Chicken Salley (Southern Charm Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Chicken Salley" (Southern Charm Recap)
Date: January 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively recap episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge (joined by Dolores for this installment) break down Episode 8 of Southern Charm. The conversation centers on the cast's latest drama, with special attention on Sally’s new chickens and the ever-evolving love triangles and friendships. The hosts critique cast behaviors, explore nuanced dynamics, and inject their own personal stories and signature sass, providing a fun, insider take on all things "Southern Charm".

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dolores' Health Update & Host Banter

• [03:07-04:57] The episode opens with Dolores updating listeners about her recent exhaustion and upcoming endoscopic procedures, sprinkled with relatable humor about medical procedures and prepping for colonoscopies.
  • Quote (Dolores, 04:43): “Oh, that sounds like a shitty job.”
  • Teddi: “It was a shitty job. Especially when someone didn’t prep right the night before.”

2. Sally and the Chickens ("Cantaloupe, Coconut, and Popcorn")

• [05:38-07:27] Sally's quirky move of getting chickens—named after food—becomes a focal point. The hosts humorously debate the responsibility of taking on animals for romance.
  • Quote (Teddi, 06:01): “So I can’t fault her for that because my daughter named her dogs Chicken, Bagel, Potato, all after food.”
  • Tamra speculates if Sally still keeps her chickens and questions the true motivation, hinting at relationship-driven decisions.

3. Craig, Sally, and Charlie: Relationship Dynamics

• [07:27-11:19] The core romantic tension is dissected:
  • Craig's interest in Charlie while navigating his history with Sally; the hosts critique his insensitivity and discuss whether he led Sally on.
  • Notable Exchange:
    • Tamra: “He could care less about Sally's feelings, for one. He could care less.” [07:59]
    • Dolores: “If Charlie was in the picture, you bet your sweet ass that Craig would be going for Sally.” [08:32]
  • Humor emerges around Craig’s “finger bang” comment and the absurdity of friendship/crafting invitations.
• [09:05] “Like, not the finger banging.” (Dolores, laughing at the escalating details)

4. The “Hypocrite” Label Debate

• [10:35-11:34] The hosts question Molly’s suggestion that Sally is a hypocrite, wondering if it’s a misunderstanding or a misuse of the term. Speculation arises around past cast relationships and possible misinterpretations.
  • Quote (Dolores, 11:31): “Or is she misusing the word? Like Michael Rappaport commiserating?”

5. Friendship, Conflict, and Family Wisdom

• [23:36-24:52] Vanita’s mom’s advice to her daughter about true friendship inspires the hosts to reflect on their own family advice and handling conflict.
  • Dolores shares a story about her father’s wisdom: “I didn’t teach you to be a friend when it’s easy to be a friend.” [23:23]
  • The importance of reaching out to friends after a fallout is emphasized, with both Teddi and Dolores sharing personal anecdotes.

6. Rod, Tyler & Shep’s Domestic Life

• [17:09-18:21] The hosts touch on Rod and Tyler’s engagement home renovation and the reality of home decor expectations when one’s a designer.
  • Critique on TV personalities’ personal lifestyles vs. their professional image: “You can't style JLo because you can't afford her clothes." (Teddi, 17:18)
• Shep's adventurous lifestyle and renting out his house for extra cash is viewed with a mix of envy and amusement.

7. Austin, Sisterhood, and Emotional Baggage

• [18:30-20:26] Austin’s dinner with his sister Katie leads to heartfelt discussion about sibling bonds, tattoos, and the ongoing grief of their family’s loss.
• [20:50-21:22] The hosts critique Austin’s appearance on the Viall Files podcast, debating whether the line of questioning about his late sister was invasive.

