Craig’s Chicks (Southern Charm Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Craig’s Chicks (Southern Charm Recap)

Date: January 15, 2026
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp, Tamra Judge
Guest Co-host (today's episode): Dolores

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Main Theme

This episode dives into episode seven of Southern Charm, focusing on the unfolding love triangle between Sally, Craig, and Charlie. Tamra, Dolores, and Teddi bring their signature mix of playful banter and personal insight as they give a detailed, housewives-expert recap and hot takes on relationship dynamics, friendship boundaries, and reality TV drama.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Sally’s Chicken Coop and "Guy Traps"

• Timestamp: 03:35–05:53
• The episode opens with Sally setting up a chicken coop, prompted by Craig's earlier comment about wanting chickens.
• Tamra and Dolores joke about Sally's priorities:

  "She wants Craig. Cock. That's what she wants." (Tamra, 04:00)

• They reflect on making big gestures for men’s attention, admitting they've all been there:

  “All of us are guilty…if you feel like a fool you should. And I’ve been there and I know how that feels.” (Tamra, 04:19)

2. Is Sally Immature or Just Ahead in Life?

• Timestamp: 05:02–07:21
• Dolores describes Sally as successful, hardworking, and a catch, but Tamra questions her maturity:

  “I think she has a lot of growing up to do.” (Tamra, 06:16)

• Discussion pivots to what Sally needs in a partner—Dolores advocates for a mature, stable man, not a reality TV type.

3. Craig’s Role in the Triangle: Immature or Selfish?

• Timestamp: 06:58–07:21
• Dolores suggests Craig is the immature one, describing him as a “single guy who’s a wounded bird.” (Tamra, 07:05)
• Tamra dubs Craig “in the selfish era” after his breakup.

4. Sally and Craig: What Was Really Going On?

• Timestamp: 08:22–13:52
• The hosts question whether Sally was being led on or simply seeing what she wanted to see from Craig’s signals.
• Tamra and Dolores debate if Craig made his intentions clear:

  “He did string her along a little bit. He did.” (Tamra, 06:58)

• The panel agrees there was a gray area—Sally invested emotionally with gestures like buying chickens, but Craig didn’t directly communicate romantic interest.

5. Friendship Boundaries and "Friend-Zoning"

• Timestamp: 19:00–21:36, 27:55–29:57
• The conversation shifts to Vanita, who warns Sally about Craig.
• Tamra contends Vanita’s approach was poorly executed:

  “Her presentation wasn’t great…But the intention behind it wasn’t.” (Tamra, 20:09)

• Dolores argues friends can warn but should back off eventually:

  “The group had to remind Vanita that she can’t save Sally from getting her heart broken by Craig.” (Dolores, 20:48)

• The hosts agree you can’t blame someone for not reciprocating feelings.

6. The Sleepover and The Reveals

• Timestamp: 32:49–36:07
• The men (minus Craig) crash Madison’s sleepover, spilling that Craig called Sally a “tornado” and confirming he’s now pursuing Charlie.
• Sally is visibly shocked, Charlie melts into her seat, and the real drama lands:

  “Sally actually was shocked and asked Charlie…didn’t you say you would never say yes to a date with Craig?” (Dolores, 34:45)

• The hosts analyze how Sally and Charlie handled the situation, agreeing the real friendship wasn’t strong enough for this to be a betrayal in the truest sense.

7. Bringing the Drama: What’s Next?

• Timestamp: 36:07–37:00
• Dolores urges the show needs more drama (“We need a little more excitement”), and Tamra says she’s ready to watch “tornado Sally.”
• Both are curious to see the next episode and Sally’s potential response.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On trying to win over a man:

  "We've all done it...I want to say, oh, you look so stupid. But I'm not a hypocrite...if you feel like a fool you should. And I've been there."
  — Tamra (04:19)

• On friendship and reality checks:

  "You can't blame someone for not liking you as much as you like them. You can't."
  — Dolores (08:22)

• On guys taking advantage:

  "He was doing the right thing and she wasn't doing the right thing for herself. So I'm not totally blaming him."
  — Tamra (13:15)

• On friends intervening:

  "The only reason she [Vanita] is invested is because she doesn't like Craig right now."
  — Dolores (26:51)

