Don’t Invite Us to Journal (RHOBH Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Don’t Invite Us to Journal (RHOBH Recap)

Release Date: February 20, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Teddi and Tamra dig into the latest episode of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), zeroing in on the group dynamic—particularly around Amanda’s much-discussed journaling party—and dissect the current cast’s personalities, drama levels, and whether they’re buying into Amanda’s “manifestation” business. They also touch on moments with Rachel, Sutton, Dorit, and highlight Denise and Erica’s revelations about relationships and resilience. As always, it’s classic Housewives deep-diving—sharp, sassy, and sometimes deeply personal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amanda’s Journaling Dinner Party

Timestamps: 03:12–05:12, 14:43–18:47

• Teddi and Tamra react with sarcasm and disbelief about Amanda’s attempt to get the group to journal their feelings at a dinner party.
  • Tamra: “Don’t ever invite me over and say, okay, girls, we’re going to journal. Because I’d be like, no.” (03:25)
  • Teddi: “I do journal, but I think there’s a difference between journaling and having to sit down at a dinner party… and having to journal something you’re going to have to share with the group.” (03:43)
• Amanda’s braggadocio and flexing about her financial independence is a recurring annoyance.
  • Teddi: “Her saying, I make more money in a month than my husband makes in a year… Or her doormat. Money queen.” (05:02–05:10)
  • Tamra: “She has tried to morph her life into what her career is. Wait, isn’t that what manifesting is?” (05:25–05:32)
• They suspect Amanda uses the show as a platform to promote her manifesting journaling business.
  • Tamra: “Do you think she came on the show just to promote this manifesting business?” (14:56)
  • Teddi: “I think she came on the show because, one, she wanted to promote the manifesting business, but two, I think she thought she was going to be better received.” (15:01)

2. Cast Dynamics: Kyle, Dorit, Rachel, Sutton

Timestamps: 06:08–13:39; 17:41–18:47; 19:02–21:47; 22:31–26:39

• Kyle Richards is actively defending Amanda, but the hosts question her sincerity.
  • Teddi: “Kyle’s Amanda’s only friend. Kyle, friend in quotes.” (19:30)
• Rachel is noted for her fashion and poise—but lacks drama.
  • Tamra: “She hasn’t caused any drama. Just look fabulous and, you know, give everybody advice and show your cute little sons… but I’m gonna need her to step it up on the drama department next season.” (07:11)
• Sutton gets kudos for evolution and humor, even as Tamra recounts a bizarre mystery package story involving Sutton.
  • Tamra: “[Sutton] had to call the cops. She had to report it. It came from a person in Florida… I don’t even know what to make of it.” (08:40)
• Dorit’s Type and theories about her motivations (hint: it’s about money).
  • Tamra: “Dorit did say that her mother told her, don’t marry the best looking guy. Go for the guy with money.” (24:49)
  • Teddi: “She says she’s attracted to money. The personality. Money, which would make sense.” (23:32)

3. Amanda’s Manifesting & Money Talk

Timestamps: 14:43–18:47

• Both hosts are skeptical of Amanda’s business pitch and public persona.
  • Tamra: “It’s selling a dream. You know, she’s making money by trying to teach people how to manifest.” (15:37)
  • Teddi: “To me, it’s the inflection that’s the problem.” (15:34)
• A running joke about whether they should buy Amanda’s program:
  • Tamra: “Should we buy one of her programs just to see?” (16:44)
  • Teddi: “Let us know how rich you are.” (Joking to a fan who tried it) (17:18)

4. Manifestation, Hard Work & Reality

Timestamps: 16:09–16:44

• The hosts agree belief in manifestation is fine, but it has to be paired with effort.
  • Teddi: “Do I think that they are a situation where I have to die on that cross of manifestation… No.” (16:14, 16:29)
  • Tamra: “I’m all for positive thinking. Absolutely. But do I think if I just think about it and pray about it and talk about it that I’m gonna be a millionaire? No. There’s more to it than that. There’s hard work.” (16:34)

5. Amanda’s Alleged Cult Past

Timestamps: 34:49–36:20

• Erica presses Amanda: “Were you in a cult? We want to know.” (35:08)
• Amanda’s story about following a religious group to Florida, feeling controlled, and escaping makes both hosts highly skeptical.
  • Tamra: “Are you believing this story?” (35:55)
  • Teddi: “No.” (35:56)

