By Order of the Faithfuls: The Hunted Housewife w/ Caroline Stanbury

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: By Order of the Faithfuls: The Hunted Housewife w/ Caroline Stanbury

Release Date: January 18, 2026
Guest: Caroline Stanbury
Hosts: Tamra Judge, Teddi Mellencamp (absent in this episode), Dolores Catania (co-hosting), Wells Adams (host/moderator)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Tamra Judge and fellow Housewives alum Dolores Catania team up with host Wells Adams for an in-depth conversation with Caroline Stanbury—star of “Real Housewives of Dubai,” “Ladies of London,” and now “The Traitors US” Season 4. The discussion centers on Stanbury’s experience filming “The Traitors US,” facing tough challenges, Housewife dynamics in a game setting, behind-the-scenes moments, and reflections on life after being a Housewife.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Caroline’s Experience on “The Traitors US”

[03:22] - [08:08]

• Caroline expected her Housewives background to make “The Traitors” easy, but found the emotional and physical demands surprisingly taxing.
• Unlike Housewives, some contestants were very sensitive:
  • "I was laughing...because she kept asking me who was talking about her, and I'm like, everyone's talking about you. Everybody. That's the whole game." – Caroline Stanbury [03:48]
• She disliked the physical challenges and relied on others for help.
  • "I don't like the...challenges. I'm not a challenge person. I like people to do things for me, and I managed to find people to do it." – Caroline [04:06]
• Isolation (no phone, family, or outside communication) was unexpectedly peaceful for her.
  • "Every show, they kept doing welfare checks on my door because I never asked for anything. I was so at peace." – Caroline [04:31]
  • Dolores shared this sentiment, calling it “the most peaceful grounding experience of my life.” [04:49]
• Tamra and Wells, by contrast, “hated it” and found it stressful.

2. Challenges and Physical Toll

[05:19] - [07:55]

• Reflection on the difficulty of missions, including anecdotes about Bob Harper (fitness celebrity) ending up in the hospital during a challenge.
  • "He was on the show. He wound up in the hospital on the first challenge...this is a man who was fit his whole life." – Dolores [06:32]
• Recounting specific, grueling challenges, including running up hills carrying heavy props.
• Caroline found mental stress harder than expected.

3. Game Strategy, Housewife Dynamics, and Social Tensions

[08:50] - [12:47]

• Discussion of clashing personalities and alliances, especially around voting for Donna:
  • "I did have a little to do with Dorinda. It was about Donna because Dorinda was obsessed that none of us could vote for Donna." – Caroline [09:08]
• Lack of familiarity with the show or with other contestants made it hard to strategize initially:
  • "I binge watched it when I got there...I didn’t know a lot of the people." – Caroline [11:15]
• Early days felt more like being in school—everyone was trying to be liked.

4. Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

[10:00] - [10:58]

• Caroline was tied to a tree, blindfolded at midnight for hours as part of a challenge.
  • "It's filmed at midnight...there's a man with an ax next to you...I'm blindfolded. So after a while you just sing." – Caroline [10:13]
  • "What a life experience. Who gets to do this stuff? I'm 50 years old. I've just spent...last two hours tied to a tree. This is amazing." – Caroline [10:44]

5. Social Media and Contestant Perceptions

[17:02] - [20:44]

• Donna’s “Trader” reveal: Most suspected her due to her distance from the group.
• Michael Rappaport’s controversial presence:
  • "He came in and annoyed everyone from the moment he stepped through the castle." – Caroline [18:28]
  • "He's so obnoxious...irritating as hell. And people will be standing at the screen and wanting to throw things. But that's amazing TV." – Caroline [20:15]
• Rappaport’s disruptive energy served as a distraction and “shield” for others.

6. Game Tactics and Reflections

[21:50] - [23:20]

• Discussion of strategies: being loud/disruptive can be a tactic, intentionally or not.
• Caroline and Dolores agree many just hope to be liked, as controlling the game with a rigid strategy is almost impossible with so many variables.

7. Behind-the-Scenes & Unseen Footage

[24:45] - [26:59]

• Many moments, including Lisa Rinna physically pushing Caroline in a challenge (“Push harder, Rinna!”), were cut from the show.
  • "I was waving my hand like this and I knew she wouldn’t like it...they should show scenes at the reunion that we didn’t see." – Caroline & Dolores [25:17–26:03]

8. Food, Weight Loss, and Cast Bonding

[28:13] - [30:19]

• Dolores and Caroline swap stories about food—Caroline’s group had more indulgent options (lasagna, chips), Dolores’s had “clean” food (prosciutto, eggs, Scottish salmon).
• Arriving home, both sought comfort food immediately; Caroline had an airport egg salad.

9. Fan & Cast Reactions to Traitor Reveals

[31:32] - [33:37]

• The group almost voted Donna out on the first round, which would’ve been a show first.
• Lisa Rinna’s prowess as a “traitor” discussed:
  • “She’ll happily run me down, reverse over me just to make sure I’m gone...she’s cutthroat. She’ll do what she has to do.” – Caroline [32:28]

10. Life Beyond Housewives & Lessons Learned

[34:10] - [38:38]

• Stanbury reflects on career transitions:
  • "If the show...continued, I think it'd be very hard [to be taken off]. But I focus completely on my career and business...your eye gets taken off things you need to do [on Housewives]." – Caroline [35:02]
• Importance of not letting reality TV define your entire life and having a “Plan B.”

