Come At Me, Twots (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Come At Me, Twots (RHOP Recap)
Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: Tamra Judge & Dolores Catania (subbing for Teddi)

Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Tamra Judge and Dolores Catania reunite post-holidays to recap The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 13, dissect recent housewives gossip, share personal reflections on wellness trends and aging, and drop candid opinions on housewife drama—from Andy Cohen facelift rumors to Beverly Hills relationships and the latest RHOP feuds.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Holiday Catch-Up & Life Updates

(03:46–13:04)

• Family Holidays: Tamra and Dolores recount their holiday plans, big family gatherings, and escapades through logistical challenges (e.g., cautious mountain driving).
  • Dolores: “My mom went to Big Bear for a couple days, and she left. And then Sophia and her boyfriend came…” (05:42)
• Health & Wellness: They discuss health routines, the peptide craze, and hormone therapies, revealing anxieties about longevity and side effects.
  • Tamra: “I’m on this new peptide, Kristen Henanian gave me. It’s called Humanin. Let me tell you—best thing in the entire world.” (07:19)
  • Dolores: Candidly shares how prior HGH usage contributed to melanoma fears (08:57).

2. Aging, Beauty Trends & Andy Cohen's “Facelift”

(13:04–16:48)

• Andy Cohen Speculation: Rumors swirl among the hosts’ friends about Andy’s changing looks on New Year’s Eve; consensus is weight loss and new veneers, not surgery.
  • Tamra: “I said, Andy, you’re talking to people who do this for a living. He did not get a facelift.” (13:39)
• Cosmetic Procedures: Both candidly discuss Botox, facelifts, and the pressure of public aging.
  • Dolores: “You really feel it and you really see it… do I need another facelift? Like a little tweak.” (14:12)

3. Housewives Relationship Gossip

(17:24–23:05)

• Kyle & Mauricio (RHOBH): Speculation on whether they’re reconciling or just good co-parents after they're seen together at Kate Hudson's Aspen NYE party.
  • Dolores: “They had their arms around one another and were touchy, and I like that.” (19:13)
• Denise Richards & Aaron: Dolores and Tamra roast Aaron’s rumored GoFundMe for eviction, poke at adulting responsibilities.
  • Tamra: “He’s a grown ass man… why doesn’t he work?” (19:53)
• Other splits: Chat about Real Housewives of Atlanta breakups, with Tamra declaring, “It didn’t need an announcement.” (21:08)

4. Erica Jayne, Filming Dynamics & Housewife Life

(22:03–25:32)

• Discuss Erica Jayne’s new romance with her security guard and how partners affect filming.
  • Dolores: “It makes it very difficult because… I want to show as much as my life as I can, you know?” (22:41)

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RHOP Season 13 Recap & Discussion

(31:17–58:09)

5. Angel Under Fire

(31:17–41:47)

• Dolores and Tamra are exasperated by castmates dogpiling Angel, empathizing with her situation.
  • Dolores: “Leave her alone.” (31:37)
  • Tamra: “Your only friend on the show isn’t even having your back. Get out right now.” (31:41)
• Discussion on RHOP’s themes around family, especially Tia and her sister’s nostalgia and Wendy’s fraught relationship with her mom.

Notable Quote:

“Any mother that went through what her mother went through—worked four jobs to pay for Wendy’s school, and this man never looked back… I don’t blame her mother, I’m sorry.”
—Tamra (33:56)

6. Book Party & Social Games

(37:46–49:25)

• Recap of Monique’s “Love Letters From Versions Of Myself” sip-and-read event, with everyone predicting shady housewife games.
  • Dolores: “I love how every time a housewife suggests a shady game, everybody acts so surprised… It’s the housewife way.” (48:10)
• Shade thrown in ‘binder game’ is discussed—Stacy’s robotic politeness (dubbed “AI”), lack of real connection for Angel, Ashley and Giselle’s continued antagonism.

Notable Quote:

“She’s just, you know—perfection… Stepford Wife or something… Everything’s perfect.”
—Dolores on Stacy (37:20)

7. Eviction Drama & RHOP Trip to Colorado

(50:12–57:54)

• The recurring “Angel eviction” taunt is dissected; hosts express frustration if there’s no real evidence.
  • Dolores: “Enough is enough—unless you have real evidence, just stop with this already.” (50:57)
• Discussion on room assignments in Colorado, with the hosts finding the “who’s staying at Angel’s house” drama petty.
  • Tamra: “They just want another thing to pick on her.” (55:54)

8. Other RHOP Cast Commentary

• Praise for Robin (and missing her on the show).
  • Dolores: “I love Robin… She’s fun, she’s smart, she’s beautiful…” (58:09)
• Rumination on how housewives handle family scandals on camera, boundaries of sharing, and the complexities of friendship loyalty on-screen.

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Memorable Moments & Zingers

• On Andy Cohen’s transformation:
  “He lost 20 pounds… and he had a lot of makeup on.” —Dolores (15:50)
• On being accused of having fake bags:
  “But didn’t we hear, like, in the court that she returned, like, she wasn’t her Chanel bags and stuff… she must have real ones.” —Dolores (49:49)
• On bodyguard culture for reality stars:
  “Spencer Pratt and Heidi need [bodyguards] at one time? Come on!” —Dolores (24:09)
• On shade games:
  “Yes, you did [intend to be shady with the binder game].” —Tamra (48:37)
• On housewife resilience:
  “You show up on camera, you’re brave.” —Tamra (50:26)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:46 – Show kicks off; holiday and life catchup
• 07:19 – Tamra discusses peptide craze
• 08:57 – Dolores’ cautionary tale on HGH
• 13:14 – Andy Cohen “facelift” rumors tackled
• 17:24 – Kyle & Mauricio’s Aspen party hug
• 19:53 – Aaron’s eviction GoFundMe drama
• 22:41 – Erica Jayne’s relationship and filming dilemmas
• 31:17 – Potomac recap starts: Angel takes heat
• 37:46 – Monique’s binder/book party
• 41:47 – Housewife games philosophy
• 50:12 – The eviction/heated shade cycle continues
• 55:54 – RHOP’s Colorado trip logistics
• 58:09 – Tribute to Robin, housewives’ on-camera honesty

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Overall Vibe & Takeaways

• The episode is breezy, sharp, and honest—hosts don’t hold back, relying on their own housewife experiences to judge, roast, and empathize with current RHOP cast drama.
• Major sympathy is extended to Angel, while suspicion lingers about “missing info” that causes her continuing ostracization.
• Dolores and Tamra are deeply candid about aging, wellness, and cosmetic culture, constantly looping Housewives drama into broader themes of authenticity, performance, and scrutiny under public eyes.

