Filtering Your Nose Holes (RHOC Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Filtering Your Nose Holes" (RHOC Recap, Season 19 Episode 5)

Podcast with Teddi Mellencamp and Dolores Catania (guest co-host)
Date: August 13, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp is joined by Dolores Catania to recap Season 19, Episode 5 of The Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC). With Tamra Judge absent, the two ‘Ts’ deliver their frank, signature commentary on housewives drama—covering everything from body-shaming accusations and personal struggles, to friendship dynamics and social media toxicity. As always, the conversation is peppered with candid confessions, humor, and a little TMI.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: Recap Philosophy & “The F Word” Controversy

• Teddi and Dolores discuss recapping in a world where everyone already has an opinion. (04:12–04:46)

  • Teddi notes the futility in rehashing press-fueled drama: "There's not even a point to recap it. Everybody's seen it." (04:12)
  • Both agree: learn from mistakes and “maybe try apologizing without a but” (04:48)

• Dolores on the overuse of "but" and holding loved ones accountable. (05:15–05:55)

  • Dolores recounts correcting her daughter Gabby for using "but" too much during an interview, expressing her desire to improve family communication.

• The F Word Incident: Who really said what? (06:53–09:10)

  • Teddi clarifies that Tamra never used the word "fat", but Gina repeatedly did: "For the record, I counted Gina said it over eight times." (07:35)
  • Dolores candidly discusses her own struggles: "I've been the F word. I'm now the F word, like, it's..." (07:40)
  • Both agree showing the photo wasn’t Tamra's best move, but they don’t see it as body shaming.

2. Housewives Dynamics, Producer Manipulation & Heather’s Role

• Pile-ons and narrative stretching: (09:10–11:05)

  • Teddi: "If not, it really is just a pile on everybody piling on without fully knowing the information." (11:05)
  • The panel notes Heather Dubrow's skillful, noncommittal approach to drama: "Heather has an amazing way of like not getting into it, but getting into it, stirring it. Just the tip." (09:34)

• “Just the tip” running joke:

  • The phrase becomes a humorous riff throughout, standing in for people “dabbling” in conflict without “diving in.” (10:04–10:22)

3. Filters, Social Media, and the “Nose Holes” Moment

• Gretchen’s use of filters gets a roast.

  • Teddi: "She filters so much, she takes out her nose holes, she forgets to leave mouth again." (11:58)
  • Dolores: "Listen, Gretchen's not a bad looking woman... she doesn't need all that." (12:49)

• Dolores and Teddi on the pressure to look perfect online: (12:23–13:22)

  • Both admit to wanting to use filters and joke about their own lack of technical savvy and beauty struggles.

4. Emotional Realities Behind the Scenes

• Tamra’s New Orleans Trauma and Genuine Friendship: (13:22–17:16)

  • The trip to New Orleans triggers memories for Tamra and Teddi, recalling Teddi’s life-threatening health emergency.
  • Dolores emphatically rejects the narrative that Tamra seeks sympathy on camera and describes how emotionally invested Tamra was off camera:
    "Off camera, Tamra was scrambling to try to find answers for you. Hysterical." (14:15)
  • They reflect on the difference between TV friendship and real bonds:
    "Some people on television shows are just friends. We've never been like, we don't do that." (15:33) – Teddi

• Emily’s guilt about leaving her son Luke: (24:43–25:26)

  • Dolores is moved by Emily’s emotional moment:
    "Her cries are so visceral. There's a lot of people going through things in this episode that's like, oh, my God." (25:06)

5. Toxicity in Fan Culture and Social Media

• Body Image, Cyberbullying, and Empathy: (25:26–27:49)
  • Teddi expresses frustration at online cruelty towards Housewives’ appearances:
    “Fans have been awful, awful to both Emily and Larsa this week because about their looks…” (25:26)
  • Dolores: "It's a very sad existence. I have a lot of pity for those people rather than hate..." (27:40)

6. Relationship Struggles, “Just the Tip,” and TMI

• Jen and Ryan’s struggles—body image, ex drama, and intimacy issues: (27:49–30:21)
  • Dolores admires Jen and Ryan’s resilience handling custody and legal issues, calling their relationship true love.
  • Teddi brings comic relief referencing Jen’s pelvic floor surgery:
    "Now that I found out, he can't even fully get it inside. He can. Literally just the tip that made me. Ouch." (28:52)
  • Both riff humorously on kegels, medical procedures, and unintended consequences of plastic surgery.

