By Order of the Faithfuls: The Wrath of Rinna (Traitors Recap)

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Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod – By Order of the Faithfuls: The Wrath of Rinna (Traitors Recap)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode Air Date: January 24, 2026
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Episode Overview

This episode is an in-depth, energetic recap and discussion of The Traitors Season 4, Episode 6. The hosts (Wells, Dolores, and Mike—joined at times by recurring voices) dissect the latest drama, game theory, emotional moments, and memorable personalities from the show. The focus: how the game escalates after Michael’s departure, the tension between the cast, Lisa Rinna coming under fire, Ron’s emotional exit, and theorizing about what’s next—especially as the season heads for a dramatic, history-making episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Season 4’s Escalating Drama

• Initial Concerns Post-Michael: There was apprehension about sustaining drama after Michael’s exit, but the panel agrees the show has ramped up:

  • “I feel like the more the show goes on, the better it gets…Peacock, the producers, everything with Traitors, they do an amazing job.” – Dolores (03:25)

• Rising Cast Prestige: With each successful season, the notoriety and variety of cast members are increasing, even including more actors. There’s curiosity about possible future expansions.

  • “I have a feeling the next couple seasons…they’re gonna be really big names.” – Wells (04:03)

2. Would You Survive as a Traitor?

• Hilarious self-assessment from the hosts on whether they could hack it as traitors or faithfuls:
  • “She’s such a good actress, but she’s the worst liar…she might be a great faithful. She would be a terrible traitor.” – Wells, about his wife (04:24)
  • “I think I would be scared to be a traitor... I wouldn’t know what to do with my face or my hands!” – Dolores (04:38)
  • “I’d just be taking beta blockers the entire time.” – Wells (04:47)

3. Mission Talk: Haunted Cabin & Ouija Boards

• The panel recaps the “creepiest mission yet,” involving a cabin, Ouija boards, and unsettling props.
  • “That was the creepiest mission I think we’ve seen by far. By far.” – Mike (07:30)
• Dolores shares a personal story from her teens about discovering she was pregnant via a Ouija board, bringing laughs and a nostalgic touch.
  • “Ouija boards were a big deal in the 80s…It kept spelling out ‘baby’. Had no idea I was pregnant. I was 17.” – Dolores (06:34)

4. Game Dynamics: Strategy & Social Maneuvering

• The Shield Twist: Disappointment that the shields weren’t leveraged for advantage as anticipated:

  • “I was surprised…really thought somebody…was going to take the shield.” – Mike (05:00)

• Natalie’s Influence: Discussion over Natalie’s order (“If you grab a shield, you’re banished”) and the herd mentality.

  • “She’s not the boss, but everybody listened to her.” – Dolores (08:22)

• Bold Moves: Praise for Colton’s audacious gameplay, especially his direct offer to Lisa: “Protect me, I won’t go after you.”

  • “I thought it was ballsy that he did that. Lisa’s face when he asked was like…But she played it off pretty well, don’t you think?” – Dolores (10:10)
  • “It was entertaining.” – Dolores (09:40)

• Analysis of Lisa’s acting skills in real-time under accusation, and theorizing about optimal responses.

5. Roundtable Highlights: Ron’s Emotional Speech

• Ron’s Farewell: Instead of defending himself, Ron makes a heartfelt address to each castmate.
  • “It was absolutely brilliant.” – Dolores (12:43)
• Emotional reactions to Ron’s experience; conversations about social exclusion, possible neurodivergence, and sympathy for how he’s been treated.
  • “It felt like that gross thing in high school where it’s like, ‘You can’t sit with us’ every time he’d walk in a room.” – Wells (18:18)
  • “I know a hurt person. I saw it in him.” – Mike (18:28)
• Reflection on how the game is veering towards popularity contests vs. true traitor-hunting.
  • “They’re not trying to get traders out…They’re just trying to get people they don’t like out. That’s not what this game is.” – Wells (20:38)

6. Predictions & Speculation

• Who’s next for banishment or murder? The consensus leans toward Lisa or Colton in the crosshairs.

  • “Right now, it’s down to two people for this next episode. Who do you think’s going home next? Colton or Lisa?” – Wells (24:02)

• Theories on the “murder in plain sight” at the banquet—hosts debate creative ways to get someone to touch the brooch and fall victim.

  • “I would have loved to see Rob wearing the brooch.” – Dolores (25:28)
  • “Dropping it and letting someone pick it up? That’s genius.” – Mike (26:20)

• The group speculates on who the traitor team might recruit next, weighing risk versus longevity for new traitors.

