Jen Shah Out In the Wild (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Jen Shah Out In the Wild" (RHOSLC Recap)

Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Tamra Judge & Dolores

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Tamra Judge and guest co-host Dolores break down Season 6, Episode 13 of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC)—but the real headline is Jen Shah's sudden release from prison. The duo dig into speculation about Jen's future, recap the latest RHOSLC drama, and riff on everything from Cartier watches to reunion wardrobe woes, Lisa Barlow’s glam routines, and the confusing lack of plane footage. As always, their honest, housewife-to-housewife banter keeps things real and relatable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking News: Jen Shah Released from Prison

[03:38 – 06:32]

• Immediate Reactions: The news of Jen Shah’s release after 33 months behind bars leads the show.
  • “I'm not quite sure if that is the actual picture of her walking out of jail, but there's..." (Dolores, 03:54)
  • Tamra sees a sit-down with Jen coming: “I think they'll do a sit down with her.” (Tamra, 04:27)
• Will She Return to Bravo?
  • Both predict she won’t rejoin RHOSLC, but anticipate media interest in her story.
  • “Somebody's going to pick that up and they're going to want to ask her why she did what she did…” (Tamra, 05:46)
• Moral Discussion: Tamra makes it clear: “When you steal from old people… that’s a problem for me… and dogs and women.” (Tamra, 04:45)

2. Is Jen Back with Her Family?

[06:11 – 06:32]

• Quick chat over whether Jen goes home or to a halfway house. They speculate she likely returns to her children and supportive husband.
• “I'm glad that Jen Shaw is home to her children and her husband, who seems like a nice guy.” (Tamra, 06:26)

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3. The Elusive Plane Footage & RHOSLC Mysteries

[06:45 – 09:32]

• Heather Gay's appearance on Watch What Happens Live triggers debate on missing footage of a supposed fight during a flight—shades of past mysteries like the unresolved black eye.
  • “Why is there no footage on the plane?... She kind of skated around it, like there’s going to be more answers at the reunion.” (Dolores, 06:51)
  • Tamra: “That plane ride would have been landed had it been New Jersey.” (08:10)
• Both agree that the lack of clarity or resolution—like the “black eye” storyline—frustrates viewers and adds to the show's mystique.

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4. Reunion Fashion Pains and Petite Woes

[09:02 – 10:58]

• Dolores and Tamra vent about shopping struggles for reunion looks:
  • “They literally tell you a few weeks prior…and you gotta get one that somebody else isn’t getting…” (Dolores, 09:09)
  • Banter over clothing sizes and different body types—“When you’re a size 0, you can buy whatever you want…I have to wear stretch material.” (Tamra, 09:45)
• Humorous aside about swapping and re-gifting dresses:
  • “You wore that brown dress recently and… I gave it to my sister-in-law. I will never look like that.” (Tamra, 10:33)

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5. Santorini Trip, Cartier Watch Drama, and Petty Fights

[11:06 – 14:50]

• The group arrives in Santorini, and Tamra raves about the location.
• Recap of a petty (hilarious) feud over a Cartier watch between Lisa and Angie at the airport:
  • “This is the kind of fights that I live for on Housewives.” (Dolores, 12:20)
  • Mary interjects: “Who’s fighting over an old lady watch?” (paraphrased, 12:46)
  • Skepticism over Heather buying two $6,000 watches to 'one-up' Lisa: “If you’re that flippant about just going to… the airport and buying a $6,000 watch, and then complaining that you’re having money problems, like, what is going on here?” (Dolores, 13:16)
• Plausibility? “If you really did that, Heather, just to bust Lisa’s balls, that was really stupid.” (Tamra, 13:50)

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6. Lisa Barlow: The Housewife Who Lives for Glam

[20:36 – 21:58]

• Lisa’s dedication to daily glam routines amuses both hosts:
  • “So she never just stays home in her sweats and just watches TV?” (Dolores, 20:47)
  • “I like my nice things. She’s a character… like her or not, a good housewife.” (Tamra, 21:16)
• Lisa’s ‘influencing’ powers even get Dolores shopping: “I was instantly on Gucci website ordering stuff and I’m like, what am I doing?” (Dolores, 21:46)

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7. Bronwyn’s Emotional Rollercoaster

[22:09 – 24:21]

• Angie prods Bronwyn about Greek men; Bronwyn’s inconsistent narrative—open marriage, love, rings off, then “everything's perfect”—confuses the group.
• Concern for her state:
  • “Bronwyn looks so unwell. I would take her aside and say… are you okay right now?” (Tamra, 22:40)
  • “She leads the woman down one road and then taking a different path at the end.” (Dolores, 23:26)

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8. Heather Gay: Direct or Just too Housewifey?

