By Order of the Faithfuls: There’s a Snake in Scotland (Traitors Recap)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "By Order of the Faithfuls: There’s a Snake in Scotland (Traitors Recap)"

Release Date: February 14, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Theme: Recap and analysis of the latest episode of The Traitors, with reflections on gameplay, cast dynamics, and the remaining competition, plus moments of personal insight on mindfulness and relationships.

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the latest developments of The Traitors, focusing on dramatic shifts in the cast, strategies among contestants—especially Rob’s “snake” gameplay—and discussions on how the absence of housewives has changed the show. Teddi and Tamra also kick off with an open-hearted discussion about mindfulness, personal journeys, and forgiveness inspired by a recent experience with meditating monks. The hosts blend show analysis with candid life reflections and plenty of playful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: Reflections on Mindfulness & Personal Growth

• [02:08–10:10]

  • The episode opens with Teddi (host) describing a personal journey to attend a meditative walk with monks who completed a 2,300-mile barefoot trek.
  • Teddi shares moving experiences: being gifted a handmade bracelet, emotional stories of hope from the monks, and the profound impact meditation had—her focus word for the year becomes "forgiveness."
  • Tamra and Teddi express a renewed commitment to self-forgiveness and moving forward, establishing a theme of personal growth for the episode.

  “It's about forgiving myself, because I've always held it against myself for letting other people do wrong to me.” – Teddi (07:34)

  • They connect this personal journey to coping with the ups and downs they and others experience on and off reality TV.

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2. The Housewives’ Absence & Changes in Show Dynamics

• [10:19–12:35]

  • Discussion about missing key housewives (Candace, Lisa Rinna, Dorinda) and how their absence has altered the entertainment value.
  • Rob is identified as the new driving force and leading personality left on The Traitors.

  “Well, you know, what was not a good idea was losing Candace and Lisa Rinna. And now I miss them.” – Tamra (10:19)

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3. Rob: Mastermind of the Season

• [10:44–13:35, 14:33–15:41, 23:16–25:02]

  • Both hosts rave about Rob’s skillful, charming, and ruthless gameplay.
  • His strategic moves (e.g., recruiting Eric, keeping a low profile, disarming people with humor and intellect) come under appreciative scrutiny.
  • Hosts predict that Rob’s life will change post-show, and speculate hilariously on his prospective TV future.

  “He's charming, he's strategic. He’s conniving—like he is everything wrapped in one.” – Tamra (11:35)
  “He is going to get a TV show. He’s going to get so many commercials…” – Tamra (11:49)

  • They note Rob has managed to avoid suspicion at crucial moments, especially after Candace’s unsuccessful attempt to out him as a Traitor.

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4. Eric’s Recruitment as a Traitor & Fallout

• [13:03–16:09, 25:24–26:26, 33:25–35:53]

  • Eric is recruited as a new Traitor by Rob, who the hosts believe picked him as an expendable, non-strategic partner.
  • Eric’s nervousness and lack of inherent viciousness make him both a shield for Rob and an easy target for suspicion.

  "Eric's not inherently going to be a good traitor. So, he's going to be used as a shield…" – Teddi (14:35)
  "His first day of being a traitor, he already got suspected by the end of the episode." – Tamra (14:45)

  • Kristen picks up on Eric’s nervous energy immediately, making him vulnerable.

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5. Contestant Dynamics: Friendships & Suspicions

• [16:10–19:59, 25:12–29:05]

  • Focus shifts to Johnny and Tara’s loyal friendship and their mutual Olympic backgrounds.
  • Multiple contestants, notably Natalie, are fixated on the wrong “traitor” targets—leading to misdirection.
  • The hosts lament the players’ inability to suss out actual threats, poking playful fun at their off-target suspicions.

  “Most of them are so off on who they think a traitor is.” – Tamra (16:13)

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6. Challenging Mission: The Box Task

• [25:48–28:44]

  • The “box” mission sets off the hosts’ shared claustrophobia. They admit they couldn’t handle being locked in, even for a challenge.
  • The mission’s twist (using Tara as the answer for all questions) impresses the hosts—"so smart"—for its ability to sow confusion among the faithful.
  • Discussion about players navigating the task, with specific shoutouts for how Johnny prioritizes Tara due to their friendship over gameplay.

