By Order of the Faithfuls: You’re An All-Star w/ Dean & Caelynn Bell

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: “By Order of the Faithfuls: You’re An All-Star” w/ Dean & Caelynn Bell

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge | iHeartPodcasts
Date: February 16, 2026
Special Guests: Dean Bell & Caelynn Bell
Host: Wells Adams (filling in)
Theme: A deep-dive (and playful fantasy-casting session) on Peacock’s The Traitors—strategy, casting, memorable moments, and behind-the-scenes knowledge from reality TV veterans.

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Episode Overview

Wells Adams sits in for the regular cohosts, bringing on Bachelor Nation stars Dean Bell and Caelynn Bell for a lively, insider’s discussion of The Traitors. The episode blends analysis of the game’s strategy and social politics, a nostalgic rundown of previous seasons’ best (and messiest) players, “fantasy cast” picks for an all-star season, and plenty of irreverent reality TV banter. If you love The Traitors, reality competition, or Bachelor crossovers, this is a must-listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Who Would Be a Better Traitor? Faithful?” – Casting Themselves Into the Game [02:26–07:53]

• Opening Debate: Caelynn asks Wells who’d fare better on The Traitors: her or Dean.
  • Wells: “You are very unassuming and very likable. So I think you would be a very good faithful, but maybe to a fault. No one would ever suspect you.” [02:47]
  • Dean counters he’s “sneakier,” but worries about his “ability to lie.” [03:21]
• Gameplay Psychology:
  • Caelynn wonders about the “point of speaking up at the roundtable”—does it just make you a target? [03:45]
  • Wells explains: “If there is suspicion on you, it makes sense to speak up, because at least you’re going after somebody.” [04:14]
  • Insight: Successful Traitors are often the ones who take initiative in conversation early—e.g., Bob the Drag Queen, Boston Rob. [05:09]
• Celebrity Strategy Shoutouts:
  • Caelynn praises Rob’s under-the-radar gameplay: “I think he's the best trader I've ever seen.” [05:13]
  • The group discusses the challenge and stress of being accused as a Faithful (“That would drive me crazy!” – Caelynn [07:27]).

2. Inside the Traitors Experience—Personal Stories and Real Talk [07:53–11:17]

• Manipulation in the Game:
  • Wells tells the story of how Bob the Drag Queen “lied to get me out... It didn't matter, you know, and that sucks.” [08:43]
  • “That's next level manipulation.” – Dean [08:43]
• Emotional Fallout and Would They Return?
  • “Everyone always asks: would I go back? I’m the one person that’s like, absolutely not.” – Wells [10:03]
  • Caelynn is surprised: “I’m surprised you wouldn't go back!” [10:22]
  • Lighthearted story from Dean about Wells turning off his phone, only to be eliminated quickly and texting friends anyway. [10:33]

3. Fantasy Casting: The Ultimate Traitors All-Star Season [15:23–29:49]

• All-Star Casting Game: Who gets a “golden ticket” for an All-Star Traitors?
  • Debate if winners should be eligible: “If you won, you should be out.” – Dean [15:45]
  • Nostalgic callouts: Ari from season one, “big bumbling idiot” Ryan Lochte, Christian the wildcard traitor. [16:01, 16:39]
  • “What makes a good traitor?” – Caelynn asks; “Likability,” says Wells—“so much of this show is a political game. It’s culling votes.” [16:58, 17:02]
• Favorite Characters and TV “Agents of Chaos”:
  • Caelynn loves Michael Rapaport: “He is so funny. Every single time he screams at someone...” [17:47]
  • Wells: “He’s grading and annoying and delusional...but he’s amazing at making TV.” [18:12]
• Who Would They Add?
  • Bergie (“He can’t be a traitor. He doesn’t have it in him.” – Wells [19:49])
  • Dylan Efron (“So sweet...maybe make him a traitor because he is so sweet.” – Dean [20:08])
  • Peppermint, John (the “sinister psycho” UK politician), Boston Rob.
  • Survivor and Challenge crossover stars: praise for analytical, composed players (Rob, Natalie, Johnny Bananas, Wes, CT). [21:11–24:11]
  • Discussion about the advantages and threats of being a “gamer” from reality TV. [24:11–24:25]

4. The Mechanics—Secrets of Gameplay & Production [25:24–28:22]

• Becoming a Traitor: “You have a bunch of calls with producers about what you want to do and then you get to the castle and meet with Alan. I think some people who beg to be traitors get skewed over into that role.” – Wells [24:52]
• Production Behind the Scenes:
  • “If you’re a trader, you don’t even get to go to bed until 2 or 3 AM, but call time is at 8...Then you have to be bright-eyed, bushy-tailed for breakfast because everyone’s looking for who looks tired.” [25:49–26:50]
  • The players discuss whether they could handle the sleep deprivation; Dean admits, “I need like nine hours.” [27:29]

5. Strategies and Social Tactics—How to Win and Why Players Lose [29:59–39:58]

• On Big Personalities:
  • The risk of being “too big, too fast” (Dorinda as cautionary tale). [37:44]
  • Wells: “She was way too big, way too fast, and she was out immediately…Her gameplay this year was 'I'm not saying anything.'" [37:44]
• Why Traitors Lose:
  • “Do you wish that the Traitors would stop cannibalizing themselves?” – Wells laments that traitors tend not to work together, losing their “power of numbers.” [38:41]
  • Rob is praised for curating his “turret” to secure a win: “He gets to create his own turret...they have a good chance of winning.” – Dean [39:04]
• Predictions:
  • Dean and Caelynn predict Rob will win the current season. [39:25]
  • Wells has suspicions: “I can see Rob being found out...If Eric wins as a traitor, that would be insane.” [39:39–39:47]

6. Board Games, Social Deduction, and Real-Life Parallels [40:00–41:43]

• Caelynn compares The Traitors to the social deduction game “Secret Hitler”: “I was a good guy...and everything I was saying was right, and I still got voted out of this game!” [41:09]
• Wells and Dean discuss the frustrating (but entertaining) dynamic where the most obvious loyal players still get eliminated.

