Two Ts In A Pod: “Legally Brunette: Case Updates @ Bravocon”

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge (hosted today by Emily Simpson and Shane)
Date: November 14, 2025
Episode Theme:
Emily Simpson and Shane deliver detailed updates on high-profile legal cases previously covered on “Legally Brunette”. They provide commentary, share recent legal developments, and inject their signature humor and skepticism into cases such as Karen Read, the Delphi murders, the Murdaughs, and Susan Lorenz.

Main Theme and Purpose

This episode is an “update special” where Emily and Shane circle back to discuss new developments on major legal cases previously featured on the podcast. They unpack developments in the Karen Read investigation, the Delphi murders, the Murdaugh family saga, and the Susan Lorenz case, sharing their opinions, legal insights, and colorful banter.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Karen Read Case & Michael Proctor Controversy

[02:56–09:29]

• Summary:
  Emily and Shane revisit the Karen Read case, focusing on recent allegations of misconduct by lead investigator Michael Proctor. The conversation covers potential case overturns, misconduct, and the broader legal implications.

• Notable Details:

  • Michael Proctor, previously the lead investigator in the Karen Read case, was fired following discovery of inappropriate text messages.
  • His firing and the ongoing investigation into his conduct could affect as many as 20 cases, possibly more, according to NBC Boston.
  • Prosecutors were ordered to review Proctor's cases due to possible mishandling of evidence, including deleted but recoverable data from his phone.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily: “I think something happened to him inside that house and then there was a cover up. That's, that's what I take away from it. But Karen Reed is not out of the news anymore.” (03:37)
• Shane: “So it's like what I've seen, where a cop is found to be corrupt... then they can see that pattern, now they go back and the people were getting released like left and right.” (09:02)
• Emily (on Proctor’s inappropriate messages): “Remember he was like talking about her. Didn't he make comments about her? She's hot but she doesn't have an ass...” (08:17)

Memorable Moment:

• Shane jokes about what constitutes “intimate body parts” after investigative files mention them:
  Shane: “Google intimate body parts.”
  Emily: “Are we talking about body parts?... Is it genitalia? Is that what he has photos of?” (07:13)

2. Delphi Murders Update

[09:29–20:34]

• Summary:
  The Delphi double murder case is re-examined after a massive document leak and news of upcoming appeals. The discussion centers on alternative suspect theories (including satanic/occult involvement), doubts about the conviction of Richard Allen, and challenges around evidence admissibility.

• Notable Details:

  • 1,200+ pages of exhibits released by the judge and then sealed, suggesting an impending appeal.
  • Defense argues potential involvement of “Odinism” (a type of pagan/satanic cult), noting ritualistic arrangements at the crime scene.
  • Emily expresses skepticism that Richard Allen could have acted alone or is even the correct perpetrator, questioning the reliability of the evidence.
  • The prosecution’s evidence is mainly an old-school ballistic match (not DNA), which Shane and Emily both regard as weak.
  • Defense was previously denied the chance to introduce Odinism evidence at trial.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily: “I've always told you guys, my opinion is that I believe they have the wrong man that has currently been convicted.” (09:46)
• Shane: “That's old school. That's like, oh, this hair follicle matches this hair. I'm saying, as opposed to DNA where it's a black and white.” (10:10)
• Emily (on ritual details): “The crime scene, remember, it was like one of the bodies was found underneath a tree, and there was a marking above it... they were symbols from this [Odinist group].” (15:22)
• Shane (on ritual evidence): “What if that stuff was there before... but now you're telling me they're on top of the body.” (15:45–16:47)

Memorable Moment:

• Shane’s high school story about misinterpreted graffiti and its tragic coincidental context serves as comic relief regarding evidence links. (16:22–16:47)

3. Murdaugh Murders – Housekeeper’s Tell-All

[23:59–27:09]

• Summary:
  Discussion shifts to the Murdaugh family’s ongoing saga, highlighting a housekeeper’s new book containing a scathing open letter to Alec Murdoch.