  “You ain’t get me in a box.” – Teddi (25:51)
  “The fact that they rambled everybody's mind with putting Tara there, that was smart.” – Teddi (26:15)

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7. Elimination and Strategy Going Forward

• [29:17–34:08]

  • Stephen is banished, revealing he was faithful—not a traitor, to little reaction from the group.
  • The hosts note Rob’s reveal of holding a dagger made people even less likely to target him, a testament to his distract-and-disarm tactics.
  • They analyze who the traitors might target next (Kristen, Natalie, Johnny, Tara), speculating on the ideal strategic moves.

  “Rob revealing that he has a dagger only made the faithfuls not want to come for him even more.” – Teddi (32:00) “They still need Natalie at the round table because she's a strong player...use her as the shield and then murder her.” – Teddi (37:34)

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8. Rumors & Reunion Teasers

• [32:48–38:47]

  • Address rumors of a possible “Traitors All-Stars” cast. Teddi and Tamra dismiss this as premature.
  • Hype around the filming of the reunion episode, especially around Dorinda’s iconic Gucci look at her elimination.

  “Let me just tell you, Dorinda's outfit when she was murdered...Beautiful. I think it was Gucci.” – Teddi (38:07)

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9. Final Thoughts

• [38:32–End]

  • Both hosts express mild sadness over the final departure of the housewives and how their absence signals a shift back to “regular” gameplay.
  • They encourage listeners to tune in next week for more updates as the finale nears.

  “I hated to say goodbye to our last housewife on the show, but I know she lasted a long time. We don't have housewife energy anymore.” – Teddi (38:32)

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Forgiveness and personal growth:
  “It's about forgiving myself, because I've always held it against myself for letting other people do wrong to me.” – Teddi (07:34)
• On Rob’s gameplay:
  "He's charming, he's strategic. He’s conniving—like he is everything wrapped in one.” – Tamra (11:35) "He is going to get a TV show. He’s going to get so many commercials…” – Tamra (11:49)
• The box challenge:
  “You ain’t get me in a box.” – Teddi (25:51)
• On being a Traitor:
  "Eric's not inherently going to be a good traitor. So, he's going to be used as a shield…" – Teddi (14:35)
• Missing housewives:
  “Well, you know, what was not a good idea was losing Candace and Lisa Rinna. And now I miss them.” – Tamra (10:19)
• Show evolution:
  “We don't have housewife energy anymore.” – Teddi (38:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:08–10:10 — Teddi’s monk meditation experience, conversations on forgiveness
• 10:19–12:35 — Missing housewives and changes in series dynamic
• 10:44–13:35 — Rob’s standout gameplay, speculation about his future
• 13:03–16:09 — Eric's recruitment and immediate suspicion
• 16:10–19:59 — Contestant relationships: Johnny & Tara, missed traitor cues
• 25:48–28:44 — The “box” mission challenge and its implications
• 29:17–34:08 — Banishing Stephen, future threats, strategic analysis
• 32:48–38:47 — Traitors All-Stars, reunion filming, standout outfits
• 38:32–End — Farewell to the last housewife and final thoughts

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Final Takeaway

This episode is a blend of heartfelt introspection and enthusiastic reality TV dissection. Teddi and Tamra skillfully weave together their personal growth journeys with sharp, witty breakdowns of The Traitors’ gameplay, with a particular obsession over Rob’s mastermind move. As the show edges toward its finale, the hosts are both nostalgic for the housewives’ presence and excited for the cutthroat finish. Listeners walk away with a mix of self-help pep, reality TV drama, and giddy anticipation for what’s next in Scotland.

