Jail is Not Contagious (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Jail is Not Contagious" (RHOP Recap)

Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Date: February 18, 2026
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Teddi and Tamra dive into the whirlwind drama of "The Real Housewives of Potomac" (RHOP) Season 10 reunion, specifically focusing on legal troubles, housewives' personal dynamics, and the latest Bravo TV gossip. With their trademark candor and humor, they unpack major plot points, the impact of the arrest on Wendy and Eddie, reunion fashion call-outs, production rumors, and cast shake-ups on various franchises.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up: Personal Updates & Valentine's Recap

• Teddi and Tamra share about their weekends, family gatherings, and reserved homebody tendencies.
  • Teddi: “I had to think about it, like, what did we do?” (04:23)
  • Valentine’s Day highlights: late dinner reservations, kids' heart-shaped pasta, and sweet flower gestures.
• They discuss relationships and how personalities balance, particularly in couples with social anxiety.

2. Bravo & Housewives Headlines

• Jill Zarin Ousted from 'Roni' Return:
  • Discussion around Jill’s exit and rumors about Dorinda Medley joining the Golden Girls-esque “reunion” show.
  • Tamra: “Producers said they’re not looking to fill her shoes. I don’t think they’re big shoes…I think they’re flip flops.” (06:13)
• Candy vs. Todd Tucker:
  • Court docs allege Todd is “squatting” in Candy’s guest house and hasn’t paid for maintenance; Tamra jokes, “That’s what you get for marrying a scrub.” (07:59)
  • They chat about squatting laws and homeowner frustrations: “If someone did that to me, I would lose my mind.” (09:20)

3. Bravo’s Alleged “Narrative Integrity Clause”

• Salt Lake City Clause Discussion:
  • A rumored contract clause would penalize cast for leaking or manufacturing off-camera storylines.
  • Teddi: “The cast are NOT allowed to create, influence or leak storylines about the show or other cast members off camera…” (09:29)
  • Debate on the clause’s legitimacy and who might have leaked it if true.

4. RHOP Season 10 Reunion, Part One: Deep Dive

a. Wendy & Eddie’s Legal Troubles

• Teddi and Tamra analyze Wendy’s shift in tone, "lighter, baby voice," and her attempts to process the arrest.
  • Tamra: “Is she trying to blame him so if someone’s got to go away, it’s him?” (17:13)
• Comparison to other franchises and criminal cases (e.g., Joe & Teresa Giudice).
• Mugshot etiquette: Teddi offers serious advice—“Smiling in your mugshot is only going to piss off the judge.” (19:23)
• Emotional Toll:
  • Wendy’s struggles: insomnia, stress, and how incarceration affects marriage and family.
  • Teddi: “She has to call her mother…not a phone call I believe her mother ever thought…” (28:13)
• Ashley’s Fear of Jail:
  • “Jail isn’t contagious, Ashley,” Tamra quips (29:17).

b. Reunion Fashion & Subtle Jabs

• Designer Drama:
  • Ashley calls out Stacey for wearing the same designer—Stacey counters with “it’s a Nigerian designer.” (24:38)
  • Tamra and Teddi discuss whether such jabs are to poke at others or true cultural pride.

c. Facades, Fake Friendships & Catfishing

• Stacey’s On-Camera Persona:
  • Debate on whether Stacey is “performative.” Andy Cohen challenges her on authenticity (29:48).
  • Tia alleges Stacey uses a different voice off-camera; Stacey claps back about Tia’s English accent.
• Catfish & Facetune Confessions:
  • Honest chat about filters, Facetune, and being real online.
  • Tamra: “I don’t think I look like my filter…Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood. Face app.” (43:06)
  • Warning about Facetuning kids’ photos—Tamra: “Don’t do that. There’s no reason. Do not do that.” (43:56)

d. Housewife Ambitions & Regrets

• Angel’s House Purchase:
  • Angel bought a home in Potomac to “lock in” a second season.
  • Teddi: “Would you move your whole life just for the show?” (38:32)
  • Debate over whether Angel’s shy persona fits the franchise and if she should return.
• Learning Curves in the Franchise:
  • “Sometimes your first season is a learning curve…most people deserve a second season.” (41:22)

e. Housewife Status & Bragging Rights

• Wendy’s Bragging:
  • Ashlee and Tamra challenge Wendy’s habit of flaunting titles, wealth, and status.
  • Tamra: “My biggest pet peeve is somebody constantly bragging about clothes, money, career…” (46:18)
  • Teddi: “If that lifestyle was so important…did you live beyond your means to do things you shouldn’t have done?” (47:44)

