Charley’s A Class Act (Southern Charm Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod – “Charley’s A Class Act (Southern Charm Recap)”

Date: March 5, 2026 | Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge

Episode Overview

Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge, both veteran Housewives, deliver their signature honest, irreverent Southern Charm Season 11 Episode 14 recap, with a special focus on Craig’s alcohol-fueled meltdown and Charley’s standout class and maturity. The hosts dissect the cast’s relationships, personal growth (or lack thereof), the red flags, and highlight the drama and healing attempts during the trip, including the infamous sweat lodge. There’s witty banter, straight talk, and always an undercurrent of “Housewives know best.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Craig’s Downward Spiral and Alcohol Issues

• The episode opens with immediate analysis of Craig’s heated van blowup and how his drinking unleashes ugly, immature behavior.
  • “Is he unraveling? What’s going on with the alcohol?” – Teddi [03:12]
  • “Some people just don’t do well on alcohol… when you go to that drunk stage, like, nasty drunk.” – Tamra [03:18]
• Both hosts agree Craig’s issues are deep-rooted and unsustainable for adult life and relationships.
  • “Before you have a family and children, straighten it out.” – Teddi [03:44]
  • The women criticize the “Peter Pan” syndrome of the Southern Charm men, questioning if they’ll ever really grow up—especially while on reality TV.
  • “A man is what he is by the time he’s 18.” – Teddi, quoting a friend [04:27]
• Charley’s reaction to Craig’s outburst is praised:
  • “I commend Charley for being appalled by it. I commend Charley for standing her ground and looking at him through different eyes.” – Teddi [05:21]
  • Both appreciate that the women held their own and that even Craig’s friends were “appalled.” [06:30]

2. Maturity, Girlfriends, and the Women of Southern Charm

• The hosts marvel at the cast’s ability to consistently attract younger, attractive women, while highlighting Charley’s self-respect.
  • “These girls have so much going for them.” – Teddi [19:49]
• Discussion shifts to how Charley’s decisiveness after Craig’s behavior is both uncommon and admirable. She’s held up as a role model for knowing when to walk away.
  • “Red flag. She’s a smart girl…she’s like, I am turned the fuck off.” – Teddi [06:27]
• Charley represents a new standard: setting boundaries and ending things after major red flags, rather than excusing bad behavior.

3. Responsible Friendship & Emotional Safety

• Hosts express surprise that no one more forcefully checked on Craig after his drunken rage.
  • “The last time they saw him, he was not in a mentally good place… I would have been breaking down the door.” – Teddi [08:03]
• The group’s allegiance is questioned, especially the tendency to enable bad behavior rather than call it out in real time.

4. The Group’s “Healing” Activities & Candid Critiques

• The sweat lodge, yoga, and sacred circle prompt eye-rolls and hilarious commentary about forced spiritual healing.
  • “I’m not into bodily fluids. If somebody drools or I see saliva around me, I will dry heave.” – Teddi [20:04]
  • “If a guy ever sweated on me…” – Teddi (joking about her limits) [20:26]
• Teddi and Tamra are skeptical about the effectiveness and safety of the sweat lodge:
  • “The timestamp, it looked like they were in there for hours. That doesn’t even seem safe.” – Tamra [20:49]
  • Both prefer meditation or massages to “musty” group sweat ceremonies.

5. Craig’s (Non-)Redemption Arc & Self-Awareness

• Even when confronted, Craig blames drinking for his behavior but falls short of real accountability.
  • “So Craig’s, like, making excuses for himself…I get like that when I’m hungry, 12 hours of not eating.” – Teddi [18:36]
• His admission of being “perfectly imperfect” doesn’t win the hosts over as genuine self-improvement.
  • “Craig wants to find it moving right now because he wants to redeem himself for screwing up again.” – Teddi [27:44]

6. Supporting Cast & Unsung Favorites

• Rodrigo emerges as a fan-favorite for both hosts: smart, honest, supportive, and authentic.
  • “My VIP is Rodrigo always.” – Teddi [31:44]
  • Tamra wants to see more of him, but Teddi points out the “slow crawl” approach to reality TV as the best for longevity.