• On Sally’s dating choices:

  "Do not settle. Hold out, be strong, wait for the right person. It's worth it."
  — Tamra (25:17)

• On the friendship circle:

  "You can't trust a hoe!" (laughing)
  — Tamra (34:27)

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Important Segments and Timestamps

• Sally’s dedication for Craig (Chicken coop): 03:43 – 05:53
• Is Sally or Craig more immature? 05:11 – 07:21
• Vanita’s friendship warning: 19:00 – 21:36, 27:55 – 29:57
• Reactions to Craig asking Charlie out: 32:49 – 36:07
• Previewing “Tornado Sally” and the need for more drama: 36:07 – 37:00

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Tone & Language

The hosts keep a playful, sassy, and occasionally blunt tone, with candid reflections based on their own experiences. Commentary is peppered with both humor and genuine empathy, giving listeners the feeling of gossiping with close friends.

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Summary

This recap episode delivers on the drama-fueled expectations of Two Ts in a Pod fans. Tamra, Dolores, and Teddi dissect the complicated love triangle, analyzing the subtle (and not so subtle) miscommunications, emotional investments, and the pitfalls of seeking validation through romance.

The hosts raise smart points about the blurred lines between friendliness and leading someone on, as well as the fine art of being a true friend—sometimes involving tough love, sometimes requiring restraint. Expect a healthy amount of shade thrown at both the cast and each other, plenty of laughs, and a lot of honesty about relationships, reality TV, and women’s solidarity (or lack thereof).

The episode ends with eager anticipation for more fireworks—specifically, for Sally to embrace her “tornado” era and for Southern Charm to up the drama quotient in the coming weeks.

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores.

[Tamara Judge]

Good morning. How are you?

[Dolores]

I'm good. I'm tired today. I. I didn't get up until 8am which is so not like me. I'm usually up way before Eddie.

[Tamara Judge]

Not like you.

[Dolores]

And I looked at the clock and I'm like, you know how you panic? And I jump up and I'm like, oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

And I don't know why he's over at 8:00'. Clock.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So I'm like, I'm barely.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you make it to the gym or did you just stay in?

[Dolores]

No, no, I didn't make it to the gym and do anything. I'm just, like, so, like, tired right now. I don't know what it is, but here I am.

[Tamara Judge]

You made it.

[Dolores]

I made it. Just put a little makeup on, hat on, and change my clothes. And here I am not even sure I brush my teeth.

[Tamara Judge]

That's the first thing I do. Like, I'll even get a call and I'll be like, I didn't. I didn't brush my teeth yet. I have to call you back.

[Dolores]

I have to drink coffee before. Like, if I brush my teeth and have coffee and then it just doesn't. Doesn't land the same. That too same. But let's get into Southern charm now. This is episode seven.

[Tamara Judge]

I have a lot to say.

[Dolores]

You do? Okay. I can't wait to hear it. So Sally is setting up her chicken coop. No. To me, it's like Craig said something about chickens. She's like, yes, I'm gonna do this. I mean, the very next day. That's dedication. She wants these chicks.

[Tamara Judge]

She wants these chicks. All right. She wants Craig. Cock. That's what she wants.

[Dolores]

She wants. She actually wants the cock. She doesn't want the chicks. She wants.

[Tamara Judge]

She wants the daddy chicken.

[Dolores]

She wants the rooster.

[Tamara Judge]

And it starts with a C. And it's not cock and it's not Craig.

[Dolores]

And it's not happening. And it's not happening. And we'll get into that.

[Tamara Judge]

I wanted to kind of shit on her for being, like, running and getting a chicken coop and saying, oh, I just happen to want this chicken coop, but I can't because I'd be a hypocrite. Because all of us are guilty as. You know, cowtailing to a guy who says he. Like, that's a chance for you two to be together, so you run and get it or do it or something, right? We've all done it. I want to say, oh, you look so stupid. Oh, you're so. But I'm not a hypocrite and I'm not double standard. So I'm gonna say, Sally, if you feel like a fool you should. And I've been there and I know how that feels. Just so you know.

[Dolores]

I just feel like Sally's a catch. I think she's beautiful. She's got quite the career, she's hard working, she's got a great personality.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's immature.

