It’s Not You, It’s Me… (Summer House Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: It’s Not You, It’s Me… (Summer House Recap)
Release Date: March 14, 2025
Hosts: Tamra Judge and Dolores Catania
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction & Personal Updates (00:02 - 02:13)

The episode opens with Tamra Judge and Dolores Catania reconnecting, sharing heartfelt personal updates. Dolores expresses her deep appreciation for her friend Teddy, highlighting the strength and inspiration Teddy embodies.

Notable Quotes:

• Dolores Catania [00:21]: "I got my teddy medicine yesterday and it was so nice to be around her and it felt like old times."
• Tamra Judge [01:18]: "She puts things into perspective. She really does. She has no idea what a gift she has and what she is to everyone."

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Adjusting to Life Post-Reunion (02:13 - 04:12)

Tamra discusses her exhaustion post-press tour and the challenges of returning home after the show’s reunion. She humorously shares a conflict with her husband, Paul, about privacy concerning their televised lives.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [02:13]: "I'm so tired, Tamara. I am exhausted."
• Dolores Catania [02:44]: "If people are really going out of their way to look at my windows, I'm going to give them a goddamn show."

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Summer House Season 9 Anticipation (04:12 - 07:25)

The hosts transition to discussing the highly anticipated Season 9 of Summer House. They speculate about the new cast, expressing excitement and curiosity about how the show will evolve.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [06:23]: "Well, I could put more than just a few faces up there."
• Dolores Catania [07:11]: "I think Emily from our show because she is an attorney, so she."

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Fan Interaction & Relationships (07:25 - 12:00)

Dolores introduces fan questions sourced from Instagram, prompting a discussion about their personal relationships and experiences with fellow housewives. The conversation touches on past interactions, including unaired podcast segments and the dynamics of maintaining friendships within the high-pressure environment of reality TV.

Notable Quotes:

• Dolores Catania [05:40]: "We never ended up airing it, but I ended up going up there three times."
• Tamra Judge [06:06]: "People don't get it. If you don't squash the beef, you're not going to the next level."

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Deep Dive into Cast Dynamics (12:00 - 27:00)

Tamra and Dolores delve into the intricate relationships and drama unfolding in Summer House. They analyze key moments, such as Paige and Kyle’s conflicts, Ryder’s behavior, and Jesse’s relationship with Lexi. The discussion highlights the emotional maturity and personal growth of the cast members.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [16:00]: "They are single by choice. We were not single by choice."
• Dolores Catania [18:22]: "She is a strong woman."

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Humor and Light-Hearted Commentary (27:00 - 35:00)

The hosts infuse humor into their recap, addressing humorous incidents like Craig’s wardrobe choices and Wes’s antics. They balance serious discussions with light-hearted banter, maintaining an engaging and entertaining tone.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [25:33]: "He has to everyone."
• Dolores Catania [30:56]: "How I don't dislike him."

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Relationship Insights and Speculations (35:00 - 42:44)

Tamra and Dolores explore the evolving relationships among the cast members, particularly focusing on Paige and Craig’s strained relationship. They speculate on potential breakups, personal growth, and the future dynamics as the cast navigates personal and professional challenges.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [39:07]: "I don't think it's. I think she's secure with her decision."
• Dolores Catania [40:37]: "You grow to people. You're with somebody for three years and then you're like, it's hard."

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Final Thoughts & Conclusion (42:44 - 43:27)

Wrapping up the episode, Tamra and Dolores reflect on the season’s events and express their anticipation for future developments in Summer House. They share a mix of amusement and genuine interest in the cast’s journey, leaving listeners eager for the next episode.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [43:14]: "I'm gonna do that. The people are gonna see what we."
• Dolores Catania [43:27]: "Yes. Bye."

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Key Takeaways:

• Friendship and Support: The hosts emphasize the importance of strong friendships, portraying Teddy as a pillar of strength and inspiration.

• Reality TV Dynamics: Insights into the complexities of maintaining relationships within the reality TV landscape, highlighting strategies like "squashing the beef" to preserve harmony.

• Anticipation for Season 9: Excitement and speculation surrounding the new season of Summer House, with particular interest in casting choices and potential plot twists.

• Personal Growth: Discussions on personal relationships and the emotional maturity required to navigate the pressures of fame and interpersonal conflicts.

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Conclusion:
This episode of Two Ts In A Pod offers an engaging and thorough recap of Summer House Season 9, blending personal anecdotes with sharp analysis of the show's dynamics. With heartfelt moments, humor, and insightful commentary, Tamra Judge and Dolores Catania provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the season's key events and future implications.

Transcript

[Tamara Judge]

Two teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Dolores Catania]

Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores.

[Tamara Judge]

Hello, Dolores. How are you?

[Dolores Catania]

To see that smile I'm feeling today.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you get your teddy dose?

[Dolores Catania]

I did. I got my teddy medicine yesterday and it was so nice to be around her and it felt like old times. And I felt like, you know, my life was back 100, you know, I mean, like everything I know made everything so much better.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? You. Sometimes you need that friend. You missed her.

[Dolores Catania]

I missed her.

[Tamara Judge]

On top of worrying about her. You missed her?

[Dolores Catania]

I missed her.

[Tamara Judge]

And you don't have that bond with anybody on the show that I see?

[Dolores Catania]

No, not like what I have.

[Tamara Judge]

Not like that. No.

