Dirty Rush: Behind Closed Doors

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod – "Dirty Rush: Behind Closed Doors"

Date: August 30, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge (iHeartPodcasts)
Featured Guests: Gia Giudice (Berkeley Sorority Exec), Daisy Kent (Rutgers alum)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the hosts dive deep into the secrets and pressures of sorority "rush" season—the process of recruiting new members—by bringing in real-life experiences from two insiders. Gia Giudice, currently serving on exec at her university's sorority, and Daisy Kent, a Rutgers alum, reveal what actually happens behind closed doors as houses prepare for recruitment. The focus is on the logistics, emotional challenges, meticulous planning, and unspoken rules of rush, especially as colleges across the country enter the thick of the recruitment season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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The Work Behind Rush Preparation

[03:16 – 06:03]

• Early Move-in & Daily Schedule:
  Gia explains that sorority executive boards arrive a week before regular members to run daily 9-to-5 drills, teaching new members all rituals and processes for every rush round: unity, sisterhood, philanthropy, and preference ("pref").

  • "For the past eight days, it’s basically been like a 9-to-5 job teaching all of our new members the rituals for each round and kind of how it works." – Gia Giudice, 03:16

• Bump Groups Explained:
  Daisy reminisces about her time organizing and being part of "bump groups"—mini-teams ensuring that no one member is left stuck with a potential new member (PNM) too long during house tours.

  • "You mess it up, like you might be stuck talking to the same girl for the entire 40-minute round." – Gia Giudice, 04:43

• No Phones Allowed:
  Gia highlights the strict policy of no cellphones during recruitment, meaning all planning must be memorized or written down ahead of time.

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The Science (and Stress) of "Bump Groups"

[06:26 – 07:43]

• Strategic Construction:
  Bump groups are carefully crafted for balance: not too many similar personalities, hometowns, or grades; diversity is integral to avoid bias toward PNMs from within.

  • "It’s the different personalities, the different locations, different majors, all that type of stuff." – Gia Giudice, 06:47

• "Knowing Someone" Dilemma:
  Both women discuss the awkwardness when a PNM knows an active member. Should it be acknowledged, or kept under wraps?

  • "As a PNM, when you’re going into a house, if you know someone from your hometown... do I acknowledge that I know them? Am I not supposed to? What if I have to talk to them?" – Gia Giudice, 07:43

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Strict Rules & Secrets

[08:01 – 09:20]

• Taboo Topics:
  PNMs and actives are forbidden from openly discussing parties, boys, or social life—which is especially tricky when friends interview each other.

  • "You’re not allowed to talk about going out and social life and boys... it's so difficult when you're standing there and you know the person..." – Daisy Kent, 08:01

• Fines for Infractions:
  Even taking something as innocuous as a napkin from the house can result in significant fines.

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Intense Preparation: More than Meets the Eye

[12:19 – 13:18]

• Stakes for Executive Board:
  The executive team works tirelessly all summer, planning every aspect—from party flows to wall scrubbing—to ensure the house is immaculate and well-organized.

  • "So much more preparation than just memorizing party flows. You have to clean up your house... check everyone’s room to make sure they look acceptable and clean." – Gia Giudice, 12:37

• House Tours:
  New members are coached on which rooms to showcase and which to avoid (definitely not the bathrooms or laundry room!).

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The Anatomy of a Rush Week

[16:38 – 19:18]

Gia and Daisy walk through a day-by-day breakdown of the rush process:

1. Unity Round (First Two Days):
   • All PNMs visit every house (approx. 13 at Berkeley, similar at Rutgers), each round lasting 35 minutes.
   • Speed-dating format; actives vote after each party.
2. Sisterhood Round (One Day):
   • PNMs visit fewer houses, engage in longer, more meaningful conversations and house tours.
   • "This is where you’re getting to know our house and how our sisterhood is in general." – Gia Giudice, 17:47
3. Philanthropy Round:
   • More personalized discussions; houses fine-tune matches for fit.
   • "As each round goes on and on, they get longer and longer, and you’re having more personable, personalized, intimate conversations..." – Gia Giudice, 18:17
4. Preference Night ("Pref"):
   • The most crucial and emotionally charged round: "your time to shine".
   • Only the remaining top PNMs return; frank conversations about the real sorority experience happen here.
   • Suicide bidding (only listing one house) is strongly discouraged, as it can reduce chances for both parties.