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Final Thoughts

This show delivers exactly what fans want: Housewives recapping Housewives, with behind-the-scenes knowledge, genuine emotion, and a healthy dose of side-eye. As always, Tamra and Dolores manage to keep the gossip spicy but grounded, balancing laughter with advice and a sprinkle of sincerity. The RHOP drama is left unresolved, with promises of more dirt and receipts in the next episode.

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For full details and every sharp-tongued aside, catch the full episode wherever you listen to podcasts.

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

Two T's in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Dolores Catania]

Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Dolores, we are back.

[Tamara Judge]

Happy New Year. I hope everyone had an amazing New Year's.

[Dolores Catania]

You didn't run off and get married on New Year's, right?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I'm waiting. Next year.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, you're waiting.

[Tamara Judge]

You'll have a party to go to next New Year's if you want to come.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, of course I would go.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm hoping it's next New Year's.

[Dolores Catania]

If you don't invite me, then I'm gonna. I'm gonna crash it.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you know what? I just want. I want an open wedding. Whoever wants to come. New Year's party, We'll have a good time. Like Taylor Swift, she said. I saw her in an interview. She's inviting everyone. She doesn't want to think about who she didn't invite. Really? Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, everybody just come to my wedding.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, have a. A big party. That's.

[Dolores Catania]

That would make it kind of difficult. Maybe not for Taylor Swift, but the average person for food and all that stuff for sure, but keep the food coming.

[Tamara Judge]

I went to an Indian wedding one time I flew to with my daughter to California for it. And it was like 900 people. They fed everybody. I don't know how they did it, but I wasn't.

[Dolores Catania]

As long as they know how many people are coming. Did you happen to watch Andy and Anderson Cooper on New Year's Eve?

[Tamara Judge]

I stay home and watch him all the time. And I text him and I send him pictures of his drunk self while he's there.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, that's so funny. So funny. He actually text me that morning of New Year's Eve and was very sweet. He sent me a picture of us on New Year's Eve. So many years ago.

[Tamara Judge]

That's so many years ago. Yeah. Sweet. Where were you guys?

[Dolores Catania]

We were in Big Bear for New Year's Eve. So we did Christmas Eve at the house. And you know, we have a lot of extended family now because the kids have significant others. You know, Spencer's been with his girlfriend, I want to say close to three years, and we've gotten to know her family. Yes, they're lovely. They were at our live event that last year.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe they were probably just dating at the time.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they came over and her brother came over and it was just, you know, Sarah and Ava. Ava were here. So there was a. There was a lot of people here on Christmas Eve. And then Christmas Day we drove to Big Bear. Nice. And. Yeah. And then my mom went to Big Bear for a couple days and she left. And then Sophia and her boyfriend came for Sophia.

[Tamara Judge]

Up the hill. Got her.

[Dolores Catania]

Up the hill?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. You drove down and got her?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. I want to thank Brandon over at Quaid Harley Davidson. He's a friend of Eddie's and mine, and he let. It's kind of at the bottom of the hill in Redlands. He allowed Sophia to park her car there in the gated area. And we just went and picked her up because I did not want her driving up. You know, it had been raining. She had never driven up the hill before. He had never driven up the hill. So I'm like, I would be paranoid the entire time.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's what, two hours up that hill?

[Dolores Catania]

It's one hour.

[Tamara Judge]

One hour.

[Dolores Catania]

It's one hour. So I went one hour down, picked her up, one hour up. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. It was a mad.

[Dolores Catania]

We had so much fun. We really did.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, God, you look good.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah. So we are back. It seemed like we were gone forever.

[Tamara Judge]

It seemed like forever. This was a really long holiday.

[Nancy Glass]

It was.

[Tamara Judge]

We were sick. Paul didn't make it to Christmas Eve. I pulled an all nighter. I. I wrapped gifts. We got home from shopping 10:30 the night before Christmas Eve. And I shot. I wrapped gifts until the next morning. And then that was Christmas Eve that I was.

[Dolores Catania]

Why do you do that to yourself?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. It's just who I am. A lot of people maybe have ADD or whatever that is, because a lot of people do that. A lot of people wait till the last minute and get it done. Only that they're only able to get it that way. I. I'm on this new peptide Kristin Henanian gave me. It's called Humanin. Let me tell you something, it is the best thing in the entire world.

[Dolores Catania]

What does it do?

[Tamara Judge]

I think straight. I get so much done it clarity. I mean whatever that is in this human in Kristen, you have to ask Kristen Heninian, she's on Instagram. But whatever's in it, I need it. It's the. I'm telling you, I'm not even tired. I'm just sick, but I'm not tired.

[Dolores Catania]

So I went. That's interesting because I went down a rabbit hole last night and I literally stayed up. I don't, you know me, I go to bed really early, I stayed up late just reading about peptides and, and like the anti aging ones and the ones for gut health and for inflammation and things like that. And it's pretty interesting. You have like a mixed. Especially on social media, there's mixed. People are like, no, they're horrible for you. And other people are like, no, they're great for you. So it's. The whole peptide thing is very confusing to me. So you have people like, okay, so a GLP1 falls under peptides, is that correct?

[Tamara Judge]

I think so.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know that much about it. Just from what I was.

[Amanda Knox]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't say yes, but I would think so. I don't care what it falls under. I'm taking that. I'm going to take everything else that makes me feel good.

[Dolores Catania]

So I always get concerned because I jumped on the bandwagon of taking HGH injections years ago. Years ago. And this is before I did my fitness competition. You know, it was supposed to be a recovery drug. It's not a steroid where it bulks you up like that. It's just, it helps you with recovery, helps your skin, things like that. And while I was on it, I was going to the dermatologist, getting things burnt off my arms and body cut out of my body, not thinking that it was the hgh. And then I ended up with melanoma. Melanoma. And the doctor, she kept saying to me, and I was too embarrassed to tell her, she's like, why are you getting all these things growing on you?

