Dirty Rush: Tell me Lies: The Truth About Sorority Life

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: Dirty Rush – Tell Me Lies: The Truth About Sorority Life

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode Air Date: September 27, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Participants: Gia Giudice (host), Daisy Kent, Jennifer Kessler, Producer Tamar, Lauren, Gracie, and anonymous/current sorority women

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Episode Overview

This special “Dirty Rush” edition dives into the real, unfiltered truth about sorority life. Host Gia Giudice and friends (including current and alumni sorority members, some anonymous) tackle common myths, answer burning questions, and spill all the "tea"—from secret passwords to rush drama, relationships, parties, and the realities of sisterhood across generations. The discussion is frank, funny, and sometimes surprising, challenging stereotypes and unveiling sorority culture’s complexities and quirks.

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Key Discussion Points & Themes

1. Secrecy, Tradition, and Identity

• Why anonymity?: Some guests opt for pseudonyms to speak freely, citing a lingering desire to "protect their sorority" and tradition even decades later. (04:24)
  • "Even, like, 30 years later, I still always want to protect my sorority." – Producer Tamar (04:41)
• Chapter room entry & ‘passwords’: Traditions vary widely across chapters and generations. Some have secret handshakes, Greek name passwords, or fingerprints for entry. Many younger members have never heard of sorority 'passwords.'
  • "We had Greek names. So, like, everyone was assigned a Greek name, and you had to say that when you got into chapter." – Lauren (05:36)
  • "I just put my fingerprint in, and then I walked through the door." – Gia (05:49)

2. Are Sororities “Paid Friends”?

• The panel pushes back on the “paid friends” stereotype, clarifying that costs are for events, housing, meals, and shared experiences, not friendship per se.
  • "You're paying for the full experience. You have formals, all these events..." – Lauren (06:54)
• Living in the sorority house is often a more affordable housing option than campus housing or apartments (07:15–08:42). Dues vary—e.g. $1,900–$3,000 per semester; one guest admits, “My parents paid for it.”
  • "Our rent in the house is cheaper than any rent in my college town." – Anonymous Member (07:29)
  • "I think it was, like, $400 a month to live at the house. No bills. It was just, like, $400 flat." – Gracie (08:32)

3. Post-College Friendships

• Experiences vary: Some women remain very close with many sisters, others maintain only a handful of meaningful connections.
  • "I have, like, what, two, maybe super close friends from my sorority still." – Gia (09:04)
  • "All my bridesmaids were my sorority sisters, including my own blood sister." – Gracie (09:34)
• Sorority bonds often intersect with other campus circles and last years after graduation, even following drama (09:57–10:33).

4. Romantic Drama & “Claims”

• Sorority social life is rife with drama around relationships and “claims” on romantic interests, sometimes creating tension or lasting rifts (10:46–12:22).
  • "We call it, like, claims. Like, people would make claims on a boy." – Producer Tamar (11:18)
  • "You got to fight. Everybody was fighting for themselves." – Lauren (11:55)
• Tales of girls getting “territorial” over exes; drama sometimes persists post-college, even affecting marriages (16:05–18:31).
  • "In their marriage, she found out that he had cheated—lost his virginity to somebody else in the same sorority. So it gets sticky and messy." – Gia (18:15)

5. Parties: Reality vs. Myth

• The wild party image is exaggerated, but partying is central—though details vary by campus and era (18:34–19:19).
  • "Not like in the movies where, like, people are jumping off the roof and stuff." – Gracie (18:48)
  • "But honestly, people at mine, like, jumped off the roof." – Gia (18:51)
• Details include sharing vodka bottles at pre-parties, traditions like "haircuts" (pouring alcohol into each other's mouths), and a touch of germophobia as members age (19:19–20:10).