11. Fun “Who Would You Cast?” Segment

[38:38] - [39:58]

• Who should be on the next season of Traitors? Denise Richards, Heather Dubrow (“Miss Fancy Pants”), and Vicki Gunvalson are named as entertaining picks.
  • "Denise would be so nice in this bubble of like, what's happening to me?" – Caroline [38:48]
  • "Vicki would be funny on the challenges...she’s so clumsy." – Tamra & Caroline [39:43]

12. Upcoming Projects and Promotions

[40:09] - [41:32]

• Caroline plugs her upcoming women’s retreat in Sequoia, California (February 17-20, with Denise Richards joining).
  • "We are creating our own women's troupe. It's called Stanbury Retreat...the year of adventure, year of getting out of your comfort zone." – Caroline [40:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Housewife-skills and “The Traitors”:
  “I really thought being in Housewives, I’d find it incredibly easy...I’m not very sensitive like that. So I never asked anyone who was talking about me or anything like this.” – Caroline [03:38]
• On calm in chaos:
  “Every show, they kept doing welfare checks on my door because I never asked for anything. I was so at peace.” – Caroline [04:31]
• On Michael Rappaport:
  “He just really got under everyone’s skin. And he’s very hard to like because he picks so much on people.” – Caroline [19:17]
• On post-Housewife identity:
  “You have to have a love and a passion, just like any job. Even when you get retired, what do you do? You make sure you have a hobby...There always has to be a plan B.” – Dolores [36:06]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:22] – Filming from Dubai: Caroline’s time zone, respect for Dolores’ gameplay
• [04:31] – Welfare checks and the peacefulness of show isolation
• [05:19] – Dislike for challenges; comparing cast challenge participation
• [08:50] – Interplay and altercations with Dorinda, “butting heads” dynamics
• [10:00] – Tied to a tree at midnight, blindfolded—Caroline’s take
• [17:02] – Discussion of Donna being Traitor, group hunches, social media reactions
• [18:21] – Michael Rappaport and Yam Yam’s real-life feuds and TV impact
• [23:20] – Cast speculation on breakout stars and in-house romance
• [24:45] – Behind-the-scenes footage that didn’t make air (Lisa Rinna pushing Caroline)
• [28:13] – Food differences and post-show cravings
• [31:32] – Performance of traitors, Lisa Rinna’s cutthroat approach
• [34:10] – Life after Real Housewives of Dubai, navigating show exits
• [38:38] – Dream cast for “Traders” Season 5 (Denise, Heather, Vicki)
• [40:09] – Caroline plugs Stanbury Retreat in California

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Final Takeaway

This episode is a candid, often hilarious reunion of seasoned reality stars, offering a unique behind-the-scenes look at life on “The Traitors US” through the perspective of a self-proclaimed “hunted housewife.” From drama and personality clashes to life lessons about identity and reinvention, fans of Bravo and reality competition TV get a well-rounded, insightful, and highly entertaining briefing on all things Stanbury and Housewives.

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Transcript

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, it's Jill Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams.

[Caroline Stanbury]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Caroline Stanbury]

So I'm, like, delusionally proud of my chart.

[Jill Winterstein]

Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Caroline Stanbury]

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[Wells Adams]

of the inner workings of the MSS

[Caroline Stanbury]

and how one man's ambition and mistakes

[Wells Adams]

opened its vault of secrets.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Amanda Knox]

Yes, I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Evidence has been made to fit.

[Wells Adams]

The moment you look at the whole

[Caroline Stanbury]

picture, the case collapsed.

[Amanda Knox]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Jill Winterstein]

Oh, my God. I think she might be innocent.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wells Adams]

All right, all you faithfuls and traders, welcome into another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells Adams alongside Tamara and Dolores, and we are going to be joined by another housewife. I'm going to be outnumbered in this episode today. Born and raised in London, Carolyn Stanberry now resides in Dubai with her husband, former Real Madrid soccer player, and her three children. Together, she and Sergio, her husband, own luxury apartments in Dubai, as well as a supplement company called Bust the Label. Plus, they're building a hotel in Bali, Indonesia, Very, very busy. Carolyn got her start on Bravo's former series Ladies of London from 2014 to 2017, and then returned to the network in 2022 for two seasons of the Real Housewives of Dubai. And now starring, of course, in season four of the Traders us. Welcome, Caroline.

[Tamara]

Thank you so much for joining us from Dubai. What time is it there right now?

[Caroline Stanbury]

It is 9pm Okay. I think it's 9am for you, right?

[Tamara]

Yeah, well, for me it is.

[Dolores]

It's 12 o' clock for me, Carolyn, and it's way past by you. Tamara's bedtime.

[Tamara]

Yes, I'm in bed by eight.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Well, Dolores, let me just tell you something. I have a whole newfound respect for you. That show is not easy.

