← Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
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Teddi Mellencamp
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Tamra Judge
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Sutton Stracke
Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.
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Tamra Judge
Welcome back to Two T's in Pod with myself, Tamara Judge and Dolores. We are going to recap. Beverly Hills Season 14 Episode 16 we are getting to the end of Beverly Hills. I don't sure how many more episodes they have.
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Sutton Stracke
1. Next week's the finale.
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Tamra Judge
Oh, my gosh.
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Sutton Stracke
Yes. Yes.
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Tamra Judge
That seemed like it went by really fast. Really?
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Sutton Stracke
Yeah. Well, when you're having a good time, things go by fast.
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Tamra Judge
I know. So I am a little bit out of it. So I'm going to need your extra energy, Dolores.
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Sutton Stracke
Oh, you got it. I'm not out of bed. I laid in bed a little later today, missed the gym. I really got upset with myself because then I went on Teddy's Instagram and she was on the treadmill.
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Tamra Judge
I know, I know. She had her first radiation yesterday and then she was doing the treadmill. That girl. Oh, so inspiring.
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Sutton Stracke
Amazing. So inspiring. So I'm going to the gym at 4 because she was on the treadmill. Just so you know.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah.
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Sutton Stracke
After I just ate some girl Scout cookies for breakfast.
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Tamra Judge
Oh, my God. Okay, so it starts out with Kyle and Garcelle have the same dress on. Garcelle has called Kyle's style hideous in the past, but now she's eating those words. Those are her words. Since they are twinning. I mean, now, I'm no fashionista, but I feel like Garcelle has more misses than hits herself. And I think Kyle. I feel like Kyle's the one that's always so dressed up with, you know, next to Dori, she's got some.
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Sutton Stracke
Yeah, I don't mind either one of their style, to be honest, but I don't think anybody should ever knock somebody else's style, really, because, you know, we have to really try to figure it out so many times at one point we're going to miss.
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Tamra Judge
Right. I agree with that completely. Um, everybody has their own individual style, and everyone thinks, like, oh, this is great, or whatever. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Whatever. But who are we to say?
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Sutton Stracke
That's what I'm saying it. To each his own. I. I don't like to knock somebody else's outfit.
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Tamra Judge
I like. Like, sometimes I'll have a $2,000 dress on. Other times I'll have a $70 dress on. Like, I don't care.
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Sutton Stracke
Like, I do the same. Yeah.
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Tamra Judge
And it doesn't have to be expensive to be cute.
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Sutton Stracke
No, it. No, it doesn't. And, you know, you could go either way, so. And like I said, there's times I'm sure I didn't have the best on, and it could have been better. And there's gonna be a time, so you probably shouldn't talk about somebody else's stuff.
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Tamra Judge
There was a time that I went to the Reality Awards, and I had to have, like, more of a. I was presenting more of a fuller gown. I literally bought a dress off of Lulu's, which was, like, $70, and then it was part of me. It's like, should I wear this? Should I not wear. I'm wearing it. I don't care. And I loved it. Absolutely loved it.
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Sutton Stracke
I did the same thing at BravoCon. Watch what happens live. I had a dress I got off of Instagram for, like, $150. It was all rhinestones, but it was very sheer, and it was one of my best looks. It's my screensaver. I mean, it's my. Whatever. For my contact.
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Tamra Judge
Oh, for your phone.
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Sutton Stracke
For my contact. Yeah.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah. So you never know. So don't be knocking style. I mean, sometimes it could be a huge miss, and you're like, oh, girl, you might. Did you not have a mirror that day?
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Sutton Stracke
I'm not gonna say that. I. I don't think I ever start the conversation of, did you see what she was wearing? But when somebody calls me and starts the conversation with that, I definitely will weigh in at that point.
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Tamra Judge
Yes, yes, yes. So Bose. Yes. Bose talks about her outdoor shower in her hotel room. Dorit brings up how she doesn't even, like, to be naked around her hus. Jennifer says she had a scene on Broadway where she was frontal nude. She said she also used to wake up. She wakes up at 5am to put makeup on so she looks good when she wakes up next to her boyfriend. What? Where do you stand with walking around the house naked?
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Sutton Stracke
I never used to do that but now that I live with Paul, I will do that. I don't care. And you know, I learned one thing. Nobody's more naked than Margaret Joseph's. So when I we were on our first cast trip, Margaret and I were just getting to together. Like it was in I think it was not Nashville. It was on some farm. I forget where it was. And she had a full conversation with me but naked. And I was like more than once that trip. And I was like okay. And I've like adopted that now. I like don't. I'm not in front of my glam team. I'm naked in front of people. Like I change. I don't, I don't care. I don't. I wasn't raised like that.
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Tamra Judge
Teddy's my friend that she'll totally get naked. Like the other day I saw her, she's in her closet. I was talking, she's totally naked walking around and I am not that person.
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Sutton Stracke
Really.
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Tamra Judge
No, no. I will. If my glam's here and I need to get changed, I'll go in the bathroom and get changed. I mean walking around my bedroom naked, whatever, that's no big deal. But I still have a daughter in the house so it's not like I'm going to be walking nake the house.
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Sutton Stracke
If I had my kids home, I wouldn't be walking around naked. Absolutely not.
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Tamra Judge
I don't think that I'm fully comfortable, especially now that I'm getting older. I'm like, oh, the skin is sagging and the you know, I'm like I.