7. Housewife Wisdom

• The hosts offer advice rooted in experience:
  • Don’t date the guy your friend likes, no matter the pressure, reiterating the importance of loyalty and intuition in female friendships. [33:00]
  • Value bone density and posture with yoga/Pilates as you age—life lessons sneak in even amid reality TV recaps. [29:20]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Craig’s Outburst:
  “Craig, I think you need to get your shit together because your friends don’t seem like they like you anymore.” – Teddi [06:30]

• On Housewife Survival:
  “The people that come out fast and furious die fast too.” – Teddi [31:44]

• On Spiritual Ceremonies:
  “Anytime you’re taken to near death, you start feeling feels.” – Tamra [24:07]

• On Female Strength:
  “I love being around older women. I love being around women who are wise, who lived life.” – Teddi [25:58]

• On Charley’s Integrity:
  “She’s a smart girl. She did what most people wouldn’t do—she walked away.” – Teddi [06:27]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|:----------:| | Craig’s Van Blowout & Alcohol Discussion | 03:12–07:03| | Charley Stands Her Ground | 05:21–06:27| | Friendship/Concerns for Craig’s Wellbeing | 08:03–08:28| | Sweat Lodge & Healing Attempts | 19:57–24:32| | Rodrigo Appreciation | 30:28–31:44| | Charley Receives & Enacts Good Advice | 33:00–33:17|

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Additional Highlights

• Bravo/Easter Eggs: Shep’s consistently wrinkled shirts become a running joke. [08:51, 09:04]
• New Season Teasers: The hosts preview they’ll recap Atlanta and Survivor next. [34:18–34:35]
• Real Talk on Reality TV Aging: Reflections on being on reality TV into your 70s/80s and the value of slow, authentic presence.

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Final Thoughts

Teddi and Tamra blend sharp “big sister” advice, clever shade, and genuine care for the cast—especially the women—while providing a fun, energetic take on Southern Charm’s latest drama. Their reflections on maturity, friendship, and growth (or the lack of it), with some nostalgia and self-aware wit, make this recap both insightful and entertaining for Bravo fans and podcast listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi. Good morning. Your hat says take it easy.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I'm taking it easy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's like an oxymoron Right.

[Tamara Judge]

I literally woke up like 40 minutes ago. I am so tired. I never sleep in. Like you are never.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tamara Judge]

So let's jump into Southern charm. Season 11 Episode 14 they have one more episode left. Now we continue with, you know, in the van ride, Craig's big blow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You really, like, lost. Is he. Is he unraveled? Like, what's going on with alcohol?

[Tamara Judge]

I think when he drinks, he just

[Teddi Mellencamp]

is, like the anger comes out. Like his suppressed feelings about maybe but not getting over.

[Tamara Judge]

I also think, like, some people just don't do well on alcohol. Like have a couple glasses, fine. But when you go to.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

To that drunk stage, like, nasty drunk.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's where he goes is what I suspect.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, sure, I say this before you. I mean, I'm going deep here, but I'm going to just say before you have a family and you have children. Straighten it out.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You guys are starting this time of your life where you want to get serious, you want to meet girls. You're going to be getting married now. You start to have to start winding down into adulthood. And if this is the way you act in something like this, let's pull it back because you can't do it overnight. I don't think it's something.

[Tamara Judge]

They're in their 40s. Do you think these guys are in their 40s, right? Like, do you think, like, maybe they're never going to grow up?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, because I.

[Tamara Judge]

As long as they're on the show,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

they're not going to. I have a theory. Friend of mine once told me I was dating a guy and he was in marketing and he knew him and he said, dolores, I know him. He's never going to grow up. A man is what he is by the time he's 18 and that guy still lives with his mother.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Well, at least the guys, maybe 60 something, have their own houses, so that's good. But they all.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Big deal. You have your own house.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, no, they're. They're party boys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, they get hot girls. I have to say these girls running around.

[Tamara Judge]

10 girls in his. In their town.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't care. All 10 girls. Does not anyone eat McDonald's?

