By Order of the Faithfuls: What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger w/ Natalie Anderson

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode: By Order of the Faithfuls: What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger w/ Natalie Anderson
Date: February 25, 2026
Guests: Natalie Anderson (Faithfuls contestant), Wells Adams (Co-host), Tamra Judge (Co-host)
Theme: An in-depth post-elimination conversation with Natalie Anderson about her emotional exit from The Traitors, game strategies, trust, representation, and her path forward.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tamra Judge and Wells Adams sit down with Natalie Anderson fresh off her impactful and emotional exit from The Traitors. They discuss the intricacies of trust and betrayal in the game, the challenges of being a visible and competitive woman of color in reality TV, her relationships with other contestants, and what the future might hold—all with the show’s signature candid and playful energy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Natalie’s Exit & The Roundtable Blow-Up

• Wells opens by celebrating Natalie’s memorable moment confronting Johnny—her refusal of a hollow apology.
  • Quote: "Nothing was better this entire season than you telling Johnny, 'Do not say sorry to me.'" (Wells Adams, 02:55)
• Natalie reflects on the frustrations of being banished while clearly being a “faithful.”
  • “What the is a sorry gonna do for me now?... It's frustrating because I feel like they knew I was a faithful, so it made it like, so insult this bullshit, like, apology.” (03:11)
• Tamra and Natalie discuss how apologies sometimes ring hollow when game alliances are shattered.

Timestamp: 02:55–03:47

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2. The Emotional Weight of Representation

• Natalie gets candid about the pressures she feels representing brown women, always feeling she needs to “prove” herself.
  • Quote:
    • “I've always had this chip on my shoulder...proving to be tough because of how society views brown women. And I've always had to fight, always...So I've become so good at presenting it as strong. But then…people just think, like, oh, she can't also be trusted because she's this way.” (03:56)
• She details how her Survivor experiences have left scars but also drive her competitive edge.
  • “Losing winners at war and losing $2 million and coming second place for me has forever changed me...there's part of me that's still finding forgiveness in myself.” (05:23)

Timestamp: 03:48–06:03

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3. The Game: Betrayals, Alliances & Strategy

• Natalie reveals her shock at Tara and Johnny’s last-minute switch, which dashed her plans for a faithful alliance.

  • “No, not at all...I went in, like, with, we got this. Like, me and my girl Tara, we're gonna flip the shit. And then she's like, actually, I'm not gonna say anything…” (04:48)

• She reflects on strategies and almost-moves, such as the missed opportunity for a 4-4 tie at the roundtable and what might have happened if Rob didn’t have his dagger.

  • “Having that glimmer of hope of...maybe tie at the round table...that was what I had planned out.” (06:24)

• Wells presses Natalie on Rob’s gameplay and whether his days are numbered.

  • “I don't want Tara and Johnny to win. Like, I want Rob to win...he's 99% chance of being a traitor...if Johnny and Tara and I would literally just jump into this. Damn.” (07:13)

• Natalie admits to admiring Rob’s gameplay, comparing it to her own on Survivor.

  • “I played survivor like Rob and I'm so proud of him. Like, I was like, you gotta own it, dude...We suck as faithfuls. We're not doing our damn job.” (07:48)

Timestamp: 04:48–08:37

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4. Game Psychology & Watching it Back

• Tamra and Natalie discuss how hindsight is both a killer and a teacher.
  • “But how frustrating was it to watch the show back and see Rob was actually a traitor?” – Tamra (08:01)
  • “Yeah, really frustrating…it makes me question my judgment.” – Natalie (08:06)
• Natalie highlights how calm Rob was amidst turmoil, making him easy to trust—until the last days.

Timestamp: 08:01–08:37

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5. Viewer vs. Player: Hypotheticals & Gamecasting

• Wells and Tamra ask Natalie if, as a viewer, she’d want to be picked as a traitor by Rob.
  • “As a viewer, it would have been fun…But it's not a smart move for Rob to pick me...I would have been like this mother, you've been lying to me this whole time.” (11:39)
• Discussion about who Rob should have picked as his traitor ally, and why Eric made more sense than Natalie.
  • “Eric is the smartest option at this point for him to pick as a trader.” (12:10)

Timestamp: 11:20–12:21

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6. Standout Players & Wasted Potential

