Kissed a Girl and Liked It (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod – "Kissed a Girl and Liked It (RHOSLC Recap)"

Hosts: Tamra Judge & Dolores Catania
Date: December 18, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
Episode Focus: Recap of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) Season 6

Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Tamra Judge and Dolores Catania break down the latest from RHOSLC, focusing on the group’s dramatic trip to Greece and the tangled friendships, feuds, and funny moments that ensued. They share their candid takes on the cast, relate personal stories, and dive deep into the Housewives drama — all through the lens of fellow reality TV pros.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Gift Giving & Personal Anecdotes

• Tamra opens up about her Christmas shopping anxieties for Paul, debating whether to splurge on an expensive Lewis Hamilton print.
  • “Every single time he's ever said he wanted something, I've gotten it for him... Like he wanted a Vespa. I got it for his birthday.” (Tamra, 04:54)
• The two swap stories about their dads, cars, and motorcycles, emphasizing the risks and parental worries about riding.
  • “My dad, you know, he was a cop. He always saw the worst of it and we all promised him ... I would never get on a motorcycle.” (Tamra, 06:34)
  • “I have a motorcycle. And our whole entire garage is filled with motorcycles.” (Dolores, 06:51)
• Both hosts reflect on the trauma and danger of motorcycle accidents within their families.

Transition to RHOSLC Recap (08:27)

• Dolores and Tamra commend RHOSLC for being in the “top 25 shows to watch in 2025” and discuss how the Salt Lake City cast manages conflict differently from other franchises.
  • “It doesn't look like they're ruining each other's lives... they're bickering back and forth. There's resolution, then there's not.” (Tamra, 09:17)
• They acknowledge their own recent critiques but clarify these are never personal:
  • “When it comes to recapping the show, we're just recapping what we're seeing as a viewer... If I had to recap myself, I'd hate myself.” (Dolores, 10:03)

Housewives in Greece: Mother’s Day Drama (16:23)

• Scene set: RHOSLC cast is in Greece filming over Mother’s Day, sparking discussions about “mom guilt.”
• Dolores relates to filming on her child’s birthday and feeling intense guilt:
  • “I had to do Ultimate Girls Trip and it was Sophia's birthday... I felt so guilty.” (Dolores, 17:17)
• They question Meredith’s use of Mother’s Day as a shield against group drama; debate whether it’s an escape tactic or genuine distress.
  • “Is she using that for an excuse... or is she truly that upset, or is it just everything altogether?” (Tamra, 18:19)
  • “I think the fact that the girls won't get their foot off her neck... she's like, why am I here when I can be home with my kids?” (Dolores, 18:45)
• Meredith’s conflict with Whitney and Heather is dissected, with speculation about unresolved business tensions:
  • “Whitney took... her business dissolving really bad... she thinks that Meredith had a lot to say about it or something to do with it.” (Tamra, 22:22)

Behavioral Chart Bit (19:46–20:08)

• The “behavioral chart on the fridge” is met with mockery and disbelief.
  • “I would have threw it in the garbage.” (Tamra, 19:53)
  • “She put that in her suit, that big old chart in her suitcase.” (Dolores, 20:00)

Donkeys, Cooking, and Drinking (25:18–26:43)

• Dolores and Tamra enjoy scenes of cast members on donkeys, comparing notes on international cooking classes.
  • “It is so fun... instead of laying on a beach all day, do a little bit of the culture where you're at.” (Tamra, 25:51)
• The hosts comment on Whitney and Heather’s frequent drinking in Greece, lightheartedly implying it's become a staple of the trip.
  • “Do you think they're drunk? ... They are slosh. They're having a good time.” (Tamra, 26:28)
• The contrast between Salt Lake City’s style of fighting and other franchises, like Jersey, is highlighted with amusement.
  • “You say that to somebody here, they're coming back at you with anything... I'm surprised that it's not the Comeback, and it's probably better that way.” (Tamra, 27:33)

Group Dynamics: Sympathy and Empathy (28:04–29:16)

• Discussion about Meredith wanting to be alone and the appropriate level of support:
  • “If you're going to be a mope, get away from me. Because that energy fucks with me. I'm an empath.” (Tamra, 28:14)
• They appreciate the Greek chef’s kindness but agree that sometimes, you need to take a break from the group if you can’t participate positively.

Personal Tangents: Donkeys, Coyotes & Safari Stories (31:05–35:29)

• Dolores shares stories about wild donkeys in Big Bear and Arizona; Tamra relays coyote encounters.
• Tamra talks about going on safari to dehorn rhinos with her daughter Gabby and the harrowing reality of big cat encounters.
  • “So they don't get poached. So people don't kill them for their horns because they're made out of ivory.” (Tamra, 34:33)

Back to Housewives: Body Image & Age (41:32–49:56)

• They compliment the cast for looking amazing in swimsuits, especially Whitney and Meredith.
  • “Her body's so good, and I'm not so covering of that good body.” (Tamra, 42:02)
• A debate unfolds about the pressure for women to cut their hair short after a certain age.
  • “I think it's a personal preference... as we get older, we want to wear things for comfort or things that are easier.” (Tamra, 47:45)
• The hosts share their own hair extension stories and dilemmas.