7. Best and Worst Players—Faithfuls and Traitors [41:30–45:03]

• Rob is lauded as “the best traitor I’ve seen thus far.” – Wells [41:40]
• Boston Rob: “He’s very, very smart. But I thought he was way too messy.” [41:46]
• Dolores’ win as an under-the-radar Faithful: “She was waltzing through the show...very likable, and she won.” [42:39]
• The group reflects on whether studied strategy or “ignorance is bliss” makes for a stronger player. [42:06–44:12]

8. Dream Celebrity Casts—What If Actors Played the Game? [34:46–37:16]

• The group playfully fantasizes about Hollywood stars on The Traitors.
  • Jennifer Coolidge: “My mind just totally went blank. Yes, Jennifer.” – Dean [35:32]
  • Christian Bale for method acting unpredictability: “It would be so cool...he could come on the show and be this one thing, and we’d have no idea if that was truly what he was.” – Wells [35:52–36:04]
  • Caelynn: Adam Driver, Emilia Clarke, Pedro Pascal—“Eyebrows in the roundtable would be crazy” [36:45]
• The point: Unlike reality stars, actors could bring genuine unpredictability “because they're obviously not playing themselves on tv.” [36:03]

9. Alan Cumming’s Hosting—Why He’s Top-Tier [45:51–47:08]

• Wells and guests heap praise on Alan Cumming:
  • “That guy, oh, he commits to this. Good.” – Wells [46:23]
  • “He knows when to exit every single time. And that's impressive, I think.” – Caelynn [47:08]
  • Impersonations and inside jokes about Alan’s delivery of “dollars” and “murder.” [46:11]

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Most Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being accused as a Faithful:
  • “There’s no way to absolutely prove that you’re not a traitor if you are faithful. That would drive me crazy.” – Caelynn Bell [07:27]
• On Traitor gameplay:
  • “Traitors do initiate the conversations in the beginning. That's what Bob the Drag Queen did...so that's something to look for.” – Wells Adams [04:14]
• On Michael Rapaport:
  • “Every single time he screams at someone...I just found myself wanting to see more Michael Rapaport every time I was watching Traitors.” – Caelynn Bell [17:47]
• On Alan Cumming:
  • “He’s doing Shakespeare in front of us and then, like, is gone.” – Wells Adams [46:52]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Game mechanics and casting personalities: [02:26–07:53]
• Real stories from Wells Adams’ season: [07:53–11:17]
• Fantasy casting and best TV moments: [15:23–29:49]
• Secrets of production and gameplay logistics: [25:24–28:22]
• Strategic analysis—Traitors vs. Faithfuls: [29:59–45:03]
• Celebrity dream casting: [34:46–37:16]
• Alan Cumming appreciation: [45:51–47:08]

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers a high-energy, affectionate skewering of The Traitors—equal parts strategy talk, fan wish-list, and behind-the-scenes tea for TV super-fans. The chemistry between Wells, Dean, and Caelynn keeps it upbeat and accessible, making it a must-listen for both The Traitors loyalists and curious reality TV fans. If you want insight into what it’s really like to play the game, how the TV sausage gets made, or which Bachelor Nation star would truly slay as a traitor, this episode pays off.

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Transcript

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[Wells Adams]

Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders to another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wells Adams and I'm not alongside Dolores Catania and Tamara Judge. Unfortunately, they are off somewhere else. But fortunately for me, I'm with two of my best friends of whom I met on a reality TV dating show where I get everyone drunk called Bachelor in Paradise with Dean Bell and Kaylin Bell. How are you guys?

[Dean Bell]

Good. Thanks for having us.

[Kaylin Bell]

Thanks for having us, Wells.

[Wells Adams]

I know this is a weird little crossover, but are you guys watching? Are you watching Traders?

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Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Kaylin, Kayla and Traders of this newest season of Traders. And I just was mentioning too. I think I got to go back and watch some older seasons, but I've only been up to up to date on the fourth season so far.

[Dean Bell]

It's such a good show. I'm really jealous you were on it

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I wish I was on there longer, but.

[Kaylin Bell]

Can we ask Wells, who do you. Who do you think would be better on the Traders? Kaylin or me? Because we have. We have this debate quite often.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, that's a good question. You are very unassuming and very likable.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So I think you would be a very good faithful, but maybe to a fault. No one would ever suspect you. So they probably get rid of you, like, because there. There's never any shade on you. Right. Like the Traders. Like people thinking that other people are traitors even when they're faithfuls. Dean is, I think, sneakier. He could be a traitor, but also, I feel like he breaks too easily. Like, he would laugh or something. I would.

[Dean Bell]

I don't know how, like, good he'd be at lying.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

Right.

[Kaylin Bell]

I guess we. We will never know. I don't lie ever. So.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So this is a marriage council episode.

[Kaylin Bell]

Can I ask you a question? I know you're gonna. You're gonna obviously lead this whole thing. I have some questions about this show, especially watching it for the first time. He's a huge fan now, this season. I'm enjoying it. Yeah. It's been interesting.

[Wells Adams]

It is a very good show.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah. And when we talk about who would we want to be on it, between the two of us, my. My question for you is, what is the purpose to ever say anything at the roundtable? Because all you're seeming to do, from my perspective, is just put a target on your back every single time. If I think Lisa's a traitor, and she is a traitor, I'm just not going to say that, because if I think she's a traitor and then she's just going to kill me the next time she has a chance to. Right. So what's the incentive to. For anyone to speak up and say anything at these roundtables?

[Wells Adams]

Well, if there is. If there is suspicion on you, it makes sense to speak up, because at least you're going after somebody. And if you're right about that thing, you can say, well, I'm obviously a faithful because I came after so and so, and they were a traitor. Right. And I think a lot of times, like, for me, when it. When it happened, Bob the drag queen came after me, which made me defensive, and I went after Robin and Sam in that same moment because I was, like, trying to deflect. It's not me, it's you guys. And I. I would say that, like, one of the things that I've started to notice with all these seasons is that Traders do initiate the conversations in the beginning. That's what Bob the Drag Queen did. He was the one who started off. And then also, you know, Boston Rob did the exact same thing where he would start things. So that's something to, like, look for. Look.

