By Order of the Faithfuls: Traitor Behavior w/ Carolyn Wiger

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: By Order of the Faithfuls: Traitor Behavior w/ Carolyn Wiger

Date: November 21, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Guests: Wells Adams, Dolores, and Carolyn Wiger

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Episode Overview

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod welcomes reality TV figure and fan favorite Carolyn Wiger (Survivor 44, The Traitors Season 3), guesting alongside co-hosts Wells Adams and Dolores. The conversation is a candid, lively deep-dive into Carolyn’s gameplay, authenticity, and emotional journey on The Traitors, coupled with reflections on reality TV and staying true to oneself on and off camera. Carolyn’s unique energy and openness create an engaging discussion, blending humor and serious insights about personal growth, game strategy, and public perception.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dolores’ Engagement Story (03:12 – 06:48)

• Wells congratulates Dolores on her engagement, prompting a detailed, heartfelt story.
• Dolores recounts the surprise proposal that reenacted the day she met her fiancé—at the Apple Store—ending in a home filled with roses and a dinner at their original first date location.

Quote:
“I hope no one makes fun of him or picks on him for doing this because it was so beautiful. It really was the sentiment behind it...it meant the world to me.”
— Dolores (05:16)

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Welcoming Carolyn & Her Hesitations (07:27 – 08:32)

• Carolyn joins and jokes about the podcast “dress code” (hats).
• She expresses playful frustration wanting to discuss current episodes, clarifying she’s choosy about interviews and does podcasts for fun, not promo.

Quote:
"I don't like doing this shit. I do this stuff for fun...I'm not fucking rich. What the fuck am I doing?"
— Carolyn (08:32)

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Being Authentic & Vulnerable on TV (08:45 – 11:34)

• Dolores admires Carolyn’s raw TV presence; Carolyn self-deprecatingly comments on her appearance (“my lips are so fudgeing fake”).
• Conversation shifts to authenticity: Carolyn and Dolores reflect on being unapologetically themselves, even when it's uncomfortable or misunderstood.

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The Traitors: Strategy and Emotional Challenges

Wells' Burning Question: The Vote Against Him (12:49 – 14:51)

• Wells asks Carolyn why she cast the final vote to banish him from The Traitors.

Quote:
"I have to go with the group. I have to. Did I want—like, no, but sometimes…all the votes were going that way…so much of this is luck, it truly is.”
— Carolyn (13:25)

• Carolyn emphasizes the stress of groupthink and how not all moves are strategic—often, they're compelled by consensus, not desire.

Authenticity vs. Deception in Gameplay (14:51 – 17:31)

• Dolores asks how Carolyn stays true as a traitor when the role requires deceit.
• Carolyn recounts an intense moment where she got her period during filming (“it was like a crime scene”), and how Dolores helped her in that vulnerable moment.
• Carolyn discusses being "too real" for the setting and feeling disconnected from the glitzier lifestyles of other cast members, referencing her home in Minnesota.

Quote:
“I know that women exist and we have stuff that comes out. And so it was everywhere and it was really…I just froze…I would have been fine if they even put that on the show. I don’t care. It’s real life.”
— Carolyn (15:22)

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The Strain of Serious Competition vs. Fun (17:31 – 18:38)

• Wells asks if Carolyn regrets being a traitor or would prefer being a faithful.

• Carolyn's emphatic: “Hell no. Ain’t nobody want to be no damn faithful with Dylan and his...No. Heck no.”
  (18:09)

• Carolyn expresses surprise about the game's seriousness, wishing for a lighter, more playful reality show vibe.

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Game Strategy, Regret, and Gender Dynamics (18:38 – 22:48)

• Dolores recounts how Carolyn tried to steer the group into smarter moves (like not targeting Housewives).
• Carolyn bemoans not being listened to and the emotional toll of pushing against groupthink.

Quote:
“It’s like the story of my goddamn life that, like, again, I play these games as myself...and then I get like...it’s like, what is the point if I get far in a game but nobody takes me seriously or listens?”
— Carolyn (20:16)

• The panel discusses exhaustion, self-doubt, and the internal struggle to balance authenticity with strategic self-silencing.

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Embracing “Underestimated” Status & Turning Hurt Into Fuel (22:48 – 24:34)

• Dolores asks if Carolyn feels underestimated.