5. Breaking Bravo News

• Dorinda Medley Confirmed for ‘The Golden Life’:
  • Excitement and speculation about the rebooted lineup.
  • Teddi: “Dorinda stayed in the game. She’s a hard ass worker.” (50:51)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bravo Casting Rumors:
  • Tamra: “Producers aren’t filling Jill’s shoes—they’re flip-flops!” (06:13)
• On Housewives Legal Woes:
  • Teddi: “Smiling in your mugshot…is only going to piss off the judge.” (19:23)
  • Tamra: “Jail isn’t contagious, Ashley. Don’t break the law!” (29:17)
• On Authenticity in Reality TV:
  • Tamra: “That is a mother effing skill—to change a question, turn it around, and make them feel horrible.” (36:21)
• Debate Over Facetuning:
  • Teddi: “My Face App is an actual facelift.” (43:52)
• On Housewife Personas:
  • Teddi: “Sometimes your first season is a learning curve…” (41:22)
• On Bragging and Status:
  • Tamra: “Stop fucking bragging!” (47:24)
• On Supporting Cast Facing Hard Times:
  • Teddi: “Even if I don’t like you, I don’t wish harm on you.” (49:52)
• On New Roni Lineup:
  • Tamra: “Once Dorinda’s in, the show is going to be a success.” (50:55)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:03 | Personal catch-up and Valentine’s Day
• 06:06 | Jill Zarin, RHONY casting shakeup
• 07:22 | Candy & Todd's "squatter" scandal
• 09:29 | Salt Lake City’s alleged narrative integrity clause
• 17:13 | RHOP reunion: Deep dive on Wendy & Eddie’s legal struggles
• 24:38 | Reunion: Designer dress drama & subtle digs
• 29:17 | “Jail isn’t contagious”—Ashley’s fears and reality
• 36:21 | Reality TV “skill”—deflecting questions
• 41:22 | Does Angel have what it takes to be a housewife?
• 46:18 | Wendy, bragging, and what it means to be a housewife
• 50:51 | Dorinda Medley confirmed for Roni reboot

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Summary & Tone

Teddi and Tamra’s recap is sharp, witty, and honest, balancing empathy for the housewives’ struggles with the playful snark fans love. They mix insider wisdom with fan perspective, pulling no punches on topics like housewife legal scandals, reality TV fakery, and the emotional toll of fame. The episode serves up insight for fans and skeptics alike, shining a light on both the drama behind the scenes and the real lives affected by it.

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Note:
For listeners who missed the episode, this summary highlights every juicy detail, hilarious moment, and reality TV life lesson—minus the ads and fluff.

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Two T's in a pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

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Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning. Good morning.

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How are you?

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Good. How was your weekend?

[A]

You know, it's so bad I'd have to actually sit here to think about what the hell did I do this weekend. But I know I did a lot. I drove to see little Frankie and Nicole. We have wedding talk. Their invitations are out. They're getting a lot of yeses for Portugal. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

[C]

So exciting. When is it? August. When was the wedding?

[A]

August 1st. Yep, you're right. August. And it was Valentine's Day. My favorite holiday in the whole world.

[C]

Oh, that's right.

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I was so excited. We had a late reservation at a place called the 1:30 Club. So good there. It was really nice. It was just a really, really nice day. So good weekend.

[C]

How about you? We stayed in. Nico and Sophia were over and we made, you know, heart shaped pasta and things like that and just kind of hung out. And Nico bought me a big bouquet of flowers. And he's so good. He's so sweet. He's literally has bought me flowers like four times.

[A]

He's so cute, Nico.

[C]

That's about it. We didn't really do much. I'm like, I had to think about it, like, what did we do?

[A]

We are so busy with every.

[C]

Yeah. Then I saw Spencer yesterday and in total boy mode, he's like, I took Jordan to Laguna beach for Valentine's Day with no reservations. Listen, he said, try to get in this one. Try to get in this one. And finally got into a restaurant and I'm like, spencer, you have to. It's Valentine's Day.

[A]

You gotta make a girl feel special on Valentine's Day. That's really how I feel. You know, she's lucky.

[C]

She's lucky he got out of the house. So he's a more of a homebody than me.

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I think that if somebody in a relationship is, you know, does wants to do things less than the other, the other person has to push them a little bit.

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She has. She has. Because he's got like a lot of social anxiety.

[A]

Okay.

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So that's why he doesn't.

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I think she's so good for him. She's so sweet and so cute and beautiful.

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She is. She, you know, obviously she wants to film so bad and. And you know, she's a film student, so. And I did not know that. Yeah, she's A film student and wants to be an actress, but he. He's so. He's painfully shy.

[A]

What a total difference, right? To be able to be in front of a camera and to be so shy.

[C]

Yeah. So I'm. I. I ask him. I'm. I'm still working on them, so we'll see opposites attract. I know. Oh, my God. This Jill Zarin stuff is just not going crazy.

[A]

It is not. Yeah.

[C]

As we all know, Jill Zarin is out for the Roni reunion show or whatever they're calling it.

[A]

The Gold. The Golden Life. The Golden Golden Girls.

[C]

Yeah. And they said. The producers are saying they're not looking to feel hurt. They said big shoes, but I don't think they're big shoes. I don't think they're any shoes at all. I think they're flip flops. So TMZ is reporting on this. We're told the show's producers feel the remaining women are more than capable of carrying the show. Anyone else to take over Jill's spot? Other sources also tell us fans could still see familiar faces from the past. From Roni, there's talk that Dorinda's gonna be on it. I haven't personally talked to her, so I don't know if it's true. And it says Dorinda Medley has joined at the reunion show. Why are they calling it a reunion show? That's just weird.

[A]

Well, it's reunion. They're all coming back together. You're thinking reunion. Yeah. While sitting on a couch. But really, the reunion is everybody's back together.

[C]

Yeah. Well, speaking of sitting on a crowd, what about Bethany? Yeah, speaking of sitting on a couch, Candy, she slams Todd Tucker for squatting in her guest house. Just sitting on that couch. He doesn't want to get up. He just wants to stay there, so.