[25:30 – 26:42]

• Surprised that Heather seeks advice from Mary, since she’s typically direct.
  • “Heather’s not that girl who really asks for advice. She seems very sure of herself.” (Dolores, 25:30)
• Audience and friends feeling Heather is getting “too petty, too hard on Lisa.” (Tamra, 25:58)
• Both agree: some of the drama is starting to feel “scripted” or “overproduced.”
  • “A lot of people are saying it just feels a little too scripted.” (Dolores, 27:12)

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9. Dinner Drama: Group Confrontations vs. One-on-Ones

[29:07 – 31:24]

• Discussing group fights at dinner: the futility of trying to resolve issues with everyone present.
  • “I would have liked to see them have a private conversation.” (Tamra, 29:54)
  • “Things aren’t getting resolved and we’re getting lost in the actual subject at hand… it never goes away.” (Tamra, 30:54)

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10. Whitney’s Tears, Bullying Accusations & Recurring Storylines

[31:25 – 34:20]

• Whitney’s confusion and emotional outburst over Meredith’s treatment of Britney during the plane incident sparks skepticism.
  • “I’m like lost again. I’m lost because now we have three different things going on that could have been handled in three separate scenes.” (Tamra, 32:10)
  • “Everything she said was so dramatic and didn’t make any sense.” (Dolores, 39:57)
  • “Is it bothering Whitney because she didn’t do something about it? That I could understand.” (Tamra, 39:26)
• The group feels the show is recycling unresolved plotlines (e.g., the "black eye"), which frustrates both hosts.

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11. Britney’s Stuffed Animals: Shtick or Genuine?

[40:53 – 42:14]

• Amused confusion over Britney’s assortment of stuffed animals, with speculation about whether it’s genuine or a new “unicorn moment” for attention.

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12. Fan Reactions and Ending Thoughts

[45:00 – 47:22]

• Hosts read and react to Instagram fan comments:
  • “The girls gotta get off Barlow’s jock.”
  • “Lisa needs to grow some balls and stand up to Meredith.”
  • “Mary is the compass. Lisa needs to detox from glam.”
• Predictions for upcoming episodes: Interest in seeing Bronwyn’s storyline resolved at the reunion, and wondering what's really behind the "water" conversation (possible code?).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jen Shah’s release:

  • “When you steal from old people… that’s a problem for me.” (Tamra, 04:45)

• On petty watch drama:

  • “This is the kind of fights that I live for on Housewives.” (Dolores, 12:20)
  • “Who’s fighting over an old lady watch?” (Mary, paraphrased by Dolores, 12:46)

• On Lisa’s glam obsession:

  • “She’s a character… like her or not, a good housewife.” (Tamra, 21:16)

• On emotional confusion:

  • “Bronwyn looks so unwell. I would take her aside and say… are you okay right now?” (Tamra, 22:40)
  • “Everything she said was so dramatic and didn’t make any sense to me.” (Dolores, 39:57)

• On unresolved storylines:

  • “If this is the black eye all over again, I’m going to be livid. No proof, no answers, no nothing.” (Dolores, 43:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Breaking Jen Shah news & speculation: 03:38 – 06:32
• Plane footage & missing receipts/mysteries: 06:45 – 09:32
• Reunion fashion and body type talk: 09:02 – 10:58
• Santorini trip & Cartier drama: 11:06 – 14:50
• Lisa Barlow glam & influencer effect: 20:36 – 21:58
• Bronwyn concern & confusion: 22:09 – 24:21
• Heather's motivations/housewifey-ness: 25:30 – 26:42
• Dinner: confrontation format debate: 29:07 – 31:24
• Whitney’s crying & the group’s narrative struggle: 31:25 – 34:20
• Britney’s stuffed animals/weird schtick?: 40:53 – 42:14
• Fan reactions and episode wrap-up: 45:00 – 47:22

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Conversational, witty, and unfiltered: Tamra and Dolores don’t hold back honest opinions or sly commentary.
• Housewife-insider perspective: Their personal experience provides relatable insights into Housewives production, reunion fashion woes, and cast drama navigation.
• Real Housewives fatigue: Both express some exasperation with dragged-out mysteries, overproduction, and recycled conflicts, but their playful banter brings levity and warmth.
• Looking ahead: They're eager for Bronwyn’s storyline to resolve and skeptical but curious about what “water” conversation really means.

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Summary prepared for listeners who want every inside scoop, juicy quote, and Housewives hot take straight from the pod!

Transcript

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[Dolores]

Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of two.

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Today we are going to be recapping Season 6, Episode 13 of Salt Lake City. But there is breaking news today with Salt Lake City City. I'm sure you've heard it, Dolores. Jen Shaw has been released from prison.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yes, I saw that. I saw that.

[Dolores]

After 33 months of being behind bars, she has been released. There is a picture. I'm not quite sure if that is the actual person picture of her walking out of jail, but there's.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody's got to get that.

[Dolores]

Somebody's gonna get that. It's going to be interesting to see what happens next with Jen Shaw.

Do you think.

I mean, Andy has been very vocal that she will not be back on Salt Lake City, but do you think now I'm just predicting this, they're going to do a sit down with her?

[Tamara Judge]

I do.

[Dolores]

I do, too.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think she'll be back on. Was adamant about her not being back on, and I get that. But yeah, I think they'll do a sit down with her.