7. Housewife Adventures: Boat Rides, Blunders, and Etiquette

• Housewives get geography wrong on their boat trip: (30:21–31:26)

  • Teddi and Dolores poke fun at the cast for failing to recognize the Mississippi River:
    "How about read the sign? I'm sure there's a sign somewhere that says Mississippi River." (31:18)

• Gretchen’s mysterious speech impediment: (31:26–32:47)

  • Teddi: “Did Gretchen just get her wisdom teeth removed or something?” (31:26)
  • Dolores theorizes, drawing from her dental experience, but both remain mystified.

8. The Dinner Party: Spills, Sex, and Housewives Humor

• Dinner chaos: soup spilled on Heather, reactions dissected: (37:33–39:05)

  • Dolores on Heather’s lack of graciousness:
    "Heather was not very gracious about it." (37:44)
  • Teddi wishes someone had simply asked, “Are you sticky?” for more realism.

• Shannon’s ideal man and the Housewives’ height issues: (39:18–40:47)

  • The group discusses male height and Heather’s husband, Terry’s shoe lifts; Dolores confesses to buying lift shoes for her own partner.

• Sex talk: Positions and post-surgery realities: (40:47–41:31)

  • Emily candidly says her favorite position is from behind so she can watch TV and eat snacks.
  • Teddi and Dolores joke about getting tattoos declaring “narrow crossing” above a surgical vaginal opening.

9. Pivotal Moments and Next Week’s Drama

• Dolores foreshadows a major turning point as Tamra threatens to quit: (42:05–42:23)
  • Dolores: "This is the pivotal moment of the season. This is the moment, like, you know, every season, Teddy, as you know, has to have a moment." (42:05)
  • Both tease that bigger drama is imminent in the following episode.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Apologies and the “But” Excuse:

  • “Maybe try apologizing without a but.” – Teddi (04:48)
  • “That doesn’t happen often in our world, does it, Teddy?” – Dolores (04:53)

• On “The F Word” Drama:

  • “For the record, I counted Gina said it over eight times.” – Teddi (07:35)
  • “I’ve been the F word. I’m now the F word, like, it’s…” – Dolores (07:40)

• On Filters and Social Media Fakery:

  • “She filters so much, she takes out her nose holes…” – Teddi (11:58)
  • “If I knew how to put a filter on this, I’d be doing it right now.” – Dolores (12:11)

• On Real Friendship:

  • “We are… true friends.” – Teddi (15:33)
  • “Off camera, Tamra was scrambling to try to find answers for you. Hysterical.” – Dolores (14:15)

• On Fan Toxicity:

  • “Fans have been awful, awful to both Emily and Larsa… Can we do a little better?” – Teddi (25:26)

• On Kegels & Medical Humor:

  • “Every time I hear it, I do a kegel now. Aren’t you doing it?” – Teddi (29:16)

• On Housewives’ Geography Blunders:

  • “How about read the sign? I’m sure there’s a sign somewhere that says Mississippi River.” – Dolores (31:18)

• On Sex Talk & TMI:

  • “Emily… likes to say it’s from behind so she can watch TV. And if she could have snacks…” – Teddi (40:58)

• On Foreshadowing Drama:

  • “This is the pivotal moment of the season… the moment.” – Dolores (42:05)

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Major Segments with Timestamps

• [06:53] Breakdown and debate over who said what about “the F word”
• [13:22] New Orleans trip triggers memories of Teddi’s brain surgery, Tamra’s emotional response
• [24:43] Emily opens up about leaving Luke—raw parental emotion
• [27:49] Body image discussion, cyberbullying, Jen’s own language use
• [28:52] The “just the tip” joke and pelvic floor surgery TMI
• [30:21] Travel mishaps and the Housewives’ failing geography
• [37:33] Dinner party chaos—spilled soup, awkward reactions
• [39:18] Discussion of Shannon’s “ideal man” and group’s obsession with height
• [40:47] Housewives banter about favorite sex positions, Emily’s comedic reply
• [42:05] Teasing Tamra’s dramatic exit and next week’s episode

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Final Thoughts

Teddi and Dolores deliver a recap that’s equal parts humorous, self-deprecating, and insightful. They balance the absurd with moments of real empathy, particularly as they discuss Tamra and Teddi’s off-screen friendship, Emily’s parenting anxieties, and the cottage industry of Housewives social media criticism. There’s plenty of behind-the-scenes color, lots of laughs (“just the tip” jokes abound!), and pointed reminders that reality TV figures are, in fact, human. The episode closes with the promise of increased drama to come and the reassurance that, for these ladies, friendship is the real thing.

