By Order of the Faithfuls: That’s A Bad Freudian Slip (S3 E7 & 8)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: By Order of the Faithfuls – That’s a Bad Freudian Slip (S3 E7 & 8)

Hosts: Wells Adams & Tamra Judge
Date: December 5, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts – Two Ts In A Pod

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Episode Overview

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod dives into episodes 7 & 8 of "By Order of the Faithfuls," with hosts Wells Adams and Tamra Judge sharing their signature witty, candid recaps of the reality-competition antics. With Dolores Catania absent, Wells and Tamra break down the escalating chaos among the traitors, dramatic oustings, and iconic reality TV personalities as they rehash gameplay, strategy, and off-screen crossovers. Their inside knowledge as reality stars brings sharp, often hilarious, behind-the-scenes insight into the mechanics of reality TV and its most infamous players.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dolores’ Absence and Reality TV Crossovers

• Dolores Catania is absent, traveling for live shows with Sonja Morgan (03:14).
• Wells shares his Worst Cooks in America experience against Johnny Bananas, who later became part of "Traders" (03:32–05:23).
  • Quote: “I won it. Just so you know.” — Wells (03:32)
  • Quote: “Johnny Bananas should be on every reality show across the board.” — Tamra (05:23)
• Insight: These stories reinforce how reality TV stars’ paths continually cross, enhancing drama and alliances across franchises.

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2. The Dysfunction Among Traitors

• The discussion shifts to the show’s main roundtable: the traitors’ inability to work together, especially the feuding among Boston Rob, Danielle, and Carolyn (06:02–06:43).
  • Quote: “It is the most dysfunctional turret there’s ever been. And I, I, I dare to say will ever be.” — Wells (06:34)
• Both hosts marvel at how Rob dominates, while Danielle and Carolyn's open dislike for each other adds unpredictability.

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3. Key Game Moves and Strategy Dissection

• Boston Rob’s decision to murder Derek sparks criticism. Both hosts find it too obvious and put an even bigger target on Rob (07:01).
  • Quote: “I feel like that was such a dumb play to murder the one guy who was coming after you.” — Wells (07:01)
• Danielle’s emotional display after betraying Derek is called out as possibly over-acted (07:38–08:13).
  • Quote: “Does anyone else think this is annoying? Like, what are you doing, like, a Chihuahua? Like, shaking constantly?” — Wells (08:00)
• Tamra and Wells analyze Dylan’s strategy: is he fooled by Rob or playing along for his own survival? (09:03–11:04)

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4. The Gross-out Mission and Reality TV Resilience

• Both hosts recap the bug and snake-filled immunity mission, comparing how they and Dolores would react (11:04–12:27).
  • Quote: “This is a mission that I would have been like, thank you, but no thank you. I’m leaving. I'm not having creepy crawlers.” — Wells (11:04)
  • Quote: “There’s no way she (Dolores) would have lasted because they were throwing all kinds of shit in there and then putting snakes around. I think I would have lost it.” — Tamra (11:31)

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5. Roundtable Dynamics & Tom Sandoval’s Role

• Dylan takes center stage, redirecting suspicion from Rob to Britney, while Sam finally asserts himself in the discussion (15:41–16:17).
  • Quote: “You found your big boy voice. Now just take that damn bread out of your hair. Britney wants it back.” — Tamra (16:17)
• Rob’s skill at redirecting blame is admired, but Tamra asserts:
  • Quote: “I would never want to be married to a guy like that...he could talk his way out.” (16:44)
• Tom Sandoval’s gameplay makes him a focus for both annoyance and strategic impact (17:10–18:24).

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6. Face-to-Face Murders and Dolores’ Iconic Attitude

• The Traitors’ new twist—face-to-face murders—ramps up drama (18:24–18:47).
• Dolores’ no-nonsense attitude in her altar speech earns praise and amusement.
  • Quote: “Dolores comes across as such a lovely, sweet human being, and I. I love her very much, but she scares the shit out of me.” — Wells (18:56)

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7. Breakfast Table Tactics & The Ditzy Persona

• Sam’s “Alan’s outfit” test is called a genius move; Tamra and Wells debate the value of a “ditzy” persona, especially Carolyn’s and Tom’s adaptability (20:41–22:30).
  • Quote: “If you get really far or you were on a lot of reality TV shows, you are very smart...you're using this to your advantage for sure.” — Wells (22:30)
• Tamra notes the blurred line between real and performed personas, especially with Carolyn.