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Transcript

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[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. And I am so excited to be here. This was a great episode with my bestie, Tam.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Hey, good morning. Good morning. Have we talked since you went and met. Walked with the. The month. So I need to. I need, like, an update. Like, I saw some pictures. Okay.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

It's amazing. Yeah. So I'll give you a quick rundown because it was so overwhelming. You know, I went there by myself because I've been obsessed with seeing their journey. After the one monk lost his leg, it came up. That's how I found them. So I'M like, I go to Washington D.C. by myself, not knowing where I'm going, what I'm doing. And I just went to the concierge desk, and I'm like, can you tell me where the monks are? She's like, hold on, let me look it up. My friend Danielle, Trulio and Frankie were really trying to help me get to them, and they forced me to go. Real good friends will force you to do something you're worried about, but you were there alone. Alone. So I needed to go alone because I didn't want anyone to take the experience away from me because it wasn't gonna be an easy, cushy trip. And I knew that so. Well, it wasn't like, their journey. They walked most of 2,300 miles with no shoes on. I stayed at the Four Seasons and was just worried about. My coat was too heavy. So. So anyway, I found them. And when I found them, I was like, oh, my God. I just pulled up to some church, walked through the crowd, got as close as I could.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Wait, were you, like, in a car driving around looking for them?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

No, I took an Uber to where they were starting their walk off. And on the way there, I'm like, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna walk with them. Maybe I'll just meet them at their next stop. And when I got there, I tried. There was a lot of security. I tried to get close to them. And I started talking to this one guy, and I was like, wow, they're so beautiful, what they did. And he's like, yeah, it's pretty amazing. And he was kind of working there. He had a thing on, and he said, I know who you are. You're from the housewife show. My wife Maria watches it.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

How funny.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And I said, well, give me your phone. I just wanna tell her thank you. And so I did. And then he came over to me and he gave me a bracelet. He goes, my wife's working with them, and this is a bracelet one of the monks had made.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, my gosh.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And I was in there for five minutes, and I never thought I'd get a bracelet. And I was, like. Almost started crying. Like, I got all choked up. And I was like, oh, my God, thank you. Tell her thank you so much. And then they started walking, and the one monk was there who lost his leg. He started the walk with them. People started singing.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Was that. You know, is he in a wheelchair or. Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And I. And I saw that, you know, the head monk walking, and they had no shoes on. It was Freezing. And the woman next to me goes, I think I'm gonna try to walk with them. And I said, well, I think I'm gonna do that, too. And we walked through the streets, probably. I don't know how many miles it was, over an hour walk up hills, all the way to Lincoln. Lincoln Memorial.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

So you made a new friend, too.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I made a new friend on the way there. She was so cute. Her name was Jenny Tog. I want to say Tog. And, you know, we were like two old bitties holding each other up through the walk. And then when they got to Lincoln Memorial, he was emotional, you know, to see all the people walking. You could hear a pin drop. People meeting each other with maps on where to go. Thousands of people just walking up to hear them speak. And, you know, it was basically about being mindful, focusing and finding your own peace. Every day, wake up and write down, this will be my peaceful day. Say it, write it, and then think it. And no one can take that from you. He goes, we're not going to change the world. We can't, but we could change the world within ourselves. So that was basically. It wasn't political, it wasn't religious, it wasn't. Everybody was accepted. Even people that were chanting against them. You know, you have your crowd saying things. And he said the biggest thing he found along the way was so many people came up to him crying. Yeah. And he says he remembers their face. And a couple people said, I would have killed myself if it wasn't for you and your journey. And I'm still here because you gave me hope. And so many people need this right now. So, yeah. And then later on, I went to meditate with them, and it was a whole room of meditation.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

And now they're coming over for dinner tonight.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

No, I didn't get that close. But when I showed up to the meditation, the line was wrapped around the block three times. And I'm like, I'm not gonna make it here. I'm not gonna get in. And the people around me, they're like, oh, we'll make it. Don't worry. Like, this is the kind of people. First of all, nobody. There wasn't too many people in that crowd that knew watch tv, right? The guy in front of me, I'm like, you have a backpack? They're not letting people in with a backpack. He goes, I have a feeling when I get up there, we'll find a way. I go, so you're gonna wait on

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

this line over an hour just to see.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And guess what? He Got in. They said you could leave your backpack aside, might get stolen, but he's like, no problem. So, yeah, it was amazing. And, you know, I couldn't think about that word for the year. Like, you. What was the word you thought of?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Was it unbothered? Is that what I said?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I don't think that's what you said, but whatever it was, see, you're supposed to remember.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I know.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And while I was meditating, the. The word forgiveness came to me. And it's about forgiving myself, because I've always held it against myself for letting other people do wrong to me. I always said, it's my fault. I allowed it to happen.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, to a certain extent.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And it kind of follows through with everything else. Well, if I think that I should punish myself for things and let people do things to me because I let it happen, then I'm always going to have that happen to me. So it's about forgiveness for me.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I love that. I love that for you.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And that's what I got out of my meditation.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