[Tamara Judge]

The girls are younger, though. What are they? Early, late 20s, early 30s.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, well, you know what? The pounds were hot over the years.

[Tamara Judge]

We were hot back then.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was, I was. But not. Never like that. Never smooth. Never like, yeah, they walk around in a bikini like that. But I have to say that. Let's get to this, because this was Rough. And I commend Charlie for being appalled by it. I commend Charlie for standing her ground on it, looking at him through different eyes. Because I've been that girl with that guy. And I, you know, when I was much, much younger than her, you know, there were times I put guys in their place, but younger than her, I probably didn't. I don't know that I did. So I give her a lot of credit. And, you know, when the group arrives to the hotel, they were all appalled. I don't even think that Sally. Did Sally even push the button?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I think that I didn't think

[Teddi Mellencamp]

she was doing anything wrong.

[Tamara Judge]

Sally has a million times, and this is the one time she didn't. And the fact that he blew up like this. And Charlie saw this

[Teddi Mellencamp]

girl, red flag.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's a smart girl. And we see later on, she's like,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

no, no, I am not. I am turned the off. She's like. And you know, Sally getting emotional. I think Sally held her own on the van. He's like, loser. She's like an asshole. You know, she didn't fall apart. And I also appreciate very much how the rest of the people on the van, the guys included, were appalled by it as well. No one appreciated it. And, you know, Craig, Craig, I think you need to get your shit together because your friends don't seem like they like you anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, he's definitely took quite a step backwards. He was like this in earlier seasons, and he's going right back to it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, that's what people said. People were like, he didn't treat Paige right in the beginning. And let me tell you something, guys, look, men, listen to me. When you shit on a girl in the beginning, when she's. What do you call it? Dictified or whatever you call that. When you do that, don't think you're out of the woods. Woods, women hold grudges. I don't care if you turn into Prince Charming. When she decides to you over, she is going back to the feeling she had when you treated her like shit. So let's not. Let's be gentlemen, because you ain't getting away with it. You ain't getting away with it. I'm sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

Now, Craig, obviously is hungover. The next morning, Shep is knocking at his door. There's no answer. He's yelling, you know, Craig, do you want to go fishing? I mean, Craig is not coming out of his room because he knows he messed up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But wait, can I just say one thing? Because there was something that bothered Me a little bit about him not answering the door and nobody pushing to go into that room. The last time they saw him, he was not in a mentally good place. He was violent. He was drunk. I know. I'm an alarmist. I'm an Italian. I would have been breaking down the

[Tamara Judge]

door, calling, making sure he's okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, making sure he's okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And, you know, when Shep leaves there, he's like, I feel like shit. So then he has to go dry hump Austin. I know. And he's like, oh, I really feel bad. I know. I've been in his place. I know how bad he feels. Well, go back. Instead of dry humping Austin, why don't you go back to the door, make sure that mother wakes up.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. Or go back and iron your shirt, because the amount of wrinkles that were on that shirt was driving me freaking nuts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I've Shep@ BravoCon never has an iron shirt.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, so this is a pattern for him?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, no. In Vegas, he came. I remember he did have a wrinkled shirt. I'm sorry. I remember that. Shep, you have so much more going for you than for me in your wrinkled shirt.

[Tamara Judge]

We need to get him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I've been a gentleman when I've met you, Shep.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I'm pretty sure Craig's, like, in his room going, shit, what am I gonna do? Oh, God. Chat GPT get me out of this,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

because I don't think so.

[Tamara Judge]

You don't think so? Well, he's also trying to figure out a way how he can turn this around and play the victim.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, that's why he doesn't feel bad, because someone that feels bad doesn't do that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, chef doesn't. Shep doesn't feel bad for him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, no, no.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like, no, I don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No one feels bad for him because it's Austin.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Well, Shep feels bad for Craig. He feels like he's going through a bad time. But Austin's like, screw that. Why am I going to feel sorry? Austin just happy it's not him?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, no, that's the truth, but I just think that Craig is not reachable right now.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he better pull his head out of his ass because he's on a reality show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, when you're in a funk. Anyway, when I am, I become an introvert. I internalize, and I get go to myself. I don't want to burden people. I know if something's happened to me now in my life, 90%, it's probably a mistake. I knew better. It's probably something I got into that I shouldn't have, something I said I shouldn't have, something I did, Somebody I was around that I shouldn't have been. And I knew better. So why should I make somebody feel bad for me when I put myself in that I'm culpable? He is culpable right now. And why are you bringing everybody down? Honestly, his energy sucks.