[A]

Well, mama told you.

[C]

I know. According to docs court docs, Candy says Todd's been living in her guest house in Atlanta, which she says is her own property purchased before the marriage. In the dock. She says Todd hasn't paid a seat single expense for maintenance upkeep for the home, including utilities, gas, lawn care, water, pest control, and even fees associated with the alarm system. Candy also claims their kids have had two birthdays, which he has contributed nothing. She also claims work. Well, Candy, that's what you get from marrying a scrub.

[A]

Your mom fought you. I remember watching this with my mom, and my mother used to laugh out loud when her mother used to really go for her. But here's the thing. She was the breadwinner when she married him. Yeah, she was.

[C]

He was in production. It's not like he didn't have a job, but he was in. He was production. I don't know what he did. I don't know if he was producing. He was in production or what.

[A]

And you know, it's like as if a man married a woman who didn't have a job or was the breadwinner when they met. They're not the ones that pay. So this is how their life was set up. You're not going to get it now. You're not. I don't know what the laws are there, but squatting rights is, you know, you could move into somebody's house, not pay rent and wind up damn ass owning it.

[C]

Oh, I know in California they're crazy. Absolutely crazy.

[A]

Yes. Like you can move in if there's a vacant house, a squatter could move in and next thing you know, they own the house, they have the rights and you're paying, you're paying for this.

[C]

It's insanity. If somebody's in your damn house, he get them out.

[A]

Everything. Yeah. So like. And first of all, you know what, that law, I don't like that.

[C]

It's a horrible law.

[A]

I work hard and if somebody did that to me, I would lose. I would lose my mind. And there ain't a damn thing you should do about it.

[C]

It's discouraging to.

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To be a homeowner.

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Want to be a homeowner or buy income property to have Airbnbs or rental properties, which, you know, you know, my parents did that when I was a kid and it was great. It set them up. They had property. Well, they had to get divorced and they had to split them, but. Yeah, but. So anyways, there's an honest anonymous tip that came through. Bravo and Cocktails. I don't know if this is true, but if it's not true, it should be true 100%. It would stop things. So they're saying that renewal letters have gone out to Salt Lake City ladies for season seven and they include a new mega clause which is non negotiable for all new and renewing cast. It's called the narrative integrity clause. Basically, the cast are not allowed to create, influence or leak storylines about the show or other cast members off camera. This includes using third party as a proxy. Any on camera discussions about unverified activities activity will be cut from the final edit and any verified activity is punishable on a scale that includes financial penalties, loss of screen time, demotion and firing. Production isn't messing around. They tried. Yep. I think it should just be that like zero tolerance period.

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This is what's confusing to me. So if this was presented to the cast and Bravo has not announced it, who's the asshole that leaked it?

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Right?

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You're it's about not someone who and

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they got didn't get the memo, didn't actually read the fine Print well if in fact it's true.

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We don't know if it's true.

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whatever it is, I don't know that it's true. Listen, that show just better pull in their reins. Everybody, everybody. The fighting last year got out of hand. You couldn't get through a conversation, you couldn't get through a scene or, you know, there was no resolution anywhere. They're asking for trouble.

[C]

Yeah, well, speaking of trouble, let's jump right into season 10 reunion part one. So they weren't on last week because the. Was it super bowl or something? I can't remember, but it's. Super bowl starts out. Yeah, it starts out with the Wendy and Eddie stuff. And I am so curious to hear what you have to say about this because Wendy and Eddie are talking at home. This obviously was filmed a month after the arrest. Wendy talking in this different, lighter baby voice is almost like she's trying to make us feel sorry for her. And then when Wendy tells Eddie, I don't know how I feel about you. Do you feel like she's trying to blame him and push the blame on him so if somebody has to go away, it's him?

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You can try.

[C]

You can try all you want for

[A]

some other people we know, because I will tell you right now, Joe Giudice begged to take Teresa's sentence.

[C]

A man should cried.

[A]

He stood there and cried and begged and said, I will do double the time. Give me her sentence. That's not how it works.

[C]

No, it doesn't work like that. But did you get that feeling? Just this. I don't know how I feel about you.

[A]

What was the whispering?

[C]

How is our marriage?

[A]

Maybe they're taking the happy Eddies.

[C]

If something was just.

[A]

I don't want to judge anybody during this moment because their whole life is getting ripped out from under them from a dumb mistake.

[C]

Same as a dumb mistake.

[A]

Same as Jill Zarin. Stupid, stupid, stupid. All stupid stuff.

[C]

This is a felony.

[A]

This is a felony much afford avoided because none of neither one of these things that are going on here needed to be done. No one is hungry. No one is trying to feed their. God forbid a million times sick child. What are we doing here, guys? Yeah, what are we doing?

[C]

Well, Wendy thinks it just feels like a bad dream.

[A]

Well, it's not.

[C]

She's like, I can't sleep or eat

[A]

when you're spending the night in jail. And here's the other thing she was talking about. We'll get to that on the. They were talking about their mugshots. Don't smile in your mugshot. Anybody. You want to listen to me? I'm going to give you some advice right now. When you go up in front of the parole board, they're looking at you as if you have remorse. That's the first thing they look for. Smiling in your mugshot is not. Is only going to piss off the judge.

[C]

Can I ask you a question? Do you go and do a mug shot and they're like, oh, no, I don't like that one.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Oh, let's.