• Carolyn: “Yeah, which is fine. Which is what I want, right? In games. But of course, I think because I’m playing as myself, of course it hurts my feelings sometimes. But…it’s an advantage.” (22:52)

• Wells compares Carolyn’s mindset to legendary athletes who manufacture adversity for motivation.

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Reflecting on Specific Game Moves and Regrets (27:50 – 31:36)

• Wells: “Can you pinpoint one that you thought was, like, the biggest misstep that the traders made?” (27:50)
• Carolyn: Voting out Bob the Drag Queen early unraveled the game. She also references the challenge of trusting Danielle after betrayal, and the pressure of competing with cast members like Phaedra.

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Would Carolyn Change Anything? (30:37 – 31:36)

• Carolyn references Survivor legend Sandra’s advice to “lay low” at the roundtable, and regrets defending Tom—who turned out as problematic as warned.

Quote:
"Everyone’s like, he is a narcissist, too. So I’m like, you know what? I’ve been judged my whole life. I’m not gonna do that. Well, it turns out he is the same damn person."
— Carolyn (31:44)

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Public Perception, Haters, & Self-Acceptance (33:18 – 35:24)

• Wells brings up Carolyn’s unique voice and the social media imitations.
• Carolyn candidly explains she avoids reading comments or searching her name to maintain her mental health, referencing harsh trolling post-Survivor.
• She only realized her impact from her success on Cameo and positive feedback sent by others.

Quote:
"I don’t read or search my name because I don’t need to read that I’m a crackhead…I need to love myself. And if I can’t love myself without the attention of other people…so I don’t search."
— Carolyn (33:32)

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Traitors vs. Survivor: Which Would She Play Again? (35:32 – 36:50)

• Wells: “Would you ever go back on Survivor and would you ever go back on Traders—and if you got offered both, which one would you rather do?” (35:32)
• Carolyn: She’d choose The Traitors. The production treated her “like a queen,” praising the attention to detail and care. Explicit shoutout to Studio Lambert as a positive production force.

Quote:
"Traitors is the answer. Like, it was so amazing…these are great people who actually care."
— Carolyn (36:34)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I’m okay being like the freaky person on tv. Because like, when I watch reality tv, I want to see people be real…that shit’s not relatable. And so I would rather be my freak ass self.”
  — Carolyn (21:51)
• “Reality shows is about being yourself, and that’s it. It’s yourself. And even in this game…why would you be anybody but Carolyn?”
  — Dolores (30:01)
• “Listen, I gotta say, yeah, ITV studio Lambert, they need to do an all star show and you have to be on it. And I will watch that.”
  — Wells Adams (37:08)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|------------------| | Dolores’s Engagement Story | 03:12 – 06:48 | | Carolyn Joins, Talks Authenticity | 07:27 – 08:45 | | The Traitors Voting & Game Stress | 12:49 – 14:51 | | Real-Life Vulnerability On TV | 15:11 – 17:31 | | Emotional Toll of Game Strategy | 18:38 – 22:48 | | Being Underestimated & Using It | 22:48 – 24:34 | | Biggest Regrets and Casting Choices | 27:50 – 31:36 | | Social Media, Fame, and Self-Worth | 33:18 – 35:24 | | Survivor vs. Traitors: Which to Replay? | 35:32 – 36:50 |

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Episode Tone and Style

Lively, humorous, and unfiltered. Carolyn brings high energy and candid honesty, with Dolores and Wells providing supportive banter and relatable reality TV insights. The tone alternates between playful and earnest, never shying away from difficult realities of reality TV, fame, and self-image.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode offers a compelling inside look at the emotional and psychological nuances of playing reality competition—especially as someone who draws on raw authenticity over calculation. Carolyn’s willingness to be vulnerable, candid about fame’s downside, and hilarious self-acceptance make for both an entertaining and meaningful listen. The conversation touches not only on game strategy and behind-the-scenes drama, but on larger truths about self-worth, public scrutiny, and living “out loud”, whether you’re on TV or not.

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Transcript

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[Wells Adams]

Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders. Another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells Adams, and I'm alongside the newly engaged Dolores. Congratulations.

