Does Joining a Sorority or Fraternity Get You on TV and Make You Famous???

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Does Joining a Sorority or Fraternity Get You on TV and Make You Famous???"

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode Date: December 8, 2025
Host: Jennifer Fessler (guest-hosting for this ep), with appearances by Gia Giudice, Charity Lawson, Mercedes & Jonathan (The Bachelor), and Bob Guiney (The Bachelor)

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Overview

This lively episode explores whether being in a sorority or fraternity sets you on a path to TV stardom, while serving as a sprawling oral history of "pre-gaming" in Greek life. Former Bachelor stars, including Bob Guiney, Charity Lawson, Mercedes, and Jonathan, along with host Jennifer Fessler, share candid and often hilarious recollections about Greek life, party rituals, and the art of "pre-partying." It’s equal parts nostalgia, insider advice, and gleeful storytelling—peppered with age-gap jokes and generational surprises.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Evolving Language: "Pre-Gaming" vs "Pre-Party"

• Bob Guiney, a Michigan State alum and ATO fraternity member, notes his generation called it "pre-partying," not "pre-gaming."
  • "I'm assuming that means pre-partied... before you went to a function, or before you went to a game, or even before class. We'd saddle up, have some cocktails, turn on some music, get in the zone." (04:17)
• Today, "pre-gaming" is a required ritual before college events, according to Mercedes (Iowa State/Delta Zeta), Jonathan (Chapman/FiJi), and Charity Lawson (Auburn/Sigma Kappa).

2. How and Why Students Pre-Game

• Purpose: Take the edge off, socialize before the chaos, boost confidence before parties or bar-hopping.
  • "You always pregame the pregame too, because pregames where you go and you actually get to talk and mingle. So you want to have the edge off." – Jonathan (14:37)
• Modern Rituals: Women gather with girlfriends beforehand, men start with “shower drinks.”
  • "The girls would get together before the actual pre game...then go with the big group of guys and girls, mix, talk, whatever, and then go to the party." – Mercedes (15:16)
• Signature Moves: No one actually paces themselves well at first, but you learn (or suffer hangovers).

3. Music & Setting the Mood

• Bob Guiney favors classic playlists with Journey and Echo & the Bunnymen—he still makes specific playlists for golf or boating.
  • “I literally make a playlist for everything. Like when I go golfing, I’ll have a golf playlist...” (07:07)
• Recent grads and students lean toward rap, Billy Joel singalongs, or country.
  • “Probably always rap, honestly. In college for sure. Or friends into the oldies…they’ll play like Billy Joel and everyone’s singing along. That’s also kind of a vibe.” – Jonathan (16:36)
  • “Yeah, I love country music.” – Gia Giudice (17:05)
• For Charity at Auburn, the whole era was “Travis Scott, EDM, House...you just want something that’s obviously gonna keep you up.” (27:01)

4. Legendary Drinks (and Mistakes)

• Espresso Martini: The drink of choice for “grown-up” pre-gaming; tequila-spiked espresso martinis are “game changers.”
  • “Now that I’m older, espresso martini for sure.” – Jonathan (16:04)
  • "Except I drink mine with tequila." – Gia Giudice (16:10)
• Vodka Shots & DIY Cocktails:
  • “We would take water bottles, like plastic water bottles and fill it up with vodka and we would take that into the party and just...take pulls out of it.” – Gia Giudice (17:47)
  • "I was a big vodka girl. Shots." – Charity Lawson (29:14)
• Learning Limits: Charity recounts a disastrous night: “12 shots before my semi formal—I crashed very early...did the solid rusty hook.” (30:12 – 31:06)

5. Safety and Pacing Tips

• Charity emphasizes drink safety and learning to pace yourself is essential:
  • "I was very...particular about not letting other people fix my drinks...just safety measures...you have to keep tabs of how much alcohol you might be pertaining to." (24:55)
  • “Usually, 30 minutes in you should be on your second drink. Then there’s shots. You gotta keep tabs of how many shots you’ve taken.” (25:17)
• Everything is a system: “It really is a system. I’m telling you. But, like, you have the nights where you get too carried away—you learn. At least I learned my lesson the next morning.” (25:52)

6. The Emotional Arc of Pre-Gaming

• Rare for pre-games to get truly deep—mostly fun and anticipation. But as Bob notes, post-parties are when things might get emotional, especially as you get older and nostalgia creeps in.
  • “A pre party would turn into that, but you know, later in life it’s a post party might turn right there.” – Bob Guiney (09:21)
• The hosts and guests regularly joke about how, at their age, pre-gaming is the main event and bedtime comes early.