[A]

No, they don't do that.

[C]

Right. I think she did it. I seriously doubt the guy behind that camera was like, oh, turn to the right. Show your teeth. Oh, it's not a glamour shot. It's a mug shot. I thought you weren't allowed to smile.

[A]

No, that's only in the Marines. My dad got beat up in the Marines during his. When he smiled during his boot camp where his uniform pictures. No, no. You could do whatever you want. They don't care you're getting arrested. What do you. What do they care? Smile, don't smile. Brush your hair. Don't brush your hair. No, it's not. It's not like your school pictures.

[C]

Okay, so when she says, is this going to affect our marriage? What. What was she. What was the point of that?

[A]

Well, it means a lot of things. Number one, stressful. Oh, you can't. You can't smile for a passport picture.

[C]

Yeah. You can't smile for your. I don't think you smile for your driver's government picture.

[A]

Ye. They don't care. What. You don't care what you do for your mug shot. But the wall of fame. Maybe she was thinking, it'll look better on the wall of fame for Bravo next year when they put the mug shot wall up. But it's getting bigger. It's gross. It's going to be two every year. Every year, two walls.

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So.

[A]

Right. But what. What was the. What did we just say about.

[C]

About.

[A]

Oh, the. The. What did she mean by saying it's

[C]

going to affect our marriage?

[A]

Of course it is. Of course, any stress affects a marriage. Financial stress, death, distress.

[C]

Well, of course it is. Especially when you're locked away in different cells.

[A]

It's going to cost Some money because legal fees are very, very expensive, you know.

[C]

Did you see.

[A]

Wait, did you see Giselle said on tmz. Yeah. And she's like, she better take a plea. She better take it.

[C]

So when you take a plea, you. Does that mean you admit you're guilty? You would take a lesser sentence very often.

[A]

And I've been outside the courtroom with. With somebody where the lawyer is like, if you take a plea, you'll do six months. If not, this goes to trial. And if you lose, and most likely you will, even if you're innocent, if you lose, you're going to do many years. And quite often they take that plea, but sometimes they don't and they lose. I don't remember anyone winning, but it was a long time ago that I was around that stuff, so.

[C]

But did you get that feeling that she was trying to insinuate it was all on Eddie?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I look back now, I didn't think of it at the time because I'm looking at them as both being in trouble. And it doesn't really matter to me if she's put. Trying to put it all on him, because it's not going to matter. Anything she had to do with that writing back in the email when he wrote there was an email? Apparently, yeah. I don't know if that's true.

[C]

What about them showing all the flashbacks of her bragging about her degrees, about her money and all these things as.

[A]

That don't mean shit to me. Nothing means anything. You know what means to me is are you going to do time?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the only thing that means anything to me. And I. I understand they're stupid. It was a dumb thing to do. I hate.

[C]

But why do it like you want to keep up your image of being really rich?

[A]

It's still under investigation. It's still under investigation. And let's see. But you know what I thought of. She. I guess we didn't get to the reunion yet. We're still on this, so we'll move forward because there's stuff to talk about that we might. I don't want to jumble the two things up, but as far as this goes, hey, I still am going to wish them luck. And I hope things work out as much.

[C]

I mean, especially for the children, because. We'll talk about that.

[A]

We're going to talk about that in a minute.

[C]

The reunion kicks off. Ashley says she wore the same designer last year as Stacy has, just in a different color. They do a flashback, and sure enough, it looks familiar.

[A]

Now we're allowed to wear the same designer. A lot of people wear Gucci during the reunion. A lot of people wear. I wore Mark Bauer. I'm sure somebody else along the way is worn Mark Bauer. You know, I mean, it's a dig.

[C]

But now Stacy. Stacy instantly says something like, it's a Nigerian designer.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Is that what she said?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Do you think she's just using, like, talking about this because she's trying to get under their skin, like, naming her, you know, cannabis line. That and talking about her dresses and saying she's been like. Do you think, like, she's really that into it, or is it just a way to poke at these girls to get them annoyed?

[A]

I. I want to feel like she's poking at them.

[C]

I know, right?

[A]

Let's put it this way. She's not avoiding. She knows what's coming if she uses it. Like, you know, when we post something or when I do, I'm always considerate of, oh, this one's fighting with this one. Oh, wait, no, I can't say that in the caption because there's something going on right now about that word was said. And it. She's in trouble for, like, I am always very detailed in being very considerate about not pushing a button or getting involved in something I don't want to get involved in. And I. And I proofread everything.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I have to say, Tamara, I. I want to believe, because Wendy did say she's smart. She's smart. I think Stacey's busting their balls.

[C]

Very smart. And I think she's busting everybody's balls, and I think it's hilarious.

[A]

She's poking the bear.

[C]

Andy gets right into bringing up their rest and wanted to update from wow.

[A]

Right out of the.

[C]

Right, Right out of. Yeah, right. Wendy says the investigation is still ongoing. Carter, when his son found out about the arrest on social media. So I always thought that they were woken up in the middle of the night, but evidently, Wendy not during the day. And Eddie takes his gummies during the day, which is confusing to me.

[A]

I don't know about that gummy stuff.

[C]

I don't know. So. Because she says, like, he. Didn't she say he was kind of looped or something like that? But she wasn't.

