Dirty Rush: Let’s Talk About Sex

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts in a Pod – "Dirty Rush: Let’s Talk About Sex"

Date: February 15, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge (appearing as part of "Dirty Rush" with Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, Jennifer Kessler, Sarah, Wells, Bob Guinea, Ben, and others)
Episode Theme: Sorority and Fraternity Secrets, Sex, and Social Dynamics

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Episode Overview

This episode, “Dirty Rush: Let’s Talk About Sex,” dives deep into the realities and myths of Greek life. Hosts and guests—many with both sorority and fraternity backgrounds—discuss secret rituals, social rules, memorable stories, and the lingering reputations attached to fraternity and sorority members. They also tackle questions about sex, relationships, and perceptions within Greek life, all while poking fun at themselves and exposing the truth behind the traditions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Fraternity and Sorority Secrets

Timestamps: 03:01 – 09:03

• Initiation & Traditions:

  • Daisy asks: “Would you reveal details of initiation? Would you tell me what Phi Alpha means? Like all these secrets that you have, how secret are they? Do you tell your wives? Do you give your wife the handshake or tell her what happened?” (04:00)
  • Ben admits that things start out secretive but loosen up as you grow older (04:50).
  • Reveals that pledges had to carry “P, Q’s, and M’s” (Pencils, Quarters for laundry, and Matches—a nod to earlier times when people smoked) at all times as part of initiation rituals. (06:13)
  • Bob Guinea shares his pledge class was nicknamed "The Vegetables" and had to carry their assigned vegetable around—his was “green pepper,” another was “yam”. (07:43)

• Sorority Rules about Male Guests:

  • Boys could be on the bedroom floor until 10pm; when walking a boy down the hall, you had to call “man on” so no one was surprised exiting the bathroom. (09:19)
  • Bob inquires: “No naked pillow fights?” Daisy: “We did not have naked pillow fights.” (09:40–09:46)

Social Status & Stereotyping

Timestamps: 10:48 – 13:43

• What Defines a ‘Top House’:

  • Jennifer asks: “What in your eyes defines the top sorority houses?” (10:48)
  • Men respond jokingly: “Academics for the ladies.” – Bob (11:07), met with mockery.
  • Real criteria: Party fun, turnout to events, how well they mingled—not looks or academics. (11:20)
  • Day parties (“exchanges”) were a big deal; the reputation of a sorority/fraternity was based largely on party attendance and vibe, not on academics. (11:43-12:19)

• Outside Perspective:

  • Wells (a GDI—Greek system outsider): “Everything you guys are all saying, I just roll my eyes so hard into the back of my head. [...] You people. Come on… you guys are walking around like freaking Bat Weevils, like, elbows out, shoulders back, just being like, we’re so much better…” (13:04)

Sex, Dating, and Relationship Rules

Timestamps: 21:31 – 24:19

• Does it matter if someone waits or sleeps together on the first night?

  • Jennifer asks if waiting three dates vs. sleeping with someone on the first night changes how the guy views the woman (21:31).
  • Sarah: “I think that it really just depends on like, the relationship you have with that person. I've had both ... and they've both been meaningful and good.” (22:00)
  • If looking for something more serious, waiting makes sense, otherwise it’s about honesty and connection. (23:13)

• Where do guys prefer to sleep after sex—their place or the girl’s?

  • Nearly all say, “My house” (23:33), except for Wells, who prefers the girl's:

    “The sheets are always cleaner…the mattress is nine out of ten times more comfortable... way more pillows.” (23:52)

  • Bob adds, “The real answer is: cause you can leave.” (24:03)

Fraternity Stereotypes: “Notches on the Belt” Myth

Timestamps: 24:13 – 28:24

• Wells asks if it’s true that fraternities are all about racking up sexual conquests. (24:13)
• Ben challenges the stigma, highlighting that it’s more about lifelong friendship:

  “I have 10 of my best friends that we went through all this together...It's much more than that.” (25:40)

