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Hey, guys, and welcome back to another week of Dirty Rug. We already went through the rush process with you guys, but now we're gonna get into what life is like after the rush process. We're gonna dive into what it's like to be a pledge in a sorority. And here we have Ava with us. She is going to tell us her pledge story.
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Guest 1
Hi.
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Guest 2
So I went to a small school in Connecticut, a small private school, and our rush was very similar to everything you guys spoke about before. You know, you saw the different sororities. The rush for us was the easy part. We basically, like, went into different rooms. You met the girls, you know, you got to know them, you had conversations, and then you got a bid. So the sorority that I got a bid for was a. Was a Jewish sorority. And the easy part was the rushing. And once you got a bid, it was crazy. So some of the things, like, instantly there were. I think there were like eight or nine of us.
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Host 2
Oh, so very. Your pledge class was very small.
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Guest 2
Really, really small.
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Host 2
Do you mind, like, you don't have to. Of course, but do you mind disclosing maybe what sorority you were in or.
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Host 1
Yeah, sure.
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Guest 2
I was in a. Oh, okay. I mean, very.
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Host 2
A very well known sorority, though.
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Guest 2
Very well known sorority. A really great sorority, you know, But I think our school did things a little bit differently, maybe because it was smaller. This was also back in 2000, like, early 2000s.
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Host 2
Okay, got it.
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Guest 2
Yeah. So we kind of pledged like, a fraternity. We were hazed from day one. So the second you got your bid and you accepted, you had to get a backpack, and in your backpack, you had to carry a brick the entire time, which was. Sounds like, oh, that's kind of strange. But that was nothing. You had to carry a brick. You had to carry, like, a Ziploc with anything that one of the sisters could want, you had to have in that Ziploc at all times. So that could be, like, cigarettes, hair things, chapstick, whatever.
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Host 2
So you were like their assistant.
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Guest 2
We. We were definitely like their assistant.
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Host 2
I want. I want to say you were like their. But I don't know if that's allowed.
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Guest 2
We were fully there. Like, we had to. At the drop of a hat, if we got a phone call or a text from them, we had to leave whatever we were doing to either. There were so many things, like, if they.
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Host 2
Yeah, that is kind of crazy, because that does give fraternity.
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Host 1
It's.
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Host 2
Yeah. Because even my freshman year of College. It was me and my roommate, and her boyfriend at the time was rushing, and he would receive phone calls at, like, 4:00am, 1:00am because he would sleep over in the dorms all the time. And that gives very frat, like, rather than sorority life, because that didn't happen to me. And we rushed at the same time.
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Guest 2
And, like, once you hear everything that I'm going to say, the fraternities had it 10 times worse. So, like, we had it bad, but the fraternities had it way worse.
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Host 1
Wow. Yeah.
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Guest 2
So, okay, so some of the things we had to do for them at the drop of a hat was park their cars on campus, pick them up from the bars at any time of the night, clean their rooms. We had to. So our campus, like, the. Some of the dorms were, like, apartments. So they would say, I want Cheetos right now. And you would have to steal from other people's dorm rooms. Like, you'd have to go in and out, running in and out of people's dorm rooms and steal whatever food they wanted. Yeah. It was crazy.
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Host 2
And, like, oh, my God. So it's not like you went to the store.
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Guest 2
Your room could have been the store. It was like, I want chocolate chip cookies. Go find them. Like, I want them. You have to be back here in three minutes. So, yeah, I mean, that was. You know, we had to. But like I said, we had to drive around, clean their apartments, do their homework and papers.
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Host 2
Wow.
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Guest 2
And again, that was the easy stuff.
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Host 2
How long was your pledging process?
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Guest 2
It was around six weeks, so it was a while. And during that time, you had to be there. You could not be anywhere else. So, like, as it got worse, as it went on, we went into hell week, which was, like, the last week of pledging, even before hell Week, actually. One of the things that we had to do was, like, they would say, sizzle like bacon. So you would have to drop to the floor and sizzle, and then they'd say, flip over. And you'd have to, like, it's just, like, embarrassing, you know?
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
I mean, if. What are you, like, squirming on the ground?
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Guest 2
And, like, they would have fraternities come in and they would tell you to sizzle like bacon. And it was just, like, demeaning, you know?
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Host 2
Yeah, of course. I mean, especially when the frat guys come in, it's like, probably guys that you were, like, you know, interested in or thought were cute, and then they're watching you, like, squeal on the ground.
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Guest 2
That's embarrassing. And, like, they would. You had to. They would like, test you. So you had to know, like, the Greek Alphabet. You had to know the Greek Alphabet. And they would light a match and hold it upside down. And if you would have to say the Greek Alphabet correctly before it burned them. And then if it burned them, then, like, all hell broke loose. You were yelled at. There were punishments, like, physical punishments, like push ups, jumping jacks. You would have to sit against the wall.