[A]

She said he was absolutely sleeping in his cell.

[C]

So I was sleeping in his cell. Okay, okay. I'm missing.

[A]

He was. I just want to say, I'm not falling asleep in my cell if I just got arrested.

[C]

Hell to the no. I ain't falling asleep. I'm going to have my eyes wide open.

[A]

Took a couple of happy Eddies in the middle of the day because how do you fall asleep? How does somebody get you to crack a smile? How. What's going on here? I'm glad.

[C]

I love the way. I know. I love the way slightly, because I

[A]

would be shitting my pants.

[C]

She said she didn't go to the bathroom while she was there. And then she said that. I didn't know this, but in jail, they turn the lights out when they want you to go to bed. I was like, where do you think you are? The Four Seasons?

[A]

You lose all freedom.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. No, you lose all rights.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You are told when to sleep, when to eat, when to go for a walk, what to eat. I mean.

[C]

Yeah, you have. Yeah. No decisions.

[A]

They're all made for you, you know? And she lives a very, very cushy life. But who did she call when she needed somebody to grab the kids for her? Her mother and her sister. Not the father in Nigeria to come over. The mom who you pissed off because you wanted to. I'm just saying as a. I wonder

[C]

what the mom's thinking right now.

[A]

You know, I really thought about that. I really. The mom's a tough bird.

[C]

She's tough. But this kind of stuff is hard on parents. Hard, like, to see your kid, like, go away to jail, whatever, you know,

[A]

she raised her girls, put them through school, worked many jobs to have them grown up. She has her PhD. She's a doctor. Her mom paid for her education as a single mother. And here she has to call her mother and say, mom, I just got pulled out of my house. I'm in jail. Please go pick up the kids. It's not something. It's not a phone call. I believe her mother ever thought that's

[C]

not a phone call I'd ever want receive.

[A]

No. But here's Ashley sitting on the couch saying, I'm so afraid of going to jail. That's my biggest fear.

[C]

Like, it's contagious.

[A]

Ashley. My biggest fear is being stuck in a fucking elevator.

[C]

My fear is like being. Like being on fire. Drowning.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Like something happened to my children.

[A]

Getting a bad call in the middle of the night. I don't fear going to jail. I avoid anything that would ever possibly cause such a thing.

[C]

So Ashley said that since two cast members have got. Gotten arrested, she's very fearful. And I'm like, jail isn't contagious.

[A]

It's not like they're. It's not like they're don't break the law because they didn't do anything.

[C]

Don't break the law. It's very simple, right?

[A]

Yeah. It was just a weird comment to me. Yeah. You know, I don't think she's doing anything wrong at all except breaking some men's hearts, which is. I have not. I don't think you're going to jail for that. You're good, but I just think that it was just.

[C]

Ashley's so damn cute. She'll never go to jail.

[A]

I don't give a shit what you look like.

[C]

She's so cute. So then the conversation turns to Stacy, and people think that, well, Andy asked her if she is perf, like, performative, like, on the show. Is this performance? Is this how you really talk? Is this how you really act? Because, you know, when we see Stacy triggered, we see a different side of her. That comes out Detroit.

[A]

I've seen it enough. I have not seen that enough. Is a different story.

[C]

Oh, yeah, and I love me some Patterson Dolores.

[A]

I know you do because you like that.

[C]

I love that shit.

[A]

But. But Detroit Stacey Toodaloo. That's not Detroit. Stacey. Stop it. She has not showed her colors. Unless they're not there. I have not seen Detroit station.

[C]

Well, Tia revealed that Stacey has a different voice off camera, but Stacy came for her.

[A]

Stacy stood her own. Stacy's, like, speaking of the one who's been married and been here for, what, 20 years? 10, however long you've been here. And you still have this very heavy accent. I happen to be with a man who had a very heavy accent when I met him four years ago.

[C]

Still does, doesn't he?

[A]

No, no, It's.

[C]

It's. It's really. Are you. It was stronger than that because I just spent time with you guys, and I'm like. Sometimes I look at Paul and go, huh? What'd you say?

[A]

Because he uses the. Say that again. Say it again. I tink.

[C]

I tink.

[A]

I think I tink so. But no. Oh, my God. That's nothing. And I do feel like Tia has a very, very heavy English accent that I'm surprised is still as heavy as it is having American children as well. Really?

[C]

I never really thought about that.

[A]

But anyway, that's neither here nor there. I like an English accent.

[C]

I love an English accent.

[A]

Love it.

[C]

Let's see. Tia talks about meeting Timo. She's confused. Why say she lied about what? Timo didn't come to the dinner.

[A]

Big deal. Big deal. This was all I don't care crap. Big deal. We've all lied. Why our significant other isn't going somewhere for a reason. And very easy. Didn't feel like coming. Well, oh, I've done it.

[C]

I've done it for Eddie, honestly, where he's like, I do not want to be around those people. Like, I don't always

[A]

want to go, no.

[C]

Okay. So Stacy said she filed for a divorce, but production shows a flat flashback that. Did it say that Teo was the one that filed for divorce, the plaintiff?

[A]

No. I thought I read that, too.

[C]

But why would you lie about the smallest stuff like that when it can be proven?

[A]

You know, we've tried to stick up for Stacy quite a bit. We really have given her the benefit of the doubt over and over again. So, I mean. Yeah. Does she not know what that means,

[C]

Plaintiff, you know, when you file for divorce?