[Dean Bell]

But that's why Rob Roush, I think, is such a good trader. Cause he's just been so under the radar. I keep telling Dean he doesn't like to give Rob credit, but I think he's the best trader I've ever seen.

[Wells Adams]

I agree with that, actually.

[Dean Bell]

He's so good.

[Wells Adams]

Are you annoyed by the way he's playing the game?

[Dean Bell]

No. Yeah, because, like, at the end, he's either gonna have to split the money with Lisa and Candace or he just gets all the money himself.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

So he's smart. And now he gets to pick his traders. Like, he's. He's watched the show enough to know, like, okay, if I get them out, then I get to go and choose who's next.

[Wells Adams]

Do you think you would suspect Rob? No, I don't think I would either. Would you?

[Kaylin Bell]

I think that he has done a really good job with the Lisa vote. I think that was really good.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

And I'm sure he probably talked about it, and maybe they just didn't air it. But I think his best defense at any point could be that he kind of let. He spearheaded the Lisa vote. And then when he's telling Candace about why he voted for Lisa, he should just tell her, like, hey, by me doing that, it's going to take the heat off of both of us at the same time. Because why would a trader vote another trader out, especially that early on? And he probably did say that at some point, but the whole time he was explaining himself to Candace, I was like, just say that's why you did it. Because it's the best thing to say, in my opinion, in that situation.

[Dean Bell]

And I think there needs to be, like, an unspoken rule with the traders that if there's suspicion on one of the traders, you can't just be like, no, no, no, and, like, try to deflect off of that person. Then you kind of have to gang up on each other in that sense.

[Kaylin Bell]

I mean, at this stage in this season, I feel like it's going to be hard for Rob not to win because he, like I said with Lisa and Candace, he was kind of the catalyst for a lot votes, in my opinion, just given off of what we saw. So I. I feel like he's got a pretty good alibi for being a

[Dean Bell]

faithful and Eric, being a trader is so good.

[Wells Adams]

So good.

[Dean Bell]

I'm so excited.

[Wells Adams]

Two completely unassuming people in the turret is fantastic. I did like the idea that like the majority of the turret was housewives because for so many seasons everyone's like, well, there's got to be a housewife up in the turret because of numbers. And it kind of never was. And then all of a sudden this season, they did it. I mean, they didn't last very long. But I, I was wondering, if you went on the show, what would you ask Alan to be? Would you ask to be a faithful or would you ask to be a traitor?

[Dean Bell]

I think I would have to be a faithful. But it'd be so fun to be a trader. Yeah, I just don't know, like my ability to lie and be like quick witted with a lie.

[Kaylin Bell]

Do you know, I think the hardest part about being a faithful for me and in theory would be being accused of something that I'm not. And there's no way to absolutely prove that you're not a traitor if you are faithful. That would drive me crazy. The second someone pointed a finger at me for being a traitor and not being able to just 100% tell them that I am a faithful with 100% certainty for them, that would drive me crazy. So I think for that reason alone, I'd want to be a trader.

[Wells Adams]

It's interesting because the reality shows that we come from, so much of your character is important part of your storyline, but in this show, your character can be completely manipulated by other people. That's what happened to me. Is that Bob the drag queen said, like, you know, I've tried to talk to you every single day and you've never tried to engage with me. You don't want to have a relationship with me. That's weird. And that wasn't true. I was really trying to talk to him. My, like, my wife was friends with, with Monet X Change of whom he does the podcast with. So I was like, all these things, I was trying to relate to him and in the moment I was like, no, I've been trying to be your friend this entire time. And then when it was over, I was like, it was all a lie to get me out. Like it, it didn't matter, you know, and that sucks. And you're right.

[Dean Bell]

Like, that's like next level manipulation.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I hated that.

[Kaylin Bell]

And then when you're off the show, I'd imagine there's kind of no love lost between anyone. Right. Like you're, you're kind of Acknowledging that he was playing a game or a role.

[Dean Bell]

Well, not your season. People hated to Traders. Your.

[Wells Adams]

I think they were bad Traders. My season, and that was what got me kicked off is I said, I think that's a stupid move. They killed Dorinda in the first episode when everyone that was a faithful thought that she was a traitor and we were going to banish her. I was like, that's dumb. Go after someone else. You know, we're going to do the work for you. And that was my argument. And that's what ended up getting me banished is because I said that, which is crazy. And then, like, Sam came after me for saying, like, he's like, I think what they're doing is smart. And I was like, no, absolutely not. And then, like, five episodes later, you see Sam's go, you know, I don't think these Traders are very smart. I'm glad you finally came around to

[Kaylin Bell]

it, but it took you five episodes. Wait, so did you. Did you get voted off at the roundtable or did you get murdered by the trader?

[Dean Bell]

Roundtable.

[Wells Adams]

Roundtable.

[Kaylin Bell]

That sucks.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. You got to watch My Exit. It is pretty good.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I get up and I do a slow clap, you know, like in that. Like a 90s high school movie.

[Kaylin Bell]

Are you. You're pretty. A calm, a cool, collected guy. At those roundtable meetings. Especially when you hear your name being brought up so much, do you feel, like, nervous? Do you get nervous in that?

[Wells Adams]

I was shaking. I was so angry.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. It sucks. It like, I. Everyone is that we have on the show is always like, would you ever go back? I'm the one person that's like, absolutely not.

[Kaylin Bell]

No, you wouldn't. Really?

[Wells Adams]

I don't think so.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, wow.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Not to like, get kind of like Dorinda did this season. Right. Because she got voted off early last.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Now she's back and she's doing well.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah, well, she's just under the radar.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah. I'm surprised you wouldn't go back.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I don't think so. It is nice, though. It's fun to go to Inverness for four days.