• Natalie singles out Monet as someone who left too soon—a player she deeply trusted and felt bonded with.
  • “I think Monet. I think Monet going out early is such a sin...That is so, so priceless in that game.” (14:24)
• Natalie reflects on Ron’s exit, revealing an honest moment when she had to evaluate her own gameplay after his isolation.
  • “Ron and I had a really good moment after...I was very honest with him about being a part of the problem that kind of, like, isolated him after Portia.” (15:21)
• She’s clear-eyed, though, acknowledging sometimes people are just ready to go: “I wouldn't wish that he stayed longer because if you're miserable, that's a really shitty place to be…”

Timestamp: 14:24–16:21

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7. Future Reality TV & All-Stars Potential

• Tamra suggests many Traitors stars go on to other shows—what would Natalie do next?
  • “I've been on so many...I would do Traders again...I would get a stylist because I've been. Everybody's been coming at me for my fashions or lack of fashions, girl.” (16:34)
• Natalie and Tamra both joke about being game show “losers” who’d return for an All-Stars—no hesitation.
  • Quote: “Would you guys go back if they did an all Stars?” – Natalie (17:18)
  • “I rarely say no to anything.” – Tamra (17:21)

Timestamp: 16:21–17:43

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8. Game Philosophy: Faithful vs. Traitor

• Natalie lays out her thoughts on game roles:
  • “Trader all day. Unless I had better faithfuls...As a gamer, you come in guilty and you have to prove your innocence...A trader would never do what I did, you know.” (13:16–13:49)
• Wells jokes that he would’ve suspected Natalie regardless, but would still want to align with her—“definitely, but also, I'm going to be friends with you because I think you maybe will keep me along like Rob is doing with Maura.” (13:59)

Timestamp: 13:16–14:14

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On hollow apologies and betrayals:
  “What the is a sorry gonna do for me now?...It's frustrating because I feel like they knew I was a faithful.” (Natalie, 03:11)
• On the burden of representation:
  “I've always had this chip on my shoulder...of proving to be tough because of how society views brown women.” (Natalie, 03:56)
• On taking gameplay personally:
  “I'm not mad at them in real life, but the emotions are real. And watching it back is very difficult. Difficult for me, because I wanted to win.” (Natalie, 05:23)
• On being the “gamer” among faithfuls:
  “As a gamer, you come in guilty and you have to prove your innocence.” (Natalie, 13:46)
• On the possibility of playing again:
  “Would you guys go back if they did an all Stars?” (Natalie, 17:18) “I rarely say no to anything.” (Tamra, 17:21)

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:55] – Opening, Natalie’s call-out post-banishment
• [03:47] – Digging into representation and identity on reality TV
• [04:48] – Betrayal and missed alliances
• [06:24] – Hypothetical roundtable strategies
• [07:13] – Rob’s position as the likely traitor; psychology of gameplay
• [08:01] – Frustrations watching the show back
• [11:20] – Viewer vs. player: traitor hypotheticals
• [14:24] – Natalie’s thoughts on Monet, Ron, and others
• [16:34] – Openings for future game appearances, All-Stars
• [13:46] – Philosophy of faithfuls vs. traitors
• [17:18] – Would the hosts and Natalie come back for All-Stars?

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Conclusion

Natalie Anderson offers a candid, impassioned window into The Traitors—the gameplay, the frustrations, and the deeply personal side of reality TV competition. Her reflections on trust, representation, and strategy provide plenty for fans to chew on, while Tamra and Wells keep things lively and honest. Despite heartbreak and dashed hopes, Natalie’s will to compete (and her willingness to come back for more) shine through, setting the stage for whatever “chaotic” reunion and possible return may follow.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Wells Adams]

Foreign. Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders to another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. Wells Adams alongside Tamara Judge. And we are joined by the very beautiful, amazing faithful, I must say, in Natalie Anderson. Welcome to the show.

[Natalie Anderson]

Thanks, guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Welcome. Welcome.

[Wells Adams]

First off, can I just give you your flowers where they're due? Nothing was better this entire season than you telling Johnny, do not say sorry to me. You took away that and I loved it.

[Natalie Anderson]

It's. It's so frustrating because first of all, what the is a sorry gonna do for me now? And then secondly, they all draw these dumb hearts on their cards. I'm like, what are you doing?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, right, you feel bad, but you're. You're getting rid of me.