7. The Housewife Factor & Future Seasons

• Discussion about how housewife drama and large personalities (like Rinna, Michael Rapaport, Bananas) elevate the show, and wish-casting for a full “all-star, big personalities season.”

  • “I want them to do a season of only characters who are known as big personalities.” – Wells (37:45)

• Hopes for a juicier, “Real Housewives”-style reunion, referencing possible off-camera beef.

  • “I have faith that this reunion will be very housewife-like.” – Dolores (36:43)

8. Favorite Entertaining Moments and Quotes

• Dolores needing a martini: “I need Dorinda to have a martini, damn it.” (38:30)
• On Rob’s “snake” gameplay: “What a snake that catches snakes.” – Mike (40:41)
• Hosts joking about “loose lips” and the potential chaos if the cast could drink at roundtable.
  • “Loose lips sink ships!” – Mike (38:26)
  • “In vino veritas. In wine, there is truth. We need them.” – Wells (38:34)
• Riffing on show host catchphrases, hyping up the next “most dramatic ever” episode.

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Most Memorable Quotes with Timestamps

• On drama post-Michael:

  “I feel like the more the show goes on, the better it gets…Peacock, the producers…everything with Traitors, they do an amazing job.”
  —Dolores (03:25)

• On Lisa as a traitor:

  “She’s such a good actress, but she’s the worst liar…she might be a great faithful. She would be a terrible traitor.”
  —Wells (04:24)

• Creepy Missions:

  “That was the creepiest mission I think we’ve seen by far. By far.”
  —Mike (07:30)

• Ouija board revelation:

  “Ouija boards were a big deal in the 80s…It kept spelling out baby. Had no idea I was pregnant. I was 17.”
  —Dolores (06:34)

• Social exclusion on the show:

  “It felt like that gross thing in high school where it’s like, ‘You can’t sit with us’ every time he’d walk in a room.”
  —Wells (18:18)

• On playing the game wrong:

  “They’re not trying to get traders out…They’re just trying to get people they don’t like out. That’s not what this game is.”
  —Wells (20:38)

• On rob and strategic self-preservation:

  “He has the social currency to say, ‘well, I voted for Lisa. If I’m a traitor, why would I have done that?’”
  —Wells (40:18)

• Housewife drama desired:

  “I have faith that this reunion will be very housewife-like.”
  —Dolores (36:43)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------| | 03:25 | Discussion of post-Michael drama, bigger casting future | | 04:38 | Would-hypothetically be a traitor/faithful—hosts self-assessment | | 06:34 | Dolores’ personal Ouija board story | | 09:40 | Colton’s big swing—proposing a deal to Lisa | | 12:43 | Ron’s emotional roundtable farewell | | 18:18 | Ron’s social exclusion, autism comment | | 20:38 | Critique of faithfuls’ flawed game strategy | | 24:02 | Predictions about Lisa vs. Colton | | 26:20 | Murder in plain sight brooch plot theories | | 34:28 | Sympathy for Ron’s exit | | 36:43 | Hopes for a feisty reunion | | 38:30 | Quips about drinking at the roundtable | | 40:41 | Rob’s game strategy and “snake” comment |

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Closing Thoughts

The panel is unanimously taken with the increased complexity and fun of this season, deeply invested in both the psychological and strategic dynamics—and, true to Housewives form, the sheer entertainment factor. The next episode is hyped as a “best in Traitors history,” with everyone eager to see if the season can top itself yet again, especially amid risky moves and potential for even greater drama.

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[Nancy Glass]

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I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Dolores]

Evidence has been made to fit.

[Wells]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Dolores]

Oh my God.

[Shar / Jo Winterstein / Jill Winterstein]

I think she might be innocent.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Wells]

All right, all you faithfuls and traders welcome into another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells alongside Dolores and Tamara. Ladies. Hey, how we doing?

[Dolores]

We're doing good.

[Mike]

How you doing?

[Dolores]

It's Friday.

[Mike]

That this week. Oh, my God. You know where I'm going tonight? The Shane Gillis concert.

[Wells]

Oh, my God. I love.

[Dolores]

I don't even know who that is.

[Mike]

He's a comedian. He's very funny.

[Wells]

He is. He's hilarious. That's. That's very, very cool. Speaking of entertaining, we finally got another episode of Traders season four in episode six. This was a juicy one. I feel like the show is really, really getting good.

[Dolores]

It's a great season. Great season. I was like we all said, kind of worried now that Michael's gone, is the drama still going to be there? But I feel like the more the show goes on, the better it gets. I mean, every. The missions are so amazing and they change things up. Like Peacock, the producers, the. Everything with traitors, they do an amazing job.