6. Party Access & Exclusivity

• Social dynamics hinge on party invites; different campuses approach access differently (20:43–24:29).
  • On some campuses, wristbands, apps, and “group me” group chats manage entry. Elsewhere, student IDs suffice, or anyone (especially girls) can enter regular fraternity parties, but formals and date parties are exclusive.
  • "I'm the social chair of my sorority. I'm making sure we get the good parties." – Anonymous Member (20:50)
  • "If we were all in the same sorority, I would add all of you guys [to GroupMe]...they would scroll on it to make sure it's real..." – Gia (22:10)
  • "If you were visiting me...I’d put it in that I have a friend visiting. Or honestly, if they thought you were hot, they'd let you in." – Gia (22:44)

7. Ceremonies & Traditions

• Candle passes and ‘pinnings’ are alive and well in some chapters, especially in the South, signifying engagements or being "promised" to marry a fraternity man.
  • "Every single week by chapter...we had a candle pass. There were a lot of ring before spring girls..." – Lauren (25:43)
  • "Pinning is like engaged to be engaged. They give their fraternity pin to the girl." – Producer Tamar (27:14)
• Some found the tradition excessive, others cherish the ritual.

8. Bama Rush, TikTok & Social Media

• Social media, especially TikTok, intensifies recruitment, highlighting and sometimes exaggerating the spectacle (28:10–28:57).
  • "I think like social media has opened up a whole other aspect to it where other people can watch it too." – Gia (28:21)
  • "Not for Ole Miss." – Gracie, on whether TikTok makes it seem more intense than reality (28:19)
• Generational disconnect is apparent: today's viral sorority dances baffle alumni and earlier generations, suggesting a changing culture.

9. Rush “Hot Lists” and Alumni Influence

• Unanimous agreement: yes, “hot lists” exist during recruitment, influenced now by social media scouting. Some alumni actively pull strings to secure bids for favorites.
  • "Do sororities secretly keep hot lists during rush? ... Of course." – Producer Tamar (29:39)
  • "Alumni...it was kind of crazy. ... There was always a rumor about them keeping a girl whose grades were below the requirements." – Gracie (30:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If I had one [a sorority password], I would have to keep it sacred. I get it." – Gracie (06:19)
• "Girls can be shady. ... They're like, oh, you're hanging out with that guy? Well, I'm hooking up with him." – Gia (11:02)
• "If another sorority sister started to date or like, that boy, even months after those two ended..." – Producer Tamar (11:22)
• "Like, if you were a girl, you could just walk in. But for formals or date parties, there's a list or wristband. Tailgates? Anyone can get in." – Lauren (24:05)
• "Boys are the only thing that can get a little sticky in the sorority." – Producer Tamar (17:30)
• "We had a friend... She was terrified to talk to this guy because an upperclassman... claimed him. They were like, you're not going to talk to him, he's ours, and you need to stay in your lane." – Gracie (17:07)
• "All my bridesmaids were my sorority sisters, including my own blood sister, who then joined my sorority." – Gracie (09:34)
• "It's also like, you're away from... you don't have any rules. You feel kind of invincible. ... How many frat guys are DJs? Because literally every frat guy thinks they're inspired so bad." – Gia (20:15)
• "We should get a grandma in here who was in school in the 60s or 70s. Show them a TikTok, they’d be like, what the hell is this?" – Producer Tamar (29:06)
• "Do alumni ever pull strings to control who gets a bid? Totally. 100%. They try." – Producer Tamar & Gracie (30:02–30:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction & Anonymity – 03:29–04:41
• Passwords, Chapter Room Entry, Greek Names – 05:08–06:23
• Are Sororities “Paid Friends”? – 06:35–08:44
• House Costs & Living Logistics – 07:29–08:42
• Maintaining Friendships Post-College – 08:44–10:33
• Romantic Fights & Social Drama – 10:46–12:22; 16:05–18:31
• Party Realities vs. Stereotypes – 18:34–20:38
• Party Access & Social Dynamics – 20:43–24:29
• Ceremonies: Candle Pass & Pinning – 25:19–27:41
• Rush, TikTok, and Social Media – 28:10–29:11
• Rush “Hot Lists” & Alumni Influence – 29:29–30:41

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Tone & Style

The conversation is fast-paced, casual, and humorous. The speakers frequently tease each other, share confessions, and reminisce. There’s a mix of nostalgia, candor, and irony, especially as alumni reflect on their wilder college days with both fondness and disbelief.

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Summary

This episode busts many sorority myths but also confirms that some traditions and rumored drama are real—albeit not always as wild as depicted in pop culture. The landscape is changing, with social media, technology, and new attitudes toward inclusion, privacy, and safety reshaping sorority life. Legacy and alumni influence persist, and rituals carry both genuine meaning and occasionally outdated attitudes. Ultimately, the conversation paints sorority life as a mix of strong traditions, evolving practices, messy friendships, and moments—good and bad—that are unforgettable for those who live them.

Stay tuned for Part Two, as more “juicy” audience questions remain unanswered!

Transcript

[Gia Giudice]

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[Gia Giudice]

Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life, with your hosts, me, Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Okay, everyone, welcome back to Dirty Rush. And today we're talking to some anonymous sorority girls that we have here. Would anyone like to say their actual name, or do we want to keep it anonymous?

[Gracie]

I'll say my name.

[Producer Tamar]

No, I'm kidding.

[Gracie]

Sorry.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I'm kidding.

[Gia Giudice]

I was gonna go with, no.

[Producer Tamar]

I'm the producer. She's the producer. Tamar's the producer.

[Lauren]

So I think I'll say my name. I'm Lauren.

[Gracie]

I'm Gracie.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I can say a fake name.

[Gia Giudice]

I was thinking you all were gonna be like, no. And then I'd be like, we asked our juice to smell.

[Producer Tamar]

Okay, explain why. Here's why we're being so mysterious.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay, so going to be talking about some myths and, like, all the tea around sororities and being, like, actually real with all of you. And so some people are saying anonymous just because they got a lot to say.

[Producer Tamar]

It's very interesting because even, like, 30 years later, I still always want to protect my sorority. I definitely feel that in my. In. In my school. So I'm always like, I better not say.

[Lauren]

But I'm sure.

[Gia Giudice]

No, for sure. It is. I feel like it's such a special thing. Like, sororities can. They can get. Like, people can have bad ideas about them, but also, like, it was such a great thing for me and such a good time in my life. And, like, even the crazy stories, like, I love them, it just, like, it makes college that much more memorable.

[Producer Tamar]

We had an interesting question when we were preparing. Okay, so there's six of us here. Would anyone say their sorority's password publicly? I wouldn't.

[Gracie]

Wait, what password?

[Gia Giudice]

I didn't have a password.

[Producer Tamar]

What do you mean you don't have a password?

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Like, you say, I think this is your.

[Producer Tamar]

The secret word. You don't have a secret password?

[Lauren]

No.

[Gracie]

For what, like, to get in the door?

[Producer Tamar]

Yeah, to get in this. The chapter room door.

[Gia Giudice]

Oh.

[Gracie]

So.

[Producer Tamar]

And, like, two of us, we had a knob.

[Lauren]

We had Greek names. So, like, everyone was assigned a Greek name, and you had to say that when you got into chapter, and that's how you, like, got in the door. And you had to do the handshake. Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I'll tell you my Greek name.

[Gracie]

What was your name?

[Lauren]

Elena.

[Gia Giudice]

I just put my fingerprint in, and then I walked through the door.

[Producer Tamar]

Your fingerprint door? The chapter room door. You had to put your fingerprint in the chapter room door?

[Gia Giudice]

Well, our chapter room was our. Oh, it was like.

[Producer Tamar]

So two of us who will remain nameless are in the same sorority here, and we will say the password to each other and give each other the handshake. But we wouldn't say it to you guys.

[Gia Giudice]

Like, you wouldn't tell me when we're off air?

[Producer Tamar]

No, that's kind of mean. But I would say it to the other person that was in my side.

[Gia Giudice]

I know. Like, I get that.

[Gracie]

If I had one, I would have to keep it sacred. I get it.

[Producer Tamar]

I don't know why you guys don't have one.

[Gracie]

I think because technology.

[Gia Giudice]

Times have changed, clearly.

[Producer Tamar]

I think things have changed. Okay, Daisy, hit us with the more questions.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay, well, here we go. So I know we've talked a lot in, like, past episodes about how it's expensive to be in a sorority. Do you guys think sororities are paid friends?

[Producer Tamar]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, say that again so I can really take that in. You're paying to have friends.

[Gia Giudice]

Do you think sorority. In a sorority, you are paying to have friends?

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[Gia Giudice]

No.

[Lauren]

What an interesting take. I wouldn't say so either. You're paying for the full experience. You have formals, all these events, and it's like, it.

[Producer Tamar]

I don't know. My sorority was paying to live there and have food.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

You're also paying dues to live in the house. I think it goes so far beyond having friends. I don't think that's the reason you're paying. I wouldn't say it.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I think for me, like, my freshman year at least, I wanted to find a community. And so I felt like, sure, paying for my friends was, like, an easy way to do that, but also, like, living in the house, too. Like, our rent in the house is cheaper than any rent in my college town.

[Gia Giudice]

That is so true.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

That was, like, the financially smarter decision to. To make.

[Lauren]

I feel like so many people have. That have said that same thing. It's cheaper to live in.

[Gia Giudice]

Grace, how much was yours? Because you were at Ole Miss, which is, like, a huge school.

[Gracie]

I don't exactly remember. I'm gonna be honest. My parents paid for it, but I'm.

[Gia Giudice]

Just gonna be upfront about it.

[Gracie]

So, like, pre. So our. Like I said in the other episode, our house flooded my freshman year. So our old house, the dues were very, like, really low. I think they were, like, 1900.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Gia Giudice]

But then.

[Gracie]

And that was three meals a day, and you used the house, like, at all hours. Like, you could have it at all. We weren't living there. But to be. You could use it, be fed three times a day, which was way cheaper than the meal plans that you paid for on campus. But then once we got the new house, I'm pretty sure it was, like.

[Gia Giudice]

In the 3,000 per semester, like, if you lived in. Or was that.

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[Producer Tamar]

Still really cheap?

[Gracie]

Yeah. Just to, like. Yeah. Okay, good. I'm glad.

[Lauren]

I'm not.

[Producer Tamar]

I thought that was for $1,000 a month. That's.

[Gracie]

I mean, I think it was, like, $400 a month to live at the house. No bills. It was just, like, $400 flat.

[Gia Giudice]

And then the three grand, like, on top of that.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. So it makes more sense to live in.

[Gracie]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. This kind of leads into our next question. So are you still friends with all your sisters? Everyone?

[Gracie]

Yes.

[Producer Tamar]

Yes. And I'm 50 over 50 years old. And I would say right now I could call 25 people in 10 minutes.

[Gia Giudice]

That's amazing. I'm different. I'm not. You're not. Okay.

[Producer Tamar]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

I have, like, what, two, maybe super close friends from my sorority still. I mean, I feel like I could, if I was in a bind, call any of them. Not any. That's loose. Not any of them. I would say probably a handful.

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[Gia Giudice]

I am not.

[Producer Tamar]

That's so interesting. Yeah. We did a calculation the other day. If we threw a party of just, like, six years of my sorority, we got to 150 people in, like, literally 10 minutes.

[Gracie]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

That's how I feel. My.

[Gracie]

I just got married a couple months ago, and all my bridesmaids were my sorority sisters, including my own blood sister, who was. Then joined my sorority. And then I had a house party because there were so many of us. I couldn't have 17 bridesmaids. I was gonna be the number, and I just felt like that was a little crazy. So I did a house party, and the other girls besides Daisy and, like, three others were my sorority sisters.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

What about you, Daisy?

[Gia Giudice]

Me?

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

I'm like. So at San Diego State, I. My roommate freshman year, Christy, I was in Alpha Fee. She was in PI Phi. And we both, like, found our groups, like, within, like, she had her group in PI Fi, I had my group in Alpha Fee. And then we kind of, like morphed everyone together. So, like, most of my friends, all my friends, like, outside of college were an Alpha Fee or PI Fi. And then I have, like, a couple friends that I did, like, stuff at school with. But, like, for the most part, I'm the closest with them.

[Producer Tamar]

I would say we have that at my school. Kappa DG PI Phi. And everyone's still friends?

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yeah.

[Gracie]

Where did you go to school?

[Lauren]

Berkeley.

[Producer Tamar]

Okay, so much for being anonymous.

[Gracie]

I was like, not to exploit you, but I have to know.

[Gia Giudice]

We should, like, have the logos of the schools, like, pop up. This seems shocking. Okay. Do girls fight over boys when you're in a sorority?

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yes.

[Producer Tamar]

Massive.

[Gracie]

No, I never experienced that.

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What?

[Gia Giudice]

I can say yes, fight. But it's like, like, girls, like. I mean, girls can be shady. And they're like. They're like, oh, you're. You're like, hanging out with that guy. Well, like, I'm, like, hooking up with them.

[Producer Tamar]

Yes.

[Gracie]

I never had that.

[Producer Tamar]

We call it, like, claims. Like, people would make claims on a boy.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

And then if another sorority sister, like, even months after those two ended, if another sorority sister started to date or like, that boy.

[Gracie]

Oh, yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

Yeah.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I don't think. I don't know if I find it that dramatic. Like, I would never, you know, start things with, like, a guy that my sorority sister had been with.

[Gracie]

Oh.

[Producer Tamar]

I was like, I don't know.

[Lauren]

There's only so many boys going to say. I went to a school that was 60% girls and 40% boys, so it was slim picking.

[Gia Giudice]

You got to fight.

[Lauren]

Everybody was fighting for themselves. But I mean, seriously, like, I feel like every week there was a new just draw drama between girls because it was like, don't kiss someone that your sorority sister had kissed. But that's impossible. You're in college. Whatever.

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[Gia Giudice]

I remember being, like, if, like, older girls in my sorority, if, like, someone in my pledge class, like, started, like, talking to them, and, like, you come in as a freshman, you don't know anything, but, like, say, like, a girl starts talking to an upperclassman's, like, ex boyfriend or something like that and starts hooking up with them, like, it's, like, crazy. And it's like, you should not do that. Like, you, like. And it's almost like then, like, that friend group, like, will, like, not, like, attack you, but, like. You know what I mean?

[Producer Tamar]

It's so funny looking back now, because, like I said, it's been 30 years, but I remember I kissed a boy that my big sister in the sorority dated. Yeah. And I don't think she was too happy about it. And now I'm totally still, totally friends with her. I don't even think if, like, we called her right now, she'd even be able to name who the boy was.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

I mean, I remember. Cause it was a little bit more dramatic for me.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Gracie]

Well, we have a friend, and she. The upperclassman thing.

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[Sophie Cunningham]

Yes.

[Gia Giudice]

I was like, who are we talking to that about?

[Gracie]

She was, like, terrified to talk to this guy because an upperclassman, I guess, they claimed him.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Gracie]

It's literally how she described it. They, like, were like, you are not gonna talk to him. He's ours, and he's older than you, and you need to stay in your lane.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Gracie]

And now they're dating, but in college.

[Gia Giudice]

It was like, no. And then they got. Wait.

[Producer Tamar]

Boys are the only thing that I think get a little sticky in the sorority that can get a little sticky.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. Mine even extended past college. There was a situation in my sorority that our president at the time came to college with her high school boyfriend. He also joined a fraternity. She went on a semester, travel abroad. And while she was gone, he hooked up with somebody from our sorority, but she didn't know. And they got married very young. Oh, no. And she was convinced that she. That they lost their virginity together. And, like, in their marriage, she found out that this is giving. Like, tell me lies. Yeah. Have you guys seen that?

[Gracie]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Found out in their marriage that he had cheated. Lost his virginity to somebody else in the same sorority.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I think the most important part of that, like, the cheating, I mean, that's really messed up, but, like, that's.

[Lauren]

And that.

[Gia Giudice]

So that's extended past college. So it gets. It gets sticky and messy.

[Gracie]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

Wow.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Wow.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay, let's move on to the next one. Are mixers and, like, pre parties as wild as movies and TV make them seem? No, not.

[Gracie]

Not like in the movies where, like, people are jumping off the roof and stuff.

[Gia Giudice]

Like, I mean, no, people at mine, like, jumped off the roof.

[Gracie]

We honestly are crazy things.

[Gia Giudice]

Not so much. The guys would be maybe.

[Gracie]

I feel like the acting is kind of fake where it just seems so out of touch.

[Gia Giudice]

It's also like, I don't know about you guys, but, like, when we would go to, like, fraternity parties and say, it'd be like, okay, Alpha Fee. We have a pre party with Sega. Then we would go, like, with to say, but no one ever had solo cups. Like, everyone would drink out of plastic vodka handles and then have a, like, seven up, like, chaser from, like, Trader Joe's. And it would be vodka the gods. And everyone would just be slugging it.

[Gracie]

Out of the same bottle, passing it around. Haircuts. Do you remember haircuts? They would pour, so you'd, like, stand there like this and they would dump it into your mouth at the same time.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

I will say I went back to SAE as an old person, you know, like during a fraternity party on a football game day.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

And I was actually, like, disturbed. Like, it was so wild. And they were doing all that sharing, and all I could think about was the germ. Yeah. Like, what am I catching? And it was so hot. And there's so many people that I was actually, like, as an older person was like, I actually cannot do this.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

But I think as a 20 year old, I would have been like, this is amazing.

[Gia Giudice]

It's also like, you're away from, like, you don't have any rules. You feel kind of invincible. And you can go out and party whenever you want. And you walk in and it's like, I don't know about you guys, but it was dark. There were lights. There were, like, people were DJing. Like, honestly, how many frat guys are DJs? Because literally every frat guy thinks they're inspired so bad.

[Producer Tamar]

Oh, my God. These are great questions.

[Lauren]

Keep going.

[Producer Tamar]

This is good.

[Gracie]

Oh, they get good.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. Oh, this is okay. Do sorority girls actually have to earn invites to the best parties?

[Gracie]

No.

[Lauren]

No.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Well, I'm the social chair of My sorority.

[Gia Giudice]

Oh, so you got in everywhere.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I'm. I'm making sure that we get the good parties. And it's also kind of, like, as dramatic as it seems like, I want the entirety of my sorority to attend these events so that we can continue having, like, a good relationship.

[Producer Tamar]

What about date parties?

[Gia Giudice]

That's so true.

[Producer Tamar]

What about a date?

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yeah, well, I mean, like, we have our own. Yeah, that's kind of like the, like, frat guys themselves will, like, seek out one person. So it's kind of like, yeah. If us as a sorority, we're gonna maintain these great friendships or more with these guys, then that's how you can kind of, like, get yourself into, like, a date party.

[Producer Tamar]

I'm trying to remember, like, South Seas. Do they still have. So how does that work? Is that.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

That's just a Darty. So we just. I mean, like, social character day party.

[Lauren]

Day party.

[Gracie]

But, like, anyone can show up up. Like, if that's what the question.

[Producer Tamar]

Just get into South Seas?

[Gia Giudice]

No, no, not for us. It's, like, here. For me, it was, like, my sorority, so, like, Alpha Fee. Like, we could get into, like, like, the three, like, frats that, like, we mainly, like, hung out with. We could go in there, but if, like, another girl, like, walked up and they were, like, not in a sorority, or if they were in, like, a different sorority and didn't have, like, a relationship with that frat, they'd be like, show me your group.

[Gracie]

Me.

[Lauren]

That's how you had to prove.

[Producer Tamar]

I need to hear what you just said. Show me or show me your group.

[Gia Giudice]

Me. So it's like, do you know what group means? So it's like an app where, like, you can add everyone. So, like, if we were all in the same sorority, I would add all of you guys, and then we would do, like, Alpha fee, like, times like, sae, and then we'd all be in the same one. So then if I showed up and I was like, okay, I'm Daisy. I'm an Alpha fee, they would scroll on it to make sure that it's, like, real and not a screenshot and make sure that it's you. And then, like, if Gracie showed up with me and she wasn't an Alpha fee, like, say she was, like, not in a sorority. They'd be like, no, like, she can't come.

[Gracie]

What if I was visiting you?

[Gia Giudice]

If you were visiting me, then it's, like, different than I, like, put in that I have a friend visiting me. Or honestly, I mean, it's gonna sound horrible, but, like, it Was. And the guys are like, oh, like, you're hot. Like, they'll let you in.