[Dolores]

Maybe I do.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sorry. I like, I like her. I've met her. I really like her. I think she has a lot of growing up to do.

[Dolores]

Okay. I think that if Charlie wasn't in the picture, Craig would be moving in full force with Sally.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't think so.

[Dolores]

You don't think so?

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores]

Then what was the whole hot tub about?

[Tamara Judge]

Because she was there, because she showed up. Because she stayed till 4 o' clock in the morning. I'm going to take back. Let's retract that. Immature. I'm going to take back that she gives too much of her time where it's not going to amount to anything. She wastes time on the wrong things

[Dolores]

and well, I think like as she has said and we see later on, like she wants that life. She wants to be married, she wants to have children. She's feeling the pressure. And I think like when we talk to her, she needs a doctor. She does not need a reality star person. She needs a doctor. Well, the medical field.

[Tamara Judge]

Doctors aren't always great. Right? Doctors aren't. She needs a nice guy. She needs a mature guy that she can grow with because the guys she's going out with to me are like, are the guys she's going for are like young minded. Even, even the neurosurgeon that she was with engaged to cheated on her. He would, they were engaged and he cheated. Like you know what? To me that's an immature man. Yeah. So she needs somebody who's mature, who wants the same things, who really wants. Doesn't just say they want the same things. Who really wants the same things. And I think that Craig knew she liked him and he did string her along a little bit. He did.

[Dolores]

I see. I think Craig's immature. I think he's so immature in the way he acts.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he's a, he's a single guy who's a wounded bird who's been out of a relationship. And right now Craig does. Just wants to think about Craig and what's best for him. He's in the selfish era, I think.

[Dolores]

I think like there was quite the transition from Sally setting up her chicken coop to Craig asking Charlie on a date that was like, oh man. I felt, it made me feel Sad for Sally.

[Tamara Judge]

I felt sad for Sally. Yeah, I did. But I'm gonna tell you what I like that Sally did. I didn't like the way she spoke to Benita. When.

[Dolores]

At the. At the sleepover.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Now, you know, we could say, like, okay, so she gets her. You know, she gets hit over the head, the house drops on her. After. She says to Craig, you know, I like you. I just go for it. He's like, well, that's not, like, how I feel about you. Right, right. So he finally says it. He couldn't say it before then because it's like she didn't say it to him first. Right, right, right. So, okay, so now you can't be bitter. You can't blame someone. And I've always said this. You can't blame someone for not liking you as much as you like them. You can't.

[Dolores]

No, you can't. But if you're being led on by this guy and you're thinking, like, you know, he wants something, I think that she should have been cautious and suspicious because, you know, you know, he was hanging out with Charlie, and he does light up when he's around. Charlie and I. Was it a competition between the two of them? Like, let's see who can land him.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not a real friend.

[Dolores]

It's not a real friend at all.

[Tamara Judge]

But

[Dolores]

I. I don't know. I just. I felt sorry for her. I felt bad. Like, here.

[Tamara Judge]

I kind of did, too.

[Dolores]

Buying chickens, that's a commitment, man. They got chickens.

[Tamara Judge]

Chickens don't get put to the wayside. You know, a lot of times people buy pets because they're in love, and then they get this boutique pet, and the shelters are filled with them in LA or all over, like relationships. Sometimes they fight over the pet, which is a heartbreak. You know, you have to break up and the pet goes to one or the other. That's gotta suck. But at least somebody wants it. The fact that people get pets for the wrong reasons, it just. You know how I feel about this shit. You know? I feel. I know. So I want to see those chickens now, Sally.

[Dolores]

Well, I want to say I gotta go scroll her Instagram account and see if she's got any pictures of the chickens. Why did I haven't given you an update on rugby? So he's got to have surgery. So it's not uncommon for pit bulls. Our last one had the same surgery before we got him. And there's something with their ligaments. So it's his actual knee. I guess it would be called, like, at the joint. It's. The ligaments are pulled. So they. He has to have surgery.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it acl they call it?

[Dolores]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Get ready. But get ready to. That's about $7,000. And get ready to sleep on the floor with him for three weeks because he can. That surgery could go out the window if you don't keep him restrained. And Rugby's very old.

