Dirty Rush: Animal House - The boys take over

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod – Dirty Rush: Animal House – The Boys Take Over

Release Date: October 25, 2025
Hosts: Ben Higgins & Bob Ginny (special all-male takeover)
Podcast: Dirty Rush (Two Ts In A Pod)

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Episode Overview

In this special "boys take over" edition of Dirty Rush, Ben Higgins and Bob Ginny step in for Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge to share their male perspectives on sorority (and fraternity) life. The episode dives into memories from their own college days, invites fellow fraternity alumni as guests, and explores themes such as Greek life dynamics, why certain sororities stood out, dating and partying inter-sorority, the weight of stereotypes, and the long-term friendships forged in Greek systems. The hosts and their callers reflect candidly (and humorously) about the sometimes superficial, sometimes sincere reasons for choosing or avoiding particular sororities during college.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Hosts' Backgrounds in Greek Life

Ben & Bob share their college Greek stories; setting the tone with honesty and nostalgia.

• Ben's Story (Indiana University):

  • Brief involvement in a fraternity for the "wrong reasons"—chose the coolest, party-centered house despite not being a partier.
  • Pledgeship was grueling (28 weeks) and ultimately incomplete due to illness (mono).
  • Developed strong ties with sororities nonetheless, fondly recalling their hospitality.
  • Quote:
    • "I joined, I think, a fraternity for all the wrong reasons. Not because I necessarily liked the guys... but because it was the coolest house on campus." (06:47)

• Bob's Story (Michigan State):

  • Football player, joined ATO (Alpha Tau Omega)—then a top fraternity with many athletes.
  • Served as pledge educator and social director: “I was never fine with people being hazed... I was like, how do you expect these people to want to be your friends if you’re a jackass to them?” (08:34)
  • Fraternity made the large campus feel like home; close ties to nearby sororities.

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2. Greek Life Social Dynamics & Sorority Hierarchies

• How Houses Chose to Party Together:
  • Physical Attraction: Both hosts admit sorority “coolness” and “beauty” mattered, along with genuine personality and involvement.
    • Ben: “Let’s be honest, the physical attraction also became a theme—this house is beautiful, right?” (11:53)
  • Relationship Webs: Many top fraternities and sororities partied together because members dated each other or were already friends.
    • Bob: "A lot of the guys in the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority... It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know, connected group.” (09:41)
  • Proximity: Houses closer in location partied together more often due to logistics.
    • Ben: “Proximity played a huge role... it was hard for us to convince anybody from 30 minutes away to come down to hang out.” (21:36)
  • Party Dynamics: If too few sorority women attended, it was a “sausage festival.” The best sororities showed up in force and boosted the fun.

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3. Callers’ Stories & Insights

a. Brick Rhinestone (16:09)

• His Entry: Not as cool or popular as expected at the start—"I thought I’d be the big [deal]... and I was quickly put in my place." (16:27)
• On Stereotypes & “Top” Sororities:
  • Certain sororities were avoided because they weren’t considered “cool” or “pretty.”
    • “If somebody found out you were dating someone from one of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon.” (19:17)
  • His “top” sororities: Theta, Chi O, Delta Gamma.
• Candidness About Peer Pressure:
  • Admits many decisions were made out of concern for social status. “There could have been a beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would not have... just because of the backlash.” (20:45)
• Why Houses Get Stereotyped:
  • “A sorority is... your group of friends and you gravitate towards people that are like you... They have an image they want to uphold.” (23:33)
• Memorable Suggestion:
  • Best advice—become a sorority house waiter: “You get to interact every day for two meals a day. I got a lot of dates, probably more than I deserve.” (25:28)

b. Tuck (31:20)

• Opening Anecdote: Crashed a graduation ceremony under a fake name for laughs (Joey Buttafuoco). (32:56)
• Which Sororities Stood Out and Why:
  • Married a Pi Phi (though he humorously ranks them as “probably fourth”).
  • “Kappas were good, DGs were good, Pi Phis were probably third, and Tri Delts were pretty good.” (33:26)
• Memorable Parties & “Bad” Sororities:
  • Thetas at Cal: “Thetas are bad... We had a party with them... and that party didn’t seem like a good idea.” (34:21)
• Long-Term Bonds:
  • Still close with fraternity brothers; ongoing group chats, annual parties.
    • “I have probably... text groups of 20, 25 of these folks that I still connect with.” (36:13)
• On "Pinning":
  • Never did it, thought it was silly, but saw others do it as a pre-engagement move. (37:34)
• Most Outrageous Prank:
  • Tried to get an imaginary person (named Ben Higgins!) a fraternity bid to see if he could game the system. (37:56)
• His Sorority Love Story:
  • Met his future wife in college, wooed her back after she dated someone else—“She laughed at every single thing I did… and then we ultimately got married and had… three kids. Two kids. Three kids. Sorry.” (41:11)