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Sutton Stracke
Had to give up on that. Honestly, at some point you have to let it go.
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Tamra Judge
I know.
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Sutton Stracke
To God.
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Tamra Judge
I know.
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Sutton Stracke
Let go and let God. It is what it is.
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Tamra Judge
So I'm not necessarily that person. But I mean it takes really confidence too to do that. Just be like whatever. Dorit tells Sutton that she's been mean spirited to her. Sutton says to not put this just on her. Dorit says they should be able to talk it out. But Sutton rejects the conversation and then takes things lower. Sutton says she will not be beaten with a stick. Drake says she can't make herself dramatic.
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Sutton Stracke
Come to Jersey, Come to Jersey and you'll see what it's like to get beat.
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Tamra Judge
Sutton tells her to not say what she can or cannot do. Sutton is very activated in on this.
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Sutton Stracke
Boat ride when it comes to Dori. She gets crazed. Dori gets under her skin like nobody's business. It is like she just can't even handle it. So I think I cannot be on anyone's team here because not because I'm Switzerland, because they're both wrong. That's why. You know, I took the side of Portia the other day. I have to now remind people when I take a side. So I hate to do this, but I am not taking a side on this because they both are wrong to each other. I kind of get that people don't really like Dory on this cast.
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Tamra Judge
You think? Yeah. I'm wondering. I don't know. I mean, Bravo's really made Dorit the star of this season. Like she's doing. She's doing all these commercials, you know, like Bravo. She's doing all she's doing. She did one with Dorinda. She did. I didn't see that one.
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Sutton Stracke
I saw. I think I saw with Dorinda or stuff. She did. I feel like it was Dorinda. Durin's has gotten a few things too, but. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess she's not poor. Eat. She's getting me. She's making money. Well, that's very kind of Bravo.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah.
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Sutton Stracke
Knowing that she may need it. Maybe we all need it.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah, we all need it. Exactly. Sutton says that she said something at the caviar party that didn't feel herself. She apologizes sincerely. And she's referring to that wallet is big comment.
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Sutton Stracke
Yeah. The fed line that she blurted out in the middle of nothing. Like, go be with someone whose wallet is. Matches yours or some shit.
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Tamra Judge
Right. But I feel like that is Sutton. Like, she really does base things her money around. And my God, if I got that kind of money, I would too.
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Sutton Stracke
You know what? If that's her thing, then go. Go ahead. I mean, that doesn't faze me. No, that doesn't faze me. I don't think it was by a lot of things. A lot of things.
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Tamra Judge
A lot of things. Things that are really necessary.
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Sutton Stracke
Makes things a little easier. Sometimes it makes it harder, but. Sure does.
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Tamra Judge
Oh, it gives you freedom for sure. And it makes life easier because you. You have one less struggle in your life. And money struggles are. Are bad. Those are. That's where, you know, that's where I get a really soft spot. My entire life. I have. If I know somebody doesn't have something. I'll give them something. Like, I've given people jewelry. You know, I mean, like, even growing up in high school, someone be like, oh, I really like your necklace. I wish I could afford. I'm like, here, here you go. Like, to a fault.
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Sutton Stracke
No, see, that's the side of you, Tamra, that I wish people got to see more of.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah.
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Sutton Stracke
To be honest. And I. And I see that in you, and I always have, but a lot of people don't see that in you because, you know, you're fighting with people on the show. Right. You say things people don't want to hear.
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Tamra Judge
Well, that's my strongest point. So, you know, that's what they usually show most of. But Dorit tells Sutton she's passive aggressive. Bose interrupts and says, dorit is not accepting the apology. Do you agree with Bose that Dorit should have accepted Sutton's apology at that moment?
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Sutton Stracke
I thought she did. I thought she said okay, but I thought so, too. You know, it's all about, you can't say okay. But there's like, you know, if somebody gives you an apology, I mean, if you want to forgive someone, it doesn't matter if they apologize or not. It's on you if you want to forgive somebody.
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Tamra Judge
Right.
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Sutton Stracke
It's not because someone said they were sorry, to be honest, because there's a lot of insincere sorrys. This one. I don't know if it's really that sincere or not. She's got to get rid of that because it was a shit. It didn't make her look good by saying it. So. The apology is also for her, too. And Dorit doesn't feel like letting her off the hook so quick.
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Tamra Judge
How do you feel about the apology? I'm sorry you feel that way to me. That's a big f you. I'm sorry you feel that way. That's not.
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Sutton Stracke
It's honest for me. It's honest like, I am sorry you're upset for what I said, but get the. Over it.
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Tamra Judge
Get over. That's how I am. God, I love it. That's how I feel, too. If you apologize for something and people keep bringing it up, a year or two years later, it's a you problem. It's a you problem.
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Sutton Stracke
Shake it off.
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Tamra Judge
Over it.
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Sutton Stracke
Who am I to you, anyway?
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Tamra Judge
I get over things like that. You want to apologize, okay, I'm over it. Doesn't mean I, you know, trust you or, you know, whatever, but I won't get over it. Yeah.
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Sutton Stracke
All that says to me is let's leave it here.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah.
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Sutton Stracke
And move on.
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Tamra Judge
Or not move on. Yeah. Just.