[Kaylin Bell]

Can I share my experience of you going on the Traders? Yeah, it's one of my favorite stories I tell somewhat often to my friends back home. I remember because we had a golf trip either before or after it sometime around you going on the Traders, and we were maybe planning how we were all going to get out there and all this stuff. And you're like, all right, guys, sorry. I'm handing my phone over for about a month. I'LL talk to you in a month. Can't tell you where I'll be, but like, just don't expect to hear from me. And then three days later, well, comes through and I was like. And then I was like, what happened? Tell me everything. And you're like, it's not worth my time to tell you.

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[Wells Adams]

We've got every cast member from the first three seasons, and I thought we could play a game where we cast the ultimate faithfuls and traitors. Season five. Are you guys ready? Let's go through all the names, see if you guys remember everybody. Or let's just go through, like, people that, like, stick out to us.

[Dean Bell]

Okay, here's the thing with the all cast, our all star cast. Are they choosing people who won the show? Because I feel like if you won, you should be out, you know?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But no, you don't think they're gonna get Dylan Efron back on there? Come on.

[Dean Bell]

Definitely having Dylan.

[Kaylin Bell]

Wow. Deontay Wilder was on the show.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. From season one. I think the person that stands out to me was Ari, who of course was the Bachelor. Have you guys ever met him before?

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

I don't think.

[Kaylin Bell]

I think I met him in passing.

[Wells Adams]

Nice guy. This was an interesting season because half of it was civilians or, like, not reality TV stars and then reality TV stars. This guy Christian was a traitor. And he was. He played, like, real loose and fast. He was kind of too much, but he was a fun person to see in the tour in the turret.

[Dean Bell]

I feel like Kyle Cook would be good, especially because he's going through a divorce, so he might be a little unhinged.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, very true. Ryan Lochte was, like, kind of a big, bumbling idiot, but it was, like, really fun tv.

[Kaylin Bell]

Let me ask you this before we get into the All Star lineup, specifically, what exactly what kind of personalities do you want to see in your traders? Like, what makes a good trader? Obviously, like, smart is important. Like Rob is being this year.

[Nancy Glass]

Hmm.

[Wells Adams]

Because, like, for, I think, likability.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So much of this show is a political game, and it's, you know, it's culling votes. It's having people trust you. And I think that's why Rob's doing a really good job, is because people. One, he's unassuming. I think a lot of people think. And he's very smart. You can very. You can tell how smart he is. I think a lot of people think, oh, he's just a dumb, hot guy.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And that's helping.

[Dean Bell]

He's playing the dumb game, which is. And so I think I like the Rob of it all. And so Kevin would be a really good traitor. Kevin was so good as a faithful in season two.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

I mean, can I tell Wells who my favorite character on the season was, has been?

[Dean Bell]

No, please don't.

[Wells Adams]

Okay, tell me.

[Kaylin Bell]

I'll say it. I don't care.

[Wells Adams]

Just be honest.

[Kaylin Bell]

I think Michael Rapaport was the funniest man alive.

[Wells Adams]

Fantastic television maker.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah. Every time he was on the screen, Kahlan was, like, talking smack about him, and I was like, he is so funny. Every single time he screams at someone,

[Wells Adams]

I'm the dopest, most answer, most handsome, most faithful.

[Kaylin Bell]

Well, I just.

[Wells Adams]

You, Colton.

[Kaylin Bell]

I just found myself wanting to see more Michael Rapaport every time I was watching Traders.

[Wells Adams]

It is, weirdly enough, it's a controversial thing to say because he's a very controversial person just in his public life. But putting. Putting that aside for someone who makes TV and you're. What? He's amazing at making tv. He's very similar to, like, Johnny Bananas, who unfortunately was gone too soon in season one, where it's like, they're so loud. They're so annoying. Even Tom Sandoval. Same thing, right?

[Dean Bell]

We gotta bring Tom back.

[Wells Adams]

Like, just saying so much stuff that makes no sense. You're just distracting everyone. And in the turret or in the roundtable, it's. It's frustrating. Like, for the Tom Sandoval of it all, he would go on these long tangents about Chrishell where we'll be all like, shut up. It's not. She's not a traitor. Like, stop talking. I need to defend myself. And you're taking up all the air in the room. And that's what happened to Rapaport. But I. I agree with you. Like, I loved watching him on my tv.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah. I was just like, he's just a Jew from New York. That's. That's. You know, that's his New York personality coming out.

[Wells Adams]

He's grading and annoying and delusional.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah, very delusional.

[Wells Adams]

Lovely. Amazingly delusional. Okay, so let's go through this. Let's. Let's all pick just a couple faithfuls from all four seasons, and then let's all pick one traitor. Okay, I'm gonna start faithful. I love Bergie. He was such a nice guy.

[Dean Bell]

I loved him on Love Island.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. That I met him there because Sarah was hosting that season. He's a nice guy.

[Dean Bell]

Would he be a faithful?

[Wells Adams]

Yes, faithful. He can't be a traitor. He doesn't have it in him.

[Kaylin Bell]

Have the Traders won a season yet?

[Wells Adams]

The first season. All right, you guys are up.

[Dean Bell]

Dylan Efron. Of course. We need him.

[Wells Adams]

Why? Because he's dreamy?

[Dean Bell]

No, I just think he's just so sweet.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

And maybe make him a traitor because he is so sweet.

[Wells Adams]

I know. I. I wish that they had turned Dylan.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I think that would have been a

[Dean Bell]

fun storyline for, like, how they tried to turn Peter Weber. Pete.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, that happened to Pete. And he said no.

[Dean Bell]

He said no.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

So then he. Then he loses the game right then and there.

[Dean Bell]

They didn't show their faces. They, like, gave him an ultimatum.

[Wells Adams]

Huh.

[Dean Bell]

And he said no. And then he was like, guys, and

[Kaylin Bell]

why would you say no? Oh, because he wouldn't know who the Traders were, so he had the option to stay. I guess that makes sense.

[Wells Adams]

He was, like, the most faithful of the faithfuls.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And they had like, a whole crew called the, like, the Pilot Pete crew or something like that.

[Nancy Glass]

Yes.

[Kaylin Bell]

I like Peppermint.