8. Romantic Demise and Red Flags

• [22:22-22:37] The consensus is clear—Austin’s girlfriend deserves better, and the hosts believe viewers are about to witness the end of that relationship.
  • Quote (Teddi, 22:02): “Well, I have a feeling after this episode it’s the demise of their relationship because he’s over there…”

9. Audrey in the Middle: Loyalty & Respect

• [36:17-41:57] Audrey’s visit and her position between Shep and Craig are discussed, with the hosts lauding Audrey's poise and lambasting Sally and Craig’s behavior at a party. Respect, jealousy, and how age should impact reactions are debated.
  • Dolores: “In my 30s, Sally would be picking her teeth up off the ground…No, I’m not even kidding you. Like, Sally ass would be getting dragged. That is disrespectful to his girlfriend.” [39:10]
• The hosts suggest Audrey handled the situation with more class than they would have, prompting discussion about how women should stand their ground at social events.

10. Predictions and Looking Ahead

• [41:04-41:26] The hosts predict coming confrontations and the likely end of certain relationships, with anticipation for next week's blow-up.
  • Teddi: “She handled it well. But you don’t know what she’s saying at the table.”
  • Dolores: “Listen, Audrey’s not going to be sitting alone by herself long. Shep is going to schlep her up.” [41:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On medical procedures:
  • “It was a shitty job. Especially when someone didn’t prep right the night before.” – Teddi, [04:45]
• On Sally getting chickens for a guy:
  • “Building a chicken coop and getting actual chickens is a big, I mean, thing…It is a responsibility.” – Teddi, [06:21]
• On relationship red flags:
  • “If you’re in a hot tub with a guy till 4 o’clock in the morning and he’s not trying to bone you…He does not like you.” – Dolores, [35:31]
• On friendship advice:
  • “I would rather regret doing that, than regret not doing that.” – Teddi, [25:57]
• On Audrey’s composure:
  • “She was classier than me. I would have kicked them.” – Dolores, [40:06]
  • “Shep is going to schlep her up.” – Dolores, [41:32]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dolores’ health & host catching up: [03:07–04:57]
• Sally and the chickens: [05:38–07:27]
• Craig/Charlie/Sally triangle: [07:27–11:19]
• Hypocrite debate: [10:35–11:34]
• Friendship and advice moments: [23:36–25:28]
• Rod, Tyler & Shep’s lifestyle: [17:09–18:21]; [27:09–28:23]
• Austin’s family loss & podcast drama: [18:30–21:22]
• Audrey at the party & party drama: [36:17–41:57]

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Tone and Style

The episode is conversational, full of laughter and real-talk. Both hosts bring warmth, candor, and personal insight—bridging Bravo recaps with their own life lessons and playful banter. They don’t shy away from calling out cast missteps, but always circle back to bigger, often heartfelt, messages about friendship, respect, and self-worth.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• You’ll get: An in-depth, honest, and often hilarious look at "Southern Charm" drama—with real-world wisdom served up alongside.
• You’ll appreciate: The honest critiques, the supportive energy between the hosts, and the ways personal stories are woven into pop-culture commentary.
• You’ll want to come back: For more behind-the-scenes takes, and to see which Bravo star is the next “chicken” to strut their stuff.

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[C]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Hi, Dolores.

[A]

Hi. How are you?

[C]

I'm good. I am good. Good.

[A]

Are you caught up? I know yesterday you were quite tired.

[C]

I was tired yesterday. Couldn't put two words together yesterday. I was just so tired.

[A]

Literally. You're. You're. I. I felt like I was boring you. Your eyes were closing.

[C]

I was. I would. I laid down and literally, like all day long. And then I had a doctor's appointment at 4:45 because you know me, all my stomach issues. So I've been having some weird pains and stuff in my upper stomach. So I have to go. I'm having a sibo test done and I'm having a scope done on the 29th.

[A]

How many scopes?

[C]

Well, I already had the colonoscopy. I wish I would have done that. The endoscopy or whatever.

[A]

Endoscopy, they usually do it at the same time because you're out. So I don't know why they didn't do that.

[C]

They didn't do it. So now I got to go back and have that done. Is it weird that I'm excited to be put out? I love that feeling.

[A]

You're talking to the right one. Because I. I'm like, what can I have done? No. Better sleep?

[C]

No. And then to fight, it's like, I'm not going to. Positive. I said, oh, my God, they feel so good. Oh, good night. It's just the best feeling.

