Cameras Don't Lie (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: "Cameras Don't Lie" (RHOSLC Recap)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Date: January 29, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Dolores Catania (filling in for Tamra Judge)
Episode Focus: RHOSLC Season 6 Reunion Recap

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Episode Overview

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod brings Teddi Mellencamp and guest host Dolores Catania together for a deep-dish recap of the explosive Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season 6 reunion. The conversation highlights the emotional intensity, cast dynamics, unforgettable drama (including “the plane incident”), relationships coming apart, and season fallout. As veteran Housewives themselves, Teddi and Dolores analyze the highs and lows with their trademark mix of insight, shade, and empathy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catching Up and Setting the Scene

• Teddi and Dolores start with some friendly banter about winter weather, cold showers, and the chaos of icy streets (02:38–05:00).
  • Notable: Dolores stayed over at Teddi’s, sharing funny anecdotes about kids and home temperatures.
• Dolores shares stories about Teddi’s daughter, Dove, showing off her early negotiating skills (05:47–06:45).

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Salt Lake City Reunion: An Emotional Marathon

• Dolores sets the tone: “Let’s get into Salt Lake City. Holy moly. So this is their last crying final reunion for the season. Good therapy and tissues is all I can think about.” (06:46)
• Both hosts marvel at the sheer amount of tears:
  • Teddi: “I think collectively in the 14 years of New Jersey altogether, it doesn’t amount to the amount of crying in this one reunion.” (07:16)

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The "Plane Incident” Confusion

• The infamous drama on the cast trip plane is dissected—still no clear story.
  • Dolores: “I don’t think we’re ever going to know. It’s going to be the black guy all over again.” (07:49)
  • Teddi: “Mary, who’s been the most sensible one this season, was saying...this story started off with, ‘It was five hours long.’ Then we got to, ‘It was just the descent of the plane.’ And now we have it down to, ‘Well, it was more than 15 minutes.’” (09:08)
• Both express frustration over lack of details and shifting stories, wondering why everyone is so cagey.
• Analysis: The group may be “protecting” someone (possibly Meredith), but there’s consensus that something dramatic (but unspoken) happened.

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Performative Tears and Accountability

• Teddi questions Brittany’s visible emotions:
  • “I found Britney crying to be a little performative…when she had that scene with her daughter…where I would have been on the floor in the fetal position…she didn’t cry, but here she’s sobbing over Meredith.” (08:03)
• Dolores observes Brittany “came back and made it all about herself.”
• No resolution: “I’m not interested. Sorry. I don’t want to hear it. I don’t want to talk about it. I don’t care about what happened on the plane anymore. I’m annoyed.” (12:31, Teddi)

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Pill Passing, Social Media, and the Cast Divide

• The “pill popper” accusation between Meredith and Heather resurfaces with reunion flashbacks, leading to more confusion and social media sniping.
• Monica is highlighted as Heather’s new nemesis, stirring up drama online—Teddi: “Bring back Monica.” (13:54)
• Angie comments about air marshals, leading Teddi and Dolores to question why action wasn’t taken at the time if the event was truly that serious.

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Marriage Troubles and Housewives Fallout

• Andy questions Lisa about her husband John, sparking discussion about how reliving marriage issues on camera impacts real life (18:59–20:48).
  • Dolores: “A lot of people don’t realize what goes on behind the scenes after there’s a relationship talk on camera, and then you have to go home with that person.” (19:13)
  • Teddi reflects on how their own partners have been hurt by televised comments: “He’s not getting paid to do this, so why should he have to put up with any backlash on social media?” (21:31)
• Dolores and Teddi note the harsh scrutiny cast members and their families receive online, with businesses targeted by negative, fake reviews (24:32–25:39).

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Divorce & Loss in the Housewives Universe

• Bronwyn reveals her separation from Todd, describing feelings of isolation, and surprising the group.
  • “She said that she was conforming to be what he wanted to be for so long…This was her decision…” (26:59, Teddi)
  • Teddi credits Bronwyn and all the women for vulnerability: “We have seen a lot of raw emotion and real problems this season.” (28:18)
• Dolores delivers classic Housewives wisdom:
  • “If you come onto the show and you don’t have a good marriage, you will get divorced. It’s just that simple. The camera doesn’t lie.” (28:24)
  • Teddi expands: “If there’s a breach in the integrity of anything in your life…if it’s not ironclad, you are treading in dangerous waters because this is a lot of pressure.” (28:41)

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Housewife Careers, Money, and “The Price of Peace of Mind”

• Both refute the idea that Housewives join the show for the purpose of divorce. Dolores emphasizes financial realities: “She’s only a second season Housewife. She’s not making enough to pay for her dry cleaning bill.” (33:36)
• Teddi gets candid:
  • “There’s no price for peace of mind. I always say that. When you’re sick and tired of being sick and tired, that’s when you…know. When you can’t stand that pit in your stomach anymore.” (33:56)
• They discuss the impact of parental loss and how it can give women the courage to initiate big life changes.

