Can You Forgive A Cheater? (SLOMW Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Can You Forgive A Cheater? (SLOMW Recap) – December 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod brings Tamra Judge together with special guest co-host Jana Kramer to break down Season 3, Episodes 8 & 9 of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (SLOMW). The hosts rehash the dramatic relationship twists, sexual betrayal scandals, cast career moves, and reality TV production insights. Deep discussions are wrapped in Tamra and Jana’s candid, unfiltered style, often drawing on their own industry and life experiences. The episode explores whether you can truly forgive a cheater, what reality TV fame brings, and how real issues like sexual trauma are handled onscreen.

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1. Special Guest, Industry Chatter, and SLOMW Star Updates

(03:30–11:56)

Guest Introduction:

• Jana Kramer joins Tamra Judge; they joke about pronunciation of her name and adapting to life in Tennessee after leaving LA (03:30–05:10).
• Jana explains her move for family and work–leaving LA acting for the community life in Nashville.

Career Crossovers:

• Discussion of Whitney Levitt (SLOMW) taking on a starring and executive producer role in the new film All for Love (05:27–07:56).
  • “She hasn’t been proven to be an actress... So this is kind of like, all right, girl. Like, this is, you know, let’s see what you got.” — Jana (07:14)
• Comparisons to Housewife world: reality stars leveraging fame for new entertainment opportunities; both hosts note "the business is hard" and using whatever 'in' you can get.
  • “I went the back door, too, on that. The only way I got a country record deal was because I was on a TV show.” — Jana (08:15)

Talk of Broadway & Reality TV:

• Whitney Levitt’s additional Broadway gig and the trend of reality stars taking stage roles.
• Jana asked repeatedly to do reality TV—doesn’t want to hurt her acting but says “I won’t say no to anything... could lead me to where I want to go” (10:08)
• Housewife geography game: few stars actually live in the cities their shows are named for—a playful jab at franchise reality authenticity.
  • “The only one that actually lives in Beverly Hills... most live in the Valley.” — Tamra (11:31)

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2. SLOMW Recap: Relationship Drama and Cheating Scandal

(12:02–19:52)

Dakota’s Sexting and Taylor’s Heartbreak:

• The episode pivots to Season 3, Episodes 8 & 9 recap, kicking off with Dakota’s sexting scandal involving Taylor’s mom’s friend.
• Hosts empathize with Taylor’s pain, discuss trauma of cheating, and debate what counts as betrayal if the relationship is off/on:
  • “Girls, we don’t need to know all the details.” — Tamra (13:05)
  • “You just get stuck on that... wheel of it... all women want to believe that this man’s going to change.” — Jana (14:29)

On Forgiveness:

• Tamra questions ability to work through cheating; Jana believes it’s possible if behavior changes.
  • “If you keep breaking down the wall and keep cheating and keep lying, trust will never get rebuilt...” — Jana (13:35)
• The gray areas of Taylor/Dakota’s relationship status fuel confusion and judgment.

Cheating, Fame & the Cycle:

• Speculation that Taylor’s Bachelorette opportunity may be the true relationship ender (“She probably would have stayed with him if she didn’t get the Bachelorette call.” — Jana, 14:58)

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3. Whitney, Reality TV & Redemption Arcs

(22:01–26:11)

Whitney’s Career, Hot Seat Reunions, and “Bringing Storyline”:

• Whitney feels alienated after the season two reunion, which both hosts liken to their own experiences as the story-driving, sometimes “villainized” cast members.
  • “...when you are the person that’s bringing stuff up, you are the storyline, then you are going to be more on the hot seat.” — Jana (23:38)
• Discussion of “MomTok” and cast dynamics; whether Whitney’s business focus or standing up for unpopular friends makes her a target.

Jana on Reality TV Structure:

• Why certain girls are always ‘in trouble’; reality TV needs someone to stir conflict for story.

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4. Sensitive Topics: Trauma, Honesty, and Support

(26:12–28:48, 47:53–50:26)

Michaela & Jace: Sharing Trauma

• Michaela bravely opens up to her husband about childhood sexual abuse.
• Hosts empathetically discuss the difficulty of such family secrets and their own related experiences.
  • “She’s holding on to information from when she was six years old... so brave.” — Tamra (26:58)
  • “It’s a violation.” — Jana (50:08)

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5. LGBTQ Pride & Cast Friendship Shifts

(28:11–31:42)

MomTok’s Pride Party:

• Scenes of allies supporting the LGBTQ community in conservative Utah; Macy putting Pride flags out at home as her form of activism.
• Lighthearted moments about difficulty getting grocery stores to allow filming.

Layla “Tried Out for the Wrong Brother”:

• Banter about Layla now dating her ex’s brother; hosts reflect on their own “wrong friend but never wrong brother” moments (47:06).

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6. Dancing with the Stars & Reality Production Insights

(29:56–34:03)

Dance Drama:

• Jen and Whitney both got “Dancing with the Stars” slots, fueling cast envy and plenty of drama.
• Jana shares her own experience—how tough the rehearsals are, her love for the show, and that Whitney’s talents made her the clear favorite.

Producer Cues:

• Dina Katz cast both for potential conflict, and it worked.
  • “You know they know to have those two, that’s gonna bring the drama. And it did.” — Jana (30:43)

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7. Marciano, Demi, and the Nature of Accountability

(39:52–46:04; 54:40–56:49)

Demi’s Controversy:

• Demi skips the reunion “for Disneyland,” which both host call out as unacceptable in reality TV.
• The Marciano texts: crossing the line between joking and emotional cheating; ambiguity about what really happened between them.
  • “If my husband saw a text message from another guy that said, ‘good morning beautiful,’ shit’s gonna be not good.” — Jana (41:18)
• Abuse dynamics: Jana discusses her own past unhealthy relationships to underline how abused people may continue contact with abusers for complex reasons.

Accountability and Exaggeration:

• Hosts debate exaggeration in Demi’s narrative (“she’s saying a shove when it wasn’t even that”), and how the cast responds to her “victim playing.”

Jen’s Secret Taping:

• Jen’s recording of Demi is slammed as sneaky—using private convos as ammo at the reunion.
  • “It’s not fair to be recording conversations.” — Jana (46:27)

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8. Press Week, Fame, and Industry Realities

(51:31–59:13)

Rapid Rise to Fame:

• The cast preps for press tours and Jimmy Kimmel in LA; Tamra and Jenna recall their first times seeing themselves on billboards and press buses.
  • “It was so exciting... all of a sudden we’re on TV and our faces are on buses.” — Tamra (69:34)
• Cast envying Whitney/Taylor’s success as the franchise’s faces; the competitive undercurrent of reality fame.

Reflections on Reality Stardom:

• Fame coming quickly for some and not others; Tamra and Jana relate from their own time on Housewives and other reality franchises.
• Speculation whether SLOMW will launch spinoffs—hosts agree the formula works because it’s “younger Housewives” (59:01)

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9. Trust, Boundaries, and Relationship Fallout

(66:14–74:48)

Confrontations & Gaslighting:

• Taylor discovers the details of Dakota’s inappropriate messages/photos via a disguised phone call with her mom’s friend; the woman tries to downplay by claiming it was “just a swimsuit.”
  • “Oh no, I was in a swimsuit.” — Tamra (73:32)
  • “You just stepped in your own—Oh, I hate it.” — Jana (73:34)
• Taylor stays composed, showing growth, but her boundary is clear—she plans to move on.
  • “I think she needs a fresh start with someone she can trust and respect and that respects her.” — Jana (74:18)
• Reflection on gaslighting, betrayal, and the difference between emotional and physical cheating.