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8. Bad Behavior Rewards & Reality TV Meta-Analysis

• Both hosts reflect on how being rewarded for misbehavior warps reality stars’ self-perception (23:55–24:49).
  • Quote: “For so long they’ve been applauded for bad behavior. In their mind, they think bad behavior brings them good things.” — Wells (23:55)
  • Tamra shares her struggle to escape this cycle.

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9. Missions, Humor, and “Cheaters” Commentary

• The hosts laugh about missions involving humming backwards, doll antics, and the challenges of devising bizarre TV games (26:10–26:32).
• A memorable Freudian slip:
  • Quote: “Historically speaking, girls are better cheaters than men.” — Tom Sandoval (29:31)
  • Mocked ruthlessly by the cast and hosts for its irony given Tom’s own notorious reputation.
• Tamra quips Tom should just own being a cheater:
  • “He would be better off just going, ‘I am a cheater.’” (30:13)

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10. Voting, Suspicion, and Upcoming Twists

• Sierra is voted out in what seems like an arbitrary “someone has to go” move; both hosts felt Tom should go for morale (33:05–33:30).
• Suspicion about Danielle and Carolyn’s side meetings grows (34:09–34:20).
• The hosts discuss who they would suspect in real time, with hindsight coloring their takes.

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11. Turret Decision & Traitor Strategy

• In the turret, Danielle and Carolyn must choose whether to murder or try to recruit another faithful—a high-risk, high-reward twist (35:32–37:36).
  • Both hosts agree they wouldn't recruit Britney, suspecting ulterior motives.
  • Wells muses the smart play is always to target the players least likely to be suspected.
  • They discuss their gut feelings on who feels genuine (favoring quirky Carolyn over calculating Danielle).

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12. Looking Ahead: Return of Fan Favorites

• Anticipation for Kate and Parvati’s return—major reality TV titans—building excitement for future episodes.
  • Quote: “I do think that my TV screen is better when Kate is on it. And so I'm excited for her to return.” — Wells (39:08)
  • Tamra calls Parvati “pretty scary...like, you’re not even human. You're AI. I know it.” (39:22–39:29)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “It is the most dysfunctional turret there’s ever been.” — Wells (06:34)
• “Does anyone else think this is annoying? Like, what are you doing, like, a Chihuahua? Like, shaking constantly?” — Wells (08:00)
• “Johnny Bananas should be on every reality show across the board.” — Tamra (05:23)
• “For so long they’ve been applauded for bad behavior. In their mind, they think bad behavior brings them good things.” — Wells (23:55)
• “Historically speaking, girls are better cheaters than men. I mean, amazing Freudian slip there.” — Wells quoting Sandoval (29:31)
• “He would be better off just going, ‘I am a cheater.’” — Tamra (30:13)
• “Dolores comes across as such a lovely, sweet human being...but she scares the shit out of me.” — Wells (18:56)

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Timestamp Guide to Major Segments

• 03:14 – Dolores’ absence and Sonja crossover, Wells on Worst Cooks vs. Johnny Bananas
• 06:00–07:00 – Breakdown of traitor conflict and murder of Derek
• 08:00–09:00 – Danielle’s overacting, analysis of Dylan’s gameplay
• 11:00–12:27 – Gross-out mission: snakes, bugs, and Dolores’ (hypothetical) reaction
• 15:41–17:10 – Dylan and Sam at Roundtable, Rob's redirection skills, Tom's perceived “big head”
• 18:24–19:10 – Face-to-face murder: Dolores and her speech
• 20:41–22:30 – Breakfast test: "Alan’s outfit," Carolyn’s “ditzy” strategy
• 23:55–24:49 – Meta-analysis of being rewarded for bad behavior
• 29:31–30:13 – Tom Sandoval’s infamous Freudian slip
• 33:05–33:44 – Sierra’s ouster, confusion about vote strategy
• 35:32–37:36 – Traitors’ recruitment dilemma in the Turret; who to recruit?
• 39:08–39:29 – Anticipation for Kate and Parvati’s return

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode keeps a high-energy, irreverent tone, mixing deep reality-TV analysis with firsthand experience and playful banter. Wells and Tamra's insider status lets them see through both gameplay and persona—with no illusions about what’s real and what’s performative in the world of "By Order of the Faithfuls." Their critiques, particularly of manipulative gameplay and reality-show meta-behavior, invite listeners to see these competitions as both drama and social experiment.

Useful for fans wanting sharp, honest, and hilarious insight into reality TV’s wildest competitions and strategies—no listening required!