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Relationships & Shifting Cast Dynamics

• Dolores notes that Housewives relationships are layered: “It’s kind of like, I mean, Erica and her ex Tom. Like she was with him for 20 something years. Like she clearly doesn’t like him for what he’s done, but she still loves him. She’s been...with him for 20 plus years.” (36:22)
• Teddi pushes back: “I don’t think she still loves him because she said she’s not even gonna go to his funeral or something…” (36:39)

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Whitney’s Meltdown and Performative Moments

• Whitney is accused of making others’ moments about herself:
  • Dolores: “Why are you making this about you?...It suddenly became all about Whitney.” (37:36)
• Mary’s comic relief: “The best part of it was Mary falling asleep when Whitney was talking about her marriage.” (39:33)

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Production Talk – A Major Red Flag

• Meredith blaming production for her on-camera frustrations is deemed a “kiss of death” by both hosts.
  • Teddi: “Production holds your life in their hands. You better have a really good reason to complain about them if you’re going to go there.” (40:56)
• Dolores warns: “Andy calls Meredith out for constantly blaming production…Is this the kiss of death for Meredith?” (41:32)

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Final Thoughts: Cast Future, Housewives Games, and Season Reflection

• On cast shakeups: Teddi and Dolores speculate on possible exits, suggesting Brittany may not return due to her on-air statements. Meredith and Whitney are also named as possible departures due to lack of clarity and impact this season (45:55).

  • Teddi: “Britney’s not coming back. She said she’ll never film with Meredith again.” (46:01)

• Dolores: “What did Heather bring? What did Angie bring this season? ...They make Heather the star of the show…They are made to be the star and you know they’re not going anywhere.” (47:01)

• Dolores closes with Housewives advice: “Pick your own enemies. Pick your own fights. Stand by your friend, but make your own enemies.” (48:19)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Let’s get into Salt Lake City. Holy moly. So this is their last crying final reunion for the season. Good therapy and tissues is all I can think about.” – Dolores (06:46)

• “I think collectively in the 14 years of New Jersey altogether, it doesn’t amount to the amount of crying in this one reunion.” – Teddi (07:16)

• “I found Britney crying to be a little performative…when she had that scene with her daughter…she didn’t cry, but here she’s sobbing over Meredith.” – Teddi (08:03)

• “If you come onto the show and you don’t have a good marriage, you will get divorced. It’s just that simple. The camera doesn’t lie.” – Dolores (28:24)

• “If there’s a breach in the integrity of anything in your life…you are treading in dangerous waters because this is a lot of pressure.” – Teddi (28:41)

• “Production holds your life in their hands. You better have a really good reason to complain about them if you’re going to go there.” – Teddi (40:56)

• “Pick your own enemies. Pick your own fights. Stand by your friend, but make your own enemies.” – Dolores (48:19)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |---------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:38–06:45 | Teddi & Dolores catch up; family & weather banter | | 06:46–07:16 | Reunion tone set: “so much crying” | | 07:49–12:41 | The Plane Incident: what really happened? | | 12:41–14:04 | Pill accusations, social media drama, Heather vs Monica | | 18:59–21:31 | Lisa Barlow/John marriage discussion; off-camera repercussions | | 24:32–25:39 | Negative reviews and cast members’ business fallout | | 26:28–28:24 | Bronwyn’s separation, vulnerability, & relationship commentary | | 28:24–29:12 | Housewives “curse”: relationships & financial integrity under scrutiny | | 33:19–34:35 | Why women don’t join Housewives to get divorced—financial realities | | 37:36–39:33 | Whitney’s reunion breakdown & performative moments; Mary falls asleep | | 40:24–41:32 | Production blame: Meredith calls out production, Andy pushes back | | 45:55–47:24 | Cast speculation: who might stay, who might go | | 48:19–49:08 | Dolores’s Housewives wisdom; closing thoughts; favorite trips from the season |

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Overall Takeaway

Teddi and Dolores bring honest, irreverent, and empathetic perspective to the chaos of the RHOSLC reunion. The main themes include the hazards of reality TV pressure on real relationships (“the cameras don’t lie”), the inevitability of audience backlash, and the high cost of authenticity (and sometimes a lack thereof). The hosts make clear that, despite the drama, vulnerability and true emotion are what sustain the franchise—and each Housewife’s journey. The season finale is given a warm but realistic sendoff, with speculation about the uncertain future of the cast.

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For listeners who want the inside track on RHOSLC’s most talked-about reunion yet—and candid advice from women who’ve lived it—this episode is essential.

Transcript

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy

[Nancy Glass]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Dolores]

Hi, guys.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Welcome back.

[Dolores]

Another episode of Two Teas and a Pod with myself and Dolores. Hi.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hi. How are you?

[Dolores]

I'm good. I am.

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[Dolores]

I was with Teddy yesterday. I spent the night with her Monday night.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I love that.

[Dolores]

Yeah, we just laid in bed and watched tv and then the next morning we went and did Jeff Lewis and from there we went back to her house and did a couple podcasts and some tiktoks and then. Yeah. So how are you? How's the storm?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was fun. So the storm was horrible. It was the first time today since the storm that I even walked outside of my house to go to the gym.