7. College Culture: Nightlife, Rules, and Social Scenes

• Weeknight Parties: Wine Wednesdays, Thursday bar nights, Friday/Saturday house parties, Sunday day drinks (17:16)
• Shot Rules Are Out: Modern students ignore “liquor before beer” adages—mixing is rampant. (18:35)
• Kickbacks & House Parties: At schools with limited bars, students would get creative with “kickbacks”—chill gatherings meant to “see where the night takes us.” (28:56)

8. Accidents, Hookups, and Embarrassing Moments

• Everyone seems to have an “I didn’t even make it to the party” story, especially after overdoing pre-gaming.
  • “You get yourself going a little too much at the pre party and by the time the actual party begins, you’re so, you pre-partied your way into full on post party.” – Bob Guiney (05:38)
• Host prods about hookups, but mostly the vibe is friendly nostalgia, not scandal.

9. Sorority/Fraternity Life & Pathways to Fame

• Greek life is memorable for the parties, but also for forging bonds and, evidently, producing participants for reality TV.
• The episode playfully leaves the central question—does Greek life make you famous?—unanswered, but the sheer number of Bachelor alumni on the pod speaks for itself.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bob Guiney on aging out of partying:

  "Now at my age, the game becomes the pregame becomes the game." (08:14)

• Bob Guiney on pre-parties and emotion:

  “Post party might turn right there...my father just passed away...my buddies brought him up last night because everyone just loved my dad so much.” (09:21)

• Charity’s pregame pacing guide:

  "Usually, 30 minutes in, you should be on your second drink. Then, obviously, there’s always shots...that’s when it gets tricky...keep tabs of how many shots you’re taking." (25:17)

• Charity’s cautionary tale:

  "12 shots before my semi-formal...I crashed very early...did the solid rusty hook." (30:12 – 31:06)

• Mercedes on college confidence:

  "You don’t have the confidence you do as an adult. Back in college you’re like, alright, we’re gonna talk to girls, take a couple drinks. You still don’t talk to girls, but at least you have the drinks in your system." – Jonathan (15:49)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:41] – Bob Guiney joins to reminisce about Michigan State Greek life
• [04:17] – Old-school "pre-partying" explained; differences in terminology
• [07:00] – The importance of playlists to set the mood
• [09:21] – Emotional turn: post-parties, nostalgia, and losing loved ones
• [13:24] – Mercedes and Jonathan (Bachelor) discuss sorority/fraternity modern pre-gaming rituals
• [14:37] – The logic behind pre-gaming (taking the edge off, socializing)
• [16:04] – The rise of the espresso martini as the go-to drink
• [17:47] – Water bottles of vodka, “taking pulls”—college drinking hacks
• [18:13] – Hangover immunity: “I still have yet to have a hangover ever.” – Jonathan
• [23:21] – Charity Lawson shares systematic tips for “pacing” and party safety
• [27:01] – The pregame soundtrack: Travis Scott, EDM, and the motivational beat
• [29:14] – Charity’s disaster night (12 vodka shots and the “rusty hook”)
• [32:08] – How pre-gaming changes in post-college life; weddings and reunions

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Tone and Highlights

The tone is light, self-deprecating, and full of generational ribbing. The hosts and guests swap funny, sometimes cringeworthy college stories and party lessons with the affectionate hindsight of people who (mostly) made it out alive. There’s lots of laughter about aging, misadventures, and pre-gaming being the real “main event” as you get older.

Summary:
This episode offers a candid, immersive view into the culture of pre-gaming in sorority/fraternity life across generations—full of confessions, teachable moments, and Bachelor Nation inside jokes. While it never delivers a simple answer about whether Greek life makes you famous, it shows how these rituals create community and, sometimes, reality TV storylines.

Transcript

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[Gia Giudice]

Dirty Rush, the truth about Sorority Life with your hosts, me, Gia Giudice, Daisy.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. All right, you guys. So we have the Bachelor himself, Bob Ginny. I will say this before we start. I have never had more people. Say say hello to your guest for me from me. Yes. You are well loved, my friend.

[Bob Guiney]

That's very sweet. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate hearing that.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Of course. So, first of all, Bob, you went to Michigan State.

[Bob Guiney]

Yes.

[Jennifer Fessler]

And what fraternity were you in?

[Bob Guiney]

I was an ATO at Michigan State. Epsilon. Ate a chapter.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Okay.