[Tamara Judge]

It does. It's bad. Well, we got some good energy because Sally calls Madison and we get an update on baby Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

They show a. She shows her on FaceTime or Picture Phil's Madison on the makeout with Austin, and Craig's van blow up. And I'm sure Madison's like, oh, God, thank God I'm not there. Madison, happier times here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And her baby, baby love bubble. And what about when they're driving? And this really touched my heart because it's so nice when men say beautiful things to women. Even after you have a baby, you're not feeling great about yourself. You don't like the way you look. You're tired, your hormones are through the roof. And she's sitting in the backseat. The baby's on her way home. Little Teddy. And he goes, did you ever. I'll start crying. I might cry. No, I must be vulnerable right now. I will not. She goes, did you ever think you'd love something so much? And he goes, until I met you. Or something like that. And I said to myself, that's a man. He's a. He's cute. He's a manly guy. They have a great relationship. He's so good with her son. I love them two together. And she's happy?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she's very happy. She's extremely happy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Her life is thriving. She has everything she wants. She's that beautiful. She's beautiful. She's blonde, she's got a great body. And she bought a couple million dollars.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, she's got her man, and he's a hot fireman. And. Hey, there you go.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

The next morning, there's morning yoga out on the lawn. Morning yoga.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Charlie comes out in her little red outfit. That would fit my.

[Tamara Judge]

You think yoga is riveting television. I mean, obviously all these little scenes that are set up like if it's yoga, it's this. They only show like three seconds of it. And it' more about the conversation they're about to have. Sally doesn't want to do morning yoga with the girls. She'd rather stretch it out with Austin. So I think they're. They're cute together. They're making out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What I wanted to know was if Charlie and Craig were an item, why didn't she stay in his room?

[Tamara Judge]

I think they're. It's a slow roll. I don't think they're like exactly an item. I think like, I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, now they're nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

I think Charlie is a very innocent girl, a good girl, very southern girl. I think that she's just taking it really slow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, yeah, she's good, but did

[Tamara Judge]

you really have to. She's kind of naive in the sense

[Teddi Mellencamp]

like really have to go for Craig though, when your friend liked him. Watch what you wish for. So I don't think that, you know, is she good? Yes. Unnecessarily to go for Craig when everybody's warning everybody about him and your friend really likes him. Not that Sally likes the doorknob. Sally likes ducks. Sally likes things. Chickens. And Sally likes everything and everyone. But that was one you probably. That wasn't worth fighting for. I.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, especially now because Charlie's like. She admits that Craig's actions have ended them romantically.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have redemption she has redemption with me because she didn't like the way he.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, let's see if he apologies, because she did say she did cave a little bit. And she's like, well, if he apologizes. No, you saw the way he acted. And then Craig and Whitney go to lunch. Craig admits he didn't like how agitated he got and blames 12 hours of drinking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So.

[Tamara Judge]

So Craig's, like, making excuses for himself. Whitney does advise him to apologize to Sally.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I get like that when I'm hungry. 12 hours of not eating.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but he's kind of like, for what? Like what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wait, tell me. At yoga, Vanita isn't like, ready to have a field day over this. That Craig just screwed up again.

[Tamara Judge]

This is one of those that told you so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Charlie's like, ew.

[Tamara Judge]

And.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And here's Benita just sitting there going, okay, this is so nice. This is a good day to be alive.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? So then Craig at this time is like, I'm perfectly imperfect. And I'm thinking, did Chad. Did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Chat, Did.

