By Order of the Faithfuls: Riddle This, Tom! (S3 E5 & 6)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: By Order of the Faithfuls - "Riddle This, Tom!" (S3 E5 & 6 Recap)

Date: November 28, 2025
Hosts: Wells, Tamra Judge, Dolores Catania
(Note: Teddi is not present; Wells moderates with Tamra & Dolores)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into episodes 5 and 6 of the reality competition series The Traitors (USA), giving an insider's breakdown on the evolving strategies, betrayals, and intense gameplay as the cast navigates the paranoia of life inside the castle. Tamra Judge (from RHOC), Dolores Catania (from RHONJ), and Wells discuss the fallout from Bob the Drag Queen's banishment, the rising tension among the traitors, riddle-based challenges and alliances, and the drama erupting at the roundtable. The pod's tone blends light-hearted roasting with sharp social commentary and empathy toward the players’ emotional journeys.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Traitors in Turmoil: Why Bob the Drag Queen Had to Go

• Immediate Fallout: The episode picks up after Bob the Drag Queen’s banishment, analyzing why Boston Rob targeted him.
• Motivations Questioned: Dolores and Tamra both reject the idea that Rob felt threatened by Bob. Rather, Rob wanted “control in that turret” and saw Bob as a threat to that dominance (06:01, Wells).
• Trust Issues: Carolyn and Danielle immediately react with distrust and fear after Rob’s power move, marking the “beginning of the demise”—the moment trust is broken among the traitors (07:33, Tamra Judge).

2. Castle Conditions & Player Fatigue

• Physical/Emotional Strain: Dolores and Tamra highlight the chaos and lengthy, exhausting battles in the turret. “They don’t even get back to their room ‘til like one o’clock… [and] have to be up at 6” (04:47, Dolores).
• Player Resentment: “I don’t ever want to be a traitor…. Unless you could sleep at the castle” (04:49, Dolores & Tamra).

3. The Riddle Mission & Tom Sandoval: Harry Potter Delusions

• Tom’s “Tom Riddle” Moment: The crew ribs Tom Sandoval’s confidence in his riddle skills due to his love for Harry Potter (aka Tom Riddle = Voldemort). “He was so proud to say it!” (08:36, Tamra Judge), but “he got everything wrong. It was very satisfying.” (08:42, Dolores).
• Gabby’s Callout: Gabby bluntly tells Tom, “you’re chaotic and the traitors love it.” The table (and hosts) agree: “His theories make no sense… No one believes that Tom has any good ideas.” (08:53–09:06).

4. Strategic Shields and Emotional Play

• Danielle's Gifting Shields: Dolores explains Danielle’s repeated gestures of handing her riddle-earned shields, making her a non-suspect (“I was her shield. I was protecting her… She swore on her kids to me. How can I vote for someone who swore on their kids?” 11:23, Dolores).
• Suspicion Grows: Tamra notes that when Danielle starts breaking down in tears, “everyone’s mind kind of turned… This is very, very suspicious.” (10:38, Wells).

5. Paranoia & Alliances Crumble

• Name-Throwing: Chrishell accuses Nikki of being a traitor due to a look—“the coffin theory”—and even close friends turn on each other, revealing the depths of paranoia (12:23–12:56, Tamra Judge & Dolores).
• Painful Banishment: Nikki is ultimately voted out after an emotional roundtable and heartfelt exit speech. “Don’t judge people by the way they act here” (13:28–14:41, Tamra on Nikki).

6. Traders' Dysfunction and Emotional Strategy

• Constant Infighting: The traitors (especially Carolyn and Danielle) can’t unite, and Boston Rob is left the lone voice urging teamwork (19:02).
• Dolores on Gameplay: “The traitors were voting emotionally instead of the right way to like gameplay” after killing off Bob H, who was Dolores’s confidant (20:35).

7. Boston Rob’s Dominance & Manipulation

• Rob’s Social Strategy: The hosts repeatedly praise Rob’s mastery at shifting suspicion away from himself and targeting alpha personalities. “Anyone that poses a threat in terms of being an Alpha, he goes after” (22:35, Wells).
• Derek’s Paranoia: Derek accurately predicts his own fate—“If I get killed, it’s Boston Rob. I’m setting it up. I’m letting you know” (23:15, Tamra recounting Derek).