[Dean Bell]

Peppermint.

[Wells Adams]

Peppermint's great. All right. I loved. I know that, like, cast members couldn't stand this guy, but same thing with, like, Rapaport, the UK politician. John. It was like, oh, yeah, she's the sinister psycho. He had, like, weird alliteration things all

[Dean Bell]

the time, so he was funny.

[Kaylin Bell]

How about these Survivor guys? Tony and Rob?

[Dean Bell]

I feel like Boston Rob, definitely.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But would you want him as a faithful, or do you want him as a trader? I think he.

[Dean Bell]

He was already a traitor. Now he needs to be A faithful.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. No one would believe him, I think.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Everyone, like get him out right now.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

You have some Survivor players on your season.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Boston Rob.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, that was your season. Nice. Yeah. Is it intimidating to be in the same, like, kind of deliberation room with those people? Because they're pretty good gamers.

[Wells Adams]

He was just very smart.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Like, you could tell that, like, he was very analytical and like, I don't even know if he's a lawyer, but he should be. Like, he's just really good at arguing.

[Kaylin Bell]

That's kind of just like a Survivor trope, I feel like. Because Natalie from this season is kind of the same way.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

At least in the early episodes.

[Dean Bell]

I think Natalie's not playing that well.

[Kaylin Bell]

I feel like she's getting a little too caught up in her emotions a little bit right now. But I feel like up until maybe the last episode, she's been pretty. Pretty calculated in a good way, I think.

[Dean Bell]

I like Ron and I actually really like him after following him on social media.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, I like Ron a lot.

[Wells Adams]

Bunches.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I interviewed him long ago when I was a radio host and he was the most lovely person. I love him and I hated how they did him dirty on this season. Like one he was misguided and wrong about. Was it Porsche?

[Dean Bell]

Yeah. So.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. But he had good evidence. It was stronger evidence than, than like what Colton had on people. And he presented a good case. He swung and missed and I don't understand why he got, like, I don't know, vilified and then Colton didn't. But they did the same thing.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah. Yeah, I hated that. And I think he needs redemption.

[Wells Adams]

I think he's going to go to that reunion and tear some people apart, I hope. Because what does he do for a living?

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

He talks on stage in front of thousands, so. And he's going to dismantle.

[Kaylin Bell]

I think I saw in an interview recently where they were like, do you want these people to apologize to you? And he's like, no. Yeah, I'm gonna go after this.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Like, I'm sure he does roasts all the time. This is gonna be like the easiest teed up thing in the world from my season. I gotta be honest with you. I loved Tom Sandoval as, as a viewer, as someone who's on the season. I couldn't stand being around him.

[Dean Bell]

That's fair. That's very fair.

[Wells Adams]

But he was very fun to watch.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah. I think we need all the people who make good tv. Maybe like five chaotic people.

[Wells Adams]

I also think, like, Johnny Bananas is so good. I love Wes and I love ct. Like, I like, I think Wes and

[Dean Bell]

CT were both crazy, right? Who's a really angry guy?

[Kaylin Bell]

They're both.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

I mean, one, like, last kind of

[Wells Adams]

like threatened people and that's why it got him kind of kicked out. But CT kind of like played the, like, I don't know what's going on card for a while and it just got him to the end and he ended up winning. But I, for some reason, I think that the challenge guys are better at this game than the survivor people. I don't know if that's true or not.

[Dean Bell]

It's very interesting that people are always going after the gamers because we can also be manipulative. Like reality TV people are so good at this game.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

And.

[Dean Bell]

But they're always going for the gamers first.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Because you want to get the threats out.

[Dean Bell]

We're threats.

[Wells Adams]

Are we? Are we?

[Dean Bell]

We are a threat.

[Wells Adams]

Okay, let's pick one Trader Wells Adams. I would love that. I would love something. Go back. If I went back, I would beg Alan to let me be a trader.

[Kaylin Bell]

Is that actually, like, they must decide all of that for themselves, Right. Or do you think your pitch as a potential trader has an impact on their decision?

[Wells Adams]

I think so, for sure. I mean, you have a bunch of calls with producers about, like, what you want to do and what your idea for gameplay is. And then when you get to the castle, you have a meeting with Alan of that they film.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And he asked, like, what do you want to do? In my meeting, he was like, you know, I worked with your wife. That, that was our conversation. So I was like, I guess I'm not going to be a traitor, but I was just indifferent to it. But I think that, like, some of the, the people who like, beg to be traders, I think that can skew them over, like, letting them be traitors.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, interesting.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

I kind of would love to see Maura Higgins be a trader. Yeah, I think she'd be really good.

[Wells Adams]

Here's the thing, here's the thing. I'm not a woman, but it takes you guys a long time to get ready, right?

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Like, it's a whole faithful make. Like, Dean's just not even showering and going, yeah, to the castle.

[Kaylin Bell]

So here's the strays.

[Wells Adams]

Here's the thing.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

So.

[Wells Adams]

But you. I want to talk to you about this because I think that this is like an important thing of, like, if you went on the show, if you would want to be a trader because you film In June. And those are really long days, which means the nights are really short because you're really far up north. Even this is like the tip top of of Scotland. So it doesn't get dark until really late, like maybe 1 o', clock, 2 o'. Clock. And so when you finish filming, the people in the turret, they have to wait for it to become dark.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Oh.

[Wells Adams]

So they don't really film until like 2 or 3 in the morning. And I think they do it for a couple hours and then they come back. And you always have an early like call time. Right. Like a 8am call time. So think about having to go to turret. It's a while before you get to go to bed. Let's say it's six o'. Clock. Then you have to wake up at eight and then you have to be like bright eyed bushy tailed at that breakfast because everyone's looking around being like, who looks tired? Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

So okay, so you get to go to bed. I have so many questions. If you're a trader, if you're not a trader, you get to go to bed.

[Wells Adams]

Everyone gets taken away.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

One by one. And so you don't know who.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So what happens is traders get taken away. They get put into a car. I think they get driven like down the road. They pull off, they wait for everyone to leave, then they come back.