[Tamara Judge]

Chat, did. That's for sure. I mean, let's play devil's advocate. Do you think Sally is obsessed. Obsessed with Craig? She doesn't talk about him a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I don't think she's obsessed with him. She's obsessed with. Who's the next guy she's obsessed now with? Austin.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Sally, she. She falls hard and she falls fast. Very vocal. All these girls are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She was so pretty in her little heart pajamas, talking on the phone. I'm like, these girls have so much going for them.

[Tamara Judge]

This is when the show kind of ends for me with all the spiritual healing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, the sweat lodge. Ooh. I'm not into bodily fluids. If somebody drools or if I see saliva around me, I will dry heave. I don't even mind. Shit. I'll pick up dog shit all day. Do not drool in front of me. I used to hand my kids off to my mother. Sweat. If a guy ever sweated on me,

[Tamara Judge]

they weren't just sweating. They were pouring, dripping. It was bad. It's gross. So the group participates in a smell.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was watching it getting sick.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And the smells. There's a lot of mustiness in there. Yeah. No, you know what, Craig? That's the smartest thing you did was get out of that thing. And you, too, Whitner.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you can, like, pass out. And the timestamp. It looked like they were in there for hours. That doesn't even seem safe, Whitney.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hour and a half. It was supposed to be an Hour and a half. And then. And then they make it hotter while you're sitting there. There's something about that. Listen, there's also those ayahuasca journeys that people go on.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I ain't doing any of that. Listen, ever.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What if I get stuck? They bring you back to the dredges of your memory.

[Tamara Judge]

What if it changes your whole personality?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, people have changed by that. But I'm going to tell you something. With my luck, I'll get stuck in that bad memory.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And never be able to get out. I don't want it. No, thank you. I don't even hang old pictures in my house. I don't have baby pictures of my kids. I don't go to the past. I don't want to go moving forward. I have so much to look forward to. I don't want to go back to any bad memory. I've dealt with it. You know how I dealt with it? I suppressed it. I'm good.

[Tamara Judge]

Welcome to my world. So Whitney's the only smart one. He is skeptical of the spiritual practice. He's like, no way. No way do you believe in this stuff?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what I believe? I do believe. I believe in heaven and hell. I believe in good and evil. These sweat lodges and these opening up your senses. I think that it lets other things in that maybe shouldn't be around. Yeah, like, you have to be very, very careful when you with this.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think I'd rather do a massage than a sweat lodge.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'll go pray. I believe in meditation. You know, me and the Buddhists are friends now. The Buddhist months, they call you.

[Tamara Judge]

They're like, hey, Dolores, you know, I'm

[Teddi Mellencamp]

going to make sure I get to know them better. I'm going to Texas.

[Tamara Judge]

Do they have phone number? Like, do they have cell phones?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, they don't have phones them.

[Tamara Judge]

So you have to, like, follow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They probably don't want to talk to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Sure they do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Clergy doesn't love me because I'm divorced. Like, in my. Like, I. It's very hard to go to church and get on the line to get the host because I'm divorced and I live with my boyfriend. Everybody knows it, and the priests seem to know it. So they're like, if you're divorced and you're living with someone, you cannot get the host. I'm a little mad about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's okay. So this whole, like, heated cave situation, like, people are literally sweating so bad that they look like they're gonna pass out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Vanita was, like, bathing in her sweat. She's rubbing it on her like, no, thank you. Talk about this. Can we get past this scene?

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Really bad for me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, obviously, like you said, Craig leaves first. He's out of there. The rest finish Austin.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They said the person that needed it the most leaves.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he's probably so hungover and dehydrated then going into that and sweating your ass off. So Austin feels deeply connected to those who stayed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm going back to the monks when I walked with them. It doesn't compare to sitting in a sweat lodge for an hour and a half. There is a sense of, I don't know. I left there with a sense of peacefulness and accomplishment and something else. And I think that I do believe they felt something there.

[Tamara Judge]

They probably did. Anytime you're taken to near death, you start feeling feels.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, you do. And like I said, Craig was like, forget this. Whitney's like, I went to a boarding school. I was taught by a bunch of hippies. I can't stand them. They're. I don't want to talk about hippies. They got on my nerves. Whatever. Whitney wants no part of this at all.