[Bob Guiney]

Back in the day.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Back in the day. Well, back in the day, I don't know if you called it pre gaming, which is what we're gonna talk about, because I certainly didn't. And now all my kids talk about is you didn't either. You're younger than me. But it actually gets on my nerves a little now. But we're still gonna talk about it that whole term. All right, so tell me a little bit about how you all, quote, unquote, pre gamed back at Michigan State.

[Bob Guiney]

I'm assuming that means pre partied.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yes. Right.

[Bob Guiney]

And so, you know, that's what I call. That's what we probably called. It was pre partying. So, yeah, I mean, you know, it would basically be like before you went to a function or before you went to a game or before you went to. I mean, when I was living in the frat house, it was probably before I went to class. You know, we would just, like, saddle up and have a couple cocktails, turn on some music, get kind of in the zone, I guess. You know, you'd be basically kind of picking up on, you know, getting yourself in the mood to party a little bit.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Bob Guiney]

And so, yeah, I just did it yesterday. I went to the Detroit Lions game. I invited all my friends to a restaurant that was right nearby, and I had some clients with me and some friends, and I'm like, hey, we're pre partying over here, so come join us.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You know. Pre partying? Yeah. I have a hard time saying pre gaming, too. I don't know.

[Charity Lawson]

Why?

[Jennifer Fessler]

I just feel like it's all the young kids. Well, you're a young kid, but so I am not.

[Bob Guiney]

I am not a young kid at all.

[Jennifer Fessler]

How old are you?

[Bob Guiney]

54.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Get that. Are you kidding me?

[Bob Guiney]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Fessler]

What do you know about pre gaming? You're old like me.

[Bob Guiney]

I pre partied.

[Charity Lawson]

That's what I said.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You pre partied? 54. Damn, boy.

[Bob Guiney]

I think I'm actually older than you. Probably.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I'm 57, so I don't think so.

[Bob Guiney]

Oh, okay. Yeah, you look fantastic.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Well, so do you. All right, back to the subject at hand. Anybody ever get crazy before? Do you remember any times where you were pre gaming, pre partying and nobody made it to the actual party or you didn't?

[Bob Guiney]

Oh, I've been that guy. I mean, I think, I think, you know, you know, you can get, you can get yourself going a little bit too much at the pre party and by the time the actual party begins, you're so, you know, you pre partied your way into full on post party.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah, no, totally. 100%. You didn't make it to the party, right?

[Bob Guiney]

Yeah, yeah, so have I. I probably never missed the party, but I definitely have had some friends who have, you know, where they just get all sloppy and you're like, oh, buddy, you do not want to, you know, put yourself in this situation right now. You're looking out for your friends when you're pulling them out of the party. Right.

[Jennifer Fessler]

But especially when you're at a frat or a sorority, right?

[Bob Guiney]

Yeah, yeah. You don't want to make a fool themselves, especially if there's a girl there that they like or whatever. And the last thing you want to do is make a fool of themselves and, you know, miss the opportunity to make a good impression.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You're good. You're a good man. Tell me, what music were you listening to? But do you remember? Because I don't, I don't remember.

[Bob Guiney]

But you know, my musical tastes haven't really changed all that much from then to now. I mean I was, I'm sure I had journey on. I always have journey going and everything.

[Jennifer Fessler]

After my own heart. Yep, yep.

[Bob Guiney]

I actually I'm. I'm raising my kids to be the same way. I have a six year old and a four year old and they literally were. Yeah. Yesterday. They're like, why is it don't stop believing playing? I'm like, it will.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I love. That is so. Yeah. I mean, because we're almost same age then it's music that could get you like pumped, right? It wasn't Absolutely.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Fessler]

It wasn't the ballads necessarily.

[Bob Guiney]

It was a fun era.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Bob Guiney]

So there was a lot of great stuff back then. I mean, I don't know if you were like echoing the Bunnyman and don't.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Know who that is and all the.

[Bob Guiney]

People, but I got introduced to them in college and they had some great, you know, upbeat stuff. And then I'd mix it in with my classic rock favorites and put together a fun playlist. I literally make a playlist for everything. Like when I go golfing, I. I'll have a golf play. I go boating, I got a boat playlist. Yeah, that's almost more important to me. I am that guy.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Bob Guiney]

It's all about the mood to me and it's more important to me than the, Than the party itself.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Did you ever meet, speaking of the mood, did you ever meet like a special woman, a special girl at a pre party?

[Bob Guiney]

Yeah, I mean, sure, I'm sure I have.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You can't even remember. There were so many. You're like, more interested in your playlist.

