Diamonds in the Rough

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Diamonds in the Rough" – Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Introduction to "Diamonds in the Rough" In the premiere episode of their new series, Diamonds in the Rough, hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive deep into the complexities of personal relationships, co-parenting, and navigating life’s tumultuous changes. Released on December 5, 2024, this episode sets the tone for the series by blending candid conversations with relatable anecdotes.

Co-Parenting Challenges: Lala Kent and Randall Emmett’s Story The episode opens with a discussion of a recent Us Weekly article featuring Lala Kent and Randall Emmett. Teddi highlights the challenges and triumphs of their co-parenting arrangement:

Teddi Mellencamp [07:47]: “Lala and Randall have found common ground in caring for their daughter Ocean, emphasizing that their discussions, while productive, aren’t always perfect.”

Tamra echoes this sentiment, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing the child’s well-being amidst parental differences.

Celebrity Relationships: Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck’s Thanksgiving Reunion Transitioning to another headline, Teddi and Tamra discuss Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck's amicable Thanksgiving reunion. They reflect on the emotional difficulty of spending holidays apart from ex-partners, sharing personal insights:

Tamra Judge [10:15]: “Spending the first Thanksgiving apart from Edwin was tough. It’s challenging because you’re used to what you know, and there’s still so much emotion involved.”

Teddi adds her perspective on maintaining family connections while setting necessary boundaries.

Personal Reflections: Teddi and Tamra’s Separation The heart of the episode delves into Teddi and Tamra’s own experiences with separation and co-parenting. They candidly discuss the emotional toll, legal intricacies, and the impact on their children:

Tamra Judge [12:16]: “Navigating separation while ensuring our kids feel loved is paramount. It’s been a journey of setting boundaries and managing overwhelming emotions.”

Teddi Mellencamp [14:27]: “I can’t recommend enough doing therapy. It’s been essential in helping me navigate through these rough times.”

Setting Boundaries and Emotional Health A significant portion of the conversation centers on the importance of setting personal boundaries to maintain emotional health during and after a separation. Tamra offers valuable advice on managing emotions without letting them disrupt daily responsibilities:

Tamra Judge [14:47]: “You have to laugh through the pain because it's the only thing you have. It’s not healthy, but it’s necessary to keep moving forward.”

Teddi Mellencamp [16:12]: “Maintaining boundaries has been crucial. It allows us to focus on what’s best for our children without getting lost in the turmoil.”

Public Perception and Media Representation Teddi and Tamra explore how being public figures complicates personal relationships and separations. They address misinformation and the pressures of public scrutiny:

Tamra Judge [18:26]: “There’s a lot of misinformation out there. People make things up, and it creates unnecessary turmoil. Edwin and I focus on what's best for our kids, not the rumors.”

Teddi Mellencamp [19:05]: “Being in the public eye means people have opinions, but we have to stay true to our experiences and not let external voices dictate our emotions.”

Parenting and Children’s Awareness The duo discusses the intelligence and awareness of their children regarding their parents' separation. They emphasize the importance of open communication and providing a stable environment:

Teddi Mellencamp [37:56]: “Our kids are conversational and aware. They have their questions, and we strive to answer them honestly without burdening them with adult issues.”

Tamra Judge [45:11]: “Kids are very smart. As long as you show them love and support, they navigate these changes better.”

Personal Growth and Therapy Both Teddi and Tamra highlight the role of therapy in their personal growth and coping mechanisms during separation:

Teddi Mellencamp [19:18]: “I started going to therapy after my melanoma diagnosis. It’s helped me process a lot of emotions and navigate these changes.”

Tamra Judge [19:35]: “Therapy has been instrumental. It’s provided a safe space to express feelings and develop strategies to handle the chaos.”

Advice for Listeners: Coping with Divorce and Co-Parenting Drawing from their experiences, Teddi and Tamra offer heartfelt advice to listeners grappling with similar situations:

Tamra Judge [40:40]: “No one is a failure. These things happen in life. It’s okay to feel knocked down, but you have to keep moving forward.”

Teddi Mellencamp [42:21]: “Show your kids love and give yourselves grace. It’s a messy process, but maintaining respect and boundaries is key.”

Conclusion and Looking Ahead As the episode wraps up, Teddi and Tamra reaffirm their commitment to supporting each other and their listeners through candid, authentic conversations. They hint at future topics, promising more deep dives into personal stories and shared experiences.

Teddi Mellencamp [67:01]: “I’m excited that we can sit here and talk about anything. It makes it effortless to share and support each other.”

Tamra Judge [68:08]: “Thank you for tuning in. We’re glad we can do this together and look forward to bringing more meaningful conversations.”

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Teddi Mellencamp [07:47]: “Lala and Randall have found common ground in caring for their daughter Ocean.”
• Tamra Judge [10:15]: “Spending the first Thanksgiving apart from Edwin was tough.”
• Tamra Judge [14:47]: “You have to laugh through the pain because it's the only thing you have.”
• Tamra Judge [18:26]: “There’s a lot of misinformation out there.”
• Tamra Judge [40:40]: “No one is a failure. These things happen in life.”

Final Thoughts "Diamonds in the Rough" serves as a raw and honest exploration of personal struggles, especially within the context of separation and co-parenting. Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge create a safe space for listeners to find solace and guidance, fostering a sense of community and understanding. This episode promises a blend of heartfelt discussions and practical advice, making it a must-listen for anyone navigating similar life challenges.

Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi guys. Welcome to it's kind of exciting not to say another episode of because we're.

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Launching a new podcast.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

A new podcast. It's still under the two T's in a Pod umbrella, but we are launching.

[Navy Federal]

Diamonds in the Rough, which I think is wonderful because we met as Diamonds and we both had some we're going through some rough times.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We've gone through some rough times. We've gone through some rough times together.

[Navy Federal]

We've gone through some rough times of and it continues.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think that we have A. We're pretty lucky in the way that we have a dynamic where we can discuss things without trying to one up each other.

[Navy Federal]

Agreed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think that's very rare in the world that we come from. That we come from. Like, I. Every time I sit down and have a conversation with you, it's like, no, we're just.