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4. Reflections, Stereotypes, and Changing Times

• On Stereotypes:
  • Each campus, and even each Greek organization, developed its own image. Smart houses, party houses, “all blonde” houses, and so on were pervasive stereotypes that shaped social choices.
• Changing Rules:
  • Parties have become more regulated (wristbands, no kegs, etc.) compared to their college years, often due to accidents and liability concerns.
    • Tuck: “All this stuff... no kegs, can’t light this thing on fire—all those rules came from my era.” (36:13)
• Real Friendships Last:
  • Despite the perceived superficiality, the lasting takeaway is that deep, decades-long friendships form through Greek life.
    • "Some of his best friends today are still from his fraternity house." (35:17, see also 36:13 from Tuck)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “I joined it with one of my best friends... Never fully completed it... had great buddies in the house, was over there many, many a times afterwards, and ... made good relationships with some of the sororities.”
  – Ben Higgins, (07:16)

• “We formed the Downriver Six Pack... six of us from the same area in the same fraternity.”
  – Bob Ginny, (04:09)

• “If you suffer from Acacia... you might need an ointment.”
  – Bob Ginny (joking about Ben’s fraternity name), (12:59)

• “The best way to show you care is through service. And what better way to show service?”
  – Ben Higgins, on being a sorority house waiter (26:37)

• “You gravitate towards people that are like you. … They have an image they want to uphold.”
  – Brick Rhinestone, (23:33)

• “Every rule they have now—wristbands, no kegs—all came from my era where somebody died or should have died.”
  – Tuck, (36:13)

• “You’re just kind of looking for two or three people out of this thing who will play dad for your kids if you need it.”
  – Tuck, (36:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Host introductions & Greek Life background: 02:29 - 11:00
• Top sororities and their appeal: 08:49 - 12:33
• Caller 1 (Brick Rhinestone) joins: 15:48 - 27:00
• Caller's perspective on “uncool” sororities & stereotypes: 18:33 - 25:28
• Advice: Be a sorority house waiter: 25:28 - 26:58
• Caller 2 (Tuck) joins: 31:20 - 42:53
• Fraternity pranks, pinning, long-lasting bonds: 37:16 - 40:45
• Sorority love story (Tuck and his wife): 41:11 - 42:30

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Memorable Moments

• Bob’s description of the “Downriver Six Pack” from his Michigan fraternity (04:09)
• Ben and Bob openly admitting that superficial reasons (beauty, popularity) largely drove inter-sorority/ fraternity socials (11:53, 12:21)
• Brick's “become a sorority waiter” hack—unanimous endorsement from hosts (25:28)
• Tuck’s prank of almost bidding an imaginary pledge, “Ben Higgins from Newport Beach, California”—meta moment as Ben is hosting (37:56)
• Tuck’s self-deprecating recounting of who he married, how he met her, and forgetting the number of his children (41:11)
• Fondness for lifelong Greek friendships, despite the messy moments and rules (36:12, 36:13)

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Tone & Language

The episode is raw, nostalgic, comedic, and peppered with candid admissions about immaturity, superficiality, and evolving perspectives. Both the hosts and callers reflect fondly yet humorously self-aware about their college experiences, with no attempt to sugarcoat the sometimes arbitrary, appearance-driven aspects of Greek social life. There’s also genuine warmth in how they describe the friendships that endured long after graduation.

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Conclusion

This “boys take over” episode of Dirty Rush offers a simultaneously cheeky and heartfelt look at Greek life from a male lens: the parties, the pecking orders, the decisions (both silly and serious), and the lasting impact of those intense college bonds. For listeners, whether you were part of Greek life or not, it’s an entertaining dose of nostalgia, humor, and honesty about fraternity–sorority interactions—warts, winks, and all.

Transcript

[Ben Higgins]

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[Sophie Cunningham Intro]

Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about.

[Ben Higgins]

Sorority Life with your hosts, me, Gia.

[Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler]

Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

[Ben Higgins]

Welcome to another episode of Dirty Rush. The boys are taking over today. We're your hosts. I'm Ben Higgins.

[Bob Ginny]

And I'm Bob Ginny.