The “Kissed a Girl” & Body Count Segment (42:31–46:42)

• Angie asks Bronwyn if she’s kissed a girl; Brittany jokes about kissing “367” people, sparking hilarity and skepticism.
  • “When Britney said that she's kept a log... since college. Who would... keep a log of how many people you kiss?” (Tamra, 43:29)
  • “367 guys. There's no way.” (Dolores, 44:35)
• Brittany claims she trademarked “high body count,” leading to mockery and musings on merch marketing.
  • “Why would you trademark it? What is she gonna do with it?” (Dolores, 45:13)

Reflections on Friendship, Honesty & Recapping (50:51–51:24)

• The hosts remind RHOSLC fans and cast that their recaps are with love and professional honesty, not malice.
  • “Listen, girls, don't be mad at me and Tamra sometimes for, like, just saying what we want to say. We love you, we support you, and we agree that you are an amazing show.” (Tamra, 50:51)
  • “It's nothing they wouldn't have said. Trust me.” (Dolores, 51:12)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “Every single time he's ever said he wanted something, I've gotten it for him every single time.” – Tamra (04:54)
• “My dad always said... it's not if it's when, when you have an accident [on a motorcycle].” – Tamra (07:19)
• “It doesn't look like they're ruining each other's lives... there's resolution, then there's not.” – Tamra (09:17)
• “If I had to recap myself, I'd hate myself.” – Dolores (10:03)
• “There's mom guilt and Catholic guilt will kill you.” – Tamra (17:51)
• “If you're going to be a mope, get away from me. Because that energy fucks with me. I'm an empath.” – Tamra (28:14)
• “Who would keep a log of how many people you kiss?” – Dolores (43:37)
• “I think it's a personal preference... as we get older, we want to wear things for comfort or things that are easier.” – Tamra (47:45)
• “Listen, girls, don't be mad at me and Tamra sometimes for, like, just saying what we want to say. We love you, we support you…” – Tamra (50:51)

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Episode Flow & Tone

• Tone: Conversational, candid, playful, occasionally raucous but always good-humored.
• Structure: Starts with gift-giving/holiday anecdotes, shifts into the RHOSLC recap, detours into personal stories and Housewives world comparisons, then circles back to specific episode highlights and themes of body image, honesty, and the reality TV experience.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:54] – Holiday anxieties, gifting stories
• [06:31] – Family car and motorcycle tales
• [08:27] – Intro to RHOSLC recap
• [16:23] – Greece, Mother's Day, and group trips
• [19:46] – Behavioral chart on the fridge
• [25:18] – Donkeys and cooking classes
• [26:28] – Drinking on Housewives trips and franchise comparisons
• [28:04] – Meredith wanting to be alone; group empathy
• [31:05] – Donkeys and wildlife tangents
• [41:32] – Housewives body confidence
• [42:31] – “Kissed a Girl”/body count & trademark antics
• [47:45] – Hair, aging, and personal grooming talk
• [50:51] – Closing reflections on honesty in recapping

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode delivers a sharp, funny RHOSLC recap but also stands on its own as a chatty, inside-baseball Housewives experience. Dolores and Tamra’s banter is warm and relatable, making it easy to follow the season’s high points, cast dynamics, and cultural quips — even if you missed the show. The content wraps with heartfelt reminders that the criticism comes from a place of love, not malice, cementing the podcast as both authentic and (mostly!) harmless fun for Bravo fans.

Transcript

[Tamara Judge]

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Two teas in a pod with teddy mellencamp and tamara judge.

[Dolores Catania]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores.

[Tamara Judge]

Good morning. Well, it's good afternoon for me. It's one o' clock here.

[Dolores Catania]

Good afternoon. Christmas is approaching next week. It's a week from today, isn't it?

[Tamara Judge]

Don't tell me that. Stop.

[Dolores Catania]

I think it is.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a nice sweater. Thank you.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you, thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know what to get Paul. No, serious, like, I don't know what to do, you know, he. I should. I, like, go overboard like I always do. So when we were at the Four Seasons during Bravo Con, you know that artist, he has everything hanging up. All the race car driver pictures are. He likes Lewis Hamilton and there's one there, but it's like 7, $500. Well, should I.

[Dolores Catania]

Can you get it in time?

[Tamara Judge]

I always get things in time.

[Dolores Catania]

Then get it.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

Just get it. If he really wants it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he just said he liked it, so. There's never been a time where he hasn't said he.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you have a place for it? Where's it gonna go?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, down by him. In his little area.

[Dolores Catania]

His area?

[Tamara Judge]

Like it's. But no, but, you know, every single time he's ever said he wanted something, I've gotten it for him every single time. Like he wanted. He's like, oh, I think I'll get a Vespa. I got it for his birthday.

[Dolores Catania]

I want a Vespa.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so beautiful. I got it in Ferrari. Red.

[Dolores Catania]

I was gonna say. Is it red?

[Tamara Judge]

It's red. It's beautiful. I got it for his birthday and I. I had it delivered while he was in the shower and he came into the garage and it was there and like.

[Dolores Catania]

Did he write it?

[Tamara Judge]

No, he never even put the insurance on it. I'm really mad about it.

[Dolores Catania]

It's just sitting in the garage.

[Tamara Judge]

Just sitting in the garage.

[Dolores Catania]

How much are they?

[Tamara Judge]

Was it 12? I think. Was it? I got like the fastest, bestest one.

[Dolores Catania]

Huh.