[Dolores]

I think somebody will pick her up on some capacity. Like she'll be on something.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, when you steal from old people. Yeah. That's a different thing. Like, you know, old people and kids. It's a problem for me. You can add to that. And dogs and women.

[Dolores]

Well, any kind of criminal activity is a problem for me.

[Tamara Judge]

It's a problem. No, listen, I agree with you. I. I'm clean. I don't get in trouble. I don't break the rules. You know that. I don't.

[Dolores]

Oh, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I am not a rule breaker and I follow the law. Yep.

[Dolores]

And why is it so hard for some of these housewives or just people in general, just to follow the damn law?

[Tamara Judge]

You know, it's human nature. What it.

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[Tamara Judge]

What's the only thing that makes us different from the wild and you know, animals and us, we have laws.

[Dolores]

Yeah, so true. But it's just. It's just mind blowing to me. So we don't know what's next for Jen Shaw, but I'm sure we're going to see her on TV in some capacity, don't you think?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I do. Of course I do. Somebody's going to pick that up and they're going to want to ask her why she did what she did, if she is sorry she did what she did. You know, all the same things that you always hear, we are going to hear from Jen Shaw. And you know what, you know, aside from what she did, I am glad she is home for her children.

[Dolores]

Do you think she's going home?

[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. Time served. You usually get to go home.

[Dolores]

You should get to get a home.

[Tamara Judge]

So I'm glad that Jen Shaw is home to her children and her husband, who seems like a nice guy.

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[Dolores]

Do you think he waited for her? Do you think they're going to stay together?

[Tamara Judge]

I do, you know, Yeah, I do.

[Dolores]

It'll be interesting to see.

[Tamara Judge]

From what I remember of their marriage, he seemed like. He was like, yeah, I don't know.

[Dolores]

So did you happen to catch watch what happens live last night? Heather Gay was on. She.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't.

[Dolores]

Well, I just saw the clip and there was. Why would. There was a clip about Andy asking her about why is there no footage on the plane? And she said, oh, like, we're gonna do this now, like, huh? And she kind of skated around it, like, there's going to be more answers at the reunion. But then she goes on to say, well, you know, we jumped down Britney's throat last year because she was filming on the Sprinter van. So then that leads me to believe, like, well, maybe there isn't any footage. I thought maybe they're holding off footage for the reunion. So I'm a little bit confused. I don't know if there is footage, not footage, but.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, am I missing the exact details of what happened? Did anybody explain that she was kicking her chair and doing all this stuff? Did anybody. I want to hear from Britney. And I still. I mean, she did, but.

[Dolores]

But the thing, she was pulling her.

[Tamara Judge]

Hair and she was kicking the chair and things like that and spilled wine on her. And then by the end of the plane ride, she was hysterical crying.

[Dolores]

That's what they're saying.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what they're saying for her, however, that plane ride would have been landed had it been New Jersey.

[Dolores]

Well, that's what I keep thinking, like. Yeah. It just all doesn't make any sense, but it's right up there with the black eye. Remember the. When Heather had the black eye and she couldn't get an answer? So I feel like on this show, like, people, I don't know, why are they protecting. Are they. It's just so weird. It's so weird. Well, let's get into Salt Lake City.

[Tamara Judge]

My goodness, these girls, you know, that's good tv. I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, you're hiding the. You're fighting over Cartier watches, but you're not going to tell us if somebody was getting punched, you know, kicked and pulled their hair on a plane. You don't want to talk about that.

[Dolores]

I know, I know. So that the girls in Salt Lake City did film the reunion, I think, last week. Did you happen to see their looks? Yeah, I mean, they weren't the best.

[Tamara Judge]

In Italian, we call it pizza Sensational. Like pizza with no salt. It was just plain. Kind of like.

[Dolores]

It was kind of plain. But then, like, I think about how hard it is to find a reunion dress. You guys don't even know, like, they literally tell you a few weeks, few weeks, maybe three weeks prior, and they're like, you need one in this color, this color, this color. And then you gotta get one that somebody else isn't getting. And then you gotta find it. And it's always like ours were like spring colors in fall. So it's never as easy as you think it is.

[Tamara Judge]

You're a size two. Okay. Try to fit me.

[Dolores]

I'm actually size zero.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Size zero. Okay, I'm gonna take that back. I'm sorry. You look like a size 0. I just didn't know that you.

[Dolores]

02.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not like I usually like, say those size 0. It's like doesn't. It's not in my vocabulary. Okay. You're a size 2. A size 0. I've never been a size 2 or a size 0, even when I was born. So I'm just gonna say like, when you're a size 0, you could buy whatever the you want. When you're like built like a big butt and a big boobs and like, you know, it's harder, not easy to dress. I have to wear stretch material. The material has to be right.

[Dolores]

Like, I love stretch material just for comfort. But I'm short, so short girls it's not always that easy. Everything needs to be altered, which is a pain in the ass.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, big deal. Hem. Try to fit your ass in your waist.

