Fishing in the Same "Itchy" Pond (Southern Charm Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Fishing in the Same "Itchy" Pond (Southern Charm Recap)
Date: February 5, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp, Dolores (guest co-host)

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Episode Overview

In this lively installment, Teddi Mellencamp and Dolores dive deep into Southern Charm Season 11, Episode 10. They offer their signature mix of playful banter, Housewives-level insight, and sharp recap energy—covering evolving friendship dynamics, messy love triangles, and behind-the-scenes drama among both cast and crew. The main focus is the fallout from recent cast conflicts, shifting alliances, and some hilarious commentary on Southern life and reality TV tropes.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Clearing Up Housewives Headlines

(02:31 – 07:38)

• Dolores addresses a Real Housewives headline: Rumors swirled about Tamra Judge being disinvited from the Ultimate Girls Trip finale. Dolores sets the record straight:

  “So it wasn't like something horrible happened and I got disinvited…they thought it would be best to do that. Not because I was in trouble or she was in trouble or anything like that.” – Dolores (04:05)

• Briefly chat about the new Golden Life show with NYC OGs, likening it to The Golden Girls:

  “We're probably older than the Golden Girls when they started filming. Fun fact.” – Teddi (06:11) “Is it going to be as good as, you know, early days New York City, or is it going to be a flop?” – Dolores (06:16)

• Dolores expresses curiosity and mild skepticism about the new Housewives spinoff set in Florida, with Teddi adding her excitement for the cast’s return.

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2. Southern Charm Recap: Relationship and Friendship Turmoil

(07:52 – 15:01)

• Opening scene: Day after Austin’s birthday party; focus immediately on awkward shifting friendships and fitness routines.
• Shep and Whitner connect—contrast between Whitner’s fitness and Shep’s casual approach.
• The group discusses Craig and Austin’s deteriorating friendship:

  “The friendship with Craig and Austin, I feel like it's been over for a few seasons.” – Dolores (08:31) “They have a lot of opinions about his life. Why is he under such a glass and under so much scrutiny?” – Teddi (09:12)

• Conversation around Craig’s constant criticism from the group, exploring whether he receives an unfair amount of judgement.
• Dolores raises the lack of a sit-down between Craig and Vanita, speculating that Paige’s influence from Summer House friend group is a factor.

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3. Friendship Fallout and Double Standards

(21:02 – 35:30)

• Sally and Vanita’s friendship status: Was Sally making fun of Vanita?

  “She’s totally shitting on Vanita’s and her friendship.” – Teddi (21:21) “I thought she was just laughing at her. Like, I called Vicki sugar tits. It was something like that.” – Dolores (22:05)

• The hosts question whether editing is making Sally look worse than she is.
• Debate on double standards: When friends warn each other about problematic men but get offended if roles are reversed.

  “I can't stand double standard. I can't stand hypocrisy. I do not like it.” – Teddi (35:30)

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4. Sally, Craig, Charlie, and the “Telephone Game”

(27:04 – 36:00)

• Sally allegedly exaggerates a rumor about what Craig said to Charlie.
• Dolores dug up previous scenes, confirming Shep probably repeated something to Sally off-camera.

  “She’s spiraling because he doesn’t like her. She’s spiraling because he’s going after her now. Friend that she brought into the group.” – Teddi (31:44)

• Teddi and Dolores agree Shep likely set this chain of events in motion intentionally, questioning his motives.
• Discussion on trust, intentions, and how easily the cast inadvertently throws each other under the bus.

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5. Vignettes of Southern Living: Itchy Grass and Family Estates

(27:13 – 29:13, 38:16 – 39:35, 44:04 – 44:48)

• The cast visits Whitner’s childhood home, described as idyllic but full of “itchy grass” and “a lot of bug energy.”

  “Itchy grass, itchy grass. A child’s dream.” – Teddi (28:05) “My God, a lot of bug energy…they probably paid nothing for it at the time, right? It was, like, so beautiful to be able to grow up, like he said, like a rogue kid.” – Teddy (27:13)

• References to Jimmy Buffett being an uncle by marriage, and both hosts compare their own upbringings and celebrity-family perks.

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6. Sally’s “Love-Life Spiral” and Animal Antics

(25:38 – 27:04, 49:01 – 49:47)

• Sally acquires chickens because a guy likes them, regrets it after relationship fails.

  “Please, anybody listening? Don't ever get a dog or pet or an animal for the sake of a relationship, right? Never. Unless you have every intention of keeping that animal when you guys are done.” – Teddy (26:45)

• Sally later gets rid of the chickens—Dolores notes this was recently confirmed on another podcast.

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7. Party Dynamics, Hookups, and Humiliation

(36:24 – 41:36)

• Austin breaks up with Audrey; he claims relief rather than regret, which the hosts find cold.
• Both critique Sally for disrespecting Audrey by cozying up to Austin at the bar:

  “I don't like that Sally was disrespectful to her and.” – Teddi (37:20)

• Fragmented relationships and overlapping romantic interests; hosts highlight the theme of “fishing in the same itchy farm pond.”

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8. Final Reflections: Patterns, Settling Down, and Reality TV Life Cycles

(51:05 – 52:23)

• Craig and Sally agree not to be close anymore—Craig cites mistrust, Sally shrugs it off, moving on.