[Wells]

They have to make it better to cast the show. I think because of the success of season two and season three, and they're able to get bigger and bigger names every year. And now they're starting to get actors.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Wells]

I have a feeling like the next couple seasons is going to be. They're me really big names. It'll be very, very interesting.

[Dolores]

Let's your wife ever do it?

[Wells]

I don't know, because she. I've played mafia with her, which is like the game that shows based on. She's terrible at it. She is.

[Mike]

You don't have to be good at the game, Wells. Trust me.

[Wells]

The thing is, is that she is. She's such a good actress, but she's the worst liar. And I think it would be. She might be a great faithful. She would be a terrible traitor.

[Mike]

Yeah, most of us would be.

[Wells]

But she can cry on demand.

[Dolores]

I think I would be scared to be a traitor. I'd feel like I. I wouldn't know what to do with my face or my hands. I. Do I talk? Do I not talk? Like, I'd be so inside my head,

[Wells]

I'd just be taking beta blockers the entire time. Just trying that work. You just dead inside, you know? All right, let's get into the episode. So the traitors unable to murder last night. So everyone returned to breakfast.

[Mike]

I was surprised, actually. I really thought that somebody or one group was going to take the shield. I really did.

[Dolores]

You did?

[Mike]

I did.

[Wells]

They teased it in a way that it seemed like Colton or Dorinda might take one of the shields. I'm surprised one of the traders didn't convince other people to do it.

[Dolores]

You know, I thought maybe Colton took the shield and that's why he was back. Yeah. Yeah. But I was so nervous. Rena, she just goes overboard with the. When somebody walks in, I'm like, calm down.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

You're putting a target on yourself.

[Mike]

Well, yeah.

[Wells]

The mission is this creepy cabin in the woods thing. There's an actor screaming in the corner. Blood is oozing from walls.

[Mike]

That was scary. Oh, God.

[Dolores]

Dorinda Sc screaming like she was. Was like.

[Mike]

Then playing with Ouija board against every Catholic. That is the number one thing a Catholic cannot touch, go near anything. That is the big. That's in the Exorcist. How she got possessed. No way. I would have ran out of there. I would have quit right there.

[Wells]

And the truth of the matter is, is that castle is definitely haunted. We've all been in it. I. I definitely felt like there was some spirits there. And I know we're making a TV show, but I don't know if the ghosts know that, and if you're all of a sudden start doing Ouija board stuff.

[Mike]

Don't play with that. Don't play with that.

[Dolores]

But listen, I found out I was pregnant from a Ouija board.

[Wells]

Really?

[Dolores]

Yeah. I was 17 years old. Ouija boards were a big deal in the 80s.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And my mom or somebody bought one. And I'm playing with my mom, and it kept spelling out baby. Baby Bab had no idea I was pregnant. I was 17.

[Mike]

And.

[Dolores]

And my mom said, baby. Whose baby? And it kept pointing to me. And I mean, talk about, oh, you know, I mean. And my mom. My mom's like, what? And I found out shortly after I was pregnant.

[Wells]

You were like, ouija board. Chill out, all right? I don't want mom to know that

[Dolores]

I've been having sex.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

Right.

[Dolores]

Which makes a lot of sense.

[Mike]

So that would have been a mission. I would have played outside.

[Wells]

You'd have said, no, thank you. No.

[Mike]

Cannot do that.

[Dolores]

You'd have to do it.

[Mike]

I don't do those things. That would have been scared. If there would have been a way I could have gotten out of there. I would rather have bugs thrown on me than play with a Ouija board.

[Dolores]

That was the creepiest mission I think

[Mike]

we've seen by far. By far.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Wells]

I love getting to watch Rob's conscious conscience, like, kind of like play with him as a traitor. Right? Like, so he doesn't want to vote For Ron.

[Mike]

And does everyone like him as much as me?

[Wells]

Rob or Ron?

[Mike]

Rob.

[Dolores]

Trader Rob. I like him. I like him.

[Mike]

I mean, he's really that nice of a guy.

[Dolores]

Well, no. Look at the end of the episode, so. No.

[Mike]

Why? Because he goes after. Because he.

[Dolores]

He goes after his own kind. But one thing that was confusing to me is Natalie said, if you grab a shield, you're banished. She's not the boss, but everybody listened to her.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

I mean, everybody is up for murder. I'm like, do you think that was a smart thing to do?

[Mike]

No.

[Wells]

Think it was a smart thing for Johnny to start this, you know, group of eight faithfuls to try to get out Colton?

[Dolores]

I wasn't quite.