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10. Friendship, Growth and Moving Forward

(66:53–68:31)

Whitney & Taylor’s Honest Conversation:

• Whitney apologizes for not being there for Taylor, taking accountability for being wrapped up in her own issues.
  • “I loved that ownership.” — Jana (67:21)
  • “When you’re going through stuff, it’s hard to be a good friend.” — Tamra (67:32)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “There are enough holiday movies for everyone... but she hasn’t been proven to be an actress. So let’s see what you got.” — Jana, on Whitney Levitt (07:14)
• “If you keep breaking down the wall and keep cheating and keep lying, trust will never get rebuilt and the wound will keep reopening.” — Jana (13:35)
• “You just get stuck on that... wheel of it... all women want to believe that this man’s going to change.” — Jana (14:29)
• “I wish I had a famous mom or dad.” — Jana (09:08)
• “If my husband saw a text from another guy that said ‘good morning, beautiful’, shit’s gonna be not good.” — Jana (41:18)
• “We all get. I don’t understand, like, why everyone has an issue with you.” — Jana (24:05)
• “That’s not fair to be recording conversations.” — Jana on Jen’s secret taping (46:27)
• “You have no idea what’s coming your way. Stay tuned.” — Tamra (38:52)
• “She’s doing her own makeup while being upset with Dakota… low maintenance.” — Tamra on Taylor (53:55)
• “I think everyone will land where they’re meant to.” — Jana (74:03)
• “Do any of these guys actually work?... The dad talk is weird to me.” — Jana (64:13)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:30–11:56 – Guest chat, industry and SLOMW updates
• 12:02–19:52 – Cheating scandal, Taylor & Dakota
• 22:01–26:11 – Whitney’s reunion experience, producing storylines
• 26:12–28:48, 47:53–50:26 – Michaela & Jace: trauma and healing
• 29:56–34:03 – Dancing with the Stars, reality casting insight
• 39:52–46:04; 54:40–56:49 – Demi’s controversy, Marciano, and reality TV accountability
• 51:31–59:13 – Fame, press tours, relationships
• 66:14–74:48 – Confrontations, emotional boundaries, moving on

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Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Candid, empathetic, occasionally irreverent and humorous, always real about the cost and chaos of reality fame.
• Takeaways:
  • Cheating (emotional or physical) is rarely forgivable unless trust is rebuilt and honesty returns.
  • Reality TV fame brings opportunity, scrutiny, and friction—both in "career moves" and personal relationships.
  • Healing from trauma requires bravery and open conversation; secrets persist in close-knit communities.
  • Accountability, not just on camera but in friendships and marriages, is essential but elusive in the reality spotlight.
  • The ups and downs of friendship, fame, and trust make for compelling TV and honest real-life reflection.

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For listeners who missed the episode: This summary delivers the highlights, insights, and candid commentary that make Two Ts In A Pod an unmissable listen for Bravo and reality TV fans, especially those following the drama-filled journeys of SLOMW’s cast.

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Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[A]

Hey Gu. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself, Tamara Judge. And we have a very special co host today, Jenna Kramer. Jana, right? Janae.

[B]

No, no, it's that that was good for a first take because a lot of people will be like Jana. Like my husband still calls me Jana even though he's. Oh, really?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's not, it's not Jaina. It's not.

[A]

It's Jana. Jana.

[B]

Hey, guys.

[A]

Hey. How are you?

[B]

I'm really good.

[A]

You are?

[B]

I'm good. How are you?

[A]

I'm good now. Are you at home? You're in Tennessee, right?

[B]

I am in Tennessee, yep. Moved to Tennessee at the very end of 2019.

[A]

So it's so you must love it.

[B]

I love it. I do, I love it. And I actually from Los Angeles. So. Yeah, it's been, it's been great.

[A]

What made you move?

[B]

Honestly, we had just had our second in my previous marriage, we had just had our second kid and I, it was one of those things where I've gotten to a place with acting where I didn't have to be in LA anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so we wanted to buy a place because at the time we were running in Studio City and I wanted to have a backyard. And I'm from Michigan, so I like that subdivision kind of vibe. And we were looking, it was either Valencia or Santa Clarita that we could really put roots in and afford. And I'm like, well, at this point we should just move to Nashville because no one's.

[A]

You could have just joined the valley at that point.

[B]

Right I know. No, no, no, no.

[A]

So.

[B]

But yeah, it's been great, and I love it so much. And, you know, we have a great little community here, so it's been great.

[A]

I've had so many friends move out there, and it's always. I think during the pandemic, there were so many people moving out there. And then, I mean, it's just beautiful place.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's. It's. It's great for kids and it's. It's close enough to places like New York and LA in Michigan, where I can, you know, be where I need to be and for filming stuff. It's been great. I just shot a movie actually in town, so things are moving here too, which is. Which is awesome.

[A]

Well, speaking of shooting a movie, there's a headline out about Whitney Levitt from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. She's going to be starring in a holiday rom com. All for Love is what it's called. And Deadline put the article out. They said that she will make her feature debut as executive producer and star of all for Love, a holiday rom com from production company the Ninth House. Have you worked with the ninth? Ninth House?

[B]

So I've worked with the Ninth House. Actually. Our movie is number two in the US today on Netflix. It's called the Cowboy Christmas Romance. And so Ninth House had.

[A]

Wait, is that the one with Jesse Decker?

[B]

No, no, that's the Christmas Ring. So that's out on Prime. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[A]

Now you got to see both of them.

[B]

Yeah. But, yeah, no, Ninth House did that. It was through Lifetime. So it was Lifetime and then obviously went to Netflix. And listen, I, you know, we've interviewed Whitney on our show before. We have DMed a few times. Her and I. Obviously, I'm a huge fan of the show. It's sometimes for me, those kind of shows are kind of gets you out of your own world. And it's just. It's eye candy, you know, it's just. It's just. It's just fun to. To watch. But I. Where I struggle and I think it's great. And I. I think there are enough holiday movies for everyone. Right. You know, they make so many. You're almost.

[A]

Stay in your lane.

[B]

No, no, no. I think it's. I think it's great. I mean, and she seems, you know, to be. I've never seen her act. I will say this, though. I've been acting for 23 years and I've just recently, as of the last five years, been able to executive produce things.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I Was going to ask you about how is this happening.

[B]

You know, listen, she's got a great team. That's. That's it right there. I mean, that's a lot of. And she's got a lot of pull. I mean, people. I truly believe that the Dancing with the Stars numbers were because people love the secret lives of Mormon wives. And I think, you know, she knows that she's gonna bring in a lot of eyeballs. And, you know, so I get that point of it, and I get why her people are asking for that EP credit and why she's getting opportunities like this. But she hasn't been proven to be an actress. So this is kind of like, all right, girl. Like, this is, you know, let's. Let's see what you got.

[A]

Let's see what you got. Yeah, it happens in the. In the housewife world as well. I mean, it hasn't happened in a while, but I remember in the earlier days, there was actresses that came on and had an act in a long time, and then all of a sudden they're getting roles, small little cameos and roles on sitcoms and things like that. But it seemed to have died out pretty quickly.