[A]

So good.

[C]

So I'm like. But I'm sure it's no big deal. It'll be easy and hopefully nothing's wrong.

[A]

Well, the next day, though, you're going to be like a little groggy.

[C]

No, I don't think you're put out that long, right?

[A]

No, no, it's easy. I used to be a tech. I used to be a tech for. I was a surge tech, but I also was a tech for colonoscopies and endoscopies.

[C]

Oh, that sounds like a shitty job.

[A]

It was a shitty job. Especially when someone didn't prep right the night before. Like an honorary old man who would not prep right.

[C]

I mean, the prep.

[A]

An honorary ornery.

[B]

Ornery.

[A]

Horrible.

[C]

It's horrible, horrible, horrible. My mom had to have a colonoscopy a while ago, and they couldn't do it. It said it was. There was blockage. She could. They couldn't do it. And she did her prep and everything, so now she has to have, like, some special one done just to make sure there's, like, no cancer or anything. Oh, yeah. So anyways, we got a couple of shows here to recap, and we're gonna start with Southern Charm. And this is episode eight. Thoughts? Any overall thoughts?

[A]

Well, I think that it wasn't a good episode for Sally.

[C]

No.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Well, I mean, let's talk about cantaloupe, coconut, and popcorn. Sally putting her her new chickens. Is that what she seriously named them? Cantaloupe, coconut, and popcorn.

[A]

So I can't fault her for that because my daughter named her dogs Chicken, Bagel, potato, all after food.

[C]

I'm shocked that Sally, like, kept the chickens. Let's see how long. I wonder if she still has them.

[A]

I'd like to know.

[C]

Wait, did I ask her? Did we ask her?

[A]

No, because we hadn't known about the chickens when she was on. Yeah, I think that was before she stuck her foot in her mouth trying to go by a whole, you know, take on a whole responsibility just because she liked a guy. I mean, listen, building a chipping chicken coop and getting actual chickens is a big, I mean, thing. Like, it's different if. If you're saying, oh, yeah, I happen to be going to the same place you are, or like saying, oh, I just, oh, you're going on a trip. I happen to be in the area, I'll be at the same place. Like, things like that I get doing, but actually getting a full on lifetime responsibility. I don't know how long chickens live, but it's every day feeding them, cleaning the coop. It is a responsibility.

[C]

It's the cleaning the coop. Chicken. Chicken shit. It sounds like a whole lot of chicken shit.

[A]

Yeah, they shit a lot.

[C]

I know I want chickens, but I don't want them now. Like, I always thought it'd be fun to have chickens, but I feel like it's one of those things, you get them and you're like, ugh, why did I do this?

[A]

But, like, me. So, like, think about this. So meanwhile, she's. She's taking care of these chickens that now she owns, has ownership of. And, you know, back at the ranch, Madison and Craig are facetiming and he's talking about how he's got a crush on Charlie and that he's upset that there's drama. That chicken Sally is going to like chicken Sally. Throw a monkey wrench in the coop of him and what you call it?

[C]

I mean, how insensitive. He's like, oh my God. I like hurt Sally's feelings by leading her on or not leading along. I don't know. And then now I'm. Now he's calling her what, a tornado or something like that. And now she's probably going to make Sally not. I mean, she's going to make Charlie not like me. I'm like, Craig, are you serious right now? I mean, he could care less about Sally's feelings, for one. He could care less. And I'll tell you right now, if Charlie was in the picture, you bet your sweet ass that Craig would be going for Sally.

[A]

You think so?

[C]

I think so. I think that he just saw a shiny new object and he's like, yeah, let's go, Charlie, let's go.

[A]

Well, Sally didn't just get on the

[C]

scene, but this is the first time he's been single.

[A]

He was single for a bit while he knew Sally. She would have said, oh, yeah, because you know, hell hath no fury. Then a woman scorn. She would have said, oh yeah? Then why'd you make out with me? Then why'd you finger bang me in the hot tub?

[C]

Like, not the finger banging.