[Dolores]

They have him on Prozac.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, they're gonna need it because I slept on the floor with Lolly for three weeks. They could stay in a small area. They cannot jump. They cannot run. They cannot. You got your work cut out for you. That is a big thing, and it is.

[Dolores]

No. Eddie does.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Eddie does. And it's very easily ruined if you don't follow protocol. And I'm not kidding.

[Dolores]

So he. Eddie took him to the vet. They kept him for a while, did all these tests. Now the surgeon's supposed to call, and the next, I'm coming down the stairs, and Rugby's laying in the living room. His eyes are wide open, but he's not moving. I'm like, oh, my God, he's dead. And I'm like. And I'm. Rugby.

[Tamara Judge]

Rugby.

[Dolores]

Rugby would not even budge. And then all of a sudden, he jumps up, like, startled, And I'm like, eddie, what is wrong with him? He goes, he's drugged. He's on pain medication. And they put him on Prozac so he doesn't run around because he loves to run around. And he's running around with his leg

[Tamara Judge]

in the air because you can't put it down. It's like an elastic band.

[Dolores]

Right, right, right.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I know. I've been there, done that, been through a few of these. I have pit. I've always had pit bulls. Yeah, it's a. Definitely a commitment. Just like the chickens. But how about the dog laying on its back when they walked into the chicken store? That was my whole favorite part of the whole scene.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But, you know, my heart sank for her. And here's the thing about Craig. He then goes out to eat with his friends, and he kind of, like, shits on her a little bit.

[Dolores]

He does on her. But I feel like the guys over exaggerate later on, and I'm like, wait a minute. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they repeated what he said. I don't know. I don't think they were really over exaggerating.

[Dolores]

You don't think so? So I'm like, was that really what he said? Like, they're making it out like, you know, she was some stalker or something. And I'm like, wait a minute. What?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Dude,

[Tamara Judge]

she was at your house. You could have very enough times told her, no hot tub tonight, hon. I got a date. Or like, if I thought. If I was Craig and I thought this girl was into me and she's vulnerable because she's out of a relationship. She was supposed to get married, she's looking for a boyfriend. I would be cognizant of saying like, I would be more like compassionate and say, oh, I got a girl coming over tonight. And I would start to talk about a girl that I like, not her friend Charlie. And I would like, if I was him, I would have made up something that he was not interested in her before it got to that point, hitting

[Dolores]

on her and stop. Like, I don't know, maybe. Maybe she took it wrong. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll give him credit for this. He didn't bang her.

[Dolores]

And that we know of. Maybe he did. Maybe we find out the reunion he did.

[Tamara Judge]

You think she would have said it? Well, if he did that, that's really wrong.

[Dolores]

That's what I'm. That's what I'm thinking in my head. I don't think he went down at the hot tub.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, I can't imagine how it couldn't. But again, that's on her too. That's on her too. Both of them. He was doing the right thing and she wasn't doing the right thing for herself. So I'm not totally blaming him for everything. Sorry. He's a straight, single, wounded guy and here's this hot piece of ass sitting in the hot tub who likes him. And you know, what can I say? Yeah, she goes and buys a chicken coop because he said he's going to go buy a chicken. Like, come on, Craig, you know she likes you.

[Dolores]

Stop.

[Tamara Judge]

But anyway, we can't blame him for not doing the right thing because she should have. You know, at this point in your life, Sally, you're going to have to see through things. You're. You're too smart and you're too old for this.

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[Dolores]

We see Leva. Is this the first time we've seen Leva this season? So she meets with Venita and Rod and Molly and Venita brings up the conversation with Sally.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not the first time.

[Dolores]

It's not the first time. I feel like I can't remember seeing Leva.

[Tamara Judge]

She wasn't on the beach. She wasn't at the party.

[Dolores]

Maybe. Maybe didn't talk much. But Vanita brings up her conversation with Sally and tells him that she is hurt. They remind Vanita that she can't save Sally from getting her heart broken to Craig. I think that Venita's too invested in what Sally's doing. I think that the only reason she is is because Vanita and Craig are not really, you know, they're not speaking and they don't like each other. What I want to see is she's not wrong though. But we're how many episodes in why haven't we seen Vanita and Craig sit down and talk?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know what Vanita could have done because he did invite her to his house. They are on speaking terms. Vanita. What I would have liked to had seen was pull him to the side at his party and say, do me a favor, my friend likes you. Can you cut Her a break.