[Tamara Judge]

It's really cute. Yeah, I like the Tiffany blue ones.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, they're. They're super cute. I wanted one as a. When I was, you know, living at home and my dad was like, hell no. I also wanted a Volkswagen Bug and he said, hell no, they're made out of tin cans. So I didn't get it. But he did end up getting one when I moved out. He was a car guy. So he would get all these different cars all the time. Cars and motorcycles and keep them for a while. He had a used car lot, my dad did, growing up.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really? Yeah. So I had a nice car.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I don't know if they were nice. They were used. But I got. I had different cars all the time. Like I'd have a car for six months and he'd sell it, Then I get a different car, then he'd sell it, then I get a different car. So yeah, I had a lot. It was interesting.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I was never allowed on a motorcycle, so till this day. I went on one once because my dad, you know, he was a cop. He always saw the worst of it and we all promised him. He made me promise I would never get on a motorcycle. And I didn't. Except for the one time I went for a really short ride, it felt long and never got one.

[Dolores Catania]

It scares me. I don't want my kids on motorcycle, but I have a motorcycle. And our whole entire garage is filled with motorcycles.

[Tamara Judge]

That's so cool and so funny.

[Dolores Catania]

How many is in there? We need like a bigger house because we need like a six car garage for all the motorcycles.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow. So Paul broke both his legs on a motorcycle and he was almost crippled. He has all metal in his legs.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that's that.

[Tamara Judge]

He woke up and his legs were up here.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, it scares me because, you know, Eddie rides a Harley and it's. It's a big boy. It's a. One of those big giant ones. But you know, it's just like my dad will always say. It's just. It's not if it's when true. You have an accent. Because my parents went down on their. My dad used to drive a Gold Wing, which is a big. It's like a big Harley. And my parents went down and it was because somebody cut them off. Somebody ran into them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it's not always your fault. And especially texting and driving. Now that's.

[Dolores Catania]

I know my cousin, his tire fell off on the 405 freeway and he was going 60 plus miles an hour. Was in the hospital forever. Didn't think he was going to make it. Brain, Brain damage.

[Tamara Judge]

Is he okay now?

[Dolores Catania]

He's a permanent disability. He's. He's 60 now, I think, but maybe a little bit older, but has issues with like, I don't know if it's short term or long term memory. I can't remember. But yeah, not, not completely. Not 100%. I'll just say that same. Yeah. So we are going to recap Salt Lake City season six.

[Tamara Judge]

It was cute. I mean, it was good. I don't know what else to say. You know, they're like the top 25 in 2025 top shows to watch. And they're like something, something's in the.

[Dolores Catania]

Water there in Utah because Secret Life of Mormon Wives, they're up there on the charts too. And you know, just recapped with Jana Kramer and it's crazy how popular they've become in a short amount of time and all the opportunities they're having with Dance with the Stars too.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Whitney just announced that she's executive producer in her own rom com show movie and for. I don't know if it's for Hallmark or what, but I'm just like, holy crap. She's doing Broadway and all this stuff. But Salt Lake City, Utah, they, they are. There's some talented people over there.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they're doing something right. They seem to be having fun doing it. It doesn't look like they're ruining each other's lives. They're, they're bickering back and forth. There's resolution, then there's not. And it's what it, it's. Everybody needs to take lessons. I know that we were kind of hard on them, you and I both in, in our last pod. And I just saw something about it this morning. I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, no. Are we taking. Are we making headlines? Are they taking our words out of context or were we being bitches?

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, we were being honest. And, and I think that they're sensible enough to know that we speak on what we see. Not nothing personal against them because I think they're all pretty amazing.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, no, I like every single one of them.

[Tamara Judge]

And when I like them very much.

[Dolores Catania]

Me and Teddy would say this all the time. When it comes to recapping the show, we're just recapping what we're seeing as a viewer. It's not. Nothing personal. If I had to recap myself, I'd hate myself.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I would.

[Dolores Catania]

I would talk all kinds of shit.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So. So we're just doing the same thing we would do to ourselves or what we would expect them to do.

[Dolores Catania]

I think they're all great.

[Tamara Judge]

It's all in good fun, guys. That's it.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, what is it? What is it?

[Dolores Catania]

Who.

[Tamara Judge]

Who said talk about me bad? Talk about me good. But just talk about it.

[Dolores Catania]

Just keep a topic. Yeah.

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[Dolores Catania]

So it starts off there. Anders. They're in Greece, which I love seeing. You know, I love Greece.

[Tamara Judge]

I've only been.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, I've been once.

[Tamara Judge]

And take me.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I want to go back. And it's Mother's Day in Greece and they're away from their kids and you know, for the most part most of the kids are older now. Not that big of a deal.

[Tamara Judge]

You're good.

[Dolores Catania]

Everyone's gone.

[Tamara Judge]

No one's going to their therapist saying, my mom went to Greece to film on Mother's Day and I have trauma from it. No one's doing that. Girls enjoy yourself. Which they fucking are. Like they really are. Except for, you know, Britney kind of passes by that it's a little. Hits a little hard for her because there was a time she didn't speak to her children for two years, but I think that was her choice as well. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So did you ever have to film while it was one of like on a vacation on the show when it was one of your kids birthdays? I did. I had to do Ultimate Girls Trip and it was Sophia's birthday. I swear. She brought. She brought it up.

[Tamara Judge]

It.

[Dolores Catania]

It bothered her because she brought it up like several times. Like what was alone?

[Tamara Judge]

Was she.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

But it was not okay.

[Dolores Catania]

You had to film. It was. I think it was her.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, her sweet 16.