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Sutton Stracke
I'm sorry you feel that way. Well, I'm sorry you said it. And now I think you're a jerk off and I'll never trust you again. How do you feel about that? Okay, good. Let's move on.
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Tamra Judge
Let's move on.
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Sutton Stracke
That's how I feel. I know how you feel. And now let's leave it here.
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Tamra Judge
Bo's asked to read if there's anything she feels accountable for. Dorit says the joke comment about the drink she made was not meant to hurt her.
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Sutton Stracke
Okay. Yes, it was. Yes, it was.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah, but how do you feel about Sutton saying things like, you know, the very beginning of the episode, I'm way, I'm wearing vodka tonight. But then she wonders why people talk about her drinking.
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Sutton Stracke
She's constantly drinking. You know, people are going to talk about it. If you don't like people talking about it, then go in the closet and drink. Well, just be like, that's right. I'm. Yeah, I'm drinking. Okay, so.
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Tamra Judge
But don't you feel like the housewives that seem to be drinking a lot on the show are very, like, they get very offended if anybody talks about it.
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Sutton Stracke
Let me ask you something. Didn't Kyle, she's, like, sober now. I don't remember her drinking a lot. Ever. Something that was on the show or was that not in front of people? I'm not being nasty by bringing it up.
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Tamra Judge
No, no, no, no. I think what it was is that she really got into fitness and she stopped a lot of things, like certain foods. Like, she's eating healthy, she doesn't drink soda, she doesn't drink alcohol, and she looks amazing. We see her in her bikini later on in this episode, and I think that's why she stopped. Other than that, I don't know. I don't think there was ever a problem. Do you drink at all?
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Sutton Stracke
Me? No.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah, so I've noticed in the past couple of years that alcohol affects me so bad. Like, I can have a glass of wine and I am fine, but if I. Or a glass of champagne, I am fine. But if I have hard alcohol or anything like that, it just, like, destroys me. Like, I'm just wasted. Wasted.
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Sutton Stracke
So if I could get wasted, I would drink as much as Sutton, but really don't. I can drink a full, like, seven shots of tequila and not feel anything.
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Garcelle Beauvais
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Sutton Stracke
I don't get drunk, so why would I bother?
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Tamra Judge
Why put that poison in your. Yeah, just. Why put the poison in your mouth.
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Sutton Stracke
Why put the calories. I'd rather have a case of Diet Coke, you know, like.
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Tamra Judge
Well, that's not good for you either. Those chemicals are not good for you. No, I didn't drink Diet Coke for 20 years. Any kind of soda for 20 years. And my group of friends, like Kaden, that's in this group right here, he drank so much Diet Coke. And so I'm like, okay, I'll try influence. I tried it once and I'm like, this is disgusting. It tastes like chemicals. And then I tried it again and then I kind of like it. So I'll have one once in a while. One and once in a while. That's.
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Sutton Stracke
I gave it up for Lent. I gave it up for Len every year because it's my addiction.
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Tamra Judge
And it's good now. I think it's good.
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Sutton Stracke
And that is like, try to stay often.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah. It's just not good for you. That's for sure. Kathy isn't given a lot. This usually Kathy's got some funny one liners and she's kind of does stuff. And I feel like Kathy's not really saying much. She did chime in and said, we're here for four days.
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Sutton Stracke
Rome wasn't built in a day. You know, when somebody's speaking of weight loss, when somebody's on a weight loss kick, or when somebody is trying to get back in a relationship with someone. I say didn't happen overnight.
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Tamra Judge
It didn't.
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Sutton Stracke
So take the amount of time for this to have happened and give it some time to forgive or move on. I think that Kathy is good enough. Kathy sitting there is enough for me. Kathy doesn't speak. She's Kathy Hilton. Not because she's a. I love her fucking character.
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Tamra Judge
She's a. But I. Don't you feel like you need a little bit more Kathy?
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Sutton Stracke
I. I always need more Kathy. If Kathy was doing something every second, I would need more of it. When Kathy was on Watch what Happens Live and picked up her big bag with her initials on it. That we all have.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah.
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Sutton Stracke
And started. He's like in the middle of a conversation. It wasn't even like a. A purse. It was. And he said to her, what are you doing? She goes, I'm putting on my chapstick. Nowhere I am a Kathy Hilton.
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Tamra Judge
What about Jennifer Tilly? I think she's funny.
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Sutton Stracke
I want her to grow on me more. I think that we need to see more of her. I think that we need for her to wait. She's no dummy. Jennifer Tilly didn't get to where she is being stupid. I think. What I think is different than the way Bose came in. I think Jennifer is keeping her place and knowing her place and not talking over, not taking over. She's brilliant. She's a brilliant woman. She's, you know, a very trained actress. She's been through a lot in her life. She's well traveled, she's well cultured. I could listen to her. When she's ready to speak, I'm giving her a pass because she's doing the right thing. She knows her place.
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Tamra Judge
She cracks me up. I met her at. I met her over the holidays at Crystals. She had a party, and she came up to me and she's like, Tamara Judge. I'm like, oh, my God. You know who I am? You know what I mean? Like, oh, my God. Like, then my dad, I told my daughter, and she's like, what, Mom? I am such a huge Chucky fan. Are you serious? I'm like, yeah. Yep. She knew by day.
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Sutton Stracke
You. I'm. She's a diamond in the rough. Give her a chance, guys. Don't. Don't write her off.