  “They're all fishing in the same itchy farm pond.” – Teddi (51:09)

• Hosts muse about whether Shep (and others) will ever settle down, likening it to George Clooney’s late-in-life marriage.

  “Men like him, like George Clooney, meet their match and then single forever. And then he married her, right?” – Dolores (51:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We're probably older than the Golden Girls when they started filming.” – Teddi (06:11)
• “There are good tv. People are excited about the new Netflix show. Members only then I can't imagine they wouldn't be.” – Teddy (06:51)
• “Please, Anybody listening? Don't ever get a dog or pet or an animal for the sake of a relationship, right? Never.” – Teddy (26:45)
• “They're all fishing in the same itchy farm pond.” – Teddi (51:09)
• “I can't stand double standard. I can't stand hypocrisy. I do not like it.” – Teddi (35:30)
• “You better hope when you decide to do that…the karma from all the girls you fucked over over the years doesn't come back to you.” – Dolores (52:00)

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Major Episode Segments with Timestamps

• 02:31 – 07:38: Housewives and franchise headlines, Ultimate Girls Trip clarifications, Golden Life spinoff.
• 07:52 – 15:01: Southern Charm recap opens; friendship fractures, Craig’s isolation.
• 21:02 – 22:20: Sally and Vanita’s rocky friendship; perceived shade and editing sleight of hand.
• 25:38 – 27:04: Animal adoption as a love tactic; comical regret.
• 27:13 – 29:13: Whitner’s Southern estate; life lessons and nostalgia.
• 36:24 – 41:36: Austin’s breakup, Sally’s young-woman behavior, empathy for Audrey.
• 51:05 – 52:23: Wrap-up thoughts; who will ever settle down.

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Takeaways

This episode is a spirited mix of reality TV analysis, relatable life advice, and Housewives-inspired drama deconstruction. Teddi and Dolores spotlight the cyclical patterns of Southern Charm’s relationships, underscore the pitfalls of reality TV friendships, and leave listeners with laughter—and maybe a little cringe—over chickens, pond bugs, and the messy quest for love in Charleston.

If you missed the episode, this summary will give you both the plot beats and the signature “Two Ts” flavor.

Transcript

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[Dolores]

Hi guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with Myself and Dolores. Today we are going to be re hi recapping Southern Charm Season 11, Episode 10. But first, we have a headline that I personally would like to address.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm afraid I don't know what it is.

[Dolores]

Well, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Crystal Minkoff weighs in on a claim that RHC Tamara Judge was disinvited from the Ultimate Road Trip finale. On her podcast, she reported that Tamara said on Jeff Lewis Live she may have been disinvited due to what happened at the Orange county stop the 80s bunkle parties, which she's referring to. The season finale took place, as you know, Dolores, at the Bluestone Manor. Tons of housewives. So listen, as you guys all know, we are filming soon.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Ultimate Girls Trip.

[Dolores]

No, Orange County.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Dolores]

So me and Shannon and Heather and a few others were invited to the very first filming of Ultimate Girls Trip. And me and Shannon did have some words and they decided. I know, right? They decided that it would be best. I think it was our production company, that we are not together, so we can save it for the re. For the upcoming season. So it wasn't like something horrible happened and I got disinvited because I was like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You weren't dissed? No, I invited.

[Dolores]

I mean, I was planning on going. I had. They had my plane tickets. I had my dress. I was all, you know, whatever. But to, you know, protect what could have been said between us and keep it for our new season, they thought it would be best to do that. Not because I was in trouble or she was in trouble or anything like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Understood.

[Dolores]

Totally understood. Totally understood.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I'm glad you cleared it up.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Okay. So lots of conversations going on about Rhode island being at the season finale for Ultimate Girls trip because nobody knows who they are. And it's just. Was. Did you think that they needed to be there? Was it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I think it was an introduction since they had all the OGs under one roof.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but the Long Housewife wasn't there.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's what I was just going to say. Minus our favorite, you know, minus you, of course. But who should have been there. But when this was planned, you were on your way there anyway. I think it was an introduction to them. Like, we're kind of introducing them to the world, but we're. I mean, it was, of course, their decision. NBC's Decision or Bravo's decision, but.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think that it was more like, um. Like kind of a nice way of them being introduced to the girls and giving them some advice. You'll see.

[Dolores]

Okay. All right. Well, that's really all the headlines we have for now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's it. What about the.

[Dolores]

Was there something else?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What about the Golden Girls?

[Dolores]

Yeah, so let's talk about that. So he did announce that the OGs of New York City are going to be on a new show based out

[Teddy Mellencamp]

of Florida, the Golden Life. Okay, Golden Life, close enough to Golden Girls for me. I'm really.

[Dolores]

That's all I could think about.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That ain't hard.

[Dolores]

I'm all, hell no. Hell, yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Come on.

[Dolores]

Might as well be called Golden Girls.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We're probably older than the Golden Girls when they started filming. Fun fact.

[Dolores]

I don't know what I. How I feel about this. I feel like, is it going to be as good as, you know, early days, New York City, or is it going to be a flop?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think that people are thirsty. People miss them.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I think they do. But here's the thing. To me, like, brav, Bravo knows how to do it when it comes to rally tv.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, these girls also know how to make a good show.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But Bravo is good tv. There are good tv.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

People are excited about the new Netflix show. Members only then I can't imagine they wouldn't be.

[Dolores]

Tried to watch that. I tried to watch it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

People love it.