An amazing person.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Oh, thank you.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Really are.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I was talking to Paul this morning about you, and I was like, oh, I'm so looking forward to my podcast. And he goes, you really should send Tamara and tell her a note and let her know how much you appreciate being with her.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Don't make me cry.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I said, okay, Paul, I never sent anybody a note about that, but that's kind of. I'll just let her know. I appreciate this September.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

So, anyway, so sweet. I appreciate you guys.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

So, yes, yes. It was so nice spending time with you and Eddie and then. And then the monks, and I'm in a good place. Just want to know, and I want you to be in that place with me.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I am getting there. I am. I am getting there. I will call you later and tell you, but it's definitely happening. I have turned a corner.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I wanted to hear that. I wanted to hear that. And you know, when you're ready to turn that corner, you do it. I know. Last season we started this same conversation, and you weren't ready. I don't think you were ready, but I feel like you're ready now.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. I need some happiness, some forgiveness, some mindful thinking.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Let's have our word for. Let's start this over. Our word is forgiveness.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Forgiveness. I love that word. Yes.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And another.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

There's nothing worse than holding onto stuff that just does nothing for you.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He said, don't take it with you. They don't get attached to Anything in this world. Nothing. And they don't bring things with them. Even when the dog had to leave for surgery, he's very close with his dog Aloka, and the dog got hurt along the way as well. And people said to him, how bad did you take it when Aloka left you? He goes, I didn't think about Aloka one more second after Aloka left me.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Wow.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He said, we do not get attached to things in this world.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

We should do a housewife show about that. Nobody can get attached to anything. Nobody brings anything.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Well, you know, that might be a good cast trip idea if Jersey comes back. We're going to talk about that. Yeah, that might be a good idea. So.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, you know, what was not a good idea was losing Candace and Lisa Rinna. And now I. I miss them.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Have you lost your. Have you lost your. Well, you know, we did talk about this. We said when you lose the personalities,

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

it got a lot a little boring.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And what about Dorinda?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Dorinda, too. That's. I'm saying.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Durand is gone.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Everybody's gonzo, and this is gone. I think Rob's going to win this.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I could see how he could.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Did you see that? Alan said he was one of the best traders.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah. He said he's playing the game. He used a word in on Watch what happens live, and he likes him.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah. He said he's going to be his ex boyfriend. What do you say? Something like that.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I didn't see that, but I could see that. I could see him saying that. So it's. Rob is strategically playing this game like no other. We've had other traitors before, like our girls, you know, and they were so witty. Our housewife traders are smart. They're witty, but they're not game players.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

But they're not like him. He.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

They're not strategic. Sorry. They're not.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He's charming, he's strategic. He's. He's conniving like he is everything wrapped in one.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Commiserating, wrapped in a snake. He is. He is speaking all the languages. He's.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

You know, this is going to change his life. Oh, I'm sure this is going to change his life. He is going to get a TV show. He's going to get so many commercials and.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Oh, of course. So. Yeah. But is he gonna get Maura Higgins?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

No, he's too good for her.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Oh, girl.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

She's got too much substance. I was. Was what? I mean. You know what I mean. Like, he's smart. She's falling off the chair more. Doesn't even talk.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Like. No.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I mean, I hate to say, like, no disrespect, but I think I just did it all in one sentence. Okay, I'm gonna put my shovel down. I am going to put my shovel down right now.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

You don't have to talk. You are the mvp.