[Dolores]

Thank you, Wells. I'm. I'm feeling very romantic. I know. You know? Yeah. I may have a picture behind me like yours soon. We don't know.

[Carolyn]

Look at that.

[Dolores]

I've made fun of you for that. Now I'm gonna eat it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Huh.

[Dolores]

I love it, though. I. You guys, thank you. And thank you for congratulating me. I'm very excited, and I was very surprised.

[Wells Adams]

Can you tell us how it all went down?

[Dolores]

And were you surprised beyond Wells, I had no clue. So he kind of reenacted, basically. Reenacted? The first day we met, we met at the Apple Store. We were supposed to go on a date. Both our phones broke at the same time, and we met at the. I went to get it fixed. He was there, and we started talking at the Apple Store, and that's how it all wound up. And we. Then we went out to dinner at night to a place called Rocco's. So he wanted it to be sentimental. And when I got to the Apple Store, because he told me I was buying a new phone and I was in a hurry to get back to do a podcast for two T's, he started being very, like, emotional at the store and telling the ladies there how we met and we met here. And I'm like, oh, yeah, Imagine if we got engaged here. So then he started saying even more beautiful things, and I had a. I thought he was having a stroke. Well, because, you know, we don't talk like that to each other. Yeah. So I was like, are you okay? And I touched his shirt, and it was soaking wet. And then he started to say, you've made my life better. And I was like, what's going on? And I looked around, and then all of a sudden, cameras came out. The whole. Was in on it. And he got down on one knee, and I came home to a thousand roses through the whole house.

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[Dolores]

Candles. And more photographers. And then later on that night, we went out to dinner to Rocco's Steakhouse. And we had the same waiter, the same bottle of wine and flowers at the same table. So.

[Wells Adams]

Well, lovely. I mean, it's like a modern day. You've got mail.

[Dolores]

You know, the Apple Store. It was. I know who gets engaged at the Apple Store. And, you know, it hit me because, you know, we're in the public eye as you know, Wells and you know, we all take a lot of heat. I'm like, oh my God, I hope no one makes fun of him or picks on him for doing this because it was so beautiful. It really was the sentiment behind it and it wasn't on a beach and it wasn't fireworks and all this stuff, but it meant the world to me and it's been a pretty nice response to it all. So I'm excited.

[Wells Adams]

Lovely. And I know you're not supposed to say congratulations when you get engaged.

[Dolores]

You're not.

[Wells Adams]

I don't think so. Because you didn't win anything. Like one person didn't win something else. That's how it was explained to me. But anyways, I'm just happy for both of you and May, you know, you have a long and loving marriage and you have a picture like I've got one behind me.

[Dolores]

Someday I'm gonna tell you something. When this does happen, I'm going to reenact that picture because I think it manifested because I am always staring at it behind you. Like the whole podcast sometimes like goes off like you're talking or Tamara's talking and I'm looking at your picture. I think that's the reason I got engaged.

[Wells Adams]

Well, my picture is, is my wife and I holding my handkerchief that was given to us and it was, it was needle pointed our dogs on it and it was like a really cute thing. So I think you and your soon to be husband need to be holding maybe an iPhone that say like your name appropriate.

[Dolores]

You know what, I think that's a good idea. You're very creative and I appreciate that. So I'll come to you for more ideas.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. I'm happy for you. I'm excited about this episode today for all you traders out there, we're going to be welcoming in one of the best, one of the greats from season three, also a contestant from Survivor season 44. She is big on TV, big in person. A actually a lovely person to be around. I really short time being on the show but really loved being around her. Please welcome into by order of the faithfuls, Carolyn.

[Dolores]

Hi.

[Carolyn]

You guys look cute. Is that the dress code is little hats?

[Dolores]

Oh, no, I, the thing is, Carolyn, I, I just got back from Bravo Con and I look really bad, so. He looks cute in a hat. I have one hiding myself. Carolyn, we're so happy to have you. I know it's a big treat for us.

[Carolyn]

I'm excited to be here but I got, I'm A little pissed, to be honest, because is this, like, I want to be. I want to talk about the real episodes. I. Because I looked on Yalls thing and. And I'm like, yes, they're done. Like, talking about the past. And then I was like, but the season hasn't started, so that wouldn't make sense to be here to talk about the current season. But then I was like, so call me back for an episode. Or are you guys not having people at that time?

