Dirty Rush: What the Heck is a Pinning?

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod – "Dirty Rush: What the Heck is a Pinning?"

Release Date: November 8, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Episode Focus: A deep dive into the tradition of sorority “pinning” ceremonies—what they are, how they differ across schools and decades, and the increasingly wild, messy, or even controversial ways the event unfolds.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Teddi and Tamra revisit the tradition of sorority pinning—a ritual marking a serious romantic commitment between a fraternity man and a sorority woman. Through a series of playful, candid interviews with a range of guests (sorority sisters, fraternity members, and couples who've experienced pinning), the hosts explore how this “pre-engagement” event has changed over time, shifting in some schools from a formal and romantic milestone to something more akin to a roast—or even a drunken spectacle.

Theme: Unpacking what a "pinning" really is, personal stories, generational changes, and the sometimes chaotic ways tradition is maintained or transformed.

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Key Discussion Points

1. What is a Pinning Ceremony? (02:12–03:05)

• Teddi confesses she only vaguely remembers pinning from her college days, characterizing it as “when a guy in a fraternity wants to be with you forever,” typically preceding engagement.
• Some schools treat it like a symbolic proposal: sometimes, women wear white, surrounded by friends and family; elsewhere, it’s more about peer spectacle.

Notable Quote:
“It’s like before an engagement comes. So you get pinned and then you get engaged. I guess I’m not really sure how it all works out, but that’s my understanding.” – Teddi (03:00)

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2. Guest Perspectives: Jennifer’s Experience (04:45–11:24)

Ceremony Structure

• Jennifer shares her experience as an underclassman required to witness a pinning. The event involved the whole fraternity presenting the woman with roses while singing.
• She notes the oddness: “It was like a giant gaggle of girls just standing there watching men bring up single flowers and singing.” (05:54)

Social Dynamics and Meanings

• Teddi and Jennifer discuss the strangeness of including all sorority sisters, even those barely acquainted with the “pinned” girl. Both reflect on the artificial intimacy fostered by sorority culture.
• Jennifer wonders if the tradition is “like a promise ring, but a promise pin,” expressing skepticism about the whole process.

Surprises and Family Traditions

• Jennifer’s younger sister was also pinned, later marrying the man in question—but with a five-year gap before actual engagement, further blurring pinning’s meaning.
• Pinning in Jennifer’s experience was a surprise for the recipient: “They’re told they have to be at the house for a special event, and wear black… they don’t know what’s coming.” (09:56)
• Both find the heteronormative, formal aspects odd and sometimes outdated.

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3. The Roast Version: Jeanette & Molly’s Story (16:18–25:00)

From Romance to Roasts

• Jeanette and Molly describe their school’s unique twist: pinning ceremonies that devolved into group roast battles between friends.
• The event frequently turned cruel, with friends airing grievances or mocking classmates on stage.

Notable Moment:
“Hey, sister, I love you so much, but you have no personality and you’re super annoying.” (18:43)

The Dark Side of Roasts

• Roasting sometimes became emotionally scarring or humiliating—Molly admits to being roasted for “hooking up with this guy’s little… that was pretty humiliating.” (20:14)
• The hosts and guests question whose idea it even is to have such a mean-spirited event: “Honestly, this just sounds kind of evil. Who came up with this?” (21:32)
• Not all roasts were equal; sometimes, participants rebelled—Jeanette ultimately skipped the roast for her own pinning, purposefully turning it into a fun, hula-themed party instead.

Impact on Relationships

• Some roast moments led to long-lasting drama or damaged friendships, especially when sensitive topics (like weight) were mocked.