[Producer Tamar]

So how did I get into South Seas? Because I was a cap. Wasn't there a guest list? Feel like my name was on a list or something.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I guess what we do is we have, like, physical wristbands and. Or an app sometimes. But that's just maybe because, like, now there's a lot more people that will try and go to the fraternities. And it's not like a if you're hot or not thing. It's like a safety thing of, like, there could be people around Berkeley that are just, like, lurking, trying to get into practice that, like, don't go there, and that's, like, a safety concern. So now we have, like, wristbands, and we have an app, too, where we can, like, ADD people if they're visiting.

[Gracie]

Ours was literally, you walk up, you show your student id, and you walk in.

[Producer Tamar]

Oh, wow.

[Gracie]

Like, there. And your student ID didn't say your sorority on it, right? They did not. There was no. None of that.

[Gia Giudice]

So, like, everybody. But that's for.

[Gracie]

That's for, like.

[Producer Tamar]

Okay.

[Gracie]

Sigma Nu had. What was their. They had, like, this one yearly big party. Like, there was no. No rules for, like, anyone could come.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Gracie]

It was the fraternity. Even guys from other fraternities would sometimes come. If they had, like, a friend that was in Sigma Nu, they'd be like, all right, I'm gonna go.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

Wow.

[Gracie]

But, like, date parties, where it's just Katie and just Sigma Nu, or just Katie, just Sigma Chi, then you have to prove it. But, like, that's crazy.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

It'd be, like, for us, just regular parties. Anyone could walk in. They didn't check a student id they didn't check a group meet, nothing. Like, if you were a girl, you could just walk in. But then, like, you were saying, with formals or date parties, then there's a list or there's a wristband that you need to have. But any old fraternity party, especially a tailgate or something, anyone can get in.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. No. San Diego say, you got to show me. I don't know what it's like now.

[Gracie]

But the big city thing, like, I mean, I was in Oxford, Mississippi. Like, there's nothing there besides the college, so I could kind of see that not being a safety concern, but if you're in, like, a bigger city, you need to, like, control.

[Gia Giudice]

But, like, San Diego State is kind of like, it's, like, not close. Like, if you think of, like, downtown San Diego and stuff, like, that it's like. Like it's like in its own little kind of world, you know what I mean? And the only one that, like, the only people that try to go to the parties are like, college students.

[Producer Tamar]

For any old people listening that still don't know what a group me is, I'm totally with you. They've explained it and I still am.

[Gia Giudice]

Like, it's just like.

[Producer Tamar]

It's just a group me.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yes.

[Lauren]

It's like text messages. It's like group chats.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, it's like a bunch of group chats. Like an easy way to start, like a text thread without giving your number, kind of.

[Gracie]

You can only take an account.

[Producer Tamar]

It's fine.

[Gia Giudice]

I'm with you. I'm with you.

[Producer Tamar]

I don't think anyone over 40 is understanding that, but that's fine.

[Gia Giudice]

I'm over 30. Not getting it. So, Next question. Are there ceremonies for things like engagements etc? Is the candle pass tradition real or just a rumor?

[Lauren]

It is.

[Gracie]

It's real.

[Lauren]

Every single week by chapter. Which would go like 30 or 40 minutes longer than it should have. Because we had a candle pass. Because there were a lot of ring before spring girls in the sorority.

[Gia Giudice]

Wait, what is the spring?

[Lauren]

Like, you get engaged before you.

[Producer Tamar]

We call it a pinning.

[Gia Giudice]

Oh, no, this is.

[Lauren]

No, this is like they're actually engaged.

[Gracie]

So they get engaged. Yeah, it's a Southern together. So it's like they get engaged but they keep it a secret. And then they have a candle and they put the ring on the candle and they pass it around and you sing and then you sing a song. And then at the very end, the candle ends up with the bride and it's like, oh, my gosh.

[Lauren]

And then they tell their entire love story for, like, way too long.

[Producer Tamar]

Oh, my gosh.

[Gracie]

We only had like three a year, so that is crazy.

[Lauren]

We had one like everywhere.

[Producer Tamar]

I think we only had one pinning in four years.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

I don't do that.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Oh, I don't.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Wait, what is a pinning? Like you're like, oh, we're dating.