[Dean Bell]

Oh my God. Okay, fair. I changed my answer. I like Steven.

[Wells Adams]

But I want to know like, do you think that like you could do it because you wouldn't get to sleep? I think yeah.

[Dean Bell]

I need like nine hours.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

Definitely not. You would be good.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah, I hate sleep. Yeah, that's.

[Wells Adams]

And showering.

[Kaylin Bell]

I was okay. Hey Wells. We've kind of covered that already. I think it would be interesting as a faithful to. Cause you all kind of have the shared same experience. If you're faithful. This is kind of how your night, your evening goes. Right. And I wonder, I was wondering actually the last time I was watching that last episode was like if you could find inconsistencies with people's stories about their previous night. You know what I mean? Like oh man, going to bed at 10 was so great. And then someone slips up like, oh man, I wish I got more sleep than I did last night. Like that kind of thing.

[Dean Bell]

I feel like not a Colton fan, but Colton kind of tried to do that this season. He's like, Lisa, how does Alan look at the turret? Does he have a new outfit?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

But that's like pretty obvious stuff, you know.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna pick my traitor.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I like Tom Sandoval.

[Dean Bell]

No. Oh, my.

[Wells Adams]

No one would suspect it.

[Dean Bell]

He's just so erratic. Like, could he put. Hold it together?

[Wells Adams]

I think that that is a tactic that can work in. The turret is just all over the place. You can't tie anything down. Is anyone gonna believe that Tom Sandoval is a traitor?

[Dean Bell]

That's so true.

[Kaylin Bell]

Like, hidden in plain sight kind of thing.

[Wells Adams]

Well, you know, during the season, his whole thing was like, the world thinks I'm the worst person in the world. Do you think that I would ever agree to come on here and be a bad person? Which I was like, that's a good argument. I actually don't think so. But it would be great if he came back and he was.

[Dean Bell]

He was such good tv. I've never enjoyed him on Vanderpump. I loved him on Traders.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

He was so funny.

[Wells Adams]

It's interesting, too, because I feel like that revived his career or like it brought him back. Whereas this season, a lot of people are getting, like, a lot of shade. And it's not like the career reviver that it was in the past.

[Dean Bell]

I just know of Colton. Who else?

[Wells Adams]

Colton. Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

That's the main one.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

But I think that he thought that too. Yeah. I would assume. Or his team being like, this is great. You know, like, Tom went on the show and, like, totally revamped his. His Persona and public image, and you should go do this show. And it's gone the other way, unfortunately.

[Dean Bell]

My frustration with that is like. And I get why they did it. People are talking about it. It's like, headlines, and that's exactly what they want. But everyone from the Bachelor wants to be on the show.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

And that's who they pick. It's just frustrating.

[Kaylin Bell]

Who would be a better pick? Maybe Joey.

[Dean Bell]

Maybe me.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Okay.

[Kaylin Bell]

Of course. Of course. Kaelin way up here. Maybe Joey down here.

[Dean Bell]

Joey would have been really good.

[Nancy Glass]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Who from the Golden Bachelors and Bachelorettes would be good on Traders?

[Dean Bell]

Ooh, Susan.

[Wells Adams]

Susan would be good.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

I think she really good.

[Dean Bell]

Kathy.

[Wells Adams]

Kathy would be too much in that round table. She wouldn't stop talking.

[Dean Bell]

Susan's, like, calculated enough.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, Susan. Yeah. And she is a natural order. Right. Like, she, like, marries people, so she'd be good at, like, holding court. I agree with that.

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[Wells Adams]

I think that the show is. Is shifting over, especially with, like, the advent of Lisa coming on the show where, yeah, she's a reality TV star, but she's also an actor. And. And then also, like, Stephen Coletti was an actor. There's now getting. We're getting actors of just, like, reality TV stars.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Who in, like, Hollywood celebrity actor do you think would be really.

[Dean Bell]

Oh, my God. Shoot.

[Kaylin Bell]

Her name. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Sydney Sweeney.

[Dean Bell]

Absolutely not.

[Nancy Glass]

No.

[Dean Bell]

Oh, my gosh. How am I blinking? Come back to me.

[Wells Adams]

Describe her. I can do this.

[Dean Bell]

Hilarious. Blonde woman. Legally Blonde.

[Wells Adams]

Reese Witherspoon.

[Special Agent Regal]

No.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh. Jennifer Coolidge.

[Nancy Glass]

Yes.

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[Wells Adams]

Wow.

[Dean Bell]

My mind just totally went blank. Yes, Jennifer.

[Wells Adams]

We had Jennifer Coolidge.

[Dean Bell]

What do you mean?

[Wells Adams]

Gabby is the same person the gays are trying to banish me.

[Kaylin Bell]

Trying to kill me. Who. Who's your answer to that? Well, I think about mine.

[Wells Adams]

I. Like, they would never do it, but, like, I would want someone who's, like, known for being method. Right. Like. Like Christian Bale. Like, that would be so cool.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And. And he could, like, come in there and you wouldn't. We don't really. The thing about reality TV stars is that you think you know them because you watch them on tv. And so people really feel like they know us. Right. But actors, it's a completely different thing because they're obviously not playing themselves on tv. So we have no idea what Christian Bale is really like. So he could come on the show and be this one thing, and we would have no idea if that was truly what he was or if he was just, like, being method.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And I think that would be fun, too.

[Kaylin Bell]

Interesting.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

I have two more.

[Kaylin Bell]

Okay. I think I thought of mine, too, and it sounds like we can kind of go all the way up the list if we wanted to. Right? Like a list. I think Adam Driver would be fun. Ooh, I would just love to listen to him talk.

[Dean Bell]

Wait. Yeah, wait. Emilia Clarke and Pedro Pascal. Emilia Clarke's eyebrows in the roundtable would be crazy. Her reactions. And Pedro Pascal would be.

[Kaylin Bell]

Who's Emilia Clarke?

[Dean Bell]

Khaleesi.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, nice.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, that'd be Mother of Dragons.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

I just know her as Khaleesi, Breaker of chains.

