By Order of the Faithfuls: When Traitors Turn… (S3 E3 & 4)

Summary

Podcast Summary: By Order of the Faithfuls: When Traitors Turn… (Two Ts In A Pod)

Hosts: Wells Adams & Dolores Catania
Aired: November 21, 2025
Episodes Covered: The Traitors (S3, Episodes 3 & 4)

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Overview

Wells Adams and Dolores Catania dive into episodes 3 and 4 of The Traitors Season 3, breaking down gameplay, strategy, and behind-the-scenes drama. Drawing on their own reality TV backgrounds, the hosts dissect Traitor dynamics, memorable moments at BravoCon, and highlight the evolving tactics among both Faithfuls and Traitors. Expect candid takes, strong opinions, and an insider look at cast relationships and gameplay.

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BravoCon Highlights & New Traitors Season (03:12–06:47)

• Dolores recounts BravoCon as "COVIDCon" and "OzempicCon" (03:21), describing the health aftermath and the packed energy:
  • "All our friends have Covid. It was Covid Con." (03:21, Dolores)
  • BravoCon revealed the Season 4 trailer and hosted a huge Traitors panel (03:34–04:48).
• Dolores describes the on-stage dynamic:
  • Multiple housewives present, including Dorinda and Caroline Stanbury; she predicts "strong personalities" will fuel drama.
• Tom Sandoval called out Dolores at the panel for her gameplay, reigniting old tensions:
  • "He knocked the way that I played the game even though I won." (05:56, Dolores)
  • Dolores defends her reputation, challenging Tom’s rationale for suspecting her: “Nothing he said makes sense to me.” (06:03)

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Traitor Strategy & Gameplay Analysis

Boston Rob as a Traitor (06:47–09:37)

• Wells expresses surprise it took so long for players to realize Boston Rob was a Traitor:
  • “If I’m production, I want Boston Rob to be a traitor… the traders really aren’t happy to see him in the turret.” (07:13, Wells)
• Discussion on trust dynamics:
  • Other experienced players are wary and don’t trust Rob.
  • Dolores reflects on being spared multiple times and recognizes she was being set up to look like a Traitor herself:
    • “How could every housewife be gone? … It must be me.” (09:10, Dolores)

Calling Out Traitors – The Bob the Drag Queen Reveal (09:14–12:49)

• Ian is credited as the first to genuinely suspect Bob the Drag Queen:
  • “The first one to call out Bob the Drag Queen… was Ian.” (09:37, Dolores)
  • “There’s something I don’t trust about him. And she was so right—smart.” (10:01, Dolores)
• Dylan later deduces Bob’s role by observing his voting patterns (10:17–10:55).
• Danielle's overacting and emotional gameplay is dissected:
  • Dolores shares Danielle literally fell on her face out of nerves, and her “fake crying, the shaking, even threw herself on the floor.” (10:55, Dolores)
  • The hosts debate using emotional outbursts as a strategy, with Wells saying, “Stop crying so much. This is a game. You’re freaking out.” (12:07, Wells)

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Missions, Shields, & Roundtable Tensions

The Creepy Funhouse Mission (17:59–19:52)

• Dolores calls the mission her “biggest regret,” citing physical discomfort and personal embarrassment:
  • “The creepy fun house sucked. It was just gross. It was cold, it was raining, and I didn’t get the game…my partner’s colorblind.” (18:08, Dolores)
  • “To go after Tom Sandoval, who said 5,000 different things, was just the kiss of death for me.” (19:07, Dolores)
• Consensus: The producers may scrap or revise this mission format due to widespread contestant confusion.

Dylan’s Accusations and Housewife Blowback (19:52–21:03)

• Dylan puts his neck out by accusing Bob the Drag Queen and Robin; faces sharp backlash:
  • “Dylan gets his first lick from a housewife… Robin just tears his ass up.” (20:17, Dolores)
  • “Now he’s Mr. Dancing with the Stars star. Kid’s gonna make it, isn’t he?” (20:17, Dolores)
• Heartwarming segment about Dylan’s family and his genuine, supportive nature. (21:03–22:38)
  • “He loves his dad dearly, and he loves his little sister so much.” (21:57, Dolores)

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Banishing, Betrayal & The Hidden Bookcase (24:02–27:10)

• Gabby accuses Tony, whose insistence on not being a Traitor appears suspicious:
  • “He started out of the box lying to us. If he would have just said, ‘Yeah, I fucking wanted to be a traitor. I’m not, but that’s what I came here to play.’ I would have thought more of him.” (24:45, Dolores)
• Tony is banished, reveals he is a Faithful, and emotionally confronts Rob:
  • “The guy’s a cop. Until we talk about Jeremy’s exit.” (25:00, Dolores)
  • “He points to Rob and he says, ‘You’re a sellout.’ Which is very interesting.” (25:08, Wells)
• Hidden bookcase segment: Gabby overhears Danielle in the traitor meeting spot and nearly unmasks the Traitors:
  • “Gabby hears Danielle’s voice behind the bookcase, but didn’t stick around…” (26:52, Wells)
  • “That bookcase—once that was revealed, that’s when I started to really think about who’s who. That was a big clue.” (26:35, Dolores)