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Culture, Pressure, and Authenticity

[19:18 – 23:31]

• Steep Drop-Off:
  The transition from philanthropy to pref sees more than half of returning PNMs cut, raising stakes for both sides.
• Breaking Script at Pref:
  Gia and Daisy reveal that by the final round, many houses drop pretenses—open conversations, including previously banned topics, become fair game to allow PNMs to see the “real” sorority.
  • "If you bend the rules a little bit, they feel connected to you and ... it just gives more of the transparent vibe that like, what you see is what you’re going to get." – Gia Giudice, 23:11
• Advice to Actives:
  Daisy's closing guidance: the most important parts of recruitment are learning your bump groups and being your authentic self.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 03:16 | "For the past eight days, it’s basically been like a 9-to-5 job teaching all of our new members the rituals for each round and kind of how it works." | Gia Giudice | | 04:43 | "You mess it up, like you might be stuck talking to the same girl for the entire 40-minute round." | Gia Giudice | | 06:47 | "It’s the different personalities, the different locations, different majors, all that type of stuff." | Gia Giudice | | 07:43 | "As a PNM, when you’re going into a house, if you know someone from your hometown... do I acknowledge that I know them? Am I not supposed to?" | Gia Giudice | | 08:01 | "You’re not allowed to talk about going out and social life and boys... it's so difficult when you're standing there and you know the person..." | Daisy Kent | | 12:37 | "So much more preparation than just memorizing party flows. You have to clean up your house... check everyone’s room to make sure they look acceptable and clean." | Gia Giudice | | 18:27 | "As each round goes on and on, they get longer and longer, and you’re having more personable, personalized, intimate conversations with the PNM." | Gia Giudice | | 23:11 | "If you bend the rules a little bit, they feel connected to you and ... it just gives more of the transparent vibe that like, what you see is what you’re going to get." | Gia Giudice |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:16] – Gia details 9-to-5 training and the prep week for sorority execs
• [04:43] – Daisy and Gia share “bump group” mishaps
• [06:47] – The art of building strategic bump groups
• [07:43] – Navigating old friendships and awkward familiarities during rush
• [08:01] – What you can’t talk about—and all the delicate rules
• [12:37] – The real labor of preparing a sorority house for rush
• [16:38] – Step-by-step: what each rush day looks like
• [18:27] – How conversations get deeper with each round
• [23:11] – Authenticity as the final recruitment “secret”

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Episode Takeaways

• Sorority recruitment is not just glitz or chit-chat—it’s strategic, labor-intensive, and emotionally demanding.
• “Bump groups” are a meticulously engineered system vital to how houses present themselves and interact with potential new members.
• Authenticity, adaptability, and rule-bending—especially in the final rounds—help crest the divide between performance and true connection.
• Both Gia and Daisy stress that while rules exist to ensure fairness, the best results come from presenting the real, unvarnished sorority experience.

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This episode offers an eye-opening, honest, and sometimes humorous look behind the scenes of sorority life—informative for former Greeks, PNMs, and curious outsiders alike.

Transcript

[Gia Giudice]

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[Gia Giudice]

Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about.

[Daisy Kent]

Sorority life with your hosts, me, Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Dirty Rush. Rush is going around all over the country, so we want to tell you guys what goes in to. To the preparation of rush before it begins. Candice is going to tell us about the pre rush process. She is starting rush tomorrow, so she is going to tell us about all the preparation that she's been doing to get ready to bring in these pnm.

[Gia Giudice]

Hi, I'm on exec in my sorority at Berkeley. So we've been here for the last eight days. We move in one day earlier than the rest of the members of my sorority and basically we run through every single day of sorority recruitment. So we have like the first two days that we call unity, the second day, which is the sisterhood round, third, philanthropy, pref. All that type of stuff. Yes. For the past eight days, it's basically been like a 9 to 5 job teaching all of our new members the rituals for each round and kind of how it works. Teaching them about bump groups.

[Daisy Kent]

Oh my God. Bump groups brings me back. I literally wrote it on my hand, like my name, my, my, like my group's name. And I would cross out like each name and then I would be like, okay, so I. You would associate yourself by number. Is that how you guys do it? Like for your bum group? Okay, by letter. So we did it by number. So it was like 1, 2, 3. Typically, like, what, there's three or four people to a bump bump group? And so it would be like, okay, Gia, you're after Michaela. And then there's Avery. And then, okay, then one is gonna bump three and then now three is gonna bump two. And I would, I would just. They would look at me and I'd.