[Dolores]

You walk to the gym or do you drive to the gym?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I drove and it was. The streets were ice, a sheet of ice. And I had to go down a big hill and I slid down almost into oncoming traffic. So it's like shaking. I never get shaken up.

[Dolores]

Guys have to put chains on your tires like we do in Big Bear.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, no, it's not like that.

[Dolores]

Why not? I mean, if you put chains and you don't slide on the ice.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, it's not like that all the time. I've never seen one person with chains on their tires in my life.

[Dolores]

Really? Then why don't we have to do it in Big Bear? We can't even get up the mountain. Well, if you have a four wheel drive, you can, but if you don't, you have to put chains on your car so you literally just slide backwards.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I just get scared. Like, I'm not afraid of a lot of things, but that scares me, not being able to stop the car. So no, like if it wouldn't.

[Dolores]

Hey, was there a lot of people on the road?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, there was traffic everywhere because all the streets, like, some streets are clear, some aren't. Anyway, it's not fun. New Jersey weather is never fun at all. And then I took a cold shower yesterday because it was so cold. The water was cold. It was horrible.

[Dolores]

Do your pipes freeze?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They do if you don't keep the heat on.

[Dolores]

Yeah, that's how. Like in Big Bear, when we leave, if it's going to be a certain degrees, we have to keep the heater on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, shut up. Hold on one second. Paul's on his way home and I have the air conditioning on. Hold on.

[Dolores]

What does she have the air conditioning on for? Like, hello, Dolores. Like, why would you have the air on that would be so bad? Why would you have the air on if it's freezing? We were just talking about how freezing

[Teddy Mellencamp]

it is outside because the house was too hot. It was.

[Dolores]

Is it? No, you are too hot. It's menopause.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So the house was too hot and I. It's hard to open the window, so I just put the air on. If he came home and saw that, he would have a heart attack. Anyway, don't tell him.

[Dolores]

Yeah, Teddy's house. She keeps Like I swear is 100 degrees inside of her house. She gets, she gets cold really easy. So she was sleeping on a heating pad and it was like 80 degrees and I'm like, it's too hot. I can't sleep like this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh my God.

[Dolores]

Yeah. If you want to see me naked, I need to turn it down.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wow, that's rough. But it sounds like fun. I think I would deal with the heat if it meant being able to hang out with her. Yeah, that was a really nice time you had. It sounds like.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it was really nice. And dove. Oh my God, I have a tattoo in my hand. Because this little girl is like a talker, a negotiator. Like 6 o' clock in the morning she gets up, Teddy's getting glam, takes me downstairs. Just the way she Talks for a 5 year old is insane. And of course she has a nanny. And she's like, so I want to eat. And I said okay, well what do you want? Well, Maria said that I can't wake her up until 6:30. She has strict orders that I'm not allowed to wake her up until 6:30. Oh, okay. And I go, well it's 6:20. Can you wait 10 minutes? I guess so, I guess, I guess.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, she's cute. She's cute.

[Dolores]

Do you have a coffee pot? And she's like, why, why, why, why do adults drink coffee? I don't get it. She was so funny.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She sounds cute.

[Dolores]

Yes. So let's get into Salt Lake City. Holy moly. So this is their last crying final reunion for the season. Good therapy and tissues is all I can think about.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I've never seen so many people cry so much.

[Dolores]

And I know you loved it at a reunion.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think Collectively in the 14 years of new Jersey altogether, it doesn't amount to the amount of crying in this one reunion.

[Dolores]

I know. So it, you know, last week it ended with Britney running off stage crying the whole thing. And it starts off with Meredith, Mary and Meredith beginning to talk through what happened on the plane. Trying to get some clarity on this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And are you cleared up on this yet? No, no, no, I don't feel so bad. I thought maybe it's me. I.

[Dolores]

No, no, I don't think we're ever going to know. It's going to be the black guy all over again. Then Britney walks back in and, and brings the conversation back to her and all I can think of was, oh, did you not get enough attention as a child?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I found Britney crying to be a little performative because I've seen Her in much more, you know, emotional situations where she doesn't cry, where her daughter, you know, when she had that scene with her daughter and her daughter was going over all these things where I would have been on the floor in the fetal position, basically, if I was in front of my daughter saying these things to me and I would have had to face all that, I would have been sobbing, throwing up, and not even exaggerating to you about how the guilt I would feel. But yet she's crying over something Meredith is saying about her. I mean, I don't get it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I mean, Mary was making headway and having a real conversation with Meredith and Brittany comes back and made it all about herself. Like I said, I don't think that we got any clarity on what went down on that plane. And I think it comes down to there's no proof.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's no proof. Here's the thing. Mary, who's been the most sensible one this season, was saying, see, it started off. This story started off with. It was five hours long. Then we got to. It was just the descent of the plane.

[Dolores]

Yes. And we were all buckled in and we couldn't do anything about it. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then now we have it down to. Well, it was more than 15 minutes,

[Dolores]

which I think we can all agree something went down on the plane. Meredith lost her shit on Britney. And that's it. That's it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We got no details from anyone. No, listen, I can tell you verbatim exactly. I mean, I can't remember where my keys are right now, but when something happens, sometimes I'm usually pretty good.