[Tamara Judge]

So you read that that's what it is?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, it, yeah. I had multiple different skin cancers removed. Then I ended up with melanoma. Then I told my doctor that was a hormone doctor that was giving it to me and he said, get off now, get off. So that it will help your. If you have cancer, it's going to make that grow too. So we all have cancer makes things grow. Yes, yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Human growth hormone, hgh, human growth hormone.

[Dolores Catania]

So that was the big thing like,

[Tamara Judge]

yeah, 10 years ago.

[Dolores Catania]

10 years ago. But I see, I read a lot about these peptides where they're like, oh well this is gonna increase your HGH and all this stuff. And that scared the out of me. So I don't know, I don't know enough about it that it just kind of scares me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I talk to people that do know enough about it.

[Jermaine Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know enough about it. So that's why people that actually study it.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well that understand the science behind it. Those are the people like Kristen that I take the advice from.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I just, it just scares me to inject anything. I might be a total fool for not doing it because I know so many people that are doing it. Well, I know people that are like, okay, well I'm going to be on a GLP1. But then I got to inject this thing so I don't waste my muscle. Then I got to take this for this and it's just like, oh my God. It's just a lot. It's just a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

So I do it, girl.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm doing it all. I'm doing it all. The older I get, the more afraid I am of what I put into my body. And of course Eddie is the type that is won't even take like Tylenol.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you guys look great. You look amazing. You've been, you've been healthy for a long time. You've been ahead of the game for a long time. For those of us who haven't, we got to do more than.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, it's harder, you know. And Eddie and I had this conversation the other day. Like he's like, jesus. He goes, I was like, I could see my belly, I could look down to my belly.

[Tamara Judge]

I said, well.

[Dolores Catania]

He goes, just getting older is not like it's harder. It's harder to work out.

[Tamara Judge]

It's.

[Dolores Catania]

You get tired easy. You are not as motivated.

[Tamara Judge]

So it's like, that's why you need Peptides.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what we were talking about. I go, do you think we're the idiots that are just like, nope, we're going to do it like, you know, the old fashioned way.

[Tamara Judge]

I gave into hormones, I gave into hrt. I've been doing that for years. Hrt. I Gave into that and I didn't do it for a long time. So listen in moderation when you're ready. And then my advice to everyone who wants to do it, just do it right. Listen to someone who didn't take a weekend course or just has, like, a certification. Somebody who actually has a passion for it and knows it inside and out. That's my advice. And I know they're hard to find, but that's the one person I suggest to listen to.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I don't really make New Year's resolutions, but I am going to take care of myself better this year. And that means, like, focusing like I used to back on my nutrition and making sure I eat a certain amount of protein every single day. And my workouts and working, you know, lifting heavy and cardio. And also I'm like, 2026.

[Tamara Judge]

Sounds good. Sounds like a good plan.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So, you know, I noticed that there's somebody else that's a little bit concerned about his looks, and that's Andy Cohen.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, the people that were here. My family was here. My sister Tanya, brother in law. Right. Anyway, Paul's like, did he get a facelift?

[Dolores Catania]

I got text. I didn't watch because we were, like, playing pool and doing all this stuff. And my girlfriend texts me. She's like, what is going on with Andy Cohen? I go, why? What? And she sent me a picture. And she goes, he. Did he have a facelift? And I said, I don't think so.

[Tamara Judge]

I said, botox. Did you get. Andy, you're talking to, like, people who do this for a living. And he did not get a facelift.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, there's not facelift. And I thought.

[Tamara Judge]

I think he.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, I didn't see him.

[Tamara Judge]

He lost 20 pounds.

[Dolores Catania]

He lost 20 pounds.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but that'll do it.

[Dolores Catania]

He. He looks like he's got new teeth, too. He's got some new. New teeth.

[Tamara Judge]

Wasn't there an article about that? He didn't get veneers. He got veneers.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, he's at that age. You know, he's the same age as me. And it's like, in a few years, we'll be 60.

[Tamara Judge]

Holy.

[Dolores Catania]

And it's like you start like, oh, God. You really feel it. You really feel it and you really see it. And it's like I was looking in the mirror the other day. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm getting, like, you know, this little creepiness on the sides of my mouth. I'm like, do I need another facelift? Like a little Tweak.

[Tamara Judge]

There's maintenance with everything.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And, you know, there's treatments that you can do for upkeep, which you should be doing if you're not. And yeah, don't really do anything.

[Dolores Catania]

And. And since I got. Well, I do. I do Botox under my eye.

[Tamara Judge]

That's it. You Botox in your forehead?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I had a forehead lift. So I do it maybe once a year since I had it done. I don't really need to now because I had the forehead lift.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you still need maintenance. And what I mean by that is RF needling. You don't really have to do that anymore. There's something called Somacel. There's something called Zirf. There's things that actually take the place of that that aren't as.

[Dolores Catania]

What does that do?

[Tamara Judge]

So it does the same thing as what a RF needling would have done. That if we did in our younger years, we wouldn't have needed this. So it produces collagen and it stimulates collagen to keep. For the upkeep on your facelift. So it's like once a. I think I need that.

[Dolores Catania]

What about Sculptra? Have you ever tried that?

[Tamara Judge]

I've heard of Sculptra. I've spoke to a lot of people that have done it. I'm not so sure that that's something I would do. But I can't talk against it or for it because I haven't done it myself. I only speak on things I've done myself.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, well, you know, Us Weekly came out and said that Andy Cohen has addresses plastic surgery speculations after co host CNN Live near when he co hosted CNN's live New Year's Eve broadcast Anderson Cooper. He just said that, you know What? I've lost 20 pounds, like you said, and I had a lot of makeup on.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he looked great, talks and he's so entertaining. He's one of the reasons I don't mind staying home on New Year's because I think he's hysterical and I can't wait towards the end of the night when things get really good. So he never disappoints. Him and Anderson Cooper do not disappoint. He did get himself in a little trouble again this year. But listen, I'm hoping it.

[Dolores Catania]

Was it the mayor or the ex mayor?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, the ex. The ex mayor, I don't think.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, said something.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I didn't really get what he was saying. I was laughing too much.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I don't know that much about it. I Just saw the clip on Instagram, but Anderson Cooper's like, oh, no, here he goes. Here he goes. And, yeah, he's like, I don't go there. I was reading the comments, which I don't do a lot of, and I told Eddie, I said, wow. I said, you know, when you get all the shit comments, you think, like, you're the only one. But then I saw, like, oh, my God. All Andy did was say something about the mayor, and people are, like, blasting him and saying things. I'm like, the climate. What is wrong with people?

