Dirty Rush: Revenge of the Nerds… Mansplaining Sorority Life

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod – Dirty Rush: Revenge of the Nerds… Mansplaining Sorority Life

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Date: October 26, 2025
Hosts for Dirty Rush Takeover: Ben and Bob
Main Episode Theme:
A humorous, candid exploration of sorority life as told through the male perspective, featuring interviews with former fraternity members about their experiences interacting with sorority houses, the culture of Greek life, social dynamics, and memorable college moments.

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Episode Overview

This special installment of the Dirty Rush podcast (guest hosted by Ben and Bob) is all about lifting the curtain on sorority life – not from the inside, but from the sometimes clueless, often entertaining male point of view. Listeners are treated to stories from fraternity alumni across different universities as they reminisce about rivalries, friendships, tradition, social pecking orders, and the peculiar but persistent myths and realities that define sorority culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. First Impressions of Sorority Life

• Caller Rod (Indiana University) (03:05–07:15)

  • Sororities seen as aspirational but inaccessible for some fraternity guys.
  • The dominance of certain houses, such as Pi Phi (“the angels”) and the legendary status of some due to their drama and “hot-crazy matrix.”
  • Stories about fraternity-sorority house dynamics, including how fraternity houses often become messy compared to their spotless sorority counterparts.

  Rod: “There’s always fun, but there’s a little bit of psycho in there…it’s really fun in college, it gets interesting out of college, because it’ll just be like a Tuesday night…” (06:13)

• Greek System Social Hierarchies:

  • Indiana’s ‘top houses’ and social reputation, the changes caused by some fraternities/sororities getting shut down due to on-campus incidents.

2. Greek Food Wars

• Food Quality & Traditions (09:42–11:10)

  • Fraternity house food typically considered terrible (“Our chef was right out of prison…”).
  • Sorority house food is healthier but not always appealing (“everything is organic, kale biscuit and these superfoods that sucked”).
  • Creative tactics for free meals and sidestepping fundraisers, such as wristband sharing.

  Rod: “I never walked around my house barefoot ever…in the sorority home, there was definitely a sense like, oh, someone’s mom was just here.” (09:42)
  Ben: “I always made sure I sat by the window just in case one of my friends walked by and he saw me, you know, sitting in there eating lunch with all of the Zetas. It always gave me a sense of pride.” (11:42)

3. Fraternity-Sorority Relationships & Social Dynamics

• Caller Todd (UC Berkeley/Cal) (16:20–22:29)

  • What made Kappa stand out? “Cool confidence” and not “try-hard,” uncommon at that age.
  • Friendships within Greek life are intense and quickly formed as everyone is new and seeking connection.
  • The issue of being “claimed” by a sorority member (when a girl makes her interest in you known, her friends “respect the claim” and stay away).

  Todd: “There was a girl…everybody knew really liked me…so that made everybody…completely feel like I was off limits. And that was a shame because I wasn’t interested in a relationship with this girl to the depth that she was interested in me, and her friends respected her well enough…that they didn’t cross the boundary.” (19:43)

  • Dating etiquette: don’t immediately date the friend/sister of your ex in the same house; timing and tact are key.
  • Reflections on producer Amy’s sorority days (“organized, reliable, fun and not stressed from day one”) showing how Greek skills translate past college.

4. Choosing Favorites & Assessing Sorority Culture

• Caller Cruz (University of Washington) (28:43–38:51)

  • Greek Life as a Legacy: For some, participation follows family tradition.
  • The word “sorority” triggers ideas of both ‘fun’ and ‘drama.’
  • Favorite houses: Thetas and Pi Phis (“those are the ones that come to mind, those are who we hung out with the most”).
  • Who’d they avoid? Less interaction with houses like Tri Delt or Kappa Delta, primarily due to proximity and compatibility.

  Cruz: “With the smaller Greek system at UW, it’s, everybody knows everybody…but you gravitate to who you like, and geographic proximity really matters.” (31:44)

  • Unique UW tradition: Freshmen move directly into fraternity/sorority houses, “porches” (large communal bunk rooms) intensify the dorm-style bonding.
  • Classic, memorable tradition: The “pots and pans” wakeup at sister sororities before the big game, marking the start of college friendships (37:12).

5. Reflections on Maturity, Memories & The True Value of Greek Life

• What Lasts after Graduation? (24:03, 39:03, 40:47)

  • The fondest memories aren’t always the wildest parties, but the friendships, support, and maturation.
  • Greek life isn’t about “paying for friends” but about connection, making big schools smaller, and growing up.