6. Denise Richards’ Return and Abuse Allegations

Timestamps: 21:04–22:26, 38:05–42:52

• Denise comes back for a poignant dinner with Erica and Sutton, opening up about her divorce from Aaron and her own surgeries.
• The black eye and the restraining order against Aaron become talking points. Denise shares details about the abuse.
  • Tamra: “And for Denise to say, like, Charlie Sheen makes Aaron look like a saint… that means a lot.” (42:16)
  • Teddi: “Denise has lived a really hard life. She’s gone for the wrong men.” (42:25–42:37)
• Erica also reveals her own abuse post-Tom, surprising the hosts and casting her in a new light.
  • Teddi: “We don’t hear a lot about Erica’s dating life… she admits that she was abused by somebody she dated after Tom.” (40:12–40:21)
  • Tamra: “And Sutton was just like. She didn’t know what to say… Why do you think that she shared it?” (40:22–40:34)
  • Teddi: “I think she shared it… to give comfort to Denise… but I think it’s probably cathartic to share.” (40:34–40:43)

7. Housewife Types, Relationships & Dating

Timestamps: 23:56–27:56, 27:56–30:11

• They riff on Dorit’s supposed “type” (or lack thereof), and their own dating histories and preferences.
  • Tamra: “Everybody has a type. Even… maybe if it’s not a physical look, maybe it’s like, I like somebody that’s funny… or with money.” (26:15–26:24)
• Teddi discusses her dating life and Hinge experiences—providing lighter, personal content amid the Bravo drama.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tamra on Journaling Parties: “Don’t ever invite me over and say, okay, girls, we’re going to journal. Because I’d be like, no.” (03:25)
• Teddi on Amanda: “She’s trying to manifest so that we believe as viewers that she is exactly what she’s putting out in her business.” (05:32)
• Tamra on Skepticism: “It’s selling a dream. You know, she’s making money by trying to teach people how to manifest.” (15:37)
• Teddi on Help: “It really drives me crazy when people pretend that they don’t have help with their kids when they do.” (20:29)
• Erica to Amanda: “Were you in a cult? We want to know about the cult.” (35:08)
• Teddi on Housewives Friendship: “She’s a good friend. She doesn’t care. Just—especially in this industry.” (37:34)

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Highlighted Segments & Timestamps

| Topic | Time | |----------------------------------------------------|------------| | Amanda’s controversial journaling party | 03:12–05:12, 14:43–18:47 | | Cast critique and Amanda’s relationship with money | 05:12–07:26, 17:41–18:47 | | Tamra’s Sutton package mystery | 07:43–09:09 | | Amanda’s “cult” history | 34:49–36:20 | | Denise’s abuse revelations and Erica’s vulnerable share | 38:05–42:52 | | Dating discussion and types | 23:56–27:56 | | Lighter banter and personal stories (Hinge, Tumor Teddy) | 27:56–30:11 |

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Tone & Language

The conversation is fun, direct, and often irreverent; the women don’t hold back on their judgments but do sprinkle in empathy in vulnerable moments from cast members (especially with Denise and Erica). There’s a friendly, teasing energy between Teddi and Tamra, mixed with the trademark Housewives snark and disbelief.

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Summary Takeaways

• The hosts are uninterested in Amanda’s personal growth exercises, skeptical of her business motives, and annoyed by her overt money talk.
• Cast dynamics are shifting, with some new faces (Rachel, Amanda) being sized up for drama-potential.
• Vulnerability and strength take center stage as Denise and Erica reveal personal abuse stories, prompting real emotion from both hosts.
• The blend of sharp critique, playful stories, and hints of real support for the women of RHOBH is classic Two Ts in a Pod.

For die-hard fans, this episode is a gold mine of hot takes, Bravo-insider gossip, and the kind of banter that makes you feel you’re gossiping over coffee with two old friends.

Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

Hi, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi.

[Tamara Judge]

How's it going?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's good. Good.

[Tamara Judge]

Tired. I'm tired.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're tired. You're already tired?

[Tamara Judge]

Already tired. Like, between filming and podcasting and all the things, like, I'm exhausted.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you look good.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's half the battle.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it is. Did my own makeup today. You did?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, nice. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, we got to get right into Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, we do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We do. Okay, so the shows best moments is Amanda starts off telling her husband that she was shocked the girls weren't more into her journaling exercise.

[Tamara Judge]

I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Were you shocked?

[Tamara Judge]

No. I don't want to ever journal. Don't ever invite me over and say, okay, girls, we're going to journal. Because I'd be like, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Journal in your own time.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't. I don't want to write down my feelings ever. I don't ever want to journal. But that's just. Do you journal?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I do journal.