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Coffin Ceremony & Suspicion (27:10–31:21)

• Traitors select Jeremy, Nikki, and Sierra to be “shortlisted for murder” in coffins:
  • “Smart move—the traders don’t put one of their own in the box, which throws off suspicion.” (29:45, Wells paraphrased)
• Jeremy’s plea to the Traitors is mocked:
  • “He’s a fireman and he, like, folded. Sierra’s like, ‘I’m going to fucking kill you, traitors…’ And then Jeremy’s like, ‘I’ll work with you, just let me live.’” (28:59, Dolores)

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The Fallout: Shields, Statues & Bob the Drag Queen's Exit

Post-Coffin Dynamics (34:35–36:18)

• Gabby reveals her suspicions at breakfast, but Dylan’s actions inadvertently clear Danielle:
  • “Dylan unknowingly saved Danielle’s ass.” (35:00, Dolores)

The Statue Mission & Roundtable Showdown (35:14–41:40)

• Mission is grueling; Derek gets the shield to stay safe.
• Bob the Drag Queen’s fate is sealed after a slip at the roundtable; Rob seizes the moment:
  • “He says… one of the guys in the cages are probably a traitor… I think Rob wanted to get rid of Bob.” (35:41, Wells)
  • “Boston Rob’s face—oh yeah, that Italian temper kicked in quick.” (36:18, Dolores)
  • Key strategic insight: “Rob’s fatal flaw—he says ‘you’re a hundred percent a traitor.’ Wes catches this: 'What's the only way you know that for sure...to be a traitor.’” (37:35, Dolores)

Memorable Exit – Bob the Drag Queen (39:27–43:29)

• Dolores recounts compassion for Bob, who was grieving his mother; she chooses not to expose his lie at the roundtable due to his vulnerable state:
  • “He told me…in confidence when he was crying over his mother.” (41:40, Dolores)
• Bob’s dramatic, theatrical exit speech is praised:
  • “He says before, like, ‘I swear to God, I’m not…’ and he was pounding his… and getting worked up and being dramatic and theatrical.” (40:09, Dolores)

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Reflections, Predictions & What's Next

• Discussing moral lines in the game, the pain of banishing friends, and how winning pivots team energy (43:29–44:29).
  • "Alan starts putting pressure. He's like, guys, come on, come on. They're winning. What are you doing? They're making you all look like jerks..." (43:29, Dolores)
• Preview of next week’s episode featuring special guest Lord Ivar; plans for more interactive ‘fan’ content for season four.
  • "The next episode we have will be an interview with Lord Ivar, which is going to be very, very fun for everyone." (44:35, Wells)

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Notable Quotes

• "All our friends have Covid. It was Covid Con." (03:21, Dolores Catania)
• "He knocked the way that I played the game even though I won." (05:56, Dolores Catania)
• "The reason we didn’t think one of the guys in the cage was a traitor was because it was too obvious for one of them to be a traitor." (07:21, Dolores Catania)
• "How could every housewife be gone?...It must be me." (09:10, Dolores Catania)
• "Danielle’s overreacting was so bad. It drove me crazy in the beginning." (10:55, Dolores Catania)
• "Playing a smart game isn’t always the smartest." (16:59, Wells Adams)
• "The creepy fun house sucked...I embarrassed myself actually." (18:08, Dolores Catania)
• "Tony is banished, reveals he is a Faithful, and emotionally confronts Rob: 'You’re a sellout.'" (25:08, Wells Adams)
• "Gabby hears Danielle’s voice behind the bookcase, but didn’t stick around…" (26:52, Wells Adams)
• "Smart move—the traders don’t put one of their own in the box." (29:45, Wells Adams)
• "Boston Rob’s face—oh yeah, that Italian temper kicked in quick." (36:18, Dolores Catania)
• "He says, 'You're a hundred percent a traitor.' … 'What's the only way that you know that someone's 100% a traitor? To be a traitor.'" (37:34, Wells Adams)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:12 – Recap of BravoCon and Traitors panel
• 06:47 – Boston Rob’s arrival as a Traitor
• 09:37 – Early suspicions of Bob the Drag Queen
• 10:55 – Dolores critiques Danielle’s emotional gameplay
• 18:08 – Dolores describes the “Creepy Fun House” mission
• 20:17 – Dylan accused, faces off with housewives
• 24:02 – Tony’s banishment and fallout
• 26:31 – Hidden bookcase and Gabby’s suspicions
• 29:45 – Coffin ceremony and analysis
• 35:14 – Grueling statue challenge
• 36:18 – Roundtable: Bob the Drag Queen vs. Boston Rob
• 39:27 – Bob the Drag Queen’s emotional departure

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Conclusion

Wells and Dolores provide an in-depth, humorous, and candid take on the shifting power plays and personalities dominating Traitors Season 3. Through sharp analysis, personal anecdotes, and light-hearted banter, they unpack complex social dynamics, emotional reactions, and strategic blunders that define this phase of the game. The episode closes with a teaser for fan participation and upcoming interviews, promising more insider perspectives and reality TV drama.

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Transcript

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[Wells Adams]

Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders to another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells Adams alongside Dolores Catania. Dolores, how are you?