  Ben: “What people are going to remember is who you were to them, it isn’t necessarily the pursuit of attention, but the pursuit of trying to figure out who you are to yourself and others. And I think that’s what’s going to last until your 50s…” (25:24)

  • The “sorority appeal” for many men is rooted in the sense of community and women’s ability to maintain friendships in close quarters under competitive conditions.

  Ben: “There was a big attraction to people that were a part of sororities for me because of their ability to get along with other women…in a close proximity in a fairly competitive environment and do it with like joy and friendship and commitment.” (41:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rod (06:13): “There’s always fun, but there’s a little bit of psycho in there.”
• Ben (11:42): “I always made sure I sat by the window just in case one of my friends walked by and he saw me…eating lunch with all of the Zetas…a sense of pride.”
• Todd (19:43): “There was a girl…everybody knew really liked me…so that made everybody…completely feel like I was off limits.”
• Cruz (29:57): “[When I hear] sorority: drama, probably.”
• Cruz (37:12): “You wake up early…grab all the pots and pans…walk over to your sister’s sorority house and wake them up at 6am…going down the hallways…banging the pots and pans…that’s like the meeting point for everyone.”
• Ben (25:24): “What people are going to remember is who you were to them…trying to figure out who you are…that’s what’s going to last until your 50s.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Fraternity & Sorority Social Hierarchies and Stories: 03:05–08:53
• Sorority vs. Fraternity House Living & Food: 09:42–13:05
• Greek Life in California & “Claiming”: 16:20–22:29
• College Maturity, Lifelong Lessons: 24:03–25:43
• Greek Life at UW, Unique Traditions, and Proximity: 28:43–34:34
• Would You Date Outside Your Preferred Sororities?: 35:08–36:51
• Most Memorable Greek Tradition at UW: 37:12–38:22
• Reflections & Lasting Values: 39:03–42:33

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, humorous, and a bit irreverent, the hosts and guests poke fun at themselves and the Greek system, but also offer genuine insights and affection for their college experiences.
• The episode feels like a reunion of old friends swapping stories rather than a formal roundtable discussion.
• Occasional tongue-in-cheek “mansplaining” is self-aware, more nostalgic than critical.

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Summary Takeaway

This Dirty Rush episode is a nostalgic, sometimes tongue-in-cheek ode to everything that makes (and made) college Greek life both ridiculous and memorable. From traditions and rivalries to the subtleties of dating and sorority reputations, listeners hear real stories about why fraternity guys cared—then and now—about their sister houses. The heart of the episode, though, is about friendship, growing up, and the weird ways college leaves a lasting mark, for better or worse.

Transcript

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[Ben]

Sorority life, with your hosts, me, Gia.

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[Ben]

Ben and Bob here still with the Dirty Rush podcast. We have some incredible guy callers calling in to share their perspective on the sorority life. Let's get to them now.

[Bob]

All right, we're gonna welcome our next caller to the show. Let's welcome in Rod. Hey, Rod.

[Ben]

How are you?

[Rod]

Oh, hey, guys. Sorry, my phone's blowing up. Must be the name. So weird. He wants me to get his cat from his basement. What a creep.

[Bob]

Oh, my God. It sounds like a guy. First of all, what kind of neighbor has a cat these days? I mean, aren't we all dog people to this? I mean, what are we doing with cats?

[Rod]

Well, I. I don't. I don't have a cat anymore, but I used to have a cat before Mittens was run over by a car.

[Ben]

If you.

[Bob]

Oh, my Lord.

[Rod]

So before we rub salt, I used to be a cat guy, but, yeah, understood everyone.

[Bob]

Everyone moves on for one reason or another, I'm sure.

[Rod]

Perhaps.

[Bob]

So, Rod, let's talk about this.

[Cruz]

So we're.

[Bob]

We're here. The show is called Dirty Rush, and we're talking about our college experiences, both, you know, as perhaps members of fraternities, but also with different sororities. And what really, you know, drew us to those sororities and. Etc. You know, what was your experience like and. And what sororities were like, the top houses where you were.

[Rod]

So in terms of. Well, I was in a. I was in a fraternity, so I didn't, you know, I. I only got to see the sororities from afar. They wouldn't. They wouldn't talk to me so much. But it was.

[Bob]

You were a GDE, is that they call it the GDEs.