[Tamara Judge]

The climate is so bad. That's why I look at the monks every day and I cry. I'm telling you, I didn't think I could cry again. And they bring tears to my eyes every day. I love them so much.

[Dolores Catania]

Did you see they brought the.

[Tamara Judge]

The. The monk.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, yes. And he was all smiles, and I was dying.

[Tamara Judge]

It's my heart. Can't take it. But speaking of hearts, how about the. Your. Your friend there, Kyle and Mauricio, snuggling it up on New Year's.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Do you think that this is exaggerated? Do you think that?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I didn't see pictures of it.

[Dolores Catania]

I saw a few pictures. Six was the one that reported it. I think that they have a good, very good relationship. We, you know, we see it on Beverly Hills. She goes and visits him, and they talk about their situation. I don't know, but people are saying the duo looked very obviously together now. They were at Kate Hudson's New Year's Eve party in Aspen. I. I was so jealous of all the people in Aspen. Just. You're not. I have never been. That's why I'm like, oh, my God, that looks so.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't care. I'm not going anywhere. Cold. My daughter and her boyfriend.

[Dolores Catania]

You live in a cold place.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. That's why when I leave here, I don't want to go to a cold.

[Dolores Catania]

Gotcha.

[Tamara Judge]

But even if I didn't, I'm not into the cold. Like, I am chained to the chair in New Jersey. I am here. My family is here. Everything I love is here. And I'm not that kind of a person that can leave. But if I could, I wouldn't be here.

[Dolores Catania]

I have always.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't like the weather. I love New Jersey. I don't like the weather.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I getcha. I had always hoped that they would get back together. Kyle Mauricio, because, you know, they've been together for so long and family and all that stuff. But according to Page Six, they're just enjoying one another's company. They had their arms around one another and were touchy, and I like that.

[Tamara Judge]

And I. And I want that for them and I want that for family. But I could tell you who's not getting back together. Denise Richards and that mess Aaron. Did his mother really put a. A gofundme out because he got evicted?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

But is that even true? She quickly.

[Dolores Catania]

I heard she quickly took it down. She raised the 1300 dollar.

[Tamara Judge]

Give it back. He's a grown ass man, strapping guy. He's. He's strong enough to take her little finger, her little hand and twist it out of a party. Why doesn't he work?

[Dolores Catania]

Why doesn't he work?

[Tamara Judge]

It's still up, sis. Just so you know. And let me tell you something. I work my ass off and everybody in my family works their ass off. And I can tell you that damn ass got he. There ain't nothing wrong with him that he can't work 10 jobs.

[Dolores Catania]

I just don't understand it. I thought that he was in some medical field or something like that, but

[Tamara Judge]

I guess he didn't get money from the marriage.

[Dolores Catania]

But let me ask you a question. Didn't. Well, I'm sure they haven't gone through the financial part of it yet, but didn't the mom live with him? So was the mom. Wasn't the mom evicted as well?

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, I. I don't know the full story.

[Dolores Catania]

Another housewife couple have split up. The Real House of Atlanta.

[Tamara Judge]

Brit.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, no shocker, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Brett, all the power to you. You're not on the show anymore. I don't think anybody cares. Yeah, I don't think you didn't show up to the reunion. Like no one's asking.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, that's right, I forgot. So she's not even back, right?

[Tamara Judge]

That's right. You think they're getting along? I wonder what happened to their marriage. It didn't need an announcement.

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, long enough to make an impact on whether or not people care what you do when you leave. There you go.

[Dolores Catania]

There you go making headlines again.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Dolores Catania]

I love you for that. The only thing that would have been more cringe. It would have been more cringe if she would have said at the very end of her, you know, statement, please give us our space during this difficult time. Don't you hate that?

[Tamara Judge]

I will not feed into the drama and narratives being painted of what nobody knows, nobody cares. You didn't even realize that. You forgot she even didn't show up to the reunion.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, let's get into. Now that we're on relationships. I love how Erica Jane spoke about the security man that she's dating.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. I mean, I think that that was. What was she on, like a after show or an interview or a podcast or something like that. But US Weekly did report on it, and she talked about Kyle and the things she said. That little sit down that they had. Yeah, she was. There was other. There's other somebody else's relationship life.

[Tamara Judge]

If they're not on the show, they don't have to be. Yeah, no, sure.

[Dolores Catania]

It makes it very difficult. You know, I had a couple years where Eddie's like, I don't want to film. I do not want to film. He's not like that guy.

[Tamara Judge]

I get it. He's not on the payroll.

[Dolores Catania]

No, but it makes it very difficult because you want to be. For me especially, I want to be the best housewife I can. And I want to show as much as my life as I can, you know? But sometimes when this situation, Kyle wanted to be open about it, but she couldn't because the other person. And I think that Erica was really nice to talk about it. She also talked about, like you said, her new relationship. I'm glad to hear that they're still together.

[Tamara Judge]

But she said maybe that's not why they. Because, you know, this has been for a while now. Maybe that's why she didn't want to come out and meet the guys at the house that time.

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe.

[Tamara Judge]

Or because she was shy. I think she was shy.

[Dolores Catania]

I bet you it was more. You know what? I think you're on to something. It wasn't that she was shy. It was because she's in a relationship and she's like this.

[Tamara Judge]

And, you know, he ain't the type of guy. He don't look like the type of guy that's going to be like, okay with that.

[Dolores Catania]

So his nickname is Shrek.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So maybe not.

[Dolores Catania]

He was military, right? Like in the military?

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, that would be like. Yeah, that's. Maybe she was just probably saying, like, I don't want any trouble when this airs, so I'm going to just be shy and stay in the kitchen.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you know what threw me, though? She said in the interview that he was good friends with Spencer Pratt. Yeah, that kind of threw me. I don't know. I just don't see those two hanging out.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, there's a lot of people I hang out with. You probably wouldn't think I'd be hanging out with. Oh, he's their bodyguard.

[Dolores Catania]

Wait, they need bodyguards.

[Tamara Judge]

Here we go.