[Ben Higgins]

We're giving you the male take on sororities and try not to get ourselves in too much trouble, honestly, we will, and that's just part of life. We're going to take a few callers from you listeners out there on your opinions on sororities from a male perspective, so let's just dive in. Bob, we're obviously hosting this today. You and I both have a background in Greek life. Well, for me, I'll explain that mine wasn't a long or very deep background in Greek life. However, I have been around my fair share of sororities, and I have been to college, and so I know what we're talking about today. But, Bob, I think you're, out of the two of us, the expert in Greek life. Give us your background, your resume, and why, you know, you were hired on to be the co host today.

[Bob Ginny]

Yes. Well, thank you for having me here today, Benjamin, and for inviting me to be a part of this illustrious show and this panel of guests that'll be coming along today. Yeah. So I was. I went to Michigan State University. I was on the football team at Michigan State. And I will tell you that I had a bunch of buddies that were in a fraternity, the ATO House, at Michigan State. And the ATOS were a pretty, Pretty cool group of dudes. A lot of athletes, a lot of cool party guys, a lot of face guys, as they said at the time. And I. I decided that that sounded like fun. Another guy on the football team, who was one of our middle linebackers, was on the.

[Tuck]

Was.

[Bob Ginny]

Was in this fraternity. He's like, trust me, I got you. You'll have a great experience. We'll have fun. And I did. I, I. I rushed the house, and as. As a result of that, I brought in or brought around several of my buddies who, you know, we. We went there together. Some of us went there together, and then some of us came in later. But I'm from an area in the Detroit area called the Downriver area, and we, we formed the Downriver Six Pack, which was six of us from the same area in the same fraternity. And I think of us, four of us went through rush together, maybe three of us, and then the others came through after. But it was. It was pretty cool, man. We had a really great time, and it made a very large university, Michigan State University, for me, as a result of going, you know, going there and being on the football team, that made it a whole lot smaller. And then being a part of the fraternity system there made it even smaller. So I never felt like Michigan State was an enormous place. In fact, I felt like it was not that much bigger than my hometown because I felt like I literally knew everybody. So it was awesome.

[Ben Higgins]

Well, one thing I need you to do as we prepare for the callers that we're going to take listeners to the Dirty Rush podcast that are going to be calling in here to talk about some of the topics that we're going to be discussing. Just between you and I here to get us going, I want you to start thinking about, yes, your time in the fraternity, but also your relationship to the sororities. I don't know if you had much of an interest in sororities when you were at Michigan State, but if you.

[Bob Ginny]

Did, I had a strong interest in them. I'd say strong to fiercely strong.

[Ben Higgins]

He Bob is a historical genius when it comes to, yes, sororities and the history, what they care about and who they are. You know, I went to Indiana University, a big ten school, an amazing institution. I went to Indiana and was very excited about being a part of Greek life. I went there having great friendships from home, but also wanting to build new friendships. I kind of had this like voyager mentality where I was an only child from. Whereas on Indiana I wanted to spread my wings. And so I joined, I think, a fraternity for all the wrong reasons. Not because I necessarily like the guys that were a part of the house and not because I necessarily liked the house itself. It was because it was the coolest house on campus. It was the one that everybody wanted to go to. It had the best party room, which, looking back, it was a very naive decision for me because I've never been a huge partier. It's not like something that I get jazzed about. And so the fact that I joined a house that only partied really was some. Was a mistake of me, of mine. I joined it with one of my best friends in the world who went through rush and I never fully completed it for a few reasons. It was a 28 week long pledgeship, so it took up the whole year, which was exhausting to be. Which is crazy to think that college is four years and you're going to spend so much time of it kind of being kicked around as a pledge. Their pledgeship was very difficult. I went through the whole thing and with three weeks left, I have all these stories on the things we had to do and the things I did to try to get into that house and being bossed around by people one year older than me, which I still find to be the weirdest thing in the world looking back. But I was diagnosed with mono and had to go home for four weeks.

[Bob Ginny]

My God.

[Ben Higgins]

Came back to the last week of pleadship and kind of got, I mean, I don't want to say beat up because that Sounds a bit, I just, I, they, they did not take it easy on me. Long story short, ended up very sick again from that week and never fully completed it. However, I had great buddies in the house, was over there many, many a times afterwards, and because of my long standing pleadship, I had made good relationships with some of the sororities. I have amazing stories about sororities and some of the hospitality they showed me, which is, which is always a special time to look back on Bob before we bring in our first caller. I know they're kind of on the line waiting right now. If, if we just started this out with your top sororities and kind of why you liked them, I think that would be a good way to get this thing kicked off.