[Navy Federal]

We're just friends chatting. And we like to laugh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And we like to laugh and we like to dig in, and we like to talk about shit that's. Some of us say important shit.

[Navy Federal]

I say important shit. You say too much. What was it, dumb shit? Dumb shit or stupid shit? But yeah, I think that, you know what? I think that anybody that's listening is going to enjoy our back and forth, and we're going to talk about some topics that are, you know, important to us and others.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And so we appreciate you guys listening.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah, we appreciate.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thanks so much for being such an advocate for having Erica continue on after recapping OC because this is giving me a little bit of life right now. So I appreciate it.

[Navy Federal]

Aw. I'm happy to be here for you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But so many of you guys, as you listen to our recaps of Orange county, we're like, hold on. We want more Erica and Teddi. We want more discussions. We want to hear your thoughts on.

[Navy Federal]

A lot of things, actually.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

A lot of things. Not just housewives.

[Navy Federal]

No, not just housewives. And I think housewives, you know, we'll pay. Probably a very small part of what we're doing here. It is how we met, and it is important foundation. But I think that our friendship, our conversation and life topics are, you know, interesting to not only ourselves, but others as well.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And there's no one that likes to go down a rabbit hole more than me and Erica.

[Navy Federal]

That is true. I mean, God help us. All right, well, should we get into it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's get into it.

[Navy Federal]

I'm so excited. This is, like our first thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know this is our first. So first we're to start with a couple headlines about others, but we're going to talk about, like, a certain topic. So you're going to see. Each and every episode will lean into one specific area. And this episode, whether I like it or not, I guess we're leaning into you. We're leaning into me.

[Navy Federal]

We're going to lean into you, and I'm going to ask you some questions that may be hard and for. For you to even just think about, because what you're going through is. It's earth shattering. You know, it's tough it's really tough and I'm sorry.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you. This first one, before we get into me, is an Us Weekly article. Lala Kent says she and Randall Emmett have productive conversations while co parenting daughter Ocean. Lala Kent has spoken about co parenting daughter Ocean with former fiance Randall Emmett on an episode of Watch what Happens Live with Andy. Lala said she and Randall common ground and caring for the four year old. We have come to a place where it's like we have one thing in common and that is this child and what is best for her. And you have productive conversations. It's not always golden. I think that's.

[Navy Federal]

That's a very honest statement, I think. And look, it is about Ocean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It is about Ocean.

[Navy Federal]

It's about Ocean and how they can come together and do what's right for Ocean. Ultimately. And anytime there's a divorce and children are involved, it should be about the kids.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And especially now that she has another baby.

[Navy Federal]

And, like, who's really cute, by the way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So cute. And I didn't guess the name correctly when she told me it was an S name. So I'm a little annoyed at myself.

[Navy Federal]

Well, she explained it to me, right? Why she named the baby Sosa. And it was really sweet. I like lala very much.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love Lala.

[Navy Federal]

I think she's a really smart young woman. She's scrappy as fuck. Yeah, she's scrappy. She's been through it, too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's been through it. She. And she's shown us a lot.

[Navy Federal]

She has. She's g. She gave a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She gave a lot.

[Navy Federal]

And she has a lot more to give. You're not going to. That's not the end.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think this is the end of life.

[Navy Federal]

No, no, not at all. Not at all.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But she says it's been a fun ride. You know, I'll take you on a roller coaster. One day we're good and the next day he pisses me off. It's all good. We always come back to Ocean and.

[Navy Federal]

Her well being, which is where you want to be.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Where you want to be. You want to take the next one?

[Navy Federal]

Sure. Okay. So Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck and how they feel about their Thanksgiving reunion. I guess they celebrated Thanksgiving as a family and they felt like, really good about it. They are loving each other and having a great time. And Ben says he felt blessed to spend the holiday with his ex and three children because he can just be himself. And I'm sure that's probably true. Yeah, I think that, you know, how was your Thanksgiving. Fuck. I mean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, it was the first Thanksgiving in 15 years.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That it wasn't spent with Edwin.

[Navy Federal]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And that was tough. I mean, it's. It's challenging. Only, you know, not only because you're used to what you know, and there's still so much. Regardless of what. Where your relationship goes, you still have so much love for that person.

[Navy Federal]

Yes. And history and memories. You have children. It's not just like, whoops, well, we're doing something different.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And you also know that it's hard on the other person. Of course, so. And it's also hard on your kids.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And so I think the combination of it. But, I mean, I got home and immediately my family wanted to, like, talk to me about every single detail. And I. Night one, we're sitting by the fireplace and they're all asking me a million questions. And I was like, pump the brakes, everyone. I came here for some love.

[Navy Federal]

To disconnect. Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And to have some fun and to connect with my family and not be in the, like, midst of explaining or what's happening. Yeah. And if you can't do that, then I'll just go back to la.

[Navy Federal]

Wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And, you know, my dad's as good at giving hugs as I am, so, like, oh, Lord. You know, he's like, I got you.

[Navy Federal]

You know what? Listen, John, at least he tried, you know, like, he's sweet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He saw my face. Like, I was like, I'm not fucking around here.

[Navy Federal]

This is, you know, I'm at my limit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm at my limit. And you do your best to, you know, as you've said, to show up and show out and, like, do the best that you can for yourself and your family and. But at some point, you have to put your boundaries up.

[Navy Federal]

You have to. Or it becomes. See, you're in this place where everything is overwhelming and you're like a bunch of raw nerves. And when you're like that, you know, your emotions take over and it's tough. And you're gonna feel that way for quite a while.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So, I mean, that part, along with everything that's been in the public eye, and we talked about this a little bit before we started recording this episode, because I was kind of, I guess, trying to justify why I haven't gone into more detail about everything. You know, like, I was going. I think I was going to say something along the lines of I'm not paid to talk about myself. I'm paid to talk about other people. And that's why I signed up to do this podcast. And I'm no longer on a reality television show.

[Navy Federal]

Can't say that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then, Erica, let me have it.