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For more “Two Ts in a Pod,” tune in wherever you get your podcasts, and prepare for next week’s must-see RHOC blow-up!

Transcript

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[Dolores Catania]

Two T's in a pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hi, guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the Rough with Teddi Mellencamp and surprise fill in. What? What are we even? You're not even a guest at this point. You're surprise fill in co host.

[Dolores Catania]

I am whatever you say I am.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

You are the boss. Teddy Mellencamp. You are my boss. So I'll take whatever title you want to give me. And I don't say that to too many people.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, I love you, Dolores. You know who is obsessed with your ex husband?

[Dolores Catania]

Who?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Edwin. He interviewed him the other day and apparently they got on biggest things.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I love that he's a guy's guy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. They just. They really got along well. Edwin was all chipper around. I'm like, what are you so excited about? He's like, do you know Dolores Catania? And I'm like, yes, she's one of.

[Dolores Catania]

They're so stupid.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But anyways, yeah. So there's a lot of things that we're going to recap. Season 19, episode 5 of Real Housewives of Orange County. There was a lot of things in the press, and there's a lot of things everywhere. And I feel like the only thing that Dolores and I could do by commenting on it would be getting ourselves in trouble because there's been so much chatter at this point even. There's not even a point to recap it. Everybody's seen it.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's the thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Make your own opinion.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, and learn from your mistakes.

[Dolores Catania]

What else can you do?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, that's. And maybe try apologizing without a but.

[Dolores Catania]

That doesn't happen often in our world, does it, Teddy?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. Why has there always gotta be a but? We should take butt out of everybody's vernacular and see how well they go. They can't do it.

[Dolores Catania]

Throw it in the garbage. The trash. You know what? I want to get rid of Teddy, but I probably. Is that always around?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think has been around since I've been lost for words.

[Dolores Catania]

No. I feel like I hear it now more than ever, unless I'm sensitive to it. Like, poor Gabby, you know, my daughter Gabby. I've been making her work with clear the shelters this year and, you know, in the season, and she's been Doing a lot of. She was. Took off of work to do an interview with me. And she said too many times, but I didn't want to yell at her there. So I had to wait till we were done. And then I felt bad because she's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then she's overthinking it and can't change it.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what I'm saying. And so now. But she's gotten. But you know, I told her. And now the last couple times she's gotten better. So if I do that, please tell me because I'm trying not to be the girl.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, you have diplomatic immunity now. Like, so if there's anybody out there that wants to say something to me and me not get mad, you're going to have to go through Teddi, listen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You'Re going to have to go through me. And we're going to do our best to. We'll get through it. Because we're. We're easy to have conversations. It's easy to have a conversation with Dolores. I have no problem.

[Dolores Catania]

But not lately. Lately I've been a fucking lunatic.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You have.

[Dolores Catania]

Lunatic.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can't wait. I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know why. I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because someone suggested you needed to be a lunatic a little bit for my viewing pleasure.

[Dolores Catania]

It's in like, even off camera, on camera, I'm just. I'm just very up. Like Paul's like, calm down. I don't know what it is.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's how I've been too. And I think somebody told me it's because Mercury is in retrograde. I believe in this shit.

[Dolores Catania]

One of those things.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, shit, it's over and we're not any better. It ended.

[Dolores Catania]

No excuse.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We don't even have a but. Damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it. Well, it starts off this episode at Gina's housewarming party. Jen tells the girls she met with Tamara and explains that Tamara called, claimed Jen is obsessed with her. And then Gina tells them. And I'm only going to say this one time because I don't think it's necessary to keep saying the word. But Gina tells them about the fatty in quotation marks photo Tamara had shown Heather Jen from years prior. Listen, Tamara may have said it was when Jen was heavy, but she never said the F word. And Gina is the one who continues to say it. And everybody else in this episode. And for the record, I counted Gina said it over eight times.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I don't want to say that because I've been the F word. I'm now the F word, like, it's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Just we all struggle in different ways.

[Dolores Catania]

And I always struggled and we know your struggles. And it's not fun. It isn't fun.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think it's weird that she didn't actually say the F word. But all the women are obsessed with saying that's exactly what she said because.