Transcript

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[Wells Adams]

Welcome all you faithfuls and traders. Another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells Adams alongside Tamara Judge, unfortunately, we are missing one third of our joyous, raucous band. Where is Dolores Catania?

[Tamara Judge]

Dolores is in D.C. en route to somewhere else. I don't know. This girl never stays in one place for very long. So she's doing, like, live shows with Sonja Morgan from New York.

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[Wells Adams]

You know, I did a show. I did a show with Sonia.

[Tamara Judge]

Stop it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I did Worst Cooks in America, and it was the funniest. First of all, I won it. Just so you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that like a flex? I'm not sure.

[Wells Adams]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't really. I actually got the call to, you know, like, if I was interested in it. And this was a few years ago, I think. Yeah, it seems like a couple years ago, but it didn't work out. But was it fun?

[Wells Adams]

I had the best time. And you know what's really funny? Like, how, like, worlds intertwine. I got to the finals, and you know who I was going up against in the finals?

[Tamara Judge]

Who?

[Wells Adams]

Johnny Bananas, who is on Traders.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. He's a character, right? Did you know him before that? I didn't really know him.

[Wells Adams]

I didn't. I hated him. I thought he was the most annoying person.

[Tamara Judge]

He. That's how I felt. I thought he was so arrogant. He was such an arrogant buck. Every time he talked, I would, like, shut up. And then I got. He got kicked off, obviously, immediately. And then I got to know him outside. Totally different guy.

[Wells Adams]

I like. Like, the first four episodes I did of Worst Cooks, I was like, he's so annoying. And then, like, the last five episodes, I was like, he's so good at this. Like, he's made for making reality tv. So much so that there was a season that I. That he almost came on Bachelor in Paradise. And the way that we were going to get him on the show was is I was going to bring everyone together, because normally we only have people from the Bachelor, the Bachelorette come on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And I was going to bring everyone together and be like, listen, this is one of my good friends. I'm vouching for him. He deserves to find love. Please welcome him here. And he was supposed to go do the challenge. He said he was going to try to lose the challenge so he could fly to Mexico to do the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my gosh.

[Wells Adams]

And then he ended up winning, I think that season.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Johnny Banana should be on every reality show across the board.

[Wells Adams]

He should.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, he's a guy that made a career out of reality tv.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. He's so good at it. And I do hope that he goes back to Traders at some point.

[Tamara Judge]

I think he was supposed to go back this season. Right?

[Wells Adams]

I think he's supposed to come back my season.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, your season. And he had a scheduling issue or something. Yeah, he was, he was bitter. He was a little bit bitter.

[Wells Adams]

I get that. Let's talk, let's talk about these episodes. This was a fun one. You know, it starts with a lot of tension. The turret. Rob won't tell. Danielle got a shield from his group today.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so nice that they work together so nicely. Right?

[Wells Adams]

Yes. I mean, like, you know, watching this back, can you imagine being a producer being like, these traitors hate each other.

[Tamara Judge]

Hate each other. They're freaking traitors is what they are. Like, they're, they're going up against each other. Boston Rob leads the charge constantly. The other two just sit there and just be like, okay, whatever he wants, he gets.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But also the other two girls, they hate Danielle and Carolyn hate each other.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

It is the most dysfunctional turret there's ever been. And I, I, I dare to say will ever be. I'm not sure if it'll ever be as dysfunctional.

[Tamara Judge]

I agree with you on that one. But it was entertaining, that's for sure.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. We find out Derek is murdered, and I think that Boston, I know Boston Rob. I know he's smart. I feel like that was such a dumb play to murder the one guy who was coming after you.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it put, definitely put a target on his back. And I thought, why would he do that? But then he, he went out there and said immediately, I'm being set up. I'm being set up. I mean, that was the best thing he could say. If he didn't say that, then people be like, there you go. For sure we know who did it.

[Wells Adams]

But also I'm sitting there being like, yeah, of course you're going to say that. If you're a, like, it makes sense. And I, it's never good when I start agreeing with Tom Sandoval.

[Tamara Judge]

I was going to say, I was going to say, not Tom Sandoval knowing what the hell is going on.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But then Danielle sobbing so much at breakfast. I mean, is that her acting, or did she really feel guilty because she killed Derek, her ride and die.

[Wells Adams]

Listen, I like Danielle, but, like, her shaking and crying. I'm glad that I was off the.

[Tamara Judge]

Show because I would have been theatrical.

[Wells Adams]

I wish I was on the show to be in the interview, to be like, does anyone else think this is annoying? Like, what Are you doing, like, a Chihuahua? Like, shaking constantly? What's happening? It's a game.