[Dolores]

My dress actually was big around the waist and I just didn't have time. I didn't have time to have it. I didn't care.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so you wore that brown dress. I'm gonna just throw this paint.

[Dolores]

You know, it was pink this year.

[Tamara Judge]

You wore a brown dress recently and it was like clear. It's like a. It's like long and it. And it's a mermaid looking dress. Brown. And it's got.

[Dolores]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

In between the stripes. I gave it to my sister in law. I'm like, I will never look like that. And.

[Dolores]

Oh, you bought it and then gave it away.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I gave it to my sister in law, Sandra.

[Dolores]

I'm like, funny.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, Tamara had it on and I can never wear it because I'll never look like that in it. So it's kind of funny.

[Dolores]

It's like the pink dress with crystals that I bought for the reunion and I.

[Tamara Judge]

That everyone had.

[Dolores]

Everyone has. And I'm like, I can't wear it now. I don't know. I'll find something to wear it too, but. So it starts off with the girls arriving in Santorini, Greece. Have you been there before?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm dying to go. Paul will take me.

[Dolores]

I will take you. It is so beautiful. So beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

Amazing.

[Dolores]

So way back when, me and.

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[Dolores]

I can't remember if we were dating or married. We went to. Started off in Athens, then we went to Santorini and then we went to. God, where do we go? We went to a few different places, but it is just so beautiful. I mean, it's exactly what it looks like on tv. So beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Now you notice that they had airplane footage on this flight, but not the last one.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody's got that footage.

[Dolores]

Somebody's got to have it. You guys, if you were you on that plane and you sign an NDA, you can send it to me. Don't worry, I won't share it with.

[Tamara Judge]

Anyone if they were in first class. Like I said, if they were in first class. Tamra, there's very. Then it probably. They probably filled up most of the first class, right? Probably.

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[Dolores]

Well, this cracked me up. So Heather's explaining that Lisa and Angie got into an argument during the layover over a Cartier watch. I mean, this is the kind of fights that I live for on Housewives. Lisa, like, always felt like Angie was copying her.

[Tamara Judge]

That was so stupid. Okay, who's going to fight over a Cartier watch?

[Dolores]

Well, there is absolutely the most ugliest watch, but it's Petty Housewife, which I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

Mary saying, who's fighting over an old lady watch?

[Dolores]

I mean, I love Mary because I said the same thing and I'm like, how. What did you think about Heather going, oh, yeah, I just wanted to duty free and went to the Cartier store.

[Tamara Judge]

And I just want a $6,000.

[Dolores]

I bought two of them.

[Tamara Judge]

I bought $12,000. And you know, with the VAT, with the money back from the tax duty free, it's kind of like getting. So I bought one for Whitney. I'm not buying it.

[Dolores]

I'm not buying it either.

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[Dolores]

That's so funny you say that, but I'm just not even believing that. And at first I thought that Whitney bought her own watch. And I'm like, if you're that flippant about just going to, you know, the airport and buying a $6,000 watch and then complaining that you're having money problems, like, what is going on here? But then, you know, I says, she bought it.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, Heather must be doing really well because, you know. Yeah, she's on her, what, third book, second book. She's got her show and she's getting paid here.

[Dolores]

But, you know, but be careful with your money, girl. That's how I always see it.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, if you really did that, Heather, just to bust Lisa's balls, that was really stupid because you guys like buster balls all day long. You didn't have to waste $12,000 on it.

[Dolores]

I know. I'm like, that's like, you're really going all in.

[Tamara Judge]

I really go and like, hard. And you know, Lisa was really just sitting there not bothering anybody. And if it didn't happen on camera. Right. Yeah, well, they didn't really have to bring it up.

[Dolores]

They didn't. But then going above and beyond. Let's like really go on. Above and beyond. Going to the airport and buying a Cartier watch. Like I was going to do that. I would have bought a bracelet or something. I wouldn't have bought that.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, there you go. There you go.

[Dolores]

I would have bought a bracelet.

[Tamara Judge]

But it was the whole point of the watch. Yes, yes, the whole point of the watch. So. But I think Lisa has Cartier bracelets too, that she wears. Probably like Wonder Woman. But, you know, they. I have them. You know why I don't wear them? Because I have, like, issues. If I can't get something off, I start to freak out.

[Dolores]

Oh, okay, me too. I have. I have.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. See, and that doesn't bother you?

[Dolores]

It used to bother me because it feels like you can't get them off. But do you know what really bothers me is that when you go to the airport, I have the TSA pre check and all that stuff and it always goes off. So then I have to be patted down. And that pisses me off. And I You travel so much, it's like a pain in the ass.

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

So Lisa gets glammed every single day. And that just made me think, oh, my God. So she never just stays home in her sweats and just watches tv.

[Tamara Judge]

Does she really get glam every single day or just by then learn how to do it yourself.

[Dolores]

Well, I don't know. I think that she. I agree with the girls. She's very concerned over what she looks like and what she's dressed in. I mean, when she was sitting there, you know, packing and talking to John Barlow, she had like. She's like, I have 60 Chanel bags to go through. And she's surrounded by perfectly stacked up Gucci boxes all around her.