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Host 2
Like real you in boot camp. Like what I know.
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Guest 2
Exactly. It was like we were in boot camp. So then as we, so our. We didn't have houses. We had basements. So the basement of the dorms had our room, our 85 room. So that was like our house.
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Host 2
Interesting. So, like, so that the school could. So like Panhell could like, monitor it in a way.
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Guest 2
Not at all. Because there was no monitoring.
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Host 2
Okay.
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Guest 2
Just because we were such a small school and there were no houses. So they just gave each of us a room.
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Host 2
That's interesting because I know a lot of like, other like, because I don't, I don't know what's. If you don't. I mean, I, I, if you don't mind sharing, I totally up to you. But I know the other smaller schools in Connecticut, like Fairfield or Sacred Heart. Actually, I don't even think Fairfield had Greek life, if I'm not wrong. But Sacred Heart, they had, like, rocks. Rocks, like, represented their sorority, but I don't think they had anywhere to go.
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Guest 2
Yeah, we had like a dingy, old, dusty basement room that's crazy old carpet.
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Host 2
So you had like chapter and stuff in there.
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Guest 2
Exactly. We had chapter in there. But so what happened was during Hell week, they took away all of our keys to our dorm rooms. We weren't allowed to shower or go to our dorm rooms. And so we would have to sleep in the chapter room in the basement for a week. For a week. But they told us, you're not allowed to sleep. And they're like, we have cameras. You can't go in the back room. So for a week we. And you weren't allowed to sit on the couches when you were pledging. So we would have to lay on the floor and, like, use our backpacks as pillows. And so that was the one time in my life where we survived on Adderall. We all took Adderall.
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Host 2
I could only imagine.
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Guest 2
So remember, if you don't have a dorm room, you don't have a shower. So you were not allowed to shower. And what they would do is they would come in and they would put like, all different condiments in our hair. Like, ketchup, mayo, mustard. Like, disgusting, smelly stuff.
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Host 2
Well, and I've heard about this within, like, fraternities, but I've never heard this with sororities before, ever.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Guest 2
So we would have to walk around, like, I washed my hair in a public bathroom, like, in a sink one time just to, like, try the smell. Like, I can still smell it. Imagine, like, mayo, mustard, ketchup in your hair.
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Host 2
No, that's mortifying. And then going to class, I wouldn't even show up.
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Host 1
Like that.
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Guest 2
Yeah. And not sleeping. That on top of not sleeping.
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Sponsor Voice 3
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Host 2
How are you even focusing? Everyone's looking at you throughout campus, probably thinking you smell. But, like, because your campus was a smaller school, did they knew that? Like, they knew that this was happening to you?
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Guest 2
Everyone knew, like, this is what happens when you go through the process. And, like, it was, like, a medal of honor.
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Host 2
I mean. Yeah, I. I would have. I would have given you a medal of honor. This is, like, reminding me of Special.
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Guest 2
Forces, which I love, by the way. I'm watching it.
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Host 2
Oh, thank you.
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Guest 2
But, yeah, I mean, it. There were many times where, like, we. The six of us would just say, like, that's it. We're done.
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Host 1
What?
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Host 2
Were you allowed to drop out?
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Guest 2
I mean, yeah, if you remember, it was such a small school. You dropped out, that was it for you. Like, there was no coming back. Yeah.
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Host 2
Everyone would have known.
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Guest 2
Yeah. And, like, those five girls, like, they were my best friends. Like, those were my people.
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Host 2
I mean, after going through that, you're, like, trauma bonded.
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Guest 2
No, for sure. Like, I mean, the things, like, if we wanted to drink water, we'd have to, like, meow and drink from, like, a dirty water bowl on the ground. Like, really disgusting.
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Host 2
That's crazy.
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Guest 2
Yeah.
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Host 2
But did things turn around after this? Like, so after they basically just treated you, like, horribly and completely? Basically, they. At the end of the day, they were basically trying to make you feel like a shell of a person. Like, make you feel like nothing.
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Guest 2
Like, you had to feel like you went through it and you deserved. After everything, like, you deserve to be there because they all went through it. So they. So if you didn't go through it, you didn't deserve to be with these people?
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Host 2
Yeah. I mean, the worst I've ever heard was sitting on a washer or dryer naked. But who knows if that's even true? I mean, maybe because the things that you're telling me right now, I actually can't even fathom that this happened to you.
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Guest 2
They stayed One of my pledgesisters one night, and we had to go on a scavenger hunt to find her, and she was wasted. Crying, like, they got her beyond wasted.
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Host 2
That's so scary, because that happened at the school that I went to, and the pledge ended up dead. So, you know, it's like that stuff gets very crazy because that's when, you know, sororities and fraternities, I think, get a little out of hand and, like, never know when enough is enough. And then at the. And then ultimately take it too far. Maybe they don't mean to, but, like, then it's like they look at it as a game, and it's pure entertainment until it's not.