[Wells Adams]

You mean for when the new season starts? Yeah, we're definitely having you back. I actually wanted. I wanted to ask you, Carolyn, because you don't often do interviews, and I was wondering why you agreed to come on on this show.

[Carolyn]

What do you mean? I don't like doing this shit. I do this stuff for fun. And I don't like, first of all. And then I started a thing where I was like, donate to this chair. And then I'm like, I'm not fucking rich. What the fuck am I doing? Like, donate to.

[Dolores]

But I know, like, it was so nice of you to come on because it's a tree and you're like an icon. And by the way, you're so beautiful. You're just.

[Carolyn]

My lips are so fudgeing. Fake that I got to get some of this filler out. I am seeing the tardy for the party.

[Dolores]

You think? Why? They think you look like Kim. Kim Zak.

[Carolyn]

Yeah, like, bitch. She's literally like 20 years older than me. What is it? Do I look to, like, 1990?

[Dolores]

I think it's because your hair is long and blonde.

[Carolyn]

It's. I'm not wearing a wig, though.

[Wells Adams]

You guys are both beautiful. And I thoroughly enjoyed getting to do two episodes of you guys.

[Dolores]

You've been on Traitors and Survivor, but you played an incredible season three as a traitor. I mean, it was unreal.

[Carolyn]

Yeah, girl. Where the hell were you with helping me out?

[Dolores]

You helped me now. I didn't know until I watched it.

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[Wells Adams]

Okay I real quick I need to start this interview with the one. The only question that I really have for you Carolyn is what one question. Well I mean I want there's many. But the one that. The ego centricity that I have right now, it has to do with me, you know, the final. You were the final vote against me to be banished. And I want. I just want to know, like, was that the plan? Were you guys trying to get rid of me? What was going on? Because it came down to you and you said something. You're like, really Wells? And then you put my name down. Why did you vote for me?

[Carolyn]

I had to. And so for me, like, you don't. I didn't want to be. I started the game a little bit crazy. I'm, like, accusing people before we pick the traders. I wanted Boston Robin. People are already kind of like, like, what is wrong with her? Well, they prob. Thought that the whole time. And so it was just like, for me, I have to go with the group. I have to. Did I want, like, no, but sometimes it's like, okay. I could see that all the votes were going that way. And so what was I supp. Like, did I. No. I thought it was stupid. I didn't want to do it. And that's what's so frustrating about this game is like. Like, there's so many different types of people and stuff. Like, you were a victim of, like, it just. It doesn't make sense. And it's got to be someone and no one wants it to be them, and it sucks. So much of this is luck. So much of this is luck. It's. It truly is. But did I want to vote? You know, you had just bought in a pack of cigs, too. I wanted to smoke like, I did.

[Dolores]

You had cigarettes.

[Carolyn]

I was like, we had been talking about sex and we were craving one. But no, I. I didn't want to vote that way. There's plenty of other people that I probably would have, like, girl, but it's like group consensus, the majority. And I hate that it's boring. So I slowly was. I died inside this season, but, oh, it's not fun. But, like, having your random ass votes, that probably was a lot.

[Dolores]

I didn't vote for you, by the way. I don't know if you remember that, but, I mean, a lot of people wouldn't feel comfortable being so authentic on tv. I'm on reality tv. I'm myself unapologetically like you. But how do you stay true to yourself when you're a traitor? Because you have to lie.

[Carolyn]

And that's what I struggle. Which good. Like, I'm very open about getting my period on the breakfast chair.

[Dolores]

I know. And you And I had a thing. When you got there, you were very. Do you remember that?

[Carolyn]

You helped me. And I told people this, like, if and imagine, it's my first breakfast, you know, and it's looking like a crime scene where I sat down, I got up and it was like, just. And I know wells, but you know that women exist and we have stuff that comes out. And so it was everywhere and it was bad and it was really. I just froze and I started crying. And it was Dolores who helped me and was like, she needs to go upstairs. I didn't know what to do. I was like, but I would have been fine if they even put that on the show. I don't care. It's real life.

[Dolores]

I know. They miss out. They missed out, Carolyn. It was hard.