[Dolores Catania]

I'm so good. Unlike most of the people that went to BravoCon, all our, all our friends have Covid. It was Covid Con. Well, there's two names we have for it. It was ozempic con and COVIDCon.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, not to be confused with last year, which was. Was that like lip injection Con. And what's the stuff that freezes your face?

[Dolores Catania]

Botox.

[Wells Adams]

Botox Con.

[Dolores Catania]

Even the guys were dipping into it hard. Oh, the filler Con. Yeah. Craziness, Craziness. But it was a, it was a great time and worth getting sick, I'll tell you that.

[Wells Adams]

Well, let's, let's talk about it a little bit because there was a, a couple things in the Traders world happened at Bravo Con One, they showed the trailer for the new season, which is coming out next year, which will be recapping. And then also there was a panel. So did you see the trailer?

[Dolores Catania]

I did. It was pretty amazing. I got goosebumps, I got excited. I got that like guttural excitement and, you know, a little envy too that I wasn't a part of it. I never, you know, me, I never wanted to leave there, but it's really good. He starts off with the tarot card reading, which is so, you know, spooky. So it started off with that. People were super excited. I think the panel had thousand. Paul said there was like 6,000 people watching that pan.

[Wells Adams]

Whoa.

[Dolores Catania]

It was crazy packed to the Florida, you know, wall to wall packed. And every seat was filled, which is hard to fill in those large spaces. And it just, it was really good. It looked really, really good. They didn't show any, like arguing or anything like that that I remember. But I do think that there was some heated moments around amongst housewives and, and that's my prediction, Wells. And I'm going to tell you, I know housewives very well and there were some big egos in that at that round table.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I mean, we know that Dorinda's there. Are there other housewives that are there?

[Dolores Catania]

I want to Take away the word egos. I want to say strong personalities. Yeah, there was some very strong personalities there. Dorinda was there. And Dorinda was on. On the panel, and so was Carolyn Stanberry. She was on the panel with me as well. So Kristen Kish was on the panel. Tom Sandoval and me got into it a little bit there.

[Wells Adams]

Ooh.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, we did.

[Wells Adams]

But I wasn't there. But I'm sure it was. It was all, you know, skittles and rainbows.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Now, now, what happened?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, he said again, he knocked the way that I played the game even though I won.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

He also said that he thought I was a traitor. I said, why did you keep picking me? Because I really thought you were a traitor. Because one night when I was going up to my room, you said, you're next, Tom. Okay, first of all, I never said that. And second of all, you weren't next, and if you were next, you wouldn't have been there to tell it. So what made you think I was a traitor then? How is that even make sense? Nothing he said makes sense to me. So we got into it there.

[Wells Adams]

I mean, it's very rich for someone like Tom to criticize the way that you played a game, considering that he was never right about anything.

[Dolores Catania]

Wasn't. So Carolyn. Carolyn did protect him. Now I know she's mad about it, and I'm mad that I was ever even nice to him, so.

[Wells Adams]

Well, I'm glad you had fun. Glad you didn't get sick. Let's get into season three, recapping episode three and four. You know, I was watching this back. I'm kind of shocked that it took so long for everyone to realize, obviously, if I'm production, I want Boston Rob to be a trader. And I'm amazed that it took us a little bit to figure out that he was a trader. But the traders really aren't happy to see him in the turret.

[Dolores Catania]

They don't trust him.

[Wells Adams]

They don't. And I get it. I wouldn't either, especially after watching the season.

[Dolores Catania]

They didn't trust him. And here's the thing. The reason that we didn't think one of the guys in the cage was. Was a traitor was because it was too obvious for one of them to be a traitor.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And we still were. This still is new to the game. It's the third season, Wells, and we didn't, you know, was kind of like, okay, could one of them be? But the other two guys in the cage never trusted him. And they're very smart. Gamers. Very, very smart in the turret.

[Wells Adams]

It comes down to Tom, Ian, and then you, Dolores.

[Dolores Catania]

I did not realize I was so close to being murdered so many times. And I don't know why they skipped over me. I don't know why I was the last housewife standing. Do you?

[Wells Adams]

I'm not sure. I mean, I understand Bob the Drag Queen's idea of chaos, because that's kind of what they. You know, I think that's what happened with Dorinda. It was confusing. That was like. My whole thing was, like, I was confused as why they would get rid of someone that I. I think everyone already thought was a traitor. And so that caused confusion. Which, looking back, it. It was smart in the fact that it did cause a lot of confusion. And then. And then now choosing a. It makes it. It's very obviously she's not a traitor. Like, why would you get rid of this person? You should get rid of someone that's a threat. But it does. It does do the thing that Bob the Drag queen was talking about, which was just cause confusion. I think keeping you around makes sense because there were people like Tom who might have thought that you were a traitor or you had it, because I was the last.

[Dolores Catania]

They were Senate. It took me a while to realize that they were also setting me up for keeping me.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, how could every housewife be gone?

[Wells Adams]

And.

[Dolores Catania]

And then I'm the last one standing. It must be me. And that made sense to a certain extent. But Derek and Wesley were smart, and they knew that Boston Rob was a traitor, and they knew that Bob the Drag Queen was a traitor. But the first one to call out Bob the Drag Queen, to be honest, was Ian.