• Notable Details:

  • Housekeeper Blanca Simpson, who worked for the Murdaughs since 2007, publishes excerpts depicting Alec as falling to greed and corruption.
  • Letter confronts Alec Murdoch about his crimes, asking, “What happened to the man who was always entertaining by cracking jokes?...At what point did you become so unhappy in your life that you decided to kill your wife and son?” (25:00–26:18)
  • Emily and Shane criticize the timing and motives behind the book, suggesting profit is a factor now that the case is famous.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily: “You had it all, and you decimated everything when you decided nobody deserved to be better off than your family.” (Reading the letter, 25:00–26:18)
• Shane (skeptical of housekeeper’s motivations): “If you had a problem with him and you saw him as dangerous ... why are you telling us now after the murder?” (27:09)

4. Susan Lorenz Case – Wrongful Death Update

[27:09–32:14]

• Summary:
  The podcasters discuss the recent legal update where Susan Lorenz, convicted of manslaughter in A.J. Owens’ death, responds (pro se) to the wrongful death civil suit against her.

• Notable Details:

  • Lorenz was convicted of shooting A.J. Owens through her locked front door and sentenced to 25 years.
  • The wrongful death suit also targets her landlord, claiming he should have known about her propensity for violence.
  • Lorenz, apparently self-represented, files a handwritten, accusatory, and defensive letter, seeking to countersue for slander, libel, and defamation.
  • Shane notes the absurdity in using “ding dong ditch” (kids’ pranking) as justification for murder and in Lorenz’s legal logic.
  • The conversation lightly mocks the futility of suing someone with no apparent assets and wonders if renters’ insurance could play a role.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily (reading Lorenz’s letter): “She wants to, quote, countersue for slander, libel and defamation of character for damages that exceed $50,000 against Owen’s mother.” (30:04)
• Shane: “How can that justify murder?...I know I killed her, but these kids were ringing my doorbell.” (29:49–29:57)
• Emily: “What are you gonna... She’s in prison for 25 years and the woman doesn’t have any assets.” (31:48)

Memorable Moments & Banter

• Emily’s Obsession with Case Details:
  “Karen Reed is not out of the news anymore. There’s been some new things going on with Michael Proctor.” (03:37)

• Shane’s Running Jokes:
  On “intimate body parts,” and referencing Emily’s confusion:
  “This explains a lot, Emily. You not knowing what an intimate part is.” (07:38)

• Comic Relief Amid True Crime:
  Shane’s Terminator graffiti anecdote intertwines humor and skepticism around crime scene evidence. (16:22–16:47)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Karen Read & Proctor Case: [02:56–09:29]
• Delphi Murders Update: [09:29–20:34]
• Murdaugh Murders / Housekeeper’s Letter: [23:59–27:09]
• Susan Lorenz Case Update: [27:09–32:14]

Tone & Style

Emily and Shane’s discussion is lively, informal, and laced with dark humor. They combine legal analysis with candid skepticism, keeping the tone accessible even as they explore dense legal developments. Their commentary frequently drifts into speculation, meta-satire about crime media, and irreverent takes on all involved.

Summary Takeaways

• Karen Read / Michael Proctor: A major police misconduct scandal could overturn numerous convictions, and Emily suspects a cover-up in the original case.
• Delphi Murders: Massive evidence leaks fuel debate around the involvement of fringe cults and doubts about Richard Allen’s guilt.
• Murdaughs: Family employees are now capitalizing on their inside knowledge, raising questions about truth, loyalty, and profit motives in true crime.
• Susan Lorenz: The convicted shooter’s pro se legal filings add bizarre twists, while questions linger about system failures and landlord liability.

This episode combines true crime obsession, legal scrutiny, and irreverent humor—a must-listen for followers of high-profile legal drama and “Legally Brunette” regulars.