[Dolores Catania]

So she. We did it. We did a little mini podcast together. Just going over, you know, what had transpired in the past six months to now and a little update. So it's. It's out there. It just dropped right now. She's just so strong. So strong. I just wanted. I just want to tell her. I want to hug her and go, you don't have to be this strong. You don't have to be this strong. But, you know, it works, though. She's an inspiration.

[Tamara Judge]

She looks great, everybody. Oh, she is. She makes me feel like, why am I not doing more, you know, why am I not running across along the Hudson that I'm looking at right now instead of sitting on my couch and looking at it, you know, And I. I feel ashamed of myself. She puts things into perspective. She really does. She has no idea what a gift she has and what she is to everyone. I hope she realizes that.

[Dolores Catania]

I love her so much. She's just like. She literally had treatment the day before, didn't feel good all night long and got up and makeup, had make dress, dressed and just gave it her all. And I was just so proud of her. So she gives me the kick I need. My ass, probably.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's what real friends do.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Yeah. What are you up to? Anything exciting? I know you've been on a press tour.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm so tired, Tamara. I am exhausted. Today was my first day home. I started putting my clothes away since from the reunion. I didn't leave the house all day. I just put the shades all the way up. I just got in trouble for from that. From Paul because what he's like, you're inviting people in our house. You're on fucking TV in your house and I can't put the shades up. What do you pay all these Taxes for. To look at the water and. And the view of the city.

[Dolores Catania]

And is he afraid someone's going to look in?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, somebody's going to look at. He goes, I'm calling the. I'm calling the tech guy and I'm going to make him only let the shades go halfway. I go, good, I don't care. He goes, I know you don't care.

[Dolores Catania]

My philosophy on that is, if people are really going out of their way to look at my windows, I'm going to give them a goddamn show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, like, who cares? What do they see the tv? Everybody sees the tv.

[Dolores Catania]

I get it, I get it.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not like on the old days. They're running out with the tv. It's attached to the wall, but it's fucking worried if they're looking at the tv. I go, did you happen to notice your cars in the driveway? Maybe we should talk about that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

But anyway, so that's it. I had a very good day. Every. Thank you. Everything is good. It's, you know, it's like people are saying today's the first Thursday that Traders isn't on.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

So there's a lot of memes and people are very, like, missing it.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm gonna miss it. When do you think they're gonna start filming again?

[Tamara Judge]

Same time.

[Dolores Catania]

When is that? I forgot May.

[Tamara Judge]

So they've already picked the cast, I'm sure.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, that's what I was wondering. I haven't heard anything about it.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sure they've picked the cast. But, you know, there's no leaks over there?

[Dolores Catania]

No. God, no. They're scary over there.

[Tamara Judge]

So, you know, they're going to up their game, and I'm really waiting to see the missions, and I cannot wait to see.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't even know how they can up their game. Like we always say that.

[Tamara Judge]

We always say that. Right? In every aspect of this business. But they did it. They did it and they.

[Dolores Catania]

They how to beat it this season. You're like, how can they even beat this? But we'll see. So I asked Instagram some fan questions for me and you.

[Tamara Judge]

I love that you did that. And I saw it, I almost answered it, and then I realized it was for me and you.

[Dolores Catania]

So the first one is. Is how did we meet? And I can't remember.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't remember either.

[Dolores Catania]

Was it like Bravo, Con or.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, it had to be before that.

[Dolores Catania]

Before that. Watch what happens live. I can't remember.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't remember. I feel like you've been in My life for a very long time. So I can't specifically because when I met you, it was like I always kind of knew you.

[Dolores Catania]

Same.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, when you meet those people and you're just like, able to talk to them the way you talk to anybody.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

I met some people over the past week or so that weren't. They're not the same. It's not the same. It's just different. And I realized that you can't just talk to everybody the same way we would talk or, you know, when you meet that. That person that's. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

That you click.

[Tamara Judge]

So, yeah, there's a difference. So, no, I can't remember when we first met because.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know what else I can't remember is that. Well, I remember at BravoCon 2023, the two of us did Squash the Beef, but it never ended up airing because I feel like we both went up there and go, we don't. I don't even know what this is about.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. It. It didn't even make sense.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. And they ended up not airing it, but I ended up going up there three times. I even had to squash the beef with Andy Cohen that day.

[Tamara Judge]

That is so funny. Yeah, you were on fire.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, I kind of like those squash the beefs. We should do that at our reunions. Just wash the beef.

[Dolores Catania]

The beef. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Because people don't get it. If you don't squash the beef, you're not going to the next level.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. So this is a question you hear all the time. Who is your Mount Rushmore of housewives pick for? I find it very hard. Very hard. I mean, you always want to think about the ones that have been out there the longest.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Dolores Catania]

And started it.

[Tamara Judge]

I look at all the housewives in their own way. Well, most of them of all they've been through and how they get by and putting your life out there. But, like, I could put more than just a few faces up there.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. That's how I feel too. I always go to like the OGs, like Teresa, Vicki, like, you know what I mean? Like the ones camera.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, 17 years. There's some credibility behind that original.

[Dolores Catania]

But I might. I might not be the og, but I'm definitely the oc.

[Tamara Judge]

There's your next tag.

[Dolores Catania]

That was one of my. You know how they give you a bunch of taglines, you know, like one.

[Tamara Judge]

Of them that was yet now.