[Wells Adams]

I know. I remember her telling. Because I remember her telling me that. And I was like, no way. That's so obvious. You know, like the. The brightest bulb in the chandelier, the. The one who's dressed up, you know, to the nines. There's no way that they're going to make him the traitor. And Ian was like, there's something I don't trust about him. And she was so right smart.

[Dolores Catania]

And then Dylan pulled me in at one point, and you see this. This did air. He's like, I think it's Bob. And, you know, I want to let you in on. I happen to trust you. We're just getting to know each other now. Right. And I said, well, I'm not ready to say it, and you shouldn't either. Yeah, let's just sit back on this.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I think that was a smart play on your behalf. But you know, Dylan, he deduced it from the banishment of me, right? Because Bob starts it, starts it coming at me. And then at the end he switched up his vote.

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[Wells Adams]

You can. He does this a lot actually, as you watched through the season before he gets banished himself, is that he will throw shade at someone and then he'll divert over to voting for someone else. So he has plausible deniability. I, you know, I wish that I had lasted longer for a lot of reasons, but one, I wish I was there longer to be able to watch Danielle's overacting. I'm wondering what you don't even know.

[Dolores Catania]

You don't even know. You know, Danielle off camera was very nice. And when we get to the reunion and I'll say that she, she really did me a solid in the end. But. So Danielle's overreacting was so bad. It drove me crazy in the beginning. But what everyone doesn't know, and I feel bad because this happened when we were walking into our first roundtable. Danielle was so nervous, she fell flat on her face. Like you just heard it. It echoed in the thing. But she was always dramatic about everything. The fake crying, the shaking. At one point she even threw herself on the floor and started convulsing. After she got Carolyn out, like Alan, you know, came out of character maybe once in the whole time. And that was him when they had to get back and say get back into character because he was like dumbfounded by it. But at breakfast the next morning, she was talking too much and Boston Rob did not like it. Because the more you talk, the more you put yourself under a microscope, right? Because now people are paying attention to you. My only strategy was to go under the radar as long as I could.

[Wells Adams]

But I wonder if I was there. I imagine what my interviews would be like. Talking about Danielle and just being like, stop crying so much. Like, what are you talking. This is a game. You're freaking out. And I wonder if if my spidey senses would have gone off by being like annoyed of the overacting because it happens a lot in paradise on my show. Right where.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, okay, so you're familiar with it.

[Wells Adams]

When people get way too over emot. I'm like, stop freaking out. You went on a date on jet skis. Like, why are you crying like this?

[Dolores Catania]

You're over wasn't a 20 year marriage.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, exactly. Like this is a game. We're in a. We're in a castle in Scotland and this stop.

[Dolores Catania]

The person really isn't dead. And yeah, you know, I'm just not used to emotions like that. It just annoyed the fuck out of me. Like, totally annoyed me. Especially coming from where I come from. I've been on a show now for 10 years straight and I can count on one him. How many times somebody cried in New Jersey.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, but now you're on a new show I saw a trailer for recently. Oh yeah, Housewives of Rhode Island. They're like us in my world, Ashley, I can. Eddy is always.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that's. That's the given.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

She texts me. She's like, I think people are gonna think I'm boring. I'm like, nope, nope. I don't think boring is the word we're looking for.

[Wells Adams]

So good.

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[Wells Adams]

Jeremy suspects Danielle and this is the kind of the thing that I said as I was leaving as being like playing a smart game isn't always the smartest.

[Dolores Catania]

I think that's a good line.

[Wells Adams]

But I think that applies to someone like Jeremy because he's on to Danielle. Right. Like he and he is. And the second you get someone and you start saying their name, then it's the traders trying to figure out a way to get you out. And that's what ended up happening to Jeremy.

[Dolores Catania]

That is what happened to Jeremy. But see, Carolyn was too good with going back and saying this one mentioned your name. She shouldn't have been that loyal to Danielle because Danielle wasn't loyal to Carolyn totally. And Jeremy had Carolyn's back and he told her that and she was like so like I don't know how to accept this. You know, I think she felt bad because she was a traitor and he was confiding in her. But I'll tell you this, if I was a traitor, I wouldn't be so quick to die. Mouth. The people that were riding on the other traders wouldn't do it. Yeah, I'd keep them on my side. That's what I would do to get the other traders out.

[Wells Adams]

I agree with that. The mission seemed fun and scary, but also long and wet. Tell us like the behind the scenes of going to the creepy fun House.

[Dolores Catania]

The creepy fun house sucked. It was the Only and biggest regret of my whole career in the Trader's Castle, because it was just gross. It was cold, it was raining, and I didn't get the game. I'm dyslexic. My partner's colorblind. Bob Harper was colorblind. There was only one door left. Tom Sandoval went in before me, was throwing out all these different kind of things, and I just. You know what? I embarrassed myself, actually, because when you can't pick the one door that's left, everyone's gonna hate you. And they did. I didn't get through the first thing. I just wanted to get out of there, to be honest.

[Wells Adams]

Can I ask a question? Why weren't people like, okay, we're gonna choose the door furthest to the left, we're gonna choose the door second to the left. Instead of being like, red diamonds and gold stuff. I. I didn't understand why you weren saying, like, what door it was.