[Dolores Catania]

They want to say it and they're using her mouth to do it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but then it offends everybody. Now everybody's offended. Now we can't stop hearing the F word.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm tired of it. Let's just stop, you know? Yeah, but listen, Jen looks great. Her body's insane right now. She should be proud of whatever it is that she's worked hard on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And yeah, she looks stunning. I mean, should Tamara have shown the photo? Definitely not. But when she said heavy, I think she meant as it to look how Jen got into amazing shape after meeting me. Not that this makes any of it tons better, but she's trying to justify a reason why, like, oh, well, clearly it's. She did these, made these changes because she wanted to be like me. I don't think she was trying to body shame or judge her in that way at all.

[Dolores Catania]

Whatever she was doing, I can tell you one thing she wasn't doing was the body shame.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, she was not. And that's now turned into the whole thing all over the world wide web as well.

[Dolores Catania]

So everybody's upset that she. Okay, well, listen, it's got, you know what happens tatty with this type of thing. It lasts until something else happens. It has a 72 hour shelf life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The problem is, I think the next thing that's going to happen if once we get to the trailer of this episode is something with Tamra. Tamara is getting it this season.

[Dolores Catania]

It's a rough one.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's a rough one.

[Dolores Catania]

It's a rough one. We all have our seasons. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But when Tamara arrives, it's awkward with everyone. Jen, Shannon and Emily and Heather go outside to discuss the F photo and Jen gets brought up. Heather explains that Tamara was trying to show that Jen worked out to look like her. Oh, this is exactly what I just said. Huh? And then Heather explains how she can see someone else's point of view. And Jen says Heather is bamboozled. And. But Heather has an amazing way of like not getting into it, but getting into it, stirring it. Just the tip.

[Dolores Catania]

Just the tip. The tip counts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The tip counts. It counts that she does it so effortlessly.

[Dolores Catania]

You can't just say it was just the tip ever. Like you could try.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That doesn't count. But you know, there was a couple thrusts in there.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Maybe two or three.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

One for good luck, one for goodbye.

[Dolores Catania]

It's always the goodbye thrust that's the best.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But if looks could kill. When Heather's eyes burned through Jen's face when she said bamboozled, like Heather was like, not me.

[Dolores Catania]

No, not today.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not today.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't get bamboozled. I'm Heather. Debra. I don't get bamboozled. But I was impressed at how she did try to explain the real intention behind it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's like what we're trying to do.

[Dolores Catania]

It's impressive. Yeah, no, that was very impressive on Heather's part. It really was.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because if not, it really is just a pile on everybody piling on without fully knowing the information. What would have been more interesting, television at this point is if they had brought Tamara out and said, hey, can you explain this a little bit?

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, yeah, well, no, that's not gonna happen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, fine, fine. Well then Katie asked Tamara how it went with Jen, and Tamara explained that she told Jen she's obsessed with her, especially for reaching out to people like Gretchen. Gretchen tells Tamara it's like she has never learned her lesson, calls her delusional, and then walks outside.

[Dolores Catania]

Gretchen came back with a vengeance.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's not trying to get any forgiveness here. But also, I hate to be the bear of bad news, Gretchen, filters are considered being delusional. So unless you think that we are all delusional.

[Dolores Catania]

Are they?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You need to peruse through her filters. She filters so much, she takes out her nose holes, she forgets to leave mouth again.

[Dolores Catania]

Does she need them that much? Listen, if I knew how to put a filter on this, I'd be doing it right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Believe me. If this could face up, it'd be on there.

[Dolores Catania]

You're not faceapped. God bless.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, thank you.

[Dolores Catania]

That's not even fair. You look airbrushed. I don't know how to work this. And Paul's sunning himself in the backyard, so he wasn't able to help me get this on. My assistant brought my dog to get her nails cut. So when I had to turn this on, I'm like, all right, fuck it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you normally have a filter on here? I want one. I always have one.

[Dolores Catania]

I think I thought I did anyway. It's not enough, but, you know. Yeah, it's the whole filter game. But is.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She does.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, Gretchen's not a bad looking woman. She looks great in her confession.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She doesn't need the extremities.

[Dolores Catania]

She doesn't need all that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The filter she uses.

[Dolores Catania]

Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Why?