[Dolores]

Oh, they did.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

People.

[Dolores]

I couldn't get through but one episode. I think one or two they were

[Teddy Mellencamp]

like at first, but because you could watch, I think it helped them that you could watch the whole thing at one time. With Netflix, they post the whole season. People couldn't stop watching it.

[Dolores]

Hmm. Well, we will see. They. They. I heard, I heard reports that possibly this year it's going to come out. So I'm just. I wanted more information. Like, is it. Is it going to be filmed? Like, yeah. Like, what does their life in Florida? Are they on a trip? Is it. I don't. I want to know more. Want to know more.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who do you think's going to fight with who? What kind of dynamics is it? Is it going to be like a housewives type of.

[Dolores]

Are they all staying in one house? Do they live out there now?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Dying to know. Dying to know.

[Dolores]

I know I'm going to have to call somebody.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

But yeah, that's. That's pretty much all the headlines. Now. Let's get on to episode 10. It's a day after Austin's birthday party. Shep and Whitner met to run. And Whitner seems like quite the fitness buff. He had already worked out. And Shep, do you think Shep works out? I don't think like Whitner. I don't think like good old wit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I don't think so.

[Dolores]

They meant. Yeah, so they met. They went on a run.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He's stretching. It's like old man. He's doing a little stretch. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Let's do a sprint down one block and call it a day for the cameras. But Chef does explain that Craig and Austin are not in a good place. Now. The friendship with Craig and Austin, I feel like it's been over for a few seasons.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I feel like it's coming to a real end.

[Dolores]

That's what I feel, too.

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[Dolores]

I mean, they. They had, like, a podcast together, and they were close. And I also feel like Craig can't win if he's with his girlfriend. Last year, he's boring because he doesn't want to do anything. He's bed early. He's gardening. He's doing all these things. And now that he's single, now they're like, oh, now you drink too much. Like, there's, like, no happy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They have a lot of opinions about his life. Why is he under such a glass and under so much scrutiny? And he's getting sick of it. I mean, we'll talk about that, you know, towards the end of this episode, but he's really getting sick, and I see it. Of people commenting on his life. Why is it always about people judgmental towards him on how he lives his life?

[Dolores]

And he does seem like a good old boy. You know what I mean? Like, just like a good guy to me. Like, he doesn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, not to the rest of the people.

[Dolores]

Oh, he's not a dude.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think the people on the show that know him better, but. Okay.

[Dolores]

Well, I don't really. I mean, he gets drunk once in a while and acts like an whatever. But I think his character is. He's a. He's a good guy, like he was saying.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So this is what caught my. Caught my ear when his friends that even are judgmental to him call him, like, this hopeless romantic. I'm using those words. They're like, he just wants to be in love, and he just. Well, how come I'm hearing a different story from the girls in the house? They hate him. He's going to fuck you over.

[Dolores]

Well, I'm still.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Friendships breaking up over. Who's warning the other one about Craig? Now there's two friendships breaking up over. Fighting over stay away from Craig.

[Dolores]

I'm very disappointed that we have never gotten a sit down with Craig and Vanita. It makes zero sense to me. I don't know what's going on with the producers here, but we're on episode, what, 10 or 11 or something like that? Like, sit down. I want to hear why she hates him so much. I think it has something to do with she's Friends with Paige.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, that could be those girls, those summer house friend group. Sierra, Paige, Amanda. They ride hard. Lindsay. Am I forgetting anybody? They ride freaking hard for each other, those girls. And I love that about them. Maybe it's a new generation of not tearing each other down like an animal.

[Dolores]

Well, yeah, the thing is, is, like, when she talks about Craig, it's hate.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's such a visceral hate.

[Dolores]

But I was just going to say that could be.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It could be because of Paige. But listen, Paige is doing just fine.

[Dolores]

Yeah. She's keeping to herself. She's not talking about the show she's gone on. She's sitting down with Martha Stewart.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's doing so well. She left Summer House and, you know, she seems to be in love and traveling abroad with the family in Italy.

[Dolores]

And yes. Now I think the relationship between Austin and Madison is really cute because they used to be.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It is like a brother, sister. Yeah, that's. I know. Oh, God, here we go again.

[Dolores]

Well, you have that with.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Dolores]

Frank. Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Dolores]

And like, I'd rather eat dirt and worms than sit with my ex.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, some people feel like that about their exes and some people don't. It's. It depends on, you know, But, I mean, I can understand why you feel that way.

[Dolores]

Yeah, exactly. So he tells Madison about the breakup with the girl. Something must have happened that. Remember how we were left on a cliffhanger two episodes ago?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She never came back. That's why they never showed them talking.

[Dolores]

But they were talking like they were sitting down. And that's how it ended. Like, why were cameras not on them? Why didn't we. Like, something must have happened. I think we're going to hear about it at the reunion. I bet you anything. Because it doesn't make any sense. And then the next time we see him, he's like, oh, I told her it was over.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right. So then maybe whatever it was that. I don't know what it is that. Because sometimes when somebody exits the. The chat here or the show or whatever it is, they. They make it like, don't put. Don't talk about me anymore. I'm. When I let. Like when she leaves, she's not on the payroll.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's not signing off on the next episode.

[Dolores]

I doubt she was on any payroll. I bet she was not on any payroll. She probably was just a.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So she's not signing off on them talking about her moving forward? Does she have to sign off on every single episode?

