Legally Brunette: Amy Bradley

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: Legally Brunette – Amy Bradley (July 29, 2025)

Hosts: Emily Simpson & Shane
Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Focus: Deep-dive analysis and discussion of the Amy Bradley disappearance case, as featured in the Netflix documentary series.

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Episode Overview

Emily Simpson (filling in for the regular "Two Ts" hosts) and her husband Shane take listeners through the mysterious 1998 disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley from the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas. Broadcasting from Lake Tahoe, they dissect the Netflix docuseries, legal intricacies of maritime law, the Bradley family’s experience, and delve into the possible theories—ranging from abduction to accidental death and beyond. The tone is conversational, investigative, and at times darkly humorous.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: Amy Bradley’s Disappearance

• [04:26-05:06] Emily confesses she had never heard of the case despite being a ‘90s expert, but became obsessed after watching Netflix’s Amy Bradley Is Missing.
• Case Summary:
  • Amy Lynn Bradley, 23, disappeared March 24, 1998 while on a Caribbean cruise with her family.
  • Ship: Royal Caribbean’s Rhapsody of the Seas, currently still in operation.
  • The FBI maintains an open case and is offering a reward.

2. Maritime Jurisdiction & Cruise Ship Law

• [06:37-11:01] Emily and Shane break down how international waters complicate legal jurisdiction.
  • Quote [06:42] (Emily): “When you get on a cruise ship... you go onto the cruise ship thinking, I'm about to depart the US on a floating island that has no security. Security? No police force. There's security, but no police force.”
  • Cruise ships register under flags of convenience—often countries with looser regulations.
  • Crimes near a port fall under that country’s jurisdiction, but in international waters, the ship’s registered nation governs.
  • This creates complications and often serves the cruise line's best interest.

3. Detailed Timeline of Amy’s Disappearance

• [16:55-36:54] Emily recounts the night Amy vanished, focusing on the tight timeline and family/cabin dynamics:
  • Family Members: Iva (mom), Ron (dad), Brad (brother), Amy.
  • Cabin: All four shared a cramped room—significant for the investigation.
  • Night of Disappearance:
    • 1:00 am: Amy and brother Brad at the ship disco with crew member “Yellow” (Alistair Douglas); she drinks but not heavily.
    • 3:40 am: Brad returns to cabin, Amy returns soon after, both hang out on balcony.
    • 5:15-5:30 am: Father Ron briefly awakens, sees Amy’s legs on balcony chair.
    • 5:30-5:40 am: Three passengers claim they saw Amy with “Yellow” taking the glass elevator, Amy holding a drink.
    • 6:00 am: Ron wakes again, Amy is gone; her shoes, cigarettes, lighter, wallet, and key card all left behind.
    • 7:50 am: First shipwide announcement merely asks Amy to report to the purser’s office; disembarkation begins.
    • 9:00 am: Full ship search, but the critical window (6–9 am) allowed for possible abduction or disembarkation.

4. Cruise Ship Response and Criticism

• [31:28-37:42] The hosts harshly criticize the cruise line and the 1998 cruise director for lack of urgency and empathy.
  • Delayed, vague announcements meant the window to alert crew and passengers was lost.
  • Quote [32:04] (Emily): “He should have been banned from doing any interviews... The man had no warmth, no sympathy. I’ve never...wanted to come through the television [so much].”

5. Potential Sightings & Theories Post-Disappearance

• [41:01-49:56] Emily details reported sightings over the years:
  • Curacao Taxi Sighting (1998): Distressed woman matching Amy’s description intercepted by men.
  • Canadian Scuba Divers (1998): Saw a woman with Amy’s tattoos, pulled away by two men—later felt was Amy.
  • U.S. Navy Petty Officer (1999): Claims a woman identifying as Amy Bradley begged for help in brothel.
  • Sex Website Photo (2005): Family receives image of a woman resembling Amy, but all tattoos/birthmarks are hidden.
    • FBI investigates but cannot conclusively ID her.
    • [46:16] (Emily): “If those pictures are correct pictures, like they're real, that's her.”
  • Judy in Barbados (2008): Woman accompanied by three men in a restroom says her name is Amy, is from Virginia.
    • Notably, Judy hadn’t known of the case prior to seeing Amy’s photo on TV.

6. Abduction Theory vs. Overboard/Suicide

• [58:03-63:47] Other explanations are surfaced:
  • Overboard—accident or suicide, some speculating sexuality/family acceptance issues.
  • Photo Contest Theory—Amy fell while taking a photo (Emily and Shane are skeptical).
  • Evidence against suicide:
    • She had new life plans, a puppy, job, apartment.
    • Currents should have brought up her body, but nothing was ever found.
  • Complicating the overboard theory: her belongings and the sighting timeline.

7. Problems with the Investigation & Family Lawsuits

• [62:10-70:12] The Bradleys were scammed by a “Navy SEAL” for $200,000.
• Family sued Royal Caribbean for negligence and wrongful death, but cases were dismissed for perjury and withholding evidence in depositions—details omitted from the documentary.
  • Quote [68:51] (Emily): “[The judge] said, ‘you're perjured the court, you're not forthcoming in these depositions.’”

8. The Yellow Theory & Photo Evidence

• [52:19-54:14] "Yellow" (Alistair Douglas) is the crew member last seen with Amy.
  • Daughter claims he kept a suitcase of white women’s photos; missing cruise photos of Amy reinforce suspicion.
  • Possible theory: cruise staff acting as spotters for human trafficking.

9. Ongoing Clues and Uncertainties

• Jawbone washed up in Aruba in 2010—ruled out Natalie Holloway, never tested for Amy.
• Traffic to “Amy Bradley Is Missing” website spikes from Caribbean islands around family birthdays.
  • Speculation that Amy herself is looking at these updates, though nothing conclusive.

10. Calls for Change & Broader Implications

• Petition for "Amy Alert" system on cruise ships (like Amber Alert).
• Post-Amy changes include more security cameras and policies restricting crew–guest fraternization.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [06:42] Emily: “When you get on a cruise ship... you go onto the cruise ship thinking, I'm about to depart the US on a floating island that has no security. Security? No police force.”
• [24:00] Shane: "First mistake: Don't sleep on a balcony on a cruise ship in international waters."
• [32:04] Emily (on the cruise director): “He should have been banned from doing any interviews on behalf of the Caribbean. The man had no warmth, no sympathy.”
• [41:21] Emily: “When I first heard this first sighting... I thought maybe he [taxi driver] saw the posters... and was trying to get a reward.”
• [46:16] Emily: “If those pictures are correct...that’s her.”
• [68:51] Emily: “[The judge] said, ‘you're perjured the court, you're not forthcoming in these depositions.’”
• [76:35] Emily: “...Based upon the credible sightings, the fact that Alistair Douglas was seen with her, that he had a suitcase of women's photos, that her photos disappeared from the ship, that it is very, very likely and very possible that she's still alive and that she was abducted.”
• [77:52] Shane: "You're only as strong as your weakest link... if they don't lock down the ship, then none of that's gonna work."

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Segment Timestamps

• [04:26] Episode focus and why Amy Bradley’s case captured Emily’s attention
• [06:37-11:01] Detailed breakdown of cruise ship jurisdiction and law
• [16:55-36:54] Timeline and night of disappearance
• [31:28-37:42] Cruise line response and criticism of ship staff
• [41:01-49:56] Post-disappearance sightings and theories
• [58:03-63:47] Weighing abduction theory vs. suicide/accident
• [62:10-70:12] Legal aftermath, lawsuits, and family’s credibility issues
• [76:35-78:01] Host conclusions and hopes for resolution
• [77:52-78:31] Policy changes and structural recommendations

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Conclusion & Expert Takeaways

• Emily leans toward the abduction theory, highlighting credible sightings, suspect crew behavior, and post-disappearance online activity.
• Shane agrees it’s plausible, noting the recurring theme of “jurisdiction always favoring the cruise line.”
• Frustrations include lack of early action by the cruise line, poor investigation, lost or flawed evidence handling, and lack of closure for the family.
• This case remains unsolved but continues to drive advocacy for passenger safety reforms on cruise ships.

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For those interested in the full story, the Netflix documentary and the FBI website provide further resources.

Transcript

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[Emily Simpson]

Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll be your host. Emily Simpson. And Shane. First of all, it's just Shane because everyone when. When people DM me now about you and the podcast, they. They call you just Shane.

[Shane]

First name, just last name Shane.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. So we are excited to do this podcast today because we are not in our normal setting in a bedroom in.

[Shane]

Our house with dogs and kids running.