• Wells adds that for many, it’s just about making true friends—not at all like the movies. (26:40)
• The bonds formed during these years aren’t easily replicated. Wells: "There’s an unspoken bond...that can't be overpassed by any other experience..." (28:24)
• Bob and Ben counter that post-college friendships can be just as close, emphasizing the importance of chosen family. (28:00-28:24)

Comparing Greek Life to Bachelor Nation

Timestamps: 33:16 – 39:09

• Jennifer asks how the Bachelor experience compares to fraternity brotherhood (33:16).
• Bob: Different experiences and bonds at different life stages. Friendships forged as adults can be more deliberate and sometimes more meaningful than those formed in youth. (33:23)
• Wells explains the “trauma bond” from going through Bachelor Nation together, but notes it’s not as close-knit as fraternity life. He talks to only a few contestants regularly (36:10).
• Difference: Greek life has recurring, built-in reasons to reunite (homecomings, tailgates) while reality TV friendships require more effort to maintain. (37:13-39:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fraternity Rituals:

  “You had to walk around with P, Q’s, and M’s at all times ... Q’s are for quarters for the laundry machine ... M for matches ... peas are pencils.” – Ben (06:05)

• On the Value of Waiting:

  “I think that it really just depends on ... the relationship ... I've had both and they've both been meaningful and good.” – Sarah (22:00)

• On Stereotypes:

  “...I just roll my eyes so hard into the back of my head. I'm like, oh, get over yourselves, you people. Come on.” – Wells (13:04)

• Bob Guinea’s Nickname:

  “He nicknamed our pledge class the Vegetables for no reason. Mine was the green pepper.” – Bob Guinea (07:44)

• On Picking Where to Sleep:

  “The sheets are always cleaner. The mattress is nine out of ten times more comfortable. They got way more pillows than I do.” – Wells (23:52) “The real answer is: cause you can leave.” – Bob Guinea (24:03)

• Fraternity vs. Post-College Bonds:

  “You do have some people that you meet at different stages of your life that you remain super close with because of experiences that you shared...As you're older, you have more of a choice as to whether you want to be a part of it or not.” – Bob Guinea (33:23)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 03:01 – 09:03 – Fraternity and Sorority secrets and rituals exposed
• 10:48 – 13:43 – Perceptions of "top" Greek houses and party culture
• 21:31 – 24:19 – Questions about sex, dating etiquette, and sleepovers
• 24:13 – 28:24 – Addressing the "notches on the belt" myth and discussing the meaning of fraternity bonds
• 33:16 – 39:09 – Comparing Greek life and Bachelor Nation brotherhood

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Episode Takeaways

• College Greek life is full of quirks, rituals, and a dash of myth—most not as secret or scandalous as pop culture suggests.
• Serious or silly, the relationships formed in fraternities and sororities can be deep and transformative.
• Stereotypes about Greek life (“notches on the belt,” elitism) are challenged by those who’ve lived it.
• The bonds formed in deeply shared experiences (Bachelor Nation, fraternity, etc.) are unique—sometimes outlasting even other close friendships.
• Sex, social rules, and “what really matters” are openly and humorously discussed, with plenty of self-awareness and affectionate teasing.

Recommended for: Listeners curious about the real social fabric of Greek life, fans of The Bachelor/Bachelorette, and anyone who loves honest, funny group conversations about sex and friendship.

Transcript

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[Gia]

Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life, with your hosts, me, Gia

[Jennifer Kessler]

Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

[Sarah]

Welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. Sororities and fraternities go hand in hand. The parties, the drama, the situationships. But today, we're flipping the script. We're putting fraternity boys in the hot seat and having them answer the questions sorority girls have always wanted to ask. But maybe. But maybe never dared to. You guys are ruining my thing. Let's get into it.

[Wells]

All right, girls, we're ready. All I ask is that you call out the boys that you want to answer the question. If for the group, you can say that. I think individual questions are better answered, though, especially in this group. Take it away.