[Dolores]

No, it's not. Thank you. Yes, it wasn't easy. And what was the hardest part for you is what I want to know.

[Caroline Stanbury]

You know what? I really thought being in Housewives, I'd find it incredibly easy because some of them were more sensitive than others. Like, I mean, I will laugh. I was laughing with. About Tara the other day because she kept asking me who was talking about her, and I'm like, everyone's talking about you. Everybody. That's the whole game. So some people were just, you know, sensitive. And I thought, you know, because of what we do, I'm not very sensitive like that. So I never asked anyone who was talking about me or anything like this.

[Dolores]

Never.

[Caroline Stanbury]

But I just think the hard part, I mean, I don't like the. I didn't like the challenges. You know, I'm not a challenge person. I like people to do things for me, and I managed to find people to do it.

[Tamara]

Did you like to be isolated and no phone and all those things? Cause Dolores loved it. I hated it.

[Dolores]

That was the best part for me, Carolyn.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I'm surprised it was the best. Fuck.

[Dolores]

What? See, I knew me and you were alike.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes, I look alike. Every show. They kept doing welfare checks on my door because I never asked for anything. I was so at peace. They're like, would you like to speak to Sergio? I'm like, no. No. The kids. No.

[Dolores]

It was the most peaceful grounding experience of my life.

[Tamara]

You're smoking crack.

[Wells Adams]

You guys are crazy.

[Tamara]

Crazy. Me and Wells are. We're like this.

[Dolores]

I cried when I left the room.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Okay, I didn't do that. But I was just over the moon to stay in there. I. I watched every miniseries. I caught up on everything. And actually, before I'd gone into the show, I hadn't watched the show. So I binge watched the whole Thing with. While I was in there, you know,

[Wells Adams]

you said that you didn't like the challenges or the missions. Technically, you know, the kind of like, TikTok and Instagram is a buzz right now. Talking about how Donna kind of didn't seem like she was a part of the first mission with the. The rickshaws, the pulling of the rickshaws. Was she there or did she not participate in the missions?

[Caroline Stanbury]

She was there. She was there. You know, I think that was a red flag for her as well, because some people fe felt that she was just too casual about it, you know, and that she wasn't trying hard enough. I mean, but, you know, I kind of understood too. Look, she's not a gentle sort of wilting wallflower, but she is older than the group, and it wasn't an easy challenge.

[Dolores]

Well, here's the thing. Those challenges are very hard. So we have Bob Harper, who was at one time America's sweetheart. Everyone looked up to him for being the fit man. Do you know who I'm talking about, Carolyn?

[Caroline Stanbury]

No.

[Dolores]

Bob Harper was on a show called the Biggest Loser.

[Tamara]

He's the one with all the tattoos.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes, yes, yes. Oh, I know exactly who he is now.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So he was America's, like, go to for fitness at the time. He was very, very famous. And he even had these workout videos that had come out. Teresa actually became friends with him because in jail, that's what she would watch to work out. So. Yeah, so that's how they became friends, and I became friends through her with him. And then he was on the show. He wound up in the hospital on the first challenge. Now, this is a man who was fit his whole life. Yes, he did have a heart attack, but he.

[Tamara]

He does heard about this.

[Caroline Stanbury]

He.

[Wells Adams]

I don't remember that.

[Dolores]

The first challenge.

[Tamara]

Are you making this up?

[Dolores]

No, because I wanted to go. I want. I was fighting my way out of the room to go be with him.

[Caroline Stanbury]

That one was very downhill as well, with a big thing. You know, you got the. The chariot carried you away.

[Dolores]

Yeah, so it was the. And that was the first one. So we had to carry those big heads up the hill wells.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I remember that one.

[Wells Adams]

The first one was a dragon boat race, and then the second one was. Okay, so we were in the forest. So. Yeah, I wasn't in that one.

[Dolores]

Okay, so running up the hill in the tall grass with those things. He actually started to get heart palpitations and did go to the hospital. Oh, shit. Yeah. So, like the chariot one or the rickshaw, not good for everyone.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I Thought I would find it a breeze mentally, but it was, you know, just working it all up.

[Tamara]

Did you have any hesitations to do the show or were you immediately in and did you talk to Chanel?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I was in, in, in.

[Tamara]

I was really.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I went to boarding school so I was like, this will be so much fun and so different. And when you only get one chance to do something like this and actually you guys would know. It was so nice to work with people that liked me.

[Dolores]

That's the thing. Yeah, it was like, it was a fresh breath air as they say.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I know, it was like, oh my God, you're so nice.

[Tamara]

It's dumb question, but how far is Dubai from Scotland?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh my God. Dubai from Scotland. Seven, eight, nine hours.

[Tamara]

Okay, so it's quite a flight for you too.

[Caroline Stanbury]

It was. Well, it was seven hours and then, you know, you've got to get to London to there to whatever. Yeah, so it wasn't that easy. But yes, I was happy when I got there.

[Dolores]

So how was it filming with the other housewives that, you know, we all have personalities and we're very strong willed and minded. Was there any time, are we going to see any kind of type of maybe butting heads with another housewife? You don't have to say who and

[Caroline Stanbury]

what, but I did have a little to do with Dorinda. It was about Donna because Dorinda was obsessed that none of us could vote for Donna. And I was like, why? You know, she's entered a game. Everyone knows she's entered a game.