[Emily Simpson]

Around with where we. Where we have to hit pause because someone needs a snack. We are actually in beautiful Lake Tahoe at this home of VRBO home. And it is magnificent. It is so, so beautiful. The view is unreal. So we're super excited to do this podcast today because look at this view behind us.

[Shane]

I know, it's awesome.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Very outdoorsy.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, I first of all, I'm so excited about doing this podcast today because we are going to talk about it. It came out on Netflix. It's called Amy Bradley is missing. And I will be honest, even though this took place in the 90s and I feel like I'm like an expert in all things 90s, I had actually never heard of Amy Bradley before and this incident on a cruise ship. So when I started watching it on Netflix, I wasn't even really all that invested in it. It's three parts and by the time I watched the entire thing, I was just completely invested. I have not stopped researching. I feel badly for my producer on this podcast because I have inundated her with every possible article Reddit thread.

[Shane]

You don't for me for talking about it all week.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I don't feel sorry for you at all. That's what you signed up for. But I don't know if Maddie knows that's what she signed up for. All right, let's start off. Let's just give a brief synopsis of the case. This is actually from the FBI's website because it is still, even though it's been 27 years, it is an active case. So 23 year old Amy Lynn Bradley, while on a family cruise in the Caribbean, went missing from the Royal Caribbean International Cruise Line. The ship was called Rhapsody of the Seas. Also, this was something else I looked up. I wanted to know if that ship was still work, like a working ship today. It's operating. It is still an operating ship, however, and I don't know if you guys know this, because I wanted to know this.

[Shane]

Let me guess what you want to use. You want to go on the ship and go in her room?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, that. Yes, I do.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

But I wanted to know if they changed the name of the ship or if they kept it Rhapsody, like rebranded it. Yeah, because I don't know if they wanted to be like, welcome to the ship that Amy Bradley was.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Disappeared on. So I didn't know if they changed the name. So if anybody knows that, I was not able to find confirmation of that. So on Saturday, March 21st of 1998, the vessel departed San Juan, Puerto Rico and traveled to its very first port of call, which was Aruba. The next day. Or no, by Monday, March 23, 1998, Rhapsody of the Seas departed Aruba and was traveling in international waters to its next island, Port of Curacao. First of all, do you want to tell me what international waters are, sir?

[Shane]

What do you think maritime law is or how it applies? Well, okay, first of all, you're the big lawyer, you tell me.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, I'm a big lawyer. Okay. First of all, when we were watching this, I think a lot of people when you take a cruise, because I've taken multiple cruises. But when you get on a cruise ship, do you go onto the cruise ship thinking, I'm about to depart the United States on a floating island that has no security. Security? No police force. Well, there. There's security, but no police force.

[Shane]

Well, yeah, but the security is hired by who?

[Emily Simpson]

The cruise ship.

[Shane]

Exactly.

[Emily Simpson]

And I'm just going to float out in the middle of the sea and hope that nothing happens. You know, you don't really think that. You just think I'm going to drink and I'm going to hang out by the pool.

[Shane]

That's right.

[Emily Simpson]

But it's really a risk when you step onto a cruise ship.

[Shane]

Well, there's lots of risk. Going on a plane is a risk. Yeah, you go on a plane. I mean, you have the Air India flight. You know, unfortunately, the pilot is known to have purposely caused the plane to crash. So we put our.

[Emily Simpson]

I didn't know that. Is that breaking news? You heard it.

[Shane]

I didn't tell you that.

[Emily Simpson]

You heard it first.

[Shane]

We flew today, so I didn't tell you that. Cut off the engines and purposely it went down.

[Emily Simpson]

Wow. I did do a little research because I wanted to understand a little bit briefly about. About the law when you're on a cruise ship. So basically every cruise ship has to be registered, and it's registered with a specific country, and then that country.

[Shane]

A port.

[Emily Simpson]

A port. So for example, I think it said Royal Caribbean has most of their ships registered. I don't remember. Like with the Bahamas.

[Shane]

Yeah, Bahamas, right.

[Emily Simpson]

And then maybe they had like another one registered in Panama or something. So then that be your governing laws for the ship.

[Shane]

And I would imagine that they choose those places because they have looser laws. Yeah. Or it's a business decision. It's not based on like, you know, the security of the passengers or anything.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Then when you are in a port, the laws of that port apply if the crime takes place in the port.

[Shane]

Yeah. Regardless of what port you're in. So if you're. If it's registered in Bahamas, but you're in. But you're in Italy for some reason at that port, then that. And the crime occurs while within that port. That port will have jurisdiction.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So then. But when you're out in the open sea, the way I understand it is if you're 24 miles out away from land, that's called international waters. And then when you're in international waters, I believe it's the country where the ship is registered, sort of. Okay, thank you for that explanation.

[Shane]

All right, so within 12 miles, law applies. So if you break the law within 12 miles, whatever that law is, you know, drugs or assault, battery, whatever the law, the law of the land applies just the same within the next 12 miles. So from 12 to 24 miles, you. There's the laws. I think the laws of the land don't really apply the same, but there are some laws that apply. Like you can't. You can't just go out within that distance and start to dig an oil well and things like that. So there are some laws that apply, just less laws. And then when you go out further, then the, the. Although maybe some laws don't apply, like, you know, civilian criminal laws. Don't apply, but there are still laws that apply that protect the country, you know, to secure the oil, secure the, the water and things like that, and not produce waste and things like that. So it's not just if you're out in the ocean, you can do whatever you want.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, it sounds like it. Once you get past 24 miles, you can just be a pirate, pretty much, because then.

[Shane]

So if crime occurs with beyond the 24 miles that we're talking about, then it goes to that port or the flag state, as I read it goes to that port, but also the country nearest can choose. Or like, if there's a U.S. person, like, was Amy Bradley a U.S. citizen?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

So the U.S. can choose to go in and investigate for its own people.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay.

[Shane]

So it's a little complicated and there's a lot of layers, which causes a lot of issues, because then the US Might say, do we really want to spend all our resources and go and try to find this person? Maybe the Baha, the bohemian, you know, jurisdiction doesn't want the US So they kind of maybe put protections in there to try to prevent it because maybe they don't want Bahamas to get a bad rap with the cruise lines.

[Emily Simpson]

So, so basically, it's complicated. It's complicated jurisdiction when you're on a cruise ship. Yes. All right, so during the early in.

[Shane]

Favor of the cruise line, it's always.

[Emily Simpson]

In favor of the cruise line. Yes. That's another thing. You got to look at the back of the ticket. You got to read the fine print.

[Shane]

Well, that's not going to do you.

[Emily Simpson]

Any good because you can decide whether you want to get on or not.

[Shane]

Yeah, well, you're probably not going to want to get on if you read the back of the ticket.

[Emily Simpson]

Probably not.

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[Emily Simpson]

So during the early morning hours, this is Tuesday, March 24, 1998. Amy Lynn Bradley went missing as the ship arriving right into port in Curacao. The FBI is offering a reward of up to 25,000 for information leading to her recovery. All right, that is just a brief synopsis that's on the FBI's website. It's clearly an open case, but I wanted to do a timeline and break it down and go into detail as to. Because there was a very, very small window of time in which she disappeared. And I am very confused by that small window of time. And I think that's why this case is so, so compelling and why people are so invested in it is because everyone online is trying to figure out what happened with it within that very small window of time. And actually, I think the story is so interesting and it, it invokes so much conversation. It also reminds me of Karen Reed because there's a very small amount of time that everything took place where you, you, something. He, he died, he. There's a murder or, or something, but you don't know exactly what it is. And I. This case is so interesting and compelling because honestly, at the end of the day, I don't know if we will ever know what actually happened to her. And I think that's why it's so intriguing.

[Shane]

I thought we were here to solve that case.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. Breaking news. We, we're gonna solve the Amy Bradley case by the end of this.

[Shane]

She'll be a guest later on this podcast. No, really, my question is first, give me an overview. Like, who, how many days was she out there? Who was she with?

[Emily Simpson]

Okay.

[Shane]

Like some of those bases so we can get a picture.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. So the Bradley family. And it's important to know all the characters in this family. That's a mom is Iva, Ron is the dad. Amy and Brad are sisters and brothers or sister and brother. They depart San Juan, Puerto Rico aboard the Royal Caribbean's Rhapsody of the Seas. It is a seven day Caribbean cruise. First of all, this is very important and I feel like it kind of got glossed over in the Netflix documentary, but all four of them are sharing one room on a cruise ship. And you've been on a cruise before.