[Bob Ginny]

Okay. So, yeah, I mean, my college experience, my fr. Experience. Experience, by the way, was a little different than yours because I, I, I was actually my, I was a pledge educator, meaning I, like, was the, the leader of the pledges at one point, and I was also the social director of our fraternity, so I got to know all the stories pretty well. But I was never fine with people being hazed or whatever. I was like, how do you expect these people to want to be your friends if you're in jackass to them for, you know, however long of a time frame it is? So I always had that kind of mentality going. So I totally relate to what you're saying. But yeah, I would say, you know, at Michigan State when I was there, the ATLs are no longer on campus, by the way. Got the boot. But when I was there, we were probably one of the, the, the more notable party houses there as well. And I would always pick out like the, the Chi Omegas and the Alpha Chi Omegas, the Sigma Kappas and the Alpha fees. And we partied a lot with the Kappa Kappa Gammas as well. And so I was a regular at a lot of those date parties too. So I loved it because I'd be like, hey, yeah, I was the single guy. So where are we going? Oh, we're gonna go, you know, to this awesome ski resort I'm in, you know, and I was, I loved it. You know, it was super fun. But those sororities, I think the reasons why we, we would typically, they were considered the kind of the top houses on campus. And probably the reasons why we chose to, you know, have them at our parties and things of that nature was because a lot of the, the guys in the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority or whatever it might be. And so there were you know, relationship had been built there from whether they were girlfriend, boyfriend, and then we became friends with all their friends type of thing. It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know, connected group of people. And they were super fun, you know, always up for a fun event, and they showed up. You know, like, that was one of the things, too. Like, you have a party as a fraternity on campus, and the last thing you want is. I believe the term would be for it to be a sausage festival.

[Tuck]

Right?

[Bob Ginny]

You don't want. You don't just want all the dudes from all the fraternities that are also invited to show up and none of the women to show up. So you always wanted the women who would actually show up and have fun and enjoy the party as well. And so that was kind of a cool thing. I think about the sororities that I mentioned was not only were they, you know, super involved in everything that they were doing, but they were a lot of fun. They were great to hang out with, great personalities. And then, you know, also they would. They would show up in full, and they'd roll on in, and the party would. Would go up a notch the second they got there. The hardest part was actually determining which sororities to party with, at which functions. So that was always kind of an interesting, you know, little algorithm I had to figure out, too.

[Ben Higgins]

The. Let's be honest, though, Bob, again, we're gonna get ourselves into trouble today. We do have a collar on the line that we're gonna bring in right now. The physical attraction also became a theme, like, this house is beautiful, right? Or this house is kind of down my lane and what I'm physically attracted to. That also played a huge role in what houses you partied with and which ones you didn't.

[Bob Ginny]

Yeah, absolutely. There was definitely a little bit of that there, too. Probably a lot of that there. But like I said, you know, a lot of times it was guys in the house maybe were dating girls in that house, and so you got to know them all.

[Tuck]

And.

[Bob Ginny]

And the ATOs in general, had impeccable taste. So, of course, they were, you know, hanging out with the smoke shows of that particular time. And campus.

[Ben Higgins]

The house that I was in is no longer at Indiana University.

[Bob Ginny]

What is the name of the.

[Ben Higgins]

Can we.

[Bob Ginny]

Can we ask the name of that?

[Ben Higgins]

Yeah, it's called Acacia.

[Bob Ginny]

Okay.

[Ben Higgins]

And most places, it's not very good. Indiana University is very good, I think.

[Bob Ginny]

I don't mean this to sound disrespectfully, but it almost sounds like something you would need an ointment for. Yeah, well, if you. If you suffer from Acacia.

[Ben Higgins]

Yeah, that's a. That's a fair statement I think, for the things that happened and some of the reasons why that house is no longer on campus.

[Bob Ginny]

I can imagine. Yeah.

[Ben Higgins]

Yeah.

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[Ben Higgins]

All right, we have our first caller in. He is not only entrenched into the fraternity life, he also, I'm assuming, probably played a role as social chair. Just looking at this man's face makes me quiver. It is Brick Rhinestone Joining us today.

[Brick Rhinestone]

What's up, guys? Pretty faces.

[Bob Ginny]

You know, so it's funny. You and I have often been compared to one another from our mutual friends, and I. I was the social chair in my fraternity, and Ben stole it from me when I said, I was thinking, I bet you Brick Rhinestone was also the social director of his fraternity. And I have a feeling you were.

[Brick Rhinestone]

I was not. I. You would think I would have a real strong case for it because I went to school in Kansas, and I came from California, and so I thought I'd be the big. When I got there, and I was quickly put in my place, and I was not social chair. I did get into the house that I wanted to and still have a lot of those friends, but I was not as cool as I thought I was. I was put in check pretty quickly.

[Bob Ginny]

Really?

[Ben Higgins]

Do you think that's part of why there is a pledgeship with fraternities, to put people in there?