[Dolores]

She knows what she signed up for.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, she knows what she signed up for. She's fair game, you know, why did she get in there? Everyone was going to be scared of her and she kept making this thing. So we did have a bit of a run in but obviously Donna's gone now, so I don't think you're going to see that. And actually Donna had a go at me at the round table as well. But obviously you're not going to see that. So, you know, the show is filmed over many, many hours and, you know, bits make it and bits don't. And there are some very, very large characters this year.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I saw that. Yeah.

[Tamara]

I am so curious to know how long were you tied to that tree?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Quite a while. Quite a while, yeah.

[Tamara]

I couldn't even imagine I would. I'm kind of claustrophobic, so to be held down or tied down, I'd be like freaking out.

[Dolores]

It's taking my breath away. You're not claustrophobic at all.

[Caroline Stanbury]

And it is filmed. No. And it's filmed at midnight. You know, it's filmed in the midnight.

[Tamara]

What about animals? They have somebody watching over you. So. No.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah. There's an amazing man with an ax next to you. So. Yeah.

[Tamara]

Oh, that's reassuring.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes, exactly. So there was a man next to me with an axe as he would

[Tamara]

run if he's chased by a bear. And you're left there, probably.

[Caroline Stanbury]

But I mean, you've got to remember, everyone. I'm blindfolded. So after a while you just sing,

[Tamara]

oh, I forgot you were blindfolded. That's even worse.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah. And actually when you look back now, I'm like, oh, my God, what a life experience. Who gets to do this stuff? I'm like, I'm 50 years old. I've just spent like, how much. How much long? Like, you know, last two hours tied to a tree. This is amazing.

[Tamara]

Yeah. When we had Chanel on the show just recently, she said she had no idea what was going on during the game. I kind of felt the same way. I'm like, I don't understand this. Did you totally understand the game?

[Caroline Stanbury]

No, because as I said, I binge watched it when I got there. But also, I think everyone's so nice. And then you're looking around and everyone's on the best behavior. So everyone at the beginning especially. And you don't have any reference to anybody else of what their normal personality is. I didn't know a lot of the people, so, like, you know, I mean, I did notice some shifts in people, but you don't know whether it's because they've suddenly decided they don't like you anymore or, you know, they're going into a room to discuss tactics. So you just don't know what to look for. You're just more trying to get by. And it's like being in school. You want everyone to like you, so you're just like, hey, every morning. And then you kind of forget about the game and the tactic. Right.

[Dolores]

Well, that's part of the strategy.

[Tamara]

Yeah. I mean, it's a real mind.

[Dolores]

Yeah. You know, somebody said to me, there's two ways to win the game. You could win by having everyone trust you, or you could win by strategy. I didn't watch the game either. I'm not a gamer. I'm not a board game player. I've never played these things. So I. I didn't really know.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I feel like. I feel like you just. You just. Nobody expected you.

[Tamara]

No.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Because everybody loves you.

[Tamara]

Yes, Everybody loves you. It's Like Phaedra, everybody else.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

When Phaedra was on, she was like, she wasn't talking game. She was preying on people and telling them how cute they are and loving on everybody. So nobody suspected it.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah.

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[Caroline Stanbury]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16. You're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

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[Caroline Stanbury]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

[Wells Adams]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Caroline Stanbury]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Wells Adams]

The moment you look at the whole

[Caroline Stanbury]

picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it. To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Caroline Stanbury]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Dolores]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wells Adams]

Were you guys shocked to find out that Donna was in fact the secret Trader? Or was it pretty much like, we think we know that she is not faithful?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Look, I felt like Donna would be the perfect traitor.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Caroline Stanbury]

And then because everybody was so scared of her, which, again, I was like, I don't live in Dubai. That's all right. And I really liked her. But also, she is incredibly. Because she was just more difficult to get to know and have conversations with, and we didn't really know what to talk about. So, you know, I felt like she was on her own a lot and sort of distant from the group. So I think everyone kind of felt that it could be Donna straight away. And, you know, it's a shame because I would have, you know, liked to see her get into it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I think that production probably wished that she was able to stick around a little bit longer. You know, there's a lot of big personalities. You said there was a ton of big Personalities. I think that, you know, we have to ask you about, like, your perception of Michael Rappaport, and also, how fun is it to in real life watch Michael Rappaport and Yam Yum fight? Because I love watching it on my tv.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Well, I love Yam Yam. And, you know, Michael is Michael.

[Dolores]

He.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I have met him at BravoCon. I think probably all the Housewives have. And, you know, it's hard because he's such a big fan and he's like this. But I have said to him many, many times, what are you doing? And why? I couldn't understand his tactic at all. He came in and annoyed everyone from the moment he stepped through the castle.