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Guest 2
Well, that's what it was for. For the sisters. It was, like, funny for them to watch us go through it, even though they had gone through it before and felt the same way as us.
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Host 2
Yeah, well, it was almost like he, he, he. This is my enjoyment because I went through this, and now you're going to.
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Guest 2
Suffer like I did after my pledge class. It wasn't the same. Like, they. No one was hazed that hard anymore.
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Guest 1
Like, the.
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Guest 2
Our year was, like, kind of the last year that it happened. It just got, like, less and less because they did. You know, people started catching on, and they were getting in trouble for it.
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Host 2
So then the schools found out.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Guest 2
Yeah. But, like, it was. It was rough. You know, These are things that I really had to, like, spend some time and think about, because once you go through it, you, like, wipe it from your brain.
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Host 2
Oh, for sure.
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Guest 2
And also, like, once we were in, I wanted nothing to do with these girls.
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Host 2
I mean, yeah, it's like, screw you.
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Guest 2
I ended up not really taking part in anything.
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Host 2
Okay.
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Guest 2
Just like, what's wrong with these people that they could treat us like that? And then they think we're their friends, you know? Like, it was just. I only. I. Right now, I. Only one of my pledges is still one of my very close friends, but otherwise, I don't really speak to anybody for my sorority.
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Host 2
So you went through the whole process and then ended up really not even being an active member in your sorority?
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Guest 2
Exactly.
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Host 2
I mean, I understand it, though. You were probably just so turned off by, like, the whole thing.
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Guest 2
They were mean girls. Like, they were just mean girls. You know, we were their entertainment. And then it's like, you know, you get, like, mind, and then you're expected to just go to parties with them. And that's not how I operate. So I was just kind of like, these are not my People.
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Host 2
Oh, yeah. I mean, I totally get that. And then for the following year, you were. So were you affiliated with your sorority all four years?
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Guest 2
I was affiliated, but I didn't really go to anything. But like I said, it was a small school, so it's like you kind of didn't have a choice.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
So then when it came to rush the next year, did you. You obviously had to participate in the Russian pledging process because you were in the sorority.
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Guest 2
At some point, I did end up being assistant pledge mom.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Guest 2
But doing it very different.
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Host 2
So you kind of were like, I am turning this leaf and I am not doing what they did to me to these new girls.
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Guest 2
However, they did kick me out halfway because I didn't go to one of their events. So I started out as the assistant pledge mom, and then they took it away from me.
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Host 2
Got it.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Guest 2
Which was fine.
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Host 2
Yeah. I mean, at least you were trying to make a difference.
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Guest 2
I. I just don't. Like, I have a daughter, and I just can't imagine knowing that she was going through something like this.
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Host 2
No. 100%.
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Guest 2
Like, you lose all self respect. And for what?
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Host 2
Really, for what, though? You know, I mean, at the end of the day, and even when I was at school, yes, sorority life was so fun and you get to meet so many people, but once you do that, I don't know, it. It comes to a point where you don't know if this is even worth it anymore because you have your people already, right?
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Guest 2
I had my people, my pledge sisters. The six of us were super close. And that was really all I needed after that.
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Host 2
Well, Ava, I'm so sorry that happened to you. That's like the most horrible pledge story I've ever heard from a sorority in my life.
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Guest 2
I listen to your stories on here and I'm like, wow, that's such a nice experience.
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Host 2
Like, you're like, that's light work. This is nothing compared to what I went through.
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Guest 2
I had a cousin who was in a sorority at usc and it was like we got letters from our sisters and gifts from our bags and this and.
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Guest 3
Oh yeah.
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Host 2
I mean, we didn't experience any of that at Rutgers. I mean, the most haze worthy thing we experienced was big little night when like, our bigs were supposed to get us like really drunk. But it wasn't in a malicious way. It was like, okay, if you got too drunk, your big would take care of you. Like, it wasn't to make you feel less than yourself or it was purely to have a fun night. So that's A lot.
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Guest 2
Yeah. I mean, the night that we got in, it was like, do I go back and sleep and wash my hair? Or, like, do I go out with everyone and party and like, you were exhausted. You know, you were exhausted. You were gross. Your hair, I mean, your hair takes. Imagine a week of like, mayo, mustard, stuff in your hair. It's like so much time to recover from that.
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Host 2
Oh, yeah. I mean, you probably also just felt so mentally drained. It was a week of not sleeping, constantly taking Adderall to keep your. To keep you awake, and just constant torture. You were so mentally exhausted by the time that was over, I would have wanted to shower and lay in my bed and not move for a week. So I give you a lot of credit.
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Guest 2
Let's use dishwasher soap on your hair. Like, that's what they said. They're like, go get like dawn dawn soap. And that's how you.