[Dolores Catania]

So which fellow New Jersey or OC housewife should go on Traders next?

[Tamara Judge]

So I say anyone from Jersey would do well on. I feel would do well on Traders.

[Dolores Catania]

I think I agree with you on that.

[Tamara Judge]

I think Margaret would be a great trader. Yes, I think so.

[Dolores Catania]

Love Margaret so much. I'm gonna say Emily from our show because she is an attorney, so she. She's always looking for, you know, the lie. She's looking for the lie. Looking around the bin.

[Tamara Judge]

Now. Let me ask you really quick. Would you play differently going back? I would, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I would actually play. I didn't really play well. Why would you play different? You freaking won.

[Tamara Judge]

I wouldn't win. I would. I would play to play, and that makes you get killed. So. Well, then it probably wouldn't last long.

[Dolores Catania]

But I think you played very well, even though you got 8 out of 10 wrong. But that was your strategy, right?

[Tamara Judge]

It was my strategy.

[Dolores Catania]

People thought, she does not know what's going on.

[Tamara Judge]

I got the first one right, and I got the last one right. And for me, I'm good with that. And I gained the trust of everyone in the castle, even the traitors.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, That's.

[Tamara Judge]

So I'll take it.

[Dolores Catania]

Phaedra did that. She gained everybody's trust when she was there and made it very far. She was just, like, preying on people and, you know, talking about how cute they were.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, little birdie, birdie. You're so cute. She was. She was wiping the tears.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, she was doing it all.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she was wiping the tears, like, it's okay. Meanwhile, everybody's.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Murdered.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's like, they must die.

[Dolores Catania]

Poor thing, but they must die.

[Tamara Judge]

And then she liked it.

[Dolores Catania]

After her three hours of sleep, she'd get up and she'd be fresh as a daisy the next day, lashes and all.

[Tamara Judge]

And she played the last couple missions with a torn acl.

[Dolores Catania]

I didn't know that.

[Tamara Judge]

Or no meniscus, something like that.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Tamara Judge]

100%. She is a worker. This girl is so. She's unbelievable.

[Dolores Catania]

So another question directly towards you. Do you still talk to Caroline and Jacqueline?

[Tamara Judge]

Jacqueline? Yeah. Jacqueline was texting me. I do talk to Caroline. I haven't spoke to her recently. I know. She just. I saw on Instagram she had a grandson.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, Albie had a boy. Albie had a baby.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, congratulations. Jacqueline lives by me.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. So we should. We were texting back and forth. She's a good friend. Let me tell you about Jacqueline. Loretta is a good friend.

[Dolores Catania]

She's very kind to me, and she's.

[Tamara Judge]

A very good friend.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, we haven't had a chance to meet up. I keep telling her.

[Tamara Judge]

You've never met Jacqueline.

[Dolores Catania]

No, I have. I. Oh, yeah, I got way back in the day. But we've always kept in contact and so we dm and she lives pretty close to me. And I keep teasing her. I'm like, okay, I'm going to film a party at my house and you're going to come. She's like, no, I'm not.

[Tamara Judge]

I get her to come. I'd love on the camera again. She was a. She was a good housewife. She was a really good housewife. She. Jacqueline's the person that, you know, say you're going through something and you know you're going to walk the floors and you're crying at night.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And nobody's calling you then Tamara. But Jacqueline's the one that gets up to pee and calls you to check on you.

[Dolores Catania]

She's so kind. Like, even now she's checking in on me. So she's.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she is so good. Heart of Gold.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Dolores Catania]

Oh, wow. You're kidding. Stop it.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Dolores Catania]

Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Dolores Catania]

Summer House Season 9 Episode 5 There's.

[Tamara Judge]

A lot going on over there.

[Dolores Catania]

I know there is. So Paige and Kyle are hashing things out. Paige reminds Kyle that she isn't Hannah and she isn't Craig, so she can't be held responsible for either of their actions, which I agree with.

[Tamara Judge]

She knows her worth, this girl.

[Dolores Catania]

She does. And Kyle agrees he shouldn't have put himself in the middle of it. And he apologizes. He says it wasn't about Craig promoting a competitor. It was just the way he went about it. I'm not quite sure how he went about it, but okay, Kyle. Kyle is happy to have a conversation with Craig when he visits next week, but Paige thinks their friendship may never recover from this. Paige and Kyle return back to the group and everyone cheers when they see that Kyle has a big smile on his face.

[Tamara Judge]

I think Kyle wanted to put the fire out because she was so mad and she was kicking his ass all over the Place like she was dragging him across the ground. And she's like, would you say I'm a two faced? Would you say like she would bring it up? And he was like, I gotta make up with her.

[Dolores Catania]

She's gonna kill me.

[Tamara Judge]

She's gonna kick my ass. So I think that's one of the reasons. And he really wasn't right to put it on her.

[Dolores Catania]

No. And now that Paige and Craig are broken up, I'm wondering if her stance on this has changed or she still feels the same way. It'll be interesting to see. See now we saw in the. I think it's. Is that for next week they talk about possibly a breakup between the two of them. Is it coming already?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, if. If that last talk was any indication, no.

[Dolores Catania]

God.

[Tamara Judge]

She was sitting there. Have you ever done this? Because I have. Telling him everything he doesn't want to hear. Yes. To make him not like her.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. And we're going to get to that in a second.