[Dolores]

No, I think that she signs a

[Teddy Mellencamp]

release for the season.

[Dolores]

First day for the season.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Well, then they should be talking about her. We need more.

[Dolores]

We got a little bit just that he called it off and then he also called it off with Craig because he says that they're done. They're not going to be friends. He doesn't care about him anymore and it's just over and did something that bad happen? I mean, I know they've been bickering kind of all season, but I think

[Teddy Mellencamp]

it's a culmination of things.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Listen, everything has a breaking point.

[Dolores]

Do you think Craig's like different off camera? Is that what it is? And we're just not completely seeing it because Danita doesn't like him. You don't?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think. I think people don't like him for different reasons. I think he's held to a higher standard. Like if somebody else gets in a fight and they say horrible things to each other, when Craig says it, they're like more mad about it. I feel like that's just what I feel.

[Dolores]

I live that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Does that make sense to you, what I'm saying? It's just kind of what I see. Like he's on my life pedestal that when he does something it means more than and it's worse than when the next person does it. It's not okay when he gets drunk. It's not okay when he says something about somebody, you know. Yeah, that's just what we're seeing, guys.

[Dolores]

That maybe it's different.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe it's the edit.

[Dolores]

Exactly.

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

So Sally and Molly are getting massages.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I want to go to a head spa. Someone DM me. Tell me where there's a head spot in time.

[Dolores]

Do you have hair extensions?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So you could get anything with hair

[Dolores]

extensions, but they, like, massage your head and stuff. Like, even rarely when I get a massage. In fact, I'm getting one in San Francisco when we go this on Thursday or Friday. I can't remember. I don't want my head massage because of my hair extensions. I feel like it's going to rip my hair up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you have the weft or do you have.

[Dolores]

I have a weft.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. It's hard. No, it shouldn't. It shouldn't. It shouldn't do that. It looks. I mean, guess what? Those girls have hair extensions, too.

[Dolores]

It looks so amazing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God.

[Dolores]

So relaxing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I went into an Asian spa. It said it was a head spa, so I went in and.

[Dolores]

Did you get head?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, but I think the person that I knew there was getting it and it was, like, embarrassing because, like, there's no reason a guy should be in a head spa and.

[Dolores]

Oh, my God. So freaking every reason why a guy should be in a head.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was so weird. It was so weird. He was like, oh, hey. I'm like, oh, my God. Hey. Yeah,

[Dolores]

I'm good.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We didn't know what to say to each other. We just looked at each other like. And I was like, do you have a menu? I ran out.

[Dolores]

That's funny. So they're getting their head massaged, and Sally admits that she and Vanita have barely spoken. But she also admitted that Vanita, like, text or something. I can't remember what it was. It was something really cute.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So was she making fun of it?

[Dolores]

Like, I don't think she's making fun of it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's totally shitting on Vanitas and hers Friendship.

[Dolores]

No, no, listen, I thought they were okay. I knew things weren't perfect, but I think after she, you know, the thing with her and Craig was done, whatever it was, I thought that they were in a good place.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I didn't get that vibe when. When Sally was in the car, kind of like going off on their friendship. Did you not watch that part? Did you go to the bathroom?

[Dolores]

We're gonna get there. We have.

[Sixth Bureau Narrator]

I'm just saying.

[Dolores]

I know. I know there's a lot.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I kind of felt that when they were getting their head massage, when she. She said, oh, Bonita, text me this. And then Molly was like, oh, yeah, you just call each other that. But I kind of felt like almost like Sally was kind of making fun of it, but I didn't.

[Dolores]

I thought she was just laughing at her. Like, I called Vicki sugar tits. It was something like that. Like, hey, sugar tits, I miss you. I think it was just something like that. Like, she's like, we haven't really talked. But she did text me and said. And she chuckled, but I didn't take it as she was making fun of her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I took it like that. And then I. I kind of felt even more like that when we see later on what we're going to talk about.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but she was blaming Vanita as the sole reason they're having issues with the other girls. I think that, like, that's maybe a bit much. I don't think it's completely Vanita's fault that she's having issues. Sally's having issues with the other girls.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think it's Vanita's fault at all that she's having issues with the other girls. It's because Sally sometimes, I think, crosses a line with guys and friends and things like that.

[Dolores]

Well, the one thing about Benita, she was very forward in how she spoke to Sally in the very beginning because of her hate for Craig. So in the very beginning, even her mom said, like, that's not a friend. You're not being a friend. So she did straighten out after that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

When you're talking to a friend and they're falling for a guy that you could see through, and we've all been there. Okay? We've been on both ends, both. All of us. We've been the friend that sees through the guy that our friend's in love with, and we're trying to warn them about, and we've been the friend that is being warned. So there's. Everything is in presentation. But at certain times, if you really care about that Person, you feel like you have to be aggressive because it's not getting through to them. It's not like you're being aggressive to put them down. You're not being aggressive to be an asshole. But the one thing that she said, Vanita, that I didn't like was, don't call me when you fall on your face.

[Dolores]

Right, Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And that's off limits.

[Dolores]

And then got mad at her when she didn't call her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right, right. So I get that. I mean.

[Dolores]

I mean, we saw flashbacks of Anita being a little bit mean to some of the girls. So it's not like she was talking about Molly's vaginal rejuvenation. Molly shared it with Venita off camera, I believe. Off camera.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, that's wrong then. That's really wrong.