[Tamara Judge]

You should journal because you're going to write a book.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I do journal, but I think there's a difference between journaling and having to sit down at a dinner party. And within five minutes, sitting down and having to journal something you're going to have to share with the group.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't want to share anything personal in the group with anybody ever.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Well, then Amanda thinks Dorit is just jealous of her because Amanda isn't dependent on a man for money.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think that's just her flexing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I really. I'm trying to understand Amanda because as we watch the episode continue on with Amanda, you can see, like, Kyle throws her a couple softballs.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Kyle is doing everything in her power to be, like. You know, I think the girls are being a little hard on her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And the other girl, like, she's doing everything she can to, like, throw her a solid, and she just keeps it up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But the problem is, I can't forgive her for past mistakes.

[Tamara Judge]

What past mistakes bother you the most, Teddy?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like her talking on the phone while Rachel.

[Tamara Judge]

Big mistake.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, big, big mistake.

[Tamara Judge]

Annoying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Annoying. Obnoxious. Her doing the pilates and acting like her kids aren't standing right there with a nanny two feet away. Like her saying, I make more money in a month than my husband makes in a year.

[Tamara Judge]

What about this? Because I'm young. Young and successful.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or her doormat.

[Tamara Judge]

Money queen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Money queen.

[Tamara Judge]

When is the bottom gonna fall out of this? Cause that's all I can think about.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

When is that happening? I've decided officially what the problem is. She has tried to morph her life into what her career is.

[Tamara Judge]

She's trying to morph her life into what her career is. Wait, isn't that what manifesting is?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she's trying to manifest so that we believe as viewers that she is exactly what she's putting out in her business.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so did you think she manifested this show when she bought Kyle's house, or was that strategic?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she manifested it.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she manifested it. I would love to hear what Kyle says about Amanda buying her house and how that went about. Was there conversations? Oh, my God, you're on Housewives. Oh, I love you so much. You're my favorite.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think so. Because remember, Sutton was living there

[Tamara Judge]

when it sold.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, Sutton was living there when, like, she rented it while her house was getting redone.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We all kind of forgot about that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but she could have still, like, when I went on the market, like, oh, my God, it's Kyle Richards house.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but none of the girls seemed excited about doing the.

[Tamara Judge]

None of the girls seem excited to be around Amanda, but Kyle. But also, I'm not buying what you're selling.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And Kyle wasn't even at this event.

[Tamara Judge]

Kyle is doing the most this season.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Kyle is at the Hamptons during this event. And of course, they have to let Dorit know she wasn't invited. Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Oops.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oopsie daisy.

[Tamara Judge]

Oopsie Daisy. I am loving Rachel.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm loving Rachel too. But I feel like she's a well oiled machine.

[Tamara Judge]

What do you mean?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, she came from another reality show.

[Tamara Judge]

But I always say this like, you know what you're doing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what you're doing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, she hasn't caused any drama. She. And I'm okay with that. Like, just look fabulous and, you know, give everybody advice and show your cute little sons, and I'm okay with that. In your fabulous house. But I'm gonna need her to step it up on the drama department next season.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she's going to have to.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think she steps it up this season at all when it comes to drama?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. No.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think this is what we get from her. I also think this is what we get.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm okay with it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think this is what we get from Sutton as well.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm loving Sutton.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're loving Sutton.

[Tamara Judge]

Did I tell you what happened between me and Sutton lately?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so Sutton dm's me and says, tamara, you have to call me. Something weird's happened.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What?

[Tamara Judge]

And I said, what? So I called her immediately and I said, what's going on? She goes, the weirdest thing. She goes, I got a return Package that I never sent to you. And it was a wallet and it was sent to a house in Trabuco Canyon. I go, okay, maybe that was maybe my Cotto house or something, but. Okay. Did you send me something? No, I never sent it to you. And it came back to me, and I opened it up and it said undeliverable. And it was a Kate Spade wallet. And I would never send anybody a Kate Spade wallet. I go, oh, I wouldn't take it. Like, you know what I mean? We're going back and forth, right? And then she goes, it got weirder. Then I get a package from you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And it's a purse with cutoff handles. And I'm like, what the heck is going on? She's like, she had to call the cops. She had to report it. It came from a person in Florida. It came from the Florida post office. So I'm like, I don't even know what to make of it. I go, but the good thing is they have my wrong address. And she goes, they have my right address. I go, good luck with your life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. But I think we can fully see a difference in Sutton when she's just drinking the wine spritzers versus the vodka. Vodka.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think that was talked about, right? Was it Erica?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Erica talked about that at the end, but I think Sutton was giving good advice to Amanda. I don't think that Amanda was taking any of it in. Also, I think what we need to talk about Amanda. Have you gone on her social media page?