[Shane]

I don't think that's. I'm guessing that's not a cruise. Common.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm not saying it's common or uncommon. I'm saying I think it's very important when we get into the details of what happened. But I want. You've been on a cruise. We've been on a cruise. We went last summer and it was you and me and the boys were all in a room. And that room is tiny, right. For four people to sleep in a room on a cruise ship. It is very, very small. And we'll, we will get to that because I think that's an important factor to remember as we go through this timeline. Amy is 23 years old. She recently graduated from college and she's looking forward to living in a new apartment. She also got a new puppy and she's starting a new job as a computer consultant once she comes back from this cruise. I think these are all important details too, because a lot of people like to speculate that she committed suicide that day.

[Shane]

She had she had some, some things to look forward to, right? Yeah, she was developing a career.

[Emily Simpson]

So on Tuesday, March 24, around 1am There is a crew member named Alistair Douglas who goes by the nickname Yellow and that's because his hair is like Yellow Yellow. He claims he left the ship disco party after dancing with Amy. Now there's key card data. The key card is interesting too because the data on a cruise ship with a key card only gives you the data when someone unlocks the door to enter, locks the door to enter, but you cannot get any data as to.

[Shane]

When a door need the car to exit.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So there's key card data to prove his entry at this time. So there's key card data that shows that he left the disco party where he's seen dancing with Amy and he actually goes back to his room at some point. The cabin door system can only record when a person enters the room with their key card, but cannot identify when they exit.

[Shane]

Multiple people can enter with one key card. So he could, he could have brought a buddy or something. I'm just saying it doesn't, doesn't take role of who entered.

[Emily Simpson]

And also the key card was used, right? And this is in the 19, this is 1998. So I don't know if now because you know, when you take a cruise now everybody gets their own key card, even if you're a kid and you have to carry it all the time, you have to use it to purchase anything, you have to use it to get it out of the room. But the thing is like I remember when we were on the cruise, like sometimes I would use your card to get into the room and sometimes so I don't even know if it's that specific. I bet you back then it was.

[Shane]

Literally just unlock, right?

[Emily Simpson]

So Brad, Amy's brother, was also at the disco party but left shortly before his sister at 3:35am so this is registered in the room. Brad used his key card to enter the family suite. Five minutes later at 3:40am, Amy returns from the disco where she's been dancing with this guy. And also by the way, the guy, Alistair Douglas, he works for the ship, he is the bass player and the band, I believe the band's name is Blue Orchid and they're playing live music and they're flirting. So this guy is a crew member.

[Shane]

And do we know that, we know the key cards are used? Do we know that it's the actual people using it? Well, or it's, it's assumed.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, Amy returns to the room and it's recorded in the cabin door system. So then Brad and Amy are hanging out on the balcony in their room. They're sitting out there together.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

She had had some light beers, I think it said like she had said that she had seven light beers while she was at this disco. But apparently the beer consumption was over a long period of time. So it wasn't like she sat at that disco and drank seven beers all at one time. So at 3:40am Amy returns to the cabin and 3:40am That's.

[Shane]

I'm asleep by then.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, yeah, well, you and I go to bed at 9. So 3:40am is like, that's like if.

[Shane]

We were on that cruise ship, we would have heard nothing.

[Emily Simpson]

No, nothing. Right. They would ask me. I'd be like, Amy Bradley, who?

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[Shane]

I go to bed at night.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. No disco parties for me. So Brad and Amy hang out on the cabin's private balcony. And then so they're sitting out there.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

He.

[Emily Simpson]

I saw a podcast with him. He talks about how they were just sitting out there talking, chit chatting and then he decides to go to bed. So he goes back into the cabin and he goes to sleep. Now we have to remember his mom and dad are in the cabin and they're asleep in one bed.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

Then he and Amy have like some pull out rollout kind of cot, things that remember we had to do when we.

[Shane]

Yeah, like couches or makeshift beds. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

So now we've got Amy on the balcony. Yeah, we've got the mom and the dad asleep in the bed.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

And then we've got the brother that comes in from the balcony and goes to sleep on the cot. This is a 3:40 between 5:15am and 5:30am, Ron Bradley, who is Amy's dad, he awakens and he sees Amy sleeping on the balcony chair. Only her legs were visible. And then he dozes off again. So he wakes up, he sees Brad asleep, his wife's asleep next to him. He looks out the balcony door, he sees Amy sitting on the balcony. He can see her legs. And then he goes back to sleep. This is a five.

[Shane]

I'm sorry, this is the father.

[Emily Simpson]

This is the father. Because this whole family, all four of them are in one little room.

[Shane]

I mean, I'm not saying he's guilty by any stretch, but it's a little odd to see your kid asleep on a balcony and not think, oh, let me bring her in and put her in their bed.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she's 23 though.

[Shane]

I know I'm not. And I'm not saying he's guilty, but I'm just saying, like, first mistake.

[Emily Simpson]

First mistake.

[Shane]

First mistake. Don't sleep on a balcony on a cruise ship. When you're on a cruise ship.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

In international waters, according to Emily.

[Emily Simpson]

After you've had.

[Shane]

Without reading the passenger ticket with that.

[Emily Simpson]

With seven beers in your system. Yeah. Not good. So he wakes up, this is around 5:15, 5:30am he looks out, he sees her legs. He dozes back off. Between 5:30 and 5:40am There are three other passengers on the ship that reported seeing Amy on an upper deck of the ship with yellow. So that's the bass player I told you about.

[Shane]

Where did they see her from?

[Emily Simpson]

They were sitting up on an open deck from another.

[Shane]

Okay, so from. From outside the boat somewhere.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, like, I think like a pool area.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

And they claim. And this was in the documentary and an interview, they claim that they see Amy in yellow walking to an elevator. You know how the elevators are glass.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

And that they see them get onto, like, a glass elevator together, and they see them go up together. And that she has a drink and it looks like there's a dark liquid. So this is. So we've got Amy out on a balcony, as her dad says, between 5am and 5:15. Then you've got these other passengers that claim they saw her with yellow around 5:30am okay, so assuming that they can't. They can't exactly say that was the time. They just think that that was possibly the time. So then between. So then at 6am the dad wakes up again, and he looks out on the balcony, and Amy's not there. She's gone.

[Shane]

Okay, which would make sense based on the other testimony, that she was in an elevator.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, so the dad, he wakes up, he looks out there at 6am she's gone. But the door was slightly ajar. So the balcony door was left open. Her cigarettes and lighter were missing, but her shoes. And she had, like, a polo shirt over a tank top. And her polo shirt was left behind, like she had taken it off and left it. And then her shoes were, like, neatly pushed on the balcony. And the little table on the balcony was.

[Shane]

And I'm sorry, this was witnessed by who?

[Emily Simpson]

This is. This is the daddy wakes up.

[Shane]

Yeah. Okay, so it's the father, he wakes up.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. He looks out on the balcony. She's not there. So out on this table on the balcony is her shoes, her cigarettes and a lighter and her wallet. They're all left behind.

[Shane]

This isn't questionable. This is official. This is all left behind as you just described.

[Emily Simpson]

So then around 6:30, I guess the dad gets up to go look for her because he looks out on the balcony. She's not there, but her stuff's out there. So he gets up and he goes to look for her. He looks on the ship. I'm sure he goes to all the usual places you would look for someone on a ship up. Where is she? I don't know. Getting breakfast. Is she up by the pool? Is she sitting out somewhere?

[Shane]

She in the elevator?

[Emily Simpson]

Is she in the elevator with yellow? Whatever. Around 6:30am, Ron, he comes back to the room and he wakes up Iva, the mom, and Brad and inform them that Amy was missing. The family then goes the Royal Caribbean crew and asks them to delay disembarkment because at this time they've either pulled into Curacao and they're stopped or they're just now stopping. So they go and say, look, our daughter's missing. We can't find her anywhere. Can you please not let anyone disembark off the ship? But here's one more thing I want to talk about before we go on with this timeline a little bit more. I cannot for the life of me understand how that small room with three people sleeping in it, if she's on the balcony and then she comes back into the room and she leaves through.

[Shane]

That door, why didn't anyone wake up?

[Emily Simpson]

How did no one pass out?

[Shane]

They're up late at night at the discotheca. The discotheca or whatever it's called there. It had a few drinks and they're crushed.

[Emily Simpson]

But that door is so loud, it makes like a loud metal clicking.

[Shane]

Okay, so you're saying she jumped?

[Emily Simpson]

I. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just saying there. I don't know what. I really don't know.

[Shane]

Next cruise.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

I'm gonna sneak out at five in the morning and see if you wake up.

[Emily Simpson]

I will. As soon as I hear that door, I'm gonna be like, where are you going? Are you getting breakfast without me?

[Shane]

Why is your wallet here? Why are your shoes neatly put away?

[Emily Simpson]

Who are you meeting?

[Shane]

What are you doing?