[Dolores Catania]

It was so confusing. And to go after Tom Sandoval, who said 5,000 different things was just the kiss of death for me because I can't listen to him anyway on a good day. So I didn't want to listen to anything he'd saying or understand him. So, yeah. So with one door left, I picked the wrong one and embarrassed, totally. No one did good in that game and no one finished it. So I think they're going to scrap that for one of the next mission missions moving forward or.

[Wells Adams]

Or make it maybe a little bit easier because. Because I don't. I think that. I truly think that production wants you to get as much money as possible.

[Dolores Catania]

And they do. Yeah, they do. But that was. That just didn't work. You know, whoever invented that one thinks in a different way.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Going back to the roundtable, you know, Dylan, he kind of puts his neck out accusing Bob the drag queen and Robin of being traitors. You know, they do not respond lightly to that. You know, Bob gets. I tell you what, though. I mean, like, it didn't work out for Bob, but Bob is very good at arguing.

[Dolores Catania]

He's very smart. Bob, we call him Bob dq. He is so very, very intelligent. More than you know. And then Dylan gets his first lick from a housewife, of his first beating, verbal beating from a housewife, because Robin just tears his ass up. And I. And he's so nice and so pure. He's like. Like he didn't know what to expect. Now he's Mr. Dancing with the Stars star. Kid's gonna make it, isn't he?

[Wells Adams]

He might win this Thing. I went to that taping last week and saw his all tens, and he's good.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. It's his time. Yeah, it's his time. I'm so happy for him because a nicer kid.

[Wells Adams]

Did I tell you? Did I tell you what his dad said? It was like, the cutest thing in the world.

[Dolores Catania]

No, tell me.

[Wells Adams]

So after the. The dance, you were all kind of, like, filing out, and I had been sitting next to his father, who's, like, the cutest little, like, amalgamation of both Zach and Dylan, but, like, smaller and just nice and old and cute. And so someone came up to me and was like. Was talking to me and. And said something to the effect of like, I'm a huge fan. And I like, what happened to you and the Traders, like, still, like, rubs me the wrong way. And I'm bummed that you got out so quickly. And I was like, oh, speaking of traders, this is Dylan's dad. And then she turns to Dylan's dad and goes, oh, my God, I'm such a huge fan of Dylan. And he turned to me and he goes, it's so nice. For so long, I've only ever heard people being fans of Zach, and now people are saying they're fans of Dylan. And it makes me so happy. We.

[Dolores Catania]

We knew. That's so cute. And he love his dad dearly, and he loves his little sister so much. He would talk about his little sister and brother a lot. And even incorporating his sister Olivia in his. One of his dances. It was perfect. And, you know, it's just. And he took that with such grace. Being Zach's little brother, I mean, gotta be tough. He's always been a fan of his brother. He's never been jealous of his brother. He. Dylan is just purely good, and he was. And it's just his time and. And he deserves every. Every bit of it. So I understand his dad feeling excited for him.

[Wells Adams]

You know, it's funny because whenever he's in interview, you know, they'll say. They'll put his name on, like, the lower third in the Chiron. And then they say the show name. Right? So, like, for you, I'm sure it says housewives or whatever.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

For him, it says down to earth. And for the longest time. So like on Bachelor in Paradise, what we do usually is we'll put someone's name and then for the lower third, we'll say something that's funny, that's happening, like losing their mind or something like that.

[Dolores Catania]

I like that. I love that.

[Wells Adams]

It's great. And so I'm watching the show thinking of it like that, where I'm like, yeah, of course he's down to earth. And then I was like, oh, no. He was on a show with his brother called down to Earth.

[Dolores Catania]

That's a blonde moment.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, he is that.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, that's nice, like, because it actually is fitting.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, exactly. Anyways. But yeah, he gets, he gets absolutely dismantled at the round table.

[Dolores Catania]

Gabby dismantled, eviscerated.

[Wells Adams]

I think it was good, though. I think he learned. He's like, I better be better about, you know, speaking up and defending myself going forward. I think it was a good learning moment for him. But anyway, he's not the only person that throws out some names. Gabby accuses Tony and a lot of people agree, including Rob. Did you think that Tony could be a traitor?

[Dolores Catania]

I did, because he overly said, I'm not a traitor. I'm not a traitor. I'm not a traitor. I came here not to be a traitor. I want to be a faithful. And we know the way he played his games. Like, I didn't know a lot about the gamers, but what I was told about him is he used to sneak into trees and listen. And he's won these games so many times that him, him saying he never wanted to be a traitor was an absolute lie. So he started out of the box lying to us. If he would have just said, yeah, I fucking wanted to be a traitor. I'm not, but that's what I came here to play. I would have thought more of him. But because of that, like, blatant lie, that's what bothered me about him.

[Wells Adams]

Well, unfortunately, Tony's days are numbered in the castle. He gets the majority vote. He's banished out. He reveals he's a faithful. He starts crying a little bit, which was, you know, interesting, I guess. And then the last thing he says.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, me and the criers, I'm like, what the fuck is. The guy's a cop. Until we talk about Jeremy's exit.