[Gia Giudice]

Be like, okay, it's my time to go out locations. It's like blue couch by left door behind composite outside. So you just have to remember every single part and you mess it up. Like you might be stuck talking to the same girl for the entire 40 minute round. So hopefully it all goes to plan. But it's basically been a 9 to 5 job for the last seven days, of course.

[Daisy Kent]

And then I feel like you could also, you know, rely on the other people in your group to kind of help you out and to kind of guide you. But I love the hand System. You just write a little. Write some stuff on your hand.

[Gia Giudice]

Gosh, I feel like I would let it off. I literally be dripping down my arm. I'd be sweating it off. I get so nervous with that type of stuff. It's just like, internal dialogue or even.

[Daisy Kent]

Like, reminders on your phone. Like, okay, now go to here and.

[Gia Giudice]

But they actually take away our phones during recruitment. So, like, if you wanted to sneak your phone, like, in, like, the shorts that you're wearing under your dress, like, that would be a major no. No. So they make us, like, leave our phones in, like, a basket in the kitch. So you read that sheet once of where you need to be and the girl that you're talking to, and then you better remember it, or else you're gonna mess it up.

[Daisy Kent]

Yeah, we. I don't remember if we got our phones taken away. That's crazy. I don't remember.

[Gia Giudice]

So you're boneless the entire day for all of the rounds, so hopefully you get to catch up with everyone afterwards but you. Yeah. There's no time in between.

[Daisy Kent]

I feel like the biggest thing is getting those bump groups down.

[Gia Giudice]

Oh, my gosh. Seriously? And then I feel like the people who are crafting these bum groups, it is so meticulous. It's like, you want the same. You can't have the same type of personality in the same group. You don't want the same grade. Coincidentally, like, one of the people in my bum group is from my same hometown, which was probably over.

[Daisy Kent]

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[Gia Giudice]

It's the different personalities, the different locations, different majors, all that type of stuff.

[Daisy Kent]

Because you're supposed to go into it kind of blind. And especially going to Rutgers and being from New Jersey. Ruck Ruckers is Big ten in Jersey. So everyone knew everyone. So it was so difficult. There were some of my best friends in my sorority that were from my hometown. And then you just have the surrounding towns from my town that also went to Rutgers. Like, Rutgers was flooded with people from my town. Fairfield, East Hanover. So many surrounding towns that were near my town. And you just hear of familiar faces and people, and this one knows this one. So, like, small world. Everyone knows everyone. And it was super difficult. I give whoever does those bump groups a lot of credit.

[Gia Giudice]

Seriously. And then as a pnm, when you're going into a house, if you know someone from your hometown, it's that whole thing of, like, do I acknowledge that I know them? Am I not supposed to acknowledge that I know them?

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[Gia Giudice]

What if I have to talk to them? Am I Supposed to. Because I feel like I'm saying, like, oh, that person's from my hometown. There is.

[Daisy Kent]

And then if you know this person, you also have to monitor what you're saying to them, because during rush, you know, you're not allowed to talk about going out and social life and boys. And it's so difficult when you're standing there and you know the person and you're going to be like, so how's your chem class going? When it's like, you know, you're already on such a different level, where you're almost like. You almost get like, I don't know. I feel like when that happens, you're almost like, okay, screw the questions like, how's. How. How was the mixer yesterday? Like, are you enjoying your freshman year?

[Gia Giudice]

Yes, if they're chill, definitely. I can't imagine having the same traditional conversation with someone you already know. But because Cal is largely in state, I mean, obviously we have international out of state, but people are from California, so you're going to know people. And it's just that whole thing of like, do I acknowledge that I know you, or do I acknowledge I know your friend? And then you risk giving that member, like, a weird vibe that, like, you know someone here so you think you might belong.

[Daisy Kent]

Well, 100%. Because then when you also get into things like that, you don't want to give the potential new members false hope. And then that's when it gets very difficult and tricky.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. I feel like there's just been all of these crazy rules that we've been having to remind all of our new members as they go through this work week of, like, you can't let them take anything out of the house. You can't let them take a napkin, even if they used it. Like, everything has to stay in because it's. We would get such a large fine for it. So you can't really do anything.

[Daisy Kent]

No, definitely. I completely agree. Do you want to talk about maybe each day?

[Gia Giudice]

Sure.

[Daisy Kent]

Because I feel like the bump groups. No matter. Like, the bump groups are the most important part. I feel like to preparing the newest class is typically responsible, but sometimes I feel like I did it my junior year as well. And I want to say even my senior year.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. So pretty much all of our active members participate in rush.