[Dolores Catania]

Spencer Pratt and Heidi need at one time.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe at one time.

[Dolores Catania]

Come on.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? Maybe at one time they needed and you know, but I've done.

[Dolores Catania]

I know you've done them too. We've done appearances and they whisk us into. Through a crowd and they will have. The venue will have bodyguards and it to me, it is so embarrassing.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I have a lovely bodyguard named George. He is the sweetest angel. So cute. He is my personal security, like during my game or when I need him to like be at an event. So my, you know, like the, the angel on the Christmas. What? What is it? He's my George. He's my little angel. I love him and I call him. I think usually I don't need him. I just like just have him a

[Dolores Catania]

part of my security. I guess it's all where you go. I guess I don't really need a bodyguard sitting at home all the time.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't need one to walk me around. Most people need bodyguards from me. But I. Yeah, that's how Erika Jayne met him. But she said she went up to him in full costume so she got that out of the way because she's not shy. So she definitely wasn't during filming staying away from those guys because she's shy. Right, right, right. I like her. She's so beautiful.

[Dolores Catania]

She's so pretty.

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[Mind Games Expert]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Jermaine Hudson]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him, but the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.

[Mind Games Expert]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's the Unicorn.

[Tamara Judge]

No one had ever seen anything like that.

[Dolores Catania]

It was unbelievable.

[Mind Games Expert]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Jermaine Hudson]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a

[Dolores Catania]

mini driver, the Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're gonna have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are Misunderstood A Sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Dolores Catania]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Dolores Catania]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores Catania]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Tamara Judge]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Mind Games Expert]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple plus podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime.

[Jermaine Hudson]

He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.

[Nancy Glass]

He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.

[Jermaine Hudson]

The best lie is partial truth.

[Nancy Glass]

For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything.

[Jermaine Hudson]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dolores Catania]

So let's get on to Potomac now. This is episode 13. We're coming to an end on Potomac. Get to the fucking end of this season. Because you know who's really pissing me off is the people that are going and just going after Angel. Leave her alone.

[Tamara Judge]

Angel. Just get out.

[Dolores Catania]

Get out. Run, Angel.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not for you. And your only friend on the show, Kiara, and I is not having her back as far as I could see. So just get out right now.

[Dolores Catania]

They start off where Tia and her sister go to their old house. You're done that before. Just like go to your old house that you grew up in or your parents still live.

[Tamara Judge]

They're still in it. My boss, my dad's in the house in Patterson we grew up in. It's like a one bedroom apartment where five kids were in. It's a two family house. He's still there. I haven't been. And then my mom is still in the house I grew up in. So they're still there. But I thought this woman and her children were lovely. What?

[Dolores Catania]

Lovely.

[Tamara Judge]

She was so nice. And when they were walking through the house and it was like so emotional and to find that there was a little excerpt from something saying, but it was stamped on the day of their dad's birthday. It's like little signs that mean a lot. And I find with Tia that she's really living with a lot of guilt that her dad wanted her to be close to her sister. When he was alive. And she's like, I'm close with her now, and we're all close, and I wish we could have given him that. Yeah, I get it, though. Like, I. There's so much. The shows of people going through stuff about their early childhood and dealing with their parents. Now you have, like, on Salt Lake City and also here. And, you know, by the way, that thing about Wendy and her mom, it's been bothering me because I. I'm siding more with her mom. And I have that book, My Mother's Tears. It's right here.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, can I. Can I say something? I am very shocked.

[Tamara Judge]

She wrote about what her mother went through, and, you know.

[Dolores Catania]

What do you mean? What'd her mother go through?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I. I'm gonna. I'm gonna read into it because it's bothering me because I think that lady got a bad rap for being upset. But, you know, Wendy keeps. You want to be close with. Yeah, the fuck, yeah. That man never looked back. And she even said, you're. You went across the world with your children to see your father. The kids that you don't want to hear about how bad he is, and. And he didn't even come see you, and you're crying over your father. I understand this woman.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think she's doing it for tv?

[Tamara Judge]

Wendy?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's a little bit of both, to be honest. But she don't have to tell her mother. Any mother that went through what her mother went through worked four jobs to pay for Wendy's school. This man never showed up and never looked back. Never looked back. And Wendy's like, I spoke to him. I called him. I don't blame her mother. I'm sorry.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I was a little disappointed that we ended. Yeah, we ended last episode of this big old fight between her and her mother, and then this week's episode. Hardly any talk about it. Nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I want to talk more about it because it has bothered me since. And I've read about. A lot of the single moms are going. I get where she's coming from, you know, And I'm not against Wendy wanting that relationship to heal with her father. However, don't tell your mother. Don't talk about it in front of your mother. She doesn't need to hear it.

[Dolores Catania]

Some respect for the mom. Yes, yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Nancy Glass]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

The white woman that has been there for you.

[Tamara Judge]

That's right. And. And then you have Eddie dabbing, dabbing her tears. Wendy, your mother never had somebody to dab her tears when she was working four Jobs, you know, sick tired, getting up and going to work, taking care of kids on her own, I'm sure. Crying on her own in her. With that you didn't see. And no, she didn't have an Eddie. So you got it good for a long time. So be empathetic to your mom. And if you want to love your dad and be close with your dad, keep it to yourself.

[Dolores Catania]

Keep it to yourself. I agree with that. Now, Wendy, Giselle and Ashley meet for lunch. Now, the girls are going to Colorado. They've been invited by angel to go to her house, is what they think. But they don't want angel to be a Debbie Downer. Well, if you don't want her to be a Debbie Downer, then get off her neck.

[Tamara Judge]

She's a mope a little bit, though.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think she's a mop?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't get it.

[Tamara Judge]

So I'm just.

[Dolores Catania]

I like. I love Giselle and I love Ashley and everything, but they're. They see something or know something that we don't. Because I just feel like they are just always on her, and I feel like they are.

[Tamara Judge]

But angels.

[Dolores Catania]

She's in defense mode. She's in defense mode.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, no one's got nobody. No one is sticking up for her. However, Stacy gets the same shit. And. I mean, are we.

[Dolores Catania]

Stacy's a different human being, though, that girl. You can tell her off and she'll smile with you and try to sell you a tampon, and you'll buy it.

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You know what I mean?

[Tamara Judge]

This woman is.