[Special Agent Riegel]

Dead.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I could close.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I do love Maura.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Window open. It's bad in me. And the air conditioner on. Paul girl.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, my God. But you know what? So you know, Eric being so quiet. I wasn't quite sure. Like, you know, he doesn't really talk much.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He's a great trader pick because he's going to get eaten alive by Rob.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I know, but he was smart enough to say, like, like, holy. When he took the hood off and he revealed. Revealed to Eric who he was, he was, like, blown away because everybody thought, you know, Rob was a faithful. And then Eric was saying, like, in his confessional or something, he's like, how do I know he's not going to turn on me? He is so. He. He's like, he turned on every traitor in the turret.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He is gonna turn. And, you know, I don't think Eric was. He was so overwhelmed. I don't think he was going over his head yet. In his head, who. Who Rob really threw under the bus. I think he was just thinking, oh, but he could turn on me, too. Wait till it hits him. Wait till he goes home and he goes back to his room and he lays his head on the pillow. And the day of him becoming a traitor is going through his head and he's like, but he turned on everybody. He's the scorpion traitor. He's the traitor that's gonna. Because it's gonna. He's gonna kill you because it's in his nature to be this traitor.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Even the way he was, like, talking to Eric, you know, saying, like, you come with me or you die. Like, he's just like, he's gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you. He's, like, in the role, like, he's in. He's just so good. I mean, I don't know that Eric was the perfect choice. I don't know.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I like it.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

You do like it.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I'm going to tell you why. Because Eric's not vicious. Eric's not inherently going to be a good traitor. So he's going to be used as a shield or he's going.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

His first day of being a traitor. He already got suspected by the end of the episode.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah. So. But that's good, because that's getting you know, it's Rob. Rob picks somebody who can outsmart him. I feel like in this game. I don't know that, I don't know

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

that anybody can outsmart him in this game.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I don't know about if they took like a math test between next to each other. I'm not gonna. But I'm saying like some street smarts. This isn't my, this isn't my, my shtick. I, I, I never. Kids like me don't get to do this. So by the time he could become a bad guy, he'll be killed.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, when they're in the breakfast room, you know, Eric, you could see like he's so nervous and his energy has shifted now that he's a traitor. And I'm like, somebody is going to pick up on this. I mean, and then we see that somebody and it's Kristen.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Kristen.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I like her so much.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

You know, I met her at BravoCon and she was so lovely.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I like her so much. I've never met her

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

in person. A doll. So nice.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

She just has like her energy and everything and I don't know something about her.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah. And, and she's smart. She is smart. But you know, this episode. Natalie is so stuck on Steven. I don't see Steven giving traitor vibes.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Neither do I.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He would not be on my radar.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Most of them are so off on who they think a traitor is.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

They're so off.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

They're so even.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Even at this stage of the game.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

That's what I was gonna say. This late in the game, they. You think you would know more Steven

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

and Tara, like, I know.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I don't care either.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I love Johnny and Tara's relationship.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I do too. They're so cute how they hold hands and hang out and they, I mean, obviously they bonded about the Olympics being in the Olympics.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I mean, he's like, listen, I'm competitive, but after all, I am an Olympian. How many people can say that? I'm a, an Olympian.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He's got cool energy too.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He does.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He really does. I'd like to hang out with him.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Well, skaters are pretty cool as far as I'm concerned. And I used to make believe I was a skater in my room with my socks.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Ice skater?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yes, an ice skater. But I've been watching. Did you see the last? The kid who's both his parents were killed in a plane crash.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, the Olympics. Is that what you're talking about? No, but my makeup girl, Chelsea, she was a skater, ice skater growing up. And she said she was watching it, crying so what? We didn't really get into it. I'm assuming that's what it's about.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I could still cry because he was crying for. He was holding their picture, kissing their picture. I was dying.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, God. Dolores, How. How long ago? How long was it last year. Oh, God.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

You think of.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, my God.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

The parents that get you to that, like every.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

How old is he? How old is he? Like 16?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah. No, he's not 16. I don't think he's that young. But he's young and he's a boy. Boys break my heart.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, yeah, I think a little.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Frankie.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi. This is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast where we talk about astrology and natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

This is Special Agent Regal.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Special Agent Bradley Hall]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Special Agent Bradley Hall]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

The nurse who should have been in

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

The moment you look at the whole

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Special Agent Riegel]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Do you feel kind of like without the housewives, the entertainment value has gone down? So, yes, I think Rob now is our entertainment.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