[Tamara Judge]

Even on her face, it's like she overly acts.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I. I'm amazed by it. Anyways, I. I was really shocked that they got rid of Derek because it seemed like it was going to be very, very obvious. I was a little surprised at Dylan's take on it. Right. Like, he is obviously aligned with Boston Rob. He says, listen, I'm not. I don't want to tell everyone that Derek was like, if I get murdered, it's definitely a Boston Rob. Um, but then he, like, kind of throws.

[Tamara Judge]

But the fact that he told Boston Rob that.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I think I would have kept that to myself and not told maybe Rob.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, like, maybe talk amongst the other people and say, like, so this.

[Wells Adams]

Is what I want to ask you this question, because this is what I'm thinking that Derek was doing. Derek was saying, I know Boston Rob's a traitor, but I'm really good friends with him and he's going to save me until the end. So I'm going to continue to play this game until the end, and then I'll get rid of him to win. Is that what you think was going on?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. Because anytime anybody pointed a finger at Rob, even indirectly, he got rid of him. He got rid of them.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know who did he. Bob the Drag Queen.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, he didn't even say his name.

[Wells Adams]

Wes. Wes.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, anybody that came. So he was starting to look obvious, and all we needed was a little Tom Sandoval and how brilliant he is.

[Wells Adams]

I know everybody know this.

[Tamara Judge]

The fact that he has Dylan fooled. Boston Rob has him fold, like.

[Wells Adams]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I think he's fooled. I think that he is like, I'm going to ride this. This Trader as long as I can.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what.

[Wells Adams]

So let me tell you what one of my game plans was that worked out so well. After the second episode, I thought for sure they were going to make Ivor a traitor. And I was 100ivers a traitor. Ice. When he took off his mask, I was like, he's a traitor. And I said in my interview, I was like, I know he's a traitor. I'm gonna be his best friend so he never murders me, and I'm gonna make it all the way to the end. And that's what I think that Dylan's doing. Go into this first Mission.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you're probably right. He's probably like deep inside, like, yeah, okay. And probably that was his way of telling. Making Boston Rob think that he's riding hard for him because he's like, listen, Derek told me, it's. I'm just letting you know, like, yeah, probably.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. This mission looks like the worst mission in the world. This is a mission that I would have been like, thank you, but no thank you. I'm leaving. I'm not having creepy crawlers. I'm not having meal worms down my shirt.

[Tamara Judge]

I wanted Dolores to be here today because the disappointment on her face. She was so mad at Chrishell when she broke hands, like immediately, like one little thing. Could you. There's no way she would have lasted because they were throwing all kinds of shit in there and then putting snakes around. I think I would have lost it if they put snake around my neck.

[Wells Adams]

Could you have done that mission? Do you think you think you could have finished it?

[Tamara Judge]

I think that in my head I would have told myself they're not going to put me in a situation where I'm going to get. You know, something's going to kill me.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So I'm going to close my eyes and what? I don't know. I don't know. But you're going to know when they put a damn snake around your neck. Yeah, that's where I probably would have lost it.

[Wells Adams]

I mean, there was like a scorpion looking thing in there. Like, no.

[Tamara Judge]

And then didn't they drop like maggots over their head? And then there's Sam over there laughing.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I might.

[Tamara Judge]

Close your mouth, dude.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, close your mouth. He was hungry. He needed some protein.

[Tamara Judge]

He needs some protein, right?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

No protein shakes allowed in Scotland.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, exactly.

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[Wells Adams]

We get to the roundtable. You know, Dylan opens it up. Dylan's kind of blossoming as a reality TV star on this show.

[Tamara Judge]

Look at him now.

[Wells Adams]

Look at him now. You know, almost, almost winning Dancing with the Stars. But he's the first to speak. And he tells everyone that Derek had this theory, but he kind of points it in Britney's direction, more so than Boston Rob. Sam, who I didn't know had vocal cords, finally speaks.

[Tamara Judge]

I, like, almost started clapping. Yay, Sammy.

[Wells Adams]

Yay.

[Tamara Judge]

You found your big boy voice.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. You've done it. Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Now just take that damn bread out of your hair. Brittany wants it back.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, Britney's back. Okay. She didn't say you could borrow it for the entire season.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, right.

[Wells Adams]

Sam finally speaks. He thinks all the evidence points to Rob. Rob turns it back on Britney. I will say that Rob did a good job of putting it back on Britney.

[Tamara Judge]

He's good at that.

[Wells Adams]

He's good, like, you know, and also.