8. Brutal Roundtable Showdowns

• Chaos Unleashed: Wes makes a strong case against Boston Rob but undercuts himself by threatening other players (“If you vote for me, I’m gonna come after you!”), which the group agrees led to his “demise” (30:54–31:21).
• Post-Roundtable Fallout: Players are stunned by Wes’s heated exit. Dolores reflects, “He shouldn’t have been mad at everyone because he was his own demise… charismatically, Boston Rob beat him” (32:10–32:54).

9. Producers Relish the Drama

• Behind the Scenes: Tamra reveals, “Production loved the drama in the turret so much. They didn’t care what happened at the roundtable. They were more excited [about] what was going on in the turret” (34:28).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Traitors Turning on Each Other:
  • “Evil can never stay with evil. They will turn on each other.” — Dolores (quoting her mother Valerie, 03:52)
• On Castle Conditions:
  • “Cold, haunted, for sure.” — Wells (05:03)
  • “I don’t even care about haunted. I hate being cold. It’s not the dead I’m worried about, ever.” — Tamra (05:06)
• On Tom Sandoval’s Harry Potter Logic:
  • “He’s channeling Tom Riddle, which is hilarious, because that’s Voldemort who is the most hated man in all of… Well, that tracks!” — Wells (08:08)
  • “He was so proud to say it. But then he got everything wrong. It was very satisfying.” — Dolores (08:42)
• On Danielle’s Shield Gifting:
  • “If someone does me a favor, in the slightest thing, I feel like I owe them my actual life…[Danielle] kept giving me her shields, and she was very good at the riddles… I never forget it.” — Dolores (09:35)
• On Nikki’s Exit:
  • “She turned to him and she said, I don’t know how to speak like you, so I’m not good at sticking up for myself. And that’s why her exit speech was… so good. She was like, don’t judge people by the way they act here.” — Tamra (14:41)
• On Wes's Downfall:
  • “He has one slip up where he says, if you vote for me, I’m gonna come after you — threatening people… That was his demise.” — Wells (30:54–31:20)
  • “[Wes’s exit speech:] ‘I’m smart, I’m the bestest, I’m the best looking, I’m the smartest, I’m the best competition reality star out there. F you guys.’” — Dolores & Tamra (31:47–31:57)
• On Producers’ Preferences:
  • “Production loved the drama in the torrid so much, they didn’t care what happened at the round table. They were more excited what was going on in the torrent.” — Tamra (34:28)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:10–08:00: Opening reflections, post-Bob’s banishment, traitor infighting
• 08:00–10:30: Riddle mission, Tom Sandoval’s “Tom Riddle” moment
• 10:30–12:00: Danielle’s shield gifting and rising suspicion
• 12:00–14:30: Chrishell, Nikki, and the emotional roundtable leading to Nikki's banishment
• 17:54–19:00: Danielle’s duplicity and Carolyn’s emotional turmoil
• 20:10–22:30: Bob H’s murder, traitor’s emotional votes, Boston Rob’s manipulation
• 29:21–31:54: Wes’s fatal roundtable speech and exit
• 32:54–34:49: Roundtable and turret aftermath, production notes

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Final Thoughts

The episode delivers a well-rounded analysis of episodes 5 and 6, highlighting both the gameplay mechanics and the layered emotional toll on everyone involved. From Tom Sandoval's blundering confidence to the traders' self-sabotaging moves, and the poignant banishments of big personalities, Tamra, Dolores, and Wells balance laughs with genuine empathy—making this recap a must-listen for reality TV strategists and fans alike.

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Transcript

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[Wells]

All right welcome in another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. Going over episode five and six today, I'm Wells. I'm alongside Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. Ladies, how we doing?

[Tamara Judge]

Hi.

[Dolores Catania]

Good morning.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, it's a good episode episode and I'm so excited to talk about it.

[Dolores Catania]

Is it weird for you guys to re. Watch it?

[Tamara Judge]

It is. I get like butterflies.

[Wells]

It's just so much chaos in this turret.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, I mean, the traders are too busy fighting among. Yeah, they're so busy fighting amongst themselves, it's crazy. They should be working together. No idea this was going on?