[Navy Federal]

I let you have it because you are a host of a podcast in which you're talking about your life. We're here together. People want to know. You are a public person, whether you like it or not. And you were born a public person. You really, I mean, just, you were born into this. And so, and also, too, I don't think now is the time for you to up run and turn tail. Obviously, there are limits to questions and you don't have to answer them. And you, you know, you can't. But also too, like, you know, you're a human being, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

And you're allowed to feel your feelings and you're also allowed to tell your story as best you can. And you're, you know, no one, no one needs to jump down your throat about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think especially when small children are involved, even when I am breaking into the headline. We just heard how I spoke about Lala and Ocean. Like, I'm going to cover a story that's being talked about that she shared.

[Navy Federal]

On, but it also relates to you as well.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but I'm also not going to give it to her or Randall.

[Navy Federal]

No.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because it's not necessary.

[Navy Federal]

It's not necessary. And how could you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's really not necessary. I think that there also is that point. And maybe you can help me with this. Where you want to. You want to be perfect or you want to, but you can't.

[Navy Federal]

That is something that is not attainable. And if you continuously hold yourself to that standard, you're gonna disappoint yourself every day. This is going to be a rough ride. And some days you're gonna be better than others. And sometimes you're gonna have it together. And sometimes you're gonna want to cuss everybody out online. I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How would you know? I've never. I mean. Oh, God.

[Navy Federal]

Jesus. I mean, and then there are days that you're gonna be fine and it's just you're allowed to go through all of that and you're still allowed to work and do your job and comment and host and be yourself and be on red carpets. I mean, you don't have to quit your life just because you're going through something like this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think that something else like that. I know, I do. I know you do, but is sometimes being in on the joke.

[Navy Federal]

Well, yeah, you can laugh at yourself.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You have to laugh at yourself. If not, I would be just crying 24 7.

[Navy Federal]

You have to laugh through the pain because it's the only thing you have. Yeah, I mean, I remember, like, making a joke of just, like, absolutely being so low and having nothing and just being like, well, of course. I mean, you have to laugh at this shit, otherwise you will get taken down into a hole. It's just. It's not healthy. Well, first off, none of this is healthy, but that certainly isn't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

None of this is healthy. But I have realized the more that the little bits that I have shared, the amount of people, and I'm sure the same with you, that have been like, this similar situation.

[Navy Federal]

There's a lot. Listen, my DMs. If I were to ever show you the amount of direct messages I got from women that said, not only do I understand, but this is my story, there were a lot more than you would expect. A lot more.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And how do you approach. Because you're very good at this, especially considering what you've been through of not even, like, disrespecting your ex.

[Navy Federal]

It's not in me. It's just not in me. I mean, I'm mad at him. Am I. Am I upset that he threw me to the wolves? And kind of, in a way, like, just sort of like. Yeah. But I also would be a liar if I said that there weren't a lot of great times and he did a lot of beautiful things for me. I spent over 20 years with this man, so it wouldn't be fair for me to say, oh, he was terrible and was all awful and da, da, da. No, there were some beautiful moments, and I learned a lot from him in many ways. And you can say whatever you want to say about Tom Girardi. He was a complex man. Some people loved him, some people hated him. I did both and still do. So. And, you know, you have children with this man. He's not all bad, or you wouldn't have been married to him and had kids. You know, Teddy, cut yourself a break.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, I can say this with 100% certainty. Like, I've done a lot of things wrong in my life, but marrying Edwin and having our kids and doing that together is one of the best things that I've ever done right.

[Navy Federal]

And it will forever be. And don't lose that. Don't lose that perspective. And it's your life, your memories, and I don't like it when anyone that's watching or commenting says, well, you should have. Well, no, this is your life. And the only people that were in that marriage were you and Edwin. And there's gonna be a lot of shit that only she and Edwin knows.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And I think that's what's hard with being in the public eye and having press around it write things. Because something that we see often is a source close to so and so said bullshit. And I'm like, well, one, I know that wasn't anybody that I know.

[Navy Federal]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right.

[Navy Federal]

And number two, I don't know if you've seen things written about yourself that were absolutely impossible. Where you were like, that is absolutely not true. There is no way under God's green earth that I could have ever done X, Y, and Z that wasn't even in town.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Or it makes it look like you've leaked it yourself.

[Navy Federal]

Who does that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, because then it'll be in so many different places that then I think it's just meant to create more turmoil. When really, I think, at the end of the day, both me and Edwin have a lot of love and respect for each other and want what's best for our kids.

[Navy Federal]

And you will continue to do so. But at moments, you're not going to. And that's okay, too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

It's okay for you to go through the whole range of emotions. And you're also going to have to grieve your marriage, which you haven't even gotten to yet, because that's the real mind fuck.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I haven't gotten to know.

[Navy Federal]

You're not there yet, but you will be.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Something that I didn't necessarily do often, but once I was diagnosed with melanoma and all those surgeries, I started going to therapy.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, good. This is what. You know what. By the way, I know you, and I didn't know that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

Does that make sense? I think sometimes people expect us to know absolutely everything about one another. I don't. I know what my friends tell me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And sometimes you don't. It's not that I wouldn't want to have told you that, but. Or that you didn't ask the question. It's just like, what am I going to be like? Oh, at Thursdays, at blah, blah, blah. I do therapy. Like.

[Navy Federal]

Yes. I mean, it's. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think when you're going through therapy or when you're going through changes, whether it's, how about you have cancer? Cancer or potentially perimenopause, like there. I think there's a lot of things that we don't talk about, especially like what happened through Covid with so many relationships.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That ended during that time.

[Navy Federal]

Yes. Mine did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And also what women go through when they're hormonally changing. And I'm not making excuses for myself. I want you guys to know that. But I want you to know that, like, you are going to change.

[Navy Federal]

I don't think. Listen, any woman who's gone through. So I'm ahead of you in this journey, this hormonal journey. That's not an excuse I don't know of. God bless you. If you're a woman and you went through all of, like, perimenopause, menopause, postmenopause, and you didn't change, because it's a scientific fact that there's great neurological change going on. It's different. And then you. You have a lot of different things coming at you in life, and these things happen to everyone. Yeah, every woman goes into ovarian retirement at some point. No, that's what I call it. Ovarian. Well, I heard this really cool doctor that I follow call it ovarian retirement. And I thought, you know what? I'm gonna call it that, too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what? That's kind of a sexier way to call. It's like a very, like, retirement. Seems like you're about to be making money.