[Tamara Judge]

No. Is it painful?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Her like, most recent post is something like, when the haters are gonna hate, this is what you're gonna do. And it's like her and a convertible driving.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, wait, so she's you a year and a half ago?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

On social media?

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, so because this dinner party went wrong, apparently she's doing one to the public. A manifesting journaling program that people can buy into. So if you want to do it, Tam, there's still a chance.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, not happening. Do you think she came on the show just to promote this manifesting business?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she came on the show because one, she wanted to promote the manifesting business. But two, I think she thought she was going to be better received.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, I'll be honest.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she's filled with a lot of yes people.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And therefore she doesn't realize what she's doing.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, she's a smooth talker. I have seen like, you know, just scrolling seeing her doing interviews and stuff lately and she's talking about the man. I just, I don't buy into all that stuff.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

To me, it's the inflection that's the problem.

[Tamara Judge]

It's selling a dream. You know, she's making money by trying to teach people how to manifest. And now she's doing a manifestation journaling

[Teddi Mellencamp]

thing online course online that she's utilized from doing it on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, well, does that make her smart?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I mean, she's going to make more money doing it, but it also, it can backfire when all of her manifestation, like she's going to have to be very aware of everything that she does throughout, which is going to make

[Tamara Judge]

her an annoying house with manifestation. Do you manifest things?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I believe in Positive thinking, manifestation, like, you know, all of those things I want to believe, but do I think that they are a situation where I have to die on that cross of manifestation? No. No, no. And that's what she's doing.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I'm all for positive thinking. Absolutely. But do I think if I just think about it and pray about it and talk about it that I'm going to be a millionaire? No. There's more to it than that. There's hard work.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You have to work.

[Tamara Judge]

You have to work. So I don't. Should we buy one of her programs just to see?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I wonder how much it is.

[Tamara Judge]

I think there's levels. I did hear there's levels. I did have a fan reach out to me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

And tell me. Because we've all obviously had strong opinions about Amanda and what she does. Just like the cast has had strong opinions and said, I bought. Like, I like her and I bought one of her things. I go, oh, that's great.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Great.

[Tamara Judge]

That's awesome. I'm so proud of you. I hope you're a millionaire next week.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let us know how rich you are.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then we get. Bose has seen Sutton come out, and she likes the new Sutton Brown. She didn't like Sutton's track. Apparently, Sutton and Bose hope Amanda knows she doesn't need to talk about her money and how many rooms she has in her home to fit into the group. This was a scene. This was a new scene. We didn't even see this before.

[Tamara Judge]

First of all, let me ask you a question. Who do you like better, Sutton Strack or Sutton Brown?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sutton Brown.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Sutton Brown.

[Tamara Judge]

But I like when Sutton gets messy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But the problem is it didn't really always make sense when Sutton got messy, and that's what irritated me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it doesn't always have to make

[Teddi Mellencamp]

sense coming from TAM or Jazz. Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Just say it and apologize the next day. That's all you have to do. Do you think that Amanda is playing it up for her money talk for the show, or do you think this is naturally who she is, Kind of an arrogant person?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I don't know how her husband can just sit there and take it. Like, he just sits there. Like, he's sitting at his chair and they're talking about how the dinner went, and she's like, and the girls didn't love it. And he's like, that's a shocker.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow. They didn't love it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They didn't love it. Like, they weren't.

[Tamara Judge]

He's obviously bought her program.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. He's obviously in her program.