[Ben]

No.

[Bob]

GDIS.

[Rod]

No, those are. Those are.

[Todd]

Those.

[Rod]

Those are the people that didn't talk to anybody. I only got to talk. Yeah, I talked to my fraternity. We love dudes. It was like we were lucky if we had girls come over and say hi to us. I was. No, the guys were great. I was in a fun house. But I think, you know, as far as it relates to my school, Indiana University, it was, go, Hoosiers.

[Ben]

I'm an Indiana graduate.

[Rod]

That's right. Go. Who's your daddy? That's what my master would always say to me.

[Ben]

What. Wait, timeout. What year did you graduate?

[Rod]

I graduated in 2022.

[Bob]

Okay, so you're a recent. Relatively recent graduate. Any familiarity with the house from. Were they on campus still?

[Rod]

Oh, of course they were. They had a lot of fun. Chemicals going on upstairs. They were all. They're all. I think they're all aspiring pharmaceutical majors, I'm sure.

[Todd]

Interesting.

[Bob]

Interesting. Yeah.

[Ben]

We're no longer a part of campus.

[Rod]

Oh, well, that. It's a beautiful house. I think they inspired. I'm pretty sure they inspired 1600 Pennsylvania in Washington. I. I think that's. I think the White House dedication said, you know, this is. This is. This isn't. This isn't bad.

[Bob]

Let's see what we should go with. Let's do this. I like it. I like it. So what sororities were the big ones when you were there?

[Rod]

We talking, like, big as in, like.

[Bob]

I think we're talking, like, more popular, perhaps, I hear.

[Rod]

Okay, so not like The Taco Bell, 3:00am Well, I got you. Okay.

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[Ben]

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[Bob]

Yes.

[Rod]

Big popular. I mean, a. Kind of timeless.

[Bob]

There was.

[Rod]

I had a lot of good friends in GI. They were really fun. PI Fi. The angels. As. My mom was a PI Fi. Not there, but I. I like to think there is, you know, PI at every school. They always. They got like, sleeper cells. Like, they can always kind of activate and. And they.

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They.

[Rod]

They have that. They're always fun, but there's a little bit of psycho in there. So any given day, it's like.

[Bob]

That hot, crazy matrix.

[Rod]

Yeah. Yeah. And that's really fun. In college, it gets. It gets interesting out of college because it'll just be like a Tuesday night, and you're like, wait a second. I just. I just want to watch the game. And all of a sudden it's like, come on. But no, they were PI Five were great. You know, we. I only heard. You might have heard this, Ben. But I. I didn't have the pleasure of interacting with. But I did hear the tale of such at Indiana. I think they.

[Ben]

Something.

[Rod]

And then I think they actually got squeezed out by the university because they, too were into their pharmaceuticals. And so they were. That. They probably. They probably weren't FDA approved ready, you know, to be on the shelves as pbs. But I think they were really good at pushing medicine around campus.

[Ben]

Yeah. What house were you in at Indiana?

[Rod]

I was a Phi Kappa Psi. I guess I still. I still am Phi Kappa Psi Phi for life. Yeah, no, those. Those guys are great. We actually had a. Interesting Little deal here, because before I got there, FISAI apparently was, well, what you call Top House. And then they. They got in a little snafu with. I don't know, they had a couple of animals come in during pledgeship. Like. Like farm animals.

[Ben]

And I don't.

[Rod]

I don't know if that was allowed. And they got booted. And so Sigma Kappa was actually the sitting resident at the fraternity house. And when I got there, there was a bidding war. Believe this. This is, like, it was political. There was a bidding war for who gets to be in the FISA house. And so right when I was pledging, where I was pledging in a parking garage because that's where HQ was, they got the rights of the house back. Yeah, they had. They had a. They had a. We'll call it Base Operation Charlie for all you Call of Duty players. Outpost Delta is where we were at. And. And so we moved over one day to the. The big house. And it was. And it was spotless because those girls were clean. And it took us about a week before that place was filthy. It was a pigsty. During welcome Week, we set off the fire alarm about every other weekend. And then we got a letter from the dean. Basically said, no more. Like, you never again. And I looked at that. I was like, never. What happens if there was, like, a real fire?

[Bob]

So never again. Never again. Really?

[Rod]

Exactly.