[Navy Federal]

Right? Well, shit, if that's the case, where is it? Back. The truck.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

If that's the case, let me get my hysterectomy now.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah. You're not kidding.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, no, let's go for it. As somebody who has been through a separation, has gone through things, was there, like, a particular moment that I said, fuck this shit.

[Navy Federal]

I'm leaving?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

Let me think. It had been building for so long for years. And, yeah, there was a day. It was during COVID as a matter of fact, during the summertime. I was like, I can no longer live like this. I cannot live like this. I. This is chaos. I don't know what's going on. I have been shut out of my own life. I can't get through to him. He's not responding to any way that I attempt to communicate to him or talk to him. And, like, imagine the walls coming down around you. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, I got. I have to get the fuck out of here. And when I kept going to Tom and asking him, like, what's happening? What's going on? And what are you talking about? Everything is fine. I was like, no, everything is not fine. Tomorrow. Everything is not fine. And I couldn't get any answers. So I think it was, oh, I left in October. Well, I moved in late October, it was around. It was a couple weeks before I moved in. Then I said, I have to get out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

I cannot live like this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, I think I'm definitely not at that place.

[Navy Federal]

Sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, there's a lot of. For me, it's. I think I have, like, tunnel vision on. On the kids.

[Navy Federal]

Well, that is the most important.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And I've kind of shut down my, like, personal emotions.

[Navy Federal]

Sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what I'm saying?

[Navy Federal]

Put them on hold.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

Like, I'm like, to the side of it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, I don't know. And I think, you know, something that a lot of people have been asking is like, what's the situation with. With the kids? And I think, what is the situation with the kids? So they know that we are separated or filed for divorce.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, they do know that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They do know. Okay. I'm nesting.

[Navy Federal]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Navy Federal]

I'm from the old school where you got your shit and got the fuck out. So I don't know nothing about this. You know, get the fuck out. You know, I'm old school. So take away the nesting. And I'm not being disrespectful, but I don't know what that means.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay. So first things first. And this isn't special to me. This is anybody in California. In California, Delaware, Louisiana, Montana, Vermont and Virginia also have a six month cooling off period.

[Navy Federal]

What does that even mean?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So some places you can just file for divorce and then 30 days later.

[Navy Federal]

I think in Georgia, it's no fault. And by. You're done.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Yeah, Done, done, done.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

In California. No. There's a six month cooling off period. So during that six months, you can do a multitude of things. The way I learned about nesting was actually one of my good girlfriends. She's a divorce coach.

[Navy Federal]

A divorce coach. Yeah. I bet she's making good money.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she does.

[Navy Federal]

I mean, but think about it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But she. She told me about nesting and I was like, well, what is that? And she's like, that's where it's very popular in California because. Especially because houses are very expensive. Your kids are used to a certain lifestyle, but it's where the kids stay and the parents come and go. So the kids never have like it within that six month or however long.

[Navy Federal]

Well, like when we came up and you had to pack your shit and go to the other.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

So you're packing your things and going somewhere else.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

And then you get to come back. Does it split days or weeks or how does it work?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It splits. Like, I mean, everybody's different and I Can't. Because of multitude of reasons. I can't explain our exact timing, but both Edwin and I leave when the other one comes in, sleeps. We can both be there, like, you know, for sporting events or, you know, it's not that we can't. We're completely happy to be around one another.

[Navy Federal]

So it's very amicable.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

So you. So the kids stay and the parents switch out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So I live at Kyle's.

[Navy Federal]

Do you really? Holy shit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. I saw you filmed in the glam room.

[Navy Federal]

You know what? Don't be telling on me. Yeah, fuck you. Thanks. Is that where you're sleeping?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's my bedroom now, bitch. No.

[Navy Federal]

Are you serious?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, up there?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Isn't that great up there? It's so cozy.

[Navy Federal]

I thought you were living in the house in the back.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Navy Federal]

Fuck, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Isn't that a dream up there?

[Navy Federal]

It is a dream, yes. I do, actually. Hold on a second. We need to have, like, a night. We need to do a thing. I need to come over and hang out with y'all.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's. I mean, and the background's beautiful. We can start potting from there. Because the setup is whatever.

[Navy Federal]

I mean, you know, and Kyle would love to have us there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. She's like.

[Navy Federal]

Because the house is in. Well, quiet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The house, minus the dogs.

[Navy Federal]

I love those dogs.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love the dogs. But there's a shit ton of them.

[Navy Federal]

There's a shit ton of dogs. But I enjoy them because I lost my dog. So every time I go over there, I feel like I get my dog fill.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So thankfully Kyle has let me do that.

[Navy Federal]

Hey, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You can't make this up.

[Navy Federal]

You can't make this shit up. I just wanted to say, like, for anybody that's listening or watching, like, you cannot make this shit up. You know, all of our lives are so fucked up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, but I'm like, this is how you know that there are real friendships to be made on reality TV shows. Yeah, because, like, I was thinking to myself, am I gonna, like, get a place to, like.

[Navy Federal]

Am I gonna get, like, an apartment over on Ventura? You know what I mean? Like an apartment on Ventura Boulevard, like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Pre decorated to live, like, two nights a week. Like, it doesn't, like. I don't care.

[Navy Federal]

It doesn't work like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I just zip on over. It's close. Easy.

[Navy Federal]

Wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, she cooks.

[Navy Federal]

No, she does cook. Is she cooking over there?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, sometimes.

[Navy Federal]

Wow. How many times have you done it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, we're just starting. We're Newly into it. But it does work out really well for the kids because then they, you.

[Navy Federal]

Know, we have right around the corner.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're right around the corner and, you know, everything's on the calendar. They know exactly when I come and go. Vice versa and. But yeah, I mean, it's. It's challenging because for, you know, for someone type A like me, like, one little thing changes.

[Navy Federal]

That is true. Teddi, if she's not good on the old flexibility.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I'm not in any ways. Definitely can't do the splits either.