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Host 2
Because it would have been that hard to get out without, like, normal.
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Guest 2
Yeah, just like, gross. And not something I would ever sign up for again, that's for sure.
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Host 2
Oh, my God. Well, Ava, thank you so much for telling your story and coming on to Dirty Rush. I am happy that you found your happiness after pledging and that that was not going to define you. So kudos to you.
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Guest 2
Thanks for having me. And I. I'm happy listening to everyone's fun stories on here. So you guys are doing a great job.
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Host 2
I think you're taking it home. I don't know.
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Host 2
Hi Paige and welcome to Dirty Rush. I am so excited to hear your pledge story.
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Host 1
I'm excited to tell you about them. Quite funny. Oh them.
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Host 2
There's.
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Host 1
Oh there's a multitude. Yeah. Okay. I was a new member at and this was about a year ago because we're doing big little stuff right now and I'm getting super reminiscent about all of it. Oh wow.
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Host 2
Okay. So you're a sophomore.
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Host 1
Yes, I'm a sophomore.
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Host 2
Oh that's awesome.
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Host 1
And my big so if you don't know a lot about big little stuff. It's very like, oh, you're like, getting introduced to the sorority. And in my case, it was like my third week of college. Like, I just had gotten there.
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Host 2
Oh, I know. And then you're going on, like, speed dating with all these girls and having this crazy experience and trying to act like you're gonna find your best friend in a minute.
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Host 1
Exactly. The best idealized version of yourself. But anyways, a lot of the bigs, it's this whole kind of mantra of, like, showering their littles with, like, gifts.
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Host 2
And like, lots of love and like, old apparel and anything like that.
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Host 1
My Big had a little bit of a spin on her, how she was embracing me into her community. And it came in the form of like, a bunch of asks the nights leading up to, like, our big little reveal. I have a list of them so that I didn't forget any. She was friends with a lot of the presidents in various, like, rats and sororities, which, once again, I'm like freshly 18 at a brand new school of like 40,000 people. And I was like, this is a lot.
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Host 2
Yeah, of course. And especially if she knew everyone, she could easily, like, I know in that moment you were probably like, okay, this girl can ruin my life if I don't do what she wants me to do or ruin my social life. Like, I totally get it.
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Host 1
But I went. My first one was reading a limerick to the Fiji president.
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Host 2
Reading a what?
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Host 1
A limerick. It's a type of poem.
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Host 2
I don't know. I was like, what is that?
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Host 1
It was hilarious. It was like 9pm and she's like, you have 15 minutes to write this and perform this for him outside of his house. I didn't know who he was. I didn't know where this frat was or, like, how I was getting in contact with him, but thanks to Instagram, DMs made it all work. And then along those lines, there's also performing a happy birthday ballad to the PI Phi president, which I had gotten dropped from PI Fi the first day of rush. So that was a little knife to the heart.
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Host 2
Oh, my God. But wait, so she made you, like, go around to other sororities too and do this?
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Host 1
Yes. Yeah, this was a whole Greek event. It was. It was great, though.
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Host 2
I feel like that's a little strange, though, because why would she want to, like, advertise that she's torturing her little to other sororities? Does that make sense?
- [26:15]
Host 1
Fair. That's a fair. I guess I never really looked at it like, that they were all in this network of, like, they were all probably doing similar things to their little.
- [26:25]
Host 2
Like, they were all doing it. So all, like, the presidents or the people who were, like, higher up in the sorority were doing it?
- [26:33]
Host 1
Yes. And I think it's just, like, the same way. They were kind of. They did had big little. When they were a little as well.
- [26:41]
Host 2
So did the rest of your pledge class get treated like this?
- [26:45]
Host 1
No, this is just, like.
- [26:47]
Host 2
That's what I'm saying. Like this. It's a little weird.
- [26:50]
Host 1
Yeah. Yeah, it was. Oh. I guess this is how, like, frat hazing kind of perpetuates, too. It's like a. It's a weird form of endearment a little bit. And also, I had a lot of fun doing the tasks not to.
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Host 2
Okay. I mean, listen, if you enjoyed it and you're not saying that this is something that, like, affected you or, like, made you feel upset, then go for it.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Host 2
All right. What were some of the other ones? I'm interested because you're. I think I feel like you're looking at this as a form of entertainment.
- [27:22]
Host 1
It. It was for me, so I feel.
- [27:25]
Host 2
Like you're a confident person.
- [27:28]
Host 1
I just was kind of like, oh, I live on a floating rock. Like, I'm not. I'm not. Not that deep.
- [27:34]
Host 2
Good mentality.
- [27:35]
Host 1
I'm, like, pretty close with the girl that I performed the birthday ballad for now. It's like a. It's a running, like, also, because it wasn't her birthday. It was, like, just a random day of the week. The other ones, these were kind of low stakes. There was a lot of texting in our flare, which is like. Like a sorority. Like, messenger.