[A]

Well, Giselle said it's a fake thing. It's fake.

[C]

I. I just love Giselle. I really do. After spending some time with her, I freaking love that girl. Wendy says that Stacy's choosing Shayo as her company name was a way to get back at Wendy and Eddie for bringing up the TJ rumor. Now, they did say something about TJ in the very beginning. Like, did Teemo know TJ or something like that? Or was she cheating on him? She denied that they had asked.

[A]

So when. So they were. Stacy was on home. What. What is it? The. The thing. She had qvc. Stacy was on QVC with tj.

[C]

I didn't realize she was on with tj.

[A]

I did not either. Like, did we know that last year? No, we didn't know that.

[C]

Nobody just found that out. Okay. So I thought, God, am I crazy? I am. But I don't remember.

[A]

No one mentioned that they worked together, and that's how they had met. So then Andy said, is that. How did he ever meet him? And I think she said, yes. But, I mean, who believes what at this point? Point it honestly doesn't matter because TJ's gone, and nobody ever really got to the bottom of whether or not he was paid or they did. It's just crazy. It's crazy because Stacy's gotten away with a lot.

[C]

She has. And she does it in such a. I don't know, just such a sweet, nice way. And then Giselle doesn't think Stacy is that deep or smart. I. I disagree with that. I think Stacy is very smart. She's way smarter than she lets on. I think she is. She's kind of controlling these girls.

[A]

So her answer to Wendy Osefa, when she said to her. I think that the way you acted towards me was getting me and Eddie back at revealing that TJ said you paid him, even though TJ called and TJ said it on camera, the whole thing. And he was. She was like, well, I'm really. That's an interesting way to look at it. Like something to that effect. Like she didn't say. Not true. True. She gave a very diplomatic answer. Maybe we should all go to QVC training.

[C]

Right? Like, that's like answering a question without answering a question.

[A]

That was a. I know people like that.

[C]

And people like that are very calculated.

[A]

Yeah, very.

[C]

And they're. To me, they're the biggest challenge when it comes to having a disagreement or having a debate with them. Because I'm not wired like that. Somebody asked me a question, I just answer it. I don't turn it around. Like, that's a skill. That is a mother effing skill to be able to change that question, turn it around on the other person and make them feel horrible.

[A]

She doesn't lose her cool.

[C]

It's Jabba.

[A]

Her wits stay about her. She doesn't get emotional. So she's very rational.

[C]

Yeah, but she switches things. Like, you ask her a question, she doesn't even freaking answer it. And then you. Which comes out of her mouth, you just shake your head, go ahead and

[A]

be like, what happened? So far fetched. It's a lot. She's lying. It's so far fetched, I don't even feel like dealing with it.

[C]

It's a talent, that's for sure.

[A]

What made. What made her say that? I. Is Giselle and Tia close or. Listen, Giselle's the star. We know this, right?

[C]

Yes, she is.

[A]

She is the star. She gets things going.

[C]

But I know it was. Stacy thinks Tia reports back to Giselle and.

[A]

And so then Giselle said, well, you're Wendy. Wendy's your master.

[C]

I think that's just being a good housewife. Like, I don't think it's like she's her master.

[A]

Listen, everybody's going to throw shade at relationships. It's just whatever. Do I think Tia would do that? I don't know. Maybe. I think Tia is trying hard to stay in the loop now that she's got a taste of it.

[C]

No, we do find out that angel bought a house in Potomac and she's

[A]

got a second season because she would. She.

[C]

But does she see? I don't know. I. I think the season was so bad for her. Well, that's what I'm saying. Is she going to Regret this.

[A]

Well,

[C]

I don't know. I mean, she.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you. She.

[C]

She's probably back then, I would imagine.

[A]

But if you heard what of House twice before, Thinking they're getting on a show and they put a deposit on a house and they'll call production and say, am I on next season? Before I sign this contract, let me know.

[C]

That's a way of trying to find out before you find out, am I fired or not.

[A]

Buying like a few million dollar house, like a couple million dollars.

[C]

Yeah, but that's the thing.

[A]

Or moving your whole life and your whole children, family.

[C]

I would never do that. I would never do that. Like, I'm not going to go buy a house just so I can be like, oh, I look like I have

[A]

this nice house and not this so bad.

[C]

Tamara, they want go rent one and figure out if it works out for you and if it doesn't like what she was doing. I don't know. I thought. I personally like Angel. I feel like she really got attacked this season. She didn't have a fair shake, but I was worried that she's not going to come back because the girls don't seem to like her. Except for Tia.

[A]

Well, you know, there's a thing that they say, so there's. Do you think K and angel are madness and sadness? That's what the fans were saying. Whatever.

[C]

I don't get that. I don't know why they said that. What does that even mean?

[A]

Because. Because angel sad and Angels always moping around.

[C]

Well, I think somebody just wanted a moment. Madness and sadness.

[A]

All right. Yeah. But whatever, whatever. I don't know if this is good for Angel. And quite frankly, angel, they're not letting you in. Stay home with your nice husband. He seems nice to you. They think.

[C]

I just don't want to see her get attacked again because I can tell it really, really affected her emotionally. And I've had, you know, a little conversation with her at Bravo Khan, and I felt really bad for her and I think that she. It seems like.