[Dolores Catania]

Is someone doing it for her? Or she just doesn't know how to do it? It just makes you look weird when you don't have to when you work that hard on yourselves. Gretchen looks like she's someone who actually works hard on taking care of himself. Like, I know she doesn't have roots like I do right now, ever. And she's very fit and thin, so no need for all the filters. You work too hard. Just saying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No need for all of it. But then Gina tells them they're all going to New Orleans. This you might have to take a little bit because it was. It's hard for me to watch. Tamara's upset because the last time she was in New Orleans, she said it was with me, and it was when I had fallen down the marble stairs. And a couple days later is when I ended up in the hospital and had to have my emergency brain surgery. So it's very weird for me watching this back because of course, I know how hard, like, I, you know, Tamara came, was one of the first people to come see me. At the hospital, you mean? And she's there for me, staying with me, and I know what she's going through, but it's also hard for me to watch back. So what was your thoughts on watching the whole thing altogether? Because, I mean, they say reality shows, you're supposed to talk about anything, but then they. Every time she says something, they're like, oh, she. She wants sympathy.

[Dolores Catania]

So I can speak for Tamara, who. And you may not know this, or you may know this, my. Off camera, Tamara was scrambling to try to find answers for you. Hysterical. I had not. I'm close with you guys, but I was so happy. She picked up every call to answer for you and just say, I'm so upset. I'm so worried. She was worse off camera than you saw her, even on camera. So whoever wants to say that, and I would never lie about this, I want to speak for someone who knows that you can. I can debunk all whoever has said, oh, she's looking for attention on camera, because I have seen people say that. And you don't want to fight with these people because when you text them, you go into a whole thing and it's just not worth it. I just want to be here to say that Tamara was, of course, truly, truly broken over you, as everybody was. You were so loved, but Tamara is so close to you and was going through it with you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think people don't realize that, like, I mean, I had a select group of girlfriends.

[Dolores Catania]

I know that. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, a select group of girlfriends that were really there for me and Tamara was one of them. And, like, I was not a peach to be dealing with. Like, I was a real freaking hard person to deal with. And like, when I was in the hospital and even leading up to the hospital, I mean, Tamara and I had had multiple conversations where I was like, something is wrong with me. I don't know what's wrong with me. Things were happening and like, we were. And a part of, like, we gotten to the point because I wasn't even making sense because, you know, all these plum sized tumors in my brain that Tamara was like, are you okay, Teddy? What do we do? Like, I love you. Like, we. Tamara and I don't film a television show together. We have done this podcast for so many years. We are like, some people on television shows are just friends. We've never been like, we don't do that. We're not on Real Housewives of Orange county together. There's nothing for either of us to gain from one another. And we're true friends.

[Dolores Catania]

Right? That's what people don't understand. They don't know how to separate these shows from what the two of you do. And you're together all year round. People on the shows, it's four months out of the year where you're on top of each other, then you see each other off camera, the real friends. But the two of you for so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Many years have five times a week.

[Dolores Catania]

Five times a week, all year around. A lot of time. You've been through a lot together and nothing has ever come between your friendship. Nothing. And I'm sure you've had disagreements. Who doesn't?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, we can both be petty at times, for sure, but I think at the end of the day, we love each other and we joke about it and we say like, remember that time you deleted me from the chat one time? Or like. And I'm like, remember that time I called you 147 times and you wouldn't, you know, like, those types of things. But that's real friendship. And I think truthfully, if one of the girls would have actually, like, given her some love and said, like, talked through it a bit, maybe it would have helped her move on. But I felt like she had to just. She kept kind of having to slide in little bits of information, like, why doesn't anyone realize after I've just told them that New Orleans is going to be, you know, like, that what my situation was in New Orleans. Cut to 20 minutes later, we're going to New Orleans.

[Dolores Catania]

That's the thing. It's dehumanizing sometimes to watch you forget that these women and that all people on reality are human because they get a lot of flack from social media and then they see us fighting and then they see all this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But.