[A]

Yeah, like, you know, that bitch would have been hot on saying any. If something happened, she'd be saying, you led me on.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, so if I called you and said, hey, Dolores, do you want to go crafting with me? Would you go?

[A]

Yeah, because I'm a good friend.

[C]

Is it something you want to do? Go cry? I'd be like, I no, no hard pass for me.

[A]

No. Well, Charlie's not interested in the crafting either. And Molly's like, she's kind of really cute. I don't know.

[C]

She's cute. She's like old school cute. Like, she's like, I want to craft, I want to play the tuba or whatever that thing is. And she's just so cute.

[A]

And I love that she got a new vagina at such an early age. I love everything about her. I love it all. But you know, it's funny because Charlie's now all of a sudden talking about at the crafting thing because she could care less about crafting. How about this? She's got. She's weighing. It's weighing heavy. She's got this date coming up. It's weighing so heavy on her.

[C]

She's stressed about it.

[A]

She's so stressed about It. But not stressed enough not to do it. And not that upset about losing a friend over it. But she's so stressed about this. Imagine feeling like the way she wants to jump out of her skin right now and having to sit there and do a craft that you don't wanna do in the first place. So it's just even worse. Right?

[C]

Right.

[A]

But one thing that was worth going to this little play date with Molly was the fact that Molly's like. What the hell do you care? Sally's being a hypocrite. Because last year. Whatever. Right?

[C]

She's saying, do you think. Do you think Sally's being a hypocrite?

[A]

Why? Because she would date somebody that her friend liked? I mean, where did she do this? Am I missing something?

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. But here's the thing. How close?

[A]

Her being a hypocrite. Sally being a hypocrite means that she's done the same thing.

[C]

Did she do the same thing in the past? Like I. That's the part that I don't understand. Like what makes her a hypocrite?

[A]

Or is she misusing the word? Like Michael Rappaport commiserating?

[C]

It could be that. It could be that. I don't understand why she thinks she's a hypocrite. I don't know what's happened in the past. But.

[A]

Or is she misusing the word Probably?

[C]

I think maybe. I don't know.

[A]

But because she referenced Vanita.

[C]

Okay. So could it be that Sally was not really there for her when Vanita was dating. Whatever that guy's name was. The one that lives in Bali now. Tj. Jt. Jt. That's his name. Does it have something to do with that? But because I would. I would scream at my top of my lungs if my friend was trying to date J.T.

[A]

get away. No. No.

[C]

I don't know. I don't.

[A]

So anyway she kind of like tries to make Charlie feel better about what she's doing by saying she's being a hypocrite.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But she's also listening to a girl that absolutely hates. Hates Sally.

[A]

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Let's move on to Rod and Tyler. They go furniture shopping for Shep new house. Not the Reddit comments saying for being an interior designer.

[A]

I know his house isn't. But that doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean like what he does. It doesn't mean that there's. You can't style JLo because you can't afford her clothes.

[C]

Right, I understand that, but for somebody that loves decorating either. Some minor tweaks I would do. I would start. There's definitely clearing off the countertops.

[A]

Well, that's a good start, but maybe there's no room for anything. Listen, he could live better as a decorator, especially since he's on a show and it is his commercial. Right? There's so much a decorator can do. But maybe I'm going to cut him some slack. But let's see what he does. Well, here you go. Let's see what he does with Shep's house. Like Rod and Taylor. The fact that Rod and Tyler got engaged Nine months ago. And he's saying, I would rather get a new kitchen. He's like, I'd rather spend the 40 grand on the kitchen. So let's see what he's got.

[C]

Yeah, he needs to renovate that kitchen.

[A]

I'm sorry, but their engagement party's coming up, so.

[C]

Yeah. And what an engagement party it was. That was pretty.

[A]

Very pretty. They spent some money on that.

[C]

Yeah. So then Austin and her sister Katie go to dinner. They got sibling tattoos. This was really sweet.

[A]

Is there such a thing, or was that just something they called it?