[Bob]

Dean Wormer.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Now, the two of you. I think this is one of my fondest memories of sororities. The food. You know, it was strategic when I was there to make friendships with great people that were real friends, but also to get them to invite you for lunches because it was convenient to walk to for class. The fraternity house food was. Was terrible. Yeah. A few meals were edible. Others weren't. Sorority houses you walk into. And when I said this originally, Rod, I said, we're going to talk about fraternity houses and sorority homes. I mean, it. Sororities always felt like a home to me. They just felt better to be in than where I was living.

[Rod]

Yeah, I did. I. I never walked around my house barefoot ever. You know, in the sorority home, right. There was definitely a sense of, like, oh, someone's mom was just here, but with the food. I am gonna. I am gonna disagree with you for one second, because the food at sorority houses, remember, you gotta understand, like, we're in a new era of. Of woman, where it's like, everything is organic and everything is, like, you know, green and, like, there were no vegetables in Indiana, but they still found a way to ship them out to the PI Fi house. And so it was like, kale biscuit and, like, these superfoods that sucked. And we had an actual. Like, our chef was right out of prison because, like, there was, like, a good pipeline from, I think, Scott county prison to Indiana food service.

[Ben]

That's fair. You're not wrong.

[Rod]

So I think. I think. I can't remember his name, but I know one of his best courses at prison was fried Fridays. And so every Friday, we just had cheese french fries, and chicken tenders. Yeah, that was. That was a hit. I don't. I don't recall having the best diet there, but it was. It was a lot of good eating, you know?

[Ben]

You're not wrong. I remember. Yes. So much fried food at Indiana. I mean, I'm from Indiana also, so.

[Rod]

I grew up in the Carmel area or. What part of Indiana?

[Ben]

No, northern Indiana. Warsaw. Indiana.

[Rod]

Warsaw. Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. So I'm from the north side, north part of the state. We have fried food there. I want to give a quick shout out to the Zetas. They happily fed me for lunches, and they were a nice group of people, and it was always enjoyable to go over there. I always also felt, like, a sense of pride. Like, when I would sit there at lunch, they had these big windows that overlooked. Or that the street that was busy with students walking past would. Could look inside. And I always made sure I sat by the window just in case one of my friends walked by and he saw me, you know, sitting in there eating lunch with all of the Zetas. It always gave me a sense of. Of pride.

[Rod]

Yeah, no, for sure. Like. Like, look at me. I made it. Kind of.

[Ben]

Yeah, I made it. You guys can't come into this party, but I'm inside enjoying myself with a nice cup of tea, and, you know.

[Rod]

Yeah. No one can only dream. I never saw the inside of that house except for when they did. I was never invited like that. Of course. That was. That was too, too kind. They had fundraisers. Do you guys remember, like, at the beginning, it would be like, pasta nights, like, the pasta feeds. You know, they were all like, anybody could go. You spend 10 bucks, and anybody could go. But I remember that we would all. We found a loophole where one guy paid and got the wristband. He would kind of just like, yeah, give the wrist. We have the biggest guy. Go pay. So some guy with, like, a ginormous wrist he would get. And I think after that, they saw it, and so years later, they probably changed it to the stamp method because he couldn't peel off. But I remember I. I didn't pay. Oh, I'm outing myself. I did. I was there in spirit, like eating. But we didn't. I didn't. I didn't help raise any funds.

[Ben]

No, it's college. We. Nobody has money. Rod, thanks for joining us today. You are a gift and a pleasure. Thanks for coming on the Dirty Rush podcast and sharing all the amazing things about Indian University and how every single person in the United States should try to get in because it is spectacular.

[Bob]

Next level guys.

[Rod]

Thank you.

[Bob]

Thanks Rod.

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[Bob]

So our next guest on Dirty Rush, we're going to call him Todd, which I think is a great made up name. Todd, welcome to the show. So Ben and I have been talking to amongst ourselves as well as some guests today about their experience with both fraternity and sorority life back in the college days. And were you a cow guy?

[Todd]

Yeah, I was a cow guy.

[Bob]

My wife was a, a Kappa at California.

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[Bob]

As I recall, is one of the top houses of course at Cal, but nationally, without question. Were they one of your favorite sororities as well?

[Todd]

Absolutely. Yeah. I dated and were friends with many, many Kappa. They were the best.

[Bob]

Yeah. Seem to what made them so much different than the other houses on campus? Like what were the qualities that you saw there?

[Todd]

They had a cool confidence that was kind of uncommon. You know, people coming up in that age range and trying to be social and be desirable kind of had a try hard element at times. And Kappa had a cool kind of confidence that you didn't see elsewhere.