[Dolores Catania]

So it was a milestone birthday. Yes. And I was gone. Of course. I had a party for her, you know, and on a different day. But I felt so guilty. So guilty.

[Tamara Judge]

There's mom guilt and Catholic guilt will kill you. It will eat you alive. It's Just fucking. And then combine Catholic mom and mom guilt, and you're really just jump off my balcony at that point. But. Or my mother throws on the guilt. I remember when I first had my kids and I went to get my nails done. She goes, you're getting your nails done. Oh, Cellaris, like, why I need my nails done.

[Dolores Catania]

I just.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, it was the worst thing. Like, it was the. You got to martyr yourself to be a mother, Mom. No, you don't. It's okay. Everybody's doing just fine. But. But, you know, Meredith, I. I'm still. I'm torn with. Is she using that for an excuse to be upset and not answer the questions that they're looking for from her, or is she truly that upset, or is it just everything altogether?

[Dolores Catania]

I think it's everything altogether. I think the fact that the girls won't get their foot off her neck and they keep going for her. And in. She's like, why am I here? She even tries to escape, but she has nowhere to go. And she's like, why am I here when I can be home with my kids on Mother's Day and they want to be around me?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, there's always that in. In theory, right? When we go to a party or when we go somewhere and it sucks, the person isn't that nice to you. They weren't that good of a friend. But you felt obliged to go. Now you're there and you're like, what the fuck? Like, you have, like, remorse of saying yes to something. However, Meredith, it's your job. It's a cash trip, and you better go. And you better go with a smile. But listen, it made for good tv.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I mean, she agreed to go. She knew it was Mother's Day.

[Tamara Judge]

She agreed to go.

[Dolores Catania]

She knew this was happening.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's face it, if she was having a good time and everybody wasn't jumping on her, she wouldn't have cared.

[Dolores Catania]

She wouldn't care. What are your thoughts. What are your thoughts on this behavioral chart that was on the refrigerator?

[Tamara Judge]

I would have threw it in the garbage. I'm sorry. You know what I mean? How did you get that?

[Dolores Catania]

She put that in her suit, that big old chart in her suitcase. And she put it. I'm like, here we go. Here we go. Oh, God.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she. She stopped at the store in the Greek island. There's anyone who's ever been to an island, and if you haven't been, you're not buying anything there. You're not getting anything you need. It's different if you travel in the States, everything's accessible and not everywhere is accessible. But you want to go somewhere like a foreign country on an island, you ain't getting. So. No.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I was glad to see Mary check on Meredith. The Meredith's like, I'm seriously. I'm tired of being treated like dirt and I'm sick of the way Whitney is. Is treating her at this point.

[Tamara Judge]

Have we yet. Have you seen the woman who imitates Meredith with the wig on and her wig is always crooked and she talks like her Meredith.

[Dolores Catania]

There's a lot of people that imitate her because she's set. She has so much to imitate.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, there's no. I have person in particular. I'm going to send it to you. You know how I stopped sending you the chewing loud memes. But I'm going to send you this one woman. She's so good, she's so funny. She makes me feel like I could even do it. And all I do now is see that woman when Meredith is talking. It's like a. It's like a spoof, even when she's being herself. But how about Mary coming to the, you know, being sensible, saying, I think, but this is the second time Mary's given this advice. She did it with Lisa, now she's doing it with her. She's like, I think you need to go tell her and how you feel. And so she does. And we see how that goes. Like Heather, how she, she goes and tells Heather.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel bad for Meredith if there's. I don't feel like there's any reason to keep this going. If Britney wants to be mad at her, then fine. But with Whitney and the other girls, like, if it was that big of a deal, why didn't you. We said this before. Why didn't you step in? Yeah, why didn't you step in? I don't get it.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I don't know, but Whitney is out for her. Whitney's really out for her this season.

[Dolores Catania]

She is. So in the car, Meredith and Heather argue. During their conversation, Meredith cuts Heather off by. Wait, you know why?

[Tamara Judge]

I think I just had a thing. Yeah. I think that Whitney took, you know, her business dissolving her business really bad. She really took that bad.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think she thinks that Meredith had a lot to say about it or something to do with it. Do you remember?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, I do remember from the first.

[Tamara Judge]

Underlying, like, dislike for her. I think it's got to do with the business. Huh?

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe, Maybe. So they're arguing in the Car. Meredith takes the call. I probably would have taken it to.

[Tamara Judge]

Of course, I would have to be.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, up over there. Let me just answer this call.

[Tamara Judge]

But instead, Meredith. See, Meredith was so angry and hurt, like, in mad. She was, like, super angry, on the verge of tears in there, being a Debbie Downer. I mean, they're. They're on in Greece. Greece is so extremely beautiful. And Heather's like, all right, get over it now. You're ruining our trip.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So she takes the call. She could have said, excuse me, I'll finish. Let me just take this call and I'll finish this conversation. There was nothing wrong with her taking Brooks's call, because when little Frankie calls me, I want to make out with the phone. I want to shove it down my throat. So I'm taking that call no matter if I was in the middle of Watch what Happens live. So.

[Dolores Catania]

Right, right, right, right.

[Tamara Judge]

And I love. Very attentive to his mom. The first. I went to her premiere, and he put her shoes on for her. He's a lovely boy. So they have a very close relationship. She's good with all her kids, but, yeah, she's like. Like you said in the beginning of those. Why this. Why am I here to come here and get shit on when I could be home with my kids?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. It's easy for the other girls to say, just have fun, but you know what? You're not the ones getting.