[C]

Well, it might be a thing. I don't know. I don't have any sibling tattoos. But Austin got Katie's birth year and his late sister Kyle's birth year.

[A]

That's so sad and sweet at the same time.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You know, I think it's really traumatic and. And it's a lifelong thing that you live with as a young child to lose a sibling.

[C]

No, I. As a. I mean, it's horrible. The worst thing in the entire world

[A]

is you lose a part of your parents.

[C]

Yes, but.

[A]

Because, you know, losing a child, how I give anybody credit that can get up.

[C]

But as a child, going through that and seeing your parents go through that and dealing with your own emotions and

[A]

not being able at that age to verbalize your feelings.

[C]

The worst one. It's got to be the worst feeling in the time I. I'm devastating.

[A]

My heart goes out to them and their family and, you know, and they still. I love that they still talk about her and.

[C]

Yeah. Did you happen to catch the stuff that went on. On Nick Vile, his podcast, the Vile Files? There was some drama that started when Austin appeared on his show, where the conversation unexpectedly turned to Austin's childhood trau involving the death of his sister. And listen, listeners. I didn't hear it, but I just saw some clips here and there. Listeners felt the questions were invasive, poorly timed, lack of sensitivity, sparking all kinds of backlash from the fans. Many felt he.

[A]

Was he offended at. During the.

[C]

I don't know because I didn't watch the whole interview. But many felt the moment crossed a line, especially given how deeply personal the topic was. And the criticism for Nick and Natalie. It's not good, really. And they did not issue a public apology, and people feel like they should. So I don't know. I don't know what exactly was said. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Because I. I mean, I'd have to. I. I would definitely think. I didn't even see that. So I. I don't know anything about it. I'D have to see it. But it's a touchy subject as it is, and it needs to be handled.

[C]

Yeah, delicate.

[A]

It's a delicate subject at any age, no matter how long ago it happened. But, you know, it's just hard. And I'm sorry for their family.

[C]

You know what else is hard? Watching Austin string along his poor girlfriend. I mean, even his sister is like, what are you doing? What the fuck are you doing?

[A]

She's moving here. Like, the sister's like, I love her. I like that girl. That girl's a class act. She's pretty. She cares about him. She's. But listen, why is he. He compares the moving in to a meteor crash.

[C]

I know. It's like, God, does this girl know

[A]

he feels this way? Does this girl know that this is how he talks about the relationship?

[C]

Well, I have a feeling after this episode it's the demise of their relationship because he's over there.

[A]

Well, we don't even know if they're still together.

[C]

They're not. They're not together. And could you imagine them being together in. But did she watching this.

[A]

Did they break up before she moved there?

[C]

I. I don't know that.

[A]

Or did she pick up her whole shit and move there? I mean, she would have been better off she moved there.

[C]

Did she? She hasn't moved there yet, though, in the show, has she?

[A]

Not in the show, no. No. So, I mean, we're going to find out if she moves there.

[C]

I think they break up before then. I think they break up.

[A]

And we thought the chicken coop was bad. I know. You know who I was looking pretty good right now.

[C]

You know who I fell in love with in this episode?

[A]

The mom's mom, Benita's mom. Listen to me. I have a saying. You can't beat the DNA. So seeing what Vanita comes from her beautiful mom with the most beautiful soul saying to her that. And my father has said the same thing to me, but they cut it out because they cut out anything decent about me on the show with my family. So my dad said to me and my brother said to me one day, you know, was right after Theresa's mom had passed. And there was this whole thing with Danielle Staub and, you know, Theresa, this whole thing went on when I said, welcome back, scumbag, and whatever. And, you know, my dad said, she's going through a lot. I didn't teach you to be a friend when it's easy to be a friend.

[C]

I love all the advice your parents give you. I didn't really Grow up like that. And so I'm like, you should do, like, a wisdom book or something of all the things that your parents advice, because you. Every time we talk, you say something like, my mom told me this, or there it's so. I just love it.