[Dolores Catania]

But they don't see what we're going. What you can't see what somebody's feeling inside.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And. But somebody with empathy would understand. Now, one thing about Heather, and I'm going to say Tamara reached out to them quite a bit because her husband's a doctor and he was an information for her to explain what you were going through and to be there for her. So Heather understood at great lengths what Tamra was going through and what was going on between the two of you at the time. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And you could see Heather would come over and lay on the bed with Tam, like there are past things. But I think, you know, the one thing that we can say that was really positive for Tamara this episode was we see her with Sophia looking through her Spotify stats. And I mean, granted, I want to know what the song is. It's about the girl that falls in love with the cannibal. But I mean, just you can see the relationship and how great it is. And that part made me smile.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Foreign.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

If there's anything as perfectly dramatic and totally engrossing as reality tv, it might be the procedural shows on primetime TV right now.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Each episode joins host and former Chicago cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci, and he's joined by the actors, producers and writers behind the epic One Chicago Universe.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then the part that made me sad was Emily gets emotional about leaving Luke for New Orleans. She feels like Luke depends on her.

[Dolores Catania]

So that really got me Teddi, because it really was a real look at a parent who. A mother or a father who's going through that. Like, she feels guilty to be having or living her life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And I can only imagine that what she's going through, like, it's gotta be so hard. She's so worried about him every second, every minute. Her cries are so visceral. Like, there's a lot of people going through things in this episode that's like, oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That are big things. They're big things.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And can I just do, like, a little psa? Fans have been awful, awful to both Emily and Larsa this week because about their looks. Can we.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can, like, we do a little better? Like, we make fun of housewives in so many ways, including outfits and hairstyles. But what we've been saying, what people have been saying and doing online is not Good. It's one thing to be like, that's not my favorite look, but like, the things that have been said about the.

[Dolores Catania]

Memes that are coming out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, it, it's. It's getting to the point where it's like, we want it to still have a fun aspect to it and we know the show is about drama, but social media, let's make it fun. You can be shady and talk shit, but still make it.

[Dolores Catania]

When did it get so dark? There was always a few here and there, but now the majority of it is so dark. Larsa was so hammered that she felt the need to get on social media, in a mirror with her phone and try to explain why she looked like that to people that she never met or doesn't. Has no bearing on her life. She's like, but I had an allergic reaction. This is my face. Really? Like, I can only imagine for her to have to do that, what she really was feeling at the time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's. I mean, it's so brutal. It's. I mean, the other day, most of the time I don't respond. I don't even see it. But somebody the other day was like, oh, my gosh, you look sickly. You need to change your look. Blah, blah, blah. And I wrote back, well, I do have stage four cancer. Sorry about my appearance. Doesn't appease you. And then all of a sudden she's, I'm so sorry. I'm like, okay, what the hell?

[Dolores Catania]

She just want the attention.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She just wanted the attention of the response all.

[Dolores Catania]

It's, It's. How sad are these people that they feel the need to say something so egregious to you to get your attention, like a child. Is it like, I can only imagine how pathetic somebody's life is that they.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Haven'T want to say that.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, like a child throwing a tantrum. So they get attention.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, or we just have to do better. We have to.

[Dolores Catania]

Very sad. It's a very sad existence. I have a lot of pity for those people rather than hate, to be honest with you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, true. I didn't have hate. I just was like, gosh, what is wrong with everyone? Then Jen brings up to Ryan how she struggles with body image. So the fact that Tamara is showing. Then she uses the word, the F word. Then she uses it. Jen herself.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, Jen, but just don't you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We. Now she's calling herself that.

[Dolores Catania]

I thought that we're not supposed to be saying that or whatever.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I thought so too. But it keeps going and they discuss it.

[Dolores Catania]

They Love the word.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They love the word.

[Dolores Catania]

They can't get enough complaining about it, but they love the word.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They love the word. Then they discuss Jen's ex husband, Will, and how the situation weighs on Ryan. I mean, Ryan kind of wins me over this episode a little bit when he said he's not. He's. Her ex has not paid a dollar towards the lump sum agreeing upon her. And all her kids live with Ryan, and Ryan has to pay the attorney. Like, Ryan's having to do a lot of things. This is.

[Dolores Catania]

They're so in love, those two.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Love. But now that I found out, he can't even fully get it inside. He can. Literally just the tip that made me. Ouch. It hurts me just thinking about it.

[Dolores Catania]

What do you mean?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, at the end of the episode, she says that her vagina's broken, and I guess she had to get a surgery on her pelvic floor.

[Dolores Catania]

Where was I when this happened? I watched the whole episode.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know, but I. Every time I hear it, I do a kegel now. Aren't you doing it?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I think it's. Is it a bad thing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

A kegel is when you tighten yourself down.

[Dolores Catania]

I know what a kegel is.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was.