[Mike]

Well, yeah, sure. I think it was because, well, Colton's not a traitor, so it can't hurt him.

[Dolores]

Remind me who the eight people were.

[Mike]

Maybe you are. No one ever suspects Johnny as a trader. Did you notice that?

[Dolores]

No, never.

[Wells]

No.

[Mike]

Maura was one of them.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Were there any traders in there?

[Mike]

Candace.

[Dolores]

Candace. Okay, well, maybe not a great idea. Maura. Johnny, Tara, Candice.

[Mike]

Two traders. Two traders were in there.

[Dolores]

Way to go, Johnny.

[Wells]

I gotta say, I've seen a lot of bold plays on this show, but I'm not sure if any play has ever been this bold with Colton saying, I know you're a traitor. I'm gonna pull Lisa aside and tell her, hey, if you protect me, I won't go after you in the round.

[Mike]

We'll go to the end. You can't go to the end with a traitor. You don't win.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but did you notice the look on her face? Like, she's like, oh, I. I say one wrong word, I'm gonna be outed. Like, it's just. That would have been a very uncomfortable. I like him. I thought what he did was bold. I thought it was entertaining.

[Mike]

I think he's playing love him.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Like him or not, who cares? Like, what he's doing?

[Mike]

I think he's playing great, and I like him even more now to know that he accepted the olive branch from Michael. His comments are off, you know, on social. I know.

[Dolores]

It's like, oh, my God. His comments are off. Yeah. I don't know. I think that. I thought it was ballsy that he did that. Lisa's face when he asked was like. But she played it off pretty well, don't you think?

[Wells]

She did. I. I don't know how I. I always watch the show in two ways. Like, it being in Lisa's shoes. Like, how do you respond to something like that and, like, be convincing enough

[Mike]

to be like, oh, you got me.

[Wells]

But the other thing, like, I imagine people in the, you know, in video village watching the show, the producers being like, oh, my God. If she. Because there's a world which she's like, you got me. You want to ride this thing.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

That's what.

[Dolores]

I was almost expecting her to say that because there was like a pause there, and then it was her thinking it's her using her actress skills and she's like, okay, how am I going to maneuver through this? So she took a beat, thought about what she's going to say and then was like, I'm not a traitor. What are you talking about? What are you doing here?

[Mike]

Quite honestly, there's no other way she could have done it.

[Wells]

Could she have said something to the effect of like, I'm a faithful but I won't vote for you if you don't vote for me?

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Wells]

And then that's a way of, like, not agreeing with what he's doing but also kind of like, wink, wink, don't judge. Like, if. If I was a faithful man, I won't. You know, I'll keep my. Your name out of my mouth. I. I don't know if there's a way she could have done a better job of that.

[Dolores]

I think that's what would have been the best way to go. But in that situation, you have to think fast. I don't know what I do.

[Mike]

I don't. Line is there's no way. There was never going to be a, like, any type of thing between them, like this. This bond thing because she doesn't trust. No matter what she said, she's not going to trust him and he's not going to trust her. There was no way around it. There was nothing other than for her, I feel, to just deny it. Deny it till you die.

[Wells]

This roundtable, I think, was one of the best they've ever had. I really enjoyed it mainly because I didn't know where anyone was going to be going. It's between Ron, Colton, and Lisa. It's all kind of like neck and neck there. We have to talk about Ron's speech. You know, he thinks the writing's on the wall. He thinks he's gone. And so what he decides to do is say, you know what? Instead of, like, defending myself, I just want to go around the room and say something to you personally and let you know how I feel about you and how I like you and everything.

[Dolores]

Brilliant.

[Wells]

Absolutely brilliant.

[Mike]

You know what? It goes to show you I Don't know if he was just trying to put a guilt trip on people or what. Yes, he was, but he. His. His personality is so off compared to everyone else that he really did feel that way. I feel I believed him when he said what he felt about each one, but he never showed it.

[Wells]

Yeah.

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[Wells]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Dolores]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Wells]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Shar / Jo Winterstein / Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Wells]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Wells]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the 6th Bureau?

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer. No doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn.

[Mike]

No one had ever seen anything like that.

[Dolores]

It was unbelievable.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Dolores]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Shar / Jo Winterstein / Jill Winterstein]

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[Dolores]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Shar / Jo Winterstein / Jill Winterstein]

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[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime.

[Wells]

He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.

[Nancy Glass]

He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.

[Mike]

I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.

[Wells]

The best lie is partial truth.