[Tamara Judge]

But I know I had a joke.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, I know. But I'm serious.

[Tamara Judge]

I couldn't wait to talk about this.

[Dolores Catania]

Because I'm like, oh, we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about it deep.

[Tamara Judge]

So I could see right through this.

[Dolores Catania]

So at the beach, the girls are comparing boob sizes. Amanda, Lindsay and Sierra talk about whose boobs are bigger.

[Tamara Judge]

Whose are bigger? A man. Well, Lindsay's, now Lindsey's are huge.

[Dolores Catania]

I think that. What? They tried to weigh their boobs. Oh, they were grabbing them in front of the guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Like they tried to.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, like hold them. And the guy.

[Tamara Judge]

So Jesse was five pounds lighter.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm. I'm lucky.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll take anything.

[Dolores Catania]

At this point in our confessional, Lexi says she's a confident person, but her boobs are one of her biggest insecurities. Lexi feels like she's more suited for summer camp to me than summer house at this point, she does seem way younger than everybody else.

[Tamara Judge]

Very, very young. And you know, along the way I've heard like, she does nothing without her family. I feel like she's been sheltered a bit and, you know, she's in a different world than she's used to.

[Dolores Catania]

But do you find her family dynamic fun or weird or too much?

[Tamara Judge]

I come from a very, very close family, so I'm all for that. I get it. But they're normal. Like, my family could be a little bit rough around the edges, so like that. But if you're constantly around, like normal People. I don't know how they are, but they seem like, you know, like, what was. The mother was wearing, like, shorts and a leather blazer to go out.

[Dolores Catania]

Her mother is probably younger than me.

[Tamara Judge]

Correct.

[Dolores Catania]

So how old is Alexi?

[Tamara Judge]

She's in her 20s, so I have.

[Dolores Catania]

A son and did. Someone's 40, so.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Dolores Catania]

God, I feel so.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm just saying, like, hey, it's great for her, but she's around a different crowd probably than what she's. Oh, she's 27. I thought she was younger.

[Dolores Catania]

I thought she was younger, too.

[Tamara Judge]

He's a young 27. And that. I say that with all respect, but this is a different crowd.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, she told Jesse she wants him to gas the girls up. She just doesn't want him to make it look like he's trying to date them.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a fine line. That's a real fine line. So.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, what is the girls up. What does that mean?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, he could tell them they're pretty and he can, like, remember she had a problem with the emojis. Like, he said she was like, chill out on the emojis and things like that.

[Dolores Catania]

He is kind of cringing me out.

[Tamara Judge]

How old is he?

[Dolores Catania]

I think he's in his 30s.

[Tamara Judge]

But he.

[Dolores Catania]

He was flirt. He flirts with everybody.

[Tamara Judge]

Um, I know I'm jumping ahead, but the raft with him and Sierra at the end.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

And He's a young 31.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Lindsay reveals that she and Turner don't even live together. She feels like moving in together after just six months is too much pressure on top of having a baby.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm. Well, that's very telling. They are certainly making a different breed of women when. When I grew up. Because you got Paige saying, I choose work over you. You got Lindsay saying, no, no, no. I want to be a single mom. You stay in your spot, I stay in mine.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you for your sperm.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm good, Doc. Thanks for the sperm. You're no longer needed. I'm getting a kick out of this shit. Like, I'm like.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Winding it. I'm rewinding it.

[Dolores Catania]

It's crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

They're single by choice. We were not single by choice.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. I mean, I think it's emotionally mature for Lindsay to make this.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, me too.

[Dolores Catania]

I think it's, you know, she doesn't care that she lives in a house and he lives in a house and they've only been together six months. They've only been together six months and she's. What Four months. Five months pregnant.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So listen, maybe she's just. They didn't really get to know each other. I mean, I've. I read about him. I did. I have to tell you, he's like a research doctor. He's a real like, brainiac. I don't know if there's a great chemistry or connection. I don't see a lot of commonalities there, but you don't have to be in. Have things in common.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think she just wanted to be a mom?

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

You don't think that?

[Tamara Judge]

I think it just happened and she went with it.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. So, I mean, if it works for her, it works for her. It's not up to any of us.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it was a decision also. I think it just happened, but I also think it was decision made at a vulnerable time, you know, right after what happened.

[Dolores Catania]

It's such a big change from.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't speak for her. Yeah. But you know, I have a lot of faith in her. I. I like the way she's handling things now already. Like not moving in with this guy. Not sure if this is the right thing, getting to know him better. Even though they're having a baby together, these things happen. And I give her a lot of credit and a lot of respect for that.

[Dolores Catania]

She's a strong. She's a strong woman. So Jesse tells Wes he's a little nervous about his relationship with Lexi. But he's had. He's had regrets about not pursuing girls before, so he wants to give a chance. This is.

[Tamara Judge]

So you're 31. Okay. Let's say like, you know, there comes a time where we have to settle down.

[Dolores Catania]

I feel like he chased her, got what he wanted, and now he's like, ah, what's next?

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I think he wanted his cake and eat it too. Maybe that's what he's used to. And she wasn't having it. She said, well, if you're going to basically get down my pants, then I want some type of commitment. And for her, summertime is not his time for commitment.

[Dolores Catania]

No, it's not. Especially in that house.

[Tamara Judge]

Not in summer house.

[Dolores Catania]

The rotation of girls that come into that house. And I think he's to try to work them all.