[A]

Wait, get back. Step back. You talked to her at BravoCon? I didn't even see her.

[C]

Yeah, I talked to her at that first party. They had that private party with all of us. And, you know, we just had a little conversation and, you know, she was really kind of having a hard time with how things were playing out and how she was being treated. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't want to say more than that, but she just seems like she was so lovely, so sweet, and I just felt bad for the way she was treated. Like, nobody needs to be treated like that just because something fell apart with your business. And maybe she didn't do all the right things, but let's not beat this woman. Like, I don't think that's necessary.

[A]

Then, then the fake reviews on, on

[C]

her business, it's like.

[A]

And that just goes to show you that the, the fans aren't on, you know, her side either. Listen, I, I'm telling you right now, I don't see this turning around for Angel. I don't think it's, it's a great idea for her.

[C]

I want to see if she does come back. I want to see her how she was with like her husband or her. Was it her sister or friends she was talking to when she called somebody butthole lips or something. I want to see that girl.

[A]

I don't see this. I don't see the, the fight in her. I don't see the, the housewife. I don't see. See it.

[C]

You know, sometimes your first season is a learning. Sometimes your first season is a learning curve. So I think that most people do deserve a second season because not everybody just falls into the role of, you know, being a housewife and, and does it right. Or speaks up or isn't hesitant. Some people are intimidated and they need to find their, their ground.

[A]

It's a no for me.

[C]

It's a no for dollar.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. Well, angel did have a little comeback with Ashley and Ashley says I could live in Potomac area if I chose to. And angel goes, oh, sure you could. And I thought so. Then we're off to the catfish comment, which, oh my God, this is like the fatty photo. Like we're gonna. They talked about it all. Everybody long. Leave it alone.

[A]

Everyone does. I wish I didn't have to.

[C]

We all do.

[A]

And trust me, I don't think I look like my filter. And you know what? I'm not. I'm not showing people 10 year old photos of me saying that that's what I look like now.

[C]

No, listen, facetune. No face up. Yes, I do difference.

[A]

I don't do it. Paul does it.

[C]

Face app is the best. You still look like yourself. Face applied. Anybody that doesn' half face app needs it. It'll brighten your picture. It will. You can do all kinds of things, but I mean, you can go all the way to be looking like a, a mannequin doll. But I. You don't do that. You know, Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood. Face out.

[A]

That's it. It just, it smooths the face that's it. I'm not putting a different head on my body.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm not.

[C]

I mean, you can do everything in face app.

[A]

Like, and by the way, everything have Face App. I have no app. I have no fix a wrap. If it doesn't, someone doesn't do it for me, it doesn't get done. And when I post a story or something, I'm not doing it. I'm not interested in doing it. I don't know how to do it, and I'm not learning how to do it.

[C]

Yeah. If you guys have facetune, get rid of it. Face app is so much better. So much. You can even face app your videos. Yeah, yeah. So you like when you do, like, sponsored posts or things like that, you put a face app filter on your video and it just kind of brightens you up and just. I don't know, it just makes you look like it looks more professional.

[A]

But anyways, my face app is an actual facelift. That's what I have. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. We all need one of those once in a while. I feel like I'm feeling it. Dr. Carolac, Stacy says she facetunes her dog. Not the dog. I think she. I hope she was joking. The one thing that I can't stand is when people face face. It's usually facetune people, because when they do their kids, like, don't facetune your kids. Don't do that. There's no reason. Do not do that. I think that angel did a good job speaking up for herself at the reunion so far. Do you think she did pretty good, considering when she was able to.

[A]

I think when Angel's given the chance to actually talk, which she really has not gotten the chance to do that yet, I think she speaks well and clear and make sense, but for me, I just can't get past the monotone, you know, it's just like I said, she's a very sweet person. I don't see the housewife in her.

[C]

Okay, fair enough.

[A]

And there's nothing wrong with that.

[C]

Fair enough.

[A]

This is not for everyone. This isn't.

[C]

Yeah, it's not. It really isn't. And if you are a good housewife, it's not really a big flex in real life.

[A]

Right. Either way, watch what you wish for, Angel.

[C]

Exactly. Andy brings up Ashley's comment on Wendy's mug shot. Wendy says that she would never make a joke like that. Yes, she would. Wendy is so shady. She would absolutely make.

[A]

Wendy makes no has no holds barred. And then when you get in trouble like this, Guess what? The hens come home to roost.

[C]

Yes. But why Ashley, just admit, like, yeah, I was being shady. Like, yeah, you know what? If you go get a mug shot, which you will never, and you're smiling, I would say something too. I would be like, who is this fool? What does she think she's doing?

[A]

Don't smile during your mug shot.

[C]

When Ashley brings up Wendy starting the show, always bragging about her accomplishment. I have always seen Wendy as a bragger. It's. And to me, one of my biggest pet peeves is somebody that's constantly bragging about their clothes, their money, their status, their career.

[A]

Like, but you like Step. You like Stephanie Soji.

[C]

I just. I do, I do.

[A]

And she does a lot of that, which I love Stephanie.

[C]

Don't get me wrong. She does. I'm.

[A]

In a way.

[C]

And she just does it in a way that I just love her. See, she really does. The thing is on the way to do it.

[A]

No, if it's.

[C]

What is it?

[A]

You like somebody, you look at what they look different.

[C]

You look past it.