[Tamara Judge]

But she's not having fun.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Do you think that Lisa is speaking for Meredith?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Or being supportive or being a supportive friend?

[Tamara Judge]

Both. Well, I mean, how else is she going to support her here? She's. She's trying to help her, which I've done many times. Explain what people are understanding that she's saying. I. You know, I'm starting to really. Heather, you know, here's the thing. There's a lot of double standard. And you and I have talked about the world of. The Bravo world of being double standard. Heather and Whitney speak up for each other all the time. So it's no different than what Lisa's doing for Meredith. Now. In the beginning of this season, I didn't feel that Lisa was sticking up for Meredith enough. Meredith tried to jump in and help her, and then when they attacked Meredith, Lisa was just, like, not helping her. But now, I take it back, there's been a turn, and Lisa's really sticking up for Meredith a lot. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So Angie Brahman and Mary and Lisa ride donkeys while Meredith, Heather, Whitney, and Britney go to Cooking classes. I think I'd rather. I love going to foreign countries and taking cooking classes. I've done it. I think it's so many times. It's so fun. And a lot of times it's done in, like, these houses. Like, I went to Italy and I took Spencer and his girlfriend, and it was the four of us, and we went to, you know, a cooking class, and it was literally in this little Italian woman's house. And it's just so fun.

[Tamara Judge]

It is so fun. It's nice to, instead of laying on a beach all day, do a little bit of the culture where you're at. It takes a lot to pull me away from the beach and laying in the sun with baby oil and everything else. Oh, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And your reflective tinfoil.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. It used to be peroxide. In the 80s, we used to put peroxide on, but, you know. Oh, my God, I did baby oil.

[Dolores Catania]

I did that.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna send you. But I'm dark. I could do that. You can't.

[Dolores Catania]

No, I've already had melanoma.

[Tamara Judge]

Can we talk for a second about Whitney and Heather being, like, drunk every episode?

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think they're drunk?

[Tamara Judge]

They are. Slosh. They're having a good time. They're drinking a lot of the water on vacation.

[Dolores Catania]

They're.

[Tamara Judge]

They're. They're drinking a lot of water in these episodes.

[Dolores Catania]

Drinking. We have time for water.

[Tamara Judge]

They made the time for the water.

[Dolores Catania]

Lisa going, I love donkey riding so much. I'm like, shut up. Do you really?

[Tamara Judge]

But yet, you know, there's. They're coming for Meredith saying, look, Meredith, you're a pill popper. You're what.

[Dolores Catania]

What did.

[Tamara Judge]

What did Whitney call her? A pill popper. And what else?

[Dolores Catania]

Alcoholic or drunk or something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

And then, you know, they're drinking in every episode. I don't know. I don't know. Probably shouldn't want to bring attention to that in somebody else. Well, you know what? I see we don't. They're not fighting like, Jersey like you, you alcoholic pill popper in Jersey. It would have been like, you fucking whore.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Stupid, ugly tattoo.

[Dolores Catania]

That's the kind of fighting I like.

[Tamara Judge]

To be like that. And Meredith is just like, give me.

[Dolores Catania]

Something to work with, baby.

[Tamara Judge]

No. It would be like, yeah. You know, it's like you're. You say that to somebody here, they're coming back at you with anything. They could find any. You don't go for your mother. They'll go for your grandmother. I mean, it just. It's like, I'm surprised that it's not the Comeback, and it's probably better that way.

[Dolores Catania]

And that's why we need Jersey back.

[Tamara Judge]

Because it doesn't get so ugly, they're able to move on easier.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, well, Meredith, she's out of there. She just, like. She shut down. She walks away. She's walking the streets of Greece alone. I wish. I wish somebody would have followed her to check on her.

[Tamara Judge]

No. But you know what? I don't want to be around that. I'm sorry. If you're going to be a mope, get away from me. Because that energy fucks with me. I don't like it. I'm an empath. I feel what other people sitting next to me. I either get anxious if they're anxious, or I feel like her energy would have. Unless she's, like, my best friend. Have I left scenes for people? Yes. I have chased them to see how they're doing. But you know what? People have been asking her all day how she's doing. She's sitting at the table crying in front of Giovanni, the Greek cook guy, who's so nice. And he comes over to her and he, like, leans over and he's like, no, really, can I help you? Like, he's even make. She's even making Giovanni. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

It was sweet, though, when the chef went up and asked her if she's all right. So she ends up coming back. He was sincere. He came back. He saw that she was sad come back, and it was so funny because he doing something with tomato. And then Heather's like, oh, I love it. I hold it. Can I smell? I'm like, it's a jar of tomato sauce.

[Tamara Judge]

They were saying, yeah, it's like any day in my house. But they were making. It looked so amazing. It's just, you know, these are the things that make it worth it to get to experience these things with your friends, even if somebody at the table sucks. And. But, you know, I did agree. Who said it? Was it Heather or Whitney? I agreed with them when they said, could you at least be nice to the guy? Like, stop poking around. Because, like, just stop. And she's like, no, I miss my son. It's Mother's Day. No. Then get up from the table and don't come sit down until you could be good enough energy for the rest of the people here. You gotta sometimes. And I've done it.

[Dolores Catania]

Or even the chef. The chef told her to have a drink. The wine will make her happy.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, she's making it feel awkward. Listen, we've done some shit things In New Jersey to people that we're filming with. I remember the big fight in Italy when Siggy, Danielle, and Margaret started fighting, Breaking glasses over the table.