Notable Quote:
“He, like, went after her weight. And so after that, everyone was like, screw this guy. Like, that was just—yeah, that's horrible.” – Molly (24:13)

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4. A Fraternity Guy’s View: Jack (and Jill) (30:34–39:08)

Ceremony “Rules” and Rituals

• At Jack’s school, pinning is likened to a “Greek wedding,” with an elaborate lead-up: bachelor and bachelorette parties, mass intoxication, and no speeches.
• The actual ceremony? “Everyone in the fraternity and sorority starts counting up to 100, and for those hundred seconds, whoever’s getting pinned is just making out in the middle of everyone.” (33:31)

Notable Quote:
“It taps into some more raunchy parts of your relationship rather than the romantic ones…” – Jack (31:51)

The Surprise Element

• The woman is supposed to be surprised, tricked into coming to the event.
• Jack shares that he still added a romantic touch: “I wrote her a letter,” read by a close friend at the ceremony. (34:02)

Jill’s Perspective

• Jill describes learning of the pinning in a whirlwind: returning home to decorations, joining friends for fro-yo, a party bus, and ultimately the main event.
• She finds it wild but joyful (“By senior year, it’s normal.”), and notes that her grandparents also participated in this tradition, though it was “very wholesome” back in the day.
• The ceremony concluded with her “on Jack’s shoulders, signing a beam, making out for 100 seconds... definitely a party!” (38:38)

Legacy and Evolution

• Both Jack and Jill frame pinning as a unique, enduring tradition, though now “a lot different” (and wilder) than their grandparents’ day.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Inclusion:
  “I don’t have 180 close friends... I would not want 180 girls that I barely knew at my wedding.”—Jennifer (08:04–08:50)

• On the Rougher Side:
  “Honestly, this just sounds kind of evil. Who came up with this?” —Host reacting to the pinning roast tradition (21:32)

• On The Modern Ceremony:
  “Whoever’s getting pinned is just making out in the middle of everyone... for a hundred seconds.”—Jack (33:36)

• On Generational Change:
  “My grandparents were actually pinned, but back in the day, they pass their letters… very wholesome. Nowadays it's a lot different… I was on Jack’s shoulders, we sign a beam, we kiss for 100 seconds. It’s a lot different.” – Jill (38:16–38:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Defining Pinning: 02:12–03:05
• Jennifer’s Traditional Pinning: 04:45–11:24
• Jeanette & Molly Roasting Story: 16:18–25:00
• Fraternity Perspective (Jack): 30:34–36:16
• Jill’s Experience and Generational Comparison: 36:17–39:08

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Summary of Takeaways

• Pinning can mean different things: From “promise ring” style ceremonies to wild, drunken parties or even mean-spirited roast sessions—custom varies widely by school and era.
• Shifts in culture: What began as a romantic, pre-engagement gesture at many schools has, in some places, become a performative or comedic event, highlighting both group solidarity and peer pressure.
• Not always comfortable: Some guests enjoyed the camaraderie and legacy; others recoiled at poisoned friendships, awkwardness, or public humiliation.
• Pinning reflects generational change: The ceremony evolves with each cohort—sometimes sweeter, sometimes spicier, sometimes just plain strange.

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Overall, the episode is an irreverent, revealing look at how Greek traditions endure, shift, and sometimes spin out of control—served with personal stories, humor, a bit of nostalgia, and real talk about the weirdness (and sometimes warmth) of college ritual.

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This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something. Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing. If anyone has ever said you snored loudly, or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to osa. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at. Don't sleep on osa.com this information is provided by Lily, a medicine company. Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life with your hosts, me, Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent and Jennifer Fessler. Hi guys. We're back with another episode of Dirty Rush, and today I'm going to be talking all about sorority pinning ceremonies. I personally never went through a sorority pinning ceremony, so I do not know 100% what it's all about. But we are going to have a lot of guests today to talk to us about everything that it is and everything that it entails. And I'm sure we'll hear some really good stories as well along with those. So if I were to think of what a pinning was, going back to my sorority days, I know I got pinned, but it was like when I was getting initiated, then I got pinned to be in my sorority. But. But the pinning that we're talking about today is actually, I think this is what it is. So people can correct me if I'm wrong, but when a guy in a fraternity wants to, like, be with you forever. And so then it's like this huge ceremony. I've heard that some schools, like, wear all white and then the girl gets pinned and its parents basically like before an engagement comes. So you get pinned and then you get engaged. I guess I'm not really sure how it all works out, but that's my understanding of it. So we're gonna talk to some people and see what it's all about. I know. So I know a few girls my age who had them at their school. But besides that, I never heard about this or knew it was a thing. So I'm interested to talk to these people and see what they say it's all about. Hi, Jennifer. Hi. Okay, so I'm so excited to have you on this episode. We heard that you have a pinning ceremony that had happened. And you went to one and experienced one. I had. I was in a sorority, but I never actually experienced a pinning. So I think it's when, like, a guy really likes a girl, he pins her, and then they, like, get engaged or something. But can you let us know what your experience was? Yeah. So I didn't know the girl super well. She was an upperclassman at the time. I was an underclassman. Okay. Because I was underclassmen. We were told that we had to go to this, so we didn't have a lot of choice in the matter. I don't even know if these people ended up getting engaged, but it's pretty strange. It's like the entire frat house came out. Oh. All presented her with a single rose. Oh. Like, all of them handed her a rose while singing. And then eventually, she had a giant bouquet of roses, and he pinned her with his fraternity pin. And we were all outside. I don't know why I had to be there. We were just kind of, like, supporting her, and, like, we had to all be involved. Yeah. Just so she wasn't, like, alone standing there. Yeah. It was like a giant gaggle of girls just standing there watching men bring up single flowers and singing. Do you know, like, how long they had been dating before? I think, like, a year. You know, nothing. Okay. You're college sweethearts. I do not remember the exact song that they sang. I think it may have been, like, top gun. You've lost that love and feeling, which wouldn't make any sense in context. Right. So were there a lot of girls in your sorority throughout college that got pinned? I mean, I believe there was, like, at least one a year that got pinned. And so if you get pinned, it's like, that's basically like they're proposing kind of. I think. I don't know. It's so heteronormative and strange. It's like a light proposal. I don't know what it is. That's so funny. Do you know if they, like. Did she wear the pin around, you know? No, I don't think so. She only wore it when she was pinned. And then I do remember that we all had to be in black. That was very. You all had to be in black? Yes. Okay. Was she in white or in black? No, she was in black as well. It sounds like a funeral. I'm not sure if it was a promise ring, but a promise pin, Like, I don't know. You know, I wasn't. I didn't go to college to get married, so I'M not sure. Like, I love that. Yeah. If this was like a promise. I feel like most people don't. I feel like a lot of people now, like, they, like, find their person in college, but. But yeah, I'm also like, isn't everyone's, like, away from home and, like, figuring things out so interesting? Also, like, it's funny because, like, you didn't even, like, really know the girl. You said. And I'm like, I don't think I'd want people there who I didn't know that well. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what your experience in a sorority was like. I have no regrets in being involved. I just found that when you're spreading supposed to treat all 180 girls that were in it as one big friend group, it was kind of strange because. Yeah, I don't have 180 close friends. Yeah, no, that's so true. It's like, when you're in it, I feel like it's like this, like, sisterhood thing. But then, like, when I think about it right now, I'm like, I would not want 180 girls that I barely knew at my wedding. Yeah. I mean, I have like 10 really good girlfriends that I made from it. And then I have like, you know, a satellite group of a few others that I still am friendly with, but I'm not. I'm not best friends with 180 girls currently. Yeah, that's kind of how mine is too. I had. I don't regret doing it at all either. I had such a great experience and it was so fun. But, yeah, it is funny, those, like, little things like that. Wow. I really wonder if that couple's together still. I don't care. Personally, I. Sorry, that sounds bitchy. No, not at all. I mean, I. I think I was just told that I had to be there because I was an underclassman and they needed bodies. Yeah. Throughout the situation, which, like, I don't really know why they needed a giant gaggle of girls standing on steps watching a girl get roses. Yeah, that is so true. It is funny, all those little things. And also, like, I wonder, like, is it planned ahead of time? Do you know? Like, how ahead of time do people know that, like, she's gonna get pinned? So I think. Okay, I might be like, misremembering this, but I'm pretty sure that the pin e is in the dark. They don't know what's coming. They're told that they have to be at the house for a special event and wear Black. Oh, wow. For the sorority that I was in. So I think it was a surprise. But then from what I heard, she kind of knew it was coming. And obviously when a giant group of men start singing at you and giving you flowers, you know something's going to happen to you. Oh, for sure. I mean, hopefully it's just getting pinned, but like, I kind of love the like, thrill of that, like, not knowing if it's you. Yeah. This was in the odds. Late aughts, like mid aughts, so not recently. But my, My younger sister did get pinned and she's 10 years younger than me, so. Oh, no way. Yeah. Is she still with the guy? They got married. Yeah, they are married. They got married last year. Oh, my goodness. That's amazing. Yeah. No, but like, it's funny because I, I don't really think that that was her style. I think they were just, you know, at the. Yeah, but they're, they're a really cute couple. I wasn't there for that because I obviously wasn't in school at that time. Yeah. So did she like get pinned and then get engaged? No, no, she got pinned, was with him for like an additional five years, then got engaged. Okay. So it was like two separate. It wasn't really a formal pre engagement type of situation with her at all. Yeah, I feel like back in the day it probably was a pre engagement, but I don't know, you know? Yeah, I'm sure, like depending on the school and like the situation too, it's probably different. Yeah. Well, this is Southern California, like usc, so. Okay. I feel like. And I, I don't. Were you in like a Southern sorority or were you in what, what area? I went to San Diego State. Okay. God, it's Southern California as well. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Southern ones probably do it a little different or, you know, everyone's got their own flavor. Oh, for sure. Well, thank you so much for coming on. It was great to talk to you, Jennifer. Before all of the algorithm fed bala and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. 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Okay, everyone, we have Jeanette and Molly. Hi, you guys. Hello. So I'm curious to hear your experience about the whole, like, pinning situation. For me, my understanding was it a pinning for a sorority is when a fraternity guy really likes her, basically wants to get engaged to her, and they get pinned. But tell me from your guys's experience what it is. I mean, that's, like, what it. That's what it is. But it's like, at our school, it was just, like, a huge roast, pretty much, and it was. Oh, no way. It was, like, one big roast, and then. Yeah, like, usually it was a couple. So whoever's, like, been dating for a while, it's, like, a big deal at the end. Like, you're gonna have a pinning. And it's. Originally, it was like you're supposed to, like, pin your frat pin on the girl, and it's, like, this whole big thing. And I think that's how it started. And as the years went on and, like, it just became, like, this whole entire huge roast battle between the girls. She has, like, a panel, so it would be like, I don't know, like, five girls. Her roommates, usually, and then have, like, five guys. And then they would kind of go through and roast the girls, would roast the guys, and then they would roast the couple. Okay. Yeah. So would it always be, like, just the girls roasting the guy, or would the guys roast the girls, too? So the guys would. They would first roast the guys, and then they would go down and do all the girls. So you would have, like, some roommates who are, like. They're like, oh, we're, like, super good friends. You're my best friend. But. And then it would be this, like, horrible, like, not funny, rude roast about, like, the girl, like, they're booming. So it would be like, hey, sister, I love you so much. But. And then it would be like, you have no personality, and. And you're super annoying. And that was like, fully. Like, we were in the audience, and we heard that, and we were like, that is just not funny. It's just, like, you have to go home together, and you're still roommates. Do you have, like, any particular ones that were, like, crazy that you remember? So there was one that we saw, and it was a girl talking to her best friend, and she was like, hey, you're like, my best friend, but you don't have any other friends, and I'm your only friend, and you're so annoying. Or like, it was something like that. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That's, like, so sad. And when you were, like, picked, did you guys ever have to do the roast? So the one that we were in, I was the emcee, so I was, like, leading it, and I would be like, next up is this person. And I would just say, like, the lightest, not even rude, like, hey, whatever. Molly was the one who was on the panel. Okay. What was your experience, Molly? So leading up to it, we were. When I, like, had to be on this panel, I was like, 1. This is really scary, and I don't want to do this because you're in front of a whole group of people, and it's like, this is really scary. So Jeanette, my girl, gave me a little anxiety pill because I was super anxious, and I was, like, freaking out. I don't want to do this. I don't want to be roasted. Whatever. Like, I gotta chill. Yeah, I needed to chill. And then I was also sick, so I also, like, had some dayquil, and I had some mucinex, and then I was like, well, to really, like, I don't want to be nervous. I'm gonna take shots, too. So I was so hammered, and I don't remember any of it, but I do remember I was hooking up with this guy, and I also hooked up with his little. And so pretty much the whole roast was like, you hooked up with this guy's little. And, yeah, that was pretty humiliating. I got some. Some guys were like, I got roasted on being, like, loud and annoying, and I'm like, sorry. I'm fine. I don't know. Yeah. Honestly, this just sounds kind of evil. Like, who came up with this? I don't know. I don't know. But they used to be, like, super romantic, and it would be, like. It was, like, so beautiful, and they would have, like, their candles, and it was, like. It was, like, all for the couple, but now it is, like, a total crap shoot. You don't even say anything nice about, like, the couple, they'll say at, like, the last second, they'll be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, saying all this mean stuff. And then they'll be like, but you guys are the best. Also, I feel like college is already, like, a hard, like, enough time. Like, you don't need that on top of it. But whose idea is it to, like, get pinned? Is it the guy or the girl then, like, who's like, I want to be roasted with my friends. For me, all of my friends and my boyfriend's friends wanted to do it. So they were like, okay, have one. I did not want to because I was like, that sounds like my personal hell. And so that was how that started. But we were going to do ours, like, later in the year, and so everyone was having theirs, like, one after the other, and they were just getting, like, worse and worse. Like, they just. It wasn't cutesy, it wasn't lovey. It was just, like, a hard watch. And they were like, two hours. Yeah, that sounds horrible. Yeah. Yeah. It honestly was, like. It was terrible. There was. It was like war. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure people learned, like, a lot of tea, though. Yeah, a lot of tea. Yeah, a lot of tea. I'm sure there was a lot of drama afterwards, too. Oh, yeah. How could there not be? Right? We had. So we would have. When we would have, like, an Ivy man or I was in Alpha fee at San Diego State. And so we would pick, like, the, like, top, like, favorite five guys from, like, each fraternity or whatever, and they would come in and, like, compete for Ivy man. And one of the things was a roast, and they had to, like, sit in front of all of us. And then people could, like, ask them whatever questions they want or, like, interrogate them. And I remember one of them was, like, so bad. I was like, this is horrible. I feel so bad for this guy. I want to leave. And then, like, everyone ended up apologizing to him after. And it was like, this huge ordeal because I was like, this is horrible. It's like, at what cost? Like, best case scenario. What? You're the Ivy man. Like, I know, right? I can't believe. I can't imagine, like, girls going at girls, though. And guys, too. Like, mixing it all together. That would be crazy. Honestly, it was like, everyone would have drinks and, like, everyone was kind of, like, free for all in, like. Yeah, like, no matter what. Like, if you're drunk, you're going to be. Say more. Exactly. So there was like, no boundary in that. Oh, man. I guess people got to get things off their shoulders? No. Really? Is there anyone that you guys were friends with and then, like, heard them say something? I know, Jeanette, you didn't really get roasted, but, Molly, do you remember anyone that you heard, like, say something about you and you were really like, okay, like, I do not want you to be, like, a part of my life anymore. Not me personally, but, like, I've seen it. I think we saw it at one of the pinnings. One of the girls who's on the panel, a guy roasted her. And, like, this is so bad. He, like, went after her weight. And so after that, it was just like, everyone was like, screw this guy. Like, that was just. Yeah, that's horrible. Horrible. And so, yeah, I think. And, like, then he was, like, kind of known as, like, no one with that guy. He's a total loser. Oh, for sure. If you do something like that. It was. Yeah, that was, like, his junior year and, like, his senior year was just, like, he was known for that. Yeah, he probably had the worst year after that. Like, a year long of scaries.

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Oh, my goodness. For sure. Okay, wait. So, Jeanette, you were pinned, right? I was pinned. And are you still with him? I am not still with him. Okay. So, yeah, I was pinned. And just like, we were saying after we saw, like, everyone else's, we were like, this is. Sounds horrible. So the end of the year, when it was, like, our turn last minute, we all were like, f this. We can't do this. So we just had, like, a hula party, and we had, like, the cheerleaders and, like, the guys did, like, a hula dance, and everyone just blacked out, and, like, we played games. So that was, like, my pinning sounds like a great time. So you can kind of decide at your school, you could kind of decide what you wanted your pinning to be if you didn't want to do the roast. Or was that just you just being like, screw this. Like, I'm doing whatever I want that. Yeah, that was kind of me just like, f this. But, yeah, they're supposed to be a roast, and so people were coming, and they were like, wait, what? And I was like, I don't know, but thanks for coming. Well, I'm happy your opinion was more fun than the other ones. It was. That's great. Well, thank you, Molly and Jeanette, for coming on. It was great talking with you girls and very interesting learning this aspect of fitting versus the other ones that I've heard about. So thank you both very, very much. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. You guys have a great rest of your night. You too. Bye bye. Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Twat stirs. You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing, that adrenaline hit is real. I have sold clothes on ebay and know the feeling of finding the perfect item on ebay. My daughter Sophia is the one who inspired me to use ebay. She loves it as well. We are big fans. It's about the thrill of finding pieces that feel like me and I want you to find the pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee eBay things people love did.

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[A]

Hey Jack.

[B]

Hey guys. How's it going?

[A]

So I am so excited for you to be on this one because I have not heard about what a pinning is yet from a guy that was in a fraternity. So I'm excited to hear your take on it. So tell us all what a pinning is and if you ever pinned anyone.

[B]

Of course. So I need to preface this by saying pinning can mean a lot of different things at a lot of different schools. But at my school, a pinning is when a guy and a girl who've been dating for kind of a long time, like at least a year, will have their own wedding, if you will. Maybe Greek wedding would be a better term for it, but the fraternity and the sorority will all get together and celebrate these two people's relationship. But there are some slight differences between this event and an actual wedding.

[A]

Okay, so what. What are. So is it like a serum? Like a ceremony? Like this girl? Yeah. Pin her. Does that mean like. Like she's like your wife? Like you want to be with her for the rest of your life?

[B]

I mean that's definitely plays into it, but I think it taps into some more raunchy parts of your guys relationship rather than the romantic ones. Of course you celebrate like all of the your guys like romantic like affections for each other. But the ceremony. Maybe I can just give a little explanation of what actually happens.

[A]

Yeah, give us a. Give us the whole rundown what happens when you're there?

[B]

Right, so what happens is, like any wedding, it'll start with a bachelor and a bachelorette party. So the guy with all of his guy friends will go out, have a couple drinks, probably end up over serving themselves, and especially make sure that whoever's getting married is blacked out before you even get to the ceremony. And then the same thing happens with the girls. They'll do their bachelorette party. You'll, like, take a party bus with all of your friends, go to a bar, have a couple drinks, make sure that you're loose. Because after your bachelor and bachelorette party, everyone will meet up at the sorority house, okay? And then you're joined by, like, the rest of, like, your entire fraternity and sorority, and you'll gather in the courtyard of sorority, and then there's not really any speeches that go down at the ceremony. Everyone. Everyone in the fraternity of sorority starts counting up to 100. And for those hundred seconds, whoever's getting pinned is just making out in the middle of everyone.

[A]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

Right in front of everyone.

[A]

This is. It's so funny because we've talked to a few different people about what pinnings are, and, like, everyone has a different take on it. So, like, do you. Did you give a speech about her or anything? Or were you. You guys were just making out, and then it was like, then you're pinned.

[B]

That's kind of how it goes at our school, but there's a little. There's a little more romantic side to it. Like, I wrote her a letter. And then the whole idea is that it's supposed to be a surprise for the bride, if you will, so she won't know that her painting's happening until a couple hours before.

[A]

Okay. So, like, the other girls have it, like, set up, like, the party bus and stuff, Kind of.

[B]

Yeah. They plan it all without her knowing. And they'll have an event on their social calendar that might say something, like, really generic. Oh, just like, something totally unexpecting. But everyone knows that. That it's the pending. Except for her. Or at least that's the idea. Of course, you know, sometimes it'll get spoiled, but they trick her into going to a dinner at their sorority because, like, when you're a senior, maybe you don't go to your sorority house as much as you did when you were, like, freshman, sophomore, junior. So that's.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's, like, step one. Step two is, once you get them there, one of their close friends will read them the letter that I wrote or that the Groom, like, wrote to his. To his bride. So in that letter, you know, there's. There's a couple sweet notes, and then there's a couple. There's a couple jokes, maybe some things that the bride would. Would have rather preferred him keep to himself, but that's the whole point of it.

[A]

That's so sweet. And you're still with this girl, right?

[B]

I am. I am. Okay, funny enough, her parents were dating when they were in college. Her dad was in a fraternity, and her mom was in a sorority, and they had pittings at their school. It was a little different celebration than we had. But her dad refused to get pinned to her mom because he didn't want to jinx the relationship.

[A]

No way. That's funny. Well, that's funny that they, like. It was, like, a thing there, too. But I think we have your girl in the waiting room, too, so I think we'll bring her in also.

[B]

Oh, please do.

[A]

Then we can get her side. Well, hey, team. Okay, so now we have Jill in here with us. So, Jill, Jack was just telling me all about the pinnings on, like, his side and how they all looked like. So I'm curious, did you know when you were going to get that it happened or that it was happening or. No. So I. I heard some rumors, but essentially, kind of. It's supposed to be entirely a surprise, but a lot of people wound up surprising me right after I got back from a little movie night at. Jax came in, and the entire apartment was decorated with, like, a bunch of different hearts, and everybody else celebrated. And then we went to. To our favorite frozen yogurt spot in Los Angeles. So Jack and all the girls for a little bachelorette party. And then I got some good sleep, and it was the next day. But it was totally a surprise, and it was lots of fun. I love that. So were you, like. We heard about the, like, making out in front of the whole sorority fraternity. I wish I could tell you all the details, but to be quite frank, if anybody has to do that, you're not supposed to remember parts of it. So you were pretty tuned up. Yeah, but no, it was awesome. We were all in a circle, and thankfully, there was another couple that could steal the show with us. So they were in the circle, and we all counted to 100. And I have video proof if you'd like to see. Did. Yes. Send in the video. Did a lot of. Did a lot of your friends get pinned? I'd say so. It was. It's a very fun tradition. Like, freshman year. I remember our first pinning. And yeah, it's just this crazy event. And by senior year, it's normal. And some of your other friends are getting pinned too. Funny enough, this tradition has actually been a thing for a long time. My grandparents were actually pinned, but back in the day they pass their letters to the girl, so like they get a little pin of letters. But by senior year, a lot of our friends did get pinned, so it's super fun. So did you like, did you call your grandparents and were you like, I got pinned. They. I essentially, I think it was very different. Truly, theirs is a super cute little pin passing. Yeah, they dance around. It was very wholesome. However, nowadays it's a lot different. You know, I was on Jack's shoulders. We sign a beam, we kiss for 100 seconds. It's a lot different. But it's definitely, definitely a party. Well, it sounds like a great time, honestly. Maybe I think they should do pinnings everywhere if they're that fun. And how long have you guys been together?

[B]

Just under a year and a half.

[A]

Aw, I love that. Well, congrats to you guys. I hope your pinning lasts forever. This is a great spot to pause. We had so many callers that called in and I definitely want to get to more. So we'll be back with more on Dirty Rush.

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