[Navy Federal]

No, but you're not flexible at all.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I don't.

[Navy Federal]

I mean, you know. Oh, my God, you're right, Kyle, so. Of course you are. This shit is unreal.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was like, just wait till somebody catches me pulling into Kyle's house. And like we. Erica and Dorit called it years ago.

[Navy Federal]

Listen, I'm telling you, the way I'm going, you all should leave me the fuck alone. I see the future, okay? Y'all better leave me the fuck alone. I know what's going on. I see the future. Except for my own. I mean. But, you know, psychics say they can't see themselves, so. I don't know. I'm kidding to anybody. That's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. We'd hate some self awareness on Diamonds in the Rocks.

[Navy Federal]

No. By the way, we know so many people that could come on and hang out with us that are in a rough place. That are in a rough place. I think everybody in our fucking immediate orbit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, we could honestly just throw a dart anywhere and you want to come on and talk. You want to talk shit about whatever.

[Navy Federal]

You'Re going through about your latest disaster, you know, God help us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, you previously shared on the podcast that you and your ex Thomas, had a better relationship divorced than married. Can you go into that a little bit more?

[Navy Federal]

Well, what I can say is, yeah, I love my first husband, Thomas. Yeah, it was Thomas, Thomas and Thomas. I love Tom very much. Tom won. We were young and he's a good guy and we still talk and still wish each other, you know, happy birthdays and Christmases and stuff like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is he remarried?

[Navy Federal]

No. I wish he would be there because he deserves someone. He's a good guy. He really is. He's A good man.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you ever go back?

[Navy Federal]

No, No. I was young and, you know, wild and weird and all of that and yeah, he's a good guy. But we did not fight in front of our child, like I told you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

And I was thinking something that's not really nesting. But I remember when my son was young, like he was in grade school and Tom, one, you know, they live in New York City, was going out of town. So I flew to New York to move into the apartment for like seven to 10 days. Right. So that my boy didn't have to miss school or anything. And you know, so. And then I moved in. Not moved in, but stayed. And it was like maybe semi nesting for a week.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean the nesting, I think, which was fun.

[Navy Federal]

We had a great time. You know, he, you know, it was cool. He. He was at home and mom came in and had a great time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think taking. Sometimes taking your kids out of their surroundings is really traumatic. Especially when there's already additional news.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That they're having to take in.

[Navy Federal]

Have they, has anybody said anything to them?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, they, they're pretty open. Like my kids are pretty conversational. Yeah, they're not.

[Navy Federal]

They're smart.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, they're smart and they're aware. And I think probably all of us have the same questions, you know, that we don't have answers to.

[Navy Federal]

And you might not have those answers for a long time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think that's something that I have to continue to remember is what.

[Navy Federal]

Is that going on? Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is there a fucking radio?

[Navy Federal]

Radio? The fuck is this? Is this Kevin Costner here? No.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Christmas party.

[Navy Federal]

This is the iheartradio Christmas party.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, they didn't bring any snow in here. Cause it's fuckin hot as balls. Or I'm stressed.

[Navy Federal]

Girl, you're going through menopause. Get you some hormones. I mean, we're doing a show. I love women and this is our first show. Leave us alone. We have high level talks in here. It's very serious stuff.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sorry, we don't know if we're crying or we're having allergic reactions.

[Navy Federal]

You're fucking sabotaging our first show. Rude. You know what? Back to Kyle's. We're going to Kyle's. You know what? We're going to Kyle's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what?

[Navy Federal]

We'll be at Kyle's and we'll be at Kyle's next time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hold on. Our next guest, we haven't asked her yet, but we'll be Kyle because she doesn't have a choice.

[Navy Federal]

She doesn't have a choice. Cause she'll be with the snacks and everything else. So, Kyle. What? Sit down right here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Tell us, Kyle, sit down in your home. What do you think we utilize to film?

[Navy Federal]

What do you think about this place? What do you think about you two? I mean, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's talk about your most recent confessional. Or when you.

[Navy Federal]

What do you think about that when.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You had pigtail braids in.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, I knew you were gonna say look at girl. Okay. Little House on the Prairie. You know, forgiving me, I was like, what's going on?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There was a lot of looks. That episode, you and Kathy's hat was also a good treat.

[Navy Federal]

Honey, the hat. I still have my hat, by the way. Because at any moment she might say, hey, where's yalls hats? Bitch, you're not gonna catch me without my hat. I'm like, it's right here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're like, hold on.

[Navy Federal]

It's right here. I got my coffee filter hat on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Honey, don't you worry. Folgers in our cup.

[Navy Federal]

That's right, soldiers. That's what Tom drank. He really did have those old school coffee filters.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, that with coffee mate.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, God. Wow. Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My deep, dark, dirty, secret coffee mate.

[Navy Federal]

You do? Really? The coffee mate?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I used to dread the fridge chores, okay? I'd be like, hold on, let me just.

[Navy Federal]

I pulled so many things out of that fridge, you have no idea.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Don't mind the coffee mate. What is your advice to other women who feel like they've failed or can't move on or feel guilty about making a decision?

[Navy Federal]

No one is a failure. These things happen in life. And it is okay to get knocked down, take a breath, but you can't stay down. You have to pop back up. You have to pop back up. When I was going through all of my stuff, I remember again, people reaching out in DMs and saying, look, this happened to me. Like, I've gone, I've been here. And we're all human beings, okay? Nobody's perfect. You'll be okay. But the only way out is through. You just got to keep going.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think for me, a way out is. It's not even a way out, but a way through is. Like, I really don't want to place blame.

[Navy Federal]

There's enough to go.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, you know, like, I don't want to get to that place. Like, I think, yeah, of course there's going to be moments where I'm angry or I'm hurt or I'm upset or, you know, the highs and lows or I'm going to grieve or for a long time. Maybe I'm going to, you know, fall back in love again. I don't know. But I don't.

[Navy Federal]

Then we need an intervention. Hold on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I don't want to get to the place where you don't want to.