[Emily Simpson]

Also, we have to talk about this because the shoes were. Let's assume that she did go out the door and nobody heard it. For some reason, they were just so soundly asleep in this little tiny room that they did.

[Shane]

Which I believe is possible that they.

[Emily Simpson]

Didn'T hear her go out the door. Yeah, she didn't take her shoes.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

And she didn't Take her cigarettes and her lighter and she didn't take her wallet. So if she did leave, did you.

[Shane]

That means. That means she didn't take her key card either.

[Emily Simpson]

That's my question. Did she not take the key card with her? Is the key card in her wallet?

[Shane]

I want to know that.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, not that I've seen anywhere. I want to know because I think that's a. If the key card was left in the wallet, then maybe she did go overboard. But if the key card was not in her wallet and it was on her person, then I would assume that she did leave the room and that she was going to meet someone. And also you have to assume if she was going to meet someone, she was going to meet them briefly because she doesn't have any shoes and she doesn't have a wallet.

[Shane]

Taking, taking the key card or not taking a card is not conclusive. But it certainly.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, you could have forgotten it. I forget it all the time.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah, but, but I mean, it certainly does lead to something like if she took it, that's different than not taking it as far as, like, what could have happened.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Because I'm saying if her key cards left behind and she did not take it with her, then there is the possibility that possibly she went over the edge somehow. But if she took the key card and the key card is not in her wallet or on her person, I don't know. Anyway, that was just something to think about. So at 7:50am the first public shipwide announcement was made. First of all, we have to say, first of all, I do remember from the documentary that Royal Caribbean refused to.

[Shane]

Do what breaking news. I just searched the answer.

[Emily Simpson]

What?

[Shane]

Yes. Amy Lynn Bradley's key card was reportedly left behind in her cabin when she disappeared.

[Emily Simpson]

See, now.

[Shane]

Now you have more questions.

[Emily Simpson]

Now I have more questions. Yeah, yeah. Because if she wins that she.

[Shane]

When the family Woke up at 6am Amy was no longer in the cabin. Her key card, her shoes, her cigarettes, her lighters were all left behind.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, see now that lens to. If you're going to draw a column and you're going to say went overboard or was abducted, that goes into the went overboard category.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Because if she left through the door, she didn't have shoes and she didn't have a wallet, she didn't have a key card.

[Shane]

Like. Yeah, like what do you do? Yeah, yeah, like what. What person, in a normal sense, what person leaves their cabin on a cruise line without any of their things links.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Even if you're going to the pool, you Would take a key card or something. Obviously it was six in the morning, but.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, so I do know they, the family immediately goes to Royal Caribbean and they ask them to not let anyone disembark and to also make an announcement. Yeah, they would not make an announcement because they said they didn't want to set.

[Shane]

Because this is like several hours.

[Emily Simpson]

I think 7am they don't want to make an announcement at 7am because they don't want to startle passengers. They don't want to wake passengers up.

[Shane]

Yeah, heaven forbid they. People need their sleep.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

I mean, this is ridiculous.

[Emily Simpson]

What?

[Shane]

Yeah, I mean, the captain doesn't want people to sleep in. I mean, what's up with that?

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, I feel like this is a good point or to. I watched the documentary. Shane didn't. Obviously.

[Shane]

No.

[Emily Simpson]

However, they interview the cruise director from the Rhapsody of the Seas in 1998. I forget his name. What was his name? Kirk or something? Kirk Perk, the jerk.

[Shane]

Kirk Cruise, the cruise coordinator.

[Emily Simpson]

He, I. He should have been banned from doing any interviews on behalf of the Caribbean. The man had no warmth, no sympathy. I mean it was almost, it was. I have never in my life. He needed some media training. He needed some.

[Shane]

Was this interview back then?

[Emily Simpson]

No, this is a current day interview.

[Shane]

Oh, so he's trying to prepare.

[Emily Simpson]

He said 27 years. Okay, to get some sympathy or to do some media training. They interview him for this documentary. I have never. I, I am not a person. Look, I'm a public figure. I can't stand it when people come on my page and say things. But I tell you, I've never been so compelled to go find someone on Instagram.

[Shane]

If there's a time to do it, it's this cruise director.

[Emily Simpson]

You guys have all this hate in your heart. Please stop directing it at me. Please find the Cruise Director from 1998 on the Rhapsody of, of the Seas and please go direct it at him.

[Shane]

Yeah, okay.

[Emily Simpson]

He is the true villain. Every statement he makes is like, well, we got a cruise to run. You know, they paid a lot of.

[Shane]

Money and it's all business.

[Emily Simpson]

It's all business. He has no sympathy for this family. He's like, well, she just went overboard. Life goes on.

[Shane]

That's your first suspect, right? The guy that could care less where she is.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, this guy has. I mean, I, I just wanted to come through the television. I was like, just, just say what? Say one thing. Kind. Nothing.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

So. 7:50am the first public shipwide announcement was made and this was not alerting.

[Shane]

9:00Am No, 7:50am Seven, so two hours.

[Emily Simpson]

So 7:50am but all they would do was ask Amy Bradley to come to the purser's office. They would not alert Amy Bradley.

[Shane]

Please take off your handcuffs and untie yourselves and come to the front office.

[Emily Simpson]

Please stop being abducted. So at 7:50am they do make an announcement, but they basically are just saying, please come to the purchaser's office. So they're not. So here's the problem and this is where I know the family had the biggest issue and I think this is where, this is the time frame where maybe there could have been a different circumstance and what happened because you have a very limited time because the cruise ship is pulling into Curacao and people are disembarking, if at that time period they would have made an announcement at 7am before everyone got off, that said Amy Bradley has not been seen, she is missing. If anyone sees her, please be on the lookout for her. We're putting up photos of what she's saying.

[Shane]

For example, those people that saw her in yellow in the elevator, they might have came forward quicker.

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly.

[Shane]

Might have remembered better.

[Emily Simpson]

Right?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

But at that time, when everyone is disembarking this ship, when they pull into Curacao, they don't know she's missing and they, they don't know what's going on.

[Shane]

They don't know that we announcement and ask for so and so to come to the front office. I would never once think for anything.

[Emily Simpson]

No, absolutely. So no one has any idea what's going on. So basically during that time period, if Royal Caribbean would have had a different policy possibly and alerted the, the crew as well as the passengers that there is a girl missing. And then here's, it's 1998. So they don't have like, they don't have the digital like we do now, where they things on the tv.

[Shane]

Sure, sure.

[Emily Simpson]

So I don't know how they could disseminate like what she looks like, but they could have, I don't know, hung pictures of her up or something or I, I don't know, just be on the lookout for, yeah, this girl. I, I don't know how they would get her image out there, but at least passengers would be aware of what's going on and maybe more witnesses would have been able to help or stop it or come forward and they would have had more information at that time. All right, so then at 9:00am so they.

[Shane]

Okay, so hold on. So we're at 7:50am yeah, they make an announcement and that's it the cruise? Has it, Is it docked?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

Has anyone left yet? I just want to get the timeline.

[Emily Simpson]

They're disembarking now. They're going. People are leaving.

[Shane]

Are they are. Oh wow. Well, geez. Well, I would be standing on that port and watching everyone come out, I guess if it was my daughter missing.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I think that's, I mean, I.

[Shane]

Mean that's something to do. I mean, I don't know. I, well maybe I'd be irrational and I'd be.

[Emily Simpson]

First of all, they're hysterical.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I, I get that. So maybe. But right now, sitting here.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

In this chair.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

You're telling me that's what I think should be done at the least. I mean what I'm gonna do, walk up and down the hallways. I'm gonna go and you know, at the bottleneck where.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but you also have to think that you're up on a.

[Shane]

No, I know.

[Emily Simpson]

No, but you're up on a deck talking to officials saying please make an announcement while people are disembarking off this ship at this, I mean it's a huge cruise line.

[Shane]

That's where the cruise line screwed up. And I know we shouldn't be laughing at this, but we're laughing at the people that just really took this way too lightly or you know, it's disapproval of their, of their lack of care for a missing individual.

[Emily Simpson]

So then at 9am the crew conducted what's called a full on board search and no sign of Amy was found. This search, the way I understood it was it's like a nook and cranny search. Like the entire crew is involved and they go into every room they open, every door they open. Happened.

[Shane]

Oh, now that everyone's gone.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she, she hasn't been seen since 6am and now it's Right.

[Shane]

But everyone, everyone got off the ship.

[Emily Simpson]

So there's a three hour time frame where she could have disembarked, she could have been taken off the ship.