[B]

Well, that's the thing. And if she's. If she's good, then she. Then she should keep booking, you know, and. And that's great. And I hope that for her and that people get to live their dream. I think that's awesome. And she went in through that avenue. I mean, listen, I'm also kind of. I'll call myself out and be, you know, the pot kettle in this. Because the only way I got a country record deal was because I was on a TV show. So I went the back door, too, on that. So I can also call myself. There is no way in hell I would have gotten a record deal if it wasn't for the TV show that I was on ever. I wasn't good enough.

[A]

I mean, you have to agree, the business is hard. It's difficult. So any way that you can get in. I talk to my daughter about this all the time. I'm like, when you come on the show, you need to, like, promote your music. And she's like, I don't want ride on your coattails is what she used to say. Now she's like, let me ride on those coattails. Yeah.

[B]

Because look how many people's kids are working, you know? And it's like, if that's the way in, let it be that, like, I wish I had famous mom or dad.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That would have helped Me? Yeah.

[A]

Well, I will say, out of all the girls on that show, she's very much a theater girl.

[B]

1,000%. I am. So I actually want to see her show in. I think she'll be fantastic. It was the Christmas movie that I was like, oh, wow. Okay. All right, let's see. And. But I'm. I am rooting for, though. I really, like, I really, truly am. I need you to appreciate, like, I.

[A]

Want you to struggle, but not in my. Not in my genre here.

[B]

No, it's fine. Again, I am. I am light years older than her, so it's. It's fine. We are not in the same playing field. And even so, I wish the best for anybody in any range.

[A]

Did we also hear that she got a gig on Broadway, too?

[B]

She did. And Roxy and I think that's awesome.

[A]

Oh, that's right. Erica did, too.

[B]

Yeah. And I think that's.

[A]

They have like a reoccurring thing where they have different reality stars on there.

[B]

Listen, more power to you. Take the opportunities that come. And that's kind of how I always, you know, say to things. I mean, I got an interesting call last week about something in your vein of tv. And, you know, I'm like, listen, I. I won't say no to anything. I will be open minded to every conversation because it could lead me to where I want to go. And so good on Whitney for. For knowing what she wants and going in whatever, however way she can get in.

[A]

Would you do reality tv? You said don't. You don't say no to anything or you try not to.

[B]

I have been asked so many times, and we have. We have always entertained the conversation. I'll say that. But I've never wanted to affect the acting piece of it. But at the same time, I see stuff like this, I'm like, well, I'm gonna do it that way then if that's how I'll get back on a TV show. Yeah, but I don't think I can handle your Bravo people. I really don't. Neither can I. I. I don't have thick enough skin for that.

[A]

Well, you develop thick skin, that's for sure. Now there's been talk about having a housewife of Nashville.

[B]

They tried so many times, so many times. Do you know they called me for Beverly Hills and I go, you know, I don't live in Beverly Hills. Right.

[A]

Who does on that show?

[B]

Well, true, but they're like, well, you could stay to friends. And I'm like, this is so confusing. What?

[A]

Well, we have Heather that lives in Beverly Hills, but she's on Orange County.

[B]

Yeah, that's weird.

[A]

And then I think the only one that actually lives in Beverly Hills, like I think most of them live in the Valley, is Erica, who has a place there. Like she's running a place there. So I don't think it really matters. You have Meredith on Salt Lake City that every year she's got a new Airbnb.

[B]

So that's what they said we couldn't do though. You can't Airbnb.

[A]

Oh, really? That's where they draw the line.

[B]

So I was like, I'll entertain it. But no.

[A]

Well, good luck to Whitney. Excited to see all that.

[B]

I'll watch it. I'm gonna watch it.

[A]

Yeah, I'll watch it, definitely. So we are now going to recap season three, episode eight and nine of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It starts out with Jesse and Jordan talk about Dakota's sexting Taylor's mom's friend. I mean, dude, but I want to see this woman.

[B]

I do too.

[A]

Because by later on we hear her voice, but it's disguised. And to me she sounds like a 60 year old woman that has been smoking her entire life. And I'm like, I want to see now is it Taylor's mom's friend? Like Taylor's mom's age? Who. Who is this person?

[B]

I know, I have no clue. But I will say it was a bit triggering watching all of that and then just seeing. I felt so sad for Taylor. Like even when she was having that conversation and calling and saying, well, how many photos? And it's like at that point, does it even matter?

[A]

That's what I was thinking. But I think for closure for her, you need to know all that information. Just knowing that he cheated was bad enough. Like girls, we don't need to know all the details.

[B]

No, I think yeah. Knowing too much. It depends if you want to work on the marriage or not. You know too much.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

Almost impossible.

[A]

But how do you work in a marriage when somebody's cheated on you? I feel like that would be. I've never had that happen. Knock on wood. But like, if you don't have children together, to me it's a deal breaker. If you do have children together, I could see working on it as much as you can for the kids sake. But I feel like when the trust is gone, it's gone. It's gotta be hard.

[B]

I truly do believe you can work through cheating if the person stops what they're doing. If you keep breaking down the wall and keep cheating and keep lying. Trust will never get revenge rebuilt and the wound will keep reopening. So that. That's what basically Dakota's doing. He keeps reopening this wound for her. And this. They just keep cycling on this wheel and eventually someone has to get off because the pattern isn't changing.

[A]

Yeah. Now, are you also confused on what Taylor expects from Dakota? It's like she doesn't want to be with him. I was shocked to even see he was filming this season. And then when they go to. Where were they? Stagecoach or something like that, then they're hooking up, but then they're not together. So I'm like, well, what I. Not excusing him texting one of, you know, a family friend or whatever. But it's kind of confusing what she wants from him.

[B]

I think when you have that love and that toxicity of the good times and it's you again, you just get stuck on that. Like I said, the wheel of it. And it's. I think it's when you have again a baby together, that love, that attraction, that physical. Physicality together, it's. That's hard because. And then you also. She wants to believe him. And that's. That's what we all want to do. All women want to believe that this man's going to change.

[A]

But at what point, you know, do they or get off the pot?

[B]

Like, I honestly think this is my theory. She probably would have stayed with him if she didn't get the bachelorette call.

[A]

Yeah, well, the cheat. Well, him sexting this woman.

[B]

I know, but I still. How many times has he cheated in the past?

[A]

I know, I know, but is it cheating when you're not really together?

[B]

I think that's an emotional cheat. Or there's. It's some sort of betrayal.

[A]

What's their arrangement? We are just going to figure things out and hope that we move forward. Or we're not together, we're just co parenting and you're not allowed to date anybody.

[B]

I think she just wanted the truth and not to feel like he was because he was always holding back some sort of secret.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think in his defense, he didn't want to say because they were finally being good again. So of course he's like, oh. And in his defense, they weren't together, but it's a family member, so.

[A]

Well, that's where it's screwed up. Like, what are you doing?

[B]

A family friend. Sorry.

[A]

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[B]

Um, I did not watch the reunion last. I watched this last one, but not the one last year.

[A]

Okay. I felt like Nick, really, who I love, I do love Nick, but he was a little hard on Whitney. Kind of. I don't know.

[B]

He just. Do you think that was deserved, though, given.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The stuff that we saw from Whitney?

[A]

Yes, for sure. I think so. I think there's always one person in the hot seat. I'm just speaking from experience because I'm always in the hot seat at the reunion. But then when you feel like everybody's ganging up on you, it's not a great feeling at all.