[Tamara Judge]

He bought the program.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They have a new cult and it's called the Amanda Cult. And he's in it. Yeah, but it's like there's, I don't know, it's too much like wealth whispers, money talks, and Amanda bashes us over the head with it. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I, I. No words. I won't talk about anybody's husband.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

Then we go on to Kyle facetimes. Erica from the Hamptons. Do you feel like this Hamptons trip has been going on for a year? I feel like it's never ending.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I feel like they may as well still be at the airport timestamped on the time they got there.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, oh, my God. So Erica feels Kyle in on Amanda's dinner party. Kyle feels like everyone is being hard on Amanda. And I feel like Kyle's just doing her job. I feel like I'm not going to be tied into being a bully.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, no, I think Kyle's Amanda's only friend. Kyle, friend in quotes. Yeah. Because I mean, they rode in the car together once.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, Amanda hasn't done anything horrible other than just being a little annoying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She hasn't done anything horrible but talk about her money 247 and be annoying?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. No, me and Dolores had this conversation. She's like, how can she annoy you with somebody that talks about money all the time? Anybody that talks about money. But yet Stephanie from Miami doesn't bother you? And I go, oh, you sound like Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because Teddy's like, yeah, because Stephanie bothered me too.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't bother me. I don't know. I think because I works really hard and she's like, I don't know. And she's fun and she's. I don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, no, I think Stephanie has, like, you money also. There's a difference between fucking money. And I put how much money I make on my placemat in front of my house.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Or in my bathtub.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm swimming, I'm bathing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it also $100 bill really drives me crazy when people pretend that they don't have help with their kids when they do.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's like it really drives me nuts. And so like every second that she's there holding them and doing this and acting like she's able to juggle it all. Juggle it all, juggle it all. You go, you're not juggling shit. We know, we know. And yes, your kid may be crying in the background wanting your attention right now because they're watching. You have a manifestation. Dinner.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. Well, now we find out Erica is talking to Denise.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And this was like, oh, okay. So this was like in real time when this all went down. And so she's gonna go to dinner with Denise, and they talk about the restraining order against Aaron and all the things. And they flash back to Aaron where he's going to. I wish I would never sign that release form saying he crushed Denise's hand. And I. And I think it was Erica in the scene where she said, I didn't like the way he talked to me and Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Erica tells Kyle. And on Amanda's party, Kyle feels like everyone is being hard on Denise. And then Erica tells Kyle she is going to dinner with Denise after the news of her restraining order with Aaron. I feel like this needed to happen, this conversation. So I'm excited for them because it was all over the news.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but Denise isn't a cast member.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know, but she wants to be.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean. I mean, I'm not shocked. It was great for Bob to bring her in because it's a lot of. There's a lot to talk about and there's a lot to unfold about her relationship. And her relationship has been on the show, and we did see him treat her a certain way and say things like, I'm going to crush your hand. And. And now, you know. You know, we get. They get into it. They show the black eye. Like it's. It's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we'll get. We'll get into that. But before that, we're still in the Hamptons.

[Tamara Judge]

Still in the Hamptons. We're going to be there for the

[Teddi Mellencamp]

rest of the season. We're.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm actually.

[Tamara Judge]

They're going to party, and we have stray men that just. Just 20 come in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They just come in. Are they part of the band?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know who they are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

1. Are they five years old? Are they.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they said, like, Rachel's friend or something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

One guy wrote said he was 25, and the other guy said he was 36. And I was like, one of you feels like you're lying.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, Kyle can't remember the last time her and Dorit were out and had fun. So they were. They seem like they moved past their stop.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can we talk about Dorit's dance? I know that she's probably having to listen to approved music, but it's like,

[Tamara Judge]

oh, well, when they play that approved music, which is horrible. And then Dorit thinks that fun Kyle is back yeah. So this is good.

[Weight Watchers Spokesperson]

They're.

[Tamara Judge]

They're mending, they're moving on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hopefully they're getting. Yeah, they're getting along.

[Tamara Judge]

How about Dorit saying she doesn't have a type?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She says she's attracted to money. The personality money, which would make sense.

[Tamara Judge]

Money. That's all I can think about.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's going to end up with next.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I mean, I would like to see her with somebody young and hot, match her energy and all these things.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, what is her energy? I smoke cigs and get pissed energy.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you have a type? You have a type?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have. I mean, I think clearly.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, clearly you have a type. I have a type.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't really like blondes. I like darker skin. I like darker hair. Like, I have a type of.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But also, if I meet a guy like, that was, like, funny and all that stuff. Okay, maybe my type is. Maybe he's not my type, but maybe

[Teddi Mellencamp]

if he had blue eyes and blonde hair, but he was funny and didn't have freckles.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Would still be into him.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, if you had freckles. I don't know if I can deal with that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have. Hold on. Have you noticed all the kids these days getting freckles tattooed on my lasered off.

[Weight Watchers Spokesperson]

They.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I saw one the other day, a set of freckles that were brand new on somebody's face. And I was like, what is going on here? These are new freckles and those are tattoos.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that's a thing. Like, even girls do little freckles, like henna freckles on their face. I'm gonna do that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's do that for next week.