[Dolores Catania]

This is a totally different. She's. I think she's AI.

[Tamara Judge]

No, you're right. That is so good.

[Dolores Catania]

She's AI.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, the woman is beautiful. Oh, my God. That's the perfection analogy.

[Dolores Catania]

Somebody made her the best analogy.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not even. It's an example. You are so on the money. You've never said anything so good right now. I'm sure you have, but this is so on point.

[Dolores Catania]

Is so like. She is just, you know, perfection. She's just like, you know, you think like Stepford Wife or something. Just like, oh, yeah, like it. She's beautiful. She's got an amazing body. She's just.

[Tamara Judge]

Everything's perfect.

[Dolores Catania]

Everything's perfect.

[Tamara Judge]

Her daughter's all perfect. She's like. Her daughter's like, no, I'm ambidextrous. I use this hat. She's like little Stacy to write. And then. And then they just laugh it off. And, I mean, it's just something else. I gotta tell you. When. What do we. I don't want to jump forward, but go for it. No, but the book party. Let's get to the book party.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Can we jump to the book party? Yeah. I mean, the binder party.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, the binder party. Monique has a sip and read for upcoming book, which is late, which is Love letters from herself from versions of myself. Love letters from versions of myself.

[Tamara Judge]

This is love. I love that she loves herself. I would love myself if I looked in the mirror and saw that, too.

[Dolores Catania]

She's another one.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't even have, like, I have all these, like, Italian brown like, all my time.

[Dolores Catania]

I get that. Yeah, I do, too.

[Tamara Judge]

My mom calls them beauty marks. I'm like, I. I don't even know if I got them lasered off or to start. She doesn't even have a dimple.

[Dolores Catania]

She's so stunning.

[Tamara Judge]

I gotta tell you, I like her. But here's Stacy and Giselle leaves the page blank. Giselle never gives Stacy not. Not an inch. She don't even give her a centimeter. And Stacy's like, I love that you did that.

[Mind Games Expert]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She had nowhere to. Giselle just looked at her like this. Like, she's like, I'll take that. And then Ashley wrote something that. Not great about her. And she's like, since we're talking now, I'll take that. You can't beat her. You cannot beat. I know.

[Dolores Catania]

She just always has the right answer.

[Tamara Judge]

It's unbelievable. But angel, it's a gift. As much as Ashley shits on angel, angel still wrote something nice about her. Even though she said she's resilient, she's disappointing. She's a strong mother. She's resilient. But she's petty. So she started aggressive. She started off with saying, she's just. It's not a bad thing to say. She's disappointed in her. She is. But then she says she's a strong mother, which is. There's. That's a huge, huge.

[Dolores Catania]

What am I not seeing an angel that other people are seeing because I feel sorry for her? Is it because she's not speaking up?

[Tamara Judge]

And then. But wait. But then Ashley writes nothing nice about her catfish not walking her truth. And she's like, then what are you coming to my house for? But you don't want to know.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what I always said? Get the fuck out. That's what I would have said.

[Tamara Judge]

There's a door. I think Ashley's getting nasty enough. At this point, I don't feel Ashley has anything to lose by getting down and dirty. She's like, why do you have to get dirty like that? She said to Giselle, why did Giselle.

[Dolores Catania]

I love her.

[Tamara Judge]

Why do you have to get dirty like that? Well, Ashley, I. I mean, well, angel, it's time to fight fire with fire, and you need to get there. And that's all I have to say. Because, I mean, the way it ended when they said they got shit on her, like, that's what makes me believe

[Dolores Catania]

that there's more to the story. Because I don't see Giselle and Ashley doing this to angel. If they. I feel like they know something and it comes out at the end of the episode that they do.

[Tamara Judge]

But what is it?

[Dolores Catania]

But what is it?

[Tamara Judge]

But you know what the problem is here? I got dirt. I got receipts. And then it comes up like, that's not a big deal.

[Dolores Catania]

Here's the problem. And I've been. I've done this to myself before. When you know something about somebody and you know that they're just not the person they say they. They are, and you bring it out and you try to make sure everybody knows, guess who's the me? The one bringing it up is the. And then the one that is a shady person and possibly a liar and cheater and all these things, everyone's like, oh, isn't she?

[Tamara Judge]

So they gain the sympathy, get the sympathy.

[Dolores Catania]

And so, you know, like, Stacy and I. For me, it's really difficult because I have this thing with just, like, you know, telling the truth or people that are lying, people that are not authentic. Like, I want to point it out. And it's very hard for me to sit back and just go, let's watch this.

[Tamara Judge]

I love to sit in front of a liar and make them think I believe them. That's my.

[Dolores Catania]

See, I need to learn that.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, really? Oh, my. Yeah. I. I grew up around bullshitters. They were like. There were bullshitters all around me. Like, people that exaggerated their lives or their money or how tough they were. And.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

What did you think of Monique's game? She turned her book. I mean, they were giving her a little bit of. Because she was talking a lot. She was a lot. I thought it was smart.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. Redemption. They didn't expect her to take that binder back.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

They didn't know. Stacy was, like, acting like, you know, God, she wrote something that was going to put somebody in jail. The way she carried on, like, don't take the book. Like, that's probably the. The most. Not emotional, but the most real human thing. I saw Stacy ever do was hold onto that book for dear life. Yeah, it was kind of funny.

[Mind Games Expert]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Jermaine Hudson]

This MSS officer has no idea the US government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.

[Mind Games Expert]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn.

[Tamara Judge]

No one had ever seen anything like that.

[Dolores Catania]

It was unbelievable.

[Mind Games Expert]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Jermaine Hudson]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Dolores Catania]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores Catania]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Tamara Judge]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Mind Games Expert]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jill Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology and natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Dolores Catania]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16. You're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are misunderstood a sun and fear. Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Dolores Catania]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just Want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life? This episode is a must. Listen Listen to to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumprite became the victim of a random cr.

[Jermaine Hudson]

He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.

[Nancy Glass]

He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.

[Jermaine Hudson]

The best lie is partial truth.

[Nancy Glass]

For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession profession changed everything.

[Jermaine Hudson]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mind Games Narrator]

What if mind control is real?

[Tamara Judge]

If you could control the behavior of

[Dolores Catania]

anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Tamara Judge]

When you look at your car, you're

[Mind Games Expert]

going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Mind Games Expert]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Amanda Knox]

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[Mind Games Expert]

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[Tamara Judge]

This is wild.