[Carolyn]

So as far as being my authentic self, like, I don't know any other way. And, like, I'm just gonna be real. Like, it's such a different world.

[Dolores]

We're real. Yeah.

[Carolyn]

You guys all live in this. Like. Like, it's true. Everyone's talking about, like, our trips to here and our trips, and I'm like, I literally live in Minnesota. Like, I don't. Can't relate to this. So as far as, like, I am a very emotional person and I know that I, like, will connect with people and, like, I feel bad and I hated it. So, like, my thing is, like, I don't want to get to know these people. I don't. Because first of all, like, it's just. It would be way too hard to, like, go and murder and blah, blah. That's why I was so pissed about the swearing on kids crap. Because I was like, ain't no way these housewives understand that type of.

[Dolores]

No, I didn't. I did. Not in no way, shape or form did I.

[Carolyn]

No. And so I just felt like, like, for me, I wanted to just. I knew that it would be hard. I cried. I mean, I cried a lot. I know Robin was like, what is wrong with you? And I miss my dog. And. But, like, I. She didn't sit. Not in a mean way, but I was like, it was. I didn't want to. Like, I thought that this show truly was, like, more of a fun, like, happy go lucky. I didn't expect all of, like, the drama. I didn't. And call me naive, but I saw the previous seasons and obviously season one, there's some heartache, but I just felt like, why is it so serious all the time? I just wanted it to be more, like, light hearted.

[Dolores]

We all want that. When we sign up for Housewives too, but it doesn't work.

[Wells Adams]

That doesn't make for good television. Looking. You know, when I look back on the season, I was very critical of the Traders. That was one of the reasons why I think I got ousted, because I thought that the Traders had made some, like, bad decisions in the beginning, and I was vocal about it. But looking back, I thought that you were the smartest trader and, like, your instincts were correct. But then getting to know you pretty well the show, and just from what you just said, the show affected you. Looking back, you obviously wanted to be a trader coming in, but would you have rather been a faithful after you'd done the show?

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[Carolyn]

Hell no. Ain't nobody. I want to be no damn faithful with Dylan and his. No, Heck no. I, I ain't about that. I just wanted, like, I. And truly, when they asked, like, do you want to be a traitor or faithful? I was like, yeah, put some housewives in here. I wanted it because to me, that would be fun. I wanted it to be like, we're, like, messing around in there and, like, up.

[Dolores]

We would have had fun together doing fun stuff.

[Carolyn]

So again, I wasn't thinking, like, we.

[Wells Adams]

Gotta think 30 steps ahead.

[Carolyn]

This is the way it is. So for me, I. Yes, I. I'm not a perfect speaker. I. I am very. I mean, I stutter, I cry a lot. I'm emotional, I'm, like, a lot, whatever. It was hard for me to even get a word out sometimes in there. And so I get it.

[Dolores]

But you were right. You know what, Carolyn? You were right, and they didn't listen to you. You told them, stop voting for the Housewives. We weren't a threat. But they were doing it. They wasted a lot of. A lot of murders on housewives who were no threat to them, who could have been Shields at the roundtable. I know the game now, but you were the smart one. And I watched you on Survivor back when we're going to get to that. And I saw the same thing happen to you there sitting with two guys. I forget who it was. My friend, Boston Rob. And you were eating like a mango and you were, like, trying to talk and people were talking over you. So I. I know that about you, but I want you to. Moving forward. You should have a lot more confidence because you're fucking smart, girl.

[Carolyn]

I know when I say I do, I.

[Dolores]

Do.

[Carolyn]

It's that. Do you think it doesn't get me, like, annoyed as, like, I. Because it's not that, like, I walk around because I hate that when people are like, she's just always playing the victim. I'm not playing them.

[Dolores]

Not confidence. I take that back.

[Carolyn]

But no, no, no, it's okay. I do believe in myself. I do think I'm great. But it's sometimes like, I kind of know, like, they. They ain't gonna budge or they're not gonna listen. And how long do I want to stay in the goddamn turret with these people? So that's a big thing too. We're not getting any.

[Dolores]

It's late at night. People don't understand that. Yeah.