[Producer Tamar]

Or is this a. Pinning is like you're. It's the step before getting engaged. So it's the same candle. And the candle's going around and you don't know who it is, and then it stops. I don't remember how. There was some sort of singing. And then that person who's maybe the friend blows out the candle so the person knows they're getting pinned. And then all the boys come in in suits and then. But it's just a pinning. I think they give Their. It's very old timey. They give their fraternity pin to the girl.

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[Producer Tamar]

And then it's like engaged to be engaged.

[Gracie]

So do they incent. So they're kind of hinting like you're getting engaged soon.

[Producer Tamar]

It's like a promise.

[Lauren]

Oh, it's like a promise ring.

[Gia Giudice]

Honestly, I'm thinking of like frat boys. Like all of my like frat guy friends who I'm still friends with. Love them all to death. But like, they were total frat boys in college. Like, I like, you cannot marry any of them. Maybe it's like they would never do that.

[Gracie]

Like they would.

[Gia Giudice]

Well, they just like, there's no way they possibly could.

[Producer Tamar]

They're. They're.

[Gia Giudice]

They were just like animals. I'm sorry.

[Gracie]

It's true.

[Gia Giudice]

There's a school in Minnesota. It's a private school. And if you get engaged before you graduate, you get school free.

[Producer Tamar]

No.

[Lauren]

What.

[Producer Tamar]

Feels made up.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, it's called Bethel. I'm pretty sure.

[Producer Tamar]

I'm like, I should Google it at the end. Google it. It give us another question while you.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, okay, let's do. Do you think Bama rushed Tik Tok mates are already seem more extreme than they really are?

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yeah.

[Gracie]

Not for Ole Miss.

[Gia Giudice]

Not for Ole Miss. Well, that makes sense because they're both in the South. I think like the Tick Tock. I think like social media has opened up like a whole another aspect to it where other people can like watch it too. But even my friends, I remember in our group chat we like sent like our sorority and alpha fee at San Diego State. Like, they do all those dances before and they like sent it. And I was like, all my friends were dancers. And I was like, you guys, I'd be that girl with just her arm showing in the back holding the sign. My friends were like, oh, we'd be in the front dancing, like eating that shit up. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I don't know.

[Producer Tamar]

It's definitely changed.

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

Yeah.

[Producer Tamar]

Over the years. And we need to get like a grandma in here. Dues from, you know, when they were in school in the 60s or 70s. Because that'll be interesting too.

[Lauren]

Imagine showing them one of those tiktoks. They'd be like, what the hell is this?

[Anonymous Sorority Member]

My grandma was competition. Yeah. My girl was in the story in the 60s and she said to me recently, being like, so what is work week and why do I keep seeing you on the Instagram? What's happening? And I'm like, I don't even know.

[Producer Tamar]

Yeah, we need to do a Grandma episode.

[Gia Giudice]

We'll do that sometime soon as if you want to be on the podcast.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay, next question. Do sororities secretly keep. Keep hot lists during rush? Like, meaning, like, do they keep, like, tabs of, like, girls that they, like, want in the sorority?

[Producer Tamar]

Of course.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I feel like that's no secret. Yeah.

[Gracie]

I think social media plays a part in it. Like we were saying for sure. Where they see online a girl that has, like, the it in her bio that she's gonna go to the school, and I feel like they kind of, like, keep tabs.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. Like someone joins the Facebook pages and is like, scouting.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Do alumni ever pull strings to control who gets a bid?

[Producer Tamar]

Totally.

[Gracie]

100%.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yes.

[Producer Tamar]

100%. They try. Yeah, definitely.

[Gracie]

I know other sororities, it was like. It was kind of crazy. I don't know if it was like this for y'.

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[Gracie]

Was rush week, like, super drama for y'?

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[Anonymous Sorority Member]

It was a little just so tiring.

[Gracie]

So for us, like, every day there was like a rumor there was something about this house was doing this, this house was doing that. And I remember alumni being a huge part of one of the rumors, actually, like every year that this house's alumni was keeping this girl whose grades were below the requirements, and they or they have these, like, crazy past things that they've done that they, like, shouldn't be put in. Yeah, it was crazy.

[Gia Giudice]

Guys, we have so many more juicy questions that people asked. And so come back for the next episode because we are going to do a part two. We didn't even get halfway through the questions, so come back for that. And thanks for being here. Love you guys.

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