[Dolores]

Don't know. Exactly. And that's what a good friend when it did. But instead, Vanita is kind of like throwing it in Sally's face. Like, don't come to me when he friend zoned you. Don't do that. I don't want to hear about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Her presentation wasn't great.

[Dolores]

Horrible.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. It was horrible.

[Dolores]

Horrible.

[Tamara Judge]

But the intention behind it wasn't. She wanted, like, she was trying to like, shake her and say, when you really care about somebody, sometimes you get overly emotional, trying to shove something down their throat. Right. And that pissed. That could piss you off. But at my age, I have to say, and like, I'm at a point where I look at the intention behind what somebody's doing, even if it's annoying to me, even if I don't like it. And you have to also consider the fact that she's not wrong. She's not wrong.

[Dolores]

She's not wrong. But the group had to remind Vanita that she can't save Sally from getting her heart broken by Craig. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Like, there's got to be a time where, like, just give it a rest. Give it a rest.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Like, okay, go ahead. You know, go ahead. And I think she did finally get to that point, but not before, like a second later, Sally, like, Sally gets on. Yeah. That's okay, though.

[Dolores]

Well, Sally and Craig shopping for chickens.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

I'm like, oh, my God. And then Sally's like, I'm catching feelings for you.

[Tamara Judge]

We've all warned our friends the same way Vanita has. I have to say we have.

[Dolores]

But I feel like Vanita won't stop. Like, enough is enough.

[Tamara Judge]

I get it. I actually do get it.

[Dolores]

So do you think that Sally. Craig was leading Sally on?

[Tamara Judge]

I think that he's. He should be mature enough to know that someone who's falling for him and she's in a vulnerable spot. He should have kind of like diverted her in some way. Like I'm saying, like, he should talk about somebody else he likes. He should have even talked to her about the fact that he likes Charlie more.

[Dolores]

Well, that's the thing. This whole conversation, like, Craig immediately tells Sally that he does not see it like that. And so I think Sally kind of shut down at that point. She didn't. She could have said more. She could have been like, well, wait a minute, like, we're in the hot tub till 4 in the morning, you're texting me, we're hanging out.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I saw the text yeah, it wasn't like he's like, you could have stayed. He didn't say I wanted you to stay. You could have stayed if you wanted.

[Dolores]

He's saying it. If he's saying you could have stayed, he's basically saying he wanted her to stay. He didn't have to text that. If he didn't think about her staying, staying the night, he wouldn't have said that. So she would have stayed the night.

[Tamara Judge]

He didn't ask her to. He didn't ask her to, but he wanted her to. He would have asked her to just like if he wanted to go on a date with her, he would have asked her just like he asked Charlie.

[Dolores]

But it's leading her on. It's making her think like, you know what, there is a possibility that you could have stayed with me.

[Tamara Judge]

She saw what she wanted to see. I don't see anything significant in those text messages. She saw what she wants. She read what she wanted to read. She saw what she wanted to see.

[Dolores]

What if you, what if you heard they were making out in the hot tub?

[Tamara Judge]

Would you think, still don't mean huh?

[Dolores]

Would you think differently? Like he was definitely into her and then, and then Charlie came around.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, because he didn't ask her on a date. Yeah, he didn't ask her for anything. But when he was bored and he had, she was just a girl on a shelf. When he wanted somebody to sit with him, he wanted company in the hot tub and have someone googly eyed him and make him feel good about himself, she was there and she allowed herself to be that person.

[Dolores]

And he would 100% hooked up with her. If she stayed the night, he would have hooked up with her.

[Tamara Judge]

She was there till 4 o' clock in the morning.

[Dolores]

I don't know. Later, I don't know what was happening till 4 o' clock in the morning. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know what, I think she would have said it. She would have said it and that would have been her time to say it in front of Charlie. She should have said, yeah, well then he shouldn't have banged me in the hot tub. He shouldn't have made out with me in the hot tub. Well, so I don't think that happened because homegirl ain't talking and I would have been the first one to throw that interface. Well, I'm not crazy because this happened. I'm not impressed with sitting in somebody's hot tub till 4 o' clock in the morning and being sent home because no guy, whether he likes you or not should make you drive home at 4 o' clock in the morning. Like, listen, it's totally platonic, but I don't want you driving the drunk drivers at night. We've probably been drinking a little. Don't leave right now. Stay. You have your own space. The house is big enough and that's it.