[Carolyn]

And there was only probably one time where I was like, I ain't budging and I'm not moving. And that was about Britney coming in. But I was like, I don't wanna. I was like, I am tired as hell. I can't even, like, think. And so if. If. How long do I want to argue in the turret? Like, hell no. But I do believe in myself. Yes. It's like the story of my goddamn life that, like, again, I play these games like, as myself, and then I get like. It's like, what the is the point if I get, you know, far in a game but nobody takes me seriously or listens? It's like, well, I'll get to the end and then, well, you got there.

[Dolores]

You got really far.

[Carolyn]

You know what I mean? Like, so that's where I was hard on myself. But like, no, this game, like, I am grateful. It didn't like me up or anything. I just wish it was more. More like fun and crazy and like, do like tripping people and stuff like that. Not like so intense gamer. Like, I don't think that's fun to watch. Like, the super intense people that are like, I don't know about you, but I got really bad anxiety out there with Danielle. I just did. It was like, this shouldn't be this serious. And I get that it's a game and blah, blah, blah, but like, we don't need to. It can still be fun and have a little bit of drama without crying all the time. And I cried too. But, you know, would you do it again? Oh, absolutely. I loved it, like, as much as I like. Why do I. Did I seem really up?

[Dolores]

No, I'm just asking if you would do it again because I would.

[Carolyn]

Oh, like, please, girl. I thought it was awesome. And just everything is so, like, it's. It's so incredible. Everything. The attention to detail, the set, the. I loved it. Like, I truly loved it. But I'm okay being like the freaky person on tv. Because like, when I watch reality tv, I want to see people be real. I want to see. And again, a lot of people I think are, I don't know, embarrassed to admit certain things or they want to look perfect. And it's like, that shit's not relatable. And so I would rather be my freak ass self that I think that it is. You know, you go into group settings and it's like, you want to, like, have everyone. No, not. That ain't like that for me. I go into group settings and it's like, who's that? Or like, you know what I mean? I don't. But I'm not gonna try to be all like, to fit in with people. That's way too exhausting.

[Dolores]

Do you think people underestimate you? You think?

[Carolyn]

Yeah, which is fine. Which is what I want, right?

[Dolores]

Right.

[Carolyn]

Games. But of course, I think because I'm playing as myself, of course it, like, hurts my feelings sometimes. But like, you know, it's an advantage.

[Wells Adams]

Though, in the game that this, like Michael Jordan and Tom Brady used to do this a lot where they would create these things about, like, so and so said this or this team said this and create this drama in their head to give them, like, moxie and energy to win. And I feel like that's what you do. I feel like, you know, that you're an amazing game player and you're using this to like, trick yourself into, like, figuring out a way to win. Does that make sense?

[Carolyn]

Trust me. Like, again, I. It's one of those things, like my personality helps my gameplay. It's, it's. I'm authentically, like, I'm not playing like a character. You know what I'm saying? And so that's like, I know that, like, just being me is going like, nobody thought, everybody thought, like, there's no way she could do this and she can't keep a secret. She probably would have told everybody by now. It's like, people just think I'm an idiot. And I guess. And that's the thing. Like, do I want to change or do I, you know, I do. I go through those, these battles of like, oh, especially after I was banished, I'm like, what the is wrong with me? And then I have to, like, come back and I'm like, no, like, you are who you are and blah, blah, blah. Like, oh, it's, it's. But I know it helps me, but it sometimes hurts my feelings. And so it is what it is.

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[Wells Adams]

When you look back at all the, you know, moves that the traders that you guys made, can you pinpoint one that you thought was, like, the biggest misstep that. That the traders made?

[Dolores]

I.

[Carolyn]

Bob the Drake Queen that early on. Yeah, just everything fell apart after that. But also finding out too, like, Danielle was coming for, like, just. And so all of that. And like, I obviously had found out from Dylan and I couldn't. For me, my emotional, like, I can't go back once someone's coming. Like, I can't. I can't be like, okay, I trust you now. It was too hard. It was too hard. But what's crazy is I was like, girl, we literally were. We were fine. And I always said, like, we got along fine outside of the turret. We would. It was just fine. But it was like, we went in there and personalities, like, you know what I mean? Everybody wanted to, like, egos. Yes. And it always made me so uncomfortable because I. I remember wanting to be a traitor. And I told them, like, if you pick me, like, I can't sound like Phaedra. And I really was, like, hard on myself. Not hard on myself, but I was like, Like, I just want you to know, like, I'm not gonna have these, like, cute one line. Because she's very good.