[Ben]

How well, Todd, or you know, when you were in school, how well did you get to know the sororities? I mean, if you look at this now with a real life perspective you're pledging, you get into your house, you have about three years, two and a half before senior year hits and everybody starts to do their own thing to really get to know people. And it seems like you do in Greek life. So I guess my question is how well did you actually get to know people? And then the second question to that is like, why was it so easy in such an expedited time frame to get to know the houses while you're at school?

[Todd]

Well, yeah, I got to know people very well. And I think like anywhere in life you gravitate towards people with similar background or in my case, my case, similar sense of human humor. I don't really care about anybody's background. I really more care about what makes them laugh and does that make it fun to hang out with. And then I think it's so easy to fast track friendships because you're all thrown into a new environment. And so, you know, I was a kid who went from my high school to my college, and I didn't bring any friends with me. And so it was a opportunity to meet all different kinds of people, and you just very quickly meet. Meet the ones that you want to spend time with.

[Ben]

Now, you two are both very handsome men. I'm assuming in college you were sought after. One of the notes here from our producers and also some of the former or the other host of the show, the actual host of this show, they. They talk about being claimed. Sorority girls claim fraternity guys, they said. So my question for the two of you. Were you ever claimed by a sorority girl, and how did you handle it?

[Bob]

Yeah, that's an interesting question.

[Todd]

There was one instance where there was a girl who everybody knew really liked me. She was outward about it, and so that just made everybody in her close peer group completely feel like I was off limits. And that was a shame because I wasn't interested in a relationship with this girl to the depth that she was interested in me. And her friends respected her well enough or were fearful enough that they didn't cross the boundary. So, yeah, there was a small group of people that were not on the table for me because of that situation, sadly.

[Ben]

Bob.

[Bob]

Yeah, you know, I. I didn't really know what that question meant when you first said it. So I'm. I'm really glad that Todd answered it because it helped provide some clarity. So. Thank you, Todd. Yeah, I think I might have had a similar situation to that, where I kind of had to fall into the friend zone, I guess, with a few of the other girls that I might have been interested in at the time, because one of their friends had kind of, you know, made it known that. That she was. She was a. You know, it was into me in a different way, and I always saw her more as just a friend. So I do. Yeah, I recall going through something like that myself. So, yeah, I know what you mean by that. It can happen.

[Ben]

The. The interesting thing here is the dynamics within sorority houses. Now, I don't know that your backgrounds, but I'm assuming that you enjoyed having a good time at day parties, going on dates, those types of things. How did you two handle it within sorority houses? If you were just dating somebody that ended and then you were interested in somebody else that maybe was a sister of hers in the same house? Did that ever cause awkward Moments.

[Todd]

I think you just had to be a little bit conscious of the time frame. You would not do well in a long term, you know, a four year school. You would not do well going from A to B directly. You kind of have to give it a little bit of empty time and then of course you can pursue somebody else. It's the, the sorority lines are not that clear cut.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Bob]

And it always helped if the person that you split up with started dating someone else before you, you know, moved in on, on someone else. So for example, if you're dating a girl in, you know, the Alpha Fee house, for example, and you guys break up and she starts to date some other guy, well then of course it's okay for you to ask her friend out. Right. But if she's not dated anyone new since then, you probably need to pump the brakes, I would guess.

[Ben]

Todd, thanks for joining us today. Thank you for doing this. Just fun little ending here. You do know one of our producers, Amy from Cal. Can you give us what you remember about Amy when she was in sorority life at California?

[Todd]

Amy in college in general was. I'm not surprised where she is today, that's for sure. Amy was organized, reliable, fun, and not stressed from day one. I mean, I'm talking. I met the girl when she was 17 years old and she was already like dealing with life properly. I have so much respect for her.

[Ben]

Not stressed is an interest. I, I don't know. Amy not stressed.

[Todd]

Well, Amy likes to get busy with things, but Amy knows, she knows how to do it. And so I think that's just part of her process.

[Ben]

That's.

[Bob]

Yeah, I like that.

[Ben]

Yeah. I cannot imagine Amy Sugarman and a sorority. I mean, she had to be like not only president, but social chair, also in charge of all sporting events and activities. I mean, I can't imagine the list that she had, the resume she came.

[Bob]

Out of college to do list on a daily basis.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, it'd be wild. Todd, thanks for joining us today. We appreciate it.