[B]

Well, ask this though, to you too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you're always the one ganged up, then isn't there maybe something underneath that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is there a reason why Whitney and you guys are the ones being ganged up on?

[A]

I think. And when you have. When you're the person that's moving storyline and bringing things up and, you know, always making, you know, problems. I'm just kidding. I don't try to make problems. I'm just like, we can't just sit here and talk about, you know, your neighbor's friend or your brother's, whatever, you know, I mean, you have to have content and. And it's weird. Some girls that have been on the shows for so long, they just don't get it. And I'm like, let's get in there, let's get this scene done and let's talk about what we need to talk about and go home, you know, and so I think that, you know, I think a lot happened last Season and she didn't look great and she's been in and out of mom talk, which. Which confuses me when people go, oh, she's back in mom talk. Are we talking mom talk or the show? The Real House.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, what are they. What are they talking about?

[B]

Yeah. No, I mean, again, I think I always one wonder, but you just kind of said that perfectly is when you are the person that is bringing stuff up, you are the storyline, then you are going to be more on the hot seat with things. So I get that. But I also go, well, there's a reason why everybody has an issue with you. There has to be something there, too.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

If every single person has an issue with you.

[A]

She's gone through every season with somebody having an issue with.

[B]

I know. And that's where it's like, I think back on my friendships and go, I, I, I. We all get. I don't understand, like, why. Why everyone has an issue with you. Well, she actually does. Not friends.

[A]

Yeah, well, most casts are not friends, but.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But she made it very. She's very open when she came back. She's like, I'm here for business reasons only.

[B]

I respect that.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, she let them know exactly where she was at in all this, and she's just there to make money. I think that Whitney might be one of the first girls to leave if her career takes off, let's say Broadway and other things. She's going to be like, Adriana, Adriana, you know, she left. Didn't want to be back on Bravo and just kind of doing her own thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Got another show, all that stuff. So it'll be interesting to see Whitney if she comes back, if her career takes off. But don't you think, like, being on a platform like that, it goes hand in hand. You get more opportunities to do other things when you are on a reality show.

[B]

It seems that way. So I think I'm.

[A]

Yeah, it does. It really does. Do you think that Whitney gets a lot of shit because she's sticking up for Demi and the girls cannot stand her. Because I had a little bit about that on my season because I was. I felt bad for Katie and then everybody got mad at me for wanting to be friends with Katie. So I feel like this is kind of the same situation where they're. Whitney is, you know, listening to her and reposting her stuff and all these things. And the girl, it's. It's pissing the girls off.

[B]

I mean, they're both kind of at that time, no one was really wanting to be their friend. So I feel like in that situation, that's when those people would most likely come together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To be friendly. You know, they want an ally in it. Right. And so that makes sense. I don't know if she's doing it because she feels bad for her because she just wants a friend.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. We'll see as time goes on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Michaela and Chase are in couples therapy. This whole storyline really breaks my heart.

[B]

Makes me so sad.

[A]

So sad. And, you know, more comes out, and I just feel like she's so brave to talk about this stuff. And, you know, she's talked about autoimmune issues, which probably go hand in hand with what she's dealing with, you know? Yeah. Stress is just hurting her so bad. She talks about her sex life and how she's just not really into it right now.

[B]

I love her. I love them. I think it's so brave. I think it's gonna help a lot of people and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I just. I. That storyline just. It made me hopeful that it's gonna help people. Yeah, that too.

[A]

That's what I thought. It's going to help girls come out. And, you know, she's holding on to information from when she was six years old. And again, it's, you know, sounds like it could be a family member or a very close friend to the family, which she's still protecting that person, which is really, really sad. And I think a lot of girls probably do that because they don't want to cause problems within the family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I love that.

[B]

I love watching their story. I hope that they can. They just seem so sweet together, and they. He seems so respectful and patient, and I think that's a really beautiful and handsome trait of a husband.

[A]

Yeah. He is, like, the best husband. He really is. He's so.

[B]

And I love. My son's name is Jason.

[A]

Oh, really? Oh. But then I worry, like, him talking about, you know, not getting sex and then, you know, all the hoes and Instagram DMing them pictures of their boobs.

[B]

And stuff, you know, I mean, well, of course the girls will go do that.

[A]

I know, but don't open it.

[B]

I think. I think he's a good guy, though. I think he's going to be good.

[A]

Yeah. And then one thing we saw that we hardly ever see is reality. People shopping in grocery stores. You just never see that. It's so hard to get clearance to be walking through a grocery store.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. It's like, certain things are really hard to do.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Like, major stores, a lot of major stores, they're not going to let you film there, but grocery stores are usually one of them that are, like, you hardly ever see that. But they're shopping. They're talking about how Mom Talk is going to celebrate Pride. After Utah passed anti LGBTQ legislation, Macy talks about Dakota giving her the ick.

[B]

So I think I would have said yes in season one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think he just needs help. I don't think.

[A]

Yeah, he.

[B]

He doesn't. I. I think Chase gives me the ick more than Dakota.

[A]

Oh, God. Chase gives me the major ick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you heard he just got in trouble.

[B]

Oh, did he?

[A]

Yeah, he got arrested. I didn't hear that.

[B]

Yeah, DUI and a lot of Christmas holiday stuff, so.

[A]

Yeah, allegedly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is not very holidayish. Allegedly. Fentan kinds of stuff, so.

[B]

Oh, dear.

[A]

He got. Yeah, yeah. It was in July, actually.

[B]

In July. Wow.

[A]

Well, why is it just now surfacing, I wonder? They kept it under wraps because it just hit the press, like, not too long ago. So. Yeah, he doesn't give me the ick. I just think he does stupid things. I think that he's one of those guys are insecure, he can't be alone. I think that he really loves Taylor. I think Taylor loves him, too. I think that they want. I would love to see them get back together.

[B]

You know, she's going on the Bachelorette.

[A]

I know, but does those things really work out?

[B]

You know what would be so great is at the very end, Dakota is like, wait. And then he goes down on one knee. Process.

[A]

No, See, now there you are. You're producing it.

[B]

I know, I know, I know.

[A]

Then. Then we see Jen and Ezra, who's dancing with a star pro. But he. They. They meet to practice and all that, which is really cool. But Ezra is not Jen's dance partner. He just grew up in Utah. He is an ex Mormon.

[B]

Did you watch Dancing with the Stars?

[A]

I watched some of it, but I didn't watch all of it. That Dancing with the Stars. Have you done it?

[B]

I have, yeah.

[A]

How was it? No, I'm so. That was like, my. So scary to me because I just can't dance. I can't dance, I can't sing. So I would be, like, make a fool of myself. I did a dance. I did the cha cha for my wedding. And I had to literally practice for, I don't know, weeks. Weeks, just for that one dance that was like, I don't know, 60 seconds.

[B]

That's great. I. I honestly feel bad that they paired them up, like, well, that. That Jen. They picked Jen and Whitney. I know why they did. You know, Like, I even texted Dina Katz, and I was like, good job, casting friend. You know, like, wait, because you. They know to have those two, that's gonna bring the drama. And it did, you know, so, you know, we'll obviously see more of that in season three. But I. I love Jen. I think Jenna's great.

[A]

I do, too. I think she's so cute. Yeah, she just seems, like, so cute, so innocent, so kind.