[Shane]

Absolutely.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. But there's a three hour window where we don't know what happened. And, and the, you know, so that's a long time. Yeah. So March 24th through the 27th, the FBI in the Netherlands Antilles on Antilles Coast Guard carried out a four day marine and aerial search. In the documentary, the Curacao officials, because they become involved because that's where, that's the port we're at. Now we're in Curacao. The Curacao officials said that they expected Amy's body to turn up in the sea if she had jumped or fallen. But a body never shows up.

[Shane]

And they mean based on currents and stuff. Like, it was reasonable for them to think not. They were just hoping. They believed that that would be the case.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So they interviewed some. An official from Curacao that was involved in the search. I'm sorry, where's Curacao? It's a little island. Is it. Is it by Aruba? It's like Aruba and Curacao and Aruba. I don't know. It's in the Caribbean. Oh, Barbados is over there somewhere, too.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

Barbados. I actually, honestly, I have to say, because I'm not good at geography. I admitted that on the. When we did the podcast on the Idaho murders, and I didn't even know Idaho, like Idaho was up there by Canada. Had no idea.

[Shane]

Well, that's why we do legally Burnett and not topography Burnett.

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly.

[Shane]

Because you do not know where.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I don't.

[Shane]

Certain lands are.

[Emily Simpson]

No, but I had never. I have to admit, I'd never heard of the island of Curtis, probably Portuguese Curacao, until this documentary. Anyway, so the Curacao official says that they did an intense search of the water and that if she would have fallen overboard, that they would have seen a body or a piece of clothing or something. Something would have washed up. Based upon the wrap. How? The water, the current, the tide, all of that. So he was convincing that there wasn't.

[Shane]

That was more likely that she did not.

[Emily Simpson]

That she did not know the waters. Yeah, right.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

All right. Now, after she disappears, there's been sightings of her. Now, I have to say, I think most people. This also reminds me of Karen Reed too, because most people, when you don't know, when you don't take a deep dive into this case, the first thing that you think or say when you take a cursory review of it is, oh, she don't. She went overboard.

[Shane]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Emily Simpson]

She fell.

[Shane]

I would think so.

[Emily Simpson]

Jumped. Yeah, she went overboard.

[Shane]

She was drunk.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. That reminds me of Karen Reed. Because when you look. When you don't take a deep dive into Karen Reed, your first thought is, she was drunk.

[Shane]

Oh, I know. And those people are so oblivious, so ignorant.

[Emily Simpson]

That was you.

[Shane]

They're obvious to just think that you should be open to the facts.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, that was you in the beginning. No, but anyway, my point was, if you don't take a deep dive into it, the logical conclusion when you just look at a very limited amount of facts is that, yeah, she was Wrong. She hit him. I think this is the same with Amy Bradley. If you don't take a really deep dive into the case, it's like, okay, well, the. The logical conclusion is she's on the balcony, she fell off, or she jumped.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

So there have been multiple sightings and leads since she disappeared. So in March 24, 1998, this is in Curacao, the morning of Amy's disappearance, there was a taxi driver located near the cruise.

[Shane]

The morning that.

[Emily Simpson]

Within 24 hours, the morning that she disappears, a tax. He claims that a distressed young woman matching Amy's description approached him frantically and asked where the nearest phone was. Before she could continue, she was intercepted by two men who led her away. He reported this information later and did not act in real time. Now, I don't know exactly how much later he reported this, but he did come forward and say that he saw a woman asking for a phone. She looked distressed. Two men came up and grabbed her and pulled her away.

[Shane]

And he.

[Emily Simpson]

He claims that it. It was her. Now, when I first heard this first sighting and it was the taxi driver, I didn't put a lot of weight into it when I saw it because I thought maybe he saw the posters, because they had posters up, you know, offering 25, 000 reward or whatever. And I thought maybe he was just like, oh, I saw her.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Trying to get a reward.

[Shane]

So it was almost like he planted in his head.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Whether he saw it or not, I.

[Emily Simpson]

Didn'T put it a lot of weight into that sighting.

[Shane]

Let me guess. Until you went to Vegas.

[Emily Simpson]

I went.

[Shane]

You were almost abducted.

[Emily Simpson]

I was almost abducted in Vegas.

[Shane]

See?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

See if you went missing that day.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

And thank goodness you didn't.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, well, I'm glad you added that. Caveats.

[Shane]

Had you gone missing that day.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

That taxi driver would have done the same thing. He would have said, yeah, I know. Some lady came up, wanted to ride, then two men came and took her away.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, also, the difference is if I would have gotten into that car, there's. There's cameras all over. And that's another problem with a cruise ship in 1998 is there's not security cameras everywhere. There were only security cameras in the big open areas, like the. Like the pool and things like that. They didn't have security cameras everywhere.

[Shane]

This is monitoring all the people in bathing suits.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, exactly.

[Shane]

The camera's like, where should we. We have three cameras. Where should we put.

[Emily Simpson]

By the pool.

[Shane]

Yeah, exactly it.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, then In August of 1998, this is on Curacao. Beach. You say Curacao. How do you say it?

[Shane]

Curacao Kurasa if it's Portuguese.

[Emily Simpson]

Two Canadian tourists were scuba diving at playa Porto Marie. They saw a woman with Amy's tattoos. Now she has a Tasmanian devil and barbed wire Tattoo.

[Shane]

That is 1998.

[Emily Simpson]

It is, right? Nothing screams 1998 like a barbed wire tattoo and a Tasmanian. She looked distressed and seemed unable to speak freely. They only learned later about Amy being missing and reported it months after making this sighting. Here was the issue too, was that I. They interviewed the man that saw her. He was very credible. I. I believed him. He was scuba diving. He has, I think he has background in, like, cyber security or something. He was with a friend on the beach, and he said a woman walked by him on the beach, looked right at him, looked like she wanted to say something to him. And then two men came up and grabbed her and kind hold her away.

[Shane]

I'm sorry, when was this that he claims to have seen her?

[Emily Simpson]

This is in August of 1998. So this is what, three, four months after she disappeared.

[Shane]

These two men can't keep a hold of her, apparently.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I know. They just. She keeps wandering off and they keep having to grab.

[Shane]

Why are people just like, ah, some lady asked for directions, then two men came and took her away, and that's the end of it.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. He also claims that one of the men that was with her looks like Alistair Douglas, the guy named yellow who was on the ship and was part of the crew. So this is. This is one of the more credible leads. And I found this guy when they interviewed him. I found him to be very, very credible.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

He didn't come forward until, I believe, later. Was it a magazine or something? He saw a photo of her, like, amy Bradley's missing. And then he was like, he put it together. He put it together and he was like, that's the girl I saw on the beach. And then he, you know, reached out to authorities. So that's a very credible sighting of her on a beach in Curacao.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

In January of 1999. This is a brothel in Curacao. A u. S. Navy petty officer William Hefner, he claims that he saw a woman in a brothel and she introduced herself as Amy Bradley and begged him for help, saying she was being held against her will. The woman was quickly pulled away by her two handlers. He waited until fingers. Yeah, he waited until 2002 to report the incident due to fear of career consequences. This is because he was he's in the Navy. He was active duty in the Navy. They docked in Curacao, and he's at a brothel, where he's clearly not supposed to be at a brothel. So he claims that he saw Amy Bradley. She said, I'm Amy Bradley. I need help.

[Shane]

Not to be funny, but is a brothel legal there?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I don't know, but I was.

[Shane]

Wondering if it's, like, organized or if it's, like, totally, like, under wraps and it's. Then it's more shady.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I would say in the Caribbean. Like, I don't know if anybody's really. I think he. He just didn't want to be in trouble with the military. Oh, because he's a Navy. He's in the Navy, and he's not supposed to be at a brothel, drinking. All right, so he didn't report the incident until 2002, which is like, three years later. But that was another scenario where I. I bet he waited until he was discharged or he.

[eBay Fashion Pursuit Speaker Alternate]

He.

[Emily Simpson]

He was pension, whatever. He was out, and then he came forward and. And said that he saw her. Oh, but the brothel has since burned down. I was waiting. You see how I paused and they rehomed the dog. Then in 2005, this was. Okay, so there was a website that has sex workers on the website, and someone under an anonymous email emailed the family and showed a picture of Amy Bradley.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

On the website. And if you look at the pictures.

[Shane]

Did you compare the pictures?

[Emily Simpson]

I did. I mean, I don't know if you have. But, I mean, we'll pull it.

[Shane]

I've never seen anything.

[Emily Simpson]

So this is what she looks like when she disappeared. This is the picture of her on the website.

[Shane]

If those pictures are correct. Pictures like, they're real. That's her.