[Tamara Judge]

And I like her thing. She's like, I like my nice things. She's a character. Like her or not.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

A good housewife and she's a character.

[Dolores]

She is. But she's very concerned with appearances and what she's wearing.

[Tamara Judge]

It's almost funny. It's funny.

[Dolores]

I mean, I mean, to each their own. I can't.

[Tamara Judge]

Neither one of us are like that. However, I like watching it. I don't want to be like that.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But I happen to really like watching her and so does a lot of people because she gets a lot of.

[Dolores]

Well, she made me want to step up my game today. And I was instantly on Gucci website ordering stuff and I'm like, what am I doing?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

See, she.

[Dolores]

She's a. She's an influencer is what she is.

[Tamara Judge]

You got influenced by influence. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know how she influenced me? I went and had a number one at Wendy's, a Dave's meal with. No.

[Dolores]

That's hilarious. So Angie asked Bronwyn if she wants to get any Greek men's numbers. I thought this was really ballsy of her to do that because Bronwyn, you know, she has said that there's issues at home. And then Bronwyn then denies it and then talked about open relationship. And then she's now in love. She took her wedding ring off. But now everything's perfect. It's very confusing. I mean, let's talk for a second.

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

On when looks unwell, does she not?

[Dolores]

Yes. No, I agree.

[Tamara Judge]

She does not look good. Is anybody saying, hey, Bronwyn, are you okay?

[Dolores]

Happy?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't like, like coming from New Jersey, it's offensive. If you ask someone if they're okay, like really like that. Like, don't fudgeing. Ask Me if I'm okay. Okay, like, not look good. You got to me, like, yeah, so. But in this case, Bronwyn looks so unwell. I would take her aside and say, listen, you could trust me because you can.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I just need to like, are you okay right now? Because you look like shit. You look upset. What's going on?

[Dolores]

Well, I've noticed. It's like she'll open up and she'll joke about it. Like, she's like, yeah, you gotta get out of here. Like, you know, like, she says things about her husband, but then.

[Tamara Judge]

And then she's sorry she said it and she's sorry.

[Dolores]

She says that she has a habit of leading the woman down one road and then taking a different path at the end. So it's very confusing.

[Tamara Judge]

But here's me, Meredith, sitting across from her and going, Let me just let you in on something, Bronwyn. You might want to forget what you said, but I can promise you these girls are not going to let you forget what you.

[Dolores]

I wonder if it's going to get heated because she does get first seat at the reunion. So I'm halfway expecting some big blow up to happen on this trip.

She.

[Tamara Judge]

Something she's going to. Things are going to come to a head for her. And I could just tell by looking at her like, yeah, she. Something happened before that trip getting there. Something happened while she was there on the plane. Whatever, something happened that's really disturbing her and I. I'm sure it'll all come to a head. And.

[Dolores]

Well, do you remember last year? She literally said there was infidelity in her marriage. And then she backtracked at the reunion and was like, no, there's not. Okay, so I don't get it. But whatever.

[Tamara Judge]

We. We do know that in vulnerable times, we've told people things that we wish we didn't tell them the wrong person. Yeah. If I told my best friend Christina Pasina, if I love her name, God.

[Dolores]

I love her name.

[Tamara Judge]

If I told. I'll speak about her all the time. If I told Christina Pastina something, then I would be like, not worried until the day I die. I would not worry that I told this girl something. But there's other people that just may call me at the wrong time and I will spill my guts and then I'll already hear they repeated to my other friend. Oh, you know, Dolores and Paul got in a fight or something.

[Dolores]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's not cool.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not cool. But listen, Bronwyn, you're on tv. And you don't get to get away with that. It's not stopping at one person. It's in front of a couple million people. So now you have to answer to what you said. And Mary tells her. Mary says, you said it, you said it.

[Dolores]

So what were your thoughts about Heather, of all people, going into Mary's room to get advice, what to say to Meredith? I feel like Heather's not that girl that really asked for advice. She's very, to me, seems very sure of herself and knows exactly what she wants to do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. So you think it was just like insincere going to her. She knew it.

[Dolores]

So I think she knows exactly what she wants to do. She's like the biggest pot store in that group.

[Tamara Judge]

She is. And my friends are getting a little pissed off with Heather lately. Oh, really? My friends that watch the show, they're like, she's getting on my nerves. She's too petty. She's going too hard on Lisa. It's always something and it's like getting on their nerves. So they're like, leave it alone for once. Just like let it go.

[Dolores]

I mean, I think Heather is a very direct person. And then Mary insists that Heather needs to be more direct with Meredith. And I just feel like Heather's like the most direct person on this cast.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. So don't act like you're not is what you're saying.