[Tamara Judge]

No. He says he's more punk rock.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm intrigued by him.

[Tamara Judge]

You know his backstory, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you tell me? I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

He's a producer, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

He produces that show. So I think I want to say, one of our production company, they knew each other, and he was trying to pitch the show, and he brought his mom into it. So it's weird to see somebody that's actually behind the scenes in front of the camera. And I think that's why he doesn't get too involved. He doesn't get involved in the fighting. He tries to help people. He's not going to get into a cave and sweat his ass off. Like, he's like, I'm up here. I'll let you guys do this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Exactly. I don't have to do this, but.

[Tamara Judge]

But how weird would it be to have one of our producers on our show participate on the show? Unless they took him off as, like, an executive producer and he just, you know, I mean, like, he doesn't make those decisions. I don't know. This is something I heard a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I just, I, I, I. I'm intrigued by him and his mom so much. And I love their relationship because you know how I am. Yeah. Like, it's ridiculous. And I love how he has the patience for the mom. They do the dog funerals. They have afternoon tea or whatever it is, or martinis and he goes along with whatever she wants. He handles her.

[Tamara Judge]

Beautiful.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's lovely. Actually, I've met her at BravoCon a bunch of times. She's got her shit together. And I love being around older women. I love being around women who are wise, who lived life.

[Tamara Judge]

But how weird would it be to be on a reality show in your 70s or 80s? Wouldn't that be like, oh, my God,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

it's just so cool. I think she's so cool. But I love hanging around with any type of older women who have lived a life, and I want to see that, live through their experiences. I just do money, no money, rough life, easy life. You name it, I want to see it. I want to learn from it all.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, if the. The sweat cave wasn't enough, we go on to the sacred circle ceremony. Thunderstorms move them indoors. Eyes closed, they walk.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, the producers got so excited.

[Tamara Judge]

I know what this is whole thing where they're walking around and grabbing people are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They didn't have on blindfolds.

[Tamara Judge]

I did see Charlie Peak once, and the camera was right on her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But why didn't they just put blindfolds on them?

[Tamara Judge]

I know then the. Well, because then they open their eyes, then Craig and Vanita. Vanita is like, God is telling me to fix it and get out. She goes, I want to get out. She's like, I'm out of here. I mean, the. There's lots of hugging going on Craig and Austin, which warms Shep's heart. He said it just warmed his heart. Shep is an old softy inside.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, he is.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, he is.

[Tamara Judge]

Craig finds it very moving. Austin appreciates the reconnection.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I just like, Craig wants to find it moving right now because he wants to redeem himself for screwing up again, by the way.

[Tamara Judge]

This is my worst nightmare.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't want.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't like stuff like this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What are you, Ashley Darby? This is my worst nightmare. This is not your worst nightmare. Okay?

[Tamara Judge]

Not my worst nightmare. This is a nightmare to me, to have to. Could you. I can't imagine you doing this. Hugging and holding hands and the swaying and the woman with a very soft voice saying, and now we are with one.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I mean, listen, I went to Arizona. I went to Miamo Spa years ago. I used to go to Canyon Ranch. And I have to say, I learned a lot from those things, and I enjoy those things. But this kind of shit. I'm not going in a sweat lodge. I'm not drinking ayahuasca. I'm not.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not Doing a sound bath. I don't want to do yoga in the garden.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, we know you have background noise issues. I'm not a yoga person. I've never done Pilates, which I think I want to start doing.

[Tamara Judge]

I know I keep saying I'm going to join Pilates. I'm like, sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

In all my spare time, after speaking to Kristin and. And realizing that our bone density is so important to us as older women, I think that we still have the time to fix that. And whoever's listening in their early 20s and 30s. I know, but I'm saying, like, core strength and everything. Guys, when I meet women with beautiful posture in their 70s and 80s, they did yoga.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, Yoga Pilates is amazing too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, so. So that's off the path. But. But they all start hugging, and they all start kissing, which is what we want to see, right? We want to see.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I want to see.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We want to see the fighting, and we want to see them make up, which. Which is what they do.