[Tamara Judge]

But she did say. Dorit did say that her mother told her, don't marry the best looking guy. Go for the guy with money. No, I was kidding.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's not. Don't marry the best.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that how she ended up with pk?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But they also say, and gentlemen, pre blondes. It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is a poor, poor man.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So I never really.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So which one did she pick with pk?

[Tamara Judge]

The rich man, I think. Allegedly, maybe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who knows?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I've never. Like, I had one very, very rich boyfriend for five years. Very, very wealthy. And I was in my early 20s. But I truly just loved him. Like, just loved him. Wasn't even about the money. I could see, like, the richest guy in the room, and if he, like, if he doesn't do it, like, no no amount of money can make me beg somebody that I'm not trying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And if you can look at him and tell he's the richest man in the world, I'm not into.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I want the guy that is the richest man in the world. But you would never know it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You would never know it. I don't want somebody Amanda ing around.

[Tamara Judge]

What do you think about. Dorit did say that brad pitt is not her type. And she was like, oh, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I. I've talked to dorit about her. About Brad Pitt? No, about her type before. And she. She's. She stands by. She doesn't have a type, but we've never seen her.

[Tamara Judge]

Everybody has a type. Even, like, maybe if it's not a physical look, maybe it's like, I like somebody that's funny. I like somebody that's like a really. I don't know, there's things like, I

[Teddi Mellencamp]

want someone that's going to take care of me, or I like somebody that cooks, or I like this somebody with money.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you go out with Brad Pitt?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. Yeah, obviously.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Like, who wouldn't go out with rat pitt? I like his cool personality. I just like thinking he's in his 60s now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's frightening.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I mean my hinge, because, you know, I'm single these days.

[Tamara Judge]

Your hinge?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, God, my hinge.

[Tamara Judge]

What's the age on your hinge?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I upped my age to 55. Disaster. Why disaster? The age gap between 50 and 55 on hinge is unbelievable.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, what are these guys doing? Like, what? I mean, is it a physical thing? Like they look like they're really old or what is it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I. It's a physical thing.

[Tamara Judge]

And how do you know they're not lying about their age when they're 65?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. Some people it says approved at the top, but mine's not approved because all my stuff is.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really? So when you. Is this, like, you swipe, you look through, do they send you guys or

[Teddi Mellencamp]

do you just send you roses? If they want to talk to you and they have to pay for this.

[Tamara Judge]

How much time do you spend on this app?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Just when I'm bored. So 99%.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, 99% of the time. You know, when she doesn't text us back, people, she's unhinged. Unhinged. So you talk, you chat them up, and then you're like. Like, what's your opening line?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't have an opening line. They have to open to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I will just Accept. I know they don't. Middle 55 year old men from, like, Orange, not even Orange county, don't know who I am.

[Tamara Judge]

All I know is we are moving Sophia into her new apartment the other day and that some guy in a moving truck came by, not somebody we were working with. And they yell, eddie, I'm a big fan. I'm like, what is that? He's like, those are my people. Those are my people.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I did have kind of an embarrassing thing happen to you.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, what is that guy doing Watching Housewives?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was getting glam, and my glam goes. So one of the girls I was with the other day was looking at pictures of, like, all my glam photos because she wanted to pick what she wanted to do, and then she saw a picture of you, and she goes, oh, one of my best friends, he dated her right before she went to the hospital. Remember that guy that I dated right before?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I thought you said he said about me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, me, right before I went to the hospital. The guy I dated, Like, I was talking to him during the Super Bowl.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And I saw him the night before.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He randomly knows my glam girl's best friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Ew.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

How do you talk to him anymore?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, he totally. I scared him off.

[Tamara Judge]

He's like a frat boy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Teddy on Roy scared him off.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Teddy tumored up. Sc him off too. I remember laying. Laying in bed and you're talking to him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm like, you might want to be

[Tamara Judge]

a little lazy on that guy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Tumor Teddy was not good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Tumor Teddy wasn't one to date.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Tumor Teddy had tequila, but she did. Tumor Teddy on tequila was even worse.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. Tumor Teddy. I haven't been tipsy yet on tumor Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

You haven't?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Not at all.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it. I've had, like, not advised.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I just. I know that I can barely do things on my own.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I'm like, Tumor Teddy with more than two drinks is probably not the best plan.