[Daisy Kent]

Okay. I'm a Kappa Kappa Gamma. You can name your sorority, but. So here's the question. When we do this show, the whole trick with this show is it's anonymous. So this is a harder question for you guys because you're not anonymous. We know who you are. My question is for the fraternity boys. How sacred or secretive do you keep the things in the fraternity? So, for example, we on this podcast reveal things, but it's because we're anonymous. So my question for the four of you that were in fraternity is, would you reveal details of initiation? Would you tell me what Phi Alpha means? Like all these secrets that you have, how secret are they? Do you tell your wives? Do you give your wife the handshake or tell her what happened? Was it a banana in the toilet? All that stuff. How sacred is it?

[Sarah]

Sarah loves a banana in the toilet.

[Bob Guinea]

The old banana in the toilet trick.

[Ben]

I think that when you're in college and shortly after college, things are very secretive, but once you start to grow up and realize it's. You start to divulge a little bit more. That would be my guess.

[Sarah]

I've got a feeling that we all have the same handshake and we all thought it was really cool, but it's all the exact same one.

[Bob Guinea]

I bet that's pretty true, actually. I bet that's really true.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Prove it.

[Bob Guinea]

You show me the GDI handshake.

[Wells]

So are you saying to answer that question, if somebody in this room said, hey, I really have always been curious about this fraternities, so. And so would you answer it anonymously?

[Ben]

Yes.

[Daisy Kent]

Like, if I asked you reveal something that happened during initiation, would you reveal it?

[Ben]

Yes.

[Daisy Kent]

Reveal it

[Bob Guinea]

anonymously.

[Sarah]

His name is Brett Adams.

[Wells]

4:34.

[Daisy Kent]

Like, do you guys have a password? Like, we have a password. I wouldn't reveal it on the air anonymously. No, anonymous. I would not reveal it anonymously or not anonymously?

[Ben]

I had to. All of us pledges had to walk around with P, Q's and M's at all times.

[Daisy Kent]

I don't know what a P, Q, and M is.

[Ben]

Well, I'm going to tell you.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Thank you.

[Ben]

You had to walk around with P. I forgot what that was. But I'm going to get back that. Q's are for quarters for the laundry machine. So an Active could always find you on any part of campus, fraternity, whatever, ask you for quarters immediately. M for matches. Back when people smoked peas are penises. Yeah. Pencils to see my penis.

[Wells]

Pencils.

[Sarah]

Don't forget your penis pen.

[Ben]

But you had. But you had to walk around, and you had to always carry PQs and M's. And no matter where you were, no matter what time of day, if an Active asked you, you had to show it.

[Daisy Kent]

That's juicy. Good reveal.

[Sarah]

We had to do a thing called a name list. Do you guys know about name lists? Really? So it was every Active on a list, and you had to go to every Active and talk to them, meet them, converse with them, and they had to check you off. You had to get everyone signed before you could become an Active.

[Daisy Kent]

Good one, Juicy Bob.

[Bob Guinea]

Yeah, I got nothing.

[Daisy Kent]

Because you don't want to reveal it.

[Bob Guinea]

No, we. So my pledge class, we. Our pledge guy, the pledge leader, traitor, trainer, has passed away.

[Sarah]

Well, and I.

[Bob Guinea]

And I loved him.

[Sarah]

What was his name?

[Bob Guinea]

His name was Jeff Sloboda.

[Ben]

All right.

[Bob Guinea]

Wonderful guy.

[Ben]

Rest in peace.

[Wells]

Crazy.

[Bob Guinea]

But he.

[Sarah]

N. He.

[Bob Guinea]

He nicknamed our pledge class the Vegetables for no reason. And he gave us all a vegetable nickname. Mine was the green pepper.

[Sarah]

No, I wanted to guess.

[Wells]

Is this.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Are you making this up?

[Bob Guinea]

Not making it up.

[Sarah]

I wish I were.