[A]

You must maybe not be so thrilled about Wendy.

[C]

Kind of like when me and Eddie first started dating, I didn't mind the loud eating, and now it's like, I'm gonna punch you in the throat.

[A]

So you like them less. Well, we all like each other less down the road. Right, right, right.

[C]

I'm kidding.

[A]

I love him.

[C]

So there was a lot in terms of accomplishments and all these things. Now that Wendy is in a position, she is. Do you think she should be talk taking anybody? Like, she. You think she should be talking about accomplishment? Do you think she should be bragging about her stuff? Like, I think she. This is, if anything, a huge learning lesson. Like, stop fucking bragging.

[A]

Well, here's the thing. If that lifestyle was so important and money was so important, did you, of course, live beyond your means to cause you to have to do things that you shouldn't have done, to live a lifestyle that you could not afford?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it worth it? No.

[C]

No, it's not. I mean, I knew instantly when she started saying, you know, right out of the gate that Happy Eddie was so successful and all these things, and they're just rolling in the dough. And I'm like, okay, I know I have a cannabis company, and yes, it is a huge money maker. But also, if you're a good business person, you put the money back into the business for at least the first four years, and you just grow it and grow it and grow it. You don't spend it.

[A]

Right. But she likes a very glamorous life. She does. And. And that's a big new money kind of thing. I wonder what Eddie's family's thinking now, because, you know, they don't really like her.

[C]

Oh, really? I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah. Go back to her 40th birthday when they invited.

[C]

Oh, that's family.

[A]

And then they started talking and. And that was like the first time they had talked in so long. And.

[C]

Oh, I. Okay. So I find Eddie very enduring. I think he's very sweet. I love him. Eddie interviewed him and said he was so good and just such a nice. So very down to earth. And then Wendy has always kind of like annoyed me. And that's okay. I don't mean I don't like her. Just kind of annoyed with the bragging all the time. But then I met her at.

[A]

Bragging doesn't bother me. I like, okay, I want to hear what you paid for something. I love to hear that. So I know in case it's not horrible.

[C]

It's not a horrible thing.

[A]

See, that's something that doesn't faze me. I love to hear people brag.

[C]

Really. And then I met her and she was very sweet and kind. So hard. Which just goes to show, like, you really can't change, judge people from tv. Like, I remember Eddie, like, Lance Armstrong was always his hero, always. And you know, Eddie's a cyclist. He'd have Lance posters when I met him, all over his garage and all that stuff. And then, you know, he met him and said he was the biggest asshole he ever met.

[A]

I've heard that about him.

[C]

Biggest asshole.

[A]

It's not the first time I've ever heard that. Listen, there are people that have not had a good experience meeting Wendy Oseffa. I personally have. I happen to like her and Eddie very much.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And because of that, even if I don't like you, I don't wish harm on you. And I don't. And I. And I hope that things work out because I, you know, when you wish bad on somebody, it's like spitting in the wind. Even if they deserved it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's on them to deal with. Not for us to say, huh? So glad that happened to you. No, no. I don't look at somebody and say,

[C]

listen, at the end of the day, I hope that they're innocent and this is all some kind of weird. I don't know. I don't even know what you want to call it.

[A]

It's still under investigation.

[C]

Still under investigation. Innocent until proven guilty.

[A]

I wonder if They're. But. Okay, okay. Let's just move.

[C]

Oh, we have some breaking news on E. They officially confirmed Dorinda Medley will be joining the golden life following Jill Aaron.

[A]

We knew that was.

[C]

I. I have not talked to her, but I am super happy for her. Super. I'm gonna have to call her.

[A]

Good for her. Listen, Dorinda stayed in the game. She's a hard ass worker.

[C]

Well, I'm gonna tell you now, now that Dorinda's in the game, this show is going to be a success.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[C]

It's gonna. At first, I was kind of like with.

[A]

Let's go down the lineup. We have Kelly, Ben, Simone.

[C]

Yes. We have Ramona, Luanna, Sonia.

[A]

Dorinda.

[C]

Dorinda.

[A]

That.

[C]

That's a great lineup. That's a good lineup. Yep.

[A]

As Bethany wishing she was there.

[C]

I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't hate it if Bethany was on. I mean, she gets on my nerves. But I wouldn't hate it because she's good tv.

[A]

You can't be old Roni. I'm sorry. You cannot.

[C]

I hope that they're going to do it differently than like Housewives. I hope it's like a different business model. You know what I mean? Like, if it's just like Housewives, it's going to be compared to the original always. They need to change it up.

[A]

What if they brought back Tinsley? Isn't she the reason Dorinda was let go for fighting with Tinsley? Remember all that?

[C]

Yeah. Me, me and Dorinda have had deep conversations about that.

[A]

And.

[C]

And I'm on Dorinda's side. 100.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, we'll see.

[C]

All right. All right. Well, thank you guys for tuning in to another episode. First part of the reunion was great. I believe we have two more.

[A]

Oh, two more.

[C]

Yeah. Can't wait for Karen to come out. I don't know if it's going to be on part two or part three, but that's gonna be good.

[A]

She's got some advice for Wendy.

[C]

Oh, snap.

[A]

Shut the up. She says shut the up.

[C]

All right, guys, thank you for tuning in.

[A]

Thanks for tuning. This is an I heart podcast.

[E]

Guaranteed human.