[Daisy Kent]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

They're mixing evenly. So. So for the last seven days, we've been going through how to bump correctly. We've been going through run throughs of each day. So typically on the first two days are the days where the piano get to talk to the most amount of girls.

[Daisy Kent]

That's like the biggest speed dating day I feel. What is it? It's like, is it five minute rounds?

[Gia Giudice]

So the entire round, I believe, is 35 minutes, but you're talking to four girls and you need to a lot time to come into the house for the girls to do the chant or whatever, and time for them to leave because if you're late, PHC will find you. So it's like Drill Sergeant, day by day. And so for the last seven days, we've spent spending the entire day going through each party. So, like, we'll do a unity, we'll do a sisterhood day, we'll do a filo day, we'll do pref. And we just repeat those over and over and over. And it's almost like Drill Sergeant, our VP of recruitment, she's awesome, but she definitely has to be stern and strict. But also I feel like, because recruitment is about to start, obviously the dry period is upon us. And so I feel like everyone was really eager to go out every night and be active in the social scene before they could no longer. And so, like, a lot of people are showing up a little bit hungover, but at least they're having a good time.

[Daisy Kent]

No, definitely. Because then while recruitment is going on, nobody can go out, nobody can drink. And then that's a big risk for even your potential new members because while they're going through the rush process, they also need to participate in dry week as well as members that are already in sororities. So it's pretty dry on campus. I feel like for that week, or for at least whoever participates in Greek life, seriously.

[Gia Giudice]

And I feel like even if you were to like, drop something off at your boyfriend's house, if you lived at a frat, if someone got a picture of you, you would be totally done for. I feel like everyone's super strict about that and they want to hold other sororities to the rule. So I feel like you're always looking over your shoulder, being like, I really hope no one sees me. Or like no one takes this out of context.

[Daisy Kent]

No, a hundred percent. 100%. There definitely is a lot that goes into it. And the people on the back end, especially exec, who are really deep diving, planning each day, making sure everything is coordinated. It's a lot of pressure.

[Gia Giudice]

Seriously. I feel like all of our exec has been working all summer to get this all prepped. Especially like our VP of recruitment. Yeah. And so she is living and breathing recruitment. And even our house manager. Like we have a whole day dedicated to scrubbing the walls with like Mr. Clean magic erasers to get rid of the scuffs, to like mow the lawn, to get rid of the leaves. Like I feel like there's so much more preparation than just memorizing party flows. You have to clean up your house. You have to check everyone's room to make sure they look acceptable and clean. There's just so many things that we.

[Daisy Kent]

All Then there's the house tours and everything.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. Teaching the new members who haven't done the house tours what rooms to show, what rooms not to show. Definitely don't take them by the bathrooms. They don't need to see the laundry room. Like yeah, he wouldn't even think about. So there's definitely a lot of preparation that we've been doing. Before all the algorithm Fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more, well, fun. But here's a confession. Dirty Rush listeners, you can find that fun feeling again on ebay. It's not mindless scrolling, it's a fashion pursuit. I love using filters for condition and price saving searches and spotting verified listings. It makes shopping feel smart and exciting again. And when you saw that rare Adidas Collab or that Dior saddlebag you've been manifesting, it's a rush. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay's authenticity guarantee. EBay Things people love Support for the.

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[Daisy Kent]

Do you kind of want to walk through each day and kind of just explain what each day looks like during the recruit. During recruitment?

[Gia Giudice]

Yes.

[Daisy Kent]

And then kind of like explain like what preparation is like mainly instilled for each day?

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. So the way that Berkeley does recruitment is our first day of recruitment is on the first day of classes, which is today. So today the PNM's are meeting with their Rokais, meeting the rest of their group, kind of getting acclimated, but they're not actually visiting any of the houses. That happens tomorrow and the next day, which is called the unity round. So the unity round, the way that Berkeley does it is they get to go to every single house. It's split up over two days because I believe we have about 13 houses.