[Dolores]

You have a good memory.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Something like that. I would probably be pretty good at saying what happened. And if I couldn't, maybe the other 10 girls would be able to. That were there.

[Dolores]

Well, the thing that's confusing is the other 10 girls, or however many all have the same story. And even Lisa Barlow, when she got back, had the same story when she, you know, gave a rundown to her husband and then quickly changed her story. So I think, like I said, we can all agree something went down. It was probably pretty dramatic. And there's no proof of it. All it is is her word against theirs.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, here it is. Here's. Here's what I'm going to say. Mary said something very telling. And she said, we're not protecting Britney. We're protecting.

[Dolores]

Yes, yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And that's all I needed to hear

[Dolores]

to know that we know Mary does not like Britney.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, no, no, no, she doesn't. But she said that's for Somebody said we're. Heather said we're protecting you, not Brittany, by not talking about it. Yeah, get my point. And Mary's like, yeah, that's for sure. So I kind of took it like, not that. Cause she doesn't like Meredith really that much either. Mary.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But. But I took it more like they're just keeping it close to the chest because maybe they don't want to get anybody in real trouble.

[Dolores]

Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Well, I think something else went down on that plane and that's the reason why they can't explain everything and why can't talk about it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Brittany has nothing to lose now because the one thing that she was worried about coming out is out. Meredith talked about her sticking up for an anti Semite and some type of thing that had on that she vouched for and went on and whatever. So Britney was clearly very nervous about that coming out because when it did she was like, fuck, really? You're gonna go here right now?

[Dolores]

Do you think that maybe it was brought up or maybe she did say it was brought up during the season, but it was never shown.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe, I don't know. But whatever it was, Brittany didn't want it coming out. And at that point, whatever Britney had to say about what happened on that plane, she should have fucking said it. So at this point, I'm so fuck annoyed. And nothing ever came out about this or. We never got a straight answer that

[Dolores]

I comment on this show though.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm not interested. I'm not interested. Sorry. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't care about what happened on the plane anymore. I'm annoyed.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well. And he does apologize to Meredith for calling her an alcoholic and a pill popper.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She does. But she said she was saying it in defense. She was defending herself from the things that she said. She can't stand merit. Whitney cannot stand Meredith.

[Dolores]

Well, Meredith and Heather argue about whether Meredith said that Heather pops pills in her confessional. And then they do this flashback of Meredith's confessional did her no favors because she clearly said that she has seen Heather do pills.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well then. So then Heather's like, well, I've given you pills. So now we're going to talk about who's given pills out on the cast. And she goes as I'm literally opening up my zofran while I'm watching it

[Dolores]

because I'm nauseous to make you not throw up. That's not like some pill that's not a pill. I gave you a Zofran necessity.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Me and Paul looked at each other like oh that was the worst. Like are you kidding me? Monica just made an insta post about so now we're going to talk about Heather giving out pills.

[Dolores]

Oh Heather. I mean Monica's coming for Heather.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Big time. Big time. She has Heather has an arch enemy in Monica. Bring back Monica.

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[Dolores]

That's what I have to say now. Angie did pipe in on all this and said if you would have done that to me, the air marshals would have been waiting for you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So then if you felt that strongly about it, why don't you do something

[Dolores]

about it while it was happening?

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[Dolores]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Teddy Mellencamp]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

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Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The moment you look at the whole

[Dolores]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Dolores]

So Andy asked Lisa what is going on with her marriage? After viewers expressing John wanted to embarrass her. Do you think John wanted to embarrass her? I didn't really. I didn't see it like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No.

[Dolores]

Viewers are just insane.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Sometimes their questions like so I don't think. And she was so she actually A lot of people don't realize what goes on behind the scenes after there's a relationship talk on camera, and then you have to go home with that person. And the housewife is like, you fucking do know. Like, she said to John, you do know what I'm gonna get for that. You just friggin confirmed what people come at me for, and now you gave them something.

[Dolores]

Eddie's done that to me before.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Paul. What about when Paul. You guys went after him when Paul was like, you think I'm gonna get on one? Okay, first of all, I should have said, who asked you in the first place? Number one. But I was like. When he was saying it, I was like, you're going down. Like, you're gonna have to.

[Dolores]

You just dug your own grave.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But so people listen when. When that said on camera, you have no idea, guys, when those doors close, when you get home, what happened? So I feel like John got his ass handed to him for a very long time because Lisa's like, I would die protecting you. I would never have said something about you.

[Dolores]

Well, she said she cried for two days and didn't want to be around John.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, and I can imagine he probably felt bad thinking, what did I do? I'm sure he felt bad, but it's like, this is the pressure of having a relationship on the show.