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[Dolores Catania]

I love how every time a housewife suggests a shady game, everybody acts so surprised. Like, oh my God, no. We do this all the time. We try to find shady games just to each other. Up. It's the housewife way.

[Tamara Judge]

And we're not big on games in Jersey.

[Dolores Catania]

I. I don't like games. I do not like them. And then there was. It wasn't my intention. I didn't mean for it to come off like that. Yes, you did.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, you did. But I'll tell you what I did. Like, I liked that at the end of all of this ended on a note where Ashley apologized and angel accepted it. And that was able to move on to the trip where everybody was going on? Because before that, Giselle said, if she ain't going, I ain't going. So then there we go. We blow the whole trip out of the water, right? Yeah. How do you make it a girls trip? How do you make it a cast trip if not everyone's there? And then. So they were able to bridge that gap right there. And they both accepted, even knowing that Ashley didn't mean it and angel really didn't accept it. But. But they did it for the sake of. What.

[Dolores Catania]

What do you think when k. After Wendy calls her fake, she says, my bags are real. And do you think that she was insinuating that when these bags were fake? Is that what she was doing? But didn't we hear, like, in the court that she returned, like, she wasn't her Chanel bags and stuff, like, in the.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, that's true.

[Dolores Catania]

So she must have real ones.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you could have. There could be a mixture. I'm not a bag person, so I don't really care either way, but shot Wendy up, shut her up. That's for sure. She didn't go back at her. I like. I. I have to say, I like Wendy this season a lot. I. I like. I like them all.

[Dolores Catania]

I really do. You know, we. You might hear us say things, but we're just judging on the episode. We're not judging them on a, you know, personal level like that. Yeah, I still like them. I think that every housewife is brave to show their, you know, their life.

[Tamara Judge]

You show up on camera, you're brave.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So angel tells Monique that Ashley's evicted comment was offensive. What do you take about this? Like, what's your take on it? It's always every chance they get, it's like, oh, she was evicted. Oh, she was evicted. Can you be evicted from. I guess you could. From Airbnb.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but she wasn't evicted.

[Dolores Catania]

Don't you pay? Don't you pay? When you do an Airbnb, you pay it all front.

[Tamara Judge]

Stop with this. Stop with this already.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, it's just. Enough is enough. Unless you have some real evidence. Like, I just understanding they might have some.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, so. So we'll find out next episode. Yeah. And, you know, when they. When Angel's like, Angel seems more confident in her own camp, I have to

[Dolores Catania]

say, yes, I agree with that.

[Tamara Judge]

She definitely seems to be more confident than she's ever been. But let's not look over what Monique said that she sees an Angel's marriage. She's like, what I see in Angel's marriage seems to be something that was the illusion that I tried to cover up all the time. I don't know that Angel's marriage is what she says it is behind closed doors.

[Dolores Catania]

I missed that.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't. And that is very. That was a very strong statement because I.

[Dolores Catania]

As a viewer. As a viewer, I don't see any cracks in the foundation. They seem like.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't mind. I think he's a great guy. He's always guy.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

If she's going to go by just because they had their pink pony party or whatever, that was the most stupid thing I never want to see again. Stacy jumping on the horse like this. Was she slapping the horses out like, what are you doing?

[Dolores Catania]

She should have saved that jean outfit for Colorado.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. It was a waste of a. But anyway, I never want to see that again.

[Dolores Catania]

So they finally arrived to Colorado. Most of the women are staying at a rental and not at Angel's house. So the only thing that was confusing to me is why was Angel's house an hour away from the rental?

[Tamara Judge]

Damn. Bit of sense, because maybe that's the next house or her house, or maybe

[Dolores Catania]

the rental house is close to where their adventure camp or whatever they're going to take them on. You know, maybe it's closer to that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, angel has a business. Her and her husband have a business. These little retreats, which.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think this retreat situation is closer to the rental house? Yeah, that might be the reason why.

[Tamara Judge]

And how about. How about Kiana crying because she was.

[Dolores Catania]

I had to rewind.

[Tamara Judge]

Lack of oxygen.

[Dolores Catania]

I had to rewind that.

[Tamara Judge]

She's like, oh, I don't understand. I'm not a crier. I think she. She had a drink. No, they were like, just don't drink up here because it's like three drinks to one because of the oxygen.

[Dolores Catania]

What's the altitude there? Do you know?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't even know what altitude means. I mean, like, it's really, like, not good. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because I know in Big Bear, there'll be times where if I like, we usually go every couple weeks, but if I haven't gone, like, let's just say a month, I'll get a little bit of altitude sickness. I will have to, like. You know, it usually takes on the second day. I get dizzy. I feel nauseous and got a headache. So you just know to drink a ton of water.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what she was saying.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

If you Drink water. Drink double the amount. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Which I'm not great at.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I don't want to go on a mountain. I'm good.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't want to pee all day. That's a problem. I have a small bladder.

[Tamara Judge]

Go see cold and stuff. So, yeah, I'm good.

[Dolores Catania]

Speaking of bladders, can I. Can I share something with you? You know I have bladder issues, right? I have a whole. Anything in my midsection there's always an issue with.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. So I mean, while everything starts in the gut, I mean everything like every.

[Dolores Catania]

I told you, my grandmother died of gut issues. So I am on top of it all the time.

[Tamara Judge]

So sorry to hear that.

[Dolores Catania]

There's your gut. So I get UTIs, and I know that's a part of after menopause and all that kind of stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's sometimes part of your bladder falling out of your crotch. Is that what you're going to tell me? Right.

[Dolores Catania]

So sometimes I'll go to the doctor. Like, no, no infection. I just get like chronic bladder pain. So two weeks ago I started taking these cranberry pills by Ezo and I.

[Tamara Judge]

Wonderful.

[Dolores Catania]

I have not had you take two a day. I have not had one like pain, cramp, nothing. I mean, I'm not gonna talk about this now. Well, I've tried everything. I've tried drinks, but it's just these certain. I've tried cranberry pills before. Didn't work.

[Tamara Judge]

Azo is the. Is the gold standard.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Like I've taken their little brown pills, red pills, whatever. The ones that help with the pain. Orange. Yeah. But these are just cranberry pills. I'm sure there's more into it.