[Navy Federal]

Be bitter is what you're really trying to say. I think that that's what it really is. You don't want to be bitter. You can go through all of these emotions, but at the end of the day, when it's all said and done and all the dust settles, that you're not bitter.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

Because that's the killer. When women become bitter, then the whole. Their whole vision forward is just tainted. Everybody's bad. Every situation sucks. There's nothing good. That's not true.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think I saw with, you know, my parents divorce. There was so much, like, mudslinging at each other.

[Zinn]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

You don't want to do it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That it. We got lost in the mix.

[Navy Federal]

Became about them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And it also became about pleasing them.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna make so and so happy if I say this or I do this.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And your kids, you don't know. And which is why I still say to both of my parents to this day, please don't call me the other person's name to me. Like, both of them have done it my entire life. And it's like one of those things where my dad will be like, okay, little Vicky.

[Navy Federal]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or my mom will be like, all right, John. And I'm like, I know this isn't used as a compliment right now.

[Navy Federal]

How about this? How about being called. Okay, I'm not going to say his name because he's my father and I had never met him. You look just like your dad, you know, Da, da, da, da. I'm like, I don't know him. So, yeah, I understand exactly what that feels like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So, like, if you.

[Navy Federal]

Except I didn't know him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

So I was like, well, I don't know. Is it? I mean, I don't know. Oh, you look just like your daddy with that Latin nose. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? What do you mean, my Latin nose?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or, like, your expression or the way you do.

[Navy Federal]

Look at her hands. Da, da, da, da. And, you know, my grandmother and my mother would do this to me, and they thought it was funny, and it was not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's not funny.

[Navy Federal]

I didn't know who the fuck this dude was.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So, I mean, that adds a whole.

[Navy Federal]

Well, it was just like, you know, can y'all stop talking about people? I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then also, there is a level of, like, am I supposed to feel shame for being a part of my parents?

[Navy Federal]

Well, at one point, they liked each other enough to procreate not once, but twice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

So what does that mean?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, and I'm always. Whenever they would bitch about each other, I'd be like, you guys chose to marry each other and have kids.

[Navy Federal]

Did you? This was. I was. What I was listening to. I don't know. I was watching something on YouTube, and it was this therapist who was talking about children who thought that the reason that they got divorced, their parents got divorced, was because of them. I'm just here to say, not one day in my life did I ever think that it was my fault. I always thought they were dumb. Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I never thought it was my fault. Right.

[Navy Federal]

I never knew. And I'm talking about my stepfather now. I mean, I knew that they were. They were idiots. This had nothing to do with me. Y'all were really stupid.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. I mean, one of my very closest friends was, like, my parents stayed together until I graduated high school for us. And it was. We weren't stupid. Right.

[Navy Federal]

We saw how unhappy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Unhappy and thing. And I'm not saying that I was unhappy or that I am unhappy. I'm not putting any emphasis on that. But I am saying kids are very smart.

[Navy Federal]

They're very smart. They know what's going on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And as long as you show your kids love, we have to give ourselves some grace.

[Navy Federal]

You deserve grace. Edwin deserves grace. Everybody in this situation deserves grace. You know, it's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Man, it's a shit show.

[Navy Federal]

No, it's not. You're a human being. You're having a really human experience. No one can, you know, leave her alone. Well, I know they're not going to.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I don't think it's.

[Navy Federal]

They're not going to. But you also have to almost look at yourself, like, step out, like, detach. Like, take two steps back from your personal self. And so you get so destroyed by.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I do. And tell me if I'm wrong. Do I seem a little less anxious than my normal self?

[Navy Federal]

I didn't want to say anything, but. Yeah. There was a time. I'm not going to, like, reveal too much here, but there was a day when I was talking to you that it was really bad.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

And I was like, wow, that's since passed. And you seem to, like, you've taken a breath.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I think for Me having a. Some sort of a plan.

[Navy Federal]

Sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Whether that plan comes to fruition or.

[Navy Federal]

Not, it's the idea. It's. You have a plan and you can make adjustments. You're gonna have to be flexible. But. No, but look, this is a great. Also a great moment to see just how flexible you can be.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And I also am really grateful to be able to do this with you and to be able to have two teas in a pod with Tamara. Because, like, it. Showing up to work is really important.

[Navy Federal]

For your mental health.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And people give me a lot of shit about accountability. How could you be an accountability coach? I'm like, I'm an accountability coach to help you, like, work out and change your life.

[Navy Federal]

So what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, it doesn't mean. I'm an accountability coach for all aspects of life. But showing up to work every day is accountable. It holds me accountable to.

[Navy Federal]

You made a commitment.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

To the. Being on the show. Everybody's everybody, like, taking the moral high ground and fuck you. You've got problems, too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

You know, don't let those people tear you apart. No one is perfect.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So who do we dig apart next week? Kyle?

[Navy Federal]

Well, yeah, I don't know if I'm allowed, but I don't know.

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[Symbiotica]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Symbiotica]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

So how did it work for you with your son and the holidays?

[Navy Federal]

So somebody got so one of us. It was alternating. I always got every summer. So from so let's just go Thanksgiving. If he had Thanksgiving, I had Christmas. Then I had winter break or spring break. So there's winter break and spring break. We didn't have that when I was going to school. Like, I don't think these kids go to school.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. These private schools out here and you.

[Navy Federal]

Pay all that money and then every chance again, we're having a holiday.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're having a holiday. Oh, you know, it's parent teacher conferences for four days. You know what do those during the holiday?

[Navy Federal]

How about this? How about it's not, it's 50 grand to send these kids every year.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I've learned a lot about finances recently.

[Navy Federal]

Did that blow your mind apart? I'm so happy that I have one child who is 32 years old and I don't have to do this but you did do it before in New York City, and it was pricey.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, not only is it pricey, but then it's like in la, it's such a scene, like, where my kids go to school. Like, there's bodyguards for particular kids because of celebrity. And then you're like, well, my son.

[Navy Federal]

Went to college with someone who was the president of a European nation's child. And that was like, they had full on, like, live in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

Security.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then you also kind of.