[Tamara Judge]

That gets old too.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I just. I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see the two of them. I don't know. Are they. They together now? Before I open my mouth?

[Dolores Catania]

I. I don't think so. But I think like at the beach, he was so far Away from her, which was so different than on the phone, constantly talking.

[Tamara Judge]

He was looking down her bathing suit. You didn't see that?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I didn't see that.

[Tamara Judge]

They were sitting next to each other and it was the corner of the screen and he was, like, playing with her little. Like her tiny little bathing suit. I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I didn't see that.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but I bet a lot.

[Dolores Catania]

Of people didn't know. Jesse surprised that Wes ditched everybody at the club last night. Wes claims he didn't hook up with someone last night. He wants to keep the peace this summer, so he's not going to talk about his hookups.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's very nice.

[Dolores Catania]

It was just so weird when Jesse is telling Wes that if he's hooking up with girls, he doesn't have to hide it anymore. I'm like, okay, west, you go. Wes.

[Tamara Judge]

That is. Yeah. The conversations. But the boys.

[Dolores Catania]

Boys are so weird.

[Tamara Judge]

Laugh. They make me laugh.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm sorry, but Wes didn't end up sleeping on the couch. He boned someone.

[Tamara Judge]

He did. But doesn't he admit it? Didn't he?

[Dolores Catania]

I think.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't just want to say it or.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, he doesn't want Sarah to know. I don't. I don't know if he just want to hurt her.

[Tamara Judge]

He's afraid of her. He's afraid of her. He's afraid of her. And okay, he could say he doesn't want to hurt her. Well, then you shouldn't have done things in the first place without the. The intentions of staying with her. You guys were friends. But you know what my mom always says. And I sound like Paige now. My mother's never wrong. A stiff dick has no conscience.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, wow. Go, mom.

[Tamara Judge]

Valerie is.

[Dolores Catania]

Valerie.

[Tamara Judge]

She just. I just gotta go. She just got released from the hospital. Thank you.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, good. She's okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Awesome. So Amanda, Carl, Page, west, and Jesse are all at dinner. Paige says in a different timeline, she and Jesse are married. Kyle says, whatever happened to me? Prompting a six summers ago flashback where Kyle and Paige went into the pantry together.

[Tamara Judge]

They were in the pantry. You don't go to the pantry for no reason. They're not baking.

[Dolores Catania]

Say that again. Carl and Paige went into the pantry. Did they hook up? Was there cameras? Can somebody tell me? Was there moaning? Was there slurping? What went.

[Tamara Judge]

The cameras have let. Were the cameras there? They don't let these things go. How'd that slip by? And has that never been talked about before?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't. This is the first time hearing it. But you know, since Paige and Craig's breakup, Jesse has openly said he would date Paige.

[Tamara Judge]

So that's not cool.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think that's cool.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think he's got a chance because her boyfriend's like a multi millionaire and is he got a lot of clout. He's not hanging out at summer house on the weekends. He's got his own summer house.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, who.

[Tamara Judge]

Nothing against.

[Dolores Catania]

What did you do? Is it like somebody. Something in the.

[Tamara Judge]

That page that comes. That's not for. That's a high. That's a high end ticket.

[Dolores Catania]

What's her boyfriend do though? Something.

[Tamara Judge]

He's apparently some type of sports agent or something.

[Dolores Catania]

That's right. Yeah. I couldn't remember.

[Tamara Judge]

And you know, you go from summer house hanging out with the solo cups to hanging out at in the box with.

[Dolores Catania]

But yeah, with champagne and caviar.

[Tamara Judge]

Athletes and caviar. It's not going back. You're not going back.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know who hasn't?

[Tamara Judge]

Not with the house boy.

[Dolores Catania]

You know who hasn't gone back is Carl. He hasn't had sex in a year. He hasn't gone.

[Tamara Judge]

I commend that.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, glory hole, I'm. He's like, nope, no more glory hole for me. I'm just gonna sit it out.

[Tamara Judge]

So imagine that. Imagine who? Imagine when he decides to fall off the wagon for that one.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Oh, so he is a senior vice president football marketing at Clutch Sports.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, sounds like a big deal. But it's not summer house status.

[Dolores Catania]

Was it Carl that was wearing the green Crocs? Yes, it was Carl. He's not going to get laid for another year if he keeps it up.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's his deterrent. That's like. That's the. That's like the what, what would I call it? What do you call a repellent? Those green Crocs are the repellent for him not to get laid. He's really. He needs the help, you know, he doesn't want. I'm sure down in the Hamptons, all the girls are all over them because they're like on tv, the summer house guys and they're fun. And the girls that want to just have fun, well, he says there's.

[Dolores Catania]

He says there's opportunities for him to do so, but hasn't felt emotional.

[Tamara Judge]

He's a nice guy. He's good looking. He's on tv.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't. Nice, sweet and sensitive. A whole year at his age.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but you know, he's really cleansing like that. There's I know some other people that are doing that.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know what? He needs to cleanse.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, Sorry.

[Dolores Catania]

I'll move on.

[Tamara Judge]

Talk about cleansing the farting here.

[Dolores Catania]

I was like, I did not need to hear that. Especially at that capacity. Like, that was like, kicking me.