[Natalie Anderson]

Yeah, but, you know, and it's frustrating because I feel like they knew I was a faithful, so it made it like, so insult this bullshit, like, apology. Like, it's one thing like, if you're doing it out of strategy or you really think I'm a trader, but we had crossed that bridge where you took that leap of faith to say, you're a faithful, let's work together. And then you were like, actually, no, we're over it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we witnessed an impactful exit speech from you from the roundtable. What made that moment so emotional for you?

[Natalie Anderson]

I think, like, if I've always had this chip on my shoulder when I like of proving to be tough because of how society views brown women. And I've always had to fight, always. If you watch me on Survivor, I had to literally fight this man. And like, the guy and me are going at it because I feel like I have something to prove which isn't always good. So I've become so good at presenting it as strong. But then it comes with this, like, innate, like, people just think, like, oh, she can't also can be trusted because she's this way. And so it was like all these emotions I'd been like, carrying the entire season. You all know how, like, crazy the emotions are in that house. And then, like, it all just came down to that moment and I was like, so mad, so angry, so frustrated. Everything just was overwhelming for me.

[Tamara Judge]

I also got to believe that you didn't expect Tara and Johnny's last minute switch.

[Natalie Anderson]

No, not at all. Like, I went in being like, having all this hope for us and, like, being like, we can do this. Like, we got this. Like. And that was hard because if I'd gone in, like, it's me versus everybody, my mentality and how I would have approached that table would have been very different. But I went in, like, with, we got this. Like, me and my girl Tara, we're gonna flip the shit. And then she's like, actually, I'm not gonna say anything because I don't know what's right and what's wrong. And I was like, what.

[Tamara Judge]

What right have you? I mean, obviously you guys have shot the reunion, but how are you with the two of them?

[Natalie Anderson]

I've, like, made up with Tara. Like, there's. There's. It's different for me because these games and these shows are mean more for me than it does for some of the celebs. And I think I take things very differently because change. It's. It's changed how I feel. Losing winners at war and losing $2 million and coming second place for me has forever changed me. And there's part of me that's still finding forgiveness in myself for not executing the way I should have. So it's different. I'm not mad at them in real life, but the emotions are real. And watching it back is very difficult. Difficult for me, because I wanted to win. Like, I wanted that money.

[Tamara Judge]

You were almost there. Almost there.

[Natalie Anderson]

That's why I made it so hard.

[Tamara Judge]

10 episodes. I want to believe it's much harder to leave after, like, 10 episodes when you're at the home stretch than it is, you know, episode two, three, four.

[Wells Adams]

Whoa.

[Tamara Judge]

You didn't need to wait. Where were you at Wells. I made it barely to 5, so

[Natalie Anderson]

I know it's tough, but I think even, like, it wouldn't have been as hard if I never got that opportunity in my brain, because I would have been like, none of these idiots. Trust me. Like, I could say anything right now and be like, she's a traitor, so. But having that glimmer of hope of the possibility of being able to do something and being able to, like, maybe tie at the round table where it would have been me, Tara, Johnny. I thought we could definitely get Mark if we had gone in there with a solid plan and then imagine how cool it would if we had tied four, four and then had to go to a revote without Rob having his dagger. Like, that would have been epic. Like, that was what I had planned out in brain, but obviously didn't happen.

[Wells Adams]

Are the walls closing in on Rob? It seems like that from at least the edit, but I'm I'm wondering if you think that, like, his days are numbered.

[Natalie Anderson]

So when I left, I thought his days were numbered. And that's part of the reason I didn't vote for him is because I didn't want. I wanted them to be more confused at this point. I don't want Tara and Johnny to win. Like, I want. I want Rob to win. Like, in my mind now, I'm like, he's 99% chance of being a traitor, especially his demeanor towards me. And he looked like he was having. I want to believe he had a hard time voting me off, but at this point, I'm like, if Johnny and Tara and I would literally just jump into this. Damn.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think Rob has a soul. This guy is just.

[Natalie Anderson]

That's how you play. Like, I played survivor like Rob and I'm so proud of him. Like, I was like, you gotta own it, dude. Like, you're not a bad person because you're doing your job as a trader. We suck as faithfuls. We're not doing our damn job job.

[Tamara Judge]

But how frustrating was it to watch the show back and see Rob was actually a traitor?

[Natalie Anderson]

Yeah, really frustrating. It, like, question makes me question my judgment. Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Natalie Anderson]

This man was so chill and I think we were all crazy in that house. Like, our personalities were all like, including me. Like, I'm a psycho. So having him there to gravitate to and have somebody that makes you feel calm and like chill, like, that was something that I liked. He was my number one until like the last two days. Like, I was like, he's my ride or die faithful. Which is props to him and his game, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but he's cracking now.