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[Tamara Judge]

No clue. And like my mother said before I left, who knows nothing, she goes, dolores, evil can never stay with evil. They will turn on each other.

[Dolores Catania]

Valerie, that explains a lot of people. I know, right?

[Tamara Judge]

So Valerie, who never finished high school, my mother, who's never read a book or been on a plane or a train, knew what was going on before I left. If we ever. If you ever need advice, call Valerie.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, or you.

[Tamara Judge]

So that tour, it's getting really heated. It is on fire. Looks really cold and wet. Always.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Wells]

Yeah. And you can tell that they're in there for a lot longer than they are showing on tv. Like, you can tell, like they're in there fighting for hours on end.

[Dolores Catania]

How long do you think they're up there?

[Tamara Judge]

They said a couple hours.

[Wells]

I can see it being late.

[Dolores Catania]

So they don't even get back to their room till like one o'.

[Wells]

Clock.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. No.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, and then they have to be up at 6 to get. Oh, God. I don't ever want to be. I don't ever want to trade her. No.

[Tamara Judge]

I never want to. Unless.

[Dolores Catania]

You could sleep at the castle. That would be nice.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't want to sleep in that cold place.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Wells]

Cold, haunted, for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't even care about haunted. I hate being cold. It's not the dead I'm worried about, ever. That's for sure.

[Wells]

Let's get into this episode. So here's how it starts. You know, they meet in the turret after Bob the Drag Queen's banishment. Why do you think that Austin Robb wanted to get Bob the Drag Queen out so badly? I mean, he uses this excuse of. Well, he called me out, he said one of the three people from the cage, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

That wasn't it.

[Dolores Catania]

That wasn't it.

[Wells]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

Was it a personal or was he. He's threatened by him.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think he was threatened by anyone. Boston Rob. I think that it was just he was starting to pick them Off. And he was the easiest one to go because he was too forceful in the turret. And. And he heard his name getting thrown around, so that was his one shot to do it.

[Wells]

I mean, I think. I think he wanted control in that turret, and he. And I think he thought that as long as Bob the Drag Queen was in there, he would not have control.

[Dolores Catania]

That makes sense.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And. And it was the right move. Just like he's a master poker player. He knows his moves, and he's smart, so he just. Listen, it was a big chance. He put a target on his back for doing it, but he also gained a lot of trust of the faithfuls. Other faithfuls. Like, wow, look what he did. But in the meantime, Dylan was the one who went for him first. But no one listened to Dylan because his voice was not as loud as Rob's.

[Wells]

Yeah. And Rob made a really good argument at the round table. But, you know, it's interesting in hindsight's 20 20, but west clocks, you know, Boston Rob, after that, talking to. I think it was Ivar and someone else being like, you know, what's. What's the only way you can know for certain that someone's a traitor, and that is if you are also a trader.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Wells]

And, you know, that was kind of the beginning of the downfall of Wes, and we'll get to that at some point. You know, it's. It's at this moment that I'm surprised that Carolyn and Danielle couldn't come together to form kind of an alliance to get Boston Rob out, because they both were very scared, obviously, after he did what he did. But unfortunately, their relationship seems to go the exact opposite direction.

[Tamara Judge]

By the way, they never wanted him in the turret. Neither one of them. They both knew the minute he showed up, it was trouble for them. I don't think that Bob the Drag Queen knew what trouble it was when Boston Rob walked in, but Carolyn and Danielle knew it. But now there's a lack of trust among everybody. See, once that trust is broken, it's. It's pretty much the demise. The beginning of the demise, just like any relationship.

[Wells]

Yeah, the mission's pretty interesting. I. I'm really good at riddles, so I'm sad that I wasn't on the show for when this happen. So you guys go into the church. I think one of my favorite things, and I'm sure, Dolores, you love this, is that Tom Sandoval feels very confident in riddles because he reads Harry Potter, which is a children's book, and that he. He's channeling Tom Riddle, which is hilarious, because that's Voldemort, who is the most hated man in all of. Like. Well, that tracks in all of the Harry Potter world.

[Tamara Judge]

That does attract, Tamra.