[Dolores]

That's wrong. So I think they've all done some shitty things to each other.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know what? Yeah, you're right.

[Dolores]

But I do think, like, yes, Sally's being a little much in this episode, but I also think. I think it's all on purpose in the editing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

See, you think she's getting a bad edit.

[Dolores]

I do. You?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Absolutely.

[Dolores]

Because this is what I see. So Sally had feelings for Craig, and they were hanging out and doing things together, and she openly admitted, hey, I have feelings for you. And. And he's like, no, it's not happening. Right, Right. So, of course. Do you think that she's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I want to ask your opinion. Do you think that Craig led her on?

[Dolores]

We don't know for sure.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But from what you see, from. From the information you've been given, did Craig lead her on?

[Dolores]

I don't think so. I think if you're. Yeah. I mean, one can say, because we did not see it. The only thing we have to go off of is a text message and being in the Jacuzzi until 4 in the morning. Well, that's it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He was lonely. He was wanted company, and she was there for different reasons. And that's it.

[Dolores]

But we have all seen Sally express how badly she wants to be married and have kids. Badly. So badly that now she has her eye on Austin.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She had her eye on Austin because, remember on the beach, Madison warned Audrey. She said, yeah, he, you know, he's got his eye on her. These girls are very open. They just rat everybody out. They don't care.

[Dolores]

Right. So we see Sally with her chickens, and she's like, what the.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why'd I do this?

[Dolores]

Stupid. The things. Like, the things we do because we're talking to a guy we like and he's like, I like chickens. It's like, do you like baseball? I like baseball, too. You know, it's like, chickens. I want chicken.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I want chickens. And then when I find out I don't. That you don't like me, I'm gonna get rid of them.

[Dolores]

Right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Popcorn. Where did Popcorn go? Popcorn's gone.

[Dolores]

I don't know. I didn't know you had to have chickens inside the house. Like, couldn't you've gotten ones a little bit older so they can be in the backyard in their coop pumping out eggs all day long?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. I don't know. Please, Anybody listening? Don't ever get a dog or pet or an animal for the sake of a relationship, right? Never. Unless you have every intention of keeping that animal when you guys are done. If you are ever done.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, let's talk. As they are all in cars going to Whitner's family estate. In Sally's car, she tells.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What a beautiful way to grow up. By the way, I know this. This estate, they probably paid nothing for it at the time, right? It was, like, so beautiful to be able to grow up, like he said, like a rogue kid. I grew up and I just played in the lake like Mowgli from Jungle Book. Yeah, but what a beautiful life.

[Dolores]

See, that's the life.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Beautiful, normal childhood with two normal parents getting along in their kitchen. At this age, I'm like, that's what my life. Let's not look.

[Dolores]

That's what I want. I want, after all is said and done and I am retired, I want to be somewhere with property and a lake and all the things. That's why I like Big Bear. I like it so beautiful. Quick two hours, get there, spend a week, go home.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Itchy grass, itchy grass. A child's dream.

[Dolores]

Absolutely.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A lot of bugs, though. I was feeling.

[Dolores]

My God, a lot of bug energy. Was it Craig that kept, like, swatting, like, I'm like, oh, what is going. You're the only one doing that. Dude, take a shower.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What is going on around with all those ponds around?

[Dolores]

Mosquito. Crazy big cesspool.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Cesspool of bugs. But listen, hey, I mean, I guess you get used to something like that, but what a cute. The cabins were decorated. I'm telling you, the southern.

[Dolores]

It was like a compound.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The southern charm of the homes are amazing. Rodrigo, I want you to decorate from.

[Dolores]

Let me just tell you. I went on Redfin last night and started looking up houses in that area just to see, because I love browsing through, like, floor plans and all that. Stuff to see how people are decorated, the houses, all that stuff. And I just. I went down like a rabbit hole for an hour. It's not cheap. It's not cheap.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. Rodrigo, I want you to come and decorate my house in. In North Halden.

[Dolores]

Oh, we should have had him on today. So let's. Let's talk about Sally. In the car. She tells Charlie that Craig has been going around telling everyone that Charlie is going to fall in love with him. And that's an exaggeration of what was actually said. I had to go back and watch last week's episode.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's lying.

[Dolores]

Well, not completely. So I think that one.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Tell us what you went back and look, 100%.

[Dolores]

Shep told her something. Because if you remember correctly, they had a conversation at. Before the fight started at Austin's birthday party there. Four of them were sitting there at that restaurant.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And they asked him about Charlie. What's going on? Are you hitting it? Da, da, da. And then he says, I don't want Charlie to drop. Drop her guard and then realize I don't like her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then.

[Dolores]

Okay, let me tell you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I hope you don't drop your guard, because you look at her like you're really into her.

[Dolores]

So Shep was kind of annoyed with that, and he said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Well, what if she doesn't like you? Like, why are you so sure of yourself?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Exactly.

[Dolores]

It was a very arrogant, arrogant thing to say.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think they like Craig that much.

[Dolores]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

As friends. So as a person, 100.

[Dolores]

I agree. So what I think happened was Shep told Sally. He told her. 100. He told her that. Because how would she know? It was just an exaggerated version.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What happened to bro code, guys?

[Dolores]

I'm just saying, like, they don't like Craig.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They don't. They just don't. So they're hard on him.