[Dolores]

What do you think Paige is thinking? You think she's watching this going?

[Tamara Judge]

Paige is not watching. Paige does not care. Paige is in her love bubble.

[Dolores]

Well, then we get to see Madison's little baby via ultrasound. That was so cute.

[Tamara Judge]

Pretty like her.

[Dolores]

So Sally looks at Madison like an older sister, she said, and seeing Madison's life gives her hope. You know, she's really open and says, you know, this is a life I want. Like, I feel for her because I feel like Sally's going to make bad decisions when you are so caught up in. This is a life I want and I'm ready to settle down, but the guy's not in front of me yet. She is going to pick people that are not good for her.

[Tamara Judge]

Guys do not. Ladies and Matt, men and women listening to this. Do not settle. Do not settle. Hold out, be strong, wait for the right person. It's worth it. She's 30 years old. She has time.

[Dolores]

She has a lot of time. Yeah, but I think that she wants it so bad. She's got her career set, she's on a reality show, all the things. She's making good money.

[Tamara Judge]

That's only your opinion. That's only your opinion. You think that Craig's not good for her. Craig may be good. How do you know what's good for her opinion?

[Dolores]

Yeah, but I, I don't know. I just feel like sometimes when you want it so bad, it's. You're going to pick the wrong people. Like, just let it. You got to let it happen.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay? But that's why Vanita was so strong in what she was trying to do for her. It takes someone to give a shit to. Yeah, say, don't do that. See, this is where I'm going. Back to summer house with Sierra. This is what I'm going to do. Because she's like a daughter to me. And I get all worked up about this when Jesse, who we know is a fuck boy and a playboy and not ready to settle down in any sense of the word. Okay. They were kind of encouraging them to hook up. And I got mad. And I got mad because real friends would say, sierra, get over. Like, I, I've always been that girl. Like, get your ass over here. Yeah, that guy's no good.

[Dolores]

No good for you.

[Tamara Judge]

But if the person fights back on me, then I'll say, fine, I'll pick you up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, that's what.

[Dolores]

That's what we're. I'm saying there's only so much Vanita can say, and I do feel like it's coming from a place of hate because she doesn't like Craig right now. If she was on better. Better terms with Craig and they were friendly like they've been in the past, is she gonna still say this to Sal?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I believe so.

[Dolores]

Yes. I don't think so.

[Tamara Judge]

Benita's a good friend.

[Dolores]

From her hate.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but she's not wrong.

[Dolores]

Did I hear that Vanita's dating Carl from Summerhouse?

[Tamara Judge]

I think I saw that somewhere.

[Dolores]

I saw it on social media.

[Tamara Judge]

I like Carl. They went on a date. They were on a date. I like Carl, though. I think he's a kind person.

[Dolores]

I do, too, but we haven't. I saw something on social media about it, and then it just kind of died down. So. I don't know. I figured it was just a lie, you know. You know, this world is.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I'll have to get to the bottom of that.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Anyway, I hope, but. But like a real friend. Listen, I think Vanita had to make her point. She made her point and. And then back off. Make your point.

[Dolores]

That's what.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm strong. Don't. Just do it a little bit.

[Dolores]

But she.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, she.

[Dolores]

Even later down the road, like at the sleepover. Okay, so we're at Madison sleepover. Sally talks about what happened with Craig, and Vanita asked why Sally didn't call her. Sally. I mean, Vanita told Sally.

[Tamara Judge]

That's true.

[Dolores]

Don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't call me. Don't come to me when this happens. So. You know what, though? Sally probably should have called her and said, I know you're telling me I shouldn't have called you, but you deserve to know this. Yeah, but you know what? I'm still not against Craig for saying I don't see it like this. I'm still not against Craig for saying I don't. He owed her nothing. He never told her he liked her. What is wrong with what he did?