[Daisy Kent]

I think Rutgers had about the same.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. So it's about 35 minute parties. Every girl has to go into every single house. You're talking to about four girls. It's very, very quick. It's the speed dating round. After each round, each collegian will go and vote on their PNM on an online platform. And then it's just round after round after round. So after those first two days of unity days, we'll get callbacks for Sisterhood round. So that round is only one day. I feel like most PNM's go to six or eight houses. That's like the maximum that you can get. And that is the day that we do our house tours. So you're mostly talking to two girls on this day. Much longer conversations. They're getting to know you better, you're getting to know our House kind of how our sisterhood is in general, how strong it is. And then after all of those rounds, we're voting as well. So then, callbacks for the third day, our philanthropy round. As each round goes on and on, they get longer and longer, and you're having more personable, personalized, intimate conversations with the pnm. It's not as speed dating as unity.

[Daisy Kent]

Exactly. And as each round goes on, if you are forming a connection with this person, let's just say that you have talked to now since day one. So then, prep round is the last round where you will talk to this girl for 45 minutes, and this is like your time to shine. Like, you have to seal the deal on getting this girl during that round, because she's either going to pick this your sorority or another one, or she could suicide bid, which is obviously really scary because the sorority also needs to want you to. So during that whole thing, the last round, philanthropy round is really the round where you are trying to grab the girls that you want.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. And there is such a steep drop off from philanthropy to pref night. You have to basically cut the girls that you have returning in half, if not more. And so the girls coming back on pref, we are assuming we 100% want them. If you're back on pref, you, it's because we want you, and we're trying to gauge if you want us. And then on pref, you're talking to a girl you've talked to in a different round. It's very, very rare that you would ever be pressed by somebody you hadn't talked to in an earlier round. So that also goes into matching. So after you vote on a pnm, you can write in your notes, hey, I think she would do great with blah, blah, blah. So it's never a coincidence after those first few rounds who you talk to, because we're actively thinking about who, as a sister, you would be compatible with and who could get you to join the house. So after pref, I mean, pretty much all the rules are out the window. It depends sorority by sorority. But the way that my sorority does is no questions off the table. Obviously, there's things that you're told to avoid during the other rounds of recruitment. You're not supposed to talk about boys. You're not supposed to talk about parties. You're not supposed to talk about politics, all the things people tell you not to talk about. But I feel like on pref, you want them to have a transparent view of what the sorority is and actually know what they're getting into. And so if it's really not for them, then they don't join, and they end up joining the house that's better for them. And, like, the way that Berkeley PHC talks about suicide bidding is like, it should never, ever, ever happen, because I believe it moves you down lower on the house's list. So they could still want you, but for some reason, it interferes because you didn't rank both houses. So we always tell people, like, even if, you know you want this one house and you really, really don't want the other one to still rank the second house second, because it helps your chances of getting into the house that you want to be in. But I'm not sure if it's that way everywhere.

[Daisy Kent]

Yeah, I mean, Rutgers does not recommend it either to suicide bid, but I don't think I've ever heard that, which is interesting. But then, I mean, that makes total sense, because sometimes people who suicide bid and then don't get the sorority they want, and then later on find out that the sorority actually did want them, but then something got messed up in the computer system at that point. It's like, almost too little too late. And then you need to hope that they'll offer you a cob in the future. So it definitely does get sticky. It's definitely not recommended at all to suicide bid, like, at all. But. Yeah, but that's also interesting that you guys say all bets off the table during pref round, because when I. But also, I think it was kind of, like, an unspoken rule at that point, especially at Rutgers, like, okay, we made it through this entire thing. You're also talking to this girl now for longer periods of time. Each round, by pref round, it's like, okay, we need to spice it up a little bit. Like, this is getting a little boring. I need to start talking to this girl about some fun things and just fun activities instead of just asking her, like, what she wants to do with her life. So, I mean, I totally get that. And I feel like I also navigated more towards being open with the girls that I was prepping because you want them to also know that they're gonna have a great time, and there is a lot of, you know, fun moments in the house, and it's not always so serious. And we don't always have to be so, you know, politically correct while speaking to them during recruitment.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes.

[Daisy Kent]

Because then you almost, like. You almost start to feel like a robot. It's like, oh, my God, I'm. I'm talking about the same thing over and over and over again.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. And the P M's can definitely tell when you're holding back or you're not saying what you want to say or you're having a very surface level conversation. So I feel like if you bend the rules a little bit, they feel connected to you and they feel connected to the house and it just gives more of the transparent vibe that like what you see is what you're going to get and you're going to be.

[Daisy Kent]

Happy with it 100%. Yeah guys. So the biggest thing during the recruitment process, if you are training for recruitment right now, is definitely your bump groups. Your bump groups determine your entire routine during recruitment and then it just comes down to being your authentic self and winning these girls to choose your sorority.

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