[Dolores]

Yes. So, yes, you have Sally. That is a little bit bitter because Craig doesn't like her and he likes Charlie, who's one of her best friends. Then she hears that Craig is saying that she's a psycho and all these things, and now she's hearing that, you know, Craig's saying, like, oh, well, she falls in love with me. Like, I don't want to hurt her. Whatever. So I'm hearing all these things. I get it. Maybe she didn't handle it the best way. Maybe she should have just said, hey, listen, this is what I heard and take it for what it is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But this is coming from your eyes. Like, Shep, like, you don't do. And first of all, you're talking to Sally. She's not trustworthy to keep her mouth shut. She's spiraling.

[Dolores]

Well, either Shep.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I know. She's spiraling because he doesn't like her. She's spiraling because he's going after her now. Friend that she brought into the group. Right. And you think if you tell her that, she's not going to go ham with that. Are you crazy? Do you really want to. Do you really want to screw Craig? Because that's exactly what you did.

[Dolores]

Well, Shep is very smart, and I feel like he knew what he was doing. He told her, obviously, off camera.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why does he want camera? Wait, does he want to bang Sally?

[Dolores]

I don't know. I don't think she's probably the only one he hasn't gone after. I don't know. Maybe he has.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why are you telling a girl that about your boy that you know has just been described as the tornado?

[Dolores]

Well, right. And then, of course, later on, Shep's like, I never said that. I never said. Come on. How did she hear it then?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did he say he didn't say it or when Craig went.

[Dolores]

He said he didn't say it. He said he didn't say it. We can't trust her. We can't trust her. And that's when I say scenes like that can control the audience. If you have. Yes. If you have. In every confessional. Oh, Sally's, you know, she's. She's jealous, she's crazy, she's unhinged. And then you don't show any. Like, they could have easily showed a flashback of Craig saying that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He said it on camera. He did.

[Dolores]

He said it on camera at that lunch or that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But he didn't say it the way she repeated it.

[Dolores]

No, it was. It was repeated differently. And who knows how Shep repeated it to her. But that would have helped her. That would have proven. Oh, yeah, he did. So she's not lying. So I just feel like there's a lot of things.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think anyone thinks she's lying. But is she really telling her the intention behind it is to protect her or to stick it to her? I think she said it matters if someone tells me something somebody said about me. I love you forever.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I think it's kind of a situation where if I can't have him, you're not going to have him either.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like. Yeah, I don't think he really likes you.

[Dolores]

I think your question Is like. Is her intentions good?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but I mean, does it matter?

[Dolores]

No, I think she just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Her intentions can't be good. This girl just. Just blocked her with Craig that she had a chance. He didn't like her anyway.

[Dolores]

Right. And then you have Vanita and Sally now, who don't like Craig anymore. So now it's all Craig's fault. And. Oh, my God.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you think Vanita and Sally are gonna, like, rebond over their. Their hate for Craig? Maybe something good that's like the glasses have fall. Something good will come out of it. Maybe they could rekindle their friendship. But I feel like, again, I think Sally's hard on Vanita.

[Dolores]

I think Vanita was hard on Sally, too, in the very beginning.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She was hard on her in the very beginning how she was trying to, like, get her to not like Craig. She wasn't wrong, though. And I think her intention behind it was sincere.

[Dolores]

I think they hold each other accountable in a way that friends should because last year, Sally was hard on Vanita with that guy that she was dating, J.T.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

okay, but then why would Sally get mad at Vanita for doing the same thing? And why would Sally do the same thing to Charlie that she got mad at Vanita for?

[Dolores]

So they're all three guilty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Double standards.

[Dolores]

Yeah. The only one that hasn't done it yet is Charlie. She hasn't done that to any of the girls. But Vanita's done it to Sally, Sally's done to Vanita, now Sally's doing it to Charlie. So they're all guilty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I have no problem with what they're doing for each other as far as really trying to protect them from getting hurt because of what they see. Okay. What I have a problem with is when they get mad at the other person for doing the same thing. I can't stand double standard. I can't stand hypocrisy. I do not like it. I don't either. And it happens so much in this world. We've talked about it, right?

[Dolores]

And I don't like the whole divide and conquer. Like, if I don't like somebody. Well, you can't like them. And let me tell you why.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Fuck that game.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't play that game. Call me what you want. Call me Switzerland. Call me whatever you want. I don't like that.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm just.

[Dolores]

So Austin ran. So in the other car, we have Austin, who's ranting to Vanita and Rod about his frustration with Craig. Austin reveals that he broke up with Audrey. There was, like, dead silence. He doesn't want to make it a topic of the trip. Okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know what sucked, though? When he was sitting down with Rodrigo by the lake, and I thought he was gonna say, oh, you know, maybe I'm wrong. He's like, I can't help but think about her. Okay. And then I thought he was gonna say, wow, I think I fucked up. Because you want every. Every girl wants every guy to be looking in the mirror saying, oh, I just fucked up. But what does he say? Oh, I'm relieved. I'm like, can't we give this girl something? Like, she got so, like, she was stupid for him.

[Dolores]

Poor Audrey. I feel sorry. I mean, on national tv, Audrey's pretty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She'll do just fine, and every single one of his friends will want to bang her.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But he, like, totally disrespected her on national tv. He. You could tell he wasn't into her. He was stringing her along, you know, he knew at a certain point, I think something happened that night because we did not see what happened between Austin and Audrey when the cameras went down. We didn't see it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't like how Sally treated her as a girlfriend. I don't like that Sally was disrespectful to her and.