[Bob Guinea]

And we would have to look like a green pepper. I will tell you this, though. We had two guys in the pledge class who. We still only call them by their vegetable name.

[Sarah]

Okay, what are their names? Hold on. Let me guess.

[Bob Guinea]

Okay.

[Daisy Kent]

Were you in the dorky fraternity?

[Sarah]

No. Hold on.

[Bob Guinea]

I had to carry a vegetable. I had to carry this vegetable with me at all times.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Bob Guinea]

Green pepper gets.

[Sarah]

I got two. I got two.

[Wells]

All right.

[Sarah]

One, you might be like, that's a fruit, but whatever. Tomato. And the other one. Celery.

[Wells]

One carrot.

[Bob Guinea]

First of all, I love your guesses.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Bob Guinea]

Okay, yours as well. The one guy is yam and is still yam.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Of course it was yam.

[Sarah]

The other, the P. The P. Do

[Jennifer Kessler]

you know what the P was?

[Wells]

A single.

[Sarah]

Single P. A P. E was a little guy.

[Bob Guinea]

Yes, actually, he was.

[Daisy Kent]

Before I pass the mic on to the other sorority girls, is there any burning question you guys want to know about sororities that you don't know? Because I might reveal it.

[Sarah]

I got one ready. Okay. At my school, men were never allowed to come in the sorority house. Was there ever an opportunity for you to get guys into the sorority house?

[Daisy Kent]

So I can only speak for Kappa Kappa Gamma, but we were allowed to have boys on our floor, on the bedroom floor, in the bedrooms until 10pm but you did have to say when you brought the boy down the hallway. Man on. So that nobody would like come out of the bathroom with like their towel on.

[Sarah]

Is that so?

[Bob Guinea]

No one like having like a naked pillow fight?

[Daisy Kent]

We never had naked pillow fights.

[Bob Guinea]

That's absolute bullshit.

[Wells]

It's not. Just not true.

[Bob Guinea]

I think you all have.

[Daisy Kent]

No, I am going to tell you the truth. We did not have naked pillow fights. But you could bring boys.

[Sarah]

But I do hope that, like, when you climaxed, you said, man.

[Bob Guinea]

Did anyone ever stay the night in a sorority house?

[Sarah]

No, I never did.

[Bob Guinea]

I have. You did.

[Daisy Kent]

What sorority?

[Sarah]

Bob pee over here.

[Jennifer Kessler]

He's a green pepper.

[Bob Guinea]

There might be more than one.

[Daisy Kent]

Can you name was. Can you name a couple of the sorority house?

[Bob Guinea]

One was while I was in college. One was perhaps at a distance.

[Daisy Kent]

It got weird. It got weird that Bob went to a sorority house when he was out of college.

[Ben]

Respect, dude.

[Daisy Kent]

Burning question. You've always want to know about a sorority before we pass it on to them.

[Wells]

That was a good question. I like that. That was.

[Daisy Kent]

Okay, I won't say your name, but what is your sorority house?

[Bob Guinea]

Wait a minute. If we have to be out I go for lunch, shouldn't they.

[Gia]

Okay, I was in.

[Jennifer Kessler]

I was in Theta Kappa Alpha Theta. And my question to you guys as fraternity boys is, what in your eyes defines the top sorority houses? Like, how would you classify the top sorority houses and vice versa. How would you classify a top house as a fraternity?

[Bob Guinea]

Academics for the ladies.

[Sarah]

Yeah, clearly

[Nancy Glass]

kidding.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Wells]

What are we talking about? What are we talking about?

[Bob Guinea]

Sorry, is this thing even.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Yeah,

[Wells]

I like that. That's like a joke. And we're talking about college here. And you're like, that's not even. That was even considered. It was like, how fun were they at parties when you invite. How many showed up? How Many, like, intermingled. And it wasn't that they were just, like, the best looking, but they would come and they would have a good time. That was always.

[Sarah]

Did you guys do day parties?

[Wells]

Oh, yeah.