[B]

Yeah. I really like her a lot, and so I was happy to see her on the show. Obviously, Whitney was the better dancer.

[A]

I thought Whitney was gonna win.

[B]

Yeah, she's fantastic. She. And. And what she did with Alex Cooper, that was awesome. Did you watch the final Dance?

[A]

I didn't watch the final dance.

[B]

It was great.

[A]

Was it so.

[B]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was awesome. So. And she deserved that moment, so. But yeah, I. You know, again, I get why they picked those two.

[A]

Yeah. No, they. I thought for sure Whitney was going to win. I loved. Just before she wasn't even going to be on Dance in the Stars, just going on her Instagram page and just watching her dance and do her TikToks. I'm like, that girl can move. But my goodness, what a glow up she had.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, whoa. I mean, first of all, obviously, dancing eight hours a day or however long she. You guys do that. She looks amazing.

[B]

She really does. Yeah, she looks great.

[A]

I would just like to go down to the stars just so I can get.

[B]

Who would you want as your partner?

[A]

Well, I want. Only because I'm friends with them and he doesn't. He doesn't work there anymore. But Max.

[B]

Oh, Max is great. They just came to Nashville to look at homes.

[A]

They do it.

[B]

Yeah. Him and Peter were at my house, like, a couple weeks ago.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love them. So I did Traders with him.

[B]

Fun.

[A]

Yeah. Would you do Traders?

[B]

I'll do anything.

[A]

You'll do anything? Oh, my God. You should do Traders. It's just such a big commitment.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

It's like you could be there 30 days.

[B]

Oh, wow. That would be tough.

[A]

That's tough. And then with kids and you have no phone.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that'd be. I couldn't do that, actually.

[A]

And you're locked in a hotel room when you're not at the castle.

[B]

I'm good.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I think.

[A]

I think Dina casts for that as well.

[B]

Does she she probably knows that I wouldn't leave my kids.

[A]

Yeah, it's hard. Your little one's little, right?

[B]

So I've got a 2, 7 and 10. Yeah, almost 10.

[A]

That's too hard. They're too little.

[B]

Yep. Too little.

[A]

Yeah. So she's dancing with Ezra. She's the cutest pregnant girl. Doing the cha cha or the salsa or whatever she was doing, you know. And Ezra cracked me up because he didn't waste any time getting involved with the drama, talking about, you know, the church. I'm like, hulu, give this boy. He was so, you know, some people just get it when it comes to reality people, reality tv and other ones are just. I'm not going to talk. I'm not going to talk. He talked about, you know, being gay and going. I think he went to Baylor and just being in Utah. And when he found out he was gay, they took him out of dance. I thought it was a really cute scene. I think that, that he, he should be on the show more often is what I thought.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

I thought he talked more than some of the guys did.

[B]

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[B]

Stay tuned.

[A]

Stay tuned. Like, it's just crazy. It's. And it's sad. It's like, shit. And then Demi and Demi. I always want to call it Demi. Demi and Whitney go to lunch. Do you think Demi missed the reunion due to Disneyland or because she had too much explaining to do? So last year you said you didn't watch the reunion, but she just didn't go to the reunion. And it's like, they give us date. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's the same. They give you dates who's all available. We want you all there for the reunion. And you're like, oh, sorry, I'm going to Disneyland. I got a date with Mickey mouse. I can't make the reunion. Reunion. Like, in housewife world, if you don't go to the reunion, you're fired.

[B]

Yeah, that seems weird.

[A]

So I'm just thinking, like, all that stuff came out about Marciano, and she's like, I need time to process this. I don't know what I'm gonna say. But then I also think that Demi lives in, like, her own reality.

[B]

Do you like Demi?

[A]

I try not to say that I don't like any reality star because it's such a tough job to do.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And I don't think she does herself any favors on the show.

[B]

What do you think about the Marciano text message and him and the claims that of the sexual assault?

[A]

Well, that's all very confusing to me. I feel like if you're texting another man about, you know, sexually explicit things, you know, talking about clams and penises and come and all these things like that. Like, you're crossing a line. You are crossing the line not only with your husband, but like, if you're saying he sexually assaulted you and you're still texting him like this, like, it just doesn't make sense. And I don't ever want to say, like, oh, I don't believe you, Demi. But It. It's hard. It's hard to prove with text messages like this.

[B]

I have. I have two. I have a. I have two things with it, and I've been kind of a devil's advocate with it. So on the first side of it that I agree with, when she's like, oh, this is how I talk to all my friends. And it's like. And someone else had said that to me, a guest on our show, they're like, well, I text all my guy friends, you know, hi. Hey, beautiful, or, hey, handsome. And I'm like, that's inappropriate. Like, if my. If my husband saw a text message from another guy that said, good morning, beautiful, shit's gonna be, like, not good.

[A]

Right?

[B]

That's inappropriate. Bottom line, I don't. And I don't think it's appropriate to talk to another man in that, like, saying anything if my husband is right next to me. That's how I operate, how I talk to other people, because, yeah, I want to respect my husband in every conversation that I have, whether he's next to me or with me.

[A]

I don't believe that Brett knew everything either.

[B]

He. Sure. Well, I mean, we'll talk about the reunion later, but, I mean, it sure seemed like he didn't care. On the flip side of it, when it comes to the sexual assault stuff and still talking to someone, when I was going through my DV with my.1 of my abusers when I was younger, you know, the night that he. One of the nights that he tried to kill me, the one of the first times.

[A]

It's horrible.

[B]

I went back to him and slept with him that night. So there's this thing with abuse where you. They make you feel. I was 19. Yeah, 20. So they make you feel like you're the problem. And so I'm going back apologizing for him strangling me.

[A]

Yeah. No, I was with somebody very controlling.

[B]

Yeah. So you can kind of under. So it's like. I think. And I think in that way, she's almost covering her ass, too, with. She probably doesn't want this to come out. So it's like, okay, I'm gonna keep playing this role to make sure that it's good. But then you realize when you're outside of it going, wait, no, this was wrong. And we don't know actually what happened. But I also then go, okay, devil's advocate, too. She is saying, a shot, a little touch is a shove. So. Right.

[A]

So that's where I feel like she exaggerates things. And going back to. Was it last season where they had the Halloween party and she's saying like, chase me.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like, now, again, devil's advocate, I will say it wasn't any time that someone has an aggressive behavior, whether it's a tap on their shoulder, there's an aggressive undertone, but it wasn't technically a shove. So there was a bit of a, like you said, exaggeration on that piece of it. Which is why I love Miranda for calling that out too. And I really have been liking Miranda more and more as I watch her.

[A]

I keep forgetting that Miranda was married to Chase.

[B]

Uh huh. Same.

[A]

I keep forgetting that.

[B]

Yeah. I just saw their TikTok and I was like, oh, wait, what?

[A]

They were married, they did a tick.

[B]

Tock, they had a kid together. Yeah. They were singing.

[A]

Gosh.

[B]

But yeah, you know, that's where I'm like, okay, what is. You know, what is it? But I can see sides of people being like, well, why would you go back to this person? Well, if you look at abusers, pasts and people that have been in those situations, this is why. So there is a claim for it, but there is maybe a bit of exaggeration when she's talking about a shove and then a. And then a tap.

[A]

Yeah, but this is like, she's married. She goes to where film was, Italy, whatever. Isn't that where this all went down?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And then she continued conversations with him. There's a part of me, like, as much as I want to believe her, I'm like, I feel like you're trying to cover your ass. Is really not, no pun intended, but I feel like you're trying to cover your bad behavior with your husband. I mean, he's got to be upset about that.