[Dolores]

And sometimes these guys don't know what to say during filming or it's not really their thing. And that's how Eddie comes across sometimes. And they just say things. I go, why would you say that? I don't know. I. I just felt like they think they should say something. I'm like, just be yourself.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

See, I never went after Paul for saying that, although I should have. But I just hate letting the. The show affect me like that. Like what he. Paul, will say, why'd you say that? That's going to be aired. I'm gonna look bad. I'm like, it wasn't a big deal and that's not gonna make it. And he'll fight with me for months until it comes out. He'll be like. He'll be like, oh, it's.

[Dolores]

He's more worried about his image than you are.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

100,000% like Paul. But because it's not his show, he didn't sign up for this.

[Dolores]

Right, right, right, right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He's not getting paid to do this, so why should he have to put up with any backlash on social media? Because look how bad it is. Look what Angel's dealing with.

[Dolores]

Well, look what Muzzy's dealing with. And we'll get to that next. But Lisa now at the scene is literally trying to explain how she feels about the scene with her husband.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

And.

[Dolores]

And the girls start talking over her, adding their two cents, telling her how she should feel. It's like at that moment I felt like she just can't win. She can't win.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Not at all. I think it was a pretty one sided reunion where it was three hours or however long, 10 hours of every, all of them against Lisa and Meredith. Like they were damned if they did everybody else. And I'm glad that the two of them had each other because sometimes most cases it's only everybody against one person.

[Dolores]

Yes, I know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Trust me, these two stuck together.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I like that. Now Bronwyn opens up about her father's passing as well as what Muzzy went through after reading comments. I mean, I would ask you, do you think the Internet was too harsh on Muzzy? We know the Internet is harsh on everybody. If they hear something they don't like, it's like it's the them. Oh, let's, you know, put her in the firing range. Like it's just crazy how the Internet works. Now. Muzzy is not used to this and it's just she's older and if she's reading these things, it's probably really, really hurting her feelings. And then Bronwan says that Muzzy blames her for how the viewers received her. And I'm like, well that, you know, can't feel sorry for you if you're going to go and blame your daughter.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think Muzzy realizes how she's been or what she's, you know, I honestly don't. And Bronwyn's like, it's still my mother, right?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So no matter what, it's still her mother. She must love her mother enough to keep taking care of her. You know what, it's funny because she has two sisters and she seems from what we know from her that she seems to have been treated and from Muzzy too, it seems like Bronwyn was treated the least kind of her sisters. And who's the one there taking care of them? Who's the one moving them in the house? Bronwyn. Who's the one cleaning out the house? Bronwyn's husband.

[Dolores]

Wait, have we seen the other two sisters?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Never.

[Dolores]

We haven't seen them, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Never. And it's funny because there's so many things that you read and it's, it's well known that the kid that gets the Least attention growing up is usually the one in the end that takes the most care of the parents.

[Dolores]

Did you happen to read what's going on with Angel?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I did. And her business is getting hammered by, like, getting one right reviews. And it's from people that have never

[Dolores]

been to her actual business. Now when you're on a TV show, especially Housewives, where you're judged how you're judged if you own a business. Happened to me. We had people writing ne negative, nasty reviews on Yelp about Cut Fitness that had never stepped one foot into it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Nothing you could do about it. And it's.

[Dolores]

There's nothing you can do about it. And it's sad because this is her business and we really didn't get to see it. It looked amazing. The. The chef out there and so beautiful. And they're going to judge her business and leave reviews about how shitty it is. And to those people, they can go f off because it takes so much to build a business to have somebody like them leave bad reviews. Ugh. It's very frustrating. Like, get a life.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Her. Her business was not showcased well, but it was really.

[Dolores]

We didn't even get to. We didn't get there.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But it was poor planning. Listen, I knew she was going to get hosed. I knew it.

[Dolores]

Her husband's going to be. Screw this. We are. We are not going back to the show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She has nothing to go to.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Nobody's sticking up her. Nobody. Kiara tried, but there's only so much you could do. You can't. Can't go against Giselle. You're not going to win.

[Dolores]

No, I would never want to go up against.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You have to go with her. It's like swimming in a riptide. You'll drown if you go against the tide. So, like, Stacy, when she's fighting with Jesus, said, thank you. That's amazing. I love it. Didn't even think of myself like that. But now that you say it.

[Dolores]

All right, then. Then Ron tells Andy about her and Todd separating. She explains how isolated Todd made her feel. The girls were all shocked.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They were. They don't know. Apparently, she doesn't share her personal business with them.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I was like, I thought for sure she had to have been close enough to some of the girls that she would have told them. And that's not even like. Like, I think it was Whitney's like, do you live in the same house? And she's like, no, he lives in a different state.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He lives in New York. Yeah, she was in New York.

[Dolores]

New York. I mean, There have been stuff on Instagram about him out to dinner in New York with girls. Okay, well, I've seen it. So

[Teddy Mellencamp]

she said that she was conforming to be what he wanted to be for so long. And then when she saw it, because this was her decision when she saw, and I think it was the big thing of like wanting, she asked, do you want me to be with another girl? Because if that's what you want. That was the most pathetic thing I had ever seen. It was like a pathetic thing. But you know, Bronwyn, I mean, if you peel all the layers away and we go back to a 17 year old girl who gets pregnant, whose mom treats her like a pariah in the family, she's not accepted in her religion anymore. She's not accepted as, you know, the, you know, a proud member of the family like her sisters. She's been through so much in her life and she finally got some independence.