[Wells Adams]

But, yeah, so he starts crying, but the last thing he says, he points to Rob and he says, you're a sellout. Which is very interesting, actually.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, was. It was like, I wonder if that.

[Wells Adams]

Like a me did. I wasn't there. Did that immediately put pressure on Rob?

[Dolores Catania]

No, not immediately.

[Wells Adams]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Wells Adams]

Interesting. All right, so the, the traders don't meet up in the turret because they're going to be shortlisting three people in plains sight around the ca. And those people will be put in a coffin to murder one of them. Danielle, Bob and Rob. All make it into hidden bookcase to discuss their plan. Carolyn is lost and wandering around the castle looking for all of them. Finally, they're all together. They decide on three names. But while they're in the hidden area, smart little Gabby, she hears something. She is, you know, this whole, like, Jennifer Coolidge, you know, like, ditzy act. I never bought. I know how smart she is because when you're really good in interview, you're. That means you're really smart. And so for, you know, years I've seen her on the Bachelor, and she's so funny and so good in interview, and I'm always like, I know that you're really, really smart. And seeing that whole thing of, like, her walking in there and hearing being like.

[Dolores Catania]

And she gave it a face like this.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

That bookcase really, what. Once that was whole all revealed, that's when I started to really think about who's who. Yeah, that was a big clue. They really. They by the skin of their teeth got out of that.

[Wells Adams]

Gabby hears Danielle's voice behind the bookcase, but didn't stick around to see who the other people in the bookcase were. I kind of wish she had, but I can see her being scared, especially if. If her spidey senses were going off that she didn't want to be seen them because then she. She would probably know that she would be the next one to go.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, yeah, yeah, she'd have to go. She knows too much.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Dylan also recognizes something's going on. So he.

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[Wells Adams]

He realizes, like, something's not right, like. So he searches the castle. Did. Did you have that feeling like something wasn't right and something was going on behind the scenes?

[Dolores Catania]

There was a smell. We smelt something burning, and it was all the torches outside. And Brittany said to me, don't you feel something's not right here? And I'm like, well, there's a smell. I smell like fire or whatever that is. And that's when immediately called to come outside. And that's when there was three people in the coffins.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, no, there wasn't three. Sorry. They called them to get in the coffins.

[Wells Adams]

So was this all on the same day that you had the. The clown whatever mission, and then you go back, you do your round table, you banish Tony, and then you guys are just, like, still hanging around the castle?

[Dolores Catania]

No, but I don't remember now because.

[Wells Adams]

I think the reason why I would have been suspicious of that if I had been there would have been like, normally the plan of action is you do the round table and then you wait in the bar area to be taken back home. But if you were. If you were like. They were like, go, enjoy the castle. I'd be like, something's going on. This is not normally what we.

[Dolores Catania]

What we're doing, unfortunately, I don't remember. But that's a really good question. And. And we're going to have to ask. Put that note that.

[Wells Adams]

So Jeremy, Nikki and Sierra have been shortlisted for murder. They have to lay in the coffins. Jeremy suspects Danielle is a traitor who wanted him murdered, which was very right. But for his final words, he says he'll work with the traders if they keep him around.

[Dolores Catania]

I felt so bad for him. Oh, my go. I'm like, all I could think about is when this airs, the firemen are going to rip him apart because he's a fireman and he, like, folded. Like. Sierra's like, I'm going to fucking kill you, traitors. You could go fuck yourself. And then Nikki's like, the reason to keep me around is because I'm athletic. And she went on to say all the reasons to keep her around. And then Jeremy's like, he got. He choked up, he got nervous and he like kind of folded, you know, he's like, I'll work with you, just let me live. And I'm like, this isn't real. What are you doing to yourself? Don't do this. Oh, my God, I felt terrible. Wow. You don't even know because, like, you can't do that. I can't be a rat.

[Wells Adams]

You can't be a rat. I think one of the smart things that traders did in this is not put a trader in the box because I think that you're. Your tendency would be, I want to throw in a trader in there so then they can use it as like, well, I'm not a traitor. They tried to kill me in the coffin thing. And by not doing that, I think it put a lot of suspicion on everyone that went in.

[Dolores Catania]

So it put them on everybody since anybody that was in those coffins. Because in the past, one of the traders was in the coffins.

[Wells Adams]

I know. That's what I'm saying.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, so. So it was smart because now the reason Nikki and Sierra were absolutely voted out was because they were in the coffin.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, totally. 100 Jeremy's the one that ends up going home. Which should have been. It should have been more of a red flag about Danielle, I feel like, than it was because it was obvious that he was going after.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. And it. And it definitely should have been. For some reason it wasn't, but it was before. He was very vocal about her. He only confided in Carolyn that I had seen maybe somebody else. But because Danielle was very careful to keep Britney around, anybody who would put a potentially point a finger at her or would say, oh, if they're gone, it's because. So that's why Britney was kept around for as long as she was.

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[Wells Adams]

At breakfast. The next morning, Gabby reveals her suspicions of Danielle. Seems like, you know, the walls are closing in. Robin decides to address everyone at breakfast and asks who was in the bookcase last night. Danielle admits she and Dylan were there, which he confirms. And so then Gabby's back to square one and.