[Nancy Glass]

For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wells]

I don't know if you guys saw, but on social media, I think he came out either today or yesterday saying, you know, the, the Internet told me I have autism and I guess I do or something like that, which I'm not sure if that's like a true diagnosis or, or what. But regardless, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be in Ron's corner here. I felt for him when I watched that show, very angry with the faithfuls for how they treated a guy that was just trying to play the game well. I thought his whole thing against Porsche was like a really astute, you know, evidence based. I, I, and then what I hated the most was, and we talked about this with, with Rappaport, like, I felt like the show was really like that gross thing in high school where it's like, you can't sit with us every time he'd walk in a room.

[Dolores]

Yes, yes.

[Wells]

And like, of course he's closed off. And like, not wanting to, to get close with people is because no one wants to be around him. And just my heart broke for him.

[Mike]

I don't know. I felt that way too. And I felt like the only person that was really nice to him was Rob when they were playing chess. Like, it almost like he was opening up, that he was getting to trust him, that he was like, like giving, you know, putting down his Wall. This guy had walls up everywhere. And I. I know a hurt person. I saw it in him. I would have been nice to him even if he was mean to me. I felt they were like that with Donna, too. Even though she was a traitor. I felt like they could have been a little more. Embraced her a little more.

[Wells]

Yeah. You know, it all comes down to this, really. One vote. And, yeah, it seems that Rob likes Ron better than Rob likes Lisa. Actually writes her name down.

[Mike]

And I. I felt so bad for him. I'm like, oh, well.

[Dolores]

He thought, like, Lisa's going in his mind, and he's like, and if I don't vote for her, people are going to think I'm a traitor. I get where he's coming from for sure, but that was a hard thing for him to do, and he knows it. And he's fucking.

[Wells]

He.

[Dolores]

You see him later, he's like, he ain't going in any room that Lisa's in. He's got to figure out what he's going to say. He's got some serious explaining to do.

[Mike]

But I was scared for him to go to that turret against those two housewives. Did you see Candace look at him? Like, the death look.

[Dolores]

I know. I know.

[Wells]

Yeah. You know, they're in the kitchen after this whole banishment, and, you know, she. He's in there with Candace, and then Lisa walks in and he's. She's like, you.

[Mike]

You.

[Wells]

I don't trust you. And he's like, what did you think

[Dolores]

about Ron when he said, because you don't like Michael, we don't count it. But because we love Portia, we're still on me, like, the entire.

[Mike]

So smart.

[Dolores]

I know. I don't feel like that's fair. And he had a point. Like, we. We have had to hear about Portia. Horse have been gone from the beginning. Every roundtable, they brought up Porsche. Like, in the very beginning. That happens. We're getting rid of people off of. They looked sideways.

[Mike]

Right.

[Dolores]

So it's like they just rode him so hard.

[Wells]

I've said it before, you know, in. In last season, I thought the Traders did a bad job. In this season, I think the Faithfuls are doing a bad job and they're playing a bad game. They. It's doesn't.

[Mike]

I agree with you.

[Wells]

Trying to get Traders out. They're just trying to get people they don't like out of the show. And that's why Michael Rappaport is out. That's why Ron is out. And that's not what this game is. You can be annoying, but you can still be a faithful and be annoying. And the job for the faithfuls is to get traders, not to get the non cool people out. And that's how I feel like they're playing the game.

[Mike]

That's the thing. And you only have so much time to get out traders. You only have enough round tables. You. You know, the. And the traders only have enough murders. Like, there's really no time to get your feelings about someone and. And play like that.

[Dolores]

Of course, six episodes, they've gotten one traitor out of four. I worry that Lisa's gonna be next.

[Mike]

I feel like she's next. I do.

[Wells]

Yeah. I mean. And so I guess the faithfuls have. They've got a good route to go down. Right. So if, you know, Lisa was up for banishment, Ron was up for banishment, and Colton was up for banishment, Ron obviously goes home. So now the faithfuls probably need to focus their energy on either Colton or Lisa. And you'll find out a lot about who is a traitor by just getting rid of one of them. You know, if they get rid of Lisa, then there's a good chance that Colton will be next. And if they get rid of Colton, then it's going to be obvious that Lisa is a traitor, you know?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Well, it's getting it. I mean, it's good. It's. People are going crazy for the season. They're loving it. I think it was. I think it was casted well. I think it was a great cast. But now, like I said, now that Michael's gone, who's the next fight? Because, you know, it's a pressure cooker in the. In that castle.

[Dolores]

Well, I think Colton. I mean, do you think that Colton's coming off pretty cocky?

[Wells]

Yeah, I think the word that, like is coming to me when I watch him on my screen. Screen is he's very smug.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I think sometimes. Yeah. I think that gets me more than nasty. That gets under my skin more than cocky.