[Dolores]

Oh, by bellying up with Austin at the bar. Yeah, yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I, I'm sorry. I, I, I don't like that that Sally did that.

[Dolores]

I would have went right up to them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She walked past them.

[Dolores]

She walked past him. I would have went right up to them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then she kind of giggled about it. You know, somebody. That's a shitty feeling for a girl to feel that way, especially being the girl in the group, but not a part of the group.

[Dolores]

I'd fucking go over there and rip his balls off. But that's just me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let me tell you, back in the 80s, somebody would have been hurt. Both of them would have been getting their ass beat. Yeah, it would have been, you know, no holds barred. I'd say the 90s. I was a little young still in the 80s. I'd say the 90s. You would have been feeling it the next day.

[Dolores]

Oh, yeah. So then Whitner is driving Shep and Craig to the family estate, Itchy Grass Farm. And then we get a little, like, history of how, you know, they're a big family in the community, that Whitner's uncle was Jimmy Buffett, who was married to one of his aunts.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was thinking of myself when he said they got a lot of perks because the aunt was married to Jimmy Buffett.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I'm like, that aunt in my house.

[Dolores]

Are you family?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm, I'm at juju. Like, little Louis, text me this morning. He goes, juju, do you have any inside raising canes? And I'm like, no, but I could bring you there if you want. And then my niece is calling me for her wedding and I'm getting her all these connections for her wedding. Nothing's for, you know, I'll have to post and do all these things.

[Dolores]

Celebrity and the, in the family and,

[Teddy Mellencamp]

and you know, I always dated the guys that were like, powerful. You know, they were the bosses. You know, my family always definitely benefited more from the people I dated than even I did. So, yes, I'm, I'm that. I'm the aunt that was married to Jimmy Buffett. So I totally love that part of it.

[Jo Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology and natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Sixth Bureau Narrator]

The Irish traveler said when I was

[Dolores]

16, you're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jo Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius, like are misunderstood a sun and Venus in a corner. Aquarius in her seventh house, spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Dolores]

He really has taught me to embrace

[Teddy Mellencamp]

people sleeping in different rooms, on different

[Dolores]

houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jo Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life. This episode is a must. Listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Mind Games Narrator]

What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Dolores]

When you look at your car, you're

[Ben Higgins]

gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Special Agent Riegel]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexual, sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Jo Winterstein]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Nlp, AKA Neuro linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of NLP its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp might actually work.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is wild.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul, A place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss. That changes you, you, purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Special Agent Riegel]

China's Ministry of State security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special agent Bradley Hall.

[Sixth Bureau Narrator]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him, but the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth bureau podcast?

[Special Agent Riegel]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn.

[Ben Higgins]

No one had ever seen anything like that.

[Dolores]

It was unbelievable.

[Special Agent Riegel]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Sixth Bureau Narrator]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dolores]

We get to meet Whitner's adorable parents. They're so cute. And the mom's like, wow, you guys are tall. And when Shep's standing there and he's like, austin's an inch taller than me, six foot five. I did not realize. I knew they were tall. I had no idea they were that tall.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know, in person, when we get to see them every two years at bravo con or if we do an event with them or something. Yeah, I've done, like, bravo, bravo, bravo. You know? Yeah. And I want to say they're really lovely.

[Dolores]

Lovely. Yeah. They're so nice. So nice.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They used to be a lot more banged up. Like, they used to show up to BravoCon the next morning. Like wrinkled shit shirts, messy hair.

[Dolores]

Party.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They party and. But they're nice people. They're. They're the south. They're boys from the South. They're still gentlemen at the end of the day that I could see. Even on their worst of days from where I come from. Oh. Still really nice.

[Dolores]

Yeah, exactly. So they're out by the pool house. They're swimming. Sally, Venita. Make amends. So it looks like they're good, and they start bonding over their hate. Or Craig. Whatever it takes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let's bond over our hate for. Right. But that doesn't last. Bonding over your hate for someone in a friendship is on my show. Like people. Oh. On my show, in relation that work out in the world. In. In this crazy world, people that bond over their hate for someone else is never a real friendship.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So Madison comes. She's very, very pregnant. She doesn't know if she likes it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I know my thing, you know,

[Dolores]

I don't know how she could do it pregnant.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I looked like that, but then when I became not pregnant, I did not look like she looks now. So I'm upset about that.

[Dolores]

She looks great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She bounces back.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I think she holds a lot of fluid. You know how some people hold a lot of flu in their pregnancy?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but her skin is still good when she's done. You know, when after pregnancy, it just takes. Just wreaks habit on your body. If you're not. If you're not fit before you get pregnant, you're gonna pay.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So Sally's asking everyone about Austin's dating status, and Madison finally breaks the news to her, and she's like. She.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's like, I'm excited.

[Dolores]

And she was all excited. Fair game. Then Charlie tells Craig what she heard, and he denies it and says Sally is jealous. I don't know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then he gets mad.

[Dolores]

He does get mad. But here's the thing. Does he not remember what he did say? Like, could it have been like, he totally forgot because they were all drinking? Like you did say.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He's not admitting it. He's not going to admit it to her.