[Tamara Judge]

I do. You know, I've never heard Paul fart. She'll be together three and a half years, and I have never heard him fart. No.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, welcome. I'll send Eddie over. Never farted in front of their husbands.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I mean, now it made me think, does he. In the run. Run into the next room and let a big fart out?

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe he just doesn't fart.

[Tamara Judge]

He has to everyone.

[Dolores Catania]

I rarely do.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? Really? Because you. Three times a day.

[Dolores Catania]

There's nothing times a day.

[Tamara Judge]

That is. Oh, okay. I'm never jealous of anybody. I wish everyone well. I hate you for that. I. I'm gonna say it's actually a problem. I am so. I have envy. I am so mad at you for that, Tamara. I mean, I know you have a hot body and you're really pretty, and I. And I just accept those things that I just deserve not to have that. But. But you go to bat, like, that's just not fair, and it's just not there. I've struggled with that my whole life.

[Dolores Catania]

Some people just do struggle with. I have a lot of friends that struggle. I'm actually.

[Tamara Judge]

The women have a lot of problems with that.

[Dolores Catania]

We do, but. Well, I can't complain about.

[Tamara Judge]

So he lets out a big fart.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I stopped watching Summer House one time because all the girls were sitting by the pool talking about farting, and I was like.

[Dolores Catania]

I think we talked about.

[Tamara Judge]

Like this. Yeah. What? Girls talk like this.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Well, young.

[Tamara Judge]

There's no shame.

[Dolores Catania]

It's us right now. We're talking about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but no, wait. It's none of us doing it.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Wes also has said he hasn't been on a date in a while, which I don't believe that, but he's doing something.

[Tamara Judge]

Watch what happens live last night.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, he won't.

[Tamara Judge]

Andy liked his outfit.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm sure it was something.

[Tamara Judge]

It was all white. Pink. Pink suede, Adidas, and, like, a polo sweater, Ralph Lauren sweater with a polo tie with teddy bears on it. White.

[Dolores Catania]

All white, huh? Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, people liked it, I guess.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, west has been doing something new with Complex where he's taught taking girls out on dates and interviewing them in that environment. For example, he took the hot Tui girl out. I would have loved what happened to Hawk Tui.

[Tamara Judge]

She's in jail. She's going. She's in trouble.

[Dolores Catania]

She's in trouble?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she's in some trouble.

[Dolores Catania]

Allegedly.

[Tamara Judge]

Allegedly. She's with taxes or something. Bitcoin. I don't know. I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

Just pay. Just pay. Pay and you won't be in trouble anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know if it's taxes or bitcoin. I don't know. I saw some legal issues with Hawk Tui, but.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I don't see her on Instagram. She's popping up on Instagram. She got famous really quick and fast. Oh, she was involved in crypto.

[Tamara Judge]

Crypto, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

She might have. Allegedly. They were saying she scammed some people.

[Tamara Judge]

Allegedly. Yeah, she did that.

[Dolores Catania]

She launched her own co. Well, everybody meets up at the club later that night. Cocktail server came out with a big sign that said congrats, Jesse and Lexi on it. Everyone's back at the house.

[Tamara Judge]

Why?

[Dolores Catania]

Why did it say that?

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, why?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. Why.

[Tamara Judge]

Because they're in a committed relationship that I haven't seen them really commit yet.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I saw. I'm like. I don't even know what that means. Did somebody just punking them? But everyone's back at the house by 2am and Emeril brings another girl back.

[Tamara Judge]

This guy is like, Emerald came. Came strolling in behind. We didn't see the girl look like.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. He's a horn dog. He's bringing girls.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I think he's got a little bit of a sex addiction. Addiction. I think he does. Something's going on because he was like.

[Dolores Catania]

He was held down for so many years with his religion, and now he's making up for lost time. Maybe you're going to get some case of the. The herbs if you do stuff like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Or other. Are other things. You don't want the. You don't want the chlamydia either.

[Tamara Judge]

There's something about him that I feel bad about, and I can't put my finger on it.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I even.

[Tamara Judge]

How I don't dislike him.

[Dolores Catania]

No. I get the ick with all the girls and sex stuff, but he. When he talks, he doesn't feel like he's lost. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I feel like if he. If he settled down, he would be a good boyfriend. I think he's more mature. I know he's got this whole sex fetish, but I feel like he's more mature.

[Dolores Catania]

Mm. I agree with that. He does seem older than a lot of them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, he's been through. He's been married. He's.

[Dolores Catania]

He's just found that out. Yeah, married. He was married. And it wasn't for. And it wasn't for a green card.

[Tamara Judge]

No, he loved. He did love her and. Yeah, but in the end of the relationship, they thought it was okay to do different things. I think he's caught up in that world that sometimes catches up with you too. Like it, you know, that can eat you alive. It's not, it's not the normal thing to do. It could be some people's normality, but there's always something behind it that. That gets in your head or bothers you after a while. I know people that have lived that lifestyle.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Yeah, I do too.

[Matt Rogers]

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Boeing Yang just won Podcast of the Year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, wow. You're kidding.

[Tamara Judge]

Stop it.

[Matt Rogers]

Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Dolores Catania]

The next morning, Jesse and Lexi are talking about their relationship. Jesse wants to make sure that they both aligned and that they are fools.

[Tamara Judge]

They had sex, of course, by now.