[Sarah]

I feel like that's, like, a really good barometer. Yeah. Right? Like if, like the day. Because day parties, at least in my college, it was just one fraternity, one sorority.

[Daisy Kent]

That's an exchange.

[Sarah]

Okay, well, at my school, it was called a day party. I don't know what to tell you, but, like, when I. When we did that, we'd be like, this already sucks. Or like, we were like, they're awesome. This is so much fun. And it had nothing to do with, like, their academics. It was more to do with, like, how fun they were.

[Wells]

Like, how. Yeah, 100. That's it.

[Ben]

Let me ask you this. If you. We had an exchange or a date party and you had a lesser hot sorority, what would the turnout be from your sorority?

[Sarah]

I mean, fraternity? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question.

[Wells]

Not strong, typically.

[Sarah]

I think now there's always one in there where you're like,

[Wells]

I gotta say something real quick. As a gdi. Okay. Literally.

[Sarah]

Which, by the way, sounds like an std.

[Wells]

Ever since I got my GDI cured. Okay,

[Sarah]

I.

[Wells]

And I hate to say this, especially on Dirty Rush podcast, but literally everything you guys are all saying, I just roll my eyes so hard into the back of my head. I'm like, oh, get over yourselves, you people. Come on. It's so frustrating from an independent perspective to be like, you guys are walking around like freaking Bat Weevils. Like, fucking. Elbows out, shoulders back, just being like,

[Sarah]

we're so much Weevil.

[Wells]

We're so much. We're so much better than all you guys that aren't in the fraternities and the sororities. And sitting back here having just, like, laugh along, it just makes me feel sick.

[Sarah]

Okay?

[Wells]

And I'm. I can't do it anymore. And I'm out of here.

[Daisy Kent]

Next question.

[Wells]

Yeah, next question.

[Daisy Kent]

Okay. I was in Zeta Tau Alpha, and

[Jennifer Kessler]

I want to know, ask Wells and Ben, who in this room you guys think had the best Riz in college?

[Wells]

That's a good question.

[Sarah]

Really good.

[Bob Guinea]

Wait, what's a.

[Wells]

What's the best.

[Ben]

Best Riz.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Riz is.

[Wells]

Do you even know what the.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Okay. Thank God they didn't say, like, I.

[Bob Guinea]

I think I'm drinking a Riz.

[Sarah]

I don't know what riz is. Short for Charisma.

[Bob Guinea]

Oh, well, that's awfully nice.

[Sarah]

There's zero.

[Wells]

There's zero.

[Sarah]

I Have an answer for this. Not, not to. I don't want you to jump on me.

[Wells]

Go ahead. I feel like you jumped on me.

[Sarah]

I, I, I don't want you to jump on, like, my answer. Yeah, no, I just didn't want you to do it because then I'd feel bad about it. My brother did some good work back in the day. He had a lot of res.

[Ben]

Is it true what happened? I have no idea where the story's going.

[Bob Guinea]

I can see there is no story.

[Sarah]

I'm just saying that he was magic. He was a coxman, if you will. 100%.

[Wells]

Yeah. I can see it.

[Bob Guinea]

I can see it.

[Wells]

I can see it.

[Ben]

Anyways, when you show up for your first day at the fraternity and your dad being an OB GYN sends a box of 100 condoms, you become pretty popular,

[Wells]

you know? You know, we all obviously are connected through a show that was on television. And before I ever met this person, there was this, like, rumor that would go around about how successful they were in.

[Nancy Glass]

I know.

[Wells]

I'm so happy and successful they were. And how charismatic they were and how they were known to have laid beside the most people during their time on the show. And that's Bob Guinea. And Bob guinea is 100% has been the same guy in college. And we talked about it last episode. And it should be noted, not only was Bob guinea, who he is today, who's lovable and kind and funny, he was also a quarterback at Michigan State. He did not struggle.

[Sarah]

Yeah. It's also because Andrew Firestone isn't here.

[Bob Guinea]

Yeah, I was gonna say my answer would be Andrew Firestone.