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Tamra Judge
She's.
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Sutton Stracke
She's doing what I would have done. No, my. She came in like a bat out of hell.
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Tamra Judge
Oh, yeah. But I think Kathy and Jennifer Tilly, like, they're friends, and they're in there for comic relief. They don't give a lot. They don't need some money. They don't need the money. They're rich bitches.
- [26:36]
Sutton Stracke
But you know, what difference here?
- [26:38]
Tamra Judge
You know, I'm gonna say, well, they need Lisa Rena back bad.
- [26:43]
Sutton Stracke
Well, Lisa Rinna was the Tamara Judge of Beverly Hills now.
- [26:47]
Tamra Judge
Yes. Yes.
- [26:48]
Sutton Stracke
Is that okay to say?
- [26:50]
Tamra Judge
That is okay. Okay to say. I had a long text conversation with Lisa Rena the other day, and they need her back. They need her back.
- [26:58]
Sutton Stracke
She did her job. She did her job. And I agree with you on that.
- [27:03]
Tamra Judge
Something's lacking. Something. I like.
- [27:06]
Sutton Stracke
I like the show, but I like. I mean, when I met her.
- [27:11]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, you're me and you're the type that we like to know people that just get to the point and just say how they feel. They say what everybody wants to say, or we say what everybody else wants to say. But, you know, but it's not being said. There's that aspect of the show that's missing, I think.
- [27:33]
Sutton Stracke
Yeah. Yeah. And I agree with you. I think it wouldn't hurt to bring her back.
- [27:40]
Tamra Judge
Yeah. I don't. I don't even know she'd come back.
- [27:42]
Sutton Stracke
But there is right that's what they all say.
- [27:44]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, but Dorit Dorita is trying to step into her shoes, but it's not landing as well as, you know, it's just. It's just second nature for Lisa Rena to call people out and say the things to make things work. But, yeah, I. I'm sorry, but I miss her.
- [28:01]
Sutton Stracke
You're allowed to say that.
- [28:03]
Tamra Judge
And.
- [28:03]
Sutton Stracke
And yeah, I thought she was great. Listen, I like Lisa. Whenever I've met her, she's been very. Lisa's was very nice to speak to. No errors about her. Not standoffish.
- [28:19]
Tamra Judge
No.
- [28:20]
Sutton Stracke
And you know, you know, sometimes when you meet people from New Jersey, you're not as nice to them. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It could be a little bit of snobbiness towards us that I've seen from some other people. Or maybe not snobby, but just not so inviting. Back when, not now anymore. For me. I mean, I'm. Lisa was never like that.
- [28:45]
Tamra Judge
I would say everybody in Jersey has been very open and nice to me when I met them in person.
- [28:50]
Sutton Stracke
That's how we are. So that's what I expect when I meet someone else.
- [28:54]
Tamra Judge
Yeah. So Lisa run. And by the way, guys, this is not AD but the Lisa Rena lip kits. Amazing. They are so amazing. Just thought I'd throw that. She sends them to me every once in a while. They are so good.
- [29:06]
Sutton Stracke
Me too. Thank you, Lisa.
- [29:07]
Tamra Judge
They're good. Thank you. Kyle says she's grateful Bose came to her house the other day. Bo says from the moment she has wanted to help Kyle and God answered her prayers. Now I'm seeing a shift with Bo. She's now more open to being friends with Kyle before she was stuck like a Siamese housewife.
- [29:27]
Sutton Stracke
Dory. And I'm coming in. Dory. And let me tell you something. Dorit didn't see this coming. No face. When Bose said to her, she's apologizing to you at the table. When Sutton said, listen, I am sorry. And Boaz was like, she's. And Dorit looked over like, really? She didn't see it coming?
- [29:49]
Tamra Judge
No, no, she didn't see it coming. But you know what? This is when I absolutely fell in love with Bose. She went to the Soho house and she was seated across from Mauricio and a girl. Bose text Kyle in the moment and sent a 3 1/2 minute voice note. That's a long note. She is definitely not cute. If you do this, get the cutest girl on the planet. The entire time I was thinking of scenarios to push her into the water. Let me know what you want me to do, because I'll run up on a man. And I'm like, yes, yes. That's what I'd be doing. I'd be like, girl, I'm sitting across from your ex. He's with him. He's a fucking dog. Where did he find her? In the gutter. Like, I would be like, you know, doing everything for my girl to be.
- [30:37]
Sutton Stracke
Like, I don't know that she got that from Kyle.
- [30:41]
Tamra Judge
Yeah. Kyle just sat there was very, very quiet. Very quiet.
- [30:45]
Sutton Stracke
She was hoping that she didn't bring it up. Of course, she knew it was going to be brought up. I'm sure Bose asked her if she could bring it up. She wasn't surprised that it was brought up, but she really doesn't want to talk about it. She's like a girl.
- [31:00]
Tamra Judge
Not that I need to know. Is this the same girl? Because did you watch Watch what happens live the other day? I'm not sure we talked about this. They had the girl that Mauricio was pictured in, like, Aspen green.
- [31:13]
Sutton Stracke
Oh, Aspen. Okay.
- [31:15]
Tamra Judge
He's just running around, just dating, everything. Is that what's going on?
- [31:18]
Sutton Stracke
Why not?
- [31:18]
Tamra Judge
Why not? I'm not knocking it. I'm not knocking it.