[Dolores]

Like, but I don't think he's playing any different than Lisa. Rena. She like when. Remember the tree ceremony situation where she's like, it's time for you to go back to Dubai. No different than Colton saying, lisa, I'll take us both down to get you out.

[Wells]

Yeah, he's taking big swings. You have to give him that, like.

[Mike]

And that's what they playing ballsy. And him saying, get rid of me tonight because I'm going to come for you if you're a traitor then. But you know, him saying that's Protected. That's like holding a shield, because him saying that in that room to two of the Traders, he's now gone and told somebody. I just said this in front of these people. If I'm missing tomorrow, you gotta know one or two of them are traitors.

[Wells]

Yeah. He's playing a dangerous game, though, because the numbers do tend to lean towards the traders. Right. If they all decide, hey, we gotta get Colton out, but we can't murder him, let's just band together to banish him. They can do that because they can. They can skew the numbers.

[Mike]

True. Yeah, True. But I think. I think from getting pretty good, I

[Wells]

think it keeps him from getting murdered. I don't think it keeps him from getting banished, which is what I think is going to happen. It looks like it's down to now two people for this next episode. Who do you think's going home next? Colton or Lisa?

[Mike]

I feel like Lisa.

[Dolores]

I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they kind of switch things up. There's going to be a murder in plain sight, right at this banquet.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And so you think that. Who do you think is going to get murdered?

[Mike]

I can't wait to see. You know, I would have fucking touched that thing. I would have been the first one. I'm telling you right now, because I got to touch everything. Jewelry and I don't ask, can I touch you? Can I hug you? I never do that.

[Dolores]

So the way somebody gets murdered is the first person to touch that.

[Mike]

Yes. So Lisa's like, I'm an actress. I could get somebody to touch this brooch. No one's thinking, I mean, this is so, like, oh, you know, so it could be.

[Dolores]

It could be anybody. I mean, a girl, Maura, could come up and go, oh, my God, I love your brooch. You just don't know for sure.

[Wells]

You know, I. I wonder if Lisa wishes she hadn't volunteered to do this, because if you remember, they agreed.

[Mike]

Pretty heavy. Yeah.

[Wells]

They agreed to do this the night before, before Lisa had a bunch of heat on her from Colton. Right. And so, you know, Rob said, I can't wear it because I would look weird or whatnot. And Lisa's like, oh, this is perfect. I can do it. And then now the heat's on her. A lot of people are going to be looking at her. They know that it's a murder.

[Dolores]

I would have loved to see Rob wearing the brooch.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Brooches for men are in right now. Yeah, I bought one.

[Wells]

Overall,

[Mike]

that's even better. Perfect. I would Be like, oh, I would touch. I'd be like, oh, that looks so cute on your overalls.

[Dolores]

Right? Exactly.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Wells]

Yeah. I don't know what she's gonna do. I don't know.

[Mike]

Touch it. She's looking for a reason to touch him.

[Wells]

I don't know the rules on it, though, because, like, if. If it were me, I would take it off, I'd put it in my hand, I'd walk up to someone and, like, pat on the back, like, what's up, man? How we doing? And like that.

[Mike]

That doesn't count.

[Wells]

Well, what if you just.

[Dolores]

What if you just pin it on somebody, buddy? Yeah, do that. That'd be too obvious.

[Wells]

That would be too obvious.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm so excited to see this next episode, to see what happens.

[Mike]

What about dropping it and letting someone pick it up? That's genius.

[Shar / Jo Winterstein / Jill Winterstein]

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[Dolores]

That would be smart.

[Mike]

That would be smart.

[Dolores]

But I feel like everybody is on high alert. Did you notice somebody yelled out at the round table when they found out they're going to the banquet, and they said, don't eat anything.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Don't touch anything. They said something like that. So people are like, oh, God. When the rules change like that, you're like, something's up.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Something's going on. Yeah.

[Mike]

I think it's going to be more or two. I do one, I think Maura, because she looks like somebody who would like something sparkly and pretty.

[Dolores]

She's like, look, a squirrel.

[Mike]

Yeah.

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[Wells]

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[Wells]

Okay, so this was such a fun episode. Let's, let's talk about, like, what we think is gonna end up happening, right? Like, so we think that Maura might be the person that touches the brooch.

[Mike]

I think more is going to say, oh, sparkly, pretty. Let me.

[Wells]

Okay.

[Mike]

I would do it. I would.

[Dolores]

Well, you know, Colton's not going to go anywhere near her.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

I think he's too smart for this. I think he. Everybody there is on high alert.