[Dolores Catania]

I know what it. But I'm saying, like, is the pelvic floor being lifted and tightened such a bad thing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I think if your pelvic floor is not lifted and you've had a bunch of kids, I think you pee your pants. So I think there's a medical reason why you do it, but then you have to, like, stretch out your situation afterwards.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm dying right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I can't believe you missed this.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm gonna cry.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

This is such good information.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't even know what to do with it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So if you want to stop having sex, go get your pelvic floor.

[Dolores Catania]

Stop bragging. Jen, enough. Between the ab photos and the tight vagina, I'm done with you. Go away already.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then the girls separate in two groups to fly. It's Emily, Gina, Gretchen, and Katie. And then. Oh, my gosh. Then it's Tamara, Sharon.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm tearing up. I'm crying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. She can't get up. She can't. Can't move on. Sorry.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm going to bring myself back for a minute. You don't even know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then they go along, walking along the Mississippi river, which they don't know is the Mississippi River. They go on a boat ride.

[Dolores Catania]

Leave it to housewives to frigging make themselves look stupid. Like, guys, come on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Come on you don't know where. And somebody's like, we're at the bayou. And then somebody's like, we're at somebody.

[Dolores Catania]

Just get it together. Can you give us something, Bose? I mean, look at Bose. Came onto Beverly Hills and she's a rock star. Can we have a little bit more of that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, come on. I mean, clearly I couldn't do that. I probably would have made the same error but still break the stigma.

[Dolores Catania]

How about read the sign? I'm sure there's a sign somewhere that says Mississippi River. On the river, like a big one. Are you sure?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

On your little thing that you got for the day, knowing that no one reads. Yeah. That is your itinerary. It says go to Mississippi river for a book boat ride. And I have a question. Did Gretchen just get her wisdom teeth removed or something? Because this entire scene when they're on the boat, it sounded like me. Like I was like.

[Dolores Catania]

Sometimes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I was like, what is happening here? And then I heard it later and I was like, does she have a piece of gauze in there?

[Dolores Catania]

No. This is weird. Let me just tell you something. You ever notice, like, some women get some weird lisp going on at this? Like all of a sudden, like they hear someone talk and then they want to talk like them?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. You think, is it like that kind of a thing? Which is really, for a second and I was so confused.

[Dolores Catania]

You're so bad.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was really confused. Please just tell me for one second why you had this in your mouth and while you were filming Tooth.

[Dolores Catania]

I used to work in a dental office that I actually owned. And I just want to say, like, no one talked like this after they got their wisdom teeth out. So I don't know why you think it's wisdom teeth.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I can't wait until she reaches out to me and lets me. What was in her mouth?

[Dolores Catania]

Can we ask her?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because then she went back to normal talking after the dinner.

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe she had a gum and she spit it out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What gum? With the mimosa. That's disgusting.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

If there's anything as perfectly dramatic and totally engrossing as reality tv, it might be the procedural shows on primetime TV right now.

[Commercial Announcer]

Specifically all of the shows from the One Chicago Universe. If you're a fan of one of their shows, then there's a new podcast you'll want to check out called the One Chicago Podcast from USG Audio and Wolf Entertainment. When it comes to tv, there's something so satisfying about knowing how the sausage gets made. From cheeky production choices to plot lines and the reactions of the fan base, the One Chicago Podcast is all that and more. It's the official behind the scenes look at the iconic shows from the One Chicago Universe, Chicago pd, Chicago Med, and of course, Chicago Fire.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Each episode joins host and former Chicago cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci, and he's joined by the actors, producers and writers behind the epic One Chicago Universe.

[Commercial Announcer]

To listen to the One Chicago Podcast, search for One Chicago Podcast on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's One Chicago Podcast. If you're looking for a wine that's not just delicious but also a total crowd pleaser, let me introduce you to Josh Sellars. This California wine brand has over a dozen award winning wines, from crisp Sauvignon Blancs to velvety Merlots. Josh Sellers has the perfect wine for every occasion, serving up a juicy steak at your next barbecue. Their Cabernet Sauvignon is the perfect pairing. Unwinding with friends after a long week, you can't go wrong with their Pinot Grigio. With so many delicious wines to choose from, Josh Sellers has something for everyone. Josh Sellers is a proud sponsor of two T's in a pod. Visit www.joshcellars.com teapot T E A P O D and join the wine club to get 20 off. Please drink responsibly.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Before all the algorithm fed blah and.