[A]

Well, thank you. Thank you. Been in the car, when on speaker, when I'm with my dad. Yeah. And. But my parents have a lot to offer, and, you know, I love for them, when we come back, I'm manifesting when we come back for them to see more of my dad and my brother, who's the love of my life, who's I speak to every day, and who helped me raise my kids. And, you know, he's. He's just so special to me. But there was a thing, Tamara, too, that I didn't push them in everyone's face because I said, I'm always also protecting them. But Vanita, you know, think the mom thinks that she should be a friend through good and bad times. And, you know, it's funny. I had that conversation with Gabby the other day. She was telling me something that she had said to a friend of hers, and the friend apologized, and she's like, oh, I'm not gonna call her back yet. I said, I think it's time you did.

[C]

Yeah. Sophia just went through something like that. A friend that she had all through school, and they had a little bit of a falling out, and she took a break from her, and she kept saying, should I call her? No, she probably doesn't want to hear from me. I said, get on the goddamn phone and call her right now.

[A]

Sometimes you need a mom to tell you these things.

[C]

Yeah. Maybe she might not have been the bestest friend to you, or you felt like she wasn't the bestest friend to you, but you've known her a long time, and cutting off that friendship would be very difficult moving forward.

[A]

So you need to get on that.

[C]

Yeah. And they reunited, and she's so happy. She did.

[A]

See, now life is very short. We never know what tomorrow is. Not promised to anybody. So if you ever have. Whoever's listening, like, if you ever have, like, should I talk to that person? Should I call them? You have to think about if, God forbid, something happened tomorrow, would you be sad that you didn't talk to that person or say that Whether it's a family member, whether it's a parent, a sister, a friend, whatever it is, I would rather regret doing that, then regret not doing that.

[C]

Right. Well, is her name V?

[A]

The mom's name is B. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, she kept it real with Vanita and she didn't automatically take her side. She, like you said, she told her. That was mean. That was a little mean. So.

[A]

But do you see the difference in the mothers? Charlie's mother said, well, that's your friend. Is she upset? Well, if she's upset, you know, that's okay. You need to do what's good for you. And Charlie's sister said, well, all is fair in love and war. So we're looking at two. I look at where somebody.

[C]

You're right. You're right. Yeah.

[A]

Always have, I always will, and I always do.

[C]

You know, my mom would say. My mom would go, ah, yeah, well, you don't need her anyways.

[A]

But, you know, sometimes you need to hear that too.

[C]

Advice I got.

[A]

I get, by the way. By the way, not every friend deserves that. So you have to get that advice from your parents. But say, well, my mom doesn't know this person. My mom doesn't know everything there is to know. Like, my dad doesn't know. Maybe she wasn't being the best friend to me.

[C]

Right, right.

[A]

So you gotta have to kind of say, well, okay, let me figure this out. But it's nice. I like Vy's mom. So Shep's back. From who? I was gonna say Kubo. Who am I to talk? So Cuba.

[C]

Cuba.

[A]

Not Cuban.

[C]

Yeah. So he's. He's back. It's weird to. Because he was on the last episode. I wonder, did he just went for vacationing? Because was it a. Yeah.

[A]

What was he doing in Cuba? It's kind of like.

[C]

Well, when we're filming, they're like, you have three months to film. Like, you. You can't be planning a trip vacation during that.

[A]

Unless I don't, like, say yes to a wedding when I'm filming.

[C]

Because I know, like, why he just feels like he can go to Cuba. Cuba. Cuba. I don't know how to say it.

[A]

And Cuba.

[C]

And then he comes home and he's basically homeless right now because he rents his house out and he says he makes great money renting his house out and his new house has no furniture in it.

[A]

I can't go on vacation when I have no furniture in my house and nowhere to live. I just can't enjoy it. I'm sorry. I can't enjoy if I didn't read an email.

[C]

Right, right. But that was funny.

[A]

Like, oh, that was so funny. Geez, I'm so glad. But he's not bothered by it. No, he's just not.

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[C]

Shep doesn't think Craig was intentionally flirting with Sally. So that's Shep's perception of it. He's always going to stick with this guy. It seems like Craig thought Sally, do

[A]

you think he was?