[Emily Simpson]

And the other interesting thing about the picture of her on the sex website is she does have distinguishing tattoos. We talked about it. She has the. She has the barbed wire tattoo. She has a Tasmanian devil tattoo. She also has a butterfly tattoo. And I think another one. I think there's a fourth tattoo.

[Shane]

When was the second picture taken?

[Emily Simpson]

This one? This is two. Well, the picture came to the family in 2005.

[Shane]

2005. So seven years later.

[Emily Simpson]

So this is. The first picture is on the cruise ship. That's 1998. The second picture on her of her on this website is 2005. Well, I don't know when it was taken, but it was sent to the family in 2005.

[Shane]

Well, she had significantly longer hair. I was just wondering how far apart they were.

[Emily Simpson]

But the Thing about the picture on the sex website is that none of her tattoos are shown, even though she has four. And she also has very distinguishing birthmarks, and she's positioned in a way where you can't see any of those.

[Shane]

You know, I wonder if. Did you. Did they ever show the actual website or a snapshot of the website or just that individual photo they showed?

[Emily Simpson]

And then in the documentary, they only show her photo.

[Shane]

They don't show the website.

[Emily Simpson]

Website. But the FBI did get involved in that sighting. They sent someone down to investigate, and they also did whatever the FBI does on the analytics on the photo to make sure it wasn't photoshopped.

[Shane]

Like the spaces that don't grow despite your growth.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Basically, like between the nose and the eyes and cheekbones and stuff, they don't change.

[Emily Simpson]

They couldn't 100 confirm her identity, but they said that it could definitely be her. I don't know. When I look like we all could have said bad, it looks like the same person.

[Shane]

I mean, it is the same person.

[Emily Simpson]

The nose, the way the mouth is shaped, the eyes, the eyebrows, everything looks identical.

[Shane]

In other words, her face is the same.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. Her face photos is the same.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[eBay Fashion Pursuit Speaker Alternate]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

Then there was another sighting in 2008. This is in Barbados. This was a witness. Her name was Judy Mauer. She was an American tourist. She's also in the documentary. She. She claims that she was in a department store restroom and she encountered a distressed woman accompanied by three men. See, they've upped security on her. They were like two. Clearly, two is not enough. She keeps getting away.

[Shane]

It's a growing enterprise.

[Emily Simpson]

It's getting larger from the stall. This woman. Judy heard a woman mentioned children, and the men referenced a client and an appointment and that she was forced to attend. When the men briefly left the restroom, Judy asked the woman about herself, learning that her name was Amy and that she was originally from Virginia.

[Shane]

And that's correct. She's from Virginia, Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

Judy was unable to act because the woman who allegedly was Amy was rushed out by the men too quickly. Judy claims she was not previously aware of Amy's case and only realized the significance of this encounter when she returned to the US and saw a television special. I think this was the Dr. Phil show. She was watching Dr. Phil and he did a story on the Amy Bradley disappearance. And they put her picture up. And then Judy was like, that's the woman I saw in the restroom in Barbados.

[Shane]

Supposed to show that? Assuming all these sightings are accurate, and is Amy Bradley, or even if it's Not Amy Bradley. They. They believe it to be Amy Bradley. That. But for the. The widespread news. How many of these women are abducted and it's not widespread news and they just go missing?

[Emily Simpson]

Tons.

[Shane]

Yeah, I know.

[Emily Simpson]

And apparently a cruise ship isn't easy.

[Shane]

And I'm trying to be funny, but like Dr. Phil, if he didn't have them on, this lady would never reported it. I mean, how many other times are there like that? And then. Then earlier when you're telling the story, I was thinking, why would they go all, like, go through the effort of going on a cruise ship? Because they'd have to, like, buy a ticket and then abduct someone and this and that. But it's because of. There's no jurisdiction. It's just a missing person, and that's the end of the case. She could have jumped off.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. You know what? Let me add one other fact in there. So, you know, when they went, you know, on a cruise ship, when you go to dinner and you do the formal dinner and they take photos, there were. They took photos of Amy and the family at the dinner. And then when the family went to pick up the photos, the photos of Amy were missing. Missing.

[Shane]

No. Really?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So that's another thing that you. You have to. That's why I tell you I need to make a column and put overboard.

[Shane]

Okay, so why abducted? Why would. Why would they go missing? Meaning, like, why. If the abductors were getting rid of these photos, what. What good did that do? I mean, we knew she was a person.

[Emily Simpson]

Because here's my thought. Yellow. And we'll get to this a little bit later, but maybe we'll just talk about it now. Yellow has daughters, and her name is Arnica Amica, not Arnika. Arnika is the medicine or something, right? Or Arnica.

[Shane]

Funny name.

[Emily Simpson]

Anyway, Amica is the daughter of Yellow, the guy who was talking to Amy, the last person she was seen with. Amica came forward and reached out to the Bradley family and had a conversation with them about her dad. My thought when I was watching it was she knew more than she was letting on in the documentary. I felt as if. If she knew that her dad was involved somehow, but she didn't want to give up her dad, so she kept giving her dad the opportunity to come clean, because she actually calls her dad while on camera being interviewed for this documentary, and ask him if he had anything to do with it. And on the phone, she's got him on speakerphone, he's like, I had nothing to do with it. You know, I saw her. We danced. That was it. That was the last thing. But the daughter claims that she saw a suitcase that her dad had that had photos of white women in it. Like. Like a lot of photos of all these different white women. So what I was thinking, how old.

[Shane]

Is this girl at the time?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, this. She's. I don't. She's in her 20s or something.

[Shane]

Okay, now she's an adult. No, but back then, she was a child.

[Emily Simpson]

She was a child.

[Shane]

And Yellow's daughter.

[Emily Simpson]

Yellow's daughter. And when I thought. When I saw. When I heard her say that she saw a suitcase that had photos of a lot of white women in it, and then the photos of Amy were missing, I thought, he's low on the totem pole. He's working for someone. If we're talking about an alleged abduction, he took the photos, and he's showing them to whoever the. And saying, hey, how about this girl? You know what I mean?

[Shane]

Oh, you think he used that as a lineup?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, like.

[Shane]

Like, he collects the photos, and then they pick one, and they're like.

[Emily Simpson]

And then he goes in a boxer, attractive and young. And, you know, she doesn't. She's not with, like, a whole bunch. She's not with, like, a big group of girls. You know, she kind of is with her family, so she's a loner. She's kind of off on her own, doing her own thing. She's at a disco. That's creepy. Right? So the photos was another thing that threw me off, the fact that they disappeared from the ship and the photos of the formal night were gone of her. And then allegedly, according to Yellow's daughter, he was found with a suitcase full of photos of women.

[Shane]

And that's the daughter saying that about.

[Emily Simpson]

About the dad and the daughter to me. And I don't know what you guys think when you watch this, but to me, I felt like the daughter knew more because she felt compelled to reach out to the Bradley family and talk to them and connect with them. I feel like she felt guilty. But she also didn't want to give up her dad, so I felt like she was very conflicted now.

[Shane]

Well, and that's why I asked if she was a younger child. I don't know how old she was. Let's say she was 12 or 13. Yeah, it's gonna be hard for someone. Like, that's not really gonna speak up.

[Emily Simpson]

She grew up. Up with this hanging over. Like, I know her dad was always.

[Shane]

In the back of her mind.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, and it was always an issue because I think he claims that Alistair Douglas claims that, you know, he was, you know, he gets online hate. He, he had trouble getting jobs because he was involved in this, you know, and, and he also was given a lie detector test by the FBI and it came out inconclusive.

[Shane]

Oh, and those lie detector test.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

You know what?

[Shane]

They're valid.

[Emily Simpson]

They are.

[Shane]

They are valid. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I need everyone to remember that. Please plant that in your brain.

[Shane]

Yes.

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[Emily Simpson]

So, Judy. Back to Judy. Judy's the one that saw her in the restroom or. Yeah, in a bathroom in Barbados. She's watching Dr. Phil. They're doing the story on Amy Bradley. It shows a picture of Amy Bradley and then she's like, that is the girl I saw in Barbados. So that's another. I don't know. I found her to be credible too, in her interview. You know, when you watch these things and you listen to people and you, you, you weigh whether you believe them or not. I found her to be very believable. Anyway, so the other theories as to what happened to Amy Bradley that night clearly are one, that she drank too much and that she fell overboard. Other people I've seen a lot of this have speculated that she was trying to take a photo because she was going to enter a photo contest. Yes. However, there's no camera. Unless she had a camera with her on the balcony and then she fell over and the camera went with her. But I don't know if I believe this whole photo theory of her trying to Take photos from the balcony and like, leaned over too far and ended up falling.