[Bob Guiney]

Long time ago.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I get that. Do you miss the chaos and togetherness of a pregame? I could ask you that question. But you already told me you're still pre gaming yesterday to this day.

[Bob Guiney]

Yeah, I just did it yesterday and so I'm not missing it today. In fact, I am the opposite of missing it. I'm regretting it. I get that exhausted. And I wish that I wouldn't have pre gamed. See now at my age, what I.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Forgot is the game.

[Bob Guiney]

The game becomes the pregame becomes the game.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Me too.

[Bob Guiney]

And then I've also like, I gotta have an espresso martini or five in there because I need the energy now. Where back in the day that probably would have put me through the roof, but now I like to have an espresso martini because I feel like I can still have a cocktail, but it gives me a little more energy to do something.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I never drink them and maybe that's the issue because I can't pre game. Better be at 7pm because 9pm I'm headed right into REM. I'm not like, I can't.

[Bob Guiney]

You should try it.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Espresso.

[Bob Guiney]

Really good.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah, I just like, they're like dessert.

[Bob Guiney]

Well, I used to. I think they used to be. Now I feel like they become a little bit more of a priming the pump type of beverage.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right? What did you say?

[Bob Guiney]

Priming the pump.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Priming the pump, baby. You are a frat boy. You are still a frat boy.

[Bob Guiney]

Oh, I'm Sure.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. It's so great. I love it. I love it. So I have a question. I wonder if you can remember any of this. Did your pre games ever turn into full blown emotional therapy sessions? It's an interesting question. I don't remember ever getting deep at a pregame.

[Bob Guiney]

No, I mean, I'm, you know, it.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Was just all about what boy is here?

[Bob Guiney]

We. Yeah, my buddies were more about, let's, let's have some cocktails, let's have fun. Yeah, it really wasn't that. That wasn't the time. Don't get me wrong. Later in life, I wouldn't say a pre. A pre party would turn into that, but you know, later in life it's a post party might turn right there, you know, and for me, you know, my father just passed away not too long ago.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I'm so sorry.

[Bob Guiney]

Literally. Thank you. I mean, it's two years now or three years now, but my, my buddies brought him up last night because everyone just loved my dad so much and, and that, that was. I guess that kind of was a little bit of an emotional moment at a. At a pre party, but it was like a happy emotional moment. It was like, you know, oh, he was the best, wasn't he? Oh, man, we love him. We miss him. Let's get back to our cocktails. You know, so it was. We paid homage and then we got, you know, we got right back after it.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. I'm getting to the age myself where drinking a lot is always going to turn into weeping. Probably.

[Bob Guiney]

Yeah, you do both.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right? Just getting nostalgic.

[Bob Guiney]

Napping and weeping, napping and weeping.

[Jennifer Fessler]

It's perfect. That should be a book. All right, listen, thank you for coming on. You're a doll.

[Bob Guiney]

Yes, thanks, Jen.

[Jennifer Fessler]

What a charmer. You and I have to pre game sometime soon. I would love it, but no game. That's all I can do is a pregame. No game, then we're going to bed. Exactly.

[Bob Guiney]

Call the game, Rem. I like it.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Thank you. Thank you, my friend.

[Bob Guiney]

Have a great day.

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[Jennifer Fessler]

All right, you guys, guess who we have? We have Mercedes and Jonathan from the Bachelor. Hi you guys.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Hey.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Okay, so you were both in involved in Greek life. So Mercedes, you went to Iowa State.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yep.

[Jennifer Fessler]

And what sorority were you in?

[Gia Giudice]

Delta Zeta.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Delta Zeta. Okay, Jonathan, you went to Chapman and you were in Fiji. Fiji, Yep. And just for our listeners, that's Phi Gamma Delta.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Yes.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right. Yeah. Okay, well, listen, we're talking today about pre gaming and I was talking to Bob guinea and I was saying like back in the day we did not use that term and now I just. If I hear it one more time, it will be one time too many. But we didn't we just went out and before we went to the game, we all just hung out at the Sammy house.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Hey, you wanna have drinks before the drinks?

[Jennifer Fessler]

I guess. But it wasn't like a thing. Like you have to like. I feel like now you have to pregame.

[Gia Giudice]

It's part of the night for sure. It's definitely like. Okay, so where are we pregaming? It's like always like it's part of the night.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

There's also post gaming too.

[Jennifer Fessler]

There is?