The big personalities are gone.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah. We only have, like, two more episodes.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Really?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah, I think it's only, like, a couple more episodes left.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He's going to. I'm gonna guess that. What I can tell is I feel like Natalie's gonna get murdered because she's a good player, and Rob knows that. Rob knows.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He's gotta get rid of the Wire now.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah. He's gotta get rid of the good players. He's gotta get rid of. Kristin's gonna get murdered. Natalie's gonna get murdered because they're. They're, like, you know, onto things. Maura, he'll save for last. I don't think she's gonna get banished.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

How has she been on for so long?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I don't know. I don't know what do you think.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I mean, I'm.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

What? Do you really think?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I. I think I've told you what I really think.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

No,

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I'm so shocked that, you know, sometimes they do, like, confusing murders. Like, let's just do it for random whatever. I'm surprised she hasn'. Maybe it's because Rob likes her. I'm not sure he has a hot tour he wants to keep around as long as possible. You know what I want to see? I want to see at the very end, it's him and Maura. And then he stabs her in the heart and takes all the money. I'm so mean. I'm so mean. This is so funny. Oh, my God. But, okay, so, you know, after breakfast, the. The group splits up to talk. Stephen is sure that Johnny is a traitor. Has anybody ever thought that Rob was the traitor? Has anybody ever, like, suspected him?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah, of course they have.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I can't remember because I'm like, this guy is just skating by.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Well, no, I was going to say Kansas. Kansas tried to, but nobody really went for it. Nobody. Right. No. And I think.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I think because Candace went for it and she was a traitor. They don't suspect him to be a traitor.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

She did him a favor, and he's underestimated.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Solid. Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Him in his overalls and the dumb look he puts on his face.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I need to see him in his overalls, no shirt on again.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I could. I could see right through that. Once that bitch quoted Huck Finn, I'm like, no. And correct. No. Early in the game when he. When he corrected Michael Rappaport for. For using the wrong verbiage. I'm going to tell you right now,

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

we ain't messing around no dummy.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

There's no way that was getting by me. No. I knew I would have been. I would have honed in on him from the first correction.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah. So they're all talking. Tara tells Johnny. His name was brought up last night. Johnny is after Stephen. After seeing him and Candace alone in the room, I could see that this was sus. Rob's just laying down on the couch without a care in the damn world, just lying there smiling with a twinkle

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

in his eye while sitting there with her hat on. Right?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

And I know, like, this guy is going to win this game. He's.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Listen, he just. Right now, he's playing. He's playing to win. He is playing to win. Yes.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

What did you think about this mission? These boxes?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

You ain't get me in a box.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

That's what I was going to say.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Claustrophobia.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Me too. Me too.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

You know what? If I hit that. That top and it was locked, that's

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

when I would lose my mind. That was like, I think sitting there for a few minutes, like a minute, I'd probably be okay. But when it was locked, hell no. Hell no. I mean, it's. It's a step up from being buried alive.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

20 steps up. But. However, the fact that they rambled everybody's mind with putting Tara there for so much, that was smart.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

See, I would have never thought that

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

that was so smart.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

They gave up money to do that too. And then at the end, the, you know, the group got smart. They're like, let's get some money. You know, her name's coming up again. Except for. Except for who? Who was it? Johnny.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Johnny, of course. Because he loves her so much, he's not going to vote for her again. I will tell you, one of the takeaways from this whole game is their friendship. Should. Should. Definitely. They've already got a commercial together. Yeah, they have Capital One or Delta something.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

There's been a lot of commercials. In fact, I see your commercials out all the time, Dolores.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Oh, you did? I didn't see them.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

You haven't seen them? Yeah, I've seen them. Well, I watch on Peacock on my. Just my laptop. Whatever.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And Carolyn, she was so fun.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Was she?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And west, the Taco Bell commercial makes me want to eat tacos, and I don't eat tacos.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

You have another commercial too.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Garnier. The. My cellular water. By the way, I buy it all the time. It's amazing. For makeup remover.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I need to get some.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

It's very good for your make, removing your makeup. Get that? I promise you, you'll be happy.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

So they climb in the boxes and I'm just thinking, no, no, no. Um, then the traders have to climb out of the boxes and be quiet and decide on the answer, then climb back into the box.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