[Dolores]

But I feel like Heather, she doesn't want to have a one on one conversation with Meredith because she wants to do it in front of the entire group where she feels the strongest. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's why people do want to do it in front of the entire group. But she, she says I don't want it with just me and her where she can manipulate me and get me to think or say what she wants me to say. I don't believe anyone can do that to Heather. So I'm not buying that. Of course you want to do it in front of the group for the scene of it. Sometimes you gotta not play housewife. So there's a fine line between being too much of a housewife and right.

[Dolores]

Now I feel like two housewife ing.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I mean? Housewifey. I think it's being too housewifey.

[Dolores]

I had a lot of people send me messages when I asked about the show and they said they really feel like it's being produced.

[Tamara Judge]

Scripted maybe, but you know, that's, I mean that's not how we.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it is. It's not like something that we do or Bravo Does. But people. A lot of people are saying it just feels a little too scripted. Scripted.

[Tamara Judge]

So again, like, that's up to the girls, if it is being scripted or produced to say, no, that's not what I would say. And I'm not saying that. Yeah, at some point, you know, you say that exactly.

[Dolores]

What did you think about Lisa being in glam for three hours, then walking and then showing up with sunglasses on in the dark? And she's like, you know, I've been walking around. I have been. I got my 10,000 steps in and I bought a really cool pair of Birkenstocks. I'm like, wait, backtrack. A really cool pair of Birkenstocks.

[Tamara Judge]

Is there such a thing?

[Dolores]

Is there such.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I have seen some rhinestones and stuff. I've seen some cool ones. I've seen some, like Chanel. There's even Chanel Birkenstocks. That's not cool. However, you know, again, leases not being housewifey. That's Lisa. That's being her authentic self and doesn't apologize for.

[Dolores]

I had to actually laugh when she's walking down, like, it looks like a boardwalk by the water and the wind's blowing. Her hair is going. She's got her glasses on. I'm like, aren't you so glad you had that glam done?

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but it's nighttime, you know, she's got glasses on.

[Dolores]

What she says just cracks me up. She's like, what'd she say? She's like. She's talking to the makeup girl, and she's like. And somebody walks in. She's like, yeah, she's from Santorini or she's from Greece. No. Like, no, we just flew. You just flew her in for the day. Like, what the hell?

[Tamara Judge]

She is too much.

[Dolores]

So then there they finally meet her for being herself.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't mind.

[Dolores]

I know. I love her so much. So they finally get it all together. The group is together and they go to dinner. Meredith gives a piece of offering gift, which is an evil eye, which is very popular there in.

[Tamara Judge]

It's very nice. It was a nice gift. I wouldn't mind getting it.

[Dolores]

I mean, we had a fight on my show years ago about an evil eye hat. And it was between me and Gretchen. So, yeah. So the evil eye fight. Those are fighting words on Housewives. But Heather doesn't seem to accept it. Saying again, she didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

She.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

That she was heard by Meredith calling her a liar. She feels like Meredith is. Has. Is selective about what she has outraged for. Do you think that Heather is being a little too hard on Meredith?

[Tamara Judge]

I do. And I think that I would have liked to see them have a private conversation. But then you don't see. It's not like Lisa making this all about herself three seconds later, like they're having a conversation.

[Dolores]

Meredith asked. She's like, I've asked for a private conversation. You can't give it to me.

[Tamara Judge]

She's called her twice. Yeah, and she would have. She didn't mind filming the private conversation, but she didn't want it within the group. And I think that that should have been had between the two of them. And I'm getting pissed off with it on Potomac too. Like, nobody's having a one on one. It's like a schoolyard sophomore fight where all everybody gathers around right before a fist fight or an argument. In my case, it would be a fist fight, you know, where I, where I went to school. So, like, you know, I don't. You know what, it kind of triggers me. It makes me a little bit upset. Yeah, bring back the one on one sit down.

[Dolores]

I am starting to feel sorry for Meredith.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what it is? I'm going to tell you. I think because there are no more one on one sit downs, that things aren't getting resolved and we're getting lost in the actual subject at hand. And it never goes away. Like, okay, it started with Heather and Meredith and then Lisa jumped in and now it became all about Lisa. So we still didn't get to the resolution with, with Heather. Enough. It's just enough. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Am I wrong, guys? I don't know.

[Dolores]

No, I think you're right.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll, I'll take any constructive criticism.

[Dolores]

No, no, I think you're absolutely correct. And I just feel like we have no proof of this plain argument. Whatever. She's already apologized. They need to move on. At this point, it just looks like a bunch of bullies against Meredith, in my opinion. And then I also feel like, what, what is Whitney doing? What is Whitney doing? She is like, she's, she's. I think she's overreacting. It's a little bit of a too much of a try hard at this point.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what? Whitney's crying. And if she's crying because she feels bad that she watched someone get bullied.

[Dolores]

On the plane, then why didn't she do something? At the moment she should say that.

[Tamara Judge]

Or she should say, but I, I'm like lost again. I'm lost because now we have three different Things going on that could have been handled in three separate scenes. So you're. You're losing yourselves, guys. Like, okay, we have one subject. It's Heather and Meredith. That should have been handled between the two of them and maybe brought onto a group. And then we have Lisa talking about herself. I forget what she was talking about, because now I just look across the table and Whitney's crying about what happened on the plane.