[Wells]

Be great if she got him, though.

[Mike]

Oh, my God.

[Wells]

Right.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But then don't you think people are gonna suspect that she set him up? I mean, people are already, like, on the fence with her.

[Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dolores]

But it's going to be like, oh, it was Lisa.

[Mike]

But how. How are they going to explain there's a murder in plain sight? Somebody touched something. Somebody drank out. I would have remembered who drank out of the chalice when poverty gave it to you.

[Dolores]

Think so?

[Mike]

Oh, a thousand. If I was in that room, I would tell you a million percent. I would have remembered who handed me that chalice.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Or who even had it, who was going around.

[Wells]

Yeah, I get it. If Lisa is the next to go, so we lose a trader. Right. Who do you think the traders will try to coerce to come up into the turret?

[Dolores]

Well, they can go bold and recruit Colton.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Or they can just get somebody that. Like Eric or Johnny.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Or even Mark who doesn't say two words.

[Wells]

I don't know if I think it's smart to bring Colton in because it looks like his days are numbered anyways. I think you want someone in there that you think can stay there as long as possible.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Well, that's why I said bold. If you're gonna go bold, do that. If not, get somebody that's, you know, not on anybody's radar.

[Wells]

Yeah. Yeah. Yam. Yam could be good in there. He's a gamer from Survivor. I think that.

[Dolores]

Think we need a gamer.

[Wells]

I mean. Yes, I do. Because you've got two housewives and a guy from love Island. They're.

[Dolores]

Who's the strongest gamer right now?

[Wells]

I think jam. Jam probably is.

[Dolores]

They don't like other seasons. They've had, like, these really strong, like, bananas and Boston and this one. This. This season. I don't think they have any like that I know of. I mean, I'm not big on gaming shows, but I might be wrong.

[Wells]

Yeah. Well, it's gonna be interesting regardless. Can we just pour one out for Ron? I feel like he left too soon.

[Dolores]

I know. I feel bad for him.

[Wells]

I did, too. I just. I. I hope he doesn't feel this way. But it.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

He.

[Wells]

It just felt like he was, like, beaten down because no one wanted to be around him.

[Dolores]

You know, he felt like he was. I mean, he wasn't. But it's like, you know the kid, like you said at school, that's just being bullied and no one likes him. And I don't know, it just. It wasn't right. It wasn't right.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

But did you know that Alan said next week's episode is going to be the best episode in Traders history?

[Mike]

Get out. He said that? Yep.

[Dolores]

I mean, just when you think it can't get any better, like this whole dinner they're gonna have, I'm like, and they're all getting dressed up and it's just, oh, genius.

[Wells]

If that's the truth. Which, by the way, I can't tell you how many episodes of Bachelor in Paradise have been on where the host says, this is the most dramatic.

[Mike]

I know, it's. It's all good for, like, viewers, like, come back and.

[Wells]

I know, but if he is telling the truth, that means something crazy happens in this thing. And it could be that Lisa gets found out with this brooch. Right. Or it could be that she gets a good kill with this thing. I don't know.

[Mike]

And Andy says it all the time too. He's like, oh.

[Dolores]

He's like, it could be a good season or. Or bad season of House. He's like, it's the best season ever. The reboot is the best ever. But that's just his job doing that now. So is Ron coming after anybody on social media right now? Is he?

[Mike]

I heard Dorinda.

[Wells]

Really?

[Mike]

Yeah, I think he's coming for Dorinda, which really surprises me.

[Wells]

I wouldn't mess with her.

[Mike]

No, but I mean, the fact that people coming for you on social media afterwards, like, it's a game, guys. Leave it at the game. Don't ruin it by this social media nastiness.

[Dolores]

Well, evidently he had said, she said Dorinda had said awful things about him that were not shown.

[Wells]

Really?

[Dolores]

And it wasn't game related.

[Wells]

Dang.

[Mike]

Like what, though?

[Dolores]

I don't know why. Hopefully we'll find out at the reunion.

[Mike]

So he tweeted that. Wow, this sounds like it's going to be a really spicy reunion because honestly, the, the, the Traders reunions aren't. Aren't that exciting.

[Dolores]

They're so mellow and maybe it's just. I'm just jaded from always being in first seat at housewife reunions.

[Mike]

No, it's not. It's just we, we compare it and.

[Dolores]

Very mellow. Very mellow compared to what we go through.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Yeah, kind of.

[Mike]

But I don't think this one will be. I. I have faith that this reunion will be very housewife, like.

[Dolores]

Well, we can't do it without Michael Rapaport. We can. We need him there.