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, I don't think anything. And I think Sally took it very well. I think Sally was like, okay, yeah, we can be friends. We can be friends. And she just figured she was going

[Tamara Judge]

to go shove the. These chickens up my.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, she. She's like, yeah, we can just be friends. And then later on, we'll see where, you know, Craig gives me the official ick by going and hanging out with everybody and telling them, the boys, that, you know, all the stuff he said about her.

[Tamara Judge]

You are so right. It was so.

[Dolores]

It was so nasty. Sally didn't go like, well, you led me on. And why? Like, she didn't throw a fish. She's like, okay, yeah, we can be friends. And then Venita at the sleepover is like, I told your ass you're gonna get friendzoned by Craig.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, Benina. You could have led up there, like, you could have said, listen, she was a good friend.

[Dolores]

She would have went over to her and said, listen, this is what I was trying to protect you from. This. She didn't have to throw it in her face.

[Tamara Judge]

You know why? She really didn't. She really didn't. And I agree with you on that. See, if we're being real friends now, let's talk about real friends. She should have said, listen, Sally, I'm sorry for the way I spoke to you. I'm sorry for the way I tried to handle this. Right. But this is what I was trying to warn you about. Fine. Fine. And then Sally should have said, well, thank you. And I, like, that's what adults do. That's how adults handle things. There has to be accountability on both sides and meet in the middle. Yeah, that's really the truth.

[Dolores]

Then again, they're on a reality show. They're looking for that wow moment.

[Tamara Judge]

Those comments, I would've liked to see that. But the wow moment comes because now we're at this cute little sleepover and the boys show up to bring in the dirt, and they can show up anytime if they got dirt for me. So. Because I like that. So they come, they sit down, and they are drunk. They are slurring their words, and they

[Dolores]

are, wait, remind me why Craig dipped. He didn't want to go.

[Tamara Judge]

Craig. Craig dips. Because Austin was talking about Sally and he wouldn't let him, like, say stuff about Sally. Like, Austin was like, she's not that bad. She's nice. What are you doing? And kind of like telling him, like, disagreeing with how he handled her. So he got pissed off and left. Which is.

[Dolores]

That's right. Because he was saying, like, we've only hung. I've only hung out with Sally to get closer to Charlie. Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, he did that. And that's not nice. Yeah.

[Dolores]

And then Craig calling Sally a tornado. That part I don't understand. Because Sally had every right. Or she had. She could have very easily while buying chickens, saying, you're a piece of. You led me on. I fell for it. I'm stupid, you know? And now you're acting like, I don't. I don't see that. I mean, he wasn't the nicest about it. And she's just like, okay, thank you. I'm like, that's not a tornado to me. A tornado would have ripped your apart.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, Right. So then he goes and Was she talking him at the. At the sleepover before they came out?

[Dolores]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

So the whole time, Charlie's sitting there, and I'm like, holy, I would be dying if I was her. Like, she's got to open her mouth, which she should have done the minute he asked her out and said she was going, but she's not. She's sitting there, and I'm, like, sweating bullets for her. I'm like, holy, that must be the worst feeling right now. Like, you. Like. And then when these guys walk in and they start talking about Craig and she's like, you know, huh.

[Dolores]

Well, Vanita overreacts. I think she's like. Gets all, like, pissy and decides she's gonna leave. I'm like, what are you leaving for? I mean, Sally wasn't, like, nasty to her. Sally tells. Well, she doesn't need it, that she had no reason to be mad.

[Tamara Judge]

She was nasty. I think Sally was nasty.

[Dolores]

You think so? Like, in what way?

[Tamara Judge]

I think she was just, like. She was kind of nasty to her, but she's over her. She doesn't really want to be her friend anymore because she says in her confessional, I'm over Vanita. Like, she kind of got nasty with Vanita. She did, huh? I felt like she did.

[Dolores]

The guys come, minus Craig. They crash the sleepover. Sally asks why Craig is not with them, tell Sally that Craig called her a tornado. And then Sally's like, what the? More like, seriously. And she. She's. She's upset. Vanita's gone. Rod spills that Charlie is going on a date with Craig.

[Tamara Judge]

Everybody's face. You should have seen my face. I was like, I know.

[Dolores]

I mean, Sally was in, like, a state of shock. And. And Charlie's.

[Tamara Judge]

Charlie's like, shit. Like, I want to run out behind Vanita right now.