[Gia Giudice]

Yes.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Oh yeah. As we go, like the party's loud and obnoxious and then you go post game where it's like chill and you can have like a nightcap.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Ah, see, I would dig that way more than probably the pre gaming or the party. Tell me like what it was like though in your house, Jonathan, before, I mean, while you were in college. Like, what was it?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Well, you always too. And we were talking about this off camera actually is you always pre game the pre game too, because pregames where you go and you like actually get to like talk and like mingle with people. So you want to have, you want to have the edge off a little bit. So usually when I was getting ready, I'd be in the shower, I'd have one of the guys just throw me a drink and I just have a drink in the shower while I'm getting ready for the day.

[Jennifer Fessler]

A little sad, but I mean, I.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Guess it was honestly great vibes in college. Great vibes.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Really?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Oh yeah.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Maybe I'll try them.

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[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

You have like a white claw in the shower.

[Jennifer Fessler]

A white claw in the shower.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

You know, you go take like a bubble bath and you have like a glass of red wine with you.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

But you're getting ready to chill out.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. You got an issue, John. We'll talk about that another time. Just kidding, just kidding. What about you, Mercedes?

[Gia Giudice]

Um, yeah, I feel like at Iowa State it was very much a party scene. So we were always pre gaming and the same thing. Like the girls would get together before the actual pre game. Because when you go to the bars or like the party or whatever, it's loud, it's obnoxious, and everyone's just kind of like dancing, vibing and not really having conversations.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Gia Giudice]

So you would take the edge off at the pre. Pregame with the girls and then go with like the big group of guys and girls, mix, talk, whatever, and then go to the party.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I mean, it definitely makes sense because I know it is like before maybe you hit the party with both sexes, you do want to, like, get your flow on?

[Gia Giudice]

For sure.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

You also don't have the confidence. You do as an adult.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Back in college, you're like, all right, we're going to talk to girls, take a couple of drinks. You still don't talk to girls, but at least you have the drinks in the system.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Do you guys ever either. Either one of you have a signature pre party drink?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Now that I'm older. Espresso martini for sure. To make sure.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Oh, my God. That's just what Bob just said. That.

[Gia Giudice]

Except I drink mine with tequila.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. Espresso martini with tequila.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. Game changer.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Why so good?

[Gia Giudice]

I don't know.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Okay, for all you little ones out there, get your. Get your tequila in your espresso martini. What about music, guys? What. Any favorites, things that you were listening.

[Gia Giudice]

To, like, in college or. No.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Pre gaming. Like, was there just stuff that got you pumped up? Do you remember anything?

[Gia Giudice]

I'm trying to think of, like, it's.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Probably always rap, honestly.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

In college for sure.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Bob Guiney]

Really?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

It was either that or, like, you have friends that are, like, into the oldies and they think it's, like, really sick. And then you kind of get on board with that, too. Like, they'll play like Billy Joel and everybody's singing along. And that's also kind of a vibe.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Too, so that's my vibe, actually. Yes. Do you guys.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

It's like, really, really old.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah, exactly, honey.

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It's the truth.

[Jennifer Fessler]

The truth hurts, but it's the truth. What about country? And this is. Now I'm off the topic of pre gaming, but you guys. Cause I know, like, now I feel like a lot of colleges, the kids are listening to country music.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, I love country music.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

I grew up on country.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow.

[Gia Giudice]

Sykes, Jinx.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Have you guys ever met before?

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yes.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Like twice.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Three times. Yeah, I like it. What were the nights to go out at your.

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, God, like, Wednesday through Saturday.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Yeah, we had wine Wednesdays. We went to the bars on Thursday. Friday, Saturday were house parties. And then Sunday, if you're watching the game, you could have day drinks, but then you kind of just chill out.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Got it, got it. What about shots? Are you guys. Were you fans of Shots or. Because I know for me that never ended well. Yeah, shots. Did you try to pace yourself?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Classy. Like shots. It was like, you take polls.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

You just take the bottle and you just take a pole from.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Everything has to have a new name.

[Gia Giudice]

So what we did, going out, we would take water bottles, like plastic water bottles and fill it up with vodka and we would Take that into the party and just. Yeah, just take pulse out of it.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I mean, crazy sexual. So now you're taking a poll. That's what this world has turned into, Literally.

[Gia Giudice]

And also, if I did that now, I look back on, like, that time in my life. I'm like, how the hell did I survive? Like, I, I, if I did that now, I would be like, not okay. The next day, I would be on my deathbed.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

I, I will say, most subtle flex ever. I still have yet to have a hangover ever.