[Dolores]

She got it. She got on a hit TV show, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And she's doing amazing. She's amazing. She's going to have Andy, even though she's not talking for the first two episodes. But I mean, she's going through a lot. I give her a lot of credit. And I think all the girls really, really wore their heart on their sleeve. So maybe we don't have answers for the fucking stupid plane, stupid fucking ride. And I don't even want to hear about it ever again.

[Dolores]

Never again.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But we have seen a lot of raw emotion and real problems this season.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I mean, I've said it a million times. If you come onto the show and you don't have a good marriage, you will get divorced. It's just that simple. The camera's going to. The camera doesn't lie. It's going to showcase the cracks in your marriage and then when the cameras go down, it's going to make you guys fight more and you're going to get separated.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I could take it a step further, Tamara. If there's a breach in the integrity of anything in your life, your finances, your mental state, your relationship with your children, your marriage, your business, if it is not ironclad, right, you are in treading in dangerous waters because this is a lot of pressure on anything. And if it's not, if there's a crack, it's gonna break.

[Joe Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Dolores]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16. You're gonna have a terrible time with men.

[Joe Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are Misunderstood A Sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Dolores]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the the isness of it all.

[Joe Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Dolores]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Teddy Mellencamp]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The moment you look at the whole

[Dolores]

picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Joe Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him, but the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden Of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

He pulls the gun, tells me to

[Teddy Mellencamp]

lie down on the ground.

[Nancy Glass]

He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

The best lie is partial truth.

[Nancy Glass]

For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dolores]

This is a question that I got asked a lot like, do you think Ramen came onto the show for an out to get divorced?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I don't think so.

[Dolores]

I don't think anybody does because people have asked me that before. I'm like, no, I don't. I didn't go on to it. Go like, oh, good, I can get a divorce. You know, it wasn't what I was thinking.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I don't think that they realize she's only a second season housewife. She's not making enough to pay for her dry cleaning bill.

[Dolores]

I did not make enough to really support myself when I left. And mind you, I got no spousal support, no child support. I was left in two bedroom apartment selling my clothes on ebay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. So there's, there's no price for peace of mind. I always say that. And when you're sick of being sick and tired, and when you're sick and tired of being sick and tired, that's when you, you know, when you can't stand that pit in your stomach anymore. So she, I give her a lot of, a lot of credit. But also when you lose a parent and she said that she had a very strong relationship with her dad. When you, when you have such a significant loss in your life, it makes you stronger sometimes.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I didn't realize her dad passed away while she didn't either.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think it was public because if I had ever seen that, I would have absolutely reached out to her. Maybe I missed it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I don't think she ever posted about it, but I think it was right after. Did she say they got home so

[Teddy Mellencamp]

sad shortly after he fell and it was from a fall.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So.

[Dolores]

Well, that's what happened to eddie's grandma, who's 100 years old. She fell right before her birthday and we thought, oh man, she ain't gonna make it. And yeah, she did.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She did.

[Dolores]

Woman. This woman, I swear. Wow. Well, we did find out that Mary thought Todd eating Ron's cherry was cute and funny. I think it's cute and funny if it happened to mean Eddie. I don't think it's cute and funny if it happened to somebody that's been fighting and he's been kind of, you know, off. I will say in a nice, polite way in this relationship, not treated her so well. She just got done saying like something about the cherry and he ate it. I thought it was rude because it was Todd. If it was any other husband, if Polly did that, she would be like, haha, that was cute. So I'm going to disagree on Mary with Mary on this one.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Here's the thing. Todd was just being himself and that was the norm for their marriage and their relationship. Todd is not being anything but what he's been since she met him. So at one point that was okay. And for a long time, being married, having the lifestyle you want, which isn't for free, all these things, that is a problem now. Wasn't a problem all these years.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So maybe we're looking at it as always being nasty or whatever, but there's a part of him she does love. Yeah.

[Dolores]

I mean, she's been with him for a long time.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's been with him a long time.

[Dolores]

It's kind of like, I mean, Erica and her ex Tom. Like she was with him for 20 something years. Like she clearly doesn't like him for what he's done, but she still loves him. She's been. She was with him for 20 plus years.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think she still loves him because she said she's not even gonna go to his funeral or something. Okay. I'm not saying she still loves him.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Sorry.

[Dolores]

Well, I mean, she still cares about.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think so. Because she said that even if she found out he was sick, she wasn't going to say him. You don't care about somebody like that. She does not care about him.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Okay.

[Dolores]

All right. You're right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Right. So that's okay. It's okay not to care about him. He left you in a bad position, but he gave you a good life for a long time.