This is a really cute, scary.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I know, but it was kind of a cute thing.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

So Eric is getting really thrown into the pit. The torrent. With having probably the hardest traitor challenge I have ever seen. Or not the hardest. I'd say the most incriminating.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

This one. Mm. You think so?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I feel it. Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

So Rob's name is written down. Rob and Eric go by the strategy of trying to confuse the faithfuls. Tara is the answer to all the questions. And the faithfuls are not the smartest group of faithfuls we've seen so far. They should have kept voting, Tara, since it was a pattern. Well, they did. You know, at the end. And they did it.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

And then four players are shortlisted for murder. Natalie, Johnny, Cara. So was it, it was Kristen, I think that was like, son of a, like, are you kidding me right now?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

She's, she's, And Natalie was gonna be careful.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Get me out of here. I couldn't do it. I could not do it.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Oh, no, no. I like Natalie. I think she's so sweet.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I, I like them all. The group gets back to the castle and discuss what they are thinking. The names going around are Stephen and Johnny.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Well, I, I, I mean, I think it was a bad choice. I really do.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, it wasn't a traitor.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

No, it wasn't. But they better get, get going.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I didn't think, like Stephen did that much for the show. Like, he was pretty quiet and I probably that was his strategy to stay in for as long as he could. Sitting around the round table. Johnny and Terryville, how close they are. They explained that they are after. How did nobody realize that Johnny and Tara are BFFs?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

They're not paying attention. They're like, go ahead. You know, I'm not voting for him. So just like, get me out, do what you want. But Tara and Johnny. Tara gets stumped by Maura. Maura says, how can you promise? How can you promise? So she goes and she gets stuffed. And then Johnny, being the good friend that he is, jumps in and says, we've been through a lot together. We've been through the trenches together, we've been through the Olympics together. I know there's no way she could lie to me. And then Mark jumps in and debunks that and goes, well, I've worked with a lot of people too, very closely as an athlete, and I can tell you that I would look at them differently on this show. Well, not these two. Maybe you, Mark, but you are not at that close, I wanna say, with anybody as close as these. These two have a different kind of friendship. This is a loyalty that is not going to be compromised.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah, you can.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Regardless of the game. And I think, and I'm gonna tell you this, there's almost a part of me that wishes one of them was a traitor. Not to see the other one hurt, but to see the surprise on the other one's face.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I know. Could you imagine?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

It does change you for life. If you're that close with someone and you go through a whole time finding out that they lie to you. If you are that truly close with someone, we could probably ask charade this, right? Kind of kicks you in the stomach a little bit. Unless that person protected you the whole time.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Now, when you're a traitor, you're not allowed. Even if you have, like, a best friend on the show, you're not allowed to tell them you're a traitor. Right?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

No way.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

You can't. No way.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Kristen now convinced it's Johnny and Tara. Natalie is also after Stephen. The votes are between Johnny, Stephen, and Tara. Stephen gets the most votes. And banished from the castle. He reveals he's a faithful. Rob revealing he.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And they don't really get that upset that they were wrong and they weren't.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

That's what I was thinking. I'm like, they weren't like, huh? What are they doing? Rob revealing that he has a dagger only made the faithfuls not want to come for him even more.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

There you go. God, he's good. He's so good.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Uhhuh.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Why do you think he's so good? Did he, like, study the game?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I don't. He's.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He's got an upper hand. Like, what does he do for a living?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He doesn't, like, r just go get snakes, does he? I mean, he's too smart. He does not just catch snakes for a living, does he?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I don't know.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, now he's an influencer. Now he's. Now he's gonna have his own TV show.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He's gonna have something. I'd like to see him and Dylan together, but Dylan.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, I would too.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I love Dylan. He's so sweet.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Now, you know, there was some rumors out there that there was a traitors all star cast being put together and

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

they put Gabby, Wendy, and Dylan and I didn't see my name.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I know. Well, it was debunked.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Oh, I knew it wasn't real. They're not doing that yet. You know, Paul made a very soon.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Right. Too soon.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Paul made a very good point. He goes, they don't do that now. They're not doing this yet.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

They have too many reality people and athletes and all that gamers to go through.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