- [27:59]
Host 2
Yeah. Like a group.
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Host 1
Me almost. Yeah, exactly. Asking for butt itch ointment and just following up with, like, I have something going on, like, don't ask. Yeah, there's some Snapchats, like, swipe up for a tbh. Like, like, just embarrassing stuff to put on, like, your social media. One of. One of the highlights was I petitioned for animal rights in front of this, like, fountain on campus. But, yeah, that was actually pretty fun because I dressed as a. I dressed in a gorilla suit so no one would recognize me. And also. Okay. Yeah, she had a lot of free time. I. Let me tell you, to come up with these things.
- [28:45]
Host 2
I mean, yeah, she was definitely brainstorming a lot. But, I mean, Paige, I give you a lot of credit. I mean, you. Your confidence is through the roof. Because anyone else. I mean, I don't know I feel like any other girl would not be okay with this and would be absolutely mortified to do any of these things. So, I mean, kudos to you because it takes, I think, a girl with high confidence and a girl with a high. I don't give a attitude or what people say or think about me to do any of these things.
- [29:15]
Host 1
Yeah, I was. I don't know, Faye, if I should say, like, what school I'm at, but I'm at Berkeley. There's a lot of. There's weirder going on out there. Petitions. All right. It's like, I would say like maybe like six people, like, did a double take. Like, not. It was kind of like a normal day. It was a normal day in Berkeley.
- [29:36]
Host 2
They're like, okay, there's somebody else chanting about something that they believe in today. Okay.
- [29:42]
Host 1
Definitely helped with the embarrassment factor. And like, there. It could be. It would be a lot weirder somewhere else.
- [29:50]
Host 2
That's so funny.
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Host 1
Wrote more book reports for these pledge tasks or like, pledge tasks than I have my entire career at school so far about children. Books that she left me in my, like, room decor situation. And then I also wrote a book report about. It was like a self help book about klepto. Klepto. Being a kleptomaniac.
- [30:16]
Host 2
Kleptomaniac.
- [30:17]
Host 1
That's a whole nother can of worms. My roommates and I were, like, running around frats stealing things, which was probably not great either.
- [30:25]
Host 2
Oh, my God. And this is all. This is all set up from your sorority?
- [30:29]
Host 1
No, that the stealing was on her own.
- [30:32]
Host 2
Oh, like you just wrote a book report about being a kleptomaniac.
- [30:36]
Host 1
Me, a self help. But she knew who I wasn't. Like, I didn't know who she was. And she was like, yeah, my little seclepto. I'm gonna give her this book.
- [30:44]
Host 2
Oh, no. I really hope the ceiling phase is over.
- [30:51]
Host 1
Yeah. Yeah.
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Host 2
Okay.
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Host 1
Cool incident. And then we retired. We were like, yeah, you got like.
- [30:58]
Host 2
You got like a nice high from it. It made you, like. It was exciting.
- [31:03]
Host 1
Yeah. There was like, dead. Okay. I don't know if. Because my big Was saying you might want to talk about this separately, but there was like a whole composite, like, hostage situation. Like, we had this composite from a frat, like, held hostage from the frat for months. And our next door neighbor was a pledge in the frat. And like six months after we stole it, he broke into our room to take it back. And there's. There was like. It was one night, and the composite went back to the frat. And then we went back into the frat and stole it. And they, like, chased us down the street. And then so we sent one of our other neighbors in to like distract them and then skilled a fence and got the composite back. It was. Yeah. My God, the kleptomaniac book was probably important for us to read.
- [31:52]
Host 2
Yeah. Okay, I. I could see that. Well, I mean, aside from all of that, I'm happy. I'm happy you have self reflected on being a kleptomaniac. I'm also happy that you're big gave you. What was it? A self.
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Host 1
It was a self help book.
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Host 2
Okay, wait, why did you need self help for being a kleptomaniac? Yeah, got it. Okay, so the kleptomaniac thing, that is solved. But other than that, like, the fact that you embraced doing all of these tasks for yourself is saying a wild, wild amount about your character. You're very confident, you're clearly very funny and just kind of live in the moment. So, I mean, embrace it, because I don't think a lot of girls in your situation would have taken it as well as you did.
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Host 1
So are you saying you wouldn't petition for animal rights?
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Host 2
Maybe not.
- [32:52]
Host 1
No.
- [32:52]
Host 2
Wait, that's bad because I love animals. But I just. I would definitely be embarrassed on campus while doing it.
- [33:01]
Host 1
Fair, fair, fair, fair. It was, yeah, definitely a learning experience, but it was fun.
- [33:08]
Host 2
So when your big was actually revealed to. Oh, wait, you didn't know who your big was the entire time that she was doing making you do this? Oh, my God.