- [31:22]
Sutton Stracke
They're single. She. He's single. He's got his bracelets stack on. He's got it. And he does over there with his new cologne.
- [31:30]
Tamra Judge
He's got a shark with a girl.
- [31:31]
Sutton Stracke
In New York, apparently. Oh, the shark necklace. Watch out for the leather necklace. Watch out. Once that pops out, all right, they get the scruff going back. Back in the 90s, it was a goatee that you had to watch out for. Now it's the stack bracelet.
- [31:49]
Tamra Judge
It's a stack bracelets. Or the pepper. Pepper. Remember the landing strip right here?
- [31:53]
Sutton Stracke
That was. That was like. He's definitely fucking somebody else. The landing strip was. He is fucking someone else. 100%.
- [32:02]
Tamra Judge
I wonder if Eddie were to ever be single, how he would transform himself. Because, you know, guys transform themselves after they become single.
- [32:10]
Sutton Stracke
I know. Like, they lose.
- [32:12]
Tamra Judge
Yeah. They lose weight. The abs come back.
- [32:17]
Sutton Stracke
They're getting a little beat in their step. They're a lot happier when they walk through the door.
- [32:21]
Tamra Judge
I wonder if Eddie would stop buying his clothes at Costco and go to, like, Sachs or something to buy outfits.
- [32:27]
Sutton Stracke
Wait, what are those memes? Where? It's where it says I wait. There'll be signs. Like, you'll know when I hit the lottery, but I won't tell anybody. But they'll Be signed.
- [32:38]
Tamra Judge
They'll be signed. That's who I feel like PK and Marisa are. But all guys are like that as soon as they get single, all of a sudden, you know, little pep in their step and listen, going out and doing things. Garcelle tells Kyle that she feels that a tippy toe around Morgan. Now, I was not expecting this to come out of her mouth, but you know, these girls are wanting to go after Kyle about Morgan every chance they can.
- [33:08]
Sutton Stracke
They don't do it that much. They bring it up and then they drop it. No, it's persistent.
- [33:14]
Tamra Judge
No, on your show or my show, they would go balls to the wall.
- [33:18]
Sutton Stracke
They would fucking not let up. So it's like it's brought up Kyle. Kyle diffuses it and then it's like left alone. I mean, that's why, you know, it never really gets resolved or nothing ever comes to a head and nobody's held or held to the fire about it. And then there's this stupid theory that if. If, you know, is there paparazzi at the concert? No, there's 500 people that could see you from the stage or thousands of people. I don't know about Wade's things, but, you know.
- [33:57]
Tamra Judge
So Kyle says there is no situation there. She says one day maybe she will have a great story to share. That was a little bit confusing to me.
- [34:09]
Sutton Stracke
It's confusing because she's not. Maybe because there's not a right answer to it. So she says things like when you don't want to talk about something or.
- [34:19]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, no, she definitely.
- [34:20]
Sutton Stracke
When you want to dance around it.
- [34:22]
Tamra Judge
Danced around it.
- [34:23]
Sutton Stracke
And then Sutton gave the most beautiful answer and said, I hope you have a great story with that. Garcelle wanted to jump off the fucking boat, jump in the water.
- [34:34]
Tamra Judge
And she wanted to grab her by the throat and choke her.
- [34:38]
Sutton Stracke
She wanted to rip her foot fucking face off for that. Well, she was like, you stupid bitch.
- [34:45]
Tamra Judge
Well, I think it's quite obvious that Morgan's name. Morgan does not want her name mentioned on that show. I don't know why. I don't know what happened because she was on the show last year. But Kyle said earlier in the season, like, the person I'm not going to be mentioned, I'm not going to mention her name.
- [34:59]
Sutton Stracke
But guess what?
- [35:01]
Tamra Judge
I think Kyle does want to talk about it. I really do. But I think the other person does not want to be talked about for some reason.
- [35:07]
Sutton Stracke
I don't think Kyle wants to talk about it ever.
- [35:10]
Tamra Judge
Oh, you don't think she does?
- [35:11]
Sutton Stracke
No.
- [35:12]
Tamra Judge
Well, is what it is. So Garcelle said she needed Sutton tonight, but was blinded by Kyle's light.
- [35:20]
Sutton Stracke
Well, Kyle had just also got done sticking up for Sutton. Kyle weighed in on something that was happening in a very small way. And then, did you see Sutton's simp confessional about Kyle? It was simp to the fullest. Like, oh.
- [35:41]
Tamra Judge
Where she was, like, begging for her friendship. We're friends. We're friends. And everybody's. And everybody's gonna know it now. Everybody's gonna know it.
- [35:49]
Sutton Stracke
Everyone's gonna know we're really friends.
- [35:51]
Tamra Judge
Yeah.
- [35:52]
Sutton Stracke
That was the most desperate thing I ever saw in my fucking life.
- [35:56]
Tamra Judge
I know. I know.
- [35:58]
Sutton Stracke
I wonder why Garcelle got pissed off.
- [36:00]
Tamra Judge
Well, Garcelle, I think Garcelle really has it out for Kyle, like she always is. Poking at her in her confessionals.
- [36:06]
Sutton Stracke
And Dorit.
- [36:08]
Tamra Judge
And Dorit, too. Like, Garcelle's like, does the paparazzi follow Kyle everywhere?