[Brick Rhinestone]

Yeah. I mean, listen, Bob and I went to school a very long time ago, so things have changed.

[Bob Ginny]

Yes, it's much different.

[Brick Rhinestone]

But, yeah, I do think that when you go through rush and you sign a house and you have all these older actives who obviously have put in their time and they think that they're the king of the mountain, and then you get these freshmen that come in and think, oh, I got into the house that I wanted. This is going to be so cool. You get put into reality check pretty quickly about where you are on the totem pole.

[Ben Higgins]

Yeah, it's probably healthy.

[Bob Ginny]

Yeah, it probably is to a certain degree. I mean, part of it, too, is. I mean, you know, you get into, like, the psyche of some of these dudes that have been there for a while, and in their minds, they're like, well, in the military, we break it down to build you back up. And you're like, well, dude, you've never been in the military, first and foremost, so what the hell are you talking about? But I do feel like that's kind of what these guys think they're doing. Right. They're going to reshape you in the mold of what they want the frat.

[Brick Rhinestone]

To look like, that's for sure.

[Ben Higgins]

Now, we're here today to talk about sororities. I don't know if you feel comfortable talking about the topic of sororities or if you have much experience, but Bob and I just kind of went through some of our favorites. Bob shared his top three favorite houses. Actually, I think Bob shared about 10 places that he enjoyed visiting.

[Bob Ginny]

I had a tough Time writing it down. Yeah.

[Ben Higgins]

I'm gonna ask you a similar but different question. I would love for you to talk about maybe why you didn't enjoy a certain sorority, like what made you stay away from them or not invite them to the parties. And then also talk about what made you enjoy certain sororities, why you enjoyed being around them. We've. Hey, we've already broached the subject. Obviously, it's college, and we cannot at all skim over the fact that we were all very, very immature people at the time. And physical attraction was a huge component into why you hung out with certain houses and you didn't. However, there's other reasons. So let's start. Which was a sorority you stayed away from and why?

[Brick Rhinestone]

This is. This is a loaded question that could come back and really bite. So I'm just going to answer this politically, that there are certain sororities that we stayed away from, and because they weren't, quote, unquote, the cool or the beautiful girls, if. If somebody found out you were dating somebody or you hooked up with someone from one of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon. And so I, I'm not, I'm not going to name any names, but we definitely had sororities that were the top tier. And those, I, I would say that was probably Theta Chiyo and Delta Gamma. At least when I went to school, those were kind of like the top three. That's where the, the pretty girls were. That was where you had house parties with your fraternity. You would do a joint, obviously your sorority and fraternity. And those were also relatively close to our fraternity. So it made it very easy getting back and forth going to those parties. But I think that once again, just kind of like what we. How we started it is that, you know, they mold you into the fraternity, molds you into what they want. And it starts from day one when you're a pledge and you're going to do as I say. And this is, you know, kind of our mantra, and this is what we follow. And then it kind of bleeds into other things, whether it be sports, whether it be sororities, whether it be, you know, academics. And so I think that that was, you know, there could have been a beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would not have done that just because of the backlash that I would have gotten from going out with that person. And also the fact that we're probably never going to do a fraternity sorority party with that sorority would make it more difficult for me in the dating world. Or socially, if that particular sorority was not going to be part of my everyday, you know, kind of social life.

[Ben Higgins]

Brick, the, the interesting thing about Indiana University is it's. The Greek life is set up in two places. We have Greek row, where, you know, you had all the houses on a street, and then we had third street, which had some of the bigger mansions, and that was across campus. It wasn't a short walk. It was a 25, 30 minute walk to get from where most of the houses were to third street. But third street was where, like, you wanted to be. Those were the cool houses. Those were the best houses. That was where everything happened. And I agree with, with you, Bob. I'm wondering if you had the same experience. Proximity played a huge role in the kind of universe that we operated in socially because it was hard for us to convince anybody from 30 minutes away to come down to hang out.

[Bob Ginny]

Yeah, yeah, I think that was part of it. I mean, for us, all the sororities were pretty much on the same street. Right? So it was basically, you know, the, the fraternities were kind of off the beaten path for, for those. But the sororities were all kind of right there, and we were pretty close to the majority of them. So, yeah, I think proximity did play a part because some of the outliers probably just got passed over because they weren't as close. Like, you know, you mentioned, like, the Theta house, Theta house was popular house in Michigan State too, but they weren't really near our fraternity comparatively to the others. And so we, we still did stuff with them, but we probably didn't do stuff with them as much.