[Dolores Catania]

That attracts.

[Tamara Judge]

That was so perfect, so fitting for Tom, and he was so proud to say it.

[Dolores Catania]

But then he got everything wrong. He was talking about how good he'll be at this mission, and then he got everything wrong. It was very satisfying.

[Wells]

His theories make no sense. Gabby telling him, tom, you know why you're here. You're chaotic. And the traders love it. And he's like, I have some good ideas. And everyone's like, no, you don't.

[Tamara Judge]

I never met someone who's so unaware of how disliked they really are. Like, he's unaffected, which is fine. Whatever. Whatever.

[Dolores Catania]

But, yeah, I saw him at BravoCon, and I told him. I said, so are you presenting? He goes, they won't have me presenting anything. And I go, you need to rehab your image. Image. Maybe you can adopt some, foster some children or some animals.

[Tamara Judge]

He does do that.

[Dolores Catania]

Do something, Tom. Just do something.

[Tamara Judge]

He does rescue, but he wound up getting in a fight with his girlfriend in the hallway. If no one saw that. We'll talk about that later. Yeah. But this mission was very hard for me because me. If someone does me a favor, in the slightest thing, I feel like I owe them my actual life, like, for the rest of my. I never forget it. And Danielle. At the breakfast table when Robin was killed that morning, I looked at Danielle and I said, I'm next. I know it. Cause I was the last housewife to go. And she made it look like she was saving me because she felt bad that I had said that. And there was a target on my back, so she kept giving me her shields, and she kept jumping in. And she was very good at the riddles. And she kept giving me. The first time she gave me the shield, I was like, oh, that's nice. Still uncomfortable with it. Don't like receiving things, but insisted on giving it to me all the time through that.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And then I felt like, if she gets killed tonight, I'm gonna throw up.

[Wells]

Yeah, but you clocked it being suspicious. At some point, she starts crying, and you were like, I didn't ask you for this. You don't. You don't have.

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[Wells]

You don't have to be doing this. And I feel like it was the second that you said that, everyone's mind kind of turned and was like, hold on. This is very, very suspicious.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't like criers.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, there was one moment where everybody was crying. I think it was at the end of the round table. Everyone's crying except for you, Dolores. You're like, ah, no big deal. I'm like, let's see if she cries. No, no, not one tear.

[Wells]

It seemed like everyone started to like, look at Danielle a little bit differently after that from the show. Did it feel that way in that church?

[Tamara Judge]

It did because nobody could figure out what she was doing. But she was really. I was her shield. I was protecting her because like I said, moving forward, like, she. She swore on her kids to me. How can I vote for someone who swore on their kids? I didn't know the gamer life. Did you, Tamara? I didn't know.

[Dolores Catania]

No, of course.

[Tamara Judge]

And Carolyn said it wasn't fair to me because Carolyn said the other day, she's like, you don't know our life, Dolores. You don't know that we do those things to people that don't know better, which I didn't.

[Wells]

So, yeah, Danielle starts going against her own, which is weird. She's pushing the. Carolyn's a traitor and people are having a hard time believing or this is kind of when I was like, I feel like the Traders are making the worst moves ever. When I was watching it back originally. And then you have Chrishell thinking that Nikki's a traitor because of like some look she gave, but she's conflicted because it's one of her best friends in the game.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it was like the coffin theory.

[Dolores Catania]

That's why she thought she was a traitor, which I think is really ridiculous. They're overthinking it at that point.

[Tamara Judge]

And it was in that moment that when I saw the Bambi's both of them turn on Nikki, I realized that this is different life. That was the first time because they turned on a very close friend of theirs and I'm like, oh, is that how we do this? I never expected them to turn on her. I felt so bad. I also voted for her.

[Dolores Catania]

You didn't feel bad enough to cry?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I didn't.

[Wells]

I guess we can fast forward to it, but you know, Nikki ends up getting voted out even though kind of Ivor throws out Rob's kind of like trail of lies. But Chrishell seems like she's the one who kind of like drove the death nail into. Into Nikki's coffin. She had a great exit speech. It seemed like that was a really hard one for all you faithfuls to stomach after you got rid of especially Chris Shaw.