[Dolores Catania]

Right.

[Wells Adams]

I don't know what's going on. I wish that Dylan hadn't gone in to that bookshelf.

[Dolores Catania]

That was such a. That totally cleared Danielle from what everyone thought. Yeah, that was it. So Dylan unknowingly saved Danielle's ass.

[Wells Adams]

Absolutely. For the challenge. You got 45 minutes to reconstruct these massive statues. This looked like this. This mat. This mission sucked.

[Dolores Catania]

It was so hard. Yeah, it was so. But during this mission, there was some fight over some shields. We did not. We did it unanimous. Derek was on my team. He knew that they were after him. He needed the shield. We gave it to him.

[Wells Adams]

This is the moment that kind of solidifies Bob the Drag Queen's banishment. Or he says something. It's a throwaway line for him, but it's the thing that Rob needed by saying that, like, one of the guys in the cages are probably a traitor. And that puts. I. I just think that Rob wanted to get rid of Bob the Drag Queen. He was like, I. I think I need to be the one in the turret that is kind of delegating everything. And this personality is too big. And he finally got something. And he was able to, like, furious.

[Dolores Catania]

When he said that. Yeah, Boston Rob's face. If you watch it when he says that, he could. He would have punched him in the face. Like, oh, yeah, that Italian temper kicked in Quick. I think that he was looking for something because I didn't see anything. Him saying anything so wrong, like that wasn't the worst thing somebody could say. They could have had it out about it. He wanted him dead.

[Wells Adams]

I like, listen, there's no question that Boston Rob is very smart. And him doing this, I think actually was really, really smart. He knew that Dylan was on to Bob the Drag Queen. He probably had a thought that I'm Boston Rob. People are going to think I'm a traitor. So if I team up with Dylan, get this traitor out, then I have deniability to say I was one who got this guy out. I can't be a traitor. But he does make one fatal flaw where he says in the round table, going against Bob the Drag Queen, he says, you're a hundred percent a traitor. And Wes is the person who catch. Who catches on to that by saying, how's the. What's the only way that you know that someone's 100. A traitor.

[Dolores Catania]

To be a traitor.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Is the one thing. I think it was his one slip up. The entire.

[Dolores Catania]

Wes and Derek were after Boston Rob anyway.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Because they had to know, listen, I've watched Wes on the Challenge for years. He's really, really smart. And they had to know that, like, surely one of us is going to be a traitor. And Wes and Wes and both Derek both were like, well, it's not me, so it's got to be Rob, you know, so they.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

You know, like they had the thing that way. Anyways, the round table. Derek calls out Sierra because she was in a coffin and swearing wearing a lot. It's like, have you watched it's at.

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[Dolores Catania]

Like, of course, Derek. That's how we all talk at Bravo. What do you mean? This is how we articulate ourselves. Sorry. Get more into the Bravo world.

[Wells Adams]

It's a sign of. Studies say that cussing a lot is a sign of high intelligence, actually.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, you're welcome. But Rob's not having any of it. He's like, listen, we gotta be. We gotta be getting on Bob the Drag Queen, who's the guy who's been quarterbacking the whole show. Bob and Rob start going at each other's throats. Dylan stands up for Rob, which Dylan does for a lot of this season.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, they're still having them. They make out all the time. I see more tick tocks with them together, skipping and holding hands.

[Wells Adams]

I'm like, guys, I've just reverted to commenting on all of those videos.

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[Dolores Catania]

Just let it happen, guys.

[Wells Adams]

Let's do it. Come on.

[Dolores Catania]

We're here for it. We all support you. It's okay.

[Wells Adams]

It's time to vote. Most the faithfuls and the traitors vote for Bob the Drag Queen. Before Bob leaves, he puts on.

[Dolores Catania]

I was the first vote, by the way.

[Wells Adams]

You were.

[Dolores Catania]

I was.

[Wells Adams]

Was that hard for you to vote for him?

[Dolores Catania]

No, no. I knew. I knew that he was. I was very, very. I almost switched my boat. I was. Me and Bob Harper were sitting next to each other, and he was like, what are you doing? But because I have to tell you. You know what? I'll tell you after we're done, after we talk about his speech on his way out.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. Yeah. So he, you know, he puts on absolutely fantastic show. He says that, you know, he says before, like, I swear to God, I'm not ice.

[Dolores Catania]

And he's pounding his. And he's getting worked up, and he's being dramatic and theatrical, and he's. I swear on God, I will never tell a lie, but I will tell a truth. And he said a lot of. And he was like, people were like, getting nervous, like they're shitting their past. Like, oh, my God, he's really saying this with such conviction. However, I'll leave you with this. And it's a behind the scenes thing. So his mom had passed away sadly, and he. And it was a week to the day that he came to Scotland from her funeral, was very close with his mother, and he would start to have serious meltdowns. And right before that roundtable, he started to get. Have a meltdown and get worked up because he also started to hear his name being thrown around. Like he feels like it's closing in on him. I can't imagine as a traitor when, you know, it's like the end of your little stint here. So me and Robin put our dishes down and we try to walk it off with him. And Robin knows about sports, and Robin's smart as well. Well, and he. And we try to talk to him about different things. Well, I don't really know a lot about a lot of things. So I'm like, well, let me talk to him about religion. So I said, you know, do you have a strong faith, Rob? He's like, I don't believe in that.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So now he's at the round table and he's pounding his hand. I swear on God. I swear on God. Now I know he's lying because he just told me.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

But he told me in a Vulnerable position. Wells, he told me. And here I am looking at this kid like I have a son. What if he was crying over me? God forbid. I can't throw this in his face right now. But it. But the votes were going his way anyway, so they didn't need me to do that. So after it's all over and he gets up and he says his speech, I don't believe in God. And he leaves and I go, well, he did tell me. And then Tom's like, why didn't you say something? You should have brought that out. And I'm like, you know what? I have a son. I couldn't do it to him. He told me confidence when he was crying over his mother.