[Navy Federal]

It was a military college.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, but to kind of like talk about the kids situation in general. Like, what is just. And not. We're not even talking about divorce. We're not talking about my kids. We're just talking about kids in general. Like, what is the best way for kids to grow up? Like, in la, it's very different because you have to be kind of a helicopter parent. It's like, I could walk. Just school.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah. But you. First off, you lived in a really great place coming up. I mean, Hilton Head is stunning. And it was a different time. That doesn't exist much now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Navy Federal]

I mean, certainly not where we're living. In the city.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. No, I mean, there's. I won't. Somebody was like, would you let Slate walk to Starbucks by herself?

[Navy Federal]

No.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was like, absolutely not. Even with her air tag on, she's not.

[Navy Federal]

Hell no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I've never even left her by herself.

[Navy Federal]

No.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I looked at, like, just because, you know, I'm curious. I'm like, what age do kids babysit? And I guess at 12, kids are allowed to babysit. I'm like, the thought of leaving Slate to babysit the other kids.

[Navy Federal]

But wait a second, we were doing that. That's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I had already had my babysitting license.

[Navy Federal]

What is that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There was like, something that you did on, like, it was part of the babysitter.

[Navy Federal]

Not when I was coming up. It was just like, my mom wanted a club with her girlfriend, so. Erica, can you watch her d. Daughter. We. I tore that house apart, and the kids loved it so much, they asked me to come back every week because I was just wild.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You were ordering pizzas and don't tell the babysitter's dead.

[Navy Federal]

Turning up the music and just like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, having friends doing all the things.

[Navy Federal]

Well, no, I was too little. That's what I'm saying. Like, I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How old were you when you started babysitting?

[Navy Federal]

Probably 12. And they were like six. I had no business doing any of this shit. But I had a young mom, had a friend they wanted to go out. We used to stay home and just eat candy and get wild, sugared up. And just. The main thing was don't, under any circumstances, go to the door. Oh, yeah. And if anything looks crazy, call your grandmother. Not even call me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not answering.

[Navy Federal]

How could she answer? There were no such thing as cell phones. And this bitch was at the club.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, what are you gonna do? Call the pay phone?

[Navy Federal]

Call your. Call your grandmother? I was like, well, I'm. Shit. Okay. Shit. Okay. You know, whatever. So to think that that's how we grew up. And now I'm trying to think if my son. No, he never babysat anybody. I mean. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, no. I mean, I wouldn't even think of it.

[Navy Federal]

Like, I imagine Slate, like, going on, you know, Uber eats, getting pizzas, just corralling the other kids. And you're just out. I mean, in no way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

In Los Angeles.

[Navy Federal]

Hell, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, where My sister lives in South Carolina. I would probably let her, like, walk to the ice cream store like it's.

[Navy Federal]

Two minutes from the house on FaceTime. I'm a weirdo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

FaceTime.

[Navy Federal]

I'm a weirdO.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I'm. I'm wild about it, too, but it's also. It's that as your kids start to.

[Navy Federal]

Grow up, you have to let go. She's still 12. I mean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, Bella just got her license.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, hell, no. Did you let her drive her around?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah.

[Navy Federal]

What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, I don't like to drive, so I'm thrilled.

[Navy Federal]

Wait, Bella's driving you around?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Bella's a driver now, don't you worry. But not on Friday for Jingle Ball, because we're using Uber Teen.

[Navy Federal]

Are you really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, we're using Uber Teen. It's really cool because you can actually track the location of exactly where the kids are in that moment.

[Navy Federal]

I wonder if they have special drivers that only want to do the tv.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, they do. They pass the background check.

[Navy Federal]

Well, shit, you know what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I could have put you in an Uber Teen. Sometimes.

[Navy Federal]

Me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So then I could fully track your whereabouts.

[Navy Federal]

I am about 16, and so I've never matured past 16, so you know what I do? I have this. I want you to send me an Uber Teen. And I want McNuggets and fries in the back. Okay. Because.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I want a Dr. Pepper, thank you.

[Navy Federal]

Right. Oh, my gosh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Now, who we need to have on Diamonds in the Rough.

[Navy Federal]

Who?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Rinna.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, that would be fun. That would be nice.

[Simone Boyce]

I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hold on, Rinna. Actually, I have a bone to pick with fucking Rinna.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, hell no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's about the sauce. You said that you were sending me Harry's sauce.

[Navy Federal]

What do you mean? What are you talking about? You didn't get it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, she. I got the message.

[Navy Federal]

My son loves this sauce and you're talking about a half Sicilian child.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm furious because I got the text message confirming this is. Confirming this is still your address.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I never fucking got Harry's.

[Navy Federal]

We can get you some more at Kyle's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Matter of fact, we can uber teen it.

[Navy Federal]

I'll swing by Rena's, grab some sauce, and head on over to Kyle's. You know what we should do? Rena should come over and we should make pasta one night to the four of us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Navy Federal]

And just trash everybody.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And listen, we could relive when. Oh, I did appreciate you had some pink hair extensions the other day.

[Navy Federal]

Which ones? Were they falling out?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, they looked good.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, good. Thank you. Oh, the pink. Oh, yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I liked it. It was hot.

[Navy Federal]

I thought you were like peak. I was like, were they falling out of my crown?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, pink.

[Navy Federal]

It was nice. We wanted to do something that just had some color.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It looked pretty.

[Navy Federal]

Thank you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can we talk a little bit about if your dating life has changed at all since.

[Navy Federal]

Well, no, it hasn't. And I'm feeling like tumbleweeds and I just. I need to be out here dating. I am so social. I'm going out. I am.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Where are you going?

[Navy Federal]

I mean, I have a dinner, fancy dinner on Friday night with some really fancy friends that I'm not gonna say who?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do I know them?

[Navy Federal]

Not personally, but you know them, you would recognize them.

[Simone Boyce]

Sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is one of them a date for you?

[Navy Federal]

No, this is a full on chat, chat, chat, but it's good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And when you. When you are going to date next, are you going to go older or younger?

[Navy Federal]

No, I don't think I've already done the older thing, so I think it's my.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I love that you're like, no, you know what?

[Navy Federal]

My. Oh, my God, my therapist, she goes, erica, you can no longer be a nurse or a purse for a man or nurse. I was like, hey. Okay, so I take that to say my age or younger.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I like it.