[Tamara Judge]

She.

[Dolores Catania]

You could tell she felt so.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, here's the thing. You don't know what somebody's actually going through in their life. And here we are, we're sitting at this roundtable and we're judging people by what we see their Persona on. I mean, like, she beats people up for a living, she body slams them. She's a performer in, you know, the wwe. And she, she does all this. Did I say it right? WWE sounds good. Yeah. And so she's a performer and she was very docile in the castle and I think she was going through a lot at home too. She was also worried about her son and people judged her by being different there. Right. And Wes kept coming for her and he of course knew how to talk. He had a good argument and she turned to him and she said, I don't know how to speak like you, so I'm not good at sticking up for myself. And that's why her exit speech was. I was so proud of her for that because it was so good. She was like, don't judge people by the way they act here.

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[Wells]

After the roundtable. Chrishell, Gabby, Sierra, they're all crying because they made they stiffed their friend move and they, yeah, they, they screwed their friend over and they were kind of the ones who did it. And then Dylan tells Carolyn that Danielle's putting her name out there. I do you guys feel a little bad for Carolyn? I like, I watch it. I'm like, I feel so bad for you. Like, and you shouldn't feel bad for a trader. But it's like this poor girl is like every single day Danielle is putting my name out there and in the church. She's telling me that she's going to try to rehab, make it right.

[Tamara Judge]

She's gonna make it right tomorrow. I'll make it right. Tomorrow's new day. Danielle was a good liar.

[Dolores Catania]

Very good liar.

[Tamara Judge]

And I did feel bad for Carolyn when I watched it, but we didn't know that was going on then.

[Wells]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. The traders meet the turret. Carolyn calls out Danielle for trying to get her banished. Danielle denies it. Rob tries to remind it's not good. When Rob Is like the level headed one in the turret. He's like, hey, guys, we need to work together.

[Tamara Judge]

We're on the same team. Yeah.

[Wells]

God. Carolyn doesn't trust anyone, which I don't. I'm not surprised. And I agree with her. And the only one that she wants to actually murder are the two of them, which is great television. Danielle says they're like family and tells Carolyn she'll make things right tomorrow. It's amazing fast forwarding that she does not try to make things right at all. Or at least even like pretend to do it.

[Tamara Judge]

Nope. She did the same thing the next day. I wonder how they feel about each other now. I think Carolyn had a lot to say to people when she left. Let me tell you.

[Wells]

Yeah, I imagine they aren't very close, you think?

[Tamara Judge]

I'd say, yeah. And I'd like to know how Brittany and Danielle are, but we'll get to that down the road.

[Wells]

I'm friendly with all these traders, but I was pretty critical when we were watching the show originally that, like, I felt like they were bad traders. They were just like constantly making bad moves. They weren't pinning things on people to, to, to draw the eyes.

[Dolores Catania]

They weren't working together.

[Wells]

They weren't. They were. I just feel like they were bad traders. And they decide to kick out Bob H. Which I felt made no sense. One, because I liked Bob H. But two, like, I don't know who that. All it does is put suspicion back on Boston Rob because Bob H. Was one of the people who called him out.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he didn't. Well, Bob H. Didn't love Boston Rob. Like, he just didn't. They didn't click personality wise. I think at one point at the roundtable, he called it toxic masculinity. I remember he said that. But Bob H. Was my confidant. He sat next to me. Him and I were. We trusted each other. And when he left, I'll tell you, that knocked me for a loop because now I'm alone there. So that really, really sucked. And I think the traitors were voting emotionally instead of the right way to like gameplay.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, they should have just murdered Sam. He's just kind of a waste of space.

[Tamara Judge]

No, murdered Sam. But then he wasn't doing anything until the end. He kept his mouth shut until the.

[Dolores Catania]

End because he just was just there. Just, you'll see, doing nothing but taking baths and soaping his body up, you know, at breakfast.

[Wells]

You know, Derek, you know, is like, hey, listen, if Boston Rob come back, comes back in, he's definitely a Traitor. Because they would have murdered him after what he did to Bob the Drag Queen. Which I think was a really good theory.

[Tamara Judge]

It was a great theory.