[C]

I think that there was some things going on. I don't know. It's hard to know really. Like he said it like this. I was just being nice. When a girl sends me a text saying, what exactly did she say for him to say, well, you could have spent the night, I don't know. But you know what she kind of led that with and he said in his confessional, what am I supposed to say? No, you shouldn't have spent the night.

[A]

I'm not totally against him.

[C]

I'm not either. I mean, this is a guy I'm going to talk about of a long, well, what three year relationship where he's absolutely heartbroken.

[A]

They say hurt people hurt. He's being a little selfish. He's saying. He's saying Sally said, oh, I should have stayed. And he said, yeah, you should have. That doesn't mean I wanted you.

[C]

It doesn't mean we should bone.

[A]

Like what? He's like, I was trying to be nice. And, you know, Shep is saying, like, he wasn't being nasty to her.

[C]

Where he was nasty is to tell the other people that she's like a.

[A]

A tornado. Is that the worst thing that she is. She is, she's walking into this party we're going to get to and she is walking around telling everybody what he said. She. He said about him. And she's being a tornado. She's doing it.

[C]

Yeah, but I don't think at the time was right for him to say that. I mean, she just said like, I have feelings for you. And he's like, I don't see it. And then instead of being like, knowing that she's upset and she has feelings for him, he goes and tells the group, like, negative stuff about her. Like, it just be like, I don't think he. How about, hey, I just kind of feel bad she said she had feelings and I'm not there. You know, I hope that we can be friends. But instead he's like, you know, dismissing their friendship that he's had with her for a long time and saying she's tornado. I don't think that was right of him to do that.

[A]

Well, I could tell you this, it wasn't, but I don't think he was planning on them going, going back and telling her everything he said. But you should know if you know it's on camera. Yes. Or if it's always camera. We're in the world where that's getting back. If you wanted to go back. But was he drinking? Were they drinking?

[C]

He's always drinking.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, he's always drinking.

[A]

Loose lips sink ships.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm saying that he was just feeling free, I think. And I also think, and I'm going to tell you this, one of the reasons he was speaking in a negative kind of tone about her was because he is pissed off that Charlie's apprehensive about being with him because of Sally. And he's getting, it's getting on his nerves.

[C]

It seems like Craig thought Sally was like one of the guys and that's how he thought he was treating her.

[A]

Well, if you're in a hot tub with a guy till 4 o' clock in the morning and he's not trying to bone you.

[C]

Yep. Yep.

[A]

Then he does not like you. He does not. And that's a man. Yeah, he's a man. A stiff one has no conscience. And he does not Care, like, right. He's not thinking. He's not even thinking about if you're going to be upset if he doesn't like you, if you're next to him in a hot tub that long till like 4 o' clock in the morning, more than once, and nothing happens. He's not interested.

[C]

He's not into you.

[A]

He's just. There's a book. He's just not into you.

[C]

He's just not into you. It's not you, it's me.

[A]

Yeah. And that's okay. He doesn't have to like you.

[C]

Well, we got to see Audrey. She's in town. They're getting ready for the games of party. She looked beautiful.

[A]

So pretty.

[C]

So pretty. And Audrey's not looking forward to seeing

[A]

Shep and Craig because she's sticking up for her man.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Who's not sticking up for her behind the scenes.

[C]

Yeah. So what are your thoughts on all that?

[A]

I think she's wasting her time.

[C]

Well, she made a comment and I thought, oof, that's gonna bite you where she says it makes me look like my head is buried in the sand or something like that. And had she known all the things that he's been saying about her this season and all the concerns that the cast have, she's. She. Her head was buried.

[A]

She doesn't know. It's not her fault. Yeah, but she doesn't have friends over here that are telling her.

[C]

There has to be some red flags. There has to be some clues. See, if he's telling people this, then he's probably not that. I mean, he won't even really go to her house. He always has to have her come to his house.

[A]

I don't like that. That's not. But listen, Madison told her, she warned her that Sally. Sally's kind of going for him. You need to go look. And after that conversation, he should. She. Out of respect to his girlfriend, he should have kind of stayed away from Sally. But let's get to the party because I have.