- [36:13]
Sutton Stracke
And now Erica.
- [36:15]
Tamra Judge
Well, I will tell you one thing. Me and Teddi and Kyle went to Craig's one night, or one day, actually, and we walked out. The paparazzi were around Kyle like you would not believe, with posters of her. And me and Teddy are over here, like, hey, look at us. Remember me? And they looked at us and they go, hey, Teddy. Hey, Tamra. What's up? I'm like, I've never felt like such.
- [36:39]
Sutton Stracke
Well, that's. Well, there's your answer.
- [36:43]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, well, Teddy told me when they go out, paparazzi goes crazy over Kyle. Goes crazy.
- [36:50]
Sutton Stracke
I told you, the men around here, Paul, Frank, they were thought she's the hottest thing ever. Like, yeah, Kyle is my. The dent. Like, anywhere I go, men were crazy. Crazy for Kyle.
- [37:08]
Tamra Judge
Yeah. She's beautiful. So Erica kind of put it in perspective. She says Garcelle wants information about Kyle.
- [37:13]
Sutton Stracke
Stop fighting over Mauricio already. Stop it.
- [37:17]
Tamra Judge
Move it, girl. Move it. So Garcelle wants. She wants information about Kyle's private light, yet nothing. They know nothing about Garcelle's private life, which is true. Nothing. There's no dating. There's no who she's sleeping with, who's on her roster. And then she said she would. She peaked in her night in the 90s.
- [37:39]
Sutton Stracke
That was funny.
- [37:40]
Tamra Judge
It was. It was so funny. And she had quite. Quite the roster of guys that she was connected.
- [37:48]
Sutton Stracke
Wait, who? Give me some other ones. There was some other names thrown in there.
- [37:51]
Tamra Judge
Was it. Will. Was Will Smith in that as well? Who else was in it? There was Will Smith, Eddie. Eddie Murphy.
- [38:00]
Sutton Stracke
Eddie Murphy was the first one she.
- [38:02]
Tamra Judge
She Said yeah, yeah, there was quite a bit. And I'm like, she's definitely, you know, she was in the 90s. She was a big time model too. So when, you know. Oh my gosh. So all the guys, you know, that were.
- [38:15]
Garcelle Beauvais
Yeah.
- [38:16]
Tamra Judge
So big time guys were going after models like they do today. Sean maybe.
- [38:21]
Sutton Stracke
Oh yes, Sean Penn pan. I don't know where he fit in that one, but yeah, either. No, he was, he was a hottie back in the day.
- [38:31]
Tamra Judge
Unless she stole him from Madonna. Unless she stole him from Madonna. I don't really care about Sean Penn.
- [38:36]
Sutton Stracke
I actually liked them as a couple. Madonna and Sean. Just for the record. Anyway, I just think maybe there isn't anything to talk about. Maybe, you know, there isn't a man in her life. She's crazy for her children sometimes. That's enough. My job.
- [38:56]
Tamra Judge
I, I don't know. Is she, is she just not dating or she just not dating on the, like bringing him on the show?
- [39:02]
Sutton Stracke
Well, wouldn't, wouldn't people know if she was dating? Wouldn't she be seen?
- [39:07]
Tamra Judge
What about Erica? Erica. See, this is the thing. We have three single girls. Three, three totally single girls. We have Erica, we have Sutton and we have Garcelle. We never see them dating.
- [39:21]
Sutton Stracke
How about the whole cast? We know that Bose is dating. Dorit's now single. Kyle is single.
- [39:29]
Tamra Judge
I don't think Dorit single. No, she's got a boyfriend. She's got a long term boyfriend. She's just a friend. So you know how they don't really show that part of your life, like your home life and stuff like that. They barely ever on friends on most of the shows.
- [39:43]
Sutton Stracke
Cassie's the only one married.
- [39:45]
Tamra Judge
Yeah.
- [39:46]
Sutton Stracke
On the whole. So yeah. So of course there's the double standard in the housewives world that we talk about probably once every other podcast.
- [39:55]
Tamra Judge
Yep.
- [39:55]
Sutton Stracke
The double standard is like just out of control. But maybe there isn't. Listen, it's not. We're in our 50s. It's not like we're going to club like now. Yeah, look at old New York. They would just fucking fuck everybody. They didn't give a shit. They fuck the guy that they all.
- [40:19]
Tamra Judge
They all slept with Tom hook up with the pirates.
- [40:22]
Sutton Stracke
They'd hook up with the waiters they didn't get. They would take a pirate off a ship, bang a pirate, then fight over the pirate. Like shit that goes down brings.
- [40:32]
Tamra Judge
There's something with New Yorkers that just to you know, you know. But again, they get what they want.
- [40:38]
Sutton Stracke
This isn't sexy and this isn't Something we want to talk about. But when you're in your 50s, things change. I said it.
- [40:50]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, but you know what? You have a lovely man, so I do have to worry about that. But did you catch Garcelle on Watch what Happens Live? I did a response. Watch Happens.
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Dolores Catania
She.
- [41:02]
Tamra Judge
She basically said. She did say this, Eric.
- [41:05]
Sutton Stracke
Married. Married for love. I'm married for love, not for money.
- [41:13]
Tamra Judge
And you know what? I think she had the balls to say that because they already filmed the reunion. They already.
- [41:18]
Sutton Stracke
And that would have been a great thing to address at the reunion.