[Wells]

I'm just amazed that Boston Rob's able to talk himself out of all these little predicaments that he puts himself in.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a gift.

[Wells]

He's so, so good. Good at it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, he is so good. He's confident in himself. He's a Boston Italian guy. Of course he could talk his way out of things.

[Dolores Catania]

He must make a killing playing poker.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's a good part of his living.

[Dolores Catania]

That's, you know, Trishell, in our show my season, she. She won. She was also like, I think, what was it? Survivor Poker player.

[Tamara Judge]

Really?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Wells]

The more I watch Boston Rob, the more I think about. I think. And he might not even be even been doing this consciously. This might have been a subconscious thing. But anyone that poses a threat in terms of, like, being an Alpha, he goes after. And I think that that was Bob a drag queen. And then his now sights are honed in on, I think the other alpha of the house in terms of gameplay and just maybe, like, smarts and stuff is Wes. And then he is laser focused on Wes. And it's just like, I wish I had been there to be like. It's interesting that you're always going after the really big personalities.

[Tamara Judge]

And then Derek. Derek was also a target because Derek and Derek knew it. I was walking into the breakfast room and Derek goes, I'm not making it to breakfast. And I'm like, no, don't tell me that. And he didn't. He knew. He knew because he was calling. He said, if I get killed, it's this. It's Boston Rob. I'm setting it up. I'm letting you know.

[Wells]

Yeah, he was right. The mission seemed like it was pretty fun. You guys all decided to go get shields instead of get the gunpowder at first because everyone is super paranoid. This is my question about that. This is a more of a production question. Did you guys get that done in 30 minutes or did they give you a little extra time?

[Tamara Judge]

No, got it done.

[Dolores Catania]

Really?

[Tamara Judge]

Really. It was hard. It was so hard. I was carrying two buckets at a time. We were running. It was hard. Boston Rob was soaking wet. They fell into the stream and it was soaking wet. Cold. Crazy.

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[Wells]

Back at the castle, a lot of stuff is happening. I, I feel like they've allowed you guys to talk so much more between the mission and the round table. I mean, you've got Carolyn planting Danielle's name to get revenge. You've got Chrishell warning Rob that his name's being thrown out. Danielle pretends she knows nothing about it. For you, Dolores, what was, what was happening in that moment? Were you a part of any of these conversations? Who everyone was thinking was a traitor?

[Tamara Judge]

I was. And Danielle's name didn't come up. Boston Rob's name was definitely getting thrown around, but he had his eye on whoever was saying it. Like, once Iver told him Wes was coming for him, Wes was somebody people really listened to. Derek also. So they were very smart. Derek and Wes was at the helm of leading the packs of who was really going to go next. And that's why they had to go.

[Wells]

Yeah, I think this was the best roundtable you've had this season, except for the start of it. And I felt bad for you, Dolores, because you got once again, like, stuck in the Tom Sandoval web of idiocracy, which is like, what happened to me. I remember when, the night that I was gonna be banished, he wouldn't stop talking about Chrishell and I was like, shut up. No one believes that Chrishell is a traitor. Can we get back to the fact that. And that's what happened to you? And you could tell everyone in the room's like, okay, shut up, Tom.

[Tamara Judge]

That went on.

[Wells]

The adults didn't talk.

[Tamara Judge]

Now they cut a lot of that off out, by the way they did. They cut a lot of it out. And I loved. I, I won't say that I didn't get a little bit excited when Carolyn said last week, he's a scumbag. She's like, I was nice to him. And she's like, and she always use our hands. I was nice to him. And then he turned out to be a real jerk. And yeah, I loved her for that. I love her even more now. Carolyn.

[Dolores Catania]

I think the producers did too, because all the close ups of him, Tom tweaking out and the close up shots of him eating and all that stuff, it's like, what is going on here?

[Wells]

I know he does eat like, you know, like a dog that doesn't think they're gonna get fed again.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, he hasn't eaten in a long time.

[Wells]

Gotta eat this really quickly before anyone comes in here and tries to eat my food.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Crazy.