[Wells]

Yeah, I think he did.

[Sarah]

No. You are the best of all of us. You are so good to be around.

[Bob Guinea]

Thank you, pal. Thank you.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Sarah]

I have a follow up question to that. You asked that. It was a great question. Was it you?

[Daisy Kent]

I mean, what was your house?

[Bob Guinea]

Oh, yeah, it was the Zeta Ta.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Who do you think has the most Riz?

[Jennifer Kessler]

I kind of feel like from the stories tonight, either Wells or Dean,

[Wells]

The

[Sarah]

two dumbest guys here.

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[Jennifer Kessler]

Okay, so our question is, on behalf of the sorority girls, is, does it make a difference if a girl does the whole song and dance of waiting for three dates to finally sleep with a fraternity guy? Or if she doesn't on the first night, do you like a girl more or less if she waits? Good question.

[Sarah]

More.

[Bob Guinea]

This is for Wells. Thank God. Thank God.

[Sarah]

Everyone quiet. I haven't done. It's a good question. I don't know. I think that it really just depends on, like, the. The relationship that you have with that person. Because I've had, like, I've had both and they've both been like, meaningful and like, good, where it's like I had to wait a long time and I love that. And then it was like hot and fast and it lasted for a long time. So I don't know.

[Ben]

I don't know what the.

[Sarah]

I don't know what the right answer is. I think you just have to, like, be honest with yourself about, like, what's happening.

[Ben]

Also, remember when you're 18 or 19 and answer the question properly.

[Sarah]

Well, when I say, you know, I teen, that was.

[Ben]

What would you prefer? The first night or waiting three days, three dates.

[Sarah]

Honestly, I think, like, if. What are we looking for here? Are we looking for, like a long term relationship?

[Nancy Glass]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Or are we looking for a hookup?

[Jennifer Kessler]

No. If a girl wants something more serious,

[Sarah]

should she make, then I would like to wait a little bit.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Okay.

[Sarah]

I think that would be more.

[Daisy Kent]

Okay, pass it on. Name your sorority.

[Nancy Glass]

Hello.

[Jennifer Kessler]

I was in Alpha Fee, and this is for all of you.

[Gia]

As a guy, would you rather sleep

[Jill Winterstein]

at your house or would you rather

[Gia]

sleep at the girl's house?

[Sarah]

My house. My house.

[Jennifer Kessler]

My house.

[Ben]

My house.

[Wells]

Lame girl's house. And do you know why

[Sarah]

he hasn't

[Jennifer Kessler]

changed his sheets in three months?

[Sarah]

Sorry, Easter.

[Wells]

Tell you why. It's the girl's house. The sheets are always cleaner. Obviously the mattress is nine out of ten times more comfortable.

[Sarah]

There's no bedbugs.

[Wells]

They got way more pillows than I do.

[Bob Guinea]

The real answer is. Cuz you can leave.

[Wells]

Okay, Bob, I was going to get there. Thank you very much.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Sorry, sorry.

[Daisy Kent]

Did you have a question?

[Wells]

I do have a question. Yes. As a, as a non fraternity brother. And I'm so sorry not to be in the brotherhood with you guys. Biggest regret of my life. Okay.

[Sarah]

I think actually you do hate it that you were in a fraternity.

[Wells]

No, you know, I like to be against the grain. Well, yeah, of course.

[Bob Guinea]

But you're part of this fraternity.

[Wells]

I've got a. No, actually, I do have a question. Some of my best friends were in fraternities in college that I met later after and all that stuff. And I love them all to death. You guys are all very much included in that sentiment as well. Is there anything, when I look back to those college days, at least in like 2009 to 2013, when I was in college, 14, because I was a five year program as well. Wells. I feel like there's always that maybe stigma is not the right word. But it seemed like fraternity brothers, in my interpretation of that word meant just getting as many notches in your belt as possible. And my question for you guys. And I know it's a broad spectrum, right? Like Ben to Brett to Wells to Bob to Zach, whatever. I know it's. I know it's a very broad spectrum, but is there anything that you guys can do to answer or fulfill my curiosity of being able to dispel the rumor of just trying to get a notch in your belt? Because that's what I always saw fraternity brothers as.