[Todd]

Thank you.

[Bob]

I like this. I mean, we've learned a lot about people today, right? Ben, what have you learned?

[Ben]

You know, I've, I've really learned that a few houses stand up above the rest. Bob?

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You know, no matter where you're at, in which part of the country, if you're in the Midwest at Indiana University or Michigan State or you're way on the co at Cal, some of the same houses continue to get brought up time after time again, which I think is a credit to those homes. And to what and to what they stand for. I've also learned it's really fun for me because I mean, college was a wild time and all of us are discovering ourselves. We're all insecure in our own ways. We're trying to make new friendships, we're trying to get ourselves out into the world. We're trying to network. We're doing all the things, like in a very expedited time frame. And it gets crazy. It does. As Rod mentioned and you know, was, was removed for good reasons, reasons I would never fight. Yet you look at those guys today and you look at the men we've talked to today and we look at you and it's fun for me to see how life matures us also in a sense where these are great memories and stories to look back on, but you're not. Nobody that we've brought on has said, oh my gosh, this one party we, we threw was the craziest time. That was the coolest moment ever. No, that's not getting brought up. Instead, I think the context here is for the people listening is what people are going to remember is who you were, who you were to them, how you know, how that you treated them. And it isn't necessarily the, the, the pursuit of attention, but the pursuit of trying to figure out who you are to yourself and others. And I think that's what's going to last until your 50s, which so many of these people are that we're talking to.

[Bob]

Right? No, I agree, I agree with you, man. It has been nice to hear that. Been kind of a recurring theme.

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[Ben]

Our next caller is a avid listener, so to the Dirty Rush Podcast. A huge fan of the show and very excited to be here. Cruz, welcome.

[Cruz]

Yeah, thank you for having me on.

[Ben]

Cruz, you're here because you care about sororities and fraternities. Can you give us a little background of why you care?

[Cruz]

Yeah, I think it probably stems from my dad. He was in a fraternity and same with his father so kind of ingrained in me. And then my brother as well and followed my brother to college and chose the same fraternity as both of them. So it's kind of just a legacy thing for me. And then sisters as well. They've joined sororities as well. So what fraternity is is Beta Beta Theta PI.

[Bob]

Ah yes, the Beta Theta Pies. It's a good.

[Ben]

It's a good one. Now we're really here today to talk about sororities. We haven't asked anybody this question yet? Well, when I say, and goodness gracious, Cruz, as a fan of this show, I know you know how these things work. But when I say the word sorority, what comes to mind?

[Cruz]

Drama, probably.

[Ben]

What else?

[Bob]

Fun.

[Cruz]

Sororities are fun.

[Ben]

Bob, do you agree with that?

[Bob]

Yeah, I do. I mean, you know, there is a lot, and I'm not sure of Cruz's order or if that was just what was coming up, but I think fun and drama probably could be, you know, at the top of the same pyramid there as far as the emotional, you know, responses you might get when you're, you know, having fun at a sorority house or with a sorority group of sorority girls. But, yeah, I think fun is definitely the key. Right. The whole point of the Greek system, I think, is meeting people, making lifelong friends, and having fun building your circles.

[Ben]

Cruz, we're talking today about some of our top sororities. If you had a top sorority that comes to mind that you enjoyed being around, what which one would you mention?

[Cruz]

I think Theta was probably who we hung out with the most and who we enjoyed the most. And then obviously, our sister sorority was PI Fi, so would have to show love to them as well. But to me, those are the ones that come to mind.

[Ben]

And then which ones would you stay away from? Maybe didn't hang out with as much.

[Cruz]

Didn'T get to interact with Trident a lot or faimu. I would say Tridel Kappa Delta KD were probably the ones we interacted with least.

[Ben]

And is that just based on kind of this? Where'd you go to school?

[Cruz]

I was school at University of Washington.

[Ben]

Is that just because of the setup of the school, or is that because the social hierarchy or what was the reasoning?

[Cruz]

Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. It's a smaller Greek system at uw, so it's. It's. Everybody knows everybody, so it's not like we didn't know them and we didn't interact with them, but it was just kind of like what we would do, who we would associate with when we were going out. You know, we like the same things as the thetas and the PI 5, so we were just drawn to them more naturally. And also from a geographical standpoint, their houses were right next to us. And at uw, everyone lives in the house, starting from day one as a freshman going through junior year. So that's kind of unique. And they were right next to us, so it's, you know, it's really easy to pop over and just say, what's up? After classes and whatnot.

[Bob]

So that's the second time we've heard this. The proximity thing is like a big deal, right? I think it's going to be university specific on that one too. Like, like Cruz said, you know, they're, they were, they were a smaller Greek system. So being right next door, making it easy, I mean, I think any fraternity, any sorority living next door to each other are going to hang out first and foremost. Right. But like, when it's a smaller collection of people, then that proximity really probably helps a great deal.

[Ben]

The thing that I loved about university was the dorm life. I thought the dorm life was, was one of the best things ever. And there's benefits to Greek life and there's benefits to everybody moving out of the dorms. But the thing that I loved about being in the dorms was that everybody was equal. You didn't, you know, everybody had the same living situation. You had to live in a dorm. Your freshman year there was, you know, all of us were compact on top of each other. We had a co ed dorm. So it was always the shuffling of, you know, who was taking the showers when and how weird was it, you know, to be doing that whole dance. Just a really, like, fun time, honestly. So it's interesting to me to think that you would live in the fraternity house starting freshman year. Was that a benefit to you when it comes to your relationships or sororities or do you feel like you missed out on that? You know, what's common, which is the dorm life?

[Rod]

Yeah.

[Cruz]

So I would say there's pros and cons. UW is very unique in that because of the size and just, I think tradition with the school. You move in right away into the fraternity. But they do it in a unique way where both stories and fraternities have these things called porches for the new incoming class. So for guys, we had a porch in our fraternity and it was one room and it's military style bunks and you have all 30 guys living in the same room sharing everything. And it's like your communal space. And the girls had the same thing in their sororities. So it kind of takes what you're talking about in the dorms to a whole new level where you're like really packed on top of each other. So it was a lot of fun. But obviously it has, you know, its pros and cons. You're not like living on the same floor as girls or sorority girls. So it's. Yeah, I would say it has pros and cons, Bob.

[Ben]

This is A question for the two of you. You know, little background Cruise. Bob did marry somebody who was a part of a sorority, a really great sorority at that. I'll start with you, Cruz, because Bob's married. He found his incredible wife. Cruz, if now at this point in your life, you meet somebody who is a part of. Of a sorority that you're just like, had a really bad taste in your mouth about in college, would that throw you off when it comes to a future with her or would that come into play at all?

[Cruz]

I mean, I think it would be on the back of my mind at some point, but at the end of the day, we're all different people in college than we are post grad, I think, you know, I myself like to party and I wouldn't want someone holding that against me and if about things that I did in college. So I would approach it with an open mind. But, you know, it's definitely still there, lingering.

[Ben]

Bob, would you have taken a second, you know, thought if the sorority that was mentioned wasn't one that you had fond memories of?

[Bob]

You know, I don't know. I mean, it's funny, when you asked Cruz that question, I was thinking, I was like, did I care? I honestly didn't even care when I met Canyon. I was 40 when I met her, right? So at that point I was like, oh, whatever. But I won't, I won't lie, it did kind of of it was a pleasant surprise when she was like, oh, yeah, I was a. I was a Kappa. And I'm like, no way. We always hung out with the Kappas, you know, so there was like that, that kind of positive reinforcement, I guess, in a way where I was like, oh, I'm kidding. You know what? She'd probably be friends with a lot of my friends from college who are Kappas, you know, or whatever. In my mind not. And there again, not saying that everyone's alike that's in a fraternity or sorority by, you know, by three Greek letters assigned to it. But. But yeah, it was, it was a pleasant surprise. And, And I'll say like then you. Then you tack on like when I, When I first met Sugarman, which was around that same. Well, I guess. No, it's. It was a. Sooner that I knew Sugarman, but knowing she was a Kappa Cal, you know, Kappa and finding out the Canyon was. I was like, hey, you know, this is an interesting connection. So, yeah, I think, I think there is. There's that positive or that negative reinforcement probably that comes with it, but it doesn't necessarily Define who you think that person going to be at that point.

[Ben]

Cruz, I got a final question for you. Yeah, hit me. When you think back on your time at the University of Washington, you think about specifically your time in the fraternity, associating with the sororities. What memory comes to mind that kind of encapsulates it all?