[C]

I have another thought about that, too. Okay, so Sally's part of the cast, and when we film these things, my husband, he doesn't get involved. My husband, he kind of steps away. Like, he'll engage with the other husband.

[A]

He's so nice. He's so nice.

[C]

He is the sweetest. But so do you think that Audrey was just like, oh, you know, they're filming a show together. I'm not a main cast member. Just let them do their thing? And is that how Austin was thinking too? Like, okay, I know, she's over there sitting there. It's just adding to the fact that it doesn't look like he's into her at all.

[A]

You know, that's a really, really, really good point you just made. But you know what? When you bring somebody on and she's not there all the time, it's not like he has to babysit her all the time. She's on every, like, you know, third episode or whatever.

[C]

She's only been on a couple episodes this year.

[A]

Yeah, so what if you're filming? Have respect for her. Yeah, have respect for her. Make her feel welcome. Make her feel like she's part of it. And the girls. The girls should also be doing that, which they are. They've been kind of nice to her. But, like, you know. Well, it didn't.

[C]

It didn't help that Sally hasn't even said hi to her. I wouldn't even said hi.

[A]

By the way, how old are they? I just want it because I'm gonna.

[C]

30s. They're in their 30s.

[A]

In my 30s, Sally would be picking her teeth up off the ground. No, I'm not. No, I would too. No, I'm not even kidding you. Like, Sally ass would be getting dragged. That is disrespectful to his girlfriend. And you know what? That is that more than even me being a jealous girlfriend, it would be the fact of the lack of respect that Sally's giving to her as another girl.

[C]

We should get Audrey on this podcast and see where they're at today and how, you know, how she feels watching the show.

[A]

So I feel very. I feel like she handled it like a lady when she walked past them. Because even. Even, you know, Charlie said, oh, she just, like, they kind of. She.

[C]

She was classier than me. I would have kicked them.

[A]

Craig was like, how does. How does she feel about. How does Audrey's feeling about them being belly to belly at the bar? And they wouldn't be belly to belly if I was there. I would just be like, you know what, Sally?

[C]

Well, you know, Audrey, she walks by, then she goes and sits by herself.

[A]

And then he was smart enough to

[C]

go, yeah, but I would have just left. I'm like, this is nonsense. Like, I'm out of here unless she

[A]

has my man to be with her. Even if I didn't want to be with him anymore. My mother always.

[C]

Your mother always says, my mother always said that's the name of your book. My mother always says, my mother always

[A]

said if somebody was doing that to my guy, like, if you're at A party and some girl's flirting with him. Don't run off and let them be together. Don't.

[C]

Unless you don't want him anymore.

[A]

Unless you don't want him anymore. But she does. She's moving there for him.

[C]

No, she's not. Things look like they're going to escalate next week and I feel like there's going to be a huge blow up and I'm wondering if that's where the relationship is done.

[A]

Well, it should be.

[C]

I'm looking forward to seeing that.

[A]

Listen, Audrey's not going to be sitting alone by herself long.

[C]

She's beautiful.

[A]

She's a good girlfriend.

[C]

Shep will come in.

[A]

Shep's going to. Shep right up there.

[C]

Yep, yep. He's going to swoop right in and take her.

[A]

Schlep her up. Shep is going to schlep her up. That's for sure. But no, like, it wouldn't be smart when somebody's flirting with your guy, making you look like an asshole at the party. If you like him, you gotta at least stay there.

[C]

No.

[A]

And then. And then. And then beat the shit out of him when he gets home.

[C]

Well, I would have loved to see her just go up to them and just make them feel uncomfortable and be

[A]

like, yeah, like, Sally, really?

[C]

Out of here. Get out of here, Sally.

[A]

And then say to him, you're an asshole. But she handled it well. But you don't know what she's saying at the table.

[C]

Well, the previews for next week, she's like, she's giving it to him.

[A]

We can't.

[C]

Yeah, well, that's it, guys. That's what we have for this week. So thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see you next week.

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