[Dolores]

I just felt like that was me, or am I fucking confused? Yeah, no, I'm. It's just the Whitney stuff, to me was just kind of a stretch.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, what are you doing? What did she mean? Sorry to interrupt. What did she mean? Because I don't want to lose this thought. What did she mean by saying to her, we're all paying for it now? Are they getting hammered on social media for allowing that to happen? I don't know. I didn't see.

[Dolores]

Well, no, because you know what? Honestly, it wouldn't have. You know, they wouldn't have. It wouldn't have aired by then, so they wouldn't have known. Nobody would have known about it, so they couldn't go after them.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Dolores]

But I. I think that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's out there.

[Dolores]

I just think that that's all the story out there.

It is.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

I think that's all they have right now, and they're just really leaning into it, and it's getting to the point where we don't want to see it anymore. Like, change it up. Find something else to know.

[Tamara Judge]

Talk about, you know, Whitney saying that, saying, because of what you did on the plane, we're all paying for it.

[Dolores]

What did she say? She's like, that's not the problem. You're the problem.

[Tamara Judge]

You're the problem.

[Dolores]

You're the problem.

[Tamara Judge]

And what happened on the plane, we're paying for. I need to know what that means.

[Dolores]

I don't know what that means either.

[Tamara Judge]

And that also brings me to this now. Who allowed that to happen? A whole plane ride. Who allowed it? I want to know. Because if it was a stranger and that was happening, Just chill out. Like, leave the person alone. Go sit over there. I'm gonna sit here. I would have separated them. Why didn't the. Why didn't the stewardess get involved? Why did nobody.

[Dolores]

It just doesn't make any sense.

[Tamara Judge]

It doesn't make sense. But I want to know. Heather, who's very righteous and wants things, you know, who. Who is always saying, who should be right and who should have done something and told the truth? And proof and proof and proof. Why didn't she get involved? Listen, she's a big girl. I don't want to fight Heather. I listen to Heather. If Heather told me to stop and sit down, I might think about it.

[Dolores]

Heather scares me a little bit.

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

Now Whitney is over there crying and she does not know why. Meredith can't just admit to the way she treated Britney on the plane.

[Tamara Judge]

It has Whitney. That's between her and but don't you.

[Dolores]

Think that Meredith has apologized? They had a sit down and maybe it's not exactly what she wanted to hear, but she's trying to. You know, Meredith feels like her and Brittany already worked through it. As a viewer, I feel like they've worked through it. Whitney will not let this go.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, can I just say one thing? Is it bothering Whitney because she didn't do something about it that I could understand?

[Dolores]

I don't know what.

[Tamara Judge]

Whitney, just say that. Say, listen, I'm living with something I let happen. Let me. Let me speak for you, Whitney, and make. Make what you're trying to do make sense because right now it doesn't. Whitney, I would understand you sitting there and crying if you had a guilty conscience about letting somebody get treated in a way that you didn't think was right that you set there for. Say that. Don't say we're all paying for. It's not all about you.

[Dolores]

And I just feel like everything she said was so dramatic and didn't make any sense to me.

[Tamara Judge]

But Wait, Tamara, you know who's more confused than us? Britney. Brittany.

[Dolores]

Right?

[Tamara Judge]

She's not even saying anything.

[Dolores]

She's like, here's a little food for thought. Why is Meredith the problem when Britney was the one who started it with the Tick tock and accusing her of having an affair and bringing that onto tv? She's not innocent in this at all.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, but who drew first blood? Do we even remember Britney?

[Dolores]

Britney was sharing the tick tock about Meredith's husband.

[Tamara Judge]

Meredith goes hard on Britney, does she not?

[Dolores]

I don't know. I mean, they all go hard on.

[Tamara Judge]

How many stuffed animals she sleeps with.

[Dolores]

That's weird.

[Tamara Judge]

I. Can't we just talk for a second?

[Dolores]

It's weird. I'm gonna say it. It's weird.

[Tamara Judge]

Does she have. She has to bring a separate suitcase for her stuffed animals? Brittany, you know what? No one's talking about this.

[Dolores]

Do you think it's a shtick?

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think she really. One stuffed animal, not 25.

[Dolores]

I sleep with one. It's called my husband.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I sleep with one of those mushy pillows, and I'm gonna bring one on the plane. I'm gonna use it for a pillow.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but it's. But it's a pillow. These are like, stuffed animals, bro.

[Tamara Judge]

Like a whole.

[Dolores]

Do you think she's trying to have another unicorn moment? That's why she's bringing it. Like, she's like. Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

I honestly would have thought that if I didn't see the other 25 stuffed animals. The owl on the bed with all the tags on them.

[Dolores]

Well, here's what I will say.

[Tamara Judge]

Nothing's going on here.

[Dolores]

This whole.

[Tamara Judge]

Why don't we get into that? Because I want to know.