[Tamara Judge]

How long do you think this is gonna stick?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, Whitner and Molly said in their confessionals, this ain't gonna do.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, next week is the season finale of the show, so I'm sure something goes down.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, they have to. Something has to happen at the finale.

[Tamara Judge]

So after they're standing in the circle holding hands and hugging. I mean, Whitney is a little bit negative when it comes to, like, all of this. It's almost like he's above it. I mean, there's a part where he could just participate when he does so wrong. He wasn't sweating or anything. Just go and hold hands. He's like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you know who's my favorite, favorite favorite of all here is Rodrigo. I just want to say he. Him and his husband are so amazing. You know, I randomly just called him recently because I just wanted to talk. I missed him. I spent the dinner, a nice dinner with. With them a few weeks ago when they were in town.

[Tamara Judge]

I know I said I had fomo, and he reached out to me, and then I started following him, and I'm like, oh, he's text me or DM me a few times.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think he's a wonderful cast member. He's a good friend. He's so smart. He's always on point. He calls his friends out when they're wrong, and he stands by them when. When he needs them.

[Tamara Judge]

So we need to serve him. Bravo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Was Rodrigo.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't you think we need to see more of him, though? I feel like he doesn't get enough camera Time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what, though? That's not always the worst thing, Tamara. Because then his time comes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but I want. I want to see more of him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, that we do. We absolutely do. But, you know, wait for your time. There's no reason for that to be ever forced or pushed. It's the best thing. I always say the slow crawl is the best.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because right now I feel like from what I've seen in my career, my 10 years of filming, I would say nine. Whatever. I would say, you know, the people that come out fast and furious die fast too. So my. Yeah, my. My VIP is Rodrigo always. We have to give Sally credit. She did come around with Charlie. She was mad at first, but she got over it as soon as she. She realized Austin broke up with his girlfriend and. Right. She got over it really quick. And I like that they put that behind them. And I like that Charlie stuck up for her and stood by her as a woman and a friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think, you know, going back. Going back to Charlie, and you can tell by her upbringing and her mannerism that she's. She's a. And I think this is it. I think this is where that relationship breaks and goes no further. And I'm curious to see what happens at the season finale between them because, you know, they're going to have a conversation.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I didn't like that her mother and sister told her to go for Craig. Sorry, guys. I think you're wonderful and you have a beautiful family. You're all beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

But I mean, because they were friends. Because she was friends with Sally.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Never said that to me. And guess what happened? She got screwed. Being with a guy that wasn't the best. Well, at this time, Craig is probably a great guy now. He's within a relationship, but thank God

[Tamara Judge]

it didn't go too far. Like, they were just, like, courting each other.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, see, you know, my family wouldn't said that. Nah, leave them. There's a lot of guys out there. You don't need to. You don't need to go out with the guy your friend likes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, that's good advice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Would Sally have done it to her 100? Probably thousand percent? I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Curious to see this Austin, Sally.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I just hope. I'm very glad. I just want to say at the end of the day, I like them all. They're beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

All right, guys, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was so fun. We are coming to the end of Southern Charm and they gave us a good season. They really, really did. I really got to know everyone. Like, to Sally, thank you for coming on. We think you are so beautiful and funny. Sally, you're funny. What's next for us? So we have Atlanta coming next. That's. That always is good for conversation.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And I'm excited for Atlanta.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Me too. I want to see where Shamia and Portia stand now.

[Tamara Judge]

And you just started recapping Survivor.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Have you guys started yet?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah, we had Richard.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I remember Richard.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Richard's wonderful. What an amazing guy.

[Tamara Judge]

And when does that come out? Is it out already? When does it come out?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's out.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, it's out already. Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

All right. I've been so busy, it's not even funny. I really don't have time to look at my phone. I'm texting people from, like, three days ago. Because you get a text, then you go to a scene, and then you forget about it when you're filming.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It consumes you.

[Tamara Judge]

I am just so tired.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm like, oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm getting too old for this. Okay, guys, thank you again for tuning in to another episode, and we'll see you real soon.

[Podcast Host]

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