- [33:17]
Guest 2
So the.
- [33:19]
Host 2
But then. So this was during like your speed dating process. Because then how did she like, lock you in? You know what I mean?
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Host 1
You speed date and then you like, the little will rank who they want, and the big will also rank who they want. And then if it's like, it's like some weird system, if it's like a perfect one to one match, you end.
- [33:38]
Host 2
Up with like, yeah, no, of course I know that whole system. But then how did she get you to do these things before knowing who she was?
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Host 1
She knew that I was her little. I wasn't sure who was my big. Like, I had a feeling it was this person. And after the task started rolling in, I knew it was her because, like, this is so on brand for her.
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Host 2
So you didn't have Big little reveal.
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Host 1
This was just the lead up to big little reveal.
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Host 2
Wait, I really am not understanding how she pulled this off. Then so was everybody else's potential big doing this to their potential little no.
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Host 1
She was texting through an anonymous phone.
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Host 2
Number saying, like, I'm gonna be your Big. Do this stuff.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
Oh, my God. Okay, that's funny. And so then how did you feel when your Big was revealed to you?
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Host 1
A sense of like, oh, yeah, I was right.
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Host 2
Was it like a sense of relief or, like, I'm happy about this.
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Host 1
Like, I was never mad about it in the first place. I thought it was hilarious, but it was like, yeah, this makes so much sense. Like, I had a feeling it was who my bag was. And then when it was revealed, I'm like, yeah, you. Like, of course it was you. Like, only you would do this, like, clown stuff, but fun.
- [35:02]
Host 2
Our reveal was at the end, but we, like, this is why I was, like, confused because we speed dated, like, basically all the way up until, like, the reveal. And then, like, before the reveal, you, like, kind of knew who your Big was, because if you were, like, vibing with her, like, you know, and kind of, like, solidifying it between, like, the two of you, even though you weren't supposed to do that, but, like, you kind of were like, okay, you're my Big. Okay, you're my Little. But it wasn't ever, like, a secret or, like, nobody could have played a game on you before the reveal.
- [35:35]
Host 1
Yeah, it's like you have the speed dating closes, like, probably a week before Big little reveal, and then you have that week to, like, do baskets and do decorating and leave flowers.
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Host 2
Yeah, yeah, no, of course I. I was. But that same thing with us. But if you vibed with, like, your potential Big, like, you kind of, like, had a feeling, like, okay, this girl's gonna be my Big. Or this girl is going to be my little and hope that, like, you obviously both choose each other as your 1, 2, and 3 option. Obviously. But how your big was able to prank you and, like, tell you to do all these things before the reveal of the week leading up to it, like, we never had that.
- [36:22]
Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
And I don't even know. Like, I feel like if that was happening to me, I was like, I'm being pranked. Like, I'm in a. Go ask someone in my sorority if this is normal, because it doesn't seem normal.
- [36:35]
Host 1
Yeah, there's a lot of, like, secret societies and, like, secret, like, club stuff, too, throughout Berkeley Greek life. Because it is such, like, an old school, and it's very. It was very traditional in the beginning. So it was kind of a sense of, like, not necessarily that everyone was doing the same stuff that I was doing, but, like, oh, this is definitely a sorority thing and it's definitely real. It's not like some random person texting me. But yeah, I also just knew that would do something like that. She's a clown.
- [37:14]
Host 2
Well that's hilarious. But Paige, thank you so much for coming on to Dirty Rush and explaining your story. You're definitely a trooper. Let me tell you that.
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Host 2
Hi Kenzie, and welcome to Dirty Rush. I can't wait to hear your pledge story.
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Guest 1
Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here.
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Host 2
Let's hear it.
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Guest 1
Okay, so I feel like this one's pretty generic, pretty basic, but I go to a school in the south, an SEC school, so rush there is obviously way more intense than at other regular, you know, college. And basically everyone rushes when they're 18, super new, super fresh. And I get into a sorority that I heard that was a little bit on the crazier side, which I didn't mind at all.
- [41:32]
Host 2
Like kind of the party sorority.
- [41:33]
Guest 1
Yeah. And so I was excited because, you know, I liked doing that in high school and I was excited to continue it in college, but with a little bit more older and more mature things going on around me. And, you know, it's the night of bid day, like the earth, the night of midnight. And basically they have us together and then we get separated into pairs. And so I was with this random girl I've never even met before, and we get assigned to this one girl in the PC above us. And basically their job is for us to get as drunk as they can get us and then to let us go into the frats. And so I was honestly down for it. And it sounded fun. We all met up. We met up in this basement that I had no idea existed on campus. And there's probably about like 100, 150 girls in there all chanting and yelling songs and Drinking a lot. And a lot of beatboxes, because that's what was sponsoring us secretly. But, yeah, that was my first time having a beatbox at 18. I never really drank that. I don't think any of the other girls did either. I don't even remember that night. To this day. I really try to picture and think back. I'm a senior now, and that was about three years ago, but that was probably one of the first times I blacked out. And I don't know how I got home, but I know that they did have to take a picture of us when we were in our bed.