[Dolores Catania]

Of course, yes. Lexi tells him that being a model means her physical appearance has been picked apart since she was 10. Lexi says everyone keeps telling her how much of a boob guy Jesse is. Do you feel like Lex? Lexi is fishing for a compliment, or is it just her insecurity about being, you know, rather flat chested? But that's a model body for you girls making money at 10 years old and, and still modeling at 27 like that.

[Tamara Judge]

You're making money and you're doing what I like. But, you know, big boobs are kind of out right now.

[Dolores Catania]

They are, they are.

[Tamara Judge]

Big lips, big boobs. It's all like, that's in style.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

And I like how he handled it, though. You know, kudos to him. He's like, that's not true. Even though it probably is. He's like, he, like, sometimes you don't want to hear the truth. Right. So he's like, that's not true. And he didn't like he could have pursued it a little more and been a little more, but I don't think he loved that. Someone said to Her. Hey, Jesse's a boob guy. I don't know who said that or.

[Dolores Catania]

If whoever said that to a flat chest girl is mean. You know what I mean?

[Tamara Judge]

Did she just say that? Did she just kind of say that to make him get.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't answer.

[Tamara Judge]

She wanted from him, or did somebody actually say that because Jesse's. Jesse's a everything guy.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, he says that he's not really a boob guy. He's a butt guy. Regardless.

[Tamara Judge]

Said that to her.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, he said he loved her boobs and wanted to eat them at all times.

[Tamara Judge]

I climbed Cringe Mountain on that one.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Climbing it. I'm still cringing. Tamara, you're making me go crazy. Watch every part of the show.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that's when Jesse leaves and goes to the other room and lets out a huge O fart. Said he was holding it for 12 hours.

[Tamara Judge]

Sometimes I. I need a. I need to, like, step away from it. I can. Because I can't take it. You said I want to eat them all the time.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, Jesse. So everyone's hanging around the pool with Emerald.

[Tamara Judge]

And listen, he made her feel better. She needed that. Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

So everyone's hanging around the pool. When Emerald joins them after his wild night, he tells them his backstory. He was an illegal immigrant until he was 23. He married his first girlfriend and received his papers through that. Wait, so he did?

[Tamara Judge]

I was worried. I was worried. I'm like, is he gonna get in trouble for this? That.

[Dolores Catania]

I know I saw something on Instagram that he could get in trouble, and.

[Tamara Judge]

That'S what Paul said. He was watching it with me. He's like, row.

[Dolores Catania]

So illegal immigrant. If they marry, don't they get citizenship or. No, it doesn't work that way. I don't know if you say you.

[Tamara Judge]

Got married for papers, which he said three times. He didn't. It's just, like. Just be careful. You don't realize, you know, not.

[Dolores Catania]

Not nowadays.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, who knew paying for cash on camera for things was going to get the IRS after you?

[Dolores Catania]

I know. That happens. Like, why you got so much money, so much cash?

[Tamara Judge]

You can't escape any papers. You can run, but you can hide.

[Dolores Catania]

No. Okay. They. They love each other. And they loved each other, he did say, and they're a monogamous relationship, but towards the end, they both felt like they were forcing it. Did they say how long they were married?

[Tamara Judge]

No. Good question.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. I was wondering. So his past relationship made him realize it's okay to be who you are, and you can't let People dictate how you live your life.

[Tamara Judge]

That's true. It is absolutely.

[Dolores Catania]

Very true. Smartest thing anybody said in this entire episod.

[Tamara Judge]

Entire season, right?

[Dolores Catania]

He still believes in love, but until he finds out, he won't settle for anything less. Jesse tells Sierra that he and Lexi had a talk. Sierra admits that she's never thought of Jesse in a sexual way but she enjoys how much he giggles and how stupid they can be together. Sierra likes Sarah don't like that boys.

[Tamara Judge]

She likes Sierra don't like stupid boys. Like sophisticated men. Yes please. Like you know what? If you want to laugh, go see a comedian. You get your laughs from your girlfriends, not some goofy guy because you know, next thing you know you're sleeping with them. Sierra, don't make me yell at you.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep, I'm gonna make you call her, say don't do that.

[Tamara Judge]

I almost did.

[Dolores Catania]

I bet you did. Now everybody's back in the city and Craig is there visiting Paige. Now this is where it gets a little cringy. Paige has the mind wasn't cringe.

[Tamara Judge]

It was very clear.

[Dolores Catania]

I know Paige has the mindset her mom has never been wrong for 31 years of her life. So why would she stop listening to her mom Now Craig reminds her that he will be her husband and I'll have his own opinions which may be.

[Tamara Judge]

Different from the mom listen to now. But why where did like that conversation started? Out of nowhere. Was she. What was she referring to with her mother telling her not to do or.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't understand. It was. Something was confused, something was cut out. I think maybe they were talking about kids or marriage or.

[Tamara Judge]

Because she was. Yeah, she was saying that her like she, she wants to give her parents a grandchildren like she knows that that would make them happy.

[Dolores Catania]

That's right. That's what it was. That's what her mom wants. And, and I think he said something like you can't do that just for your mom. But she agreed. She's like I trust me, I get it.

[Tamara Judge]

But then like am I, am I going to miss the boat? Is she saying like, is she saying like well she stop listening.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she doesn't have time to freeze her egg. She said because she's so busy she's.

[Tamara Judge]

On tour, she's doing freezes their eggs and 30. How old is Paige?

[Dolores Catania]

Big bear. She can throw her eggs in the Snow right now. 20 out.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh my God.