[Wells]

So this, this round table was insane, right? So it was. Derek puts his case out for Rob. It's really well thought out. Rob then has a really good defense and is able to pivot and change the direction of the energy towards Wes as being a traitor. Then Wes makes, I think, an amazing case against Boston Rob, but he has one slip up where he says, if you vote for me, I'm gonna come after you threatening people.

[Dolores Catania]

Rob really lucked out.

[Wells]

Not like that.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Rob lucked out when he said that.

[Wells]

Yeah. And that just changed the. Change the tide. But, you know, that's. It's so funny because that's a part of the show.

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[Wells]

Everyone got emotional, you know, and like, you. You have to not get emotional. You have to. To try to stay analytical. But the second he did that, people are like, I don't even care if you're a trader Fu. Don't threaten me. And that was.

[Dolores Catania]

That was his demise.

[Wells]

Death nail.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what it was. A hundred percent.

[Dolores Catania]

He was too aggressive.

[Tamara Judge]

He was.

[Dolores Catania]

He was even all the way down to the end.

[Wells]

Yeah, he had. I. I gotta say, I gotta say, I'm just a fan of Wes because I like the challenge and whatever. I think he's fun to watch on. On that show. I do love his exit speech of like, I'm smart, I'm the bestest, I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

The best looking, I'm the smartest.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm the best competition reality star out there.

[Tamara Judge]

Like that.

[Dolores Catania]

And at the end, he's all, F you guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells]

Then just flip a bird, walk on out of there. What was the feeling like after that roundtable, Dolores? Was it like, okay, obviously Rob the traitor, or what were you guys thinking?

[Tamara Judge]

We were just. At that point, we were still in shock that from his exit speech because it was so heated. We weren't used to somebody like speaking like that. It was stupid. It's almost like he was. He shouldn't have been mad at everyone because he was his own demise. It was almost like he felt like I could talk like this because of who I am. But he wasn't good at gaining the trust. And charismatically, Boston Rob beat him. You know, he. I think what he didn't realize was he's. Wes is talking to people that aren't gamers, so he needed to win them over in a different way. And he couldn't he couldn't figure out how to do that. And Rob figured out how to do that.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I love Wes and Derek basically telling Tom to shut up his dumb theories. Anytime anybody goes against Tom, I just like, yes, yes.

[Wells]

Just let the adults talk.

[Dolores Catania]

Now, Tom, just sit down. Calm your.

[Tamara Judge]

Derek was very frustrated with our voting. Very frustrated. They're like, we're handing this to you on a silver platter. You don't understand. But again, I don't think they can actually comprehend the fact that they were talking to people that just didn't know how to play the game.

[Dolores Catania]

But do you think that they would have voted for Rob if Wes didn't have that stupid speech where he said, you know, I'll go after all of you.

[Tamara Judge]

It was very close. Yeah. Yeah. That's what was going. It was going towards that.

[Dolores Catania]

I just don't see any way that Boston Rob survives another roundtable.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we'll see.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I almost watched the next episode, and I'm like, nope, I'm gonna hold on.

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[Dolores Catania]

I know, because I don't remember what happened.

[Tamara Judge]

It's a good one.

[Wells]

Yeah. Well, it ends with, you know, them all meeting the tour. It's super awkward. Obviously, they're all against one another. I mean, Danielle voted for Rob. Carolyn voted for Danielle voted for West. It's amazing. Like, it would be so fun to be faithful at that moment and know that that's what was happening in the turret. And, yeah, I guess we'll see if they're able to mend these fences and come together in solidarity in the turret, but I have a feeling that they're not.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Here's the thing that the backstory on this is production loved the drama in the roundtable. There was more. I mean, the drama in the torrid Production loved the drama in the torrid so much. They didn't care what happened.

[Dolores Catania]

It was a good twist. It's not normally like that on these shows.

[Tamara Judge]

They didn't even care what happened at the round table. They were more excited what was going on in the torrent.

[Wells]

So, Yep. All right. Those are the two episodes that we are recapping this week, 5 and 6. Next week, we'll be back with 7 and 8. We're coming to a close here of this season and inching towards season four of the Traders. It's gonna be a lot of fun. If you guys aren't following us on social media, hit us up at By Order of the Faithfuls. Subscribe, like, comment all that stuff wherever you listen to the podcast and put up your tree and happy holiday.

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