[B]

And then throwing Jesse into the fire. And then, yes, say you did this. Why are you trying to change a story and manipulate.

[A]

If you're saying that this guy sexually assaulted you and then you're talking with him and then you're saying that, oh, no, it's Jesse that's having an affair with him. Well, if he's a sexual assaulter and he's telling you that, like, wouldn't you like, think, like, maybe this isn't true because of your actions towards me? None of it really makes a lot of sense to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then she's like saying, the daughter hit FaceTime on the phone, so that's how he was FaceTiming with her. And I'm like, none of this makes any sense.

[B]

It really doesn't. I will say, though, they're what, in their 20s? How I acted in my 20s. Was I flirty and inappropriate with some. Yeah. You know, so I. I am who. I would hate to be filmed in my 20s.

[A]

Some of these married since they were 16.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

16. So they had to grow up pretty fast. Some of them are on their second marriages. Like, it's. It's crazy. And then. Then to find out at the reunion that Jen recorded the con. A conversation, I'm like, why did you record the conversation? And who needs friends like that that are recording your conversations and then playing it at a reunion?

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's. That's sneaky. Only time I've ever recorded a conversation was in a heated moment. And I needed to hold myself accountable to not get heated. But I didn't use it as like a. I've done that before payback, where it's like, I have to hold myself accountable to. To speak from a good place, and the only way I can do it is if I'm recording myself.

[A]

Yeah, no, I. I get that. I totally get that.

[B]

So. But you can't use it in a.

[A]

No, you can't use it.

[B]

Be like, well, you said it doesn't. That doesn't matter. Like, it's not fair to be recording conversations.

[A]

Right. So the Mom Talk coax hosts the Pride event. Jesse is upset that Dakota hasn't told Taylor about this sexting situation. So she's brewing over there, going, should I tell her? Should I not tell her? But she. She knew. She knows it's going to come out. Macy wants to be more active supporter in the LGBTQ community, so she put. Put prad. She. This cracked me up. She put Pride flags around the house. So I. That's a start. Layla. I tried out for the wrong brother. So Layla was with Chase and now she's with Chase's brother.

[B]

They seem so cute. I like, I like Layla and I like. They. She's like, I don't know. I like it together.

[A]

Have you ever tried the wrong brother and go, oh, no, I need him.

[B]

I've tried. I've tried the wrong friend, but never. Never their own brother.

[A]

Yeah. No, I don't think so. Not that I can remember.

[B]

I feel like, oh, I gotta think back.

[A]

So, like, literally, I got married when I was 18 years old and you're.

[B]

With the same man?

[A]

No, I've been married three times. Are you kidding me? So I got married. I got pregnant in high school, so I got married to my high school sweetheart and then from there went into another Long term relationship. Didn't get married and then went into another long. Got married. So I haven't had like a ton. Like.

[B]

Yeah, no.

[A]

So Michaela and Jason are about to go to bed. Michaela opens up to Jace about her sexual abuse and how she struggles with guilt and anger, telling Jace that she was six years old when she was sexually assaulted. I mean, it's absolutely heartbreaking to watch. I'm assuming this is news that he's never heard before. But he's so good about it. Like we talked about earlier, he's such an amazing husband. I. I hate the fact that she needs to protect this person that did this to her. Assuming, like we said, it's probably a family member. I mean, I hope the gets what he deserves. I hope that he sees this, you know, and is shaking in his freaking boots.

[B]

Same.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, it's awful. It's awful. And I gotta believe, like, I don't know if her parents knew, but if they know now, I feel like they're gonna want to get to the bottom of it. Right.

[B]

If I was a parent, yeah, I would be like, who, what where and what when? And let's freaking burn the place down.

[A]

Yeah, I know when. I mean, it's hard to tell your parents. I know. Like, I wouldn't say, I don't know if you call this sexual abuse, but we had a wedding in our backyard one year and it was a. My cousin married this girl and her family who I'd never met before were there at our house. And I was only about 12, 13 maybe. And this older guy from that other side of the family had me sit on his lap and I was sitting on his lap and then he like started grabbing my. And I just got up and walked away. But I never once told anybody, not until like later in life. Like I brought it up and I. I remember talking to my therapist and we talked, you know, she's like, were you ever sexually. And I go, no. I mean, there's this one time, but it was no big. And she's like, no, it is a big deal. It is a big deal. And I'm like, well, I didn't want to make a big deal. I didn't want to my mom and know this guide and barely knew this family and all this stuff, you know, so it's like, I think sometimes when stuff does happen to you, you, you wanna, you don't. You don't want the bigger explosion and the bigger explosion being family, knowing cops, being involved, all those types of things.

[B]

Yeah. So I get went through that because that, that's. I mean, that's a violation.

[A]

Yeah. It's now knowing, you know, later in life going, you know, that is kind of dub.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's not okay. And when you have kids, you think about it like, if somebody did that to my daughter, so I even told.

[B]

My daughter, I'm like, I'll be in jail.

[A]

Yeah. If anybody touches you, anybody, I don't care what they do, you tell me.

[B]

Yeah. And the sad thing is, is that you have to say if, if anybody touches you, like, it's usually the people closest to you.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I hear.

[B]

And so I'm like, even if it's this person or that person, you need to tell mommy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, for sure.

[A]

So they talk about the betrayal and all that. It's just. It's just so heartbreaking, you know, Awful. So then, then we get to. Taylor calls her sister Aspen and she tells her that. And this was interesting that her therapist actually called her to let her know that she's going to be getting some information. And it's about Dakota. And she just, you know, it. She doesn't want to meet with her therapist. She doesn't want to know, but she does want to know and you know, talk about betrayal. Dakota just can't keep to himself. Like, he just can't. He. He can't be alone. He needs somebody. But to go after a family member or somebody close to the family is such a betrayal. Well, like, I'd want to kick his ass.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So we're gonna move on to episode nine. The girls are getting ready for press. Fun fact, the day that they're doing press, me and Teddy were part of that press.

[B]

Oh, fun.

[A]

So we did. We're at I Heart and Burbank and we interviewed some of the girls and we had heard beforehand, you know, hey, just wanna let you know they are filming this. This but being on, you know, I don't. They didn't film our situation, but it was fun. We got to meet the girls. We got to do a tick tock with them. Have you met any of them?

[B]

I have met most of them.

[A]

Interviewed all of them.

[B]

Yeah. Macy, Layla, Whitney. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I haven't met Taylor either.

[B]

I want to.

[A]

I do too.

[B]

Yeah, I think she's cool.

[A]

What a 180 she's done from season.

[B]

One to now, 1000%.

[A]

Like, I am so proud of her. Like she's like most times the voice of reason.

[B]

And I love that she went away too to that Retreat center. I think one of the best things I did personally after my divorce was I went away and just worked on myself. No phone, nothing. And at those retreat centers, I mean, it's years of therapy wrapped into a week, you know, and it's. Wow, you could see the difference when she did. Did get back and you can see how she talks and how she interacts with people, that it was helpful for her. So I, yeah, I'm super proud of her. And I wonder what she wants.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

I have a feeling she either went. I. This is where a lot of people go. The Hoffman Institute. I, I ended up not going there, but I went to on site because I, I love on site.