They'll run out of people eventually, I'm sure.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Of course they will.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Okay, so the group splits up to chat. After the roundtable, Kristen asked Eric why he was so quiet at the round table. She is honing in. Yeah, but Eric is always pretty quiet, don't you think?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yes, but he's nervous, so that's the energy she's picking up on. Not that he wasn't talking, just that he looks nervous.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, then Kristen telling.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Kristen telling Rob and Mark. If I'm murdered tonight. It's Eric.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

She did say that, but what about. She also told Tara how she felt about her, too. She's like, I thought it used to be him.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I thought, well, the thing is, they can't murder her. They're not going to be able to murder her after that statement.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah, they don't have a lot of choices yet.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, you know whose choice they didn't? It's Rob. His name was not brought up at the roundtable again.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Well, Rob threw this guy into the mix and got it off of him. Like, he, you know, he was smart. This was a really good choice. But I got to be honest, I. I probably would have picked him too. I'm not trying, like, oh, I'm smart and I would have been a good trader. I'm just saying, like, I think he was a really obvious good choice because he was the most quiet.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, back up. Good old Rob and Eric up there with their hoods on. And what did he say? He goes, you look like Harry Potter. He was funny. Do you think Rob is going to set Eric up eventually? I mean, only two more episodes.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He's not even gonna think twice. Now. Let me ask you, if two traders make it to the end, let me ask you, can two traders win? Two traders can win two. Because once. If two traders are standing there.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah, they split the money then. But Rob did tell Eric what Kristen had said, so he could have easily not said anything. And then Eric, they could have voted for Kristen and people would have went,

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

oh, oh, it's Eric.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

And he would be the next one to go. So he had a. He had an opportunity to throw him. He still needs him.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He still needs.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

He's not done with him yet.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

He would have had to recruit somebody else.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Oh, my God. So close to the end. Do you think he'd have to recruit?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah, I think so.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Hmm. So the short list of.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Remember we got a traitor out at the last round table. Who was recruited? Brittany was recruited by Danielle.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

That's right.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

And they did not. They took away the. They said that they took away her being able to tell us if she was a traitor or not when she was banished. So now we were still left with the four of us going to the end, not knowing if one of us was a traitor.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, they. All the. The shortlisted people got letters. They had to go in and I could imagine they're like, oh, my God, am I murdered? Like, your first thought would probably be, there's that letter. We've all seen it on tv. I'm murdered already. But no, they have to go out to the boxes again. Who do you think's gotten getting murdered? Tara, Johnny, Kristen or Natalie?

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Tara.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

They're gonna pin it on Johnny, then Johnny's gonna get banished.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I feel like that would be. Yeah, that would be a tough one. They can't.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Hard to tell. Hard to tell. What do you think?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I don't know. I mean, it's not Kristen. It could be Natalie. She's a strong player, and I think it might be time to get her out, I think.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Okay. Okay.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Right.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Yeah. I think it's a toss between Natalie and Tara.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

I just feel like Tara and Johnny are like nothing burgers. Like, I think everybody knows that they're. They should know, like, that they're faithfuls. But I don't know.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I don't know. But they. I think they still need Natalie at the round table because she's a strong player and she's not going for Rob. So why not have Natalie say who she thinks is the next one, use her as the shield and then murder her?

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yeah. Well, I don't know. We have to wait another week to find out. Well, they did shoot the reunion. Andy was in LA yesterday, and they shot the reunion for. I know. Can't wait to see the looks and all that.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

Let me just tell you, Dorinda's outfit when she was murdered. Holy. Lovely. Beautiful. I think it was Gucci.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

She has a lot of Gucci in her wardrobe.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

She loves Gucci. But that, like, what a way to go out, girl.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Well, that was a great episode. We have to wait another week to see what is going on, but thank you guys for tuning in to another episode. By order of the faithful.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

I hated to say goodbye by. To our last housewife on the show, but I know she lasted a long time.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

We don't have housewife energy anymore.

[Unidentified Female Host (possibly a podcast host or commentator)]

No, that's okay. Let's see. Let's get it going. Let's see how this ends. But.

[Unidentified Female Guest (friend of B, possibly Tamara)]

Yep. All right, guys, see you next week. Bye.