[Navy Federal]

But if Warren Buffett called it. No, she's like, kind of my demo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's like, but Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos.

[Navy Federal]

Well, yeah. I mean, hold on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Know what we could maybe get into in one of the diamond of the refs?

[Navy Federal]

What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Have you watched the Girls Gone Wild?

[Navy Federal]

I'm about to. I feel Bad for them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have so many questions. Do you want to hear something else crazy about our phones now?

[Navy Federal]

What? Oh, you mean the transcribe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, there's a little button on the side at the beginning when you start talking to somebody, and it says you can record the phone call.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, yes, of course.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then it alerts them, this call is now recording. What? But I thought. So is it like, zoom now? Because it's saying that it's recorded. They're allowed to record.

[Navy Federal]

Well, I don't think that we've had privacy since the 1950s or 60s. I mean, when everybody's like, my privacy? I'm like, you haven't had any for 50, 75 years, so don't worry about it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You do it.

[Navy Federal]

You have it, and. But yes. I just always assume that everything that I do, which is kind of great for us because we live our lives on camera, I just always assume that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, everything you say or do.

[Navy Federal]

Everything you say or do is on camera.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can be used against you and will.

[Navy Federal]

Not can will. There's no can will. And everything is up for public consumption.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you know, though, on Raya?

[Navy Federal]

No, because they didn't let me on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But did you know, though, if you. If you're caught screenshotting somebody's photo, you get kicked out. I know you haven't gotten in yet.

[Navy Federal]

I like that. Actually like that. Because you shouldn't. It shouldn't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I could easily take my phone and take a picture of your phone.

[Navy Federal]

Well, duh. Don't be a rookie and do a screenshot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, like, don't. This isn't fucking Snapchat.

[Navy Federal]

So many ways we can do this. By the way, I worry that people that use Snapchat actually think that that stuff goes away. No, it doesn't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It doesn't go away.

[Navy Federal]

Nothing goes away.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Guys, we could go deep. Actually, I'm very good friends with one of the heads of Snapchat.

[Navy Federal]

Nothing goes away, y'all.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I kind of think we should bring her into this conversation, because the world of Snapchat is.

[Navy Federal]

It is. What is the demo on Snapchat these days?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think the demo. I mean, I know that most kids won't even text anymore. They solely Snapchat.

[Navy Federal]

Really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Navy Federal]

And the reason for that is.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But they're not even sending, like, pictures of themselves. It's like half of an eye or, like, it's.

[Navy Federal]

What is going on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't get it. It's starting to be, like, such a lack of communication, and then you're left on read, and then you're left feeling like you're not good enough because so and so is not responding to the picture.

[Navy Federal]

So happy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I am 53, but. Well, I'm going to tell you, I was on my.

[Navy Federal]

You have three kids. I mean, obviously not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're not on Snapchat yet, but you.

[Navy Federal]

Have three kids that you're raising in this digital age where, you know, they don't know anything but having a phone in their hand.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I know, and it's frightening. So I, you know, I have Custodia. This is not an ad.

[Navy Federal]

What is that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Custodia is an app where it tracks how long your kids are on particular sites.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, my phone would be on fire.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yours would be. But I don't know how you are. But I'm a person that's like.

[Navy Federal]

I need that, like, irl in real life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, like in real life, I can't pick somebody by a photograph.

[Navy Federal]

No, I can't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I could aesthetically be like George Clooney or Brad Pitt, which. I need to know what your answer is.

[Navy Federal]

Neither.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Navy Federal]

I mean, you had to pick Idris Elba. That's not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't.

[Navy Federal]

With them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, that's both. That's Bo's.

[Navy Federal]

I'm a fighter for him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, like, that's.

[Navy Federal]

She want to get out the way. Honey, I'm not Dorit. Crashing in the sand. Okay, watch out now. You know who has a small. You know who's living in smaller quarters than me?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You.

[Navy Federal]

I'm a. Cheers to that. I thought I was the brokest one in town, and now it's you. Let me tell you, honey.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, my dad.

[Navy Federal]

I'm moving up. I was thinking about that, and, you know, you live in a smaller place. You live in the attic. Oh, my God. Who am I?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't even have Tom's leftover furniture. What the fuck?

[Navy Federal]

No, you don't even have Tom's leftover furniture. It's back at the nest, so. Too bad I can't. Good Furniture I never sat on in 15 years. I decided that was what I needed to take. Don't take the other stuff. Leave it for the nice people.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm dead. Well, anyways, can I sleep over tonight?

[Navy Federal]

Yeah, you can. You can.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you have a guest room for me on certain nights? I do.

[Navy Federal]

Great. I do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I feel like we've covered a lot of our roughness.

[Navy Federal]

Yeah, we're rough around the edges. Is there anything that you want to say or that you need to get off of your chest in our first episode, and I'LL tell you why. While we're gonna come back to your story, I want you to have fun when you're with me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The only thing that I'm gonna say, closing out is that I'm just excited that we can sit here and we can talk about anything and we've got all this and make it effortless.

[Navy Federal]

Thank you. And thanks. I'm happy that we get to do this together.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hopefully next time we get to do it together in a less hot room when I'm going through menopause.

[Navy Federal]

You were really on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I probably have butt sweat at this point.

[Navy Federal]

Ew. Do you use Lumi?

[Botox]

Hold on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What's Lumi?

[Navy Federal]

It's the all body deodorant.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Navy Federal]

Oh, God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Now I hate myself.

[Navy Federal]

Lumi, she is. It was created by a woman gynecologist, and I'm gonna give you some Lumi. Give us some product.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Anyways, Lumi. Now. I feel like I have issues.

[Navy Federal]

You don't have issues. You're fine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

All right. Thanks guys for tuning in. We'll be back next week to talk about Kyle's Attic.

[Navy Federal]

Flowers in the Attic, written by Teddy Mellencamp and Erica's glam room.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's not actually her glam room.

[Navy Federal]

Stop telling on me. God damn.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm always.

[Navy Federal]

No, but seriously, guys, thanks for tuning in and I'm glad that we can do this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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He shoots a three.

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