[A]

But where's the Hoffman Institute at?

[B]

I believe it's in California. Okay, so that would have been a closer, but I'm not. Again, that might not have been the one, but that's where a lot of people go. It's either Hoffman on site. Yeah, I think there's one other one too, that I don't know. But yeah, I think. And. And it's sad that she has to deal with this during press, you know, and so hopefully when she's removes Dakota out of her life, she. She won't let these moments be her joy being stolen because of his actions. And I feel like that's sad when it keeps continuously stealing her joy in areas where she should be joyful and celebrating.

[A]

Well, I feel like she did keep pretty calm getting this information and knowing it and not blowing up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then sometimes when you're on rally tv, I feel like people blow up just for the TV moment. And she's not even doing that. She's like, nope, I'm gonna stay calm. I'm gonna, you know, feed on the ground. I'm not gonna over, you know. Yeah, it was. It was tough, but so she's extremely upset about the situation. And I love how low maintenance Taylor is. They're all getting ready. They have glam in that room. And she's doing her own makeup while being upset with Dakota, you know, about what Dakota did. Miranda reminds Whitney that demise false accusations. See, the girls think it's all false too. So it's hard because, you know, we could be getting swayed by the other girls, but I don't know.

[B]

But it's true though. They really could ruin his life. Just though this is again, though, in defense of the other. Other side of things for Jesse. Marciano tried to ruin Jesse's life too. Yeah. You know, with what his accusations that they slept together.

[A]

I think he's a douchebag. I. I'm sorry, Marciano, but just what you did was just not cool at all.

[B]

Yeah, he gives me the ick if. If that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And he's no longer on that other show, so.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But he wasn't even invited to the Hulu event, so I don't.

[B]

Yeah, it just feels a little weird, like he's. These are two married women. Look, what are you doing?

[A]

What are you doing, dude?

[B]

But also. What are they doing? But also, you're. You're. You're mad that she said something. Well, look what you did to try to ruin Jesse, so.

[A]

Yeah, look what you did. Yeah.

[B]

Karma.

[A]

I heard he filed a lawsuit.

[B]

He did. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, he did. For sure.

[B]

Yeah. I think he's suitor for. For basically what she. She made up. But I'm like, hello, you did the same thing to Jesse.

[A]

He did.

[B]

So.

[A]

But I think the thing is. Is like saying you slept with somebody, then saying sexual assault.

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. In the law's eyes, like, that is like. You can't say things like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Yeah. So the girls are on their way to interviews. The girls have been separated, so no fights will break out. This reminds me of housewife stuff. Of course. Whitney and Demi are together. Taylor tells the girls she and Dakota got into a fight, but she doesn't share the details. So she's been very quiet. She's not spreading the gossip. She's waiting for the right time. The girls want Demi to admit that she's been flirty. And I agree. Just, like, just admit it. And she will not. She will not. She will not give at all. She won't. She doesn't take accountability for much, and I think that's why the girls really just don't believe her. So after the interview, Demi gets emotional. I mean, that interview, the. The host went right in. Right for her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like we saw that thing with Chase and then what's going on with Marciano? Like, she really was. I mean, who knows?

[B]

I think she got wrapped up in her own storylines, and now she's trying to rescue.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Yep, yep. So it's crazy. Do you remember to me, you know, she was a fan favorite.

[B]

I loved. I loved her.

[A]

I did, too.

[B]

Season one, her and Jesse both. And I like Jesse, but, yeah, I love Demi. Demi and Jesse.

[A]

Do you think it could be just editing?

[B]

I don't think some of the things she's saying is helping her, regardless of editing.

[A]

Yeah. Because I. I know, like, I don't.

[B]

Like how she's treating Jesse. I don't like.

[A]

Yeah. You know the thing, funny thing with reality TV is like she could say a million nice things to Jesse.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And, and then they don't show any of that. And all they're going to do is show that.

[B]

Well, that's the beauty and, and the empathy that you have because you've, you're in that world. So.

[A]

Yeah. And then Jen saying that Demi's manager called her manager, serve her with the cease and desist letter to shut her up. But then Demi's like, bring it, show.

[B]

It, let's go, let's go.

[A]

Which I, she probably did. Or threatened her with it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I threatened her with it more than anything. Which, whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've had a few in my life. I've sent a few in my life. Then Taylor gets ready for Jimmy Kimmel. These girls, their world is just turned upside down.

[B]

All these insane.

[A]

It's insane, right? I've never seen anything so quick like just fame. Fame. Why do you think that is?

[B]

I think it's a, you know, it's, it's a different concept even though it's still the same concept. Because it's women. I don't know. I mean it's, it has that housewives vibe, but it's on the Mormon side of things and it's.

[A]

Do you think that Hulu is going to franchise this show or could they even.

[B]

I don't know how they could. I don't know. Because isn't most.

[A]

Because it's like younger, it's like younger housewives. So yeah, that's basically what it is. It's the same interesting model is what we have and have had for 20 years.

[B]

Right. But I feel like they'll always be the stars, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

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[B]

The dad talk thing is like, it's. That is weird to me. Let's just keep it mom talk. Now they're doing dad talk.

[A]

I know, right?

[B]

It feels a little. I don't. I don't. I don't. Icky. Yeah.

[A]

So Miranda goes to Whitney's room. Demi joins them too. Miranda says Chase didn't shove her. Like, she was like, really standing up for her ex. She's like, he didn't shove you. And then she does like a demonstration. Like, this could be a shove. She taps her. Or this could be. I'm like. When she pushed her like that, I would have went like, okay, actually, don't touch me.

[B]

Don't touch me.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

Now you're shoving me.

[A]

Do not touch me.

[B]

Yeah, that's again, where. That's where I'm like, okay, that's not.

[A]

What did you think?

[B]

There, there's a aggressive undertone of someone, anybody touching someone when they're in it, when they're frustrated. But I still wouldn't Call that a shove.

[A]

Yeah. What did you think about Demi's call with Brett again?

[B]

I just don't. I wish there was a bit of accountability from both of them to say that what they've each said is wrong too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. And him just being like, yeah, f those girls. I get he's just trying to be there for his wife, but at the same time, there's just. I know they love the word accountability, so I'll just say it for both of them. They're not taking any accountability. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I couldn't imagine my husband, you know, knowing that cameras are on, saying stuff like, they're deeply rooted white trash, lying cowards. F them. All like that, to me, just shows character.

[B]

Mean.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I'm big on words like, that's.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

That's just mean and disrespectful and let's not name call.

[A]

Yeah. And then Demi's on the phone and then she's like, I found. I found this funny. I don't know why I found this funny, but she's like, I have to go on a double decker bus with.

[B]

Them and go to the.

[A]

Yeah, it's my worst nightmare. I'm like, everything that you guys do, being on a double decker bus with a bunch of fan is fans is your worst nightmare. I'm like, okay, okay. So Whitney and Taylor talk. And I thought this was a very good conversation. I love the one on one conversations that they have on these shows. Like, I. I wish Housewives had more of it and not like a gang up situation. And, you know, Whitney apologizes for not being there for Taylor. Taylor tells Whitney that she's sad about the situation involving Dakota, but still doesn't give any details.

[B]

So I think it's nice for Whitney to recognize and acknowledge that. And I think we all do this. We're all so stuck in our own worlds and our own pain and our own. That we're going through that sometimes we forget that other people are going through things too. And so I think that's really good that she also realizes that. She's like, yeah, I was in my own stuff and I wasn't being a good friend. And I loved that ownership.