[Natalie Anderson]

Yeah. So let's see how he does.

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[Wells Adams]

Separate yourself from being the game player and the viewer, right? So watching it back one, do you kind of wish that Rob had brought you in that turret? And two do you like how he's playing this game? And do you think that Eric will be able to stand the test of time?

[Natalie Anderson]

As a viewer? I would have. As a viewer, it would have been fun to have me in the turret. But it's not a smart move for Rob to pick me Because I would have been like this mother, you've been lying to me this whole time. Now you want me to trust you.

[Tamara Judge]

I want to see that. I would have loved fans want that.

[Natalie Anderson]

Obviously fans are like, Natalie would make such a big trade, a good spray, especially because I'm so mad at this point. But Eric is a much better choice, right, for him because he's like, oh, this guy. I can manipulate him. I can get.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, he can. Yes, he can control him so hard.

[Natalie Anderson]

And it's like even Mark as a choice would have been. It would have been good. But I feel like Eric is. Is the smartest point, smartest option at this point for him to pick as a trader.

[Tamara Judge]

Who are you shocked? That's last the longest now that once

[Natalie Anderson]

I found out it was just robbed a trader, it wasn't shocking for me that Maura was still there. But before that I was like, why the hell is Mora still here? And then that's when it clicked. It's like, me and more. He's saving me for muscles and saving Maura for a plus one for every vote. You know, like, it's amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

Or maybe a date after they get done with this.

[Natalie Anderson]

Yeah, I know.

[Wells Adams]

Contractual. You probably can't say too much, but can you maybe in one word describe what the reunion is going to be like?

[Natalie Anderson]

I think it's going to be chaotic. I think that I was expecting it to be more like Survivor where it's like, oh, let's talk about the strategy. And then it's like, no, actually, we just want the drama and all the tea. I still heard it's nothing compared to a Housewives reunion.

[Tamara Judge]

That's how I felt. I'm like, this is the first reunion I've done. I'm at the end.

[Natalie Anderson]

Yes, it's why we so chill. Compared to your Housewives stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you have rather played a traitor

[Natalie Anderson]

or a faithful trader all day? Unless I had better faithfuls. If I had better faithfuls, it would have been fun. But the faithfuls, we were just. We could not get on the same page. And having the gamers go out so early, I was left with nobody. And I've said this before, I think as a gamer, you come in guilty and you have to prove your innocence. Versus, like Atara, like, Tara's coming in innocent as, like, she has to really up for them to look at her. If I did one thing, like me wanting the antidote, people like, oh, she's a trader. I was like, this makes no sense.

[Wells Adams]

Sense.

[Natalie Anderson]

A trader would never do what I did, you know, like, right. I would much be a fa. A trader. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, you're very competitive, obviously. Let's try.

[Wells Adams]

I. I think I would have thought you were a traitor if I was on that show. No offense. I would have been like, definitely. But also, I'm going to be friends with you because I think you maybe will keep me along like Rob is doing with Maura.

[Natalie Anderson]

Yeah, it's key. It's hard.

[Wells Adams]

Of all the people, faithful and trader that has been on the show but has been either banished or murdered, who do you wish had more time on the show?

[Natalie Anderson]

I think Monet. I think Monet going out early is such a sin. And me and Monet had connected in a way where we were close. Like, we had that bonding moment, and it's. That is so, so priceless in that game where you give. I had given all my trust to him. He got me out of that bloody cage, and then I was bonded to him and he was taken away. So I think not only for the fashions, because, like, obviously Monet is amazing, but also just for myself. Like, selfishly, I wanted him in the game, to play with him, and I think he was onto it. He knew Lisa was, and he told Candace, and he made that mistake.

[Wells Adams]

So you know that my wife went to high school with Monet. X Change.

[Natalie Anderson]

My gosh. That's crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

Small world.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. Can I ask you about certain characters?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I loved Ron. I wish Ron was there longer. What was your thought on him?