[Shane]

Yeah. Plus, it was middle of the night. What, she can take a photo of the black sky?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Shane]

Look how the black sky meets the black ocean.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, I don't know. So. But that's what some people.

[Shane]

I'm not buying that one.

[Emily Simpson]

There's also the theory, because Amy was a lesbian and she was in a relationship woman, but her parents were not accepting.

[Shane]

Overboard or something.

[Emily Simpson]

No, not that they threw her overboard, but there's people that speculate that maybe she committed suicide because her parents weren't accepting of the fact that she was a lesbian. However, I still go back to the fact that, you know, she seemed happy. She got a. I'm sorry, she got a puppy. And she had a puppy at home. And if you have a dog at home waiting on you, you're not going to commit suicide.

[Shane]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

You don't know?

[Shane]

No, because people, it's like saying, oh, oh, Robin Williams, he had everything at his. At his leisure.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Why would he kill himself? Because that's not it. And maybe he. Maybe he bought a fancy house. Maybe he tried to do the big movies to try to escape from his depression. So maybe her. Maybe she got a puppy. I. I don't think she did, but I'm telling you what's possible. Maybe she got a puppy. Maybe she was doing all these things to try to distract her from whatever was she was struggling with, with her folks.

[Emily Simpson]

Folks. Right.

[Shane]

So I'm just putting that out there. Just meaning you can't just look at someone and be like, oh, they must be happy because look at all they have.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So there were some things that were not in the documentary that I. Because after I watched the documentary, I don't just watch the documentary. I watch the documentary and then I obsess over the documentary. So then I constantly Google, read, read articles, get on Reddit. I read as much as possible to add to it. So there were some things that weren't in the documentary that I thought were important. And then I started to realize that the documentary was good, but you could tell it was. It was definitely positioned that she was abducted. And I think that's because. And this is just me, this is my opinion, I think, because they wanted the family involved in the documentary. The family is very much holding on to hope that she's adopted and she's alive and she's out there and they're going to find her.

[Shane]

Well, and maybe they were Also just putting it from her point, their point of view, you know, all that they gathered from them.

[Emily Simpson]

There were. There were certain things that were left out of the documentary that maybe weren't so savory towards the family.

[Shane]

Two questions before you get into that.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Is the documentary recent?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, it's on Netflix right now.

[Shane]

And the second question was, where's it streaming on Netflix? Okay, you answered that.

[Emily Simpson]

So there was also. The Bradleys were scammed out of $200,000 searching for Amy. So there was. There was a man that came forward. His name was Frank, and he claimed to be a former Navy seal. And he basically went to them and they. And he was like, look, I have a team. They're in the Caribbean. If you pay me, you know, I'm a former Navy seal. I'm going to go down there. We're going to find her. There's been sightings of her.

[Shane]

Is this a total scam?

[Emily Simpson]

We're going to get her? Yes. Total scam. So the family paid him around $22,000 out of their own personal money. Then I believe there was another around $180,000 paid to him that came from, like, some type of victims fund. So he. He scammed them out of over $200,000. He. As far as I know, he wasn't a former Navy seal. There was no Navy SEAL group in the Caribbean. He would also send photos to them and updates. Basically, like, I'm here. We've seen her. There's been sightings, and kept them. Them funding more money, you know, because it's like, we're close. We saw her. Here's a picture of her back. And they would send a photo of, like, a woman with a hat on, Things like that.

[Shane]

I mean, I'm mad at this person for scamming and. And tugging at the hearts of these people and using that. But I'm also mad at this family sometimes when it's like, why.

[Emily Simpson]

Why don't you.

[Shane]

You got to do some due diligence. You can't. People are gonna just. But I know that they just have this hope. Right. So there's throwing money, hoping that, you know something. So I. I feel for them, but it. Sometimes it makes me. It makes me really angry when people take money from victims like that. Yeah. And that are heartbroken. And then it really. And then I also get upset at the family for. For kind of letting themselves being taken advantage of.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So his name was Frank Jones, and.

[Shane]

That $200,000, they could have moved down there and lived there.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, he was.

[Shane]

And Walk around and try to look for her.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. That was another question I had. And these are just things that pop up in my mind. 1. Here's. Here's one question I have. And maybe. Maybe I'm just dumb. I don't know. But I do have a question. When. When she showed up on the website that showed her as a sex worker, and I know they sent the FBI down there to investigate. They even, like, they looked into the photo, they looked at the bed. They tried to find, like, the. The manufacturer of the bed so that they could locate, you know, this. I. But to me, I'm like, why didn't someone go undercover and. And try to hire her?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, if she was taken.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

He just went to the brothel.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Like, it took her. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, if she's on a website.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Being advertised. Yeah. As a sex worker.

[Shane]

He didn't call the FBI and say, hey, I think she's over there.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Why did.

[Shane]

And then they go. They go and, like, research the beds.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

He went in and he took her.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, why isn't someone, like, stationed down there undercover.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Trying to hire this girl?

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Because they're advertising her services. So how. How. How is it that. Like that. And maybe they did. Maybe that's just.

[Shane]

Well, assuming they didn't, that seems to be a missed opportunity for sure.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. And then to your point that you were talking about, as a parent, I think I would have done the same thing. I. I think I would move there, too. Because if there's all these sightings between these three little islands like Barbados and Aruba and Curacao, and there's multiple sightings in Curacao, I'm telling you what, we would all pack up and we would.

[Shane]

Leave if there was reason to believe that she's floating around out there. Absolutely.

[Emily Simpson]

And we would. Would all be living in Curacao, and every day we would be on a mission to. If I truly believed that she was alive and she was existing out there, I would find her.

[Shane]

I would be at every brothel.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, you would. I know you would. Thank you. Oh, there was another thing that wasn't in the Netflix documentary that Brad talks about on a podcast or it was also on some other. Some other. I think it was on An Unsolved Mysteries. It was said that Amy's brother Brad claimed that Yellow had come up to him on the pool deck shortly after Amy disappeared and said, hey, man, I'm sorry about your sister. Now, from what I take away from that is this is before anyone knew that she was truly missing. Cause it took so long before they made the announcement that she was missing. So yellow had come up and said, hey, I'm sorry about your sister before it was known. So that was something else that was. Was kind of omitted or not talked about in the documentary. Also, a jawbone washed up on shore near where Amy went missing. This is in 2010. Local authorities discovered a jawbone that washed up on a beach in Aruba. It was believed to belong to a Caucasian.

[Shane]

There was another female.

[Emily Simpson]

It just says Caucasian. There was another missing person case around the same time as this discovery. And that was 18 year old Natalie Holloway. The jawbone was tested and found to not belong to Natalie, but no such testing was carried out. Get carried out to see if it belonged to Amy Bradley. Now, see, there's another thing. You're spending $200,000 on a fake Navy seal, right? Like get the jawbone tested. I do believe you can.

[Shane]

Let's be fair. Maybe they were tapped out by then. Maybe it wasn't so easy.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, the FBI should be testing it. Somebody should be testing it.

[Shane]

Who's in custody of the jawbone at this time?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know who has the jawbone, but I would like.

[Shane]

Do we know someone's teeth on there or is it literally just a bone?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. But I do think that with bones now, can't you.

[Shane]

You. Yeah, but it's deep into the bone and there could be DNA in there. But you got to think 2010. So if this thing's floating around for 12 years in the ocean, it's gonna have a bunch of algae and stuff. Yeah, so.

[Emily Simpson]

So that was something else that they didn't really talk about. That Natalie Holloway case. That's an interesting one too. I feel like we need to do.

[Shane]

Are we talking about that today?

[Emily Simpson]

No, not today. You're like, I'm not prepared for that. I'm not prepared for that for any of them. You never are. Thanks for showing up, though. You are just. Shane. And then in 2010, even though there was no conclusion to this case, and it still is an open missing persons case and the FBI still has it as, you know, a missing persons. And if you have any information, however, she was declared dead in 2010 because she had been gone. And then there's one other thing I wanted to talk about that they didn't talk about in the Netflix documentary. And this is because I felt like, again, that the producers were pushing this narrative of like her being abducted. And I think they were trying to keep the family happy. And they wanted the family to be on board and they wanted the family to be a big part of it. The family sued Royal Caribbean right after this happened. And they, they, they actually sued them in two different lawsuits. One was like a negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress. And then the second one was a wrongful death.

[Shane]

Death.

[Emily Simpson]

But what happened was they, they sued them in Miami. That was the jurisdiction. Right. And they ended up dismissing both cases because they found that the Bradleys perjured themselves in court.