[Dolores]

She was. Yeah, she's very witty. And I get. I. I understand. I feel the same way. And I know what you're saying. I exactly get it.

[Carolyn]

I'm like, I can't be that. So, like. And they're like, no, don't. Like, we. You know, you're here because you're you and all of that. But of course, I'm like, oh, my gosh. So I feel like there was that, like, pressure in the turret especially. And I don't know if Danielle, like, really felt it, but I felt like, like, girl, you're like a different person when we come in here. And so it just was like. And I never. That's not me to be like, I can't Wait to, like, who are we gonna murder? Like, I just don't talk. Like. Like, it was weird for me, and maybe I should have, like, gotten into the kit, because Parvati did it very well. It's just not me. And I really tried to, like, break out of my comfort zone in that way. But again, I don't know how to do reality shows without just, like.

[Dolores]

Reality shows is about being yourself, and that's it. That's it. It's yourself. And even in this game and all the games I think that you play, it's yourself that gets you there. So why would you be anybody but Carolyn? You're. You're like. People go crazy over you.

[Wells Adams]

I also think when. When people start acting differently than they normally are, that's a big tell that something is. Is not right, you know? So I think that you. You played it exactly. Exactly correct in my mind.

[Dolores]

Oh, yeah. I. I. Would you have done anything different?

[Carolyn]

Oh, I would have. Like, I always had Sandra's voice in my head, because Sandra from season two, because she's like, girl, don't you be talk. Because I'm a talker. And so she was like, don't say stuff or bring stuff up at the round table. It's gonna get you banished. So just. Just don't, like, kind of lay low. But that's boring as. And so I kind of get where, like, Bob the Drag Queen, like, went all wild, and, like, that was probably fun. Even though, you know, he was out quick. It's like, he probably had a hell of a time doing it versus, like, I mean, I was dying inside, like, just feeling like I couldn't, like, you know, just say things or accuse people or. That's what you want to do. And I felt so. Just like, I gotta be quiet. So I re. I. That sucked. And I regret, like, just protecting Tom.

[Dolores]

You regret protecting him?

[Wells Adams]

Why?

[Dolores]

He's an to me, and he's still an. He's a. That's why.

[Carolyn]

Yep. And everybody warned me, and me especially. Who. I hate cheaters, okay? Like, they trigger me. They piss me off. They. And everyone's like, he is a narcissist, too. So I'm like, you know what? I've been judged my whole life. I've had people, like, treat me a certain way because of my past. I'm not gonna do that. Well, it turns out he is the same damn person.

[Dolores]

I went in the same way with him, Carolyn. And then, you know, when I see him, it's nice and it's cordial, but he just, like, ripped Me apart on a traders panel at BravoCon.

[Carolyn]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

He's like, you didn't even. What did he say? He kept on me about how I played the missions and. What else did he say? He's like, no one. You didn't even. First of all, I played the missions hard. Don't tell me. I mean, I did everything. I. But I forget what he said, and I don't know, we got into it on the Traders panel. Anyway, that's. That's. That's not about us. This is all about you. And I just. You've been such an inspiration to so many people. You're so open about your past and dealing with your addiction, and you've used it now to be a life coach, which is really a blessing. I know so many people. You're like, number. She's like number one on cameo wells.

[Carolyn]

Not anymore. I need to get some.

[Dolores]

You were, though, for a long time.

[Carolyn]

Well, hey, I'm typically in the. Like, I do well, though there's not a day that I've ever had. There's never been, like, a day where I don't get a cameo request or something. Do you know what I mean? At least one. But typically I have at, like, I do. I do a lot.

[Dolores]

So why don't we.

[Wells Adams]

You have a very unique voice, and a lot of people were doing imitations of you on social media. I thought they were hilarious. I was wondering how you felt about it, like, in the moment, girl.