[Ben Higgins]

The Brick, the, the thing that I found that I'm thinking back on this time that was always very interesting is how quickly when you enter into a fraternity, how quickly the houses get stereotyped. I want to hear how, why the two of you think these houses get stereotyped the way they do. Right. We had the house. When you, you mentioned the Alpha fees, like, oh, they're, they're very smart. When you talk about the Zetas, oh, they're all blondes. Like, you just had these, like, stereotypes that were not always true, but it was kind of the way that we talked about these houses. Did you have that same experience?

[Brick Rhinestone]

Well, I think that it is. Listen, a sorority is, or fraternity for that matter, is kind of like your group of friends and you associate or you kind of gravitate towards people that are like you. And so while our friend group is much smaller when you deal with fraternities and sororities they have an image that they kind of want to uphold, whether they be the academic house or whether they want to be the blonde house or they want to be the athletes. So they, so they obviously do that to make sure that they keep up that stereotype. And I think that, that, you know, it makes it easier for you as a freshman that, that you can say, okay, there's 10 fraternities that I'm looking at, and this one's a smart one. So I definitely don't fit in there. So I don't want to go to that one. But these are the athletic or these are the good looking guys, or these are the guys who like to park party. You're gonna, you're gonna go, you're gonna lean towards that because you know you're gonna have the most in common. And so I think that's probably the same way with the sororities, although probably women won't tell you. That's why, you know, I, it doesn't matter. All my friends are equal whether they're the smart ones or not. But I think for, from my standpoint, that was what led me to the house that I joined, is that this is where I had the most in common with those guys and working great. I went to school 100 years ago, and I still am great friends. I still see them every year. And that's probably a testament to how the recruiting or rush operates.

[Ben Higgins]

Brick Rhinestone, we appreciate you joining us today to talk about your experience in Greek life. It's a pleasure to have you, an honor to have you on the show. Continue to be you.

[Brick Rhinestone]

Hey, I'm not done. I want to say one, I want to tell one story to any of your listeners who maybe going to college. I'll tell you what the best thing that I did, and some people might frown on it, but when I was in the fraternity and the Theta house was, you know, one of the, the more popular ones were certainly the pretty girls were. I went down there to be a waiter for the girls. And I'm telling you, that might have been the best decision I made in all of college, because you get to interact with the girls on a daily basis. It's not out at a bar. It's not like, you know, I want to hook up, but they get to see who you really are. And you see them every day for two meals a day. And I'm telling you, I got a lot of dates and probably more than I deserve and probably more than the Theta house wanted. But being a waiter, if you're going through rush, and you're going to be in a. In a fraternity, Go down and apply to be a waiter at one of the sororities that. That you think that you might match up with or hook up with one of the girls in that sorority.

[Tuck]

That's.

[Ben Higgins]

You know what? You're brilliant because the best way to show you care is through service. And what better way to show service?

[Bob Ginny]

That is my love language. I love that.

[Ben Higgins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. He's opening up the door for all these little teenage boys entering into college being like, I gotta apply to serve. And, Brick, you're spot on.

[Brick Rhinestone]

Sounds good, guys. Listen, it was great talking to you. I hope to see those pretty faces very soon. Love you guys.

[Bob Ginny]

I hope so as well.

[Brick Rhinestone]

Yeah.

[Bob Ginny]

Love that guy.

[Ben Higgins]

Yeah. I mean, you can just see it. Brick was one of those guys that all the other fraternity brothers just wanted to be around because he wasn't, like, slimy, you know, he wasn't skeezy. He really did want to make friendships, which I think is very valuable, but also to be a guy that the women go, wow, he's such a good dude.

[Bob Ginny]

Oh, yeah.

[Ben Higgins]

Goodness gracious. He did it. And he just happens to be very handsome. Also, some people have it all. Some people have it all. Some people are the quarterback at Michigan State. Some people gain 75 pounds in college and sit on their couch and just wait for friends to come and sit next to me. Anyways, hey, we have another caller coming up. This caller is another person with a deep tie to Greek life. We're going to talk to him today. Bob, I really want to find out from him. You know, Brick is one of those nice guys.

[Bob Ginny]

Yeah.

[Ben Higgins]

And I think the next one's a nice guy, too. However, I want to know what he doesn't. Didn't like about sororities. Like, I think we need to open this up to give, like, some clarity and context for why some sororities just weren't chosen to party with the cool kids.

[Bob Ginny]

Yeah. Okay. Cool. I like it.

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[Ben Higgins]

Our caller up next is named Tuck. Tuck, obviously from knowing this guy, he was one that made the the rooms brighter. Bob when he walked in, right like the the spirit increased, the energy increased. Tuck, welcome to the podcast. My first question to you is when you think of your most iconic story in college, what comes to mind?