[Dolores Catania]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

To feel more, well, fun.

[Dolores Catania]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then they go to this dinner where just shit show after shit show happens. They're ordering turtle soup, there's a ghost, they spill over Heather.

[Dolores Catania]

Soup on Heather, of all people. You know, I'm so nice when somebody does that. Like, I want to make them feel like I did it to myself. I don't want to make the guy. Heather was not very gracious about it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She couldn't make eye contact. She was like, I mean, granted, like, give me.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, come on, did you get burnt? Like, who care? And then who said Gina was like, oh my God, it was probably such an expensive dress. Can we stop talking about her money, defining her? I'd really like that. Heather, I like you. This episode. I'm not knocking you, but I don't want. I want it to not always be about what you have and your things and why.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Why isn't there one regular human that can go, hey, are you sticky? Did it make you sticky? Do you need a wet rag? Like, do you not want me to wipe you down? Because it was an espresso martini, I think, and so it probably was sticky, but, like, where's everybody else's? Like, human nature. Like, if I got spilled all over myself instead of this awkward moment of showing Heather looking like, frazzled, which she may or may not have done the entire time and not been gracious to the guy, or she could have been like, oh my gosh, it's no big deal. And one of the women could have gone over and like, cleaned her up in a nice fashion and been like, oh, no. Are you sticky? Should we go to the bathroom? But no one does. We just get right back into fighting.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. No, you know what? It could. We could have made it funny. Somebody could have licked it off of her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So many.

[Dolores Catania]

Come on, come on. We could have done something with that. When these things happen, we need to capitalize on them. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then we get into Shannon talking about her ideal man. The first thing Heather asks is, can he be short? And immediately they pan to Emily, and Emily's like. And then she talks about Terry's lifts.

[Dolores Catania]

I wait, you know, I. I like him. I like him. He's nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think he's nice. I don't mind his height. But also, I don't think that Heather was trying to point out Shane. I think she just met. In general, Shannon is a taller. Like, if Shannon and I. People think I'm tall, and then they meet me and they're like, you are very short.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm like, you're like five, four, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

Me too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think Shannon's like, probably five, seven, five, eight. And then with heels. That's.

[Dolores Catania]

So that's always wears the big Valentino platform.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Always.

[Dolores Catania]

That's her signature.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And so I think Heather was asking because I think that's something that's come up for Heather because Heather is also tall and Terry has to wear lifts which now they say are out of business. And by random. Tam was telling me to buy these lift sneakers that have been influencing her on Instagram.

[Dolores Catania]

I bought them. Yes, I did. I love them. And I bought them for Paul.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, Paul's tall.

[Dolores Catania]

But I. I bought. No, they're very light. I. They're not cheap. They're like over $100. They're like 150 or 170. I think, whatever. It was worth it. So worth it, Teddy. I love them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then the episode ends where Heather asks Emily her favorite sex position. They kind. She likes to say it's from behind so she can watch tv. And if she could have snacks, she likes to watch.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm like, emily, you're gonna give it to them. You gotta give it to them. Like, we put it all out there. We really do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And this is where we learn the tidbit about the vaginal hole not being big enough anymore. After the surgery, could you. I get a little tattoo right above it that says, ouch. No, like.

[Dolores Catania]

Narrow opening.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, narrow crossing.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, like the. The signs that are like this, and it says, like. Or you only height. Or like when you're going under a bridge and it says the height thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's just too good. But they all managed to get along this episode as until the very end.

[Dolores Catania]

Of course. They better do some.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And this is when. Yeah, because this was a little bit of a filler episode. And then next week is when we see in the trailer that Tamara quits.

[Dolores Catania]

This is when. This is the pivotal moment of the season. This is the moment like, you know, every season, Teddy, as you know, has to have a moment.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So here's the moment. It's coming.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's coming. And it's gonna be good.

[Dolores Catania]

It's gonna be good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, Dolores, I love you. Thank you so much for joining me on Diamonds in the Rough. You guys keep tuning in. If you go to our stream, you pretty much got a pod every day and you can get mad at us all. There's no need to DM us how you feel. I'm fine about it.

[Dolores Catania]

I know you are. You've never been swayed. I mean, you're consistent. Thanks, guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was great. Thanks, guys.

[Dolores Catania]

Talking to you.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Freddie Prinze Jr.]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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