[Dolores Catania]

I would.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't go to the cold weather.

[Dolores Catania]

Well don't you live in the cold weather once in a while? Doesn't it get pretty cold in Jersey.

[Tamara Judge]

It's fucking freezing. I love it. I don't want to ever see it.

[Dolores Catania]

That's funny.

[Tamara Judge]

Paige is 32, so she's got some time.

[Dolores Catania]

He's got some time.

[Tamara Judge]

He has some time. The freezing of the eggs, that's a lot.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Just stop it. Paige admits her first reaction to Lindsay being pregnant was thank God it wasn't me.

[Tamara Judge]

And did you see his face?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. Craig feels like their busy schedules sometimes make it feel like they are seeing living single lives, which I understand.

[Tamara Judge]

Plus I think you don't live in the same state. Yeah, he missed the memo.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But after that conversation it was very clear that she couldn't try to make him dislike her anymore.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, she was just giving him all the signs to beat it. So Craig says he's happy that Paige careers taken off. Which I really thought like he's like, no, I'm not. But she reminds him that there will be weeks.

[Tamara Judge]

Like saying you've changed since your career took off.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, what would you say if Dolores, there's going to be weeks where we can't see each other. There's weeks. It's like, okay, I get it.

[Tamara Judge]

Me, I'd be happy.

[Dolores Catania]

Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Like me, like in my world I'm like, oh great, I won't see it for a couple weeks. Like I didn't see Paul for a whole month. Sometimes it's nice not to see each other for a little while. But he's not having it. He wants to, you know, he wants to advance to the next step and it's just the stars are not aligned.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, he's grabbing onto her by her ankles and she's bragging him because she.

[Tamara Judge]

Is telling, did you feel it? Like it was like I felt bad for him. And I know what she's going through because I don't think she wants to hurt him on national TV or period. I don't think they had any type of tumultuous relationship where they hated each other. It just, she went in a different direction.

[Dolores Catania]

Boy, did she. So when Craig said, I never thought I'd be in a submissive relationship, what kind of masculine like statement is that? Feeling like a little bitch.

[Tamara Judge]

He was feeling like he wasn't that oblivious to what she was doing.

[Dolores Catania]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

He's not a dumb dumb. You have to be a dumb dumb to not see what's going on here. Once that, once somebody in the relationship gets to that point and, and there's no coming back once that spark is gone. Very few.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm wondering if he started pulling back after that. It's going to be interesting to see how this goes down because if somebody was telling me that, I would just like. And it's not hard to back off when you don't live in the same state.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, no, it is hard to back off because it's. It's. Their relationship has been a long distance relationship from the beginning. Yeah, but so that's like their normal for them where they made an effort to see each other until they could be together, but somewhere along this line, she decided that she didn't like it.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, because you found somebody new and rich. Joking. I don't know. I don't know if that happened.

[Tamara Judge]

We don't know. No, no, no. Whatever it was, whether it's that, whether it's Giggly Squad blowing up insane, whether it's just coming into your own and just wanting to. Sometimes you grow out of people, spread your wings. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what that is. You grow to people. You're with somebody for three years and then you're like, it's hard for sure. But then you're like, you know what? This is not my forever guy. This is not it. And I think that's what she felt. And she's like, you know what? I'm going to go do Giggly squad every day.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, happens every day. And he's for the person that doesn't see it coming.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. And he even knew like 10 out of 10 times she would choose her work over him or being married or kids or anything like that.

[Tamara Judge]

I think he started to pull back and save face.

[Dolores Catania]

I hope so.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that he was like, all right, let me. Let me say, oh, well, I know you want to choose your work, and I don't think it started out like that. I think this is something new. And it's really hard because, yeah, if.

[Dolores Catania]

You really love somebody, you. Okay, go do your work. Go do that, go on tour, do that. Like it's not going to stop you.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? No, but he. He loves her. I don't think he wants to. I think that he feels the pull away and I see he feels the dist. And that's what he's. He's upset about. Not that she wants to work, but.

[Dolores Catania]

At the end of this episode, I think that we can both agree she wanted out of that relationship.

[Tamara Judge]

I agree. And I felt it in my, you know, I felt on her end, like sometimes so sad. But sometimes. But by now he's okay, so. But sometimes when someone's doing that to the other person, whether they found someone else or whether they just don't want to hurt the other person because they've grown out of them. They feel so bad.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't see her having any remorse on this. I see her being like, all right, let me just get this. Like, let's go on with this. Let's get this on.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I think that obviously she still cared about him, but she knew long run. This. This is not.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I don't think it's. I think she's. She's secure with her decision, and she just wants to get on the other end.

[Dolores Catania]

Next season, she'll be knocked up and married.

[Tamara Judge]

It'll be the curse of summer house. Watch where you sit.

[Dolores Catania]

Right? Don't drink the water. Exactly. Well, that's it for today. That was fun. That was so much fun.

[Tamara Judge]

Summer houses gives us some good dirt to talk about.

[Dolores Catania]

All right, well, I'm sure I'll see you in another day.

[Tamara Judge]

You look so good. It made my day. The sun's a little brighter, even though my shades have to go down before I get yelled at.

[Dolores Catania]

So walk around through. Shirt off in front of the shades down, shades up. I mean, shades up.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna do that. I do. The people are gonna see what we. Your house is on tv, bro. Bro.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. Bye.