[Tuck]

Probably my best was a lot of stuff with graduation. So when you graduate. So I went To Cal, it's 35,000 people and you have all these schools that you graduate from so it takes like two or three weeks. So you get a gown, you get a cap and you go to your own graduation ceremony but you keep your gown. So I had several people that said hey, come to my graduation and trip and fall down the stairs and all that stuff. And I don't like being told what to do. So I said, sure, I'll go, but I'll do something else. So I went and I joined the economics graduation. I had a bunch of buddies that were in that. It was another graduation. And so I sat through the whole thing. And then you give. You give a card that says your name because they don't know who you are. And so I gave my name as Joey Buttafuoco when, you know, it was the. All that stuff that was going on. So they announced Joey Buttafuoco, and it was like, what did they just say? So it was. I had a lot of fun with the graduation gown. That was. That was a good story.

[Bob Ginny]

That's a commitment. That shows. I mean, you were giving up your time.

[Tuck]

My whole life has been a bit. Yeah, I. I always think about making somebody laugh.

[Bob Ginny]

Mission accomplished.

[Ben Higgins]

The reason we're here today is to. To give some insight into the male perspective on sororities. Looking back at your time at the university, Cal, what sororities stand out to you in your mind of place, of places that you had good memories with?

[Tuck]

Well, I would say PI Fi number one, because I married my present wife. Only wife. She was a PI Fi. I would rank PI Fi probably fourth on houses, but I. I married her nonetheless. Kappas were good. DGs were good. PI fives were probably third, and tried outs were pretty good.

[Ben Higgins]

We have some themes going on here, Bob, don't we? Of similar houses that have been mentioned. Now, from you to Brick to Tuck, we have. We have a theme going on that some houses stand up above the rest. Now, what houses to you, Tuck, maybe you look back on without the fond memories and maybe. Why did some sororities not click with your house while others did?

[Tuck]

Well, I should also say, I don't know that The Kappas or DGs talk to me either. So there. You know, there's a. There's a scale there that should be noted. I have a bad in my brain. Thetas, Thetas are bad. You know, so it's right behind the SAE house. So if you're looking in the backyard, you can see the Theta house, which is bad to begin with. And we had a party with them called Upside Down Margarita party. And it was like in the. I can't remember what it called. The sump or the pit, you know, in the basement where we have this party with girls. It's not above ground, so we always had this party down below. Upside Down Margarita. You can imagine what it was not that that was a bad party. I didn't originate that party, but that was not like Thetas, and that party didn't seem like a good idea.

[Ben Higgins]

The party experience at college, there's a lot of ones that I like, look back on and, you know, it's kind of like the slam your head against the pillow moments where you're like, goodness that could have gone really bad. And a bunch of 20 year olds to 22 year olds with the, you know, the things available to us and we were just kind of let loose. You know, what there was. There's a lot of things that I. I choose to, I think, forget. But overall, Tuck, when you look at your experience in Greek life, is it one that you still look back on with fond memories? You know, we had just a guest on. Brick was telling us that some of his best friends today are still from his fraternity house. He still gets together with them. Obviously it's lasted. He's in his 50s now.

[Bob Ginny]

That long?

[Ben Higgins]

Do you have the same experience?

[Tuck]

Totally.

[Brick Rhinestone]

Yeah.

[Tuck]

First of all, every rule that's in place now for my kids and all the fraternity and sororities, parties, every rule they have, need a wristband. All this stuff, no kegs. All this stuff came from my arrow of all the stuff where somebody died or should have died or can't do this or you can't light this thing on fire. All those rules you can't do was it was bad. You could do whatever you want. But to answer your question, I have probably, you know, text groups of 20, 25 of these folks that I still connect with. We do these parties every Christmas. Lots of people that we still stay in contact with. And I have two or three that are, you know, if something were to happen to me, they would. They would fill in, you know, and play. Play dad for my kids. So very fond memories of these people and. And to me, totally worth it. You're just kind of looking for two or three people out of this thing.

[Bob Ginny]

Yeah.

[Ben Higgins]

Bob Tuck, the final question I have is, and YouTube might be able to explain it to me, I don't understand this term. There's a question here from our producers that asks, did you ever go to a pinning? Did you pin anyone? Is the question, do you guys know what a pinning is?