[Tamara Judge]

I said it last week. I'll say it again. I will. I would never want to be married to a guy like that. That, yeah, he could talk his way out. You know what I mean? Like, for sure he's good.

[Wells Adams]

He's very good.

[Tamara Judge]

He's very good.

[Wells Adams]

But also I think the editing's good because I, I was like, this could go either way. And then you start seeing the votes come in and you're like, oh, no, it's, it's going towards Rob.

[Tamara Judge]

Could you imagine how big Tom's head was at the table?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

He's like, finally something in my life I got right.

[Wells Adams]

I didn't completely screw this thing up.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't, I didn't. It wasn't my fault.

[Wells Adams]

But in his defense, they've gotten rid of two traders, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Okay, so the first one was kind of Dylan and also Boston Robin. That was the self inflicted wound. And then the next one came from Thompson. You got to give Tom Sandoval, I know his flowers here.

[Tamara Judge]

Who? I'm not giving flowers to a Sierra. She was writing hard for Boston Rob. The whole theory, you know, and all that stuff. I mean, I'm sure she felt stupid afterwards.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's always hard, but like, I feel like if I was there I'd be like, you have to be a traitor. Everyone that's gone against you is in the ground right now.

[Tamara Judge]

I think at that point it was very obvious, Very obvious. But there's people like Dylan and Sierra that are just like, I'm just gonna stick by his side because he's a scary. That's why you're doing it.

[Wells Adams]

100.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

I love the way that this episode ends that you find out that the Traders will be committing the murders face to face. And so they send a bunch of people there. Each faithful walks down the aisle, says a few Clos words at the altar, and then the traitors walk down towards their next verm. And we're left with. With a cliffhanger into the next episode.

[Tamara Judge]

What you think about Dolores?

[Wells Adams]

I loved it.

[Tamara Judge]

Her speech was like, I don't give a. I'm just like, Dolores.

[Wells Adams]

Dolores comes across as such a lovely, sweet human being, and I. I love her very much, but she scares the out of me. I would not mess with her.

[Tamara Judge]

No, she's not somebody you want to cross at all.

[Wells Adams]

When she did that speech, I was.

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[Tamara Judge]

She'S had a few of those speeches on Housewives before.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, I believe it.

[Tamara Judge]

Huh. But it's so well edited down to the music. It gave me goosebumps listening to their speeches and all that. Like, it's so entertaining.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. What did you think about their kill? You know, it ends up being Chrishell. I think it makes sense, right? Like, she's. You know, Carolyn at least says the truth of, like, girl.

[Tamara Judge]

I would have gotten rid of Tom. Sorry.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Just for, like, house morale.

[Tamara Judge]

Shits and giggles. That's it. I don't. I don't know. I thought that she was, you know, playing a good game. I love her outfits and she's pretty. So why can't we get rid of Tom? That's all I'm saying.

[Wells Adams]

I don't disagree with what you're saying there, but. But also, Tom is. I mean, like Gabby says it in an earlier episode where she's like, tom, everyone knows why you're here. You're chaos. But he is the guy who got someone out. I guess so, yeah. Everyone comes to breakfast and Sam has a really good idea, actually, where he's like, hold on, what was Alan wearing? Whoever doesn't say the right thing, then we know who a traitor is.

[Public Investing Representative]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Such a good idea. Which, by the way. Wait, who.

[Tamara Judge]

Who thought about that? Who's the first one? Was it Tom that said, like, he. He started talking about his outfit and stuff?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I think so.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

It was such a good idea. Sam also said one other thing that when it happened in real time, when this was airing, made me so angry. He said, you know, I don't think the Traders are very smart. That's what he said at the. At the Breakfast table. And I'm sitting there going, that's what I. That's what I said in episode two. And you got mad at me and you banished me for saying that.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really?

[Wells Adams]

Yes. And I brought up to him. I was like, it took you seven episodes to figure it out, but I said it in episode two.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Wells Adams]

Anyways, Sam has this great idea of asking everyone, come in. So hold on. What was Alan wearing? Carolyn is having a meltdown. She doesn't know what to say.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Tom coming to her rescue.

[Wells Adams]

And then Tom doing Tom stuff. Come on, dude.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, what are you doing? But then also Tom Sandoval thinking he would be the last one to walk into breakfast. Like, I made it. And nobody cared. No one gave a. Yeah, but how?

[Wells Adams]

No one, like, smacked Tom upside the back of the head and was like, shut up.

[Tamara Judge]

I would have.

[Wells Adams]

I. I know. I was amazing. Sam was like. Anyways, it was.

[Tamara Judge]

She made it through.