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Host 2
Okay, so at least they kind of monitored you. They kind of wanted to, like, see where you were and not just really let you out and not put any, like. Not keep any tabs on you.
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Guest 1
Yeah, not keep too many tabs on us. They basically just released us out into the wild for us to go introduce ourselves to the frat boys, because every single frat through that night, so there's probably about 12, 10 frats here. So we had to go to all of them. So it was crazy.
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Host 2
That was the.
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Guest 2
That was.
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Guest 1
That was the whole point of it.
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Host 2
Yes, Each one.
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Host 1
Yes.
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Host 2
I'm sure half of your. Sir, half your pledge class didn't even make it to half of them.
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Guest 1
Yeah, I only went to three, and then I ended up in bed.
- [43:38]
Host 1
It was. It was a surreal experience.
- [43:39]
Guest 1
It's funny to think about, to try to picture what happened, but I really can't.
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Host 2
So I feel like that kind of reminds me of my big Little. Big little night. Like, your bigs are getting you super drunk as the little. And then you go to the frats, but your big is looking out for you the whole time, like, making sure that you're getting into bed safely, that nothing happens to you. But you said you didn't really remember the night, but there were. You said you went to three frats. So was there somebody at least monitoring you to make sure that you were okay and, like, kind of tell you what happened?
- [44:15]
Guest 1
So when I initially got in, I had friends that were going to UT prior, so I let them know where I was going to be that night. So I wasn't with the people that I had met in my sorority. I was with my hometown friends at these rats, and they were basically kind of the ones monitoring me. And then.
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Host 2
So your hometown friends were looking out for you?
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Guest 1
Yeah, yeah.
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Host 2
That makes a lot more sense.
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Host 1
So.
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Guest 2
Yeah.
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Guest 1
But I somehow got in contact with the person I was assigned to because that was their job. And, like, if they didn't get, you know, the new PC to their designated, you know, places that they lived at, they would get in trouble. But, yeah, we somehow found the girl that was supposed to be watching me, and it ended up being fine.
- [44:59]
Host 2
Wow. Well, I'm happy you're okay, honestly. Blessed to your hometown friends. Hometown friends are always the real ones that, like, make sure that you're really okay.
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Guest 3
No, I know.
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Host 2
Bless to them. And I'm happy that you got home safe.
- [45:13]
Guest 1
Yes, me too.
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Host 2
But I feel like that's, like, weird that they would have, like, but they probably did that, honestly, so that you guys could have embarrassed yourselves in front of the frats, like, being so drunk like that for the first time.
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Guest 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
But I'm surprised there wasn't a little more monitoring, just, like, because if. Like, if they. If something, God forbid, actually happened to one. No, no, no.
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Guest 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
Would have been screwed.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Guest 1
There definitely needs to be a better system set up with it. But, I mean, you know, it worked. I had a good time, and then at the end of the day, no one got in trouble, so that's what mattered.
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Guest 2
Yeah.
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Host 2
No, for real and blessed to your hometown friends. But, Kenzie, thanks so much for telling us your story. Of course.
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Guest 1
Thank you so much for having me.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Host 2
Hey, Michelle and Greece, we have a big little duo here with us on Dirty Rush, and they are going to be telling us their pledge story.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Sponsor Voice 3
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Host 1
Thanks for having us.
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Host 2
Oh, wait, Michelle or. Who's the big. Who's the little.
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Guest 3
Michelle is the big.
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Host 1
Yes. Yeah.
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Guest 3
So, yeah, she picked me up my freshman year, and we've been best friends ever since.
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Host 2
Oh, I love that.
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Guest 3
It was a quick transition when, you.
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Host 2
Know, you know, sometimes.
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Host 1
Right.
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Guest 3
You know, you know, which actually backfired. Michelle backfired on us, and that's part of the story. And so, yeah, when you get your bid.
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Host 1
Right.
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Guest 3
And I remember talking to Michelle all during rush and stuff. And then on bid day, you're matched with, like, a bid day buddy. And so they kind of take you to the whole, like, post bid day event and, like, whatever the sorority had planned. And so we actually went rollerblading was our bid day event, which was just like, really bonding, to say the least.
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Host 1
Right? And then, yeah, we ended up going.
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Guest 3
To, like, all the bid day parties that weekend and, like, going to everything together. And then so we kind of knew probably from, like, that weekend that we.
- [47:13]
Host 1
Were going to be big and little.
- [47:14]
Guest 3
And then Michelle, if you want to take it over.
- [47:16]
Host 2
And so this was kind of like your speed dating, getting to Know each other.