- [41:21]
Tamra Judge
Huh?
- [41:22]
Sutton Stracke
But I. I heard the reunion was pretty good.
- [41:26]
Tamra Judge
Let's say I haven't heard much. I just heard like, you know, it's all over Instagram. She ran. Kyle stormed off a couple times. But I don't know if it's true. I haven't. Like, people talk all the time. Well, I.
- [41:40]
Sutton Stracke
You know what?
- [41:41]
Tamra Judge
That's not true.
- [41:42]
Sutton Stracke
I don't want to know if it's true. I want to watch it. So stop. Stop with the leaks. It's like a damn. Stick your finger in it.
- [41:51]
Tamra Judge
When Garcelle kind of snapped at Sutton and then walked away and stubbed her toes, I started laughing. I couldn't.
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Okay, then.
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Visit a--y I.com to learn more about Addie. The next morning, Garcelle says she felt Sutton went on a full protective mode of Kyle. Sutton says she is frustrated with Kyle and on that subject, which is why she wanted to move on. I mean, I think Sutton backtracked on the Morgan conversation.
- [48:00]
Sutton Stracke
Totally backtracked. Yeah, she totally like Garcelle called her out. She's like, you have talked about it and you and I have talked about this many times and then when it gets brought up you just. But honestly, honestly, how could Sutton have turned On Kyle in the moment that she just got her confirmation of friendship. It was like the Holy Grail. She found the Holy Grail or something.
- [48:24]
Tamra Judge
Like Sutton's like, no, not my circus, not my country singer. I'm going to stay out of this one.
- [48:31]
Garcelle Beauvais
Yeah.
- [48:31]
Sutton Stracke
And you know, in a way, I feel like that Garcelle was a little bit overboard on being mad at her for not weighing in on that Wade comment. And at the moment, because, yeah, again, there's double standard. There's a lot of times, most times where Sutton is fighting for herself and Garcelle doesn't say shit on her behalf.
- [48:55]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, she'll.
- [48:56]
Sutton Stracke
She'll chase after outside of the room or she'll like run. You know, people don't know if you pick a fight, don't get mad at somebody. If they don't weigh in, just stop. Like.
- [49:08]
Tamra Judge
Well, not everybody has to come to the other person's defense sometimes, you know, and especially when you're filming stuff like that. Like if you jump in, you know, oh God, you go, they're going to come after me now and it's going to be a big old fight. Sometimes, you know, the gang up is, is not good.
- [49:22]
Sutton Stracke
But Sutton doesn't have a beef with Kyle. She doesn't. As a matter of fact, she is in love with their friendship, which is fucking annoying to Garcelle. And I don't blame Garcelle for being annoyed with that. It's.
- [49:33]
Tamra Judge
Well, then Garcelle should open herself up to other people on that cast because it's doing. Yes. I feel like she just sticks with Sutton. And then if anybody says anything about Sutton, she's over there, like her mouthpiece. So I think that she really needs to, you know, maybe try to be friends with, with Kyle a little bit more and, or, or try to be friends.
- [49:52]
Sutton Stracke
She'll never want to be friends with Dory. She just doesn't like her.
- [49:55]
Tamra Judge
Yeah, well, that's a problem on these shows. On the boat, Sutton tells the ladies that she meant her apology to Dorit. Erica chimes in, saying she has noticed Sutton is not the most compassionate to women who are going through it. She feels Sutton poses as a friend and oftentimes works as an enemy. Erica explains how Sutton will offer support when she, Kyle and Jerit are at their lowest and then flip it and attack them. What do you think about that?
- [50:26]
Sutton Stracke
I. I mean, I don't think Sutton's capable of attacking anybody because I just like, she says things, but she's so easily conquered.
- [50:38]
Tamra Judge
I mean, he has gone after some of the Girls like, you know, she'll have some one liners. But I think, to me, when I think of Sutton, I think of her as more of like the victim. It's the more, poor me, poor me, poor me. Yeah.
- [50:51]
Sutton Stracke
I felt on my nerves. That really gets.
- [50:54]
Tamra Judge
It's not so much like she'll like that one zinger she had about the. My, My wallet is big or whatever. That, that to me seems like it was fed to her. It was fed.
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Sutton Stracke
I'll say it all day long.
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Tamra Judge
Yeah. And it's not really personality.
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Sutton Stracke
It's more like one of her glam team or something.
- [51:13]
Tamra Judge
It's more that she gets defensive when people say things about her. And it's more like, name them, name them. Come on, name them.
- [51:22]
Sutton Stracke
Yeah, you know, people do go for her. She. But I, I'm not into big victims, so people that usually claim victim. Poor me, I find to be sometimes inherently selfish.
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Tamra Judge
Thank you. Thank you. Teddi always gets mad at me when I say she's being a victim. Don't say that. I'm like, it's true. I feel like the ones that play victim are the, the ones that you have to worry about the most. Honestly, they're just.
- [51:55]
Sutton Stracke
It's. It's about me, poor me, and the hell with you.
- [51:59]
Tamra Judge
And that's why I have a hard time saying how I feel or to express what's going on in my life and things like that, just in general, because that victim mentality bugs me so bad that if I, If I say those things, I'm like, oh, God, am I being that person?
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Sutton Stracke
Well, you were never allowed to be that person.
- [52:16]
Tamra Judge
No.