[Gia Giudice]

Wow, you've never had a hangover and.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You start in the shower.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Maybe that's the key.

[Gia Giudice]

It's the key. The shower is the key.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

I don't know what's wrong. I don't know how that's even possible.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Amazing. That's something to be proud of.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, that is.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Do you guys waste on me that I don't really drink that much?

[Jennifer Fessler]

Oh, you know, no.

[Gia Giudice]

All right.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Fessler]

So you guys starting with the white club. But do you ever, like, you ever hear liquor before?

[Gia Giudice]

Beer liquor before?

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. In the clear. So do you ever follow those rules?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

No.

[Jennifer Fessler]

No.

[Gia Giudice]

I'm like, such a. Like, I feel like I start with, like, espresso martinis now and then, like, I might have, like, a glass of wine, and then we'll go into, like, liquor and then maybe a beer at the end, which is like, damn, she's crazy.

[Jennifer Fessler]

She messes it up. Nice.

[Gia Giudice]

That's like a big night out. Okay. That's like. I'm, like, out from, like, six to.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Do you guys still pregame?

[Gia Giudice]

Yes.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. Like you, you say, okay, before we go to Jingle Ball, we have to pregame, probably.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Fessler]

But for sure.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

Well, it's few and far between, though. I don't, like, I don't go out that much anymore, but if I'm going to actually go out for, like, a night, and I know I'm going to have, like, a good night.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

I'll pregame it.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Because. Is it also just that you want to get, like, the espresso in? Is it kind of like just. Or just.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

I don't know if I'm having, like, a full night. I'll probably just start with, like, some seltzers, and then I'll have an espresso martini or something to get the vibes up and then. All right, I have, like, a tequila soda.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

I feel like my pregame now, like, sometimes the girls will get together, but sometimes we're, like, also so last minute. So maybe it's just like having a Glass of wine while I'm getting ready?

[Jennifer Fessler]

Okay.

[Gia Giudice]

You know, I feel like that's my period.

[Jennifer Fessler]

All right, so you guys meet me at what room? What's your room number? I'll meet you at the Petite before Jingle Ball.

[Gia Giudice]

Well, I'll pregame.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I'm gonna get the espresso. Marti, I'm just in the lobby. Thank you guys for coming on.

[Gia Giudice]

Of course.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Thanks for having us. I'm seeing either one of you hooked up.

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

What do you mean?

[Jennifer Fessler]

Oh, see, I don't even. I can't even talking. No. You have a boyfriend? Girlfriend?

[Jonathan (Bachelor contestant)]

I don't, but she has a date later, so.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, I have a date tonight.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I'm not. I'm not into it.

[Gia Giudice]

Jingle bell.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I like Johnson. No, I don't approve. Excuse me. Thank you for coming in, you guys.

[Gia Giudice]

Of course.

[Jennifer Fessler]

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[Jennifer Fessler]

All right, guys. So now I'm joined by yet another beauty. Hi. Charity Lawson. Hello. Hi. So you went to Auburn. What sorority were you in?

[Charity Lawson]

I was a Sigma Kappa.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Very nice. And did they pre game back at Auburn University when you were a Sigma Kappa?

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, I fear we got down.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You did. I want to hear.

[Charity Lawson]

I want to hear.

[Jennifer Fessler]

What did that look like for you guys back in the day?

[Charity Lawson]

Honestly, I'm like, I'm so grateful because I'm like, I feel like I went to college during, like, the prime years where, like, pre gaming and like, parties before, like, going out to bars were, like, super huge.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Charity Lawson]

And so everything that we did, like, always required, like, a pregame.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah. No, it's funny. Yeah. Because I was talking earlier to, you know, Bob guinea, also from the Bachelor. So he and I. He's a little bit older. Not as old as me, but this is like a new term for us, pre gaming. And now it's like, all I ever hear. Yeah. No one. We sometimes had a few drinks before the party, but now it's official. Like, you have to have a pregame. Right.

[Charity Lawson]

It's always like a little pre party before the function even really begins. And that's why it's very, like the whole word pacing yourself that. That came from pregame.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Really?

[Charity Lawson]

Like, you don't. Yeah. Like, you don't really want to get too crazy until you get to the party. So it's like, it's all like a system.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Wow. So were you good at that pacing yourself?

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, I mean, I learned. Eventually started starting off.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

As a. As a freshman sophomore, you're. You're easing yourself into it. But, yeah, I got. I got the hang of it pretty quick.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Well, tell us, how do you. How do you pace yourself at a pregame?