[Cruz]

Oh, okay. I think this would be week one, freshman year. Everyone is just recently moved into their fraternity or sorority and you've got the big first on campus, game day, Saturday morning. Usually it's the. They. They schedule some preseason, but usually this is like the first big one. And there's a tradition that we do every year at the University of Washington where you wake up early on that Saturday morning before any of the pre gaming or drinking has begun and. And you grab all the pots and pans in your fraternity and you walk over to your sister's sorority house and you wake them up at 6am and you're going down the hallways, going in the rooms, banging the pots and pans, and they have no idea it's coming. And they're coming out like in their pajamas, just woken up and seeing all these new guys from the fraternity for the first time. And then slowly, like over the years, you get to become best friends with some of these girls and eventually, whether you're in relationships with them or whatnot. But like that, that's like the first memory of like the meeting point for everyone. So I think that's really cool and also really funny.

[Ben]

Yeah, like, it would feel to me like an adrenaline rush too. You're already excited to be at university, you're excited to be in your house and you're excited to meet the girls. And now this is the way you do it in this, like, very dramatic. I get it. It would fit to be this incredible, memorable experience. Cruz, thanks for joining us today. Thanks for talking about your experience in Greek life. We appreciate it and we wish you the best.

[Cruz]

Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me on.

[Bob]

Thanks, Cruz.

[Ben]

Bob, you asked me the question, what have I learned so far? What have I taken from this? I want to throw it right back to you as we close up.

[Rod]

Yeah.

[Bob]

You know, I feel like it's interesting, right, because everyone goes through their experience with sororities or fraternities, and I'm sure they come out the other side of it richer in some ways, whether it's a full. A full run or whether it's a shortened experience, you know, like yours was or whatever it might be. I mean, I think everyone comes through it with a different Experience. But one of the things that I felt was kind of. Was kind of interesting almost as a through line on the whole thing was, you know, there were definitely some really fun memories and some really, you know, fun experiences, and a lot of them were tied to the whole social experiment that is Greek life, right? So, I mean, from that perspective, you go into this whole situation and, you know, it's. It's kind of. And it's. It's actually kind of funny when you think about, like, when someone would say, oh, you were on the Bachelor. Why did you have to go on a TV show to meet girls? Right? And you're like, that's not exactly why I did it. But it's also like that with the Greek life. You know, one of the things that you always hear is this common thread is like, you know, I'm not paying for my first friends, right? Is like the thing people used to say about Greek life. And. And, you know, you. You start hearing it. It's like, I don't think anyone that was on this call looked like someone who had to pay for a friend, right? So at the end of the day, they were someone who went into it because they wanted to have that social interaction. They wanted to make a big school smaller. They. Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to do it.

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[Bob]

And one of the things I thought was really interesting was that everybody that was on this call today, even those who weren't in Greek life or dabbled and didn't do it, are someone that I feel like I could be friends with, like someone I feel like I could have a nice friendship with and willing to kind of put it out there and, you know, some fun stories to tell and, you know, all great experiences. So the college experience is what you make it, just like Greek life. It is what you make it, right?

[Ben]

It is. And. And you asked a really good question earlier, Bob, that I wanted to come back to and answer. When I think about my time at school and the people I met, I am very thankful. I mean, I joked about it. I'm very thankful for the Zetas who helped feed me lunch and just like, really kind of like boosting my confidence. I don't know if they even knew they were. But just boosting it just by having me over, that meant a lot to me. Also the other houses that, you know, maybe would invite you over to a party when after, you know, things went south with my experience. But I also think there was a big attraction to people that were a part of sororities for me because of Their ability to get along with other women and get along with other women in a close proximity in a fairly competitive environment and do it with like joy and friendship and commitment. I always have found that attractive. It was very important for me when I met Jessica to find somebody that had a deep bench of friends and people that she relied upon, because that's not common for everybody. It's not everybody's story. But I think when you get into the sororities, you could find the people that were the bridge and, you know, confrontation and also the gatherer to bring the women together. And that was always such an attractive quality. That came out a lot in sororities. And so, yeah, I do think that stood out more than anything else. That was always very like attractive to me.

[Bob]

Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. I get it. Yeah, I get it. I like that answer.

[Ben]

Bob and I have been sitting here today talking from a male's perspective on sorority life. If we offended you in any way, we're sorry. We probably didn't even know we did it. We didn't mean to. We also had some incredible guests who are fans of the Dirty Rush show. Call in some people that we knew, some people that we don't know, but people that are deeply invested into this show and want to share it with you and share their perspectives with you. So continue to listen into the Dirty Rush podcast as the regular better hosts. Come back very soon. Until next time. I've been Ben, I've been Bob.

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