- [47:19]
Guest 3
Right. So the way our sorority does it, which is probably similar across the board at our school, is you get a bid day buddy for the actual bid day, but then once that weekend passes, you're paired with a new member as an older member.
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Host 2
Oh, yes. Okay. This is actually, I think, similar to how I did it. Okay, I forgot the whole bid day buddy thing.
- [47:44]
Guest 3
Yes. And so they make it a big thing that, like, there is no favoritism. It's honestly great. Like, I look back on it as one of the most fun times of college. I was so spoiled, I was being taken out to dinner.
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Host 2
Oh, yeah. And especially as a freshman, you're like, okay, I get a free meal. And if, you know, and especially if a lot of older sisters wanted to go on dates with you, there would be times where you're like, you had your breakfast, lunch, and dinner paid for. It was amazing.
- [48:16]
Guest 3
And then the way, like, we do it, too, is Ubers are paid for to parties. Like, you don't leave without your. We call it a Beta. Everyone has a different name, but it is, like, princess treatment to the max. Which is such a funny, like, contrast from the way that fraternities do it because, oh, yeah, they're over here getting, like, haze, and we're getting spoiled. I think I spent the most money, my entire college experience that, like, four.
- [48:45]
Host 1
Weeks of whatever that big little process was.
- [48:48]
Guest 3
No, it is, like, painful. But anyways, you get to select. It's like mutual selection every time. So you get to select who you want to be paired with from the beginning of the week. And then the younger member also pairs, and then we have someone that, like, facilitates that pairing, and that's who you're matched with each week. And so, like Grace said, I knew that we were probably going to end up together in the end, so I actually took the approach of, like, I'm gonna pick other new members in my sorority to get to know everybody else, because I'm only going to be hanging out with Grace for, like, the majority of the time after this small period is over. And so I'm, like, over here selecting other girls. I actually tricked her and told her that I didn't pick her up as my little. Which is just another story. But after the reveal, this was a few weeks after, and I get called into our sorority's mcc, which is, like, standards.
- [49:50]
Host 2
Yeah.
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Guest 3
And I was so confused. I hadn't done, like, anything wrong to my knowledge. And I guess someone was, like, out to get me and said that I was favoring Grace and, like, claimed her so that nobody else in the chapter could have her as her little. And I did post a picture with her on bid day.
- [50:12]
Host 2
Wait, that's normal?
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Guest 3
He's like, is that not allowed?
- [50:15]
Host 2
No. That's so normal, though, because also, during rush process, if you vibe with somebody and then obviously they come into your sorority, you're like, yay. Like, I. I have my potential new member that I wanted in my sorority now.
- [50:28]
Guest 3
Right? And even the girls in standards were, like, laughing. But the way we do it is you have to address anything, any type of complaint that is sent in. So it was all just kind of ridiculous. But it's such a funny testament to, like, the rules of sorority. Like, everything is about these strict rules that we have to follow, and it is just not real life.
- [50:50]
Host 2
No, it's like this book that we have to follow. And then when you get into the real world after college and realize that none of this crap matters, it's funny, right? I mean, even when you're like, five minutes until. I mean, I would say after your freshman year, you. You know that none of this really matters, but it's just kind of like a part of Greek life and a part of the traditions and kind of how things work.
- [51:18]
Guest 3
No, it totally is. There's also, like, a lot of tension during that time, I feel like, because every new member that just, like, went through recruitment is, like, now comparing, like, oh, well, this sorority does this to their new members or this person does this. But there's a sorority at our school that we tend to have tensions with, but we had a frat party. Probably the frat at our school that hosts the most things is the most lively, was our favorite to go to always. And it was pretty much just us and this other sorority. And I'm there. I'm having a great time with Grace. We leave, everything's fine. I'm sitting on the couch after with my guy friends, and they're like, look at this video. It's so funny. They proceed to show me a video of one of them peeing on the composite of this other sorority. They grabbed the frame, put it in the toilet, and peed on it. The next morning, I wake up to a paragraph in our group chat with this other sorority, because we're all pretty close with each other, thinking that, like.
- [52:28]
Host 2
You guys set this up.
- [52:30]
Guest 3
Yes. So one of my guy friends actually blamed the entire thing on us. And I just remember thinking, like, right as things were starting to get good, like, we were all getting along so well, this happens.
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Host 2
But honestly, the frats probably did it on purpose. Michelle and Grace, thank you guys so much for coming on to Dirty Rush and telling me your crazy sorority life stories and your pledge stories stories. But I'm happy that you guys came out on top and found your way to each other. But thanks for coming on to Dirty Rush. Bye Bye. Thanks so much to all the girls for sharing their crazy pledge stories from all ages, sororities and colleges. We love hearing your stories so keep them coming. Make sure to call us at 844278 rush again 844278 r email us@dirtyrush iheartradio.com until next time. Love you guys.
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