[Charity Lawson]

I mean, for me, I'm someone who's, like, very small, and so it's like, you really, like, I. I knew the type of drinks that I wanted to have. I was very, like, like, particular about, like, not letting other people, like, obviously fix my drinks as just safety measures. But also it's like you just, you know, you have to, like, keep tabs of, like, okay, how much, you know, alcohol you might be pertaining to.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Be a long night.

[Charity Lawson]

It's a long night. So I would start off always like, you know, you come in with one drink and then usually, like, a couple. I don't say a couple of minutes. Like, usually 30 minutes in. Like, you should be on your second drink. And then obviously, like, there's always shots, so you have to, like. That's when it really gets tricky because I'm like, at that point, it's like, you've got to keep tabs of how many shots you take in charity.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I feel like you should write this down. Like, this should be in a handbook somewhere, because so far we talked to quite a few people. Nobody had these instructions for us. I love it. You save a lot of people a lot of mess.

[Charity Lawson]

No, exactly.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Charity Lawson]

It really is. It really is a system, I'm telling you. But, like, you know, you have the nights where some nights you just, like, you know, you get too carried away, but you learn, I'm telling you. At least I learned my lesson the following morning.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Charity Lawson]

I was like, I don't ever want to do this again.

[Jennifer Fessler]

So, yeah, I heard a lot of. We had a lot of our guests say espresso martinis are the answer honestly for me.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah. Because people say, like, obviously it's like the espresso that keeps you up.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

But I. I like. I do it when I start to get sleepy, which is probably bad, but I'm like, that's like, that's the only time I drink espresso martinis.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

I never. I never start off with them. I only do it when I'm like, oh. Like, I still have maybe like an hour or two left in the night, and I need to, like, I need to perk me up. Right. That's when I do it. But I mean, they're great. It's a great drink all around. But for me, I'm. I'm. I'm a Little bit opposite on that.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah, No, I never did that either. We didn't. We didn't have things like that back in my day. Or like Red Bull and vodka. Do you do that? Is that what you drink it with? You drink it with vodka, Red Bull.

[Charity Lawson]

I hated it. I'll be honest. It's not my. I mean, it's not my. It's not my cup, so.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Well, okay, so tell me if you can. Like when you were pregame and in college, like, any particular kind of music you guys were into?

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, my gosh. It was like. That was like the prime. Like, I feel like. I mean, it's crazy because I'm like a lot of the artists that was like, really popular then, I feel like, has kind of fallen off a little bit. But like Travis Scott, like, that was like such the era that everybody like.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Charity Lawson]

Love Travis Scott. Like every time you go to pregame, like, one of his songs are playing. He was just really huge between. I mean, I was in College from 2015-28, 2019. So like, during that time. Yeah, right. Like, it was just huge. I wasn't really big as big into like EDM or house music then, but, like, it was starting to come up and it was becoming a little bit popular then too.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

So that's kind of when I got like my start of listening to that type of genre of music. But honestly, you just want something that's like, obviously going to keep you up, right?

[Jennifer Fessler]

Correct.

[Charity Lawson]

Like, it was very loud, but like very. Just like, you know, a good beat is all you need.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Do you feel like the pre games were sometimes more fun than the actual game? I don't mean a football game about. But I'm just saying, like, whatever. Party. Yeah.

[Charity Lawson]

Oh, yes. Well, I went to Auburn, so. And like at the time when I was there, we only had like, it's such a big school and a big, like college. College campus. But in terms of like the like nightlife and like social life of it, it's like, yes, there are sororities, there are fraternities, but like going out to bars and stuff, we didn't have many options. We had like maybe a total of like five bars.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right.

[Charity Lawson]

That and right. At some point you like, eventually rotate through all of them. So it's like, yeah, people just got. We had to be creative and like house parties or just like pre games became the thing.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Charity Lawson]

And usually like after a football game or something, depending on the time, we always, like, played football. Our, like slots were like, earlier in the day and that worked out so if you had like a 3:30 game, we would then, like, go back home. And like, most people were like, okay, like, we might go out, but it's like, there was always like, a little flyer going around of, like, oh, we're having, like, a party, a pre game sometimes. Sometimes we called it kickbacks.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Just like, relax and chill beforehand.

[Charity Lawson]

Right, right. It's like a. More like chill term for like, it's still a party, but it's like we're just gonna be vibing it out and see where the night takes us.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right, right. We're trying to get specific with. With our guests today just for fun. But, like, did you have a signature pre gaming drink?

[Charity Lawson]

I was a big at the time, during college, was a big vodka girl. So anything with vodka, usually. Like, I learned early on, too, that I just. I mean, for me, it works quicker just taking shots. So I was less of, like a mixing girl. I was like, just give a shot, let's go. And yeah, so I was a big vodka girl until I had just a. Not a great experience. And then I.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Tell me, tell me about it. What was the not great experience?

[Charity Lawson]

It always happens. I mean, everyone goes through, like, the experimental journey of, like, you know, liquor. In college, for me, it was vodka. And I remember. Oh, my gosh, it was. I think it was one semi formal I had. And I. I don't know what I was on. I was feeling, like, really bold, and I was like, yeah, I can conquer the world. I cry anything. And I had. I mean, if I say the number, everyone's gonna be like, yeah, no, you need to, like, be hospitalized.

[Jennifer Fessler]

They say it, but I have on.

[Charity Lawson]

No, it's crazy.

[Jennifer Fessler]

We all have that number. Shots.

[Charity Lawson]

No, 12 shots before my semi formal. And I was like. I don't even think I, like, kept count, but that's what, like, my friends were saying. I ended up going to the semi formal.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You were still able to make it? Damn, girl.

[Charity Lawson]

No, I know, but I listen, I crashed very early once we got there because we rode on the back of, like, one of the guys that was driving his, like, pickup truck. That's also not legal. God bless.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right after 12 shots, I a little bit want to puke right now. Go on.

[Charity Lawson]

Exactly. So I think it was the car ride for sure.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Shots for sure. But go on. Yes.

[Charity Lawson]

That's.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yes.

[Charity Lawson]

So I got to semi formal, and I was like, no, I need to go to the bathroom. And like, my best friend at the time, she, like, came with me and of course, you know.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Held your hair.

[Charity Lawson]

Yes. Held my Hair. I did the solid rusty hook is what we called it. So I just had to like. I was like, I need to. I need to get this out of my system.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I'm learning. Wait, I'm learning so many good terms. So what does that mean? What's rusty hook? Just puking in a toilet.

[Charity Lawson]

Yes. But sometimes you have to like kind of help you gotta jump, put your.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Finger down your throat kind of thing. Yes, I get the hook part. Why is it rusty?

[Charity Lawson]

I don't know. Well, it's because it's like no one wants to do that. Yeah, you shouldn't.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You shouldn't be.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Right. Okay. And did you still have a night?

[Charity Lawson]

No, I did not. Yeah, I was done. I was like, no, I'm going back home. Which really sucked because my date was really sweet. He was like, do you want me to come back with you? And I was like, no. I was like, no, please have the time of your life. I'm going to go lay on my couch. And so my friend, she took me back home and then after semi formal, they all like came and checked on me. It was. I had great people in my corner, but I just was like, after that I was like, no, I. I don't know what I was on. I was doing too much. I was feeling too, like.

[Jennifer Fessler]

You are not alone. I want to say that everybody who we've spoken to has actually, you know, been there, done that, including yours truly. Thank you very much. So do you still pregame?

[Charity Lawson]

Definitely way less. Yeah, it depends, like if I'm with like a good group of friends. Like we were just at Zach and Katie's wedding two weekends ago in Austin and we had like a bunch of people with us. So. Yeah, like, if it's a social setting that requires that, we'll usually keep it very cute and mild. But yeah, a pregame is always nice just to jump start the night. But wait a second.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Zach and Katie were on with us just a little while ago. They're adorable. And they said they had only very few people at their wedding. You guys must be very close.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah. So they invited. Yes. So it was a few girls from our season because we were all in Zach's season and then Joey and Kelsey were there and I'm trying to think other couples, like Susie was also there. So it was just like a good blend, but it wasn't a bunch of bachelor people.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Yeah, that's what they were saying. I love that.

[Charity Lawson]

Yeah, it was really sweet.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Okay, I'm sorry because this is off subject, but how close did you get. Were you a runner up? How close did you get to Zach?

[Charity Lawson]

I was. No, I was. Yeah, top four so made it to hometowns and then I got the boot after home.

[Jennifer Fessler]

I can't believe you guys all ended up though loving each other and being friends. So great.

[Charity Lawson]

Oh we had such a good group of girls. I'm like I'm forever thankful for that because it makes experience that much better.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Okay listen well I hope you all pre game together soon. Maybe one day me and you will do 12 vodka shots and get in the back of a pickup.

[Charity Lawson]

Never again.

[Jennifer Fessler]

Never again honey. Believe me that ship has sailed for me as well. Charity. Thank you love.

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