[Dolores]

And he lasted longer than I would have expected for someone doing that.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Well, I think people just assumed he was so loud and so obnoxious that he wouldn't be. Yeah, he wouldn't be. But then I was like, why would you want to be this loud and obnoxious? But then, you know, actually what happened is he began to take everybody's eye off the game. He was a terrible faithful. If he was a faithful. And he was, you know, not a good traitor because he was like this. So we couldn't work it out as a faithful. He's horrible because we're all so distracted by him. So, you know, he just really got under everyone's skin. And he's very hard to like because he picks so much on people. Yeah, he just. Him and Yam Yam just could not sit at the breakfast table. They could not sit at the round table. They could not sit any. It was just a nightmare. And he was really affecting. Yeah, man.

[Tamara]

Actually, there was a lot of talk about just him being picked to be on Traders. A lot of, like, social media was not happy about it. They did not want him on Traders. And then it feels like as soon as he got on, he was even more obnoxious than he is on social media.

[Dolores]

He was faithful to Housewives for so many years. So I think he was really hurt when the housewives came for him out of the box. He felt he was part of the Housewives crew.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, he's definitely a mega fan. It's like he knows everything about everyone. But I think. I think you're right. He's so obnoxious and he's so loud and proud about everything and very political and all of the things that you probably shouldn't be to be on a show like this. But at the same time, I think you're right. I think he's irritating as hell. And people will be standing at the screen and wanting to throw things. But that's amazing tv.

[Tamara]

It is.

[Dolores]

He makes good. He makes really good tv. And you need that. In every single, you know, trader so far has that one annoying person or that one person that takes the, you know, a lot of the attention.

[Tamara]

It's just like that one cast member that you're like, just get rid of him because he's annoying.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But Tom Sandoval lasted that was so long. And then they're the exact same character.

[Dolores]

Thank you. Yeah.

[Tamara]

He wasn't as vocal, though. He's not as vocal as he was.

[Dolores]

You didn't see it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, he was that first round table with Tom, he wouldn't stop talking it and I, I was one getting, taking fire and I was like, can you stop talking? So, like I can defend myself. But you know, you know, I was thinking about it though. Like, there is a tactic. I don't know if Rapaport was thinking this way, but there is a tactic in being so loud and distracting. Because Traders, if you are a faithful traders, would love that because you're always distracting people and so they won't kill you because they want you to be around a continuous.

[Dolores]

Right. You're a shield. Yeah, you're an absolute shield at the round table. Now, Carolyn, do you know the game now that you've watched it, you've played it, do you kind of get it now a little more?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I get the game anyway. I just think it's like anything when you're in it, it's incredibly hard to, you know, decipher what's going on in each room. And it's just so fast moving and you're in it, I don't think you can really have a tactic and play it well. I mean, unless you are this like, you know, emotionless mastermind, which, you know, there isn't a housewife, like. Yeah, I don't think so. I think you were extremely sweet and nice and you just scooched on through because everyone exactly liked you. But I don't think it was a tactic. I really don't believe you had that planned. And I don't think anyone can plan that, you know, and looking at it

[Tamara]

now,

[Caroline Stanbury]

it's, it's, it's like Housewives, you know, when people come into Housewives and they go, I'm going to play it this way and everyone's going to be my friend. But you, you can't play a scene like that because you have six, six different women with six different opinions. Right. And even You. You can't imagine how each person is going to react to you, and that is that game. So you're right. I didn't see, like, I didn't see Rob being this vocal. Like, when I was in the house. He was like a mouse. And now I'm watching it, he's like, wow. I mean, he's amazing.

[Tamara]

Do you think that Rob's gonna be the Dylan Afron of last season? I feel like there's always, like, these breakout stars that it's either a hot girl or a hot girl.

[Dolores]

Did you see Dylan Ephron at the golden globes?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Uh, uh. I mean, look at Moira. I mean, she looks like a, you know, a comic sort of vixen. She's unbelievable. And just woke up looking like that every single morning.

[Tamara]

She's stunning. I was just, like, paused here. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Caroline Stanbury]

And even with, like, it.

[Tamara]

No makeup, nothing. Just beautiful.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Caroline Stanbury]

So those two in the house, I mean, wouldn't it be great if they had a baby?

[Dolores]

I know.

[Tamara]

Do you think there was any love connection in that house?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I do think there was a lot. I do. I do. I don't know. They knew they knew each other from before, obviously from love island. And so she was really happy to see him. Obviously. They're the same age. They were the youngest, I think. And, you know, I chose. I chose Johnny and Colton to be my wingmen who would be doing everything for me and in the tasks and all of that. And she, you know, two gay men. She chose, obviously, Rob. And I think, you know, there was a bit of flirting going on. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a show. Mad snow.

[Dolores]

Nice.

[Wells Adams]

I love that we've all been on this show and we've all watched it back, but I remember when I was watching season three back, I was like, there's a lot of stuff that is not here.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes. I'm absolutely gutted they didn't put in Lisa. Rinna pushing me on that chariot and I'm like, push harder. Because watching Rinna push me, she really was on there. And I'm going. I was waving my hand like this and I knew she wouldn't like it.

[Wells Adams]

No.

[Dolores]

Oh, she's the queen, Carolyn.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes. She would have died.

[Dolores]

She will not have that. No, she will not have that. In not showing that because you should have seen. We should have seen that 100%.