[Mike]

He might come in a little gun shy.

[Wells]

Are we gonna get heat for being kind of like pro Michael Rappaport or.

[Mike]

Probably, yes.

[Dolores]

But we're looking at it as entertaining tv.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Wells]

He was good. Him and MJM fighting was amazing. Him fighting with Colton was amazing. Him getting up there and saying that he's the, you know, the dopest and the most handsome. Great.

[Mike]

If Colton's not mad at what he said, why is everybody else mad at what he said, you know?

[Dolores]

Good point. That is a good point. It's kind of like Johnny Banana as being, you know, gone the first day. He was such good tv.

[Wells]

Oh, yeah.

[Dolores]

I mean, he was annoying as to be around because he didn't shut up. But to this, like, I love him. I was texting with him the other day, but it just. It's hard when a big personality love them, hate them when they go.

[Mike]

Yeah, true.

[Wells]

Kind of why I want them to do a season of only characters who are known as, like, big personalities. So, like, mainly, like a lot of housewives, someone like Michael Rappaport. You know, I think that would be fun because everyone would be like, we know what we're doing here. We're all just being loud.

[Mike]

We're just gonna just give it. No holds barred.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Now, at this dinner they're having, do you think they're gonna allow them to drink?

[Mike]

I think they are allowed to drink a little more.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I mean, I get the whole part about the mission, like, you can't. It's dangerous and all that. It's a liability insurance reason. Da, da. Well, after that, like, you know, after. They should be able to drink at the round table going forward for sure.

[Mike]

Loose lips sink ship.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Mike]

And alcohol, they.

[Dolores]

I need. I need duranda to have a martini, Damn it.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

Yeah.

[Wells]

In vino veritas. In wine, there is truth. We need them.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Mike]

But then they can give up. Like, I'm a traitor. Like, you know, who cares? I mean, it paralyzes brain cells. I read. I saw on Instagram. I didn't read anything.

[Dolores]

This is a non drinker.

[Wells]

Yeah. By the. By the way, Dolores, my entire job is to get people drunk on reality.

[Mike]

You'd lose your job if that I have made because I can't get drunk.

[Dolores]

I have done the best when I am drunk.

[Mike]

Everybody does. I wish I had no, it sucks being a housewife, not being able to get drunk.

[Dolores]

Well, yeah.

[Wells]

Anyways, this has been a fun episode. Very, very entertaining. Very excited to see what happens in episode six. And if Andy is telling the truth and it being the most dramatic, Rose.

[Dolores]

Alan said it.

[Wells]

Oh, Alan. Okay. Whoever.

[Dolores]

Alan said it.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

Yeah.

[Wells]

We'll see if it. If it turns out to be. I have a feeling it probably will be pretty good.

[Dolores]

I mean, Alan doesn't say much when him saying this. I'm like, I mean, I'm intrigued.

[Mike]

He says it about something every year.

[Dolores]

Oh, he does. Well, I want to believe it's going to be amazing because it's been amazing so far.

[Mike]

I'm excited. I was. Me and Paul were watching it this morning and we were at breakfast like this.

[Dolores]

He voted for Lisa.

[Mike]

Like, that's how we were sitting at the table.

[Dolores]

I was like, that's another thing. I want to see that interaction between Lisa and Rob. What is she going to say to him? Like, obviously, I wouldn't want to be him. She can't do it on this episode. So there's going to be some, like, time in between that because they're all going to be. They're not going to be in the turret.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

Right.

[Mike]

I'm afraid I'm telling you, though, that

[Wells]

Rob is playing such a smart game. I mean, yes, there's going to be some awkwardness with the Lisa thing, but he now saved his ass. He has the social currency to say, well, I voted for Lisa. If I'm a traitor, why would I have done that?

[Dolores]

I think he's really smart and him saying things like, people just think I'm just a dumb guy. Alabama, yeah.

[Mike]

What a snake that catches snakes. Yeah. Okay.

[Wells]

Yeah. All right, ladies, this has been a fun episode. To recap, I've been loving all these interviews that we've been getting to do. If you guys aren't following us on social media, please do at by order the faithfuls on Instagram, Instagram DM us, any questions you have there and who you think that we should have on the show next. If you're not subscribing and following to us on Spotify or Apple podcasts or the Iheart app, please do tell your friends if they are traders, fans and yeah, very excited for.

[Dolores]

Yeah, Let us know who you want to see on next.

[Wells]

All right, ladies, this was a lot of fun. Have a great weekend and we'll be back again very, very soon to talk more traders.

[Mike]

Yay. Thank you.

[Narrator (6th Bureau / FBI story)]

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