[Dolores Catania]

We.

[Tamara Judge]

We. The man was so mad, he threw us out. Threw us out. I didn't blame.

[Dolores Catania]

I haven't talked to Margaret. I need to keep thinking about her. I need to give her a call.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she doesn't stand still ever.

[Dolores Catania]

I know she's always somewhere.

[Tamara Judge]

Always somewhere. She's a worker, you know, she has that.

[Dolores Catania]

I always know, like, school work ethic. So only so much time can go by before I. Without talking to Dorinda and Margaret, I always got to just call and do a checkup.

[Tamara Judge]

I spoke to Dorinda the other day. That's worth a phone call.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she's always worth a phone call.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, girl.

[Dolores Catania]

And you know, both of them, if you text them, hey, how you doing?

[Tamara Judge]

You'll get.

[Dolores Catania]

Your phone will ring in 3.2 seconds if they're free. Yeah, they're old school. They want to talk on the phone. They don't want to text.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I love that. So the girls meet the others at lunch. The donkey girls meet the others at lunch.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, donkeys are per. Are very smart.

[Dolores Catania]

They are. I thought they were dumb asses.

[Tamara Judge]

They're not. So smart asses, by nature are inherently extremely smart. And they say that they make the best watchdogs.

[Dolores Catania]

Really? So we have some wild donkeys that live in Big Bear, and there's really. Yeah, there's a whole group of them, and I have not seen them. I missed them. It was snowing last year and came out, you know, during the day. And the neighbor said, hey, did you see the donkeys this morning? And I'm like, no, I've been wanting to see them. And there they had little hoof marks on our driveway. Oh, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Marks. Not the hoof marks.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. And I'm like, I want to see them so bad.

[Tamara Judge]

I would shove my face in them.

[Dolores Catania]

There's a town in, I think, Arizona called Oatman, and it's an old western town. My mom lives out in the area. Old western town, super cute. And there's just wild donkeys just running. There's not running. Just walking through the streets. But they can get a little mean.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they should be, because they've been exploited forever from the beginning of time.

[Dolores Catania]

You can buy carrots for them there and all that stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, they've been overused and abused and.

[Dolores Catania]

Just treated like, these ones are just wild ones. Like, we'll be in the Side by side. We'll drive down the street and they'll come up to you because there's no top on it, and put their head in your car.

[Tamara Judge]

And next thing you know, one of the donkeys would be in my car. Oh, my God.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you know what I've been getting on social media on Instagram lately? I don't know if the rest of you guys are getting this too, or why I'm getting it. It is like safaris where girls, like, put their arm out, you know, And a big old freaking. It's probably AI. I'm not even sure. A big old lion comes up and bites their head.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that's AI.

[Dolores Catania]

It's got to be AI, right? And then they tell you pull them out. And I'm like, what the actual hell? Why am I getting these on my social media? I already freaking get weird out at Big Bear. Like, because there's no gate around our backyard. There's no fence, and the coyotes just walk. I get like, my ring doorbell goes off all day long with coyotes just walking through our property. And so I'm always like, coyotes. I don't love coyotes.

[Tamara Judge]

Your dog. Well, not your adult. They'll go a couple rounds.

[Dolores Catania]

One day.

[Tamara Judge]

They.

[Dolores Catania]

He1 was sneaking up on. On rugby. It was like a rugby.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't not come for a rugby. No.

[Dolores Catania]

And let me just tell you, I can be upstairs looking out in the backyard and see one, and I'll tap the window and it will go running. I was outside with rugby. He's doing his business in the grass, this coyote sneaking up on him. And I am screaming on the top of my lungs, and the coyote was just not even budging. And then I'm. Get in here, Rugby. And he, like, ran in the house. Thank God.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank God. See, dog would attack the coyote, and dog would be dead. Because that. That's. That's what happens.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, sometimes they run in packs, too, so I don't want Instagram. I don't want to see these safaris where these lions and tigers are eating people's heads.

[Tamara Judge]

So I was on. You know, I went to Africa with Gabby, and I was in the woods dehorning. Not the woods. What is it? The jungle? Whatever. I was in. Yeah. To horning rhinos. Because that's the only way I could hang out with my daughter. I have to fly to South Africa.

[Dolores Catania]

Why do you have to dehorn them?

[Tamara Judge]

So they don't get poached. So people don't kill them for their horns because they're made out of ivory. Oh, so it's like, but don't they.

[Dolores Catania]

Need those horns to survive or.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, they're pain. It's painless. It's like cutting your fingernail. But when you take them off, they're worth millions and millions of dollars. I have to literally back of a truck in Africa just to hang out with Gab doing all that sounds fun things. But anyway, so we're on a safari with all her nerd animal lover friends and. And all of a sudden we come across a pride of lions laying down and these bitches are crying. They're like, oh my God, now I can die. I'm like, why are we stopping? There's no speed up. And they're like, no, they're good. They just got done eating. I'm like, I still eat when I'm full. Yes, go.

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe they want dessert.

[Tamara Judge]

No, bro. Like, I was like my. I was like trying not to make eye contact. The lions right here looking at me.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm like, don't go on Instagram and look at the lions because now, now your phone's gonna hear me talking about it and. And you're gonna get lions eating people on videos.