[Caroline Stanbury]

And I'd be going, push harder, Rinna. Push harder. I'm like, I'm dining out on this. And I was in the front carriage Waving. There is no Rinna pushing me. Okay. So I reckon they're going to have

[Dolores]

to do hot takes at the end. They're going to have to. They should show at every shed because the reunions aren't like housewife reunions. They're a little bit dry, let's face it. And I think that they should definitely show scenes at the reunion that we didn't see and have you guys talk about the stuff we didn't see, don't you think?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, I think that scene would have been iconic, to be honest. Rin has probably burnt it, So I really like that one. What else? I'm trying to think, as I said, you know, even like Donna Kelsey accusing me of being a traitor, I, you know, I thought that might make it at the round table because that was kind of pivotal. You know, they were saying, who do you think was a traitor? And she said, you, Caroline, and all of this. So, you know, there are a few things of my bits, but, you know, I feel like a lot. A lot of stuff got. I mean, look, there's 23 people with three episodes in already. How many people have gone?

[Dolores]

Four.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah. And I think they're introducing all the traitors. Really. The traitors are huge characters this season, so there isn't a lot. I mean, you kind of blink and you miss most of us so far.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I mean, I think everybody will get their time, so I'm looking forward to the coming episodes. It's the. Quite the buzz, Carolyn. Everyone's talking about it. They love who they chose for the Housewives to be on.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, good.

[Dolores]

I think you guys are doing a great job. You make us proud. You're right, Tamara, they're doing us proud.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Candice is amazing. Oh, my God, she's so good. So good.

[Tamara]

The last we saw you, you were up for murder tied to that tree. At that time, were you like, just, please send me home? Are you like, I'm not done yet? Because there was people like that. They're like, this is too much. Just send me home.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, no, lots of people and actually girlfriends of mine that have done it before were like, they were so over it. They're like, oh, you know, do the first couple of, you know, the first week or so and then, you know, just jump on out. Don't try. No one cares. And I was like, no, no, I'm in it. I'm not competitive, because obviously I didn't. But lazy in all the things. But I really wanted to do it. It was an experience.

[Dolores]

It is. And we're so lucky to have experienced it. And, you know, and I say all the time, I missed it when I left. It's hard to watch because I'm not there.

[Caroline Stanbury]

And I.

[Dolores]

And I was one of the best times of my life.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And the food. Let's talk about the food. How much skinnier did you come home because you already started skinny? See, I wasn't that skinny when I started. I came home skinny. But the food. We're not used to that food. It's very clean.

[Tamara]

Clean.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Are you out of here?

[Tamara]

I thought it was stung the table we had.

[Wells Adams]

We went on a different show than all of us, by the way.

[Caroline Stanbury]

We had baked farm to table. Yeah, we had, like. We had, like, lasagna and pasta for breakfast.

[Dolores]

Oh, I wish I had that.

[Caroline Stanbury]

No sandwiches and we didn't have any of that. What did you have? Farm to table.

[Dolores]

You sound like cut somebody's arm off for lasagna. We had in the morning. We had, like, briju and. And what? Eggs and things like that was projoub.

[Caroline Stanbury]

What's.

[Dolores]

Yeah, what's jujutsu? Yeah, like that. It's like that. It's kind of. It's pork, it's ham. It's the thin slices. Prosciutto. You gotta know what that.

[Tamara]

Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, prosciutto.

[Wells Adams]

Like on a charcuterie plate.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Prosciutto, ham.

[Dolores]

So there was, like, meats like that. If you were lucky, you got an egg, some chicken, dried chicken. For lunch, it was very.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Well that we all had. Yeah, but what was your dinner?

[Dolores]

Dinner would be like the same. There was never anything sloppy. Salmon, Scottish salmon. What's better than that?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I mean, we had chips. We had like.

[Dolores]

Yeah, we never had anything fried, anything. One day, all you ever.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara]

Is those little shots, those little immunity shots in the refrigerator. Everybody doing those.

[Dolores]

I came home and looked for them. It's just not the same. So I felt it was almost like a fat farm for me.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Okay, well, no, I wasn't getting that in there.

[Dolores]

So what did you see? When I came home, I got off the plane, I made my mother have spaghetti and meatballs. What was the first thing you ate when you came home?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I think I ate in the airport, actually. I went straight to Marks and I landed in London and went to Marks and Spencer's and got an egg salad sandwich.

[Wells Adams]

Airport egg salad is a bold move.

[Caroline Stanbury]

It's the best.

[Wells Adams]

Well done to you guys for getting a trader out so quickly. Like, that's the one thing that we all talk about when we go to the show for a train.

[Caroline Stanbury]

You know what's annoying?

[Wells Adams]

What's that?

[Caroline Stanbury]

We had her. We had her on the first one. Yeah, she was, she was the first one. We would have been the first show ever to get them straight out, but they changed at the last minute.

[Wells Adams]

Who did?

[Caroline Stanbury]

And, yeah, and Donna was the, Donna was the one we were all going for and we'd all agreed to go for as we went into the room, I was so confused.

[Dolores]

That would have been a first.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

What did you think about her exit speech?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I thought it was good. I thought it was good. You know, it was hard for her.