[Wells Adams]

She did.

[Tamara Judge]

But, I mean, she came off. Caroline had that personality of like, I. I never know what's going on because otherwise, you know, I mean, she has that ditzy, like, I don't really fit into this world, and she can turn it on when she needs to, and it works for her.

[Wells Adams]

I've been thinking about this a lot. Everyone that goes on these reality TV shows, a lot of people use this, like, ditzy thing. But if you get really far or you were on a lot of reality TV shows, you are very smart. You figured out how to do this, and you're using this in his advantage for sure. And it's something that I didn't realize at the time, but now watching it back, I'm like, I wouldn't believe any of this from Carolyn. You're.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Wells Adams]

Very smart person.

[Tamara Judge]

See, I don't know. I. I didn't know who she was until I saw this show. So it'd be hard, like, like, is this really her or is she just. Is it act?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Like, there's a part of me that thinks that, like, Tom Sandoval is kind of an evil genius, too. Like, Machiavellian as well. Like, the things that you're doing are terrible, I guess, on a macro scale, but it's genius for the show. Vanderpump Rules was never more popular than when he did what he did.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I'll tell you, I did his podcast with him, both Toms with Teddy last year, I think it was. And he was kind of in the heat of everything. Very charming, very nice, seemed very intelligent. Like, it was like I'm like, wait, this is the same Tom. But then I'll see him out at Bravicon, and he's fighting with his girlfriend.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, a little.

[Sports Promo Announcer]

Like, they're lit.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm like, okay, he's a little.

[Wells Adams]

Messy, but he's a lot messy. I say this a lot about reality TV stars is that for so long they've. They've been applauded for bad behavior. And so in their mind, they think bad behavior brings them good things, and that's why they continue down that road. And I feel like he has fallen into that trap a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

I got stuck in that trap for a while. I'm really trying to get out of it, to be honest with you. But I was always the one that, you know, oh, do bad things. And then you get, like, praised and, you know, all that stuff.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And then the world changed. Like, nobody. Times are different now. Like, they want. They don't want to see that anymore, but I'm freaking stuck in it. Like, I can't even get out of it because the people around me, my cast are like, you know, they want. I don't know what they want, but it's like I just went out of this cyclone.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. You know, at Bravo Con, I saw that there was a Traders panel, and I saw that Tom Sandoval recreated this mission that they had, which is this singing backwards in the. Like, the dolls.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, God. I didn't see that at BravoCon. I feel like I missed so much see that.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, I obviously wasn't there, but I saw, like, on social media, it was very funny. Like, this is his. You know, he's a singer, quote, unquote. Right. Like, he's a cover artist. But it's very funny that he's turned this into a thing. I. I applaud him for it. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Who was it? Was it Brittany that was mimicking him in her confessionals? I was dying laughing. Like, he really thought, like, okay, I'm the only one with the singing ability.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm gonna go there. And I'm. And I mean, it was hilarious. Alan was laughing his ass off.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. Can you imagine how fun that would be to be Alan in that moment? Just.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, it would be so fun.

[Wells Adams]

I ever. Running out, getting the telephone, Alan being like, what are you doing? Go. Go back. I were just like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just here.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, humming nursery rhymes backwards. Like, where do they come up with this shit? I want to meet the people that come up with these missions because it's just genius.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, genius or crazy?

[Tamara Judge]

Crazy. Borderline, maybe right there. Right down the middle. Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Wells Adams]

There's a fine line between genius and insanity, right?

[Tamara Judge]

That's what they say.

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[Wells Adams]

Today. We get to the roundtable. Everyone seems to be holding onto this coffin theory. Sandoval. Historically speaking, girls are better cheaters than men. I mean, amazing Freudian slip there. Like you couldn't have no words.

[Tamara Judge]

They all give him. They all give him. He's like, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Vizio Representative]

I.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not what I meant to say. Yeah, that's not what I meant to say.

[Wells Adams]

That's when he said, like he said something early in the season was like, I'm the most faithful. And it was like, well.

[Tamara Judge]

How could you even say those words?

[Wells Adams]

You're literally known for being a cheater.

[Tamara Judge]

He would be better off and just going, I'm a cheater. I swear. I'm gonna let you guys all know right now. Let's get it out of the way. I am a cheater.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Because he should repeat that all the time and people might go, oh, we actually like him.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Vizio Representative]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think you would be good at humming the nursery rhymes or guessing?