[Wells Adams]

Excuse me.

[Kaylin Bell]

I'm sorry.

[Wells Adams]

And then I do like that Pedro Pascal, like, in the round, he would be like, oh, my God.

[Kaylin Bell]

Pedro would have some good reactions. I feel like he'd have some good, like, reaction shots at the round table. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. Okay. So wait, hold on. I chose a trader. Did you choose a trader?

[Dean Bell]

I did. I like Steven.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. Dean, would you choose Choose a trader?

[Kaylin Bell]

I mean, truthfully, I just don't know any of these people well enough to have an opinion. It would be. Well, I would love to see Wells as a trader, but that's kind of like a Tom Sandoval. Not to be disrespectful to you, Wells, in the sense where it's like you're almost too big of a personality. I guess Lisa Rinna was too, though, huh? But she got left out.

[Wells Adams]

Well, that's what happened to Dorinda the year before is that she was way too big, way too fast, and she was out immediately. And that's why her gameplay is like this. This year. She was like, I'm not saying anything.

[Dean Bell]

So quiet.

[Wells Adams]

Because I had to do, like, exit interviews with her because we were the first two people out. And she was like, I just. I was so stupid. I wouldn't stop talking. And I was. I was like.

[Kaylin Bell]

And is she a big personality on the shows that she's been on?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Oh.

[Kaylin Bell]

Because this is my only first time ever seeing her quiet, maybe louder than Lisa. Really? Wow.

[Wells Adams]

And, you know, say what you want about Colton, but he was right to be like, is Lisa like this always like, I would assume she's crazy, you know? Anyways, is this the best season of Traders we've seen so far?

[Dean Bell]

I think so.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Dean's only seen one season.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

No, I love it. It's because we have good traders. Last season was so frustrating because the Traders sucked.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

Like, they were not doing a good job beyond Boston Rob, but they got him out.

[Wells Adams]

Do you wish that the Traders would stop, like, cannibalizing themselves? Like, I feel like one of the reasons why that they aren't winning is because they're not using their power of numbers together. Like, they always start going after one another. But if you think about it, if you have three votes that you can turn, if you guys are all just in lockstep, you can turn every single vote the way that you want it to go.

[Dean Bell]

No, I. I agree with you, but I think, again, why Rob is so good at this, because now he gets to create his own turret. Like, him and Lisa and Candace were never on the same page. Or, like, maybe they were, but now he can really curate this, and I think they have a good chance of winning.

[Wells Adams]

So then, to my next question. Who do you think is going to win?

[Dean Bell]

Rob?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

Who do you think is going to win?

[Kaylin Bell]

I am excited to see the format for how this show goes, because I don't know how it works, really, but Rob seems like a good choice. I'll go with you.

[Wells Adams]

Cool.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Dean Bell]

What do you think?

[Wells Adams]

I can see Rob being found out. Eventually, it's gonna be. I think it's gonna start to become obvious.

[Dean Bell]

But then if Eric wins as a trader, I think that would be insane.

[Wells Adams]

That would be very.

[Dean Bell]

So good.

[Wells Adams]

Very fun.

[Kaylin Bell]

I think Rob would almost be better suited to go solo from here on out.

[Wells Adams]

But I guess can't do that.

[Kaylin Bell]

Can't do that. No, you have to have.

[Wells Adams]

Because if they get all the traders out, then there is no traders to get, so they have to keep on.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah, that.

[Wells Adams]

Bringing people in the turret.

[Kaylin Bell]

You always have to have at least two, I guess. Right?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Interesting. All I remember. Well, all I know is kind of going back to what we talked about earlier on the podcast. We played this board game at our house on New Year's Eve called no,

[Dean Bell]

we don't need to say what his name.

[Kaylin Bell]

Have you guys ever played that game? It's basically just, like, traitors. There's, like, fascists and then Hitler, and then there's, like, the loyalists. I can't remember, whatever it is. And Hitler and the fascists have to get all of the good guys out, and the good guys have to find out who the bad guys are. And I was a good guy. And this. And this guy that was, like, kind of our moderator. You're part of the resistance.

[Wells Adams]

You were an ally.

[Kaylin Bell]

Right on. Yeah, I was on the ally side. And this guy that, like, basically was our moderator for the game because he had played it the most.

[Dean Bell]

He was a fascist.

[Kaylin Bell]

He was a fascist. And he kept, like, getting on me, getting on me about how I'm a fascist. And I was like, can anyone else see that?

[Wells Adams]

He's clearly.

[Kaylin Bell]

He's clearly trying to point the finger at everyone else. And then eventually I get get booted out of the game and we flip our cards.

[Dean Bell]

It was also very dramatic.

[Wells Adams]

What did you do?

[Kaylin Bell]

I can't remember. I was. I was getting people to, like, rally. I was getting speech. I was giving speeches. I was like, if you're. If you're an ally, stand with me.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Everyone.

[Kaylin Bell]

Everyone stays sitting down. I'm like, okay, that didn't work. And. And then eventually when you flip all the cards over and I realized that that guy was actually a fascist. I was so mad because I was like, everything I was saying was right, and I still got voted out of this game. Oh, gosh. So that's why I was saying, like, when. If I wasn't faithful and that happened to me, I'd be. My mind.

[Wells Adams]

Who do you think has played the best game as a trader this season? And then in past seasons, if you've watched the other season, it sounds like

[Dean Bell]

I'm obsessed with Rob, but obviously Rob's doing a really good game.

[Wells Adams]

I don't disagree with you. I think that he's the best trader I've seen thus far.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah. And then Boston Rob, but he was messy.

[Wells Adams]

I thought, like, I love Boston. He's a friend of mine. He's very, very smart. But I thought he was way too messy.

[Dean Bell]

I think he has the traits to be a perfect trader, but I don't think he came in and studied the game enough. Nor was there, like, enough shows out there to kind of figure it out. I feel like Rob kind of studied.

[Kaylin Bell]

Do you think this is a show where it definitely. You benefit from knowing how the game works more? Because sometimes I feel like a fresh perspective or like an ignorance is bliss kind of thing might help, but I guess in this game, it might not so much.