[Tamara Judge]

2 Very good.

[Dolores Catania]

Telling you girls, run out and go get them.

[Tamara Judge]

Amazing. Azo. I keep them in my travel bag. God forbid you get a UTI starting up or something. Take them right away.

[Dolores Catania]

I take. I just take them every day.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't suffer. Well, I'm not good with this.

[Dolores Catania]

So they arrived to Colorado. I don't get what the big deal is about some of the girls staying at Angel's house and some of her staying at a rental. I swear, they just want another thing

[Tamara Judge]

to pick on her. Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

It's just another reason to get mad at Angel. Wendy's also trying to make a big deal about angel not flying with them.

[Tamara Judge]

Was.

[Dolores Catania]

That's kind of annoying.

[Tamara Judge]

Who gives a. She was there already, right?

[Dolores Catania]

She probably went early to set things up. It's not rocket science. It's not anything to get mad about. Don't understand that at all. So Tia and Kiana are the only ones staying at Angels.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

One hour away. We get that. And then Giselle and Ashley are sharing a room with two twin beds. And she even said, yes, I'm being a little shady. I don't blame her.

[Tamara Judge]

And that's okay. And, you know, what do you care where you sleep? Like, is you. I need to be alone.

[Dolores Catania]

You need to be alone. But if you don't have, like, the biggest room or.

[Tamara Judge]

As long as I'm alone, I don't care where I am. I slept in a trailer on one of our trips. I forget where we were. Oklahoma. During a. What was it? A tornado coming? And. And I was so happy to be in that trailer. I gathered up all the animals on the. On the property. But then Teresa came and stayed with me because she felt bad I was out there by myself. I'm good. It was nice of her. And she slept on a couch in the trailer.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Giselle's not happy that she's on a twin bed. She's sharing a room with Ashley. Oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She was like, I don't do twin beds.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't do this. And Giselle has ran over Angel 500,000 times already this episode, this season, running over her.

[Tamara Judge]

She's running over her again, saying, well, yeah, just so you know about that, I got some stuff so that this

[Dolores Catania]

is angel getting her back. And then it's like, what do you expect if you're going to constantly run her over?

[Tamara Judge]

You know what?

[Dolores Catania]

I put your ass in the basement.

[Tamara Judge]

The basement was a good one.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, the basement was a whole nother house. However, is that really getting you back so bad? You're in a twin bed with your bestie.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. You know who I miss?

[Tamara Judge]

Who?

[Dolores Catania]

Robin. When she called Ashley her bestie, I went, nope, I'm not buying that. I don't like that because. Just because Robin's not there. I love Robin.

[Tamara Judge]

Robin's like you. When somebody's calling, even if it. Like, if it kills her, she's gonna fight with them.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, when she came to the Bravo. The BravoCon twat suite and did podcasts and hung out and all that.

[Tamara Judge]

She's lovely.

[Dolores Catania]

She.

[Tamara Judge]

She.

[Dolores Catania]

I, Like, I. I even text her. I'm like, you're just lovely. Like, I just want you to know that. Or I was in trainers with her. Yeah. And I'm like, I just want to hang out with her. Like, I see why Giselle, like, has her. She's a good person. She's fun. She's smart. She's beautiful. Like, I.

[Tamara Judge]

She's really very smart. And she is. She's very. She's on the right side of things. Things I feel like she just does. And. And, yeah, she. And she's honest. Very honest.

[Mind Games Expert]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But they said she wasn't with her. Cheating with her, their whole husband with Juan and everything.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, when you're talking about husband and issues like that, it.

[Tamara Judge]

That's. It doesn't count there because you have to admit it to yourself.

[Dolores Catania]

Before you have children, you have children you got to protect.

[Tamara Judge]

But the other thing is, you want that out there, you have to. Once you admit it, you got to do something about it. Yeah. And I know that from my own marriage. Once I proved it, and I did say to him, don't make me prove it, because then I'll have to do something about it. And once I falls off, yeah, that's what I did. And, you know, once you do that, you're like, now I gotta. I have to accept it. Now. It's the truth, because it came from my mouth. It's not that she wasn't being honest or that she was lying for him. Maybe she believed him.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, listen, they're still together. The show's over for her for now. I think she'll be back. But they're still together. So they worked through it. They did what they had to do, either. I don't even know if he did it.

[Tamara Judge]

Stacy. And I wonder.

[Dolores Catania]

I want to see what she does to Stacy.

[Tamara Judge]

And you know what else, too? I wonder how she'd handle Giselle picking on Angel. Like, I don't think she'd like it.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think she'd like it.

[Tamara Judge]

How would she handle that?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. We need to get her on the pod. We need to ask her these questions.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So it ends with Giselle saying she has more information about Angel's eviction. Angel says she needs to know what's being said before they can come to her home. Now, I love Giselle.

[Tamara Judge]

That's where it ends.

[Dolores Catania]

I love Giselle, but the harder she goes in angel, the more she looks mean. And I'm sure she's getting. I don't even think Giselle cares. Giselle's such a good housewife. She don't give a. Come for me, trolls. Come for me. Come for me, twats. We're not coming for you, Giselle.

[Tamara Judge]

We love you.

[Dolores Catania]

We appreciate you. We know the hard work you put into the show. And I. I am stuck with the fact that I think there's more to this. And I think that Giselle does know more. That's why she is going harder. It just hasn't been outed yet.

[Tamara Judge]

So you're giving her the benefit of the.

[Dolores Catania]

I am. I am.

[Tamara Judge]

You could do that. We like her. So we'll do that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep. All right, guys. Guys. Well, it is great to be back. Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of 2 Tease in a Pod.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And I'm going to read a little bit of this Cheers of my mother

[Dolores Catania]

book before you have to let me know all about it.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna.

[Dolores Catania]

And then we will be back with the Valley. We are adding Valley Persian style. You guys, if you haven't tuned in. I know sometimes, you know, Bravo is always putting out new shows, new housewives. This. This is good. This is really good.

[Tamara Judge]

So good.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. I fangirled over Reza the first time I met him over a decade walking into a hotel in New York. My husband said, I've never seen you like that. And I've been in love with him ever since. And I'm so glad that he is back.

[Tamara Judge]

I love him. I love him and Adam so much.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. But thanks, guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you.

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Mind Games Expert]

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