[Carolyn]

So this is the truth, because. And this is where, like, people, like, don't. I don't really give a what people believe. I don't read or search my name because I don't need to read that I'm a crackhead. Of course there is a lot of great things, but if I put all of this stock into, like, the positive things people say, what happens when it stops and what happens if I put all of my, like, worth into it so I don't search. And so during survival, I had so many people, like, calling me a crackhead, saying my brain was fried from drugs, saying just so much. I stopped. Like, I don't search my name at all. And so I remember I did. And I would tell my family, don't send me articles with what people say. I don't care. I need to love myself. And if I can't love myself without the attention of other people or, like.

[Dolores]

The people you don't even know, right?

[Carolyn]

Nope. So I don't want to give it the energy. And so I truly. When the season is. Was airing and this is literally the truth. And I didn't even know people liked me after Survivor until the cameo hit. And I had so many that I couldn't sleep. And so. And it hasn't stopped. And it's one of those things, like, I wouldn't have known otherwise. Like, I, I truly thought I was the freaky weirdo who was playing a game. So with Traders, I had so many people telling me, like, you gotta see this and you gotta see this. And I, I wasn't finding them unless people would send them to me. And it's the same with like, the Danielle drama, because that came to like, people were like, you need to like, calm your fans down because they're being mean to Danielle. I wouldn't have known because I don't read that. I don't otherwise, like, for what. I don't need the attention. I don't need to know what people think of me. Am I going to change because somebody doesn't like me?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Carolyn]

So. But I, I did get like the Bob do I. I didn't even know I had an accent like that. Is that from Minnesota?

[Wells Adams]

Obviously, Survivor 50 cast has been released, so I. Here's my question. Last question to you. Would you ever go back on Survivor and would you ever go back on Traders and if you got offered both of them, which one would you rather do?

[Dolores]

Good question, girl.

[Carolyn]

Like, so, yeah, Survivor 50, I was cut. That's kind of sucked. But trade. I mean, Traders was amazing. I can't. When I talk about the experience as far as even like in, I don't know, y' all come from, like, shows that probably, like, treat you, like, really, really well. And like, I felt like NBC peacocks. Who is it? Who is. Who's responsible for treating us so well? I felt like a damn princess. I. So besides the show being absolutely incredible and just how much d. I mean, even think of, like, the producers were there tweaking every detail and making sure the, like the murderer face to face.

[Wells Adams]

It was.

[Carolyn]

I'm like, my. Oh, it's so cool. So traitors is the answer. Like, it was so amazing. But. But how they treated us, how they treated me. I felt like this is such. These are great people who actually care.

[Dolores]

There's a wellness team, right? They say, are you okay?

[Carolyn]

Everything, all the support people, all of. There was never a time where I felt. And I just felt like a queen, like, I loved them.

[Dolores]

Studio Lambert.

[Carolyn]

Studio Lambert.

[Wells Adams]

Listen, I gotta say, yeah, ITV studio Lambert, they need to do an all star show and you have to be on it. And I will watch that. Thank you so much, Carolyn for coming on the show.

[Dolores]

Thank you, Carolyn.

[Wells Adams]

I love getting to know you. Even though it was for a short time. You are to me such like the a perfect reality TV person because you are just authentically you. So I appreciate you for just being honest with all of us. And please, please come back when we start recapping season four because your insight will be invaluable to us because we are all 100%.

[Dolores]

Thank you so much, Carolyn. We're so excited that you said you'd come back. Thank you.

[Carolyn]

And congratulations on the engagement too, girl. And your new show.

[Dolores]

Thank you. I'm excited.

[Carolyn]

So, wow. Thank y'.

[Dolores]

All.

[Wells Adams]

All right, see you, Carolyn.

[Dolores]

Bye.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, she's the best.

[Dolores]

Wells, how many times have you been called a girl in your life?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, well, that was probably the most. But you know what? If anyone can pull it off, it's her. And 100 I listen, I. It broke my heart that she was the one who got me was the final vote. But really did like getting to know her and hanging out with her. And yeah, she's right. I did. I was so stressed out I got a pack of cigarettes and that was a thing that happened on that show. And some, some behind the scenes stuff.

[Dolores]

Nice.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. All right, everyone out there, thanks so much for listening to By Order of the Faithfuls. If you're not following us on social media, please do rate and review wherever you listen to the podcast and tell your friends. And we'll be back again very soon with another episode of By Order of the Faithful by.

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