[Dolores]

She was trying to melt into the ground. She's like, o my God, this is happening. And even her own mom, Charlie's mom was like, you know, does Sally know? Like, do your friends know you're going to be doing this? Is this a date?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sure Sally has An opinion on it, the mom says. But the mom went just as far as to say, well, you're an individual and you do what you want. And her friend, her sister said the same thing to her. Now, I wouldn't have got the same response from my family. I just, I just want to say I'm curious what my. I'm going to ask my sisters what they would say to me in this. Like, my dad was always like, I didn't teach you to be a friend when it's easy to be a friend. That's what I constantly heard from my father. So I wound up in a lot of times being in my life being a better friend to people than I should have been. But most friends I have since kindergarten, they deserve everything I have. Not everybody deserves everything you have. And quite frankly, Charlie and Sally aren't that close.

[Dolores]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[Tamara Judge]

They kind of met. They were just being too kind of like hoes. And they were like, hey, let's bond over being hoes and you can't trust a hoe. So neither one of them could trust each other. And I think Sally would have probably did the same thing to her.

[Dolores]

But, well, Sally was shocked.

[Tamara Judge]

She even over cracked Craig.

[Dolores]

I know crack. Sally actually was shocked and asked Charlie, like you told me like a few weeks ago, didn't you, that you would never say yes to a date with Craig.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So that doesn't mean she wouldn't say yes. Sorry.

[Dolores]

Yeah, sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm having a hot flash at this moment.

[Dolores]

You're having a hot flash? You can take your clothes off right now. Oh my God, she's taking her clothes off right now. This is cracking me up. Now Sally threatens at the end, Craig will get a tornado now. So now Sally is activated and I to see activated Sally, because I want to know what else happened in that hot tub that made her think that Craig was into her.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, damn her. Ask her.

[Dolores]

I couldn't do that.

[Tamara Judge]

Say, Sally, right now you look a little bit like an. So did he make out with you in the hot tub or you just thought he liked you when he wasn't touching you at 4 o' clock in the morning?

[Dolores]

I want to know. I want to ask her.

[Tamara Judge]

She'll tell you.

[Dolores]

Well, this I'm going to tell you right now. This show needs to get a little bit more exciting.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it was exciting when Charlie had to sit there and that was all happening. Yeah, it got exciting to me.

[Dolores]

They need a little bit more than it's, it's lagging a little bit this season. They need a little bit more than this love triangle. Let's see Vanita and Craig go at it. There's so much guy stuff on this.

[Tamara Judge]

Benito and Craig should have had a conversation before all this. I'm sorry, time ago.

[Dolores]

What are we waiting for?

[Tamara Judge]

When the fact that Vanita wasn't. Wasn't kind of like getting through to her friend, she should have said, okay, let me go to him then and say, don't, my friend, because then you'll see a tornado.

[Dolores]

But anyway, I would have loved Vanita's anger to be towards Craig and say exactly that. Stay the away from my friend. You know, you don't like her, you're just gonna hurt her.

[Tamara Judge]

She's vulnerable.

[Dolores]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, don't. Don't make me have to get involved.

[Dolores]

But now I'm curious to see where this does go with Charlie.

[Tamara Judge]

Like Sally said, she he's going to get a tornado. Now I'm a little bit scared. A scorned woman, hell have no fury.

[Dolores]

I know, but I want to see this. I'm here for this. This is what we need. I feel like it's been a lagging a little bit. We need a little bit more excitement.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, bring the tornado Sally. Let's see what you got.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Pretty. You're so pretty. Go for a mature guy. Unless you just want to have fun

[Dolores]

in the hot tub and not somebody on reality tv.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's kind of hard. She's on the show.

[Dolores]

Anybody on reality TV that you're like, yeah, I date him.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what? Put all your broken heartedness in the chickens and the dogs. They will soothe your little pain, your little broken heart.

[Dolores]

You didn't answer my question.

[Tamara Judge]

What?

[Dolores]

Is there any guy on reality TV that you're like, yeah, I want to bang that?

[Tamara Judge]

Not one. Not one.

[Dolores]

Trying to think.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, they can't afford me.

[Dolores]

They can't afford you. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. And we'll see you next week with Southern Charm and Tornado Sally.

[Tamara Judge]

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