[Dolores]

Huh. Whitney lost me on this next scene where Whitney is really emotional, hearing Bronwyn talk about it and she says it relates to a lot of what she is sharing. She relates to that. I'm like, what are you doing? Why are you making this about you? She explains that she is going through something very hard herself, but didn't tell us what it was. And it suddenly became all about Whitney.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So here's the thing. She said she's the Todd in the relationship.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

And.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But, you know, Whitney wants a wild lifestyle. Wild Whitney Rose wants a wild. An open, wild lifestyle. Because when Bronwyn mentioned that there was. That maybe she was going to ask Todd, or there was a whole scene where Bronwyn now talks about, you know, if Todd wants an open relationship to keep this. Maybe this is something I'll try. And I think, am I wrong? But did Whitney say, oh, that's something I'd like too. That sounds like fun. Blah, blah, blah. And, you know, Whitney, now you're looking at it like, well, maybe that's not something that my husband would have wanted. Yeah, they were both saying the same thing at the scene. But. But it was Whitney saying she wanted it, not that her husband, who's always smiling with dimples, even when they're fighting, she. He's smiling. I don't. It's like he has a perpetual smile.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So Whitney, you know, is looking at Bronwyn and saying, I'm the Todd to this wonderful man who is in the backstage, so I'm going to run to his arms. He is so.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But in the season, she was blaming her. Him for losing money and doing all this stuff, and now she's kind of backtracking. It just makes me to believe, like, is. Did he get mad at her this season and now she's trying to fix things.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Mad at her for what?

[Dolores]

For saying, like, blaming her for the demise of her business.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Claiming Justin for the demise of her business. Remember, she was blaming that so bad. She took that so bad. She was mad at everybody. She blamed Lisa. She. The show got him fired originally after season one, he lost his job. The show. But did he really?

[Dolores]

Well, I don't think you can lose your job over something like that. I think it could have been the nail in the coffin. Could have been other reasons maybe. And that was the nail in the coffin. But I mean, the best part of it was Mary falling asleep when Whitney was talking about her marriage. I mean, Mary. Mary's like, oh, I wasn't sleeping. I was just like this. I was like this. There was no sleeping.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So her running back and then saying, like, I. He's crazy for her.

[Dolores]

Yeah, he's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He. She's got him good.

[Dolores]

Mary was a little bit shady. When Andy brings up Brooks calling Meredith on Mother's Day, the whole incident, and then married to Britney. Did your daughter Call you. I'm like, I didn't really love that. I didn't really love that she said that. I mean, it's kind of just like,

[Teddy Mellencamp]

well, Britney's saying, like, well, we all waited for our kids to call. No, you didn't. I don't. I don't know if you were. But.

[Dolores]

But Meredith, this is where it scares me. For Meredith, for her future on the show. Because Meredith admits that her frustration was not about talking to Brooks. It was about being frustrated with production. And Andy's saying this sentence right here. What this time? And when Meredith blames production.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That wasn't good.

[Dolores]

That wasn't good.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Production holds your life in their hands. You better have a really good reason to complain about them if you're going to go there.

[Dolores]

Because it's not good unless you have somebody on the crew that's just really miserable to work with and doing things that are not cool. I've never had that happen. Never been in that situation ever. The crews are always so nice. Now, Andy. But Andy calls Meredith out for constantly blaming production. And they flash back to many moments of her doing so. Is this the kiss of death for Meredith?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think it's good. But then where does that leave Lisa?

[Dolores]

I don't know. But then we get to the cast and I felt like it was a little performative. They. Some of them start crying, talking about bringing up the cast and how I'm like, I mean, the crew and all that. I'm like, what are you guys doing?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then we started talking about production.

[Dolores]

What are you doing?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And they were like, it was kind of.

[Dolores]

It was kind of ass kissy. Oh. I mean, it's one thing to say, you know what, you're an ass. Don't blame it on production. But it's like to get like the way they.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then. And then Brittany's like, yeah, and I feel the same way. And then. And Whitney was like, cry like, they're a crew. And then Mary's like, I have a problem. And then Mary starts crying over the. The crew.

[Dolores]

And do you have somebody on your cast that was really nasty to production?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Never. No. New Jersey's not nasty like that now.

[Dolores]

Oh, we do. I'll just put a. Leave it at that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. Okay. No, no. Neither one of them. They were not always easy to work with, but they didn't.

[Dolores]

Jacqueline or Siggy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, listen, we all have our moments where we're like, leave us the alone.

[Dolores]

Oh, yes. But not like going off and blaming them for things and creating, taking it all the Way to Broadway.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Not Jennifer Aiden.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Jennifer Aiden was very nice to the Danielle.

[Nancy Glass]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Nope. We know who our bosses are. And I look at them like, nah.

[Dolores]

I look at one. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I look at production like, yes, they're a part of our cast, and. And, yes, they should be treated with respect, but there's times, and there are certain producers that do not deserve respect. Not none of who I've come across in a long time, but in the past, like the draconian producers who produce where they want to just run you into the ground and ruin your life. They're there, but not typically. And we've been in this game all too long to allow that.