[Tamara Judge]

Probably not. Do you ever go like it? You know what? Here I am. Let's just. Let's get lit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not yet. But I'm sure I'll do that with you.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Mind Games Narrator]

What if mind control is real?

[Tamara Judge]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Ben Higgins]

When you look at your car, you're gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Ben Higgins]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your co?

[Tamara Judge]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Ben Higgins]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work.

[Tamara Judge]

This is wild.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode I now with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if youf Can Hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

[Tamara Judge]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Teddi Mellencamp]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Tamara Judge]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Mind Games Narrator]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Tamara Judge]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology Natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a

[Teddi Mellencamp]

mini driver, The Irish traveler said when I was 16.

[Tamara Judge]

You're gonna have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are Misunderstood A Sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an

[Tamara Judge]

embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We get through the Rachel thing, which I think Rachel thinks this is a full cast party because she's fully filled the table. I have no idea who anyone is.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I like when the guys get up and they're like, we're gonna go right now. I'm like, that's Q for the production's like, can you leave? We're gonna go.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We need them to talk some. So do you mind?

[Tamara Judge]

Do you mind just leaving? Just leaving.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then Erica meets up with Amanda. I thought this was odd.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Erica wasted no time. No, she's not going to waste her spare time with Amanda unless she gets the answers she still wants. Were you in a cult?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Were you in a cult? We want to know about the cult.

[Tamara Judge]

We want to know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She asked as a group, but then you know what? She didn't give me enough. How'd you get into.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, like, my excuse. She said her excuse, but her answer.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She said, my parents weren't religious. I was, and so I kind of fell into this group and then I left and went to Florida.

[Tamara Judge]

What cults in Florida?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. We need to do some research.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, is we talking religious? Is it science?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But also, she's only in a year and a half cult.

[Tamara Judge]

She was in a cult for a year and a half. And how, like, did they kidnap her? Like, what, she couldn't? How? Did she escape?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, she followed the church to Florida and then it quickly became extremely controlling. One night after church, she drove to her sister's house and never looked back.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you believing this story? No, I didn't either. I just didn't believe I just, like, it wasn't like. It's one of those things, like, I'm gonna put in my manifesting manual so people know, like, how to.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not how to join my cult. Not that one. Yeah,

[Tamara Judge]

you said it. So she knows a little about cults.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I love that. Erica's like, well, it's time to get to work here, so I'm gonna ask about the cult.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Erica. Erica clocked in this episode.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. There was no other.

[Tamara Judge]

She's been pretty quiet this season so far.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's been pretty quiet, but she has always. Some one ding. Some one line dingers.

[Tamara Judge]

She does. She does. And she's kind of being a voice of reason this season.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm with. Was it Kyle that said, like, this poor girl, things just keep smacking her in the face.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But is it that things keep smacking her in the face, or is she asking to be smacked in the face?

[Tamara Judge]

So this poor girl, everything she's gone through for years now, it's like one lawsuit after another, and all because of her ex husband.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And she's so calm about everything.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know how she's doing it. She has to be the strongest person in the entire world.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's so strong. She's. I actually saw her and Rinna and Dorit the other day at. I saw the pictures at the Vanity Fair party.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I thought it was for Lisa's book.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, for Lisa's book and Vanity Fair play. Okay, so it was a combo. But Erica's just, you know, every single time I see her, she always asks. Asks about how you're doing before she. You know, she's one of those. She's a good person.

[Tamara Judge]

She's a good friend.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's a good friend. She doesn't care. Just.

[Tamara Judge]

Especially in this industry. Yeah, Like, I try to make a point of that, especially, like, the girls that are on my cast and stuff. Like, how are your kids? Like, you know, because nobody ever talks. Nobody asked about my kids. Yeah, you know, like, how are your kids? What are you doing? How's the husband?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How's the new guy you're dating?

[Tamara Judge]

Because I feel like if you don't especially, like, I mean, you guys were cast members at one time. Like. Like, are we really friends? Like, is this true friendship or what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, because I don't want to just small talk with everybody. I want to know.

[Tamara Judge]

I want to know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then we have Erica, Sutton, and Denise meeting for drinks. I was a little bit confused with Sutton being there. Why?

[Tamara Judge]

Why do you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because it's not Like, Sutton had some super close relationship with.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, see, I don't know. With their.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

With Denise. So that finals season that Denise was on, Sutton was there, but she wasn't really a part of any of it.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so you're saying they're not that close, so why is she there?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but maybe it was just because that out of the other people that

[Tamara Judge]

were living in the Hamptons, she's the only one available. We got to invite. Invite her. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But Denise tells the girls how she lost weight and got a fake.