[Wells Adams]

I think I'd be good at that. I think I'd be better at humming them than guessing. What about you?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think either. Yeah, I think that this is a mission. I prefer to do other. The one, you know, the ones, the bugs and snakes and like that from last week. I'd rather do this. Yeah, but I think, I mean, I don't know, we could all hum. It's not that difficult. I don't know.

[Sports Promo Announcer]

They.

[Tamara Judge]

They got every single one of them so it couldn't. Well that that hard of a mission.

[Wells Adams]

For years I've pitched this idea for a date on Bachelor in Paradise. It always gets turned down. But that doesn't mean it's not a great idea. And the idea has always been it would be funny if there was a date where they went to like Amsterdam and smoke pot and then we filmed what happens when they got stoned.

[Tamara Judge]

And like, we did that on Housewives this year.

[CarMax Representative]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

So what I was thinking of, like, for this one, it would be so funny if everyone like ate a gummy and then. Everyone would lose their mind. They.

[Tamara Judge]

Some of the girls. I didn't partake, but some of the girls were doing mushrooms and weed.

[Wells Adams]

What?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And then tv on tv and we were broke. I was painting dick, so I couldn't do that. So as bedazzling penises.

[Wells Adams]

I have so many questions.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, so many. And so we did do that. But could you imagine throwing like a game in there? They did put them in a maze. I didn't have to do this again. They went in a maze and they were on mushrooms.

[Wells Adams]

I need to watch more Housewives. I think this is fantastic.

[Tamara Judge]

I was definitely laughing my ass off when the doll starts spraying them and with water or whatever it was coming out of them right in the face. Imagine the first time that hit you in the face.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, what the.

[Wells Adams]

It's in my mouth. It's in my mouth. Is this bad? I know I'm gonna get sick.

[Tamara Judge]

Tom's humming.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And then Sam's saying, oh, terrible singer.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

He probably has no idea he's got a band and all that stuff.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Sam would know. He.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he was with a singer.

[Wells Adams]

He was. He was with a singer, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And sometimes she sings backwards.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Speaking of the other Britney, she's all, Tom. Tom's out there getting a record deal after this episode.

[Wells Adams]

For sure.

[Tamara Judge]

For sure. It's happening.

[Wells Adams]

So we get to the round table. Sandoval says this amazing thing about cheaters. Then it goes. It kind of goes towards Sierra, right. Like she's not backing down. She's trying to fight for herself. But it was a unanimous, unanimous vote against Sierra. Here's my question to you. Do you think this was more of a.

[Vizio Representative]

Of.

[Wells Adams]

We don't know who a trader is. We're just trying to get some weak. Someone has to go.

[Tamara Judge]

It went back to that whole coffin method, whatever theory. But I, I think they should went after Tom just to get rid of him just because he bugs. But yeah, it just. I didn't see any reason to get rid of Sierra.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. After the round table, the guys get together in the back room. Dylan finds Danielle and Carolyn talking, which does look very, very suspicious, Right? Yeah. But the thing about it is, is that like, everyone's teaming up with other People and chatting all the time. So, like, when you're. When you're in the moment, you're just like. Well, there's just two people talking, you.

[Tamara Judge]

Know, Unless there's suspicion on you, then it just looks kind of weird, the two of you sitting in a room with the.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, a secret room at that. With the door closed.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So that to me, if I walked in on that, I'd be like, we got here. What do we got here? If you were there right now, Boston Rob's gone.

[CarMax Representative]

Who.

[Tamara Judge]

Who would you go after?

[Wells Adams]

I like to think that I would say Danielle because I would be annoyed by her acting. And I'd be like, I don't think this is good acting. I feel like it's too much and you're weirding me out.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it. I would go after either one of them, I think, but maybe because I already know that they're traitors, but either one of them.

[Wells Adams]

When I think about, like, the Nikki one, I felt bad for, I felt bad for Chrishell and Gabby, say voted for, but that was one where I was like, oh, I could totally see her being a traitor. Like, she's a huge star. We should probably have her on screen as much as humanly possible. Like, that's how my mind works of, like, I would totally be like, you're.

[Tamara Judge]

Like a producer mind.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I would just think that way. I like to think that I would say Danielle, but I don't know. I. You know, hindsight's 20 20.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But so in the turret, Danielle and Carolyn are discussing who got the shields today. When Allah knocks in the door and joins them, he gives them a choice. They can murder faithful tonight or they can forfeit the murder and try to seduce a faithful to join them.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't blame Carolyn in this one. I would not want Britney.