[Tamara Judge]

If you think I'm kidding. I got videos of that. Gabby's friends tears not coming down. Oh, my God. Yeah, you're gonna die. Keep going, keep going.

[Dolores Catania]

Go over there and start petting them.

[Tamara Judge]

Starting my hair and my nail.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, maybe that doesn't sound very fun.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

But yeah. So the. The donkey girls meet the girls for lunch. Meredith tells them that she is sad because she can get to Brooks. But didn't she talk to Brooks in the car?

[Tamara Judge]

Meredith, you answered the phone. I don't think she wanted to have a full conversation about, you know, you.

[Dolores Catania]

Don'T want to hear about how your day is.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, we're good. I'm sure Brooks was actually good, happy that you were busy. I'm sure he's fine. He'll live.

[Dolores Catania]

No, I do think that Meredith was using as an excuse and the girls were calling her out about it, but Whitney apologized to Meredith for calling her a pill popper and an alcoholic. And Meredith's response was. Was amazing. She goes, okay, great. Okay, great.

[Tamara Judge]

That was it. It looked like I believed her that she got over it like, that she accepted it. I kind of believed her. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I. I think she's just over it all. Like, just shut the hell up, everybody.

[Tamara Judge]

Can I say something? If you could get over something that easy, then it didn't bother you that much in the first place.

[Dolores Catania]

But do you think she was just being condescending? Okay, great.

[Tamara Judge]

No, because then. Because then in the next scene, she's running out. By the way, looks amazing in her little bikini thing.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. She looked great.

[Tamara Judge]

She looks great. So good. They look good. Those girls are good. Yeah. Whitney, too.

[Dolores Catania]

Whitney's got a killer little body.

[Tamara Judge]

Killer body.

[Dolores Catania]

She looks like she was a gymnast.

[Tamara Judge]

She's always naked.

[Dolores Catania]

She has that look that she was a gymnast. All my friends that were gymnasts, and now they're in their 40s, like, are you good? They still have amazing bodies. I'm like, I should have put.

[Tamara Judge]

My love is so much more. If she didn't have the big rose.

[Dolores Catania]

Tattoo, the colored tattoo.

[Tamara Judge]

Her body's so good, and I'm not so covering of that good body.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm not a big fan of colored tattoos. Like, I have friends that have, like, sleeves. I have a cousin that has sleeves. A lot of my. Most of my kids have tattoos, but I just don't like when girls cover their torso for some. You know what I Mean, like with color, tattoos. I'm not a fan of it. Other people are.

[Tamara Judge]

That body's too good to cover.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it really is. I would kill for that. No cellulite anywhere.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. She's got an amazing body. So back at the villa, Angie asked Bronwyn if she's ever kissed a girl. Robin admits to kissing Multiple girls. Multiple. 367 of them. Oh, no, that was Brittany.

[Tamara Judge]

That was Brittany.

[Dolores Catania]

That was Brittany.

[Tamara Judge]

See, Bronwyn's a deflector. I love you, Bronwyn. But you're. You're Hector the deflector. All of a sudden. All of a sudden you're like, well, let's get Whitney out here. Why you keep asking me? Because we're asking you. You offered it and now they want to know more. So don't go now. Put it on. You always do this, Bronwyn. Now you're like. You're like. You say it for shock value and to be a good housewife, what you're doing.

[Dolores Catania]

And then you turn it on someone else.

[Tamara Judge]

And then. And then all of a sudden you don't want to talk more about it when they want to hear about it. So you're either all in or all out.

[Dolores Catania]

Sis, have you kissed 367 guys in your life?

[Tamara Judge]

No. When she. So when Britney said that she's kept a log. She's very organized. Listen.

[Dolores Catania]

Keep a log of how many people you kiss.

[Tamara Judge]

She's since college. She said, but who would it. And who asked her if it was on her? Like if she kept it like on her computer on her? Like some.

[Dolores Catania]

That's so weird. But then, you know when they're in the Sprinter and Brittany tells the girls that she trade Mike trademarked high body count.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, she said. She said, what? Do you keep it on Excel? How do you keep. And Britney's like, yeah, you know what? I think Britney's not telling the truth.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think.

[Tamara Judge]

And that's a weird number. 360.

[Dolores Catania]

That's a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

It's a lot. But it's like a weird number out of your ass. So I think you're full of. By the way, just saying that is a lot.

[Dolores Catania]

And then her saying that she trademarked.

[Tamara Judge]

How many times she get mono. You think.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh my God. Or cold sores.

[Tamara Judge]

Is she including her stuffed animals in that probably count.

[Dolores Catania]

There's no way. I'm sorry. 367 guys. There's no way.

[Tamara Judge]

Since college.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. But didn't she. Didn't she say busy girl? Didn't her daughter say she was more interested in being accepted by men?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think we need to get to the bottom of certain things.

[Dolores Catania]

But anyway, 300.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe that's for another show.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. 367 guys.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but I did stop me in my tracks when I heard that. And then I started to count mine. I don't think I felt I. I got past 10.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. Anyway, in the Sprinter, Britney tells the girls she trained me out of the high body count hair or high body count. The girls. The girls were like, that's weird. Why would you trademark it? What is she gonna do with it? What do you think she's gonna do with it?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she's gonna have just like, shirts made. Merge. Yeah. I mean, and Angie's like, mad about it. Angie, you live in a 10 million dollar house. You don't really need what would.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. What do you think if Danielle Stobbs trademarked welcome Back, Scumbag, it would bother me. It would bother you.