[A]

I did too. I did.

[B]

Because I will say, like, when I was going through my divorce, I probably wasn't a good friend because I didn't. I wasn't asking anybody else any other questions about how their life is, because my life is.

[A]

Yeah. When you're going through stuff, it's hard to. To be a good Friend. But then when you have, you know, you see a friend that's going through a hard time, that's a good time for you to be a good friend to that person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, you know, we've all gone through hard times. It's not necessarily. It takes a very, very, very kind hearted person to see other people struggling when you are going through something really hard.

[B]

Agreed. So, yeah, again, I love that. Yeah, I agree with you. I love that conversation.

[A]

So Whitney thought that it'd be cute if they fought over the first chair. And every time Whitney just moves her body, I just see Dancing with the Stars and theater girl, you know, she's so good animated. She really is. So Jesse talks to Taylor. She tells Taylor that there were inappropriate pictures between Dakota and that woman. And then, you know, they, like we talked about earlier, they get caught up, you know, was it 1, was it 3, was it 5? Does it matter?

[B]

Doesn't matter.

[A]

I mean, I can't imagine. And I'm sure you can't either a family friend or relative sending your husband sexy pictures of themselves. If I have to like text to like maybe do an invitation for dinner or something, I always make sure like my husband's on it. You know, my friend, her husband, like everybody's on it.

[B]

It. Agreed.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just feel like it just makes me feel totally uncomfortable. And I wouldn't like, I don't know.

[B]

I wouldn't want my husband texting a girl.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. So, no, I get it.

[A]

No recipe for disaster. I feel like, yeah, the girls are on the bus. It's their last press obligation. They feel, they all feel like it's such a surreal experience. They're all soaking it in. They're soaking in the California sun down there in la. All the exhaust fumes, they're like, we have officially made it. So I'm sure you've had one of your shows, your face plastered on a bus before. Have you had that happen?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So I remember the first time, you know, they don't do it anymore, but when Housewives was brand new, I'm talking probably 18 years ago, we were in New York, the whole cast, they used to send the whole cast New York to do press. I think it was before even Watch what Happens Live was even out. And we would literally chase the buses with our faces on the side of it. And it was so exciting. I mean, here's a girl that never wanted to be on TV or wasn't an actress and all of a sudden we're on TV and our faces are on the buses and all that. And it's exciting. It's like.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Do you like my question? Do you like Whitney? Part of mom talk. Do you think that Whitney could be more involved if Demi was not it in. In the mix.

[B]

Again? I think that Whitney is looking at it from the business standpoint and she's only going to do what she probably oblig what her obligations are. But I. That's all she really would want to do.

[A]

Would you like her to see her closer with the girls? Because I've really grown to like Whitney.

[B]

Yeah, I mean same. I mean I do, I do like her. I would like for her not to be always the one that is on the. The hot seat and that there could be actual friendship because I do like her. There's. There's a piece of me that's like. But she's always seems to be the one that people have a problem with. So if she could have the season where it's. It's not. But here's the thing now is I think people are going to be jealous of successes that are starting to happen.

[A]

For sure. There already was. Who was it? Was it Miranda?

[B]

But also Jen and Whitney from dancing.

[A]

Yeah. And then being on Jimmy Kimmel. Was it Miranda or somebody? No.

[B]

Who was. Macy made a comment. She's like. Yeah. How she got on it. Yeah. She's like.

[A]

Does she still have that publicist? Did she like she. There's already.

[B]

But also Taylor and Whitney are I think the main stars. Yeah. Like they should be on Jimmy.

[A]

No, I mean Taylor for sure.

[B]

I think they're great. Yeah, yeah, she is.

[A]

She's the girl up front.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Whitney like she's just so talented. Yeah, she really is. She's truly talented. So then Taylor goes to her parents house. Taylor and her mom call this woman and you know, I was shocked when Taylor's like, hi, like hey, how are you? I'm like, I wouldn't. I'd be like. I'd be sitting with my arms crossed going yeah, give it up lady, give it up. But no, she was really super nice about it.

[B]

And then you know, just shows her character too.

[A]

Yeah. Then we have this disguised voice. Nobody knows who it is. Did you watch? Do you watch Orange County?

[B]

I don't. I'm so.

[A]

Okay, good. Because there was no. No, no, no problem.

[B]

No.

[A]

Great. Because then there's no judgment.

[B]

I have, I have like I know nothing. That's the thing and I love it there.

[A]

No, you shouldn't. So there, there was a disguise caller at our reunion. And it was so bizarre. And the guy said, I have information that Tamara was leaking stories to the press.

[B]

Were you?

[A]

No, I wasn't. I was not. And it wasn't even stories. It was, like, story lines. And it was stupid stuff. Like on May 12th. I filmed with Heather on May 18th.

[B]

Shocking.

[A]

Yeah. It was like, stupid stuff that everybody on the cast would have known.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was like, it wasn't even. And it never came out. It never came out. So that's where it was, like, weird. It was like, this is weird. So it brought back. I had PTSD of a disguised voice on the other side of the phone. And the caller, whoever she is, is. She's denying it. And she's like, I didn't send him a picture. Then Taylor's like, in your bra and underwear. You sent him a picture? And she's like. Then she goes like this. And I love when people do this.

[B]

This.

[A]

Oh, no, I was in a swimsuit.

[B]

So then you did send a picture.

[A]

Right. It's like, you're so. You just stepped in your own. Oh, I hate it.

[B]

That's. Yeah, that. That's. That's all triggering.

[A]

She's like, I was in my swimsuit in Florida. I ne. I never invited him over other than to cry it out. I'm like, you are walking contradiction. And then Taylor's like, the gaslighting. Cry it out. Then the way she said it. Then I'm like, oh, my God.

[B]

My God, she's a badass. I love Taylor.

[A]

She. I do, too. I love her.

[B]

So I think everyone will land where they're meant to. And it's unfortunate for Taylor and Dakota because I do think they're really cute together, but I think she needs a fresh start with someone she can trust and respect and that respects her.

[A]

Yeah, I do, too. And I'm curious to see if she's gonna get that on this new show she's doing.

[B]

I hope so. But there hasn't been many track records that. There's been a few.

[A]

No. What we. I think there's, like, one couple that's been together forever, like, Tristan and.

[B]

Yeah. Andrew. Andrew.

[A]

I can't remember who the he was. He was a firefighter. Yes. Ryan. Ryan Sutter. Sutter. Right.

[B]

Krista. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Yep. So they're still together. They just popped up on my Instagram the other day, and I'm like. Like, oh, my God. They are still together, like, 20 something years.

[B]

Yeah. Usually I feel like there's good success with the Bachelorette. We'll see.

[A]

I haven't watched. I'm gonna watch it.

[B]

We're doing another episode together though, right?

[A]

Yep, we are. We're doing the season finale and the reunion. So. Yeah. So I'll see you tomorrow. But thanks guys for tuning in today. Thank you so much for having me out. No, thank you.

[C]

What a matchup we got, y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat everybody showing that school pride game like this.

[A]

Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola.

[C]

Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an.

[B]

Ice cold Coca Cola.

[C]

That's a winning combo no matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going. When you own your own business, you own every decision. Catch the red eye or take the.

[A]

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[C]

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