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Sutton Stracke
You didn't have the choice to be that person. Nobody would have listened to you. You were single mom trying to make things work. You didn't have a second to be a victim ever. So you don't really have the patience for that.
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Tamra Judge
I don't. The other thing is, it makes me feel uncomfortable too.
- [52:34]
Sutton Stracke
I mean, I don't know how you grow up. I know how I grew up, but I don't really know how to articulate my feelings correctly.
- [52:41]
Tamra Judge
Thank you.
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Sutton Stracke
That's what I.
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Tamra Judge
Am. That's how I was never allowed.
- [52:46]
Sutton Stracke
You weren't allowed to be upset. You weren't allowed to be not happy that you didn't get something that maybe you asked for or other kids got or whatever. So it takes time. And you have to learn, which I hope you learn how to do, is how to talk about your feelings because they deserve to be heard.
- [53:04]
Tamra Judge
Well, that's what that damn therapy's For. And it's driving me crazy, for sure. Like, it's better. I always, like, oh, I just suppress them. And then when I get angry, I'm like, you and your mother, too.
- [53:13]
Sutton Stracke
Yeah, well, if you come to New Jersey, that's okay behavior.
- [53:18]
Tamra Judge
Maybe I need to move to Jersey. Maybe that's all it is. Yeah. So everybody thinks I'm a New Yorker. When I meet him, they're like, oh, you're from New York, right?
- [53:24]
Sutton Stracke
I'm like, no, you would never think. I know, but. But it's like. Like that kind of a thing. Like, it's about me. And then this happened to me. And what about me?
- [53:35]
Tamra Judge
I know. So. So Sutton screams, what do you all want from me? Dori tells Sutton to speak English so she can understand. Sutton says maybe she should say, speak in a British accent. And I almost died.
- [53:50]
Sutton Stracke
That you've won me over with that. You have won me over. Because, you know, they say that she doesn't have a British accent. I think she grew up in Connecticut.
- [54:00]
Tamra Judge
Yes, yes. But she. I don't know if PK's British accent has rubbed off.
- [54:04]
Sutton Stracke
She lived in Italy for a long time.
- [54:07]
Tamra Judge
She's well traveled.
- [54:08]
Sutton Stracke
I know that she's well traveled. She's very smart. Best driver housewives across the board. Oh, my God.
- [54:15]
Tamra Judge
Outfits are just insane.
- [54:18]
Sutton Stracke
Far none the best. Speaks more languages than probably anyone else. She's got a lot going for her. But you know what, Sutton? Cheers. You won that one.
- [54:30]
Tamra Judge
You won that one.
- [54:32]
Sutton Stracke
God bless you. I'm so happy for you. I want to throw a fucking party. Said something so good. That was the best comeback you ever had.
- [54:40]
Tamra Judge
The jury asks if she wants to move forward. Sutton says, she is good right now. Sutton says, this will not be Sutton on trial at sea. I mean, she got very dramatic. It was kind of a little over the top. And you know what's really putting in the work in this scene? The wind. I was just dying watching them. All the women, you know, their hair and their hats are flying off, and they're all holding to me like, that's the worst. I hate the wind when you're filming because it's like it's in your face sometimes. You got your track showing and all that. I'm like, I don't want to ever film at the beach. I don't want to film, you know, on a boat.
- [55:17]
Sutton Stracke
The Jersey shore doesn't get that windy, so I don't really know where. We didn't really, you know, Dorit's hat was this big.
- [55:26]
Tamra Judge
Dorit's hat was big.
- [55:27]
Sutton Stracke
We don't get those kind of traps. Except for Ireland.
- [55:29]
Tamra Judge
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it was so windy on that boat. I'm like, nope. Garcelle would normally have something to say, but the other night, Sutton didn't have her back. Sutton is shown saying she hates these bitches and calls them the C word.
- [55:44]
Sutton Stracke
My favorite word. Oh, Sutton. Sutton came back strong in the end.
- [55:51]
Tamra Judge
That's not a Southern girl.
- [55:52]
Sutton Stracke
I love that. And don't be the victim. Fight back. And yeah, she could do it.
- [55:58]
Tamra Judge
So a few fan thoughts here. Bose is amazing. She even kept it real with Doritos. The season is boring, but glad Erica finally told Sutton what we all think. I've had enough of Sutton. And then Garcelle is making it so obvious that she wants to take Kyle down. So those were the fan thoughts.
- [56:15]
Sutton Stracke
So let's see. Let's see if Garcelle can do that.
- [56:20]
Tamra Judge
Did you say we have one more.
- [56:21]
Sutton Stracke
Episode on next week's the Finale.
- [56:25]
Tamra Judge
Next week is the finale of Beverly Hills. I mean, we have some. We have Miami coming out. What else do we have coming out? We have Love Love Hotel coming out soon.
- [56:35]
Sutton Stracke
I can't wait for that.
- [56:36]
Tamra Judge
The Valley. Valley is coming out. That looks really good. So we're having. We're coming to the end of some of these shows and new ones popping up. But guys, Atlanta, you have to watch that.
- [56:48]
Sutton Stracke
Atlanta is amazing, amazing, amazing.
- [56:53]
Tamra Judge
So that's it for today.
- [56:55]
Sutton Stracke
Oh, yay.
- [57:01]
Teddi Mellencamp
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We're having another.
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