[Natalie Anderson]

So Ron and I had, like, a really good moment after. I was very honest with him about being a part of the problem that kind of, like, isolated him after Portia. And I looked at myself and I said, why are you doing this? Obviously, there is an aspect of gameplay, but we reconnected, and I just don't think Ron was having fun towards the end. So I think he was almost ready to go. I wouldn't wish that he stayed longer because if you're miserable, that's a really shitty place to be and not be having fun. And I think that it was just a lot for Ron. Like, yeah, like I said, I'm, like, psycho. Like, I'm fine in these situations. No matter how hard it is, I'm never going to feel like I'm losing my, like, actual, like, happiness. And, you know, you probably feel the same because we've been through so much on these days. Damn shows. Like, nothing can face us at this point. But I don't think. I think Ron was just very sensitive and very. He's not used to this. It's crazy, you know, like what we do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Natalie Anderson]

So. So the.

[Tamara Judge]

So many. There's been so many stars come out of Traders. So many. And I'm sure you're going to be hit with all kinds of offers. What competition show would you do next?

[Natalie Anderson]

Dang. Like, I've been on so many. I feel like I would do, I guess the Beast Games. I don't know. I would do Traders again. I would just.

[Tamara Judge]

I was just gonn. Would you go back?

[Natalie Anderson]

I would do trainers. I would get a stylist because I've been. Everybody's been coming at me for my fashions or lack of fashions, girl. Like, I. Hair dryer. Okay. Like, girls up. People like asking me, like, oh, did you have a stylist? I'm like, honey, I didn't even have a hairdryer.

[Wells Adams]

Right?

[Tamara Judge]

There's no glam. There's no. Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Anderson]

Like, the girls would be getting makeup and stuff. I would show up to the castle with wet hair, like, trying to dry it on the way to the castle. Oh, my goodness.

[Wells Adams]

Well, Natalie, I'm. I'm sorry we have to let you go because you're doing a million freaking interviews, but thank you so much for.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Natalie Anderson]

You guys a question. Would you guys go back if they did an all Stars?

[Tamara Judge]

I rarely say no to anything.

[Natalie Anderson]

Yeah, that's like me.

[Tamara Judge]

You're like me, girl, but we're two losers over here.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Tamara Judge]

Episode two, Episode five's not bad. Especially not too bad. Not too bad.

[Natalie Anderson]

But it's like a gamer. Y' all come in and you guys have to go out. You guys have to fight from the day you guys get there like us.

[Tamara Judge]

But going in a second time, at least you have, like, you know what to expect. Yeah, that would be.

[Natalie Anderson]

And you know what? Going on first is just. That's just shitty luck. Like, Nadia, my twin sister, went out on my first season of Survivor and she. It's not her fault. Like, it's just bad luck, dude.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, thank you so much for entertaining us. I can't wait to see who the winner is. Yeah, I can't wait for the reunion.

[Wells Adams]

Will you come back on after the reunion?

[Natalie Anderson]

Oh, yeah, totally. I would do it.

[Wells Adams]

Natalie, thank you so much for coming on. By order, the Faithfuls, you rock. It's been so much fun watching you on our TV screens. I'm so bummed that you're no longer on them, but you will be soon in this reunion. Enjoy the rest of your day and if you're ever in la, please hit us up.

[Tamara Judge]

I would love to see you for sure.

[Natalie Anderson]

Thanks guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Thanks Natalie.

[Wells Adams]

See ya.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It is Stock up savings time now through March 31st. Spring in for storewide deals and earn four times the points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Smart Water, Healthy Choice, Continental, arrowhead, Red Bull, St James, Tillamook and Special K. Then clip the offer in app for automatic event long savings. Stack up those rewards to save even more. Enjoy savings on top of savings when you shop in store or online for easy drive up and go pickup or delivery restrictions apply. See website for full terms and conditions. I'm U.S. transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all seem to be in a rush these days, from work to driving our kids around. But when you're behind the wheel, please do not speed. A few minutes saved by going faster

[Natalie Anderson]

is never worth the risk.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So follow the speed limit, enjoy the drive, maybe bring some snacks for the kids, and know that along the way you're getting quality time with your family

[Natalie Anderson]

paid for by nhtsa.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Natalie Anderson]

At cvs, it matters that we're not just in your community, but that we're part of it. It matters that we're here for you when you need us, day or night, and we everyone to feel welcomed and rewarded. It matters that CVS is here to fill your prescriptions and here to fill your craving for a tasty and yeah, healthy snack. At cvs, we're proud to serve your community because we believe where you get your medicine matters. So Visit [e-mail] or just come by our store. We can't wait to meet you. Store hours vary by location.