[Wells Adams]

I wouldn't either. I think it was. It was also two on the nose, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I. If I. Yeah, I'd be like, no, you want to bring her on and get rid of me is what you want to do. You've already proven you've, you know, voted for me and gone against me and tried to turn people against me. Hell no.

[Wells Adams]

This is what I would. Would have done because it lets you hedge your bets. So the way that this one's worded is if you. You either can accept this or you get murdered. Right. Like, it wasn't like you could turn it down.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, oh, so if they didn't accept it, they were automatically murdered. I didn't realize that. So they have to accept it.

[Wells Adams]

Exactly. So then it's. You should go for the most faithful of the faithful. Because if the most faithful of the faithful down and kill and dies.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Okay, great. It's good that we got got rid of someone who's the most faithful that no one's ever gonna vote for.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, Dolores? I'm surprised they didn't pull Dolores. Son.

[Wells Adams]

I would. I'm surprised he didn't like Dylan. I think would have been a good one too. Dylan's good, you know, because, like, no one's gonna.

[Tamara Judge]

They don't show who they bring in. Right.

[Wells Adams]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Until next week.

[Public Investing Representative]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

It ends on a cliffhanger.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought.

[Wells Adams]

But yeah, like. Or like Tom. How great would they.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Either he leaves or he turns into the thing that he does.

[Tamara Judge]

Could you imagine Tom as a traitor?

[Wells Adams]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

The stupid decisions that we've made.

[Wells Adams]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not buying Danielle sisterhood. I want to get to the end with you. I'm all you.

[Public Investing Representative]

Not.

[Wells Adams]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

You want to bring Britney in is what you want to do.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. Do you feel this way when I watch this back? I just feel bad for Carolyn and I know I shouldn't feel bad for a traitor, but like, I'm sitting there.

[Tamara Judge]

Being like, man, I feel worse for her than I do the other one.

[Wells Adams]

Than Danielle.

[Tamara Judge]

Danielle. Yeah, I. Danielle. Like, I don't like I look at her. I'm like, I don't trust you.

[Wells Adams]

No, I.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think Carolyn's just quirky. She's just a quirky person. I don't think that she's evil. Yeah. But are even strategic. I think she's just there. She's know why she's there. She's just doing it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

What show is she from?

[Wells Adams]

Big Brother.

[Tamara Judge]

Survivor.

[Wells Adams]

Big Brother or Survivor. I don't even know.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't remember Survivor.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I would think there's more skill needed in Survivor than big Brother.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But it's also just a war of attrition. Just like hanging around, you know?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

She's good at that.

[Vizio Representative]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Anyways, we're inching closer to the end of this one.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

It's been fun because it's so. It's such bad trader play to me. Like, when I watch it, I'm just like, this is crazy that these are the moves that these traders are. Are trying to pull off and not wanting to work together at all.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no. Now next week, we see Kate and Parvity return. Why didn't they call me? They didn't call Me.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, they didn't call me either.

[Tamara Judge]

Leave an everlasting impression on them.

[Wells Adams]

Well, there's always season five, you know, but you know what? I. I do think that my TV screen is better when. When Kate is on it. And so I'm. I'm excited for her to return.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, she's been on, like, almost every single season in some capacity.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. And it's always been amazing television.

[Tamara Judge]

Parvati's pretty. Pretty good player. She scared me.

[Wells Adams]

Well, she's always got the, like, snarl.

[Tamara Judge]

Always. Her headbands.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, you're not even human. You're AI. I know it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. All right, so we've got two. A couple more episodes left of this season. Make sure you are following us over on social media at by order of the faithfuls on Instagram rate, follow review, and, like, tell your friends. And.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we're gearing up for season four.

[Wells Adams]

I know. I cannot, cannot wait. And, you know, it was fun. We. You know, we had Dorinda on, and we. I asked her a lot of questions about what was going on. She didn't answer.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm friends with her. I've been friends with her for years. She won't tell me.

[Wells Adams]

That makes me think it's really good.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she goes far is what I think.

[Wells Adams]

I think so, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe all the way. I'm not sure.

[Wells Adams]

I hope she wins.

[Tamara Judge]

But her first. Her first season she was on, you know, she. Obviously this season, she got kicked off early. Yeah, I didn't know that either.

[Vizio Representative]

Oh, really?

[Tamara Judge]

Not. No. Nope, nope.

[Wells Adams]

I did because I was the person who kicked off after, and I had to do Etsy interviews with her. All right, guys, thanks so much for listening to my order of the faithfuls. We'll be back again very, very soon with more talk of everything in the turret. See you guys.

[Vizio Representative]

Bye.

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