[Tamara]

Yeah. But it was kind of a shock when she like, turns and like, she's gonna walk away and she's like, you gotta traitor. And it was like.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I think we all knew, though.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

Okay.

[Wells Adams]

The other, the other Traders, though, you know, kind of famously on Dolores and I season, like, the Traders were. It was turmoil up in the turret and it seemed like it was extremely dysfunctional and they were making weird moves, whereas it didn't get along. You know, they really seem to work well together and are doing I for what I see watching a really good job. Did, did you guys suspect Lisa or Rob of being traitors?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Okay, Rob. Not at all. For a number of reasons. I just told you, he, I didn't feel that he was engaging or like, I mean, I can't read Rob at all. I, I, he was probably one of the people I spent the least time with. I, he told me a few things about himself, but at breakfast. But I didn't really get to spend a lot of time with him. Lisa, look, it's absolutely genius. Housewives, hunting housewives. So that's what seems to be happening. And, you know, I've known Lisa a very long time, over time, and she is a great villain. She, as I've said on the show, will run her grandmother down. She will happily run me down, re reverse over me and just to make sure I'm gone. So I was fully aware if, you know, once I knew or suspected or, you know, seen Lisa, you know, she's cutthroat. She'll do what she has to do and she's not going to feel sorry for you or there's, you know, why

[Dolores]

is she not a housewife anymore?

[Tamara]

She doesn't want to be.

[Caroline Stanbury]

She, I mean, she genuinely doesn't want to be. She's like, I think she'd rather poke her eyes out.

[Dolores]

Well, it's the way she went out. But she didn't ask to get Off. She didn't voluntarily leave the Housewives.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I think, though, she got a lot of hate at the end. Yeah. And I think she's happy in her life now. She's got a very different life. And, you know, she's looking after her daughter. She's in fashion and she's doing her thing, and she's still the same. She's a fabulous actress. And watching her and Candice and Rob in there, I mean, it's like they've known each other forever and they've been planning this. It's crazy.

[Dolores]

It was a very good pick of traitors.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, very good. I mean, and they're. You know what? They're all equal. They all stand together. You don't lose one of them at all. If I. If you think of anyone else in that house, I don't know if they'd be able to go head to head. And actually, Lisa responds better to men in general, so I think some women do.

[Dolores]

I do. Sometimes.

[Caroline Stanbury]

The relationship she has with Rob is great, you know, and. And Candies, but you can really see her form this sort of relationship with Rob, too.

[Tamara]

Now, you've been on multiple Bravo shows, starting off with the Ladies of London, which is coming back. And did I see you're going to make some guest appearances on that show?

[Caroline Stanbury]

No, I've been on. It's so confusing because there's Ladies of London and then there's Housewives of London.

[Tamara]

Oh, so it was Housewives of London.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes. So I've been on Housewives. I did a cameo there. And Ladies of London, I think, is dropping any minute again. But they haven't. They haven't asked me to go on. I don't think they have anyone on from the original series, which, you know, is a shame. They should. Yeah, but it's very confusing, I think, having the two shows.

[Tamara]

How's life after Real Housewives of Dubai?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Great.

[Dolores]

Great.

[Tamara]

Was there ever, like, a time where you're, like, really bummed, or is it easier when the whole show is just taken off the air so it's like, not just you?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, of course it is. I mean, if the show. If I had been taken out of the show and the show continued, I think it'd be very hard.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Caroline Stanbury]

But I think, you know, the show not being here has given me, first of all, I focus completely on my career and business over here, which has given me time because, you know, when you're in this show, your eye gets taken off the things that you need to do because you're so busy, you know, doing Glam or fighting with who's, you know, said coming for you next.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yes. And. And it's not. It doesn't. It doesn't end at the end of the day, you know, then you will get on the phone call together, then you all have to do it in the morning. Then the husbands get involved.

[Tamara]

Then you gotta be living. Yeah.

[Dolores]

It's consuming. Sure.

[Caroline Stanbury]

You know, it becomes your whole life. And I think. So whatever happens, I recognize that side. You know, whatever happens. I think this is a really good break. And it's the break that I needed when I had Ladies of London, too. And if we ever come back, I think, you know, you come back refreshed. It's good to have a break from these things and just remind yourself that this is not the real world all the time.

[Dolores]

It cannot define you. Being a housewife cannot define you, because if it does, there's an expiration date for all of us. And you have to have a love and a passion, just like any job. Even when you get retired, what do you do? You make sure you have a hobby. You make sure you have something. Plan B. There always has to be a plan B. And so many housewives make the mistake of making that their whole lives. It could be a part of your life.

[Tamara]

Career. No, nothing. The husband. Yeah. And then when the show's over, it's like, what do they do?

[Caroline Stanbury]

And that's it. If you watch people's Instagram, the show is it. All of this is it. You know, this is a small part of my life, which I really enjoy, and I'm really lucky to go be able to go in and go out, but nothing changes whether it's here or not, which is a really nice place to be. And I've managed to, like, build that for myself and also just make sure that, you know, going on. And as you said, it's like athletes or whatever, you know, you need to make sure you're secure for the rest of your life. And that's all I'm doing right now. You've built multiple businesses. I have multiple businesses. It's what. What we do.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

I love your podcast.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, thank you.