[Tamara Judge]

It would bother me because I said it. And you know why? The only reason it would bother me is because why didn't I do it?

[Dolores Catania]

I trademarked something. I don't know. Eddie did it for me. I can't remember what it was. I might be wrong, but it might be. That's my opinion. I might have.

[Tamara Judge]

Might have trademarked that for me. I have to ask him.

[Dolores Catania]

Eddie loves trademark things. Then Angie, I mean, all the girls are like, well, what the hell? Why would you trademark. That is so weird. Like, I don't think.

[Tamara Judge]

I think Britney needs the money.

[Dolores Catania]

I think she should have not said anything.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's the other thing. Like, why'd you say it's sitting next to people that actually like you?

[Dolores Catania]

No. And then you wait for somebody to make a T shirt that says welcome back, Scumbag, and then you hit them with a lawsuit because you trademarked it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then that's another way to make money. But Angie's not over it. Angie doesn't let up. Angie, you're. It's not like you to be mean, girl.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Angie's. I know. Then Angie's going. She's like, your hair is still too long, Brittany.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh. Then she starts going on her hair. She's like, when I look at my hair and it looks long like yours, it makes me go and cut it.

[Dolores Catania]

Cut it. But her hair is long.

[Tamara Judge]

So then you know what? It's so funny. And then they started busting Britney's balls about. She didn't come up with anything. Smart. Except ting. Ting. Is that what it was?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So Britney, you know, they talk about how her hair is still too long and then they cut to her confessional and she's got a bob.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So short.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you believe. Do you buy into that? Because I don't. Do you buy into the age thing that at a certain age you have to have a bob or you have to have your hair shorter? I don't. I think everybody's face is different. And I feel like some girls, like Lisa Rena looks amazing with short hair. I will never ever have hair like that because I just don't have the face for it. I think that Lisa Rena looks better with short hair than long hair. And then I think some people, like look at Rachel Zoe, she's what, 53 or something? She's got that long hair. I think it looks great on her.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's a personal preference. Here's the thing, as we get older, we want to wear things for comfort or things that are easier, right?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Camera. So we give up something for the discomfort or the extra work it takes to keep it going. That's why people let their hair go gray. That's why older women cut their hair and they're like, you know, you're not going to find an 80 year old woman with 22 inch extensions. You're not. Except unless it's my mother and it's her real hair. My mother's hair goes down like past, you know, in the middle of her back. She'll never cut it because she likes to put it up. But she just said to me the other day she's going to be 78 because I'm tired of coloring and I think I'm just going to let it go.

[Dolores Catania]

Let it go.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So I think at the end of the day it's, it comes down to. It's not about age for me. It would be the, the lack of wanting to freaking keep doing it. Now Paul wants my hair short. Paul wants my hair how short? No, he wants my regular hair in because I have long hair. My hair is your hair without extensions.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So I don't have. I, I took the majority of my extensions out. I have a really thin row underneath just for a little bit of fullness. But I have nothing in the sides and.

[Tamara Judge]

Feels good, doesn't it?

[Dolores Catania]

It feels so good. But then I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh God. And I do a ponytail and it's like, you know, a half an inch.

[Tamara Judge]

For, you know, it's a mind. It is, it is.

[Dolores Catania]

And I want to try to get used to it because Sophia's like, mom, your hair looks way more natural if you just don't wear those stupid extensions.

[Tamara Judge]

Sometimes we look younger with our. Right.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what she said.

[Tamara Judge]

All these long extensions. Like, Paul would be so happy. But, you know, I can only do it for so long.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I'm waiting. So I had a bad experience and my hair broke off. So, yeah, most of my bangs are still pretty dead that, like, the bottom inch or two. So as soon as those all grow out, I wouldn't mind cutting it. Like, but if you don't have any hair on the sides, all of this is broken off, then it looks ridiculous. So it's a process. And plus, I'm not coloring my hair anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

If you saw my bras, I wear the most comfortable bras or I wear none. It's so bad.

[Dolores Catania]

That's how I come to stage.

[Tamara Judge]

Me and Paul's mom bought the same bras. One day he almost threw up.

[Dolores Catania]

So when we were in New Orleans. New Orleans. And they did like, oh, show your boobs, right? I don't normally. I don't normally wear a bra.

[Tamara Judge]

My bra right now, it looked.

[Dolores Catania]

It looks like a sports top. You look good, though.

[Tamara Judge]

Look skinny, skinny, skinny.

[Dolores Catania]

So I did. I have, like, these. I don't wear bras. And this is before I got my boobs done. So I had a little teeny, tiny ones. So I just had this old lady bra on, and I, like, showed it, and everybody laughed at my bra. And I don't care. It's comfortable.

[Tamara Judge]

That's right. And that's nothing. And that's what it is.

[Dolores Catania]

Comfortable is not wearing a bra at all.

[Tamara Judge]

It's all personal preference.

[Dolores Catania]

But, yeah, that's all we got for today.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I'm enjoying them. Listen, girls, don't be mad at me and Tamara sometimes for, like, just saying what we want to say. We love you, we support you, and we agree that you are an amazing show. And we say something we should be worried about. Watch shows. And I really suck because Jersey isn't back, so that sucks. Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I mean, it's nothing they wouldn't have said. Trust me.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I know. We could be listening. You want the truth, girls? I could be a lot worse. Yeah, I'm just. But I still love you.

[Dolores Catania]

Love, love you, love you, love you.

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