[Shane]

How so?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they say that they perpetuated a fraud on the, on the court by giving false answers during their depositions. And this is where I think one, in the wrongful death case, case, they want her to be dead. To be dead. So then you don't want to give information about sightings. So I think that they were not giving, they were not forthcoming about these credible sightings because they need her to be dead for the wrongful death suit. But then in the negligence and like the intentional infliction of emotional distress, I think there were lots of sightings, like 100 plus sightings that claim that they, they saw, that people saw her not under duress, just disembarking from the ship. And they didn't bring forth that evidence either. So basically they were withholding a lot of evidence in their depositions. And then the judge just got really irritated and said, you're perjured the court, you're not forthcoming in these depositions.

[Shane]

So both cases were. Yeah, they didn't prevail.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So that's what happened with those. And that was not brought up. There were no details given about these court cases in the Netflix documentary. I think it's because it doesn't look good for the Bradleys. That maybe takes away from their integrity or character.

[Shane]

Maybe the focus was on the. And I think they wanted Bradley as opposed to, you know, the legal progressions and whatnot.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. But I, I think it also goes down to just them and their credibility and.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, so anyway, so anyway, those were dismissed. And.

[Shane]

And then I read that the judge went on a cruise right after the case was dismissed.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh yeah. From Royal.

[Shane]

From Royal Caribbean.

[Emily Simpson]

Was it on Rhapsody of the Seas? Yes. All right. So I also read an article about the documentary makers were interviewed and I thought the interview was really interesting. So when asked if they think Amy is live. Arie. Mark. Ari. Ari. Mark said, I got to the point on this show where I became close enough with the people. Of course we remain objective and we were objective through the whole process. There are enough reasons to believe all of these things are possible. That's what makes it compelling. But Brad, Amy's brother said, says I have to cling to the hope. He's like, I'm not saying it's definitely this or definitely that, but I have to cling to the hope. I think that is important when you're analyzing this case is that there's enough credible sightings out there and then there's the website and there's the possibility that she is still alive. And that's what helps the family get through the day.

[Shane]

Oh yeah, I wouldn't be holding on to that too. I wouldn't be like. Well, I don't know. Probably not. I would be holding on to that.

[Emily Simpson]

And you know, and it's also would Interesting. They really like preserved her like a time capsule because she drove a Mazda Miata and they have the car in pristine condition in the parents.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

In. In the garage waiting for her.

[Shane]

Okay. One of your kids go missing, are you going to clean out the room and redecorate?

[Emily Simpson]

No, but I'm just saying I'd hold on to it. Yeah. So they're. They're holding on to hope that, that she is out there. My other question, and I didn't tell you this before, tell me what you think about this. This. The website. There's a website like Amy Bradley is missing website and they get a lot of hits because they've done the analytics on this website. It's information about her photos. The hits come from Barbados and Curacao, that area. And the hits are the most prevalent and the most hits around the family's birthday and holidays.

[Shane]

So I don't know if that means anything.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, a lot of people think it's Amy Bradley.

[Shane]

So what on the holiday, on her birthday, she goes. Oh, because. Are there updates on that website?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, there's updates.

[Shane]

I thought it was just like a missing poster.

[Emily Simpson]

No, well, it's. Amy Bradley is missing. But. But the family adds updates and they add photos and things and the most of the.

[Shane]

Okay, I'm gonna.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but come from those islands and.

[Shane]

You'Re implying, saying that it's possible that it's her.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, it's not just me. People think that it's her, that it could be her.

[Shane]

Why wouldn't she reach out?

[Emily Simpson]

That is my question. That's what I was getting to. I. If she's looking at a website and she's looking at photos of her family and she has access to a computer, why can't you just send like, can.

[Shane]

You send any like because maybe it's not her.

[Emily Simpson]

But then why are they.

[Shane]

Maybe.

[Emily Simpson]

But then why are they. Freeman, why are there so many hits on the days when, like, it's her brother's birthday or her mom's birthday?

[Shane]

This is official? This data is official?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. It's like a cyber.

[Shane]

Yeah. Okay, so it's a person. Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

Together. Yeah. And also, I don't know, it's been 27 years. In 27 years.

[Shane]

She's 50 now.

[Emily Simpson]

You couldn't slip a. Like a help me piece of paper over to someone or something?

[Shane]

Well, she did. Well, according to you, she went up to a couple people and she made efforts. Yeah, but it's not that easy. What if. What if the two men grab her, take her and beat her or do something or threaten to kill her family? We know where your family is either here on Dr. Phil, we're gonna kill him.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, there's.

[Shane]

And I. I. You can. You can. I can assure you that you can get any person, particularly someone you know, under threat like that, where she's been abducted, and she knows she's under their. Their control, and they can say, we know your family. We have pictures. We will kill them.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And that's the end of it. So. So you can't fault her for not reaching out. You can wonder why she couldn't, but you can't fault her if she doesn't reach out.

[Emily Simpson]

There are some people also that think that maybe she has children now at this point, and because there was some mention that one woman, Judy, that saw her in the bathroom in Barbados, said there was a conversation about, like, she overheard them saying, you can see the kids or you can see the children later or something like that. So people speculate that maybe she has children.

[Shane]

You know, 27 years. That's a long. That's longer than she was alive when she got abducted. So she might just be. Be, you know, accepting kind of her new.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I also thought maybe at this point, if she is alive, that maybe there's an element of Stockholm syndrome.

[Shane]

I guess that was my way of saying she's accepted kind of, this is my life. These are my kids. This is. This is just the way it is. Like, it's not great, but it's the way it is. Right. She kind of succumbed to the circumstances.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So when the picture. This is going back. We're just going back a little bit back to the creators who created this documentary when the picture of the prostitute and Curacao was brought up. They talk about Amy being positioned in a very specific. That would Hide her identifying marks, her tattoos and birthmarks, which we talked about earlier. Ari, Mark comments. That part really made us scratch our heads, too. The other piece that's hard to ignore is how seriously the FBI took the photo. It wasn't like they were like, oh, whatever. They really did chase down that lead. They analyzed the bed frame, tried to figure out where it was made. They sent an operative down there to actually scope it out. And they did look into the website and they brought in a trafficking expert. So that's all hard to ignore. Even with all those things and all the things the FBI did, they still couldn't locate her. Then the interviewer points out, on family, birthdays and holidays, traffic to the Bradley's Tips website spikes in the same geographical area where Amy has supposedly been spotted. The FBI does not have jurisdiction to pull the exact IP address, but they have the ability to, which is incredibly frustrating. So that was the other thing. They cannot. They're not pulling the IP address of these hits. Hits on this Amy Bradley updates website. All right, so where am I at? Personally, it again, this case just reminds me of Karen Reed, where it's so easy to say, you know what, she probably just jumped or she probably fell, but when you take a deeper dive, you just. It's hard for me to commit to that. I do believe, based upon the credible sightings, the fact that Alistair Douglas was seen with her, that he had a suitcase of women's photos, that her photos disappeared from the ship, that it is very, very likely and very possible that she's still alive and that she was abducted.

[Shane]

I believe it's very possible.

[Emily Simpson]

That's where I'm gonna land with that. And I do hope. My hope is that because all of this is coming to light and now it's just everyone's talking about it and there's a documentary.

[Shane]

They'll be in this kind of.

[Emily Simpson]

That. I hope for the family that there is some conclusion to this saga for them, because the not knowing has to just be. I can't imagine every day waking up and just not knowing what happened to your daughter.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

So anyway, one last update. People are calling for an Amy alert on cruise ships. There is a petition on change.org with over 12,000 signatures that calls for a mandatory Amy Alert system on cruise cruise ships. Similar. Similar to an Amber Alert, ensuring immediate announcements and heightened awareness among. Among all passengers and crew. The petition states that mandating Amy alerts would improve response times for any potential crisis on board, and it could prevent prolonged uncertainties for families and even save lives. So I don't know. As far as policy change, I couldn't really find that there was a lot of policy change based upon the Amy Bradley case. It was more of just, just now there's more security or security cameras on cruise ships, but at the end of the day, you're still on a floating well.

[Shane]

You're only as strong, you're only as strong as your weakest link. And they get all the cameras in the world. If they don't preserve the evidence, they don't do their investigation, if they don't lock down the ship, then none of that's gonna work.

[Emily Simpson]

But I do know that during that time period in the 90s, the crew could fraternize with the passengers. And now I do believe that there are strangers, strict, stricter rules as far as not co mingling with passengers and things like that. So I mean, some things have changed since the disappearance of Amy Bradley, but not a lot. So everyone needs to be make sure you read the back of your ticket when you go on a cruise. I'm actually going to cruise in like a week on Royal Caribbean.

[Shane]

What's the name of the ship?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I'm gonna find out. All right, thanks guys for listening. We appreciate it.

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