[Dolores]

Like, how could they not figure out that it's an exaggerated version of what was said at that dinner?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What he should have said was what he said. He said, well, actually, this is what I said. I would have thought more of him if he Repeated to her what he said and told her what he meant by it. If I had to take it, I'd say he's not trusting himself. He's still that wounded bird.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And he's just not trusting himself. But, you know, I think he likes her, and she definitely likes him.

[Dolores]

Wait, they're not together, right? No, no.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But he's had a girlfriend for a

[Dolores]

long time now, Right? Right, Right. Huh.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Somebody got him.

[Dolores]

So, Craig. Craig and Sally have a little talk. Craig says, you're not going to be as close. We're just not. We're not going to be as close anymore because I can't trust you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So Sally's not really caring because she has somebody else's hot tub. She could go in now. Right.

[Dolores]

She's like, whatever. I don't care. She's like, you guys are weird. And she just kind of walks away.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I don't care. I'm gonna get rid of my chickens and I'm gonna start on the next one.

[Dolores]

By the way, she did get rid of her chickens. They are gone. It was on a podcast or something,

[Teddy Mellencamp]

so I hope they went to a nice home.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I hope so, too. Whitner shows everyone to their cabins. Austin and Rod hang out on their personal deck. And Austin's thinking about Audrey. Like, we were talking earlier. Craig approaches Shep about what Sally said. Shep says, no one is more respectful of females than Craig.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're trying to do damage control.

[Dolores]

But he even said, like, he's like, I'm a caveman. Like, me want you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Get over here.

[Dolores]

Like. And Craig's like, even when he was last week talking about dating, the way he thinks is a little off. He's like, well, should I just start dating her? What if I don't like her?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But didn't he say.

[Dolores]

It's like, well, you have to figure it out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're the. Wait, what. What are we talking about here? He's like, he said to Charlie when they were having their oysters, you're the first girl I ever went on a date with that I didn't hook up with first. What?

[Dolores]

What? That's right. Stupid thing to say.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's the gentleman we're talking about. What are we comparing this to?

[Dolores]

I know, I know. So, yeah. So they're talking, and Craig's like. I mean, Shep's like, no, I didn't say anything. I don't know what you're talking about. Then it's switches to, Sally's becoming a tornado. Sally is an agent of chaos. Sally's this. Sally's. That.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why? Because she repeated what she heard from his best friend.

[Dolores]

Oh, yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay. She's not wrong for that.

[Dolores]

She's not. I mean, was it exaggerated? But who knows what Shep told her? Shep could have said those exact words. We don't know. We don't have any footage of it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But repeating that is coming between two friends. Did she have to repeat where she heard it from?

[Dolores]

No, she didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You didn't have to repeat it.

[Dolores]

Just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She should have just went to her friend and said, listen, this is what he's saying. I'm not gonna tell you where it came from. It doesn't matter where it came from. I'm not lying. Just so you know.

[Dolores]

Do you think she made.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But now she made herself? Like, now no one's gonna tell her anything.

[Dolores]

Right. But do you think that she made such a big deal about it and now people are like, oh, my God, she's crazy. She's crazy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, no, it was said. It was repeated to her, and she told her friend. How's that crazy?

[Dolores]

I know. I'm just. I haven't seen what people are saying about it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But she didn't have to.

[Dolores]

Like, it's so funny. Cause some people will take it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Girl under the bus. Jersey isn't so quick to do that. If you don't have to say who said it. Don't. Don't give up your source.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She could have got a lot more information moving forward with Charlie. And then Charlie went and told what? I don't know.

[Dolores]

Well, Charlie's not believing Sally. Charlie's not believing Sally. She's going to believe Craig.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Dolores]

And that's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, you know what? If Sally was in Charlie's shoes, she'd do the same as she did.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Well, that's it. That's how it ends.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They're all fishing in the same itchy farm pond.

[Dolores]

Yes. I mean, they talked about crabs. Was it last episode. And I. I'm like, that's all I can think of. These guys are just bouncing from one. One cast member to the other.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

All right, well, I. I mean, I enjoy that part of it. So I'm just saying, like, because I. I'm so. It's so foreign to me.

[Dolores]

I know they're not, like, in their 20s. I mean, she's 45 years old.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's. That's like. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Do you think he'll ever settle down? You think he'll ever have kids?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's always that one that they meet. They meet their match.

[Dolores]

Men like him, like George Clooney meet

[Teddy Mellencamp]

their match and then single forever.

[Dolores]

And then he married her, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then, you know, and then there's the part where I always say guys in their, like late 50s, 60s start to think about who they're gonna die with. They don't wanna die alone, right? So then they just settle with whoever's there and that's, no, not always the best person. You better hope when you decide to do that that that the karma from all the girls you fucked over over the years doesn't come back to you. And that one person that now is going to be standing over you in your deathbed.

[Dolores]

So true. So true. But that's it for today, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see you next week with next episode of Southern Charm.

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[Dolores]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Jo Winterstein]

Hi, it's Jill Interestein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible possible.

[Dolores]

Dance with the change, dance with the breakdowns.

[Jo Winterstein]

The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Just so. I'm like delusionally proud of my chart.

[Jo Winterstein]

Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is special agent Regal, Special agent Bradley Hall.

[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Sixth Bureau Narrator]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dolores]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

[Sixth Bureau Narrator]

I was a monster.

[Dolores]

Listen to Burden of Guilt, Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

[Teddy Mellencamp]

wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.

[Jo Winterstein]

Guaranteed Human.