[Tuck]

Yep. And the answer is no. I think it's silly. But you're basically just saying, hey, we're girlfriend, boyfriend, and let's pin. We're probably gonna get married. We had a couple of those. I think two of them. They both got married, but who cares? I gotta tell you a really good story I got. This is like from a fraternity perspective and Rush. This was probably my, my all time greatest thing that I did pull off there. After a while you get kind of sick of this stuff and you're like, I don't want to do this anymore. You just show up and so you get bored. And so I came up with this idea that I'm going to make up a fictitious person and I'm going to get this person a bid. So every day I would write this person's name and I, you know, I said, whatever. His name is Ben Higgins from Newport Beach, California. Water polo player. And then at night you go through and you talk about these people and they say, okay, Ben Higgins. And so I'm like, oh, yeah, I saw him. What a stud. 6 4, Blonde hair, super strong. He's thinking about going to the next door house. We gotta get him. But this is our guy. And so I kept writing his name down and then trying to show him up, you know, where is he? We gotta meet him. I'm like, he just left. He's in the back doing beer bongs with us and stuff. And ultimately it got to the point that they're like, we don't think that this person exists, you know, So I knew I needed a wingman. So you talked about the people that I, that I made friends with. I reached out to my wingman. I'm like, hey, I'm totally made up this guy's name, but I need you to vouch for me. And everybody loves you. So then somebody says, has anybody else met Ben Higgins? And my buddy raises his hand, he goes, I have. He's a fucking stud. We got it. We got to do everything we can to get this guy in. And I was like, yes. And ultimately this thing got. It failed. Like we didn't actually write a bid, but I almost got an imaginary person to show how silly this is.

[Bob Ginny]

Doc, I got a question for you. So had you gotten down to the final night? We used to have the, you know, the pictures would pop up and we'd be like, okay, this is, you know, you know, John Smith or whatever. So what did you have planned for that in the event that it got to that point? Did you guys do the photos and the whole bit, or was it just name recognition only?

[Tuck]

That's, that's a very intelligent question. We didn't have photos. I mean, again, it's just like a notepad. You sign your name. So I'm 55. So we weren't into the, you know, nobody had phones or cameras. Yeah, no phones there. You know, you just, you just had to kind of wing it. So a lot of it was, hey, we trust you. You're a good person. And I was kind of not doing the best from a trust perspective.

[Bob Ginny]

I think that's classic, though. We, we did Polaroids because you and I are about the same age. So we did Polaroids and we'd pop them up on the screen and, you know, it was kind of like Animal House, right? It was like, you know, that, that picture would pop up and people would throw their drinks at the screen or whatever it might be. You know, it was ridiculous.

[Tuck]

You know those ski masks that have the holes here and then this. So I, I was running around the house like, hey, guys, you know, I gotta run, like, pretending I was a guy. So that was probably the best I could do. So. Good.

[Ben Higgins]

I can't let you get away from here without asking you. You screwed over the fact that you married somebody that you met in college. Can you tell us more about this? And you ranked her house. I hope she listens, as the third or fourth. Let's just put an emphasis on that so you can have a great conversation tomorrow about it. But you met your wife in college. She was a part of a sorority. Can you go into detail?

[Tuck]

Yes, I met her. She's a year younger than me. We went on a couple first dates. I, I, I really liked her. She was cute. She was funny. She laughed at every single thing I did. And so we went to some day party. We went as Roger Rabbit and, and Jessica. And she says that I went home with somebody else, which is a lie. But apparently she didn't, she didn't want to date me too much longer after that. And so then she went out and dated this boy, Ficap, another good house water polo player. He was the best water polo player probably in the country. Cal was really good at water polo player. I would go to his games and I would see her, and I'm like, hey, you going to the water polo game? And she goes, no, why would I? I'm like, because your boyfriend's a pretty big deal. And she had, she didn't care about any of that stuff. And then they broke up. And then we saw her. I saw her coming out of Tahoe, and I was bronze, blonde hair, ripped, you know, every and then. So we went on a date and, and kind of rekindled our relationship and then ultimately got married and had three. Three kids. Two kids. Three kids. Sorry. Better present.

[Bob Ginny]

I always Forget that one.

[Tuck]

Yeah. There's like a middle boy. I have a boy and a girl. I'm sorry. Boy, girl goals. Sorry. Sorry.

[Ben Higgins]

Tuck, you're. You're one of a kind. We appreciate you coming on. Thanks for talking to us today. Thanks for giving us your perspective on Greek life, sorority life, especially here on the Dirty Rush podcast.

[Tuck]

Thank you. Thanks for chatting with me, guys. Bye.

[Bob Ginny]

Bye bye.

[Ben Higgins]

It's been and Bob here with the Dirty Rush podcast. We're having a blast talking to guys about their experiences with sorority life. We're reminiscing, we're learning and we're growing. And we're not done yet. Until next time. I've been Ben.

[Bob Ginny]

I've been Bob.

[Ben Higgins]

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