[Tamara Judge]

This is. Okay. Liposuction usually makes you lose weight, by the way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. But this is also what was really hard for me. I couldn't take the moment as seriously as I needed to because. Are we talking about plastic surgery? Are we talking about domestic violence?

[Tamara Judge]

Are we talking about black eyes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I think, like. I mean, bless her heart for being so open and honest in a. In an industry that people normally don't want to fess up to having surgery. And she's like, I had. She had, like, the full thing. She had a full facelift. That's. Yeah, well, so she had a brow lift, the facelift, the neck lift, all that. And then she said she got new boobs. And then she had. She had two surgeries, and then she had another. Like, she had fat injected into her, like her boobs or something. Or something like that after she had implants put in. And she. She had a lot of things.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She had a lot of things. And so I think. I'm guessing what she's doing is that was already out there in the world, so she didn't want to get on top of it a liar. So she just thought, if I share all of this, then I can also share my story.

[Tamara Judge]

But also, you have to understand, that could have been a two hour filming, and they gotta break it down. They gotta condense it. So it could have been like, that's not the only thing they talked about, but they gotta put it together.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Cause then they crammed in Erica's conversation as well.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Erica basically saying the sentence different because she doesn't drink vodka anymore.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, Erica. That Erica had been. Oh, well, yeah, the same thing later

[Tamara Judge]

at the end of the conversation, she.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She.

[Tamara Judge]

We don't hear a lot about Erica's dating life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So she admits that she was abused by somebody she dated after Tom.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And Sutton was just like. She didn't know what to say. She's like, wait, I. Sutton didn't know

[Teddi Mellencamp]

what to say to either of the girls, when they were sharing.

[Tamara Judge]

Why do you think that she shared it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she shared it. 1. To give comfort to Denise, make her feel like you're not alone. But I think it's something that was probably cathartic to share.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And you can also tell that Erica is a lot like me. Where it's just like, yep, it happened. You just move on.

[Jill Winterstein]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Where some people can't process it like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

They need to go to therapy. They need to do a lot of things. They need to really dive into it. And then some people, it's probably the way you shouldn't. Is just brush it under the rug,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

because then it comes back to get well.

[Tamara Judge]

Now all I want to know is, who is this asshole?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I want to know that, too.

[Tamara Judge]

You don't know who it is?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know who it is, but I. I have a shovel. I do know that she said it happened after the third time is when she left.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's so. I mean, it's. It's hard as a viewer to listen to that, because we don't see her dating life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we don't see her dating life.

[Tamara Judge]

I wish we did. Now we know about this new guy, but we haven't seen him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But she must feel very safe with this new guy, which is what I like.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And she said, like, it was really hard when you have a son that's a police officer, and you have to,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

like, call the cops.

[Tamara Judge]

Call the cops and.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then call your son to Miss.

[Tamara Judge]

How did this never become public?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, was this guy arrested? She said she had to call the cops, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. Maybe he just was escorted out. I don't know. Yeah, but it's scary. But it's also scary with Denise, like, what she was talking about, you know, during her surgery, they had not. He had knocked one of her plugs out. Her.

[Tamara Judge]

Her drains.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Her drains, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And to smack her in the face after she had, like, what a fucking animal. What an animal. What an animal. And for Denise to say, like, Charlie Sheen makes Aaron look like a saint or something like that, like, that means a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sad state of affairs.

[Tamara Judge]

Really sad. And then when Denise said, Aaron makes Charlie Sheen look like a saint, I mean, that's telling right there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And then she said the first person she heard from was Charlie, and the second person she heard from was Erica.

[Tamara Judge]

Erica.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I think Denise has lived a really hard life.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. She's gone for the wrong men. I think she likes those. You know, I don't know, maybe she's with Carmen Electra now because all I see is pictures of them naked all over my feed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I saw Carmen Electer yesterday and she had clothes on.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, did she look good? She's pretty.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She is pretty.

[Tamara Judge]

She's pretty. Where'd you see her at?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I saw at Rinna's thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, well, we see Denise and, and Carmen and they're doing like some only fan stuff.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. What is that?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. Should we do some too?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know that we would turn out so great.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. But Sutton says she's never had one ounce of plastic surgery in her entire life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I give her about two more years. But thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod. We love recapping Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and we can't wait for next week. This is an iHeart podcast.

[Jill Winterstein]

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