[Dolores]

I've listened to a few times. I like what you say about women's health. And of course, people want to listen to you because you're beautiful and thin and everything, but.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And you have a young husband. You know, just the things.

[Tamara]

Like, she's got all the things he

[Dolores]

kind of wants, so. And we appreciate you coming on so much because we do know you do have multiple Businesses. And you are so busy, so this was such a treat.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Tamara]

Would you. Would you consider going on Special Forces?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, my God. I don't know if I could do that.

[Tamara]

I don't think I couldn't do it.

[Caroline Stanbury]

No. Not at my age. Denise Richards rupted her breast, you know.

[Tamara]

I know. Was it Teresa that just dropped out? Did she just quit? She's like, screw this.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I mean, I didn't even want to do, like, you know, the.

[Tamara]

The missions.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, the missions here where I had to go bobbing for apples. I mean, hanging from a helicopter. No, no. I'm not sure.

[Dolores]

Being drowned. Being drowned. And are having to go through a little tunnel. Get it?

[Caroline Stanbury]

No, I think I'd rather come on an ultimate girls trip with you two. How about that?

[Dolores]

That would be great. Well, speaking of ultimate to God's ears,

[Tamara]

do you know if anybody from Dubai will be participating in the ultimate road trip that's happening for the 20th season?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I don't know. No. No idea. Maybe I am. If anyone. No idea.

[Wells Adams]

When it comes to the Bravo verse, who do you think would be really good for season five of Traders that hasn't been on the show yet?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, well, definitely Denise. Just brilliant.

[Dolores]

Oh, I want Denise on so bad, so.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Me too. I mean, she just makes me cry. Cry with laughter. She doesn't even know how funny she is. So I think Denise would be so nice in this bubble of, like, what's happening to me? So I think she'd be brilliant. And actually, I said it to her because we did a podcast together last week, and I said, you've just got to go on.

[Dolores]

I've said the same. Can we put it out there in the universe, try to get her on?

[Caroline Stanbury]

I mean, come on, Denise, Denise, Denise. Well, apparently they did ask her, and that was the year that she had signed to do Special Forces.

[Tamara]

She's kicking herself in the ass for that one. They'll have her back. They'll ask her again.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, I think she would be brilliant. And then another one. I think I'd probably love to see Miss Fancy Pants Heather.

[Tamara]

She'll never do it. She would never do it. No, I don't think so. I'm gonna say no.

[Wells Adams]

Why?

[Dolores]

I couldn't see her.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Vicky would make me laugh, too.

[Tamara]

Yeah. Vicki would be funny.

[Dolores]

Vicki would be funny on the challenges. Because she's so clumsy.

[Tamara]

Yes.

[Caroline Stanbury]

So clumsy. I mean, can you imagine? Absolutely hilarious. I wouldn't want to put your life in Vicky's hands, would you?

[Tamara]

No, no,

[Caroline Stanbury]

no. She'd Be amazing.

[Wells Adams]

Well, hey, Caroline, we want to be respectful of your time. You've got a lot of businesses. What do you want to promote?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, you can. How about my women's retreat? I'm coming to the US to Sequoia on the 17th of February, and actually, Denise Richards is coming with me. So we're going to.

[Tamara]

I want to go.

[Dolores]

When is it?

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, I would love to have you. 17th February to the 20th. We are going to these, you know, silver Airstreams and really fun. You're more than welcome if you want to come and speak.

[Dolores]

Oh, my God.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Oh, my God. It would be hilarious. You meet Denise Camping.

[Tamara]

It would be a very reality show on its own.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Can you imagine? There we go. We are creating our own women's troupe. It's called Stanbury Retreat. So it's on my Instagram. If you're interested in joining us, please click the link and come 17th of February. And weirdly, the 17th of February, girls, is the start of Year of the Horse, so the year adventure, year of getting out of your comfort zone. So I'm really excited.

[Dolores]

Carolyn, this is amazing. I want to look into it. That is so cool.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Thank you. And by the way, I'm sending you both. I'm my 50th, so.

[Tamara]

Yes, I just. I just responded to your DM.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Yeah, I got it, I got it. Okay.

[Dolores]

Oh, send me, send me.

[Caroline Stanbury]

I will. Thank you, girls.

[Dolores]

Thank you.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Good night. So nice. Thank you for having me.

[Dolores]

Always.

[Haley]

Bye.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Bye. Bye.

[Wells Adams]

All right, ladies, I've never felt more outnumbered by housewives today.

[Dolores]

Did you feel safe? We just want you to feel safe.

[Wells Adams]

I was scared. I wasn't invited to any of the parties. It's totally fine.

[Dolores]

No invitation.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Thank you guys all so much for listening to By Order of the Faithfuls. If you're not following us on social media, please do at By Order of the Faithfuls. Tell your friends. If you are a big fan of Traders Season 4, we are doing the recaps and it's something you do not want to miss. Ladies, have a lovely rest of your Sunday and we'll see you all again on Friday for our next recap.

[Dolores]

Can't wait.

[Caroline Stanbury]

Bye. It.