[Dolores]

Well, we're gonna have to. I'm gonna have to.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna. Why don't we all sit and talk about why a grown woman, a mother of two girls. Grown girls, is sleeping with stuffed animals. And if she's. I. I mean, who am I to say? Maybe I'm wrong. I don't want to offend anyone who sleeps with stuffed animals, because I need to talk.

[Dolores]

I want to talk to Meredith. And I have been chatting with her a little bit on social media. She just sent me her bath bombs. It is a beautiful set. Guys, if you're looking for something for the holidays or a gift, it is a big, beautiful black box that opens up with all of these, I don't know, six, seven, eight, nine maybe bath bombs that are so beautiful, they're like pieces of art. So I'm going to put A picture of it on my social media. But she wants to come on and promote her new products, so we'll be able to talk to her about that. I know, but the best thing I think that Meredith did was not reacting and taking the bait at the table. She was so good about it. She didn't give Heather what she wanted, which probably pissed Heather off. But I think that she did a very good job. And at this point, you know, if there's nothing at the reunion, if this is the black eye all over again, I'm going to be livid. No proof, no answers, no nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I'm going to say about, you know, what season, you know, whenever, if Heather ever argued with me and I was on the show, I'd be just like, let's talk about your black eye. Let's. I know, right? That would be my only answer to Heather ever. I want to hear about.

[Dolores]

I don't think she ever gave.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't talk to me until you tell me about your black eye.

[Dolores]

So did you, you know the scene before they go to dinner or they go out and it's Whitney and Heather and she's, she's like, you want to go get some water? And she's like, I don't think we have time for water. And I, and I'm like, what are they talking about? Don't you have bottles of water in your room? So it was, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say like they were talking about going to get a drink, but she called it water and they were going to shower together. Was it, we don't have time to get water because we have to shower. I was so confused on that scene and the, and the fact that they actually left it in the show makes me think I, we going to hear about more of this.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, are they not allowed to have a drink because they're more. Well, she's not a Mormon anymore, so what's, I don't see, I don't know.

[Dolores]

That's why I'm like, you're making me feel like there's something suspicious here.

[Tamara Judge]

Were you going to set up? Is that a setup? Because if that's a setup, I'm really going to be, I mean, am I.

[Dolores]

Looking too deeply into this? Like, what is going on here? Shower water, like drink the shower waterfall. I care. Like what?

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, you're in a villa. I, I, I'm going to be staying at the friggin Holiday Inn at some point and there's water in my room. Like, what's up?

[Dolores]

I I know. I just feel like water. Is water like code for ac? Is this Miami all over again?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, listen, they're not. They're not allegedly AC degrees.

[Dolores]

No, I know. I know. It was just a weird thing, like, well, I don't really have time for water and a shower. I'm like, huh. What are you talking about? I feel like this is code for something. Well, I asked the fans on my Instagram what they thought about the episode. Now, these are fan thoughts, not my thoughts, but Mario Kiki said the girl's got to get off Barlow's jock.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

100%.

[Dolores]

Mindy diamond said Lisa needs to grow some balls and stand up to Meredith.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

What did Meredith do?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I don't know.

[Dolores]

I don't agree with that. Ms. Krista Schneider said Lisa getting glam every day is ridiculous.

[Tamara Judge]

And then if that's what she wants to do, she.

[Dolores]

If you want to spend your money on, like, that, go for it. I don't. Badger reader says Mary is the compass. Lisa needs to detox from glam. That's what we have.

[Tamara Judge]

Some people have certain things. I don't know how she does it. I hate it. I hate it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I. I don't know. I.

[Tamara Judge]

Anyway, listen, I didn't like the episode, but now that we spoke about it, I, like, made me like it, and you made it more fun. So I hope everyone enjoyed our little rendition of what happened. And now we have to find out what water means. And if I. If they're baiting me to take the time to find out what that means, I'm going to be pissed off. Just so they. I know.

[Dolores]

I know. Well, we'll know that. We got a few more episodes and then the reunion, so.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, ladies. So what I'm looking for everybody. What I'm. What I want to know. I don't even give a. About the water. I think it's. It's. It's a bait. I'm gonna let it go. We'll figure it out eventually. Let. Let the. Let the friends that watch this figure it out, and they will, because they'll find out. I want to. I want to see what's going on with Bronwyn. Come to a head. That's.

[Dolores]

So do I. I want to see that, too. And I feel like we're gonna see that because she is first seat. So I feel like something's gonna happen with Bronwyn, and then I'm wondering, do you think they're gonna end their season on a trip? I feel like housewives have been doing that lately.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh good. We're about there. Yeah.

[Dolores]

What are we on episode 13 or something like that?

[Tamara Judge]

No, it's too soon.

[Dolores]

Too soon.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

So. Okay guys. Well thank you again for tuning in to two teas and a pod. So Dolores, you are off to LA so have.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I have 15 minutes to pack and shower. You would have five heart attacks by now. I just so you know.

[Dolores]

Oh my God. Go get off.

[Tamara Judge]

Bye. Love you. Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Dolores]

Bye.

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