[Wells Adams]

And also, if you concede the tide turning anyways, there's no point in it, right? Like, he's going to be going home. I don't need to pile on.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't need to do something I didn't need to do. I would have done something that I felt was wrong and just morally wrong, you know, so it was enough. Tom, the.

[Wells Adams]

The thing that he. That bonded drag queen says that would have made me question is when he says, like, I'll tell you nine words. And then he, like, goes on his thing, I would have been like, how did you know it was nine words? Unless you, like, thought like, you thought about this, right?

[Dolores Catania]

Your exit speech didn't happen. You didn't think about your exit speech. If you didn't, you did a damn good job. You're still. You were still in the top.

[Wells Adams]

I didn't think I was gonna get banished in the second episode. There's no way I was thinking that way. But he was like, you. Nine words. I'd have been like, nine words. One, two, three. That's amazing. Anyways, he's the one who goes. He's got a. He's got a fantastic exit, to be honest with you. And it must have felt really, really nice to finally get a trader out.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, it felt great. You know, you get nervous because Alan starts putting pressure. He's like, guys, come on, come on. They're winning. What are you doing? They're making you all look like jerks and you feel like a jerk. Especially when you're voting out people you were close to. When you're wrong or especially, you know, this had to happen tonight. There was no more room to get another. Another roundtable wrong. Another banishment wrong. There was no room. You don't know how terrible you feel. Starting with you, who everyone loved. And then it was just Bad.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Well, congratulations. You guys finally got out a trader. And then it kind of ends with Wes again. We talked about this earlier, but realizing that you can only be 100 sure someone's a trader. Unless you're a trader yourself, which is kind of the beginning of the end of Boston.

[Dolores Catania]

Boston Rob. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. And that is the episode. So, yeah, I'm excited for the next one.

[Dolores Catania]

Me too. I'm glad it's getting good now. Once they get out of Trader, it starts to roll.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm. Now that I'm off the show, my anxiety of watching it is over. And now it's just fun to watch along. Programming note. I'm excited to announce that the next episode we have will be an interview with Lord Ivar, which is going to be very, very fun for everyone.

[Dolores Catania]

He's a great guy. He has the best, most contagious laugh ever.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I, I loved him. I, I liked getting to know him. I was. Side note about Lord Ivar is I thought he was definitely a traitor. You did. For some reason after, when we took the masks off, I, I, when I looked at him, he looked like he had seen a ghost. He looked like he was freaking out. And I was like, that's an interesting thing to be exuding. And I was like, surely he's a traitor. My. Do you want to know? My thought was. My thought was, he's a traitor. I'm going to become best friends with him. He's going to shield me the entire season.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that was a good thought. I mean. Yeah, just pick the wrong guy.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Unfortunately, he was not a traitor. He did not shield me. And I went out the next episode.

[Dolores Catania]

But anyway, we still want you back. Yeah, we still need. I, I would give anything to go back and play differently, but.

[Wells Adams]

Well, here's the thing. You know, the game is razor thin. As you know, in the beginning of this episode, they're up in the turret and you might be the one that got kicked out, you know, more than once. Yeah. So you never know. You gotta live the fight another day. Fun episode. If you're not following us on social media, please do at By Order of the Faithfuls on Instagram. DM us there, send us videos and questions and we can answer them here on the show. Like I said, the next episode, we're going to be talking to Lord Ivar and then we will be doing episodes five and six, and then we are inching closer to season four and we'll.

[Dolores Catania]

Be watching it together. So season four, remember, we're going to talk about this together and I think season four, we should have some. Some fans like write in or come on even. Yeah, I'm gonna. Let's do a Tick Tock. I want to do like a Tick Tock. How do we reach to the traders people? A lot of people don't know about us yet.

[Wells Adams]

I know we should do a tick tock.

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[Wells Adams]

I got a lot. I'm sure. Do you have a large following on Tick Tock?

[Dolores Catania]

I haven't looked. I don't know. It's not. I have probably not as big as yours. Tick tock isn't my strong point. I have a million something on. Yeah, Instagram. But.

[Wells Adams]

Well, let's do it and then let's both do it. We'll put it out together.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay.

[Wells Adams]

You know.

[Dolores Catania]

All right. Sounds good.

[Wells Adams]

All right everyone, thanks for listening to the show and don't forget to like subscribe and tell your friends and we'll be back next week for all you faithfuls and traders out there. See ya.

[Dolores Catania]

See ya.

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