[Dolores]

Mm. Now, Ron points out that Meredith used her as an assistant to get information on camera. That's interesting, because have you ever had anybody on your show that's like, tries to give you information so you can use it? Bronwyn points out that Meredith used her as her assistant.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, she. Well, she said that on the show, too.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But I must get information on camera. Basically, it's to give information. Like, it happens all the time. Like, somebody tells somebody something, and then you know they're going to bring it up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, if you say it on camera,

[Dolores]

on camera's fine, But I'm talking off camera.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's on you if you want to bring it, because if it's not set on camera, you could do what you want with it. So, Bronwyn, you cannot blame Meredith for telling you something off camera and saying, she just wanted me to bring it out. Because if you brought it out, then that's on you.

[Dolores]

Well, Meredith apologized to her. She is. I don't know if it's sincere, but she was taking accountability for that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Of all things to take accountability for. And I don't even think that's like, let's take accountability for something else that we all want to know about, not about this.

[Dolores]

Oh, my God. Waiting for you to say that. All right. Well, it ends with Lisa explains that she and Angie had a moment at the Us Weekly shooting, and then she heard what Angie said about her, and it hurt her feelings. Happens all too often on Housewives.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You think you're good, but you're not good.

[Dolores]

And then all of a sudden, somebody goes at Bravo Con and walks the red carpet and talks shit about you. And you're like, we just had a moment. What are you doing?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But you're not well, bitch.

[Dolores]

Right. Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You can't move on from something like that. Like, if I make up with you and then you go and talk about Me again after that. Then I'm going to get pissed off and then I'm going to be even more mad than I was the first time.

[Dolores]

But they do decide to move forward Angie and Lisa, so we'll see how long that lasts. What do you think the cast will be next season? Do you think there's going to be a little bit of a shake up

[Teddy Mellencamp]

or think anybody's not coming back? Britney's not coming back. She said she'll never film with Meredith again.

[Dolores]

So you don't think Britney statement.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Unless Britney was ill advised and thought that Meredith is getting fired.

[Dolores]

The only other two I can think about possibly could be on the chopping block would be Whitney and Meredith. And I say Meredith because of the fact of that production talk, not because I don't think she's great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What did Whitney. You mean Meredith? Meredith in production? What about Whitney?

[Dolores]

I just, I don't know. I don't know that she brought enough this season. I just didn't, I didn't feel her this season. Did you?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but sometimes you miss a season. Like you can't bring it every season. There's always, you know, it doesn't mean that, you know, unlike you who bring it every season, not everybody brings it every season. It doesn't mean you're not going to be back the next year. What did Heather bring? What did Angie bring this season?

[Dolores]

You know, they make Heather the star of the show. So I'm like, you just know like certain people, they are made to be the star of the show and you know, they're not going anywhere. The staple of the show, I should say. I just kind of felt like Whitney going backstage and having the meltdown. I found it performative.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, let's see. Because you don't know. That's why I never say, you know, there's been times where cast will get together and be like, yeah, let's get her out. We're not gonna, we're gonna refuse to film with her and you know, and that doesn't always work.

[Dolores]

So you better that backfires. That's kind of what happened to me last season.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Better watch out that, that doesn't backfire on you. Wait, what happened to you last season?

[Dolores]

Well, just everyone, like, you know, some of the girls on my show trying to ice me out. Didn't want, wouldn't like for Shannon. She would barely talk to me all season. I tried to make up with her. She barely talked to me. And then, you know, try to get, rally the people around. Like don't roll on me. Don't let her back. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yep. Not happening. Call me what you want. I ain't doing that. Ever.

[Dolores]

No, not at all.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No way.

[Dolores]

Not good to do stuff like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Pick your own enemies. Pick your own fights. Stand by your friend, but make your own enemies.

[Dolores]

Right. Well, that's it. So goodbye to Salt Lake City, season six.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, ladies, like Andy said, thank you for being so vulnerable. Thank you for being very transparent. Although Heather's dating and we didn't know. Thank you for everything that you brought to the table.

[Dolores]

It was great. It was a good season.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was amazing. I love you all, by the way, guys. Thank you. And you know what my favorite part was? The play. I know. I like it. The play was my. The third trip.

[Dolores]

I hate it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Their trip to Greece was my favorite. And that play was amazing. I was a little bit jealous that

[Dolores]

we've wanted to go to Greece for years. For years we've been talking about wanting to go to Greece and it just never happens.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Angie, Angie, that's not for sure.

[Dolores]

It's not gonna happen.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Listen, that's how you plan a trip. Angie, angel, you got to take notes there, honey.

[Dolores]

Take notes, sweetie. Take notes. Okay, guys, thank you so much for tuning in.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Thank you. Bye. Everyone deserves to be connected.

[Dolores]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Dolores]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Dolores]

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[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

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[Dolores]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Dolores]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is Special Agent Regal. Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years. Until a confession changed everything.

[Agent or Interviewee (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dolores]

What if mind control is real?

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

If you could control the behavior of

[Teddy Mellencamp]

anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Dolores]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're

[Teddy Mellencamp]

to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Dolores]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau Podcast)]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Dolores]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Amanda Knox]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious mind games.

[Dolores]

A new podcast Exploring nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming. Is it a self help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Joe Winterstein]

Guaranteed Human.