Legally Brunette: Case Updates @ Bravocon

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: “Legally Brunette: Case Updates @ Bravocon”

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge (hosted today by Emily Simpson and Shane)
Date: November 14, 2025
Episode Theme:
Emily Simpson and Shane deliver detailed updates on high-profile legal cases previously covered on “Legally Brunette”. They provide commentary, share recent legal developments, and inject their signature humor and skepticism into cases such as Karen Read, the Delphi murders, the Murdaughs, and Susan Lorenz.

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Main Theme and Purpose

This episode is an “update special” where Emily and Shane circle back to discuss new developments on major legal cases previously featured on the podcast. They unpack developments in the Karen Read investigation, the Delphi murders, the Murdaugh family saga, and the Susan Lorenz case, sharing their opinions, legal insights, and colorful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Karen Read Case & Michael Proctor Controversy

[02:56–09:29]

• Summary:
  Emily and Shane revisit the Karen Read case, focusing on recent allegations of misconduct by lead investigator Michael Proctor. The conversation covers potential case overturns, misconduct, and the broader legal implications.

• Notable Details:

  • Michael Proctor, previously the lead investigator in the Karen Read case, was fired following discovery of inappropriate text messages.
  • His firing and the ongoing investigation into his conduct could affect as many as 20 cases, possibly more, according to NBC Boston.
  • Prosecutors were ordered to review Proctor's cases due to possible mishandling of evidence, including deleted but recoverable data from his phone.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily: “I think something happened to him inside that house and then there was a cover up. That's, that's what I take away from it. But Karen Reed is not out of the news anymore.” (03:37)
• