By Order of the Faithfuls: Winner, Winner w/ Trishelle Cannatella

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: By Order of the Faithfuls: Winner, Winner w/ Trishelle Cannatella
Date: October 31, 2025
Guest: Trishelle Cannatella
Hosts: Wells Adams, Tamra Judge, Dolores Catania
(Note: Teddi Mellencamp is referenced but does not appear in the transcripted conversation)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "By Order of the Faithfuls" recaps Season 2 of The Traitors, focusing on guest Trishelle Cannatella’s experience as a contestant and ultimate winner. Amid banter and reality TV nostalgia, Trishelle discusses gameplay strategies, relationships with castmates, and behind-the-scenes insights. The discussion includes reflections on her competitive drive, cast dynamics, and thoughts on future reality TV projects.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trishelle’s Reality TV Journey & Persona

• Playboy Surprise: The hosts start with a lighthearted revelation about Trishelle having posed for Playboy, which some co-hosts didn’t previously know.
  • (03:06) Trishelle: “It's not something that I tell people or brag about.”
  • (03:23) Wells: “You should.”
• Living the Southern Life: Trishelle shares about her recent busy weekend and her support for LSU, highlighting her down-to-earth roots.
  • (03:42) Trishelle: “I’m from Louisiana, so we’re just LSU people.”

2. Strategy & Experience on The Traitors

• Gameplan Gone Awry: Trishelle originally intended to keep a low profile but found herself unable to stay quiet due to her competitive nature.
  • (04:39) Trishelle: “My plan was to lay low until the middle and... then kind of amp it up. But it just sort of happened that way. I guess I just can't keep my mouth shut.”
• Emotional Volatility: Her outspoken approach also resulted in nightly anxiety about being “murdered” out of the game.
  • (05:04) Tamra: “She was outspoken and worried every single night that she was maybe murdered. Oh yeah, you lost it.”
• Relationship with CT (Chris Tamburello):
  • Trishelle describes her journey from suspicion to trust with CT, noting his savvy gameplay and the emotional rollercoaster, including a moment where she almost voted him out.
    • (06:39) Wells: “Did you ever think that he could be a traitor?”
    • (06:39) Trishelle: “Yes. Yes, very much so... There were definite moments that I felt like he was, and it made me spiral even more.”
  • The hosts probe if her on-screen emotional moments were strategic or genuine:
    • (07:54) Wells: “Was it a little bit of gameplay?”
    • (07:54) Trishelle: “No, I really felt that way. You get to a point where you feel alone... and so I felt like he was my good friend, and it hurt my feelings.”
  • At the final ceremony, she was moved by CT’s reaction and reversed her vote.
    • (09:01) Trishelle: “I changed because I saw how he was tearing up, and he was, like, about to start crying, and I was just like, oh my god.”

3. Cast & Social Dynamics

• Dealing with Annoying Players: John is described as “most annoying” and “long-winded” during roundtables.
  • (14:25) Trishelle: “Let me correct you. John wasn’t annoyed. He was annoying.”
• Phaedra’s Masterful Play: Phaedra's social savvy impressed Trishelle and the hosts—a lawyer who leveraged warmth and subtlety.
  • (15:16) Trishelle: “She was so poised at the roundtable and able to spin it around on someone else in a way that was just masterful.”
• Dan’s Downfall: Dan from Big Brother failed to provide names until it was too late, which they all agree made him look suspicious.
  • (15:46) Trishelle: “I was just like, you played the crappiest game ever.”
• Surviving Online Backlash: Both Trishelle and the hosts reflect on receiving hate, including death threats after the show.
  • (19:19) Dolores: “You read your death threats like the paper for breakfast.”
  • (19:23) Trishelle: “I got off Twitter. I was just like, I'm done.”
• Reunion Fallout: There was lingering resentment at the reunion, particularly from MJ and Peppermint.
  • (18:55) Dolores: “She came into that reunion, barrels loaded…”

4. Post-Show Reflection & Future Plans

• What She Would Do Differently: Trishelle would try to have more fun and “spiral less.”
  • (16:57) Trishelle: “I would have probably enjoyed it more and spiraled less… I was just so uptight, and I was writing notes, and I was crazy.”
• Advice to Future Contestants: "Be yourself. That's it." (17:30)
• Willingness to Return: Okay with coming back for an All-Star edition, but aware the win makes her a future target (21:09).
• Picks for Early Departures: She wishes Bananas and Marcus stayed longer for their fun energy (19:41).
• All-Star Theories: The hosts predict a winners-only season might be in the works (21:18).

5. Reality TV Industry & Personal Life Updates

• Maintaining Marriage & Independence: Trishelle highlights trust with her pilot husband, noting mutual independence given their travel schedules.
  • (13:35) Trishelle: “I have to kind of be cool with him, and he’s cool with me. I don’t track his location. I don’t do any of that stuff.”
• Future TV Prospects:
  • Frequently asked back to MTV/Challenge but declines due to low pay (28:47).
  • Working on a pilot centered around her life and friends in New Orleans, with an entrepreneurial, philanthropic lifestyle.
  • (29:20) Trishelle: “I’ve been interviewing for a show around my friends and I in New Orleans…”
• Favorite Reality City: New Orleans gets several shout-outs, praised for food, art, and culture (30:04).

6. Upcoming Season Predictions

• Season 4 of The Traitors:
  • Notable cast: Rob from Survivor, Steven from Laguna Beach, Natalie from Amazing Race, Donna Kelce (Travis and Jason’s mom), several Real Housewives.
  • Trishelle expects Candace to do well, sees Lisa Rinna going out early, admires the casting choices. (25:52-26:38)
  • She discusses the importance of cross-group alliances, referencing their season’s Housewives “grouping” dynamic (26:15).

7. Memorable Moments & Banter

• Trishelle’s Crush on Wells:
  • (31:08) Trishelle: “I had the biggest crush on you ever.”
  • (31:13) Wells: “Really?”
• Poker Players as Potential Cast: Suggests Daniel Negreanu or Phil Hellmuth, lauding their skill at deception as an edge (32:26).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Trishelle on Playing The Traitors:
  • “My plan was to lay low until the middle and... then kind of amp it up. But it just sort of happened that way. I guess I just can't keep my mouth shut.” (04:39)
• Trishelle on Emotional Gameplay:
  • “No, I really felt that way. You get to a point where you feel alone... and so I felt like he was my good friend, and it hurt my feelings.” (07:54)
• On Phaedra’s Gameplay:
  • “She was so poised at the roundtable and able to spin it around on someone else in a way that was just masterful.” (15:16)
• On online backlash:
  • “I got off Twitter. I was just like, I'm done.” (19:23)
• On future participation:
  • “After you win a show, it puts a target on your back to go back. But I would.” (21:09)
• On being true to herself:
  • “That's my personality and that's why I rub people the wrong way.” (17:45)
• Wells to Trishelle:
  • “My pick is Wells to win. I really thought that you were going to win.” (23:01)

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• 04:39 – Trishelle discusses her intended versus actual strategy
• 06:39–09:01 – Relationship with CT, suspicion, and the turning point
• 13:35 – Marriage, trust, and independence with her husband
• 14:25–15:16 – John’s annoying gameplay and Phaedra’s skill
• 16:57–17:45 – Lessons learned and personal reflection
• 18:55–19:23 – Reunion drama and reactions to hate
• 21:09 – Returning for an All-Star edition and thoughts on casting
• 25:52–26:38 – Season 4 predictions and cast analysis
• 28:47–29:41 – Reality TV opportunities and New Orleans project
• 31:08–31:32 – Trishelle’s on-air Wells Adams confession
• 32:26–33:00 – Suggestions for poker players as future contestants

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is upbeat, candid, and sometimes self-deprecating, with plenty of inside jokes, honest reflections, and supportive camaraderie typical of veteran reality TV participants. The hosts and guest blend playful teasing with genuine insights about competition, fame, and friendship in the reality TV world.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode delivers a behind-the-scenes look at The Traitors Season 2 with winner Trishelle Cannatella, exploring strategic dynamics, relationships that shaped the outcome, and the emotional toll of high-stakes competition. Trishelle’s warmth and openness, paired with frank discussion from Tamra and Dolores, make for an engaging and revealing conversation about reality TV’s pressures, the importance of authenticity, and why she’d (probably) do it all again.

Perfect listen for: Reality TV fans, aspiring contestants, or anyone curious about the off-camera realities of competitive shows.

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Transcript

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[B]

All right, welcome back all you traitors and faithfuls to by order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells Adams. I'm alongside Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania.

[D]

Hi.

[B]

Very excited about today's episode because we have truly one of the greats of reality TV and reality TV competition shows joining us. I mean, probably best known as the red hot redneck from her from her wrestling days. Our guest today is an American reality TV personality, model, actress and poker player known for appearances on the Real World, the Traitors and the Challenge. Trishell has appeared on other reality shows like Surreal Life, Kill Reality Punk, Fear Factor and so many more. And of course, spoiler alert, she does very, very well in season two of the Traitors, of which we are currently recapping. Welcome to the show Trishell by the.

[F]

Way, I just learned something new reading her bio here. Nude for Playboy magazine.

[D]

Oh, girl.

[F]

Trishell, I've known you for a while. Never knew that you posed nude for Playboy magazine.

[C]

Yes, finally.

[F]

If you did tell me that, I forgot. Which was?

[D]

I didn't forget that.

[C]

I mean, it's not something that I tell people or brag about.

[B]

You should.

[F]

It was here in your bio.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Damn, girl. How are you? You?

[C]

I'm good. I had friends in town. Huge football weekend. Just like living my best southern life.

[D]

Happy?

[C]

Wait, I am.

[B]

Michelle, who do you support in the South?

[C]

Oh, lsu. We were actually on the field for the LSU game, but you know what? We suck. But we just got rid of the coach yesterday. Brian, today.

[D]

I saw that on the news.

[B]

Did you go to lsu?

[C]

No, I went to USM because I had a trust track scholarship, but I'm from Louisiana, so we're just LSU people.

[B]

I went to Ole Miss and guys are trying to steal our coach now and I'm very upset about it.

[F]

Uhoh.

[C]

I know. Oh God. So that's common knowledge. Okay. People know that. Oh yeah, we hope to get him. He's great.

[B]

I. I hope not. Let's. Let's talk about season two of Traders. I mean, we've been recapping it and what a fun season to watch and most importantly, what a fun cast you guys had. I'm wondering if, you know, when you came into this season, you're very outspoken and I imagine. Actually, I don't know, was that your plan going into this of being outspoken on the show?

[C]

No, it was not. My plan was to lay low until the middle and then if I lasted that long, then kind of amp it up. But it just sort of happened that way. I guess I just can't keep my mouth shut. That's why some people can't, especially with like competition shows. I'm very competitive and so, yeah, it kind of happened like that by accident.

[B]

Oops.

[F]

Yes, she was outspoken and worried every single night that she was maybe murdered. Oh yeah, you lost it.

[D]

I mean, not too many people in your position la do as well as you did.

[F]

By the way, two out of the four here are winners.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Two losers.

[D]

Wait, only one of us posed in Playboy. So used it. I don't think there's a hard to figure that one out.

[F]

You can make it. I'll take pictures of you and I'll send men.

[C]

Do they still do? Yes, they still do.

[D]

Playboy.

[C]

I don't even know.

[B]

I didn't play. Girl, you did not.

[C]

You didn't well, you liar.

[D]

Not that we didn't think you couldn't.

[B]

Yeah. What are you guys trying to say?

[D]

I do question it.

[A]

I'm not.

[B]

I'm not a dow enough to be able to do that.

[F]

We don't know.

[D]

We're not to ask.

[F]

Might be an HR issue.

[B]

Yeah. Trishell, I want to talk to you about your relationship with ct, because it was almost like a roller coaster of emotion this season, you know, like, you. You guys kind of. In the beginning, you were, like, mending fences, and by the end of it, you guys were thick as thieves. When I watch CT on this season of Traders, as a fan of the Challenge, I know that he's very savvy. He's very, very good at this, and he plays this kind of like, I don't know what's going on role for a lot of the season. I imagine you picked up on that. Was there any time that you thought. Because if I was on that season, I'd have been like, he would be a very good trader because he's kind of. And he can play this dumb card. Did you ever think that he could be a traitor?

[C]

Yes. Yes, very much so. Especially whenever he, like, slyly pointed me toward the shield on one of the later challenges. I was like, why wouldn't he want this for himself? I was like, that's weird. He's giving traitor right now. Like, he doesn't want it for himself because he's a traitor. He's not going to murder himself. So there were definite moments that I felt like he was, and it made me spiral even more than I already was spiraling. But did you.

[D]

Did he do that? I can't remember. Did he do that on camera or did he do that? Like, I don't remember seeing him do that.

[C]

It wasn't because we were in that tunnel. It was, like, hard. They couldn't really film it. It was just stationary cameras. But he did tell me. He was just like, there's a shield in there. I think they might have shown that part, but it was, like, very quick, and so I went and got it. But, yeah, there was it after.

[D]

He didn't give you the shield during the light tor searching.

[C]

Yes. So that's why he was trying to make up for when I freaked out that night.

[B]

I don't think of that night. You did freak out, but there was a part of me that was like, is she doing this for, like, emotional equity for him, or did you really feel that way? Like, I. I wondered if it was a little bit of Gameplay.

[C]

No, I really felt that way. I believed you felt very, very hurt. And because you get to a point where you feel alone, you. You know, Dolores, you've been there for a long time. You feel kind of, like, lonely, and you don't know who. And so I felt like he was my good friend, and I was just, like. It hurt my feelings. And it also hurt my feelings. It made me feel like he thought I was stupid and, like, disposable. It made me feel like he felt like I was unintelligent because he made a comment about John and how John could help him so much more in.

[D]

The game than me. And then you felt bad.

[C]

It made me feel bad about myself.

[D]

Oh, it hurts my feelings for you right now when you're saying it. When you're saying it.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

But even all the way down to the end when the. The ceremony. What's. What's the last ceremony? The fire ceremony.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

You wrote his name down.

[C]

I did.

[F]

You wanted him out.

[C]

Listen, I gave it to MJ right there on a platter. I don't know why she was so mad at me. I'm like, girl, I told you I was gonna take you to the end. And so, like, I did write his name down because I thought he might have been a traitor. More so than I thought, mj.

[F]

But then you changed, right?

[C]

I changed because I know C. T. And I saw his reaction when I wrote his name down, and he started to tear up a little bit, and I was like, oh, no, he's really not a traitor.

[F]

Oh. So it was at that moment because I always wondered why you changed.

[C]

Oh, I changed because I saw how he was tearing up, and he was, like, about to start crying, and I was just like, oh, my God. But, like, I know him.

[D]

It was like a love story, Trisha.

[C]

I mean, that's what Andy Cohen said. And I was like, you guys, I promise, we never hooked up. Even when we were drunk in Mexico on spring break. Like, never. We could have.

[D]

I don't know if I believe. Leave you anymore.

[F]

Are you still super close with ct?

[C]

I am, yeah. I am. We talk on Instagram and stuff and, like, call each other every once in a while, but, like, whenever we talk, it's like an hour long, like, conversation that I'm like, wait, what do we just even talk about? I don't even know, but I'm trying to get out.

[D]

Do you have a boyfriend? I just have to ask you.

[C]

No, I'm married.

[D]

Oh, married. Okay. I didn't know. Yeah, I did know that because I'm like, oh, my God, how's she gonna go home after they won? And he, like, throws her on the. On the big pile.

[E]

No.

[C]

Yeah. No. I'm married. But also, my husband is, like, the coolest guy ever. I was just gonna say that. The coolest guy. He's very, trust me, laid back. And he knows that I'm a flirt.

[D]

And I love that. Oh, God. Okay.

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[B]

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[C]

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[D]

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[F]

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[B]

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[F]

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[B]

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[D]

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[F]

So I met John when Teddy and I went to New Orleans.

[D]

Oh, recently. Last year.

[F]

Well, days before Teddi was diagnosed with, you know, cancer. And Trishell was with her when she fell down the stairs because she lost her balance and that's when we started to get concerned. So she. She was all there. She was a part of it.

[C]

Well, the craziest thing is that you kept telling me, Tamara. You were like, I know that you don't know Teddy well, but she's acting so different. Something is very off. And she was, like, staring off. Like, now that I look back on that night, we. I was like, we should have known that there were signs and everything because my mom had a brain tumor, too. And it's very similar, off balance, everything. Yeah, it was kind of crazy, but.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah. That was, what, 10 months ago? Yeah, 10 months ago. Yeah, but. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean change the mood there, but I know.

[C]

Yeah, but you did meet my sweet husband. He was just like, I'll be sober driver and drive you girls wherever you need to go.

[D]

I like him, and I love that he handles your. You could be. Have relationships and be fun and friends with guys. That's really nice.

[F]

I love that. Travel all the time.

[C]

He's a pilot. We have to have a lot of trust in our relationship because he goes everywhere he. He's gone right now for a whole week. I mean, he. Yeah. So I have to kind of be cool with him, and he's cool with me. I don't track his location. I don't do any of that stuff.

[D]

We're good.

[B]

Speaking of pilots, we got to talk about Pete.

[C]

Peter, my guy. Yeah.

[B]

You know, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this second season where somehow, some way, they were able to switch the heat back on Peter and away from Phaedra. Tell me what.

[C]

Good.

[B]

Tell me what it was like to be in that. Because that roundtable, it seemed like. Like John was annoyed. CT afterwards was like, whatever makes you sleep at night. Like, it seemed like you guys were so annoyed. How did it feel in the castle when Peter finally got murdered? Or bad.

[C]

Okay, well, let me. Let me correct you. John wasn't annoyed. He was annoying. Tamara knows.

[F]

Oh, God, yes.

[C]

Most annoying person ever. He's so long winded. Anyway, Peter, I was so frustrated because the whole time I was like, oh, my God, Phaedra's good. She's good. She's gonna have everybody. But, like, people really weren't thinking in the game aspect, I guess. And they just liked Phaedra so much and kind of just thought Peter and us were the problem. So you can't change people's minds at some point.

[F]

Did you ever suspect Phaedra?

[C]

Yeah, I did.

[F]

Yeah, so did I.

[C]

100.

[F]

I remember she would never talk about the game? Never.

[C]

No, she didn't.

[F]

She would pray over you, she would hug you, she would fix your shirt. She would do all the things she.

[C]

Was great at the round table. And, like, obviously she's a lawyer, and she's, like, sat on the housewives couch. Like, you guys at. Yes, you guys are awesome. But she's just was so poised at the roundtable and able to spin it around on someone else in a way that was just masterful.

[F]

Yeah. Well, Dan, like, did a number to himself by putting Phaedra's name on that chalkboard. He really screwed up right there.

[C]

I thought.

[D]

Not even in her league.

[C]

I expected more from Dan. I'm a fan of Big Brother. I was just like, you played the crappiest game ever, but you did.

[F]

Did you think possibly he did that because he knew no matter what, he was going to go and he was trying to give everybody else a message, like, Phaedra.

[C]

Yes, I think that's why he did that. But his mistake was that he never wanted to give a name before then until he was, like, about to go home. And I was just like, give us a name, please. Like, you're just making yourself look so suspicious. And I pulled him aside and I told him that, and he was just like, well, you'll know whenever it happens. And I'm like, okay. And then I was just like, I don't know what to say to you. I'm voting you out. Like, you have to be a trainer.

[B]

Major kind of did the same thing, though, you know, kind of at the end, in that last. That last breakfast that you all had, CT finally says, like, do you suspect anyone? And she kind of doesn't give an answer, which I feel like was a little bit of a kiss of death. I. I'm wondering, you know, obviously things went very, very well for you in this season, but is there anything that you would have done differently, or will you play the game differently if you're invited back?

[C]

Probably not. I would have probably enjoyed it more and spiraled less and been more, had more fun. Like, Tamara knows. I was just so, like, uptight, and I was writing notes, and I was crazy. I had, like, the string on my walls.

[D]

It was. Oh, you did it.

[C]

But I was one of those girls.

[D]

Yeah, I never did that.

[C]

I kind of lost my mind, and I was just taking such crazy notes and all this other stuff CT just skated through. He had the best time ever. He had fun, and I feel like I didn't really get to have fun, and I don't know, but you're competitive.

[D]

And you take things serious. Isn't that in, like, life? That's part of your character. You can't. I feel like in any of these shows, unscripted, to go and being yourself. Right. Because yourself is what got you there. So my advice to everyone is just be yourself. That's it.

[C]

Yeah, I guess that is kind of my personality and that's why I rub people the wrong way.

[D]

I like that.

[C]

That is me.

[F]

At the very end, when you win the fire pit ceremony, whatever. Yeah. Did you really think there was a trader there? Or you're like, I just don't want to split the money three ways?

[C]

No, I really, honestly thought. I mean, you guys, we don't. It's not life changing money. It's not enough to look as bad as how we were perceived, to be honest. No. I really thought that CT was a traitor. That's why I wrote his name down. Because Alan keeps on messing with you. He's like, if there's. If you have one little doubt, one doubt in your mind. And I was like, actually, I do have a doubt. I have, like 2% chance that CT might be a traitor.

[F]

And so MJ still pissed off at you?

[C]

I don't know, girl. She had me blocked on Instagram. I quit looking a long time ago. I don't anymore.

[D]

Yeah, she came into that reunion barrels loaded, both barrels low. She was pissed at that. And I'm like, oh, the housewives here. When I was watching your reunion and she came in and she was like, ready to go. Like, she. I go, oh, your guys are in trouble.

[C]

She was mad. I thought that we would go in and people would be like, congratulations, True Shell and ct, you played a great game. Instead, everyone hated us. They were so mad. Peppermint was pissed. MJ was pissed. Johnny was still mad.

[F]

He was texting me. I haven't been on reality TV in so long. Like, is it normal to get, like, death threats on housewives? That's nothing.

[D]

Breakfast. You get your. Yeah, you read your death threats, like, the paper for breakf.

[C]

Like, Tamra was such a good friend to me. I was crying and she was like, oh, girl, you need to get thicker skin. I was like, yeah. I mean, it was. It was nuts. I got off Twitter. I was just like, I'm done.

[F]

Yeah, you have to. Who do you think banished or got murdered too early? Who could play a great game?

[D]

That's a good question.

[C]

To be honest, I wish that banana stayed a little bit longer because he was fun and I like fun people in the House. Like, we could have, like, gotten rid of good tv. Sorry. I know you guys are friends with her. I just didn't find her fun. And I wish Marcus would have stayed longer as well.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, that's nice.

[C]

I really.

[D]

She's coming for you, Michelle. You'll hear from here tomorrow.

[F]

We can. No, she come for me.

[D]

She's coming for all three of us at Four Wells. You're in on it, too. Now all four of us are in trouble. That's fine.

[F]

She wasn't friendly to you?

[A]

No.

[C]

No, she wasn't.

[F]

I didn't notice that.

[C]

But everybody else was lovely, y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

Sheree is, like, one of my favorite people. She. Everybod online was like, does she even know that she's, like, in Scotland playing a game? I mean, she was just like, in her own.

[F]

She got. She got upset with me. I've always been very close to Charay, and she got upset with me because I said something similar to that on watch what happens live. Not saying that she didn't play a good game or anything like that, but the Charay I know is so outspoken. She was pretty quiet.

[D]

Well, she's a Capricorn. We have the same birthday. Oh, you do?

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

So I. So I guess that's. Well, that must be it then.

[C]

She was very quiet, but golly, she could kick everybody's ass in physical competitions. I was completely.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

By her physical ability.

[F]

Girl is ripped.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Would you go back all star?

[C]

I would, but I think, like, after you win a show and that it puts a target on your back to go back. But I would.

[F]

I think. I think what will happen. I mean, they're going to run out of reality people sooner or later. Come on. But they're going to take 20 the winners and they're gonna put them on a show together. So you guys were all winners.

[C]

I would love to do. I don't know if y' all watch the UK season with Harry, the young guy. That was a traitor.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

He was so good.

[F]

Yeah. You did hear they're doing another Traders.

[D]

With just, I hate to say a non celebrity.

[C]

Non celebrities.

[F]

I never know what to say. Common folk.

[D]

Normal people.

[C]

Is there. Is there.

[D]

Is there a correct term?

[C]

Non Television personalities.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Or athletes or whatever. Yes. And I had the perfect person. I've been trying to tell her to apply and she's kind of like. And I'm like, yeah, but you're the person who would get picked because if you don't really want it, they want that.

[F]

Yeah. That's how I got on Housewives.

[D]

So who?

[C]

Yes.

[F]

So many people that have reached out to me that are like, can you get me on?

[D]

And I'm like, they want it bad. This is like, yeah, people want to go on this show. So they. They love it so much. And to be honest, it was the best time of my life.

[C]

It was so much fun. I agree. It was my favorite show that I've ever done. It was just laid back, cool. I. I liked it. I mean, well, I cried when I left.

[D]

Like, I didn't want to leave.

[F]

I couldn't wanna leave soon enough.

[D]

I said, can I stay?

[B]

I don't even think I was on the show.

[F]

You, like, you went through customs and you went home.

[D]

I think Wells should. I think Wells should go back.

[B]

Well, hold on. If you' saying there should be an All Star season, can there be, like, a reject season with me and Johnny Bananas?

[C]

But that will be part of All Stars. People that went too early, like you and Bananas. You know what? Wells is so funny. I was talking to one of the guys from Peacock who I was friends with for a while back, and I said, he's like, who do you think is going to do well? And I said, my pick is Wells to win. I really thought that you were going to win.

[B]

Wells really let you down. I'm sorry.

[C]

I hate that. I just don't understand how you of early. Yeah, I mean, it sucks, but, like, I thought you were. I was like, he's smart, he's likable, very under the radar. I was like, he could be a good trader. No one would suspect that, like, I. You were my pick.

[B]

Well, I'm sorry to disappoint. Speaking of being a traitor, like, do you think you have that in you to. To be that person?

[C]

I thought so. When I was there, I was like, oh, I would have done great. But when I watched it, I was like, no way I could keep up with all the lies day after day. I mean, like, Phaedra got tired toward the end. I don't know if y' all saw that on the season, but by the.

[D]

End, like, her lashes were hanging this way.

[C]

Yes, she was.

[D]

And her hair was just not the same. And she was tired. And she also had a torn ace some type of injury.

[F]

Oh, she did?

[D]

Yeah. And she still did her challenges with that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow. I did not know that.

[D]

That.

[F]

Now, do you have any predictions for season four?

[C]

Did they announce people?

[F]

Yes.

[D]

Well, Dorinda went back.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You've got Rob from Survivor. You've got Steven from Laguna Beach.

[F]

Oh, Natalie from Amazing Race.

[B]

Donna Kelce. Travis and Jason's mom.

[C]

That's interesting. Okay, that's cool.

[F]

You got a couple housewives. Candace Dillard. Dorinda came back.

[D]

Lisa Reyna.

[B]

Lisa.

[F]

Portia Williams.

[D]

Oh, Carolyn Caroline Stanberry.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Michael Rapaport.

[F]

Oh, that's Johnny Weir.

[C]

Hot Topic. Olympic skater.

[F]

There's a lot.

[C]

That's a great cast.

[F]

The Donna, Kelsey, Travis and Jason's mom. I didn't understand that one at all.

[C]

I was like, maybe they want, like, Taylor Swift to make an appearance at a challenge. I'm like, what are we doing?

[D]

She'd do it for the new mother in law because she wants the mother in law to like her. You know, she would do it.

[F]

And then Michael Rappaport. People had problems with him being on there. They were not happy.

[C]

Oh, I know. Yeah. He's a little mouthy on social media. I do follow him just because I find him fascinating.

[D]

I think he would make good tv, though.

[F]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

He'd be good for the trader, I think.

[D]

Think I would have expected him to be one.

[C]

He'll be a good trader. I think Candace actually will do very well. She's very intelligent, too. Yes, she's quick. And Lisa Rena. I see her out early for some reason. I don't know why. I don't know.

[F]

Candace, I like. Amazing at the roundtable and confessionals.

[D]

Oh, Portia Williams. Don't forget Portia.

[F]

Portia, too. Yeah.

[C]

That's a good one. Gosh, they really brought it with the Housewives. But I wonder now if. Because kind of on our season, it started how they were like, all the housewives are going to group together. I feel like Candace will be smart enough to be like, I'm going to go and make some new friends just in case so they don't vote me out. That's what you got to do.

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[B]

And Doug, what a horrible call.

[C]

Hey, ref.

[B]

Open your eyes, ref.

[F]

You're really not gonna call that.

[B]

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[A]

We're all just giving him advice.

[B]

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[F]

What's next for you? Do you have any competition shows that you want to do or been asked to do?

[C]

They ask me all the time to do MTV stuff, and I'm always like, no, you don't pay enough. Like, I'm sorry, Gone.

[B]

Isn't MTV gone.

[C]

Okay. I actually spread misinformation with. Without knowing on the Internet that I just, like, reposted something and it wasn't true. Apparently that was only in the UK and it's still here, guys. So I apologize. I'm not perfect.

[B]

And so I filmed a pilot for them, and I was like, well, I guess that's not going. That's fine.

[C]

No, you're good, Wells.

[D]

You're fine.

[F]

Yeah. Just don't get your information from Trishell.

[C]

Yeah, actually. All right, so there was that. And also, I've been interviewing for a show around my friends and I in New Orleans, and we met with a few networks, so we're gonna see.

[F]

Would that be the Real Housewives of New Orleans?

[C]

They are not titling in it. That a similar situation? Similar. Yes.

[F]

Awesome.

[C]

But I mean, you know how it goes with networks. It depends on what they need at a certain time. And, I mean, how many housewives have.

[F]

Filmed in New Orleans? There's so many different shows.

[C]

I know. I mean, we just did this year. You're Right. You're right. You guys are just there.

[D]

I've never been, so I would love to see more of it. Never. No.

[B]

It's my favorite city in the country.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It's got the best food. It's got art.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

Every freaking crack of brick. And it's so much history and weirdos and.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

But no, I'm involved in a lot of charity and philanthropy over here, so I've been very, very busy with that. It's charity.

[F]

You're always busy. You're always dressed up. You're always going to. I am tired watching your social media.

[C]

And that's what people tell me, but I have so much fun. It's like theme country tablescapes. I love that. Yeah, I'm still, like, living in, like my sorority days, basically. Like, I'm just having fun.

[D]

It's always the sorority girls that know how to party. Forever. Ever.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

I wouldn't know camera.

[B]

Group. I would.

[D]

Oh, you would.

[F]

Yes.

[D]

Oh, you know the sorority girls. Wells. We know.

[B]

I was a fraternity boy. I play a bartender on tv. I know.

[D]

I think you know how to have a good time.

[C]

I'm gonna embarrass myself. I had the biggest crush on you ever.

[B]

Really?

[C]

On. Yes. On your season, I was like, he is a beautiful person. Like, your face is like, perfect.

[F]

He is kind of pretty, isn't he?

[C]

Very pretty. I love a pretty boy. And so. And like, because my husband's actually kind of not a pretty boy, he's like, that's weird. You have that like, young guy type.

[D]

And like, that is so funny. I love.

[C]

I just have to tell you, I just thought you were so adorable and still I loved. I love seeing you in the Traders for the. The one second you were there.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

No shade there.

[B]

Well, thank you for saying that. That makes me feel very good and I'll just. So you know, I was a huge fan of yours as a big. A big real world guy. And then. So then, then. And then I was big into the challenge and road rules and everything. So this has been such a cool experience to get to chat with you. My last question before you go. You've done so many competition style shows. You know, so many people in this world who from the reality TV world who hasn't done Traders would be really good at the game.

[C]

You know, I would like to see some professional poker players on there. Daniel Negrano would be amazing. He's a huge famous professional poker player. I think he'd be good. Phil Hellmuth is like a big personality. At the poker table, but because their brains are just so different. I think that poker skill that I have helped me and the traders.

[D]

Very cool. That's a good idea.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. It's like a mental chess game or poker game or. It's. It's. It's definitely. I think I agree with you. That would be good. I want them on my side, and.

[C]

They have big personalities, so. Yeah, I like that more.

[B]

Michelle, thank you so much for coming on. By order of the Faithful, guys, one of the best faithfuls to ever have done it. I'm hoping to see you on a TV screen again very, very soon. And please don't steal my football coach. That would be.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I'm. I'll write you in on Instagram. If that happens, I'm gonna have to give you a little. All right, well, thanks, guys, so much for having me.

[D]

Thank you.

[F]

So nice seeing your beautiful face.

[C]

Bye.

[F]

I miss you, too. We'll catch up.

[C]

All right, bye.

[B]

Still got it, guys.

[D]

Still got it. Yes. And look, we get to have him on all the time.

[F]

I know.

[D]

He's a. I'm a little.

[B]

I don't know if you can tell.

[F]

I saw you.

[B]

Yeah, that doesn't happen very often anymore. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. She's so cool.

[D]

She's lovely. She's adorable. She's. And smart. She's very smart.

[B]

Yeah. All right, all you faithfuls and traders out there, if you're not following us on social media, please do. We're at by order of the faithfuls on Instagram. That's where you can find all our clips and links to lists and. And watch. We'll be back again very, very soon to kind of close up this season. Only a couple episodes left of season two of the Traders. See you, guys.

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[E]

Pressure is coming down.

[B]

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