[Wells Adams]

I think it could work both ways.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

I think you can be really well studied and it come naturally to you. And you could also be completely oblivious. Like Dolores, who's the co host of this show. Like, not that she's oblivious, but, like, she was just waltzing through the show. Right.

[Dean Bell]

And voting for the most random people and.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. And. And also was, like, very likable.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And she won.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So I think both ways can.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Beneficial.

[Kaylin Bell]

I guess I just think back to, like, my time on the Bachelorette. There was one guy who, like, studied the show and was so into it. That's kind of weird. And on Survivor, sometimes you see, like, Survivor super fans that come on the show and maybe don't even make it to the council or whatever. So I was just kind of curious if that was kind of the same case for this.

[Wells Adams]

But who's played the best game as

[Dean Bell]

a faithful this season?

[Wells Adams]

Yep.

[Dean Bell]

I love Eric. I think he is such a, like, pure person and the perfect faithful.

[Kaylin Bell]

I've enjoyed Kristen, I think.

[Dean Bell]

Oh, she's also really good.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yes. But the faithful also.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Wait.

[Dean Bell]

Tara and Johnny. The fact that nobody knows their friends still is the craziest thing to me.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah. The first, like, two episodes of this season, I was like, I don't think Tara has said a single word. I have no idea who this person is. And she's finally getting some more screen time, obviously.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Well, so you guys know, this is my big theory on the show is that if you don't see someone a whole lot in the first couple episodes, it's because they end up being there at the end because they're. They're showing footage of people who are going to be leaving because they want to get screen time for them.

[Kaylin Bell]

Right.

[Dean Bell]

That makes sense.

[Wells Adams]

So I was all over episodes one and two, cuz then I was gone, you know?

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah. I feel like most of the faithfuls are playing like Johnny. And who's Eric? Right.

[Dean Bell]

Eric.

[Kaylin Bell]

They've been. They've been like, kind of quietly confident. Not like causing too much of a stir, but still, like, pretty spot on with a lot of their judgments.

[Wells Adams]

That's why I think Johnny's going to go really far because I haven't seen a lot of him of. For someone who is an Olympic winning figure skater who, like, we has been on our teas for a long time, I'm like, this is weird that you're not on my screen more. I think that means you're going a long way.

[Dean Bell]

Yeah. Also, Mark Ballas, I don't know if he's naturally that quiet, but he has also said, like, two words.

[Kaylin Bell]

Which one's that?

[Dean Bell]

He's the Dancing with the Stars. Long hair.

[Wells Adams]

Really? I agree with that. 100. I also just. I love Maura one as a person, but also like, great TV. So funny.

[Kaylin Bell]

Hasn't really gotten a lot of screen time either.

[Wells Adams]

Just read the phone book to me.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Yes.

[Wells Adams]

That's all I want.

[Dean Bell]

She speaks.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Wait, who's that?

[Wells Adams]

Maura Higgins. She's from Love Island. She's.

[Kaylin Bell]

Oh, yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

It looks like I was kind of hoping that this probably would have been a bad idea, but I was kind of hoping that Rob would have her be a traitor with them because I feel like they'd be funny to watch.

[Wells Adams]

There's definitely a showmance going on.

[Dean Bell]

Oh, yeah, they've alluded to it in, like, every press interview.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah, I think they're just playing into it a little bit, but I just think it would be fun to watch them in the turret together.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Well, this has been a very fun episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. Thanks everyone out there for listening. If you're not following us on social media, please do at By Order the Faithfuls on Insta. If you got questions, comments, concerns, DM us there and we will read them on the show. Make sure you are following subscribing, liking all that stuff on either Spotify or podcast, Apple podcast or the Iheart app. Thank you guys so much for doing this. I know that you probably didn't want to have to do a podcast this morning, but I appreciate it and hanging out with you is always a joy.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Thanks so much.

[Kaylin Bell]

One more question for you.

[Wells Adams]

Okay. I mean, I got through all of that.

[Kaylin Bell]

What's the guy's name, the host?

[Dean Bell]

Alan.

[Wells Adams]

Alan.

[Kaylin Bell]

He goes murder.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

Do you just laugh every time?

[Wells Adams]

I was so annoyed that I didn't wasn't on the show longer because I started, like, doing impersonations of him. Was like, he always, he says dollars. Weird. Like dollars.

[Kaylin Bell]

You know, $3,000. Yeah, that was good.

[Wells Adams]

And I really wanted to be like, like an interview being like $20,000 better.

[Dean Bell]

Pat.

[Kaylin Bell]

It's just every time, every time he says murder, I look at Kayla and

[Dean Bell]

I'm like, he gets so annoyed.

[Wells Adams]

He's also like, we've now been around a done enough reality TV shows and been around a bunch of different hosts. And this is no shade to all the other hosts that I've worked with, but that guy, oh, he commits to this. Good.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah, he's good.

[Wells Adams]

And he also, like, remember when doing the Bachelor, like, was Harrison. Harrison was here. Like, he would hit marks, he would say his line, but then he'd be like, let me do. Let me take it again. And then he'd do it again. This guy is like, he's doing Shakespeare in front of us and then, like, is gone.

[Kaylin Bell]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

And I don't think he's. I think he's got an ear in, but I don't think they're telling him anything. I think he just gets a script.

[Kaylin Bell]

And he is definitely a top tier host from the shows that I've seen. At least.

[Wells Adams]

He's so good at it.

[Kaylin Bell]

And. And kind of to your point too. It's like the Costanza you leave on a high note, right?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Bell]

He knows when to exit every single time. And that's impressive, I think.

[Special Agent Regal]

Think.

[Kaylin Bell]

All right.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Sorry.

[Kaylin Bell]

Thanks for answering that.

[Wells Adams]

Yes. Dollars murder, faithfuls, traders alike. Thanks for listening. We will see you all again very soon. Bye.

[Kaylin Bell]

Bye.

[Wells Adams]

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[Wells Adams]

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