[Sarah]

No,

[Ben]

What I said earlier, I mean, I went to college way earlier than 2009. What year? I still have. I. Like I said I still have. These guys are some of my best friends that I see every single year. And there's some weight to that. I understand that there is a stigma to fraternities and the stuffiness or the broness or whatever you want to call it. But at the end of the day, I have 10 of my best friends that we went through all this together and we formed a bond. And so I think that that is pretty special. And so I, I don't think it's about just notches in your belt or the parties or whatever. As you go through life, you will realize it was. It's much more than that.

[Wells]

I had a girlfriend for my freshman year and then my senior year too. So like there was like, there was never this idea of like, I Think like this. The movies would be like the high five. Like, oh, you're what, at 50 now? Cool for you. That was not a thing. And I think go back to what we were talking about before. We can sit here and laugh and joke. None of us were as cool as what, like in our minds, we. We are talking about now. It was like a. It wasn't like coming easy made for Bob Guinea. He's a quarterback. Handsome and funny and charismatic for all of us. We're working, like, really hard just to make friends. I think I will say too, to add to. To kind of piggyback off my own question. Your guys's answers is, I've got a lot of friends that I met post college. Right. That I know. We get along so well, we have so much in common, and we want to spend as much time as we possibly can together. But even going, even though that all is true, I won't be as close to that person as he is to his fraternity brother. Only because they went through, like, what you guys are saying. You know what I mean? Like, there is an unspoken bond, I think, that maybe forms a friendship that can't be overpassed by any other experience that you might get later in life, whatever it might be.

[Ben]

I don't think that's true.

[Bob Guinea]

I don't think that's true.

[Ben]

I don't think that's true at all.

[Wells]

But I think. Okay, okay, okay. Then let me. Let me restate that. I guess what I'm trying to say then maybe is it does give you a very good head start, right? At least. Sure. Okay. Because I've seen that. I've seen that with my friends, like one of my best friends who I love and adore, and I know it's mutual. I. At least I hope it is.

[Bob Guinea]

I love you too.

[Wells]

I know that, like this guy that he complains about or. Or whatever, it will always be his best best friend. Right. And I. I think that there's something inherently special about forming those friendships at that. Especially at that stage of your life too, when you're that young and trying to branch out and meet new people. That will last for a lot longer than any other friendship might, you know?

[Nancy Glass]

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[Wells]

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[Bob Guinea]

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[Sarah]

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[Bob Guinea]

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[Wells]

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[Jennifer Kessler]

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[Jennifer Kessler]

How does the Bachelor Nation brotherhood compare to a fraternity? Draw some parallels. Compare and contrast.

[Bob Guinea]

I was actually, I'm glad you asked it because I was gonna say, you know, I think yeah, you, you do have some people that you meet at different stages of your life that you remain super close with because of experiences that you shared. That could be fraternity, that could be sports, that could be, you know, a billion different work, it could be a bunch of different things. But you know, to that point, I think, yeah, like you go through something weird like a dating game show where you're handing out flowers or receiving flowers and it's kind of a effed up situation too. And your friends around that, like peripherally around that become part of it too. Just like, like Brett's part of that, even though Brett wasn't on the show because of Wells. I think you have a different bond with different people at different stages in the game and that and it doesn't mean one's stronger or, or less strong than another. It just means it's at a different stage in the game. And I think as you're older, you have more of a choice as to whether you want to be a part of it or not. So sometimes I would think the friendships you make later in life are probably more valuable than the ones you hang on to from high school or college because they're the ones you're really choosing when you have kind of the. You give yourself the ability to make

[Wells]

a Choice and not to be on a soapbox. But anytime you enter into something that's uncomfortable or unfamiliar, typically the best stories come from that. And when you can share that with others who are also uncomfortable and unfamiliar with the situation, when you get to the other side, no matter what the other side looks like, you can look back and say, we bonded through that same thing with the Bachelor. Right. I mean, there. I don't know or I don't hang out with every Bachelor that's existed for many reasons, but there's some that, like, I really love who are friends of mine who maybe once in every 10 meetings that we have, the Bachelor will get brought up and we'll talk about, oh, yeah, you did that. I did that. That's. We can relate. I think it's the same thing with, like, college and fraternity life is, as Brett was saying, you went to Kansas not knowing anybody, and it was uncomfortable. It was unfamiliar. But through that, you had buddies that walked alongside you, and now, like, you're close to them. It's the same thing with the show.

[Sarah]

Yeah, but it's different, though. I mean, thousands of people have been Fijis. Thousands of people have been Sima Kai's.

[Wells]

Thousands of people have been on the

[Sarah]

show now, where maybe 1500 people have been on the Bachelor.

[Wells]

I mean.

[Sarah]

I mean, it's a very small. Let's say a thousand.

[Wells]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I remember Alon saying he was like, you're in a weird thing of, like, only a few people have ever experienced this thing. And I think we're all, like. We have this weird trauma bond, all of us, from this thing. In a good way, in a bad way, whatever.

[Wells]

I got. Okay, so here's my interpretation of that, because I know you guys have been dying to hear my opinion. I obviously don't have the fraternity experience, but I will say from. From my bat, from my. Thank you, Bob. From my Bachelor experience explicitly. I was on a season with 30 men, right. And I think all of us were whenever we were on the Bachelorette, bread excluded, of course. I talked to one of those people not even regularly, but, like, semi often. Right. And I don't know how you guys function with your fraternity brothers, but I imagine the. The odds of you staying in contact with your fraternity brothers is higher than a regular Bachelorette contestant to stay in contact with the rest. Like the. The only. I have two really good friends from the Bachelorette, Right.

[Sarah]

It's Ben and Wells and Alex.

[Wells]

Yes. He's a. He's a buddy, but, like, I don't talk to him nearly as much. As I talk to you guys, and I don't even talk to you guys that much. Yeah, I guess my point is. I mean.

[Sarah]

I mean to talk to you about that.

[Wells]

I guess my point is maybe I'm just a bad brother at the end of the day. No, my point is it almost seems like there is less of a brotherhood when it comes to the bachelorette than there is a fraternity, at least in my experience. Right. Like, I've got. I've got three, three, maybe four people that I would consider really close friends that were from the bachelorette. And I bet you you would say you have more close friends from your fraternity in college. And again, I am not going to know for sure, but, like, I would assume that all of you have higher numbers when it comes to your fraternity life in college. And to answer your question, it just seems like in my experience, at least it's. It. You're allowed to be maybe a bit more selective as you get older. Maybe that's what it is, but I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a thousand theories. It's formative years. You can still. I mean, you have shared things in common. Like, you can go back to basketball games, you go back to football games, you go back to tailgates. Like, there's reasons to get together. And I think that's a big thing in friendships is adults, is sometimes you love somebody else, but there's not like, distinct reasons to get back together. But with college, there always is. Like, there's always that game. There's always the homecoming, there's always the tailgate that you can come back and gather again, and it just keeps you in contact where with the Bachelor, if we didn't have I heart right, it would be less and less that we'd be able to get together because all of us have our own separate lives. But this brings us back together, and so it keeps us connected. It keeps us sharing moments and stories and memories. So I think this has done what a fraternity would do 20, 30 years out. It brings you back together again. It's a reason to gather.

[Sarah]

And thanks, everyone, for listening to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life. Hey, fraternity boys. Answering questions about sorority questions. See you later. We gotta stop doing this show right now.

[Jennifer Kessler]

Yeah. Nice job.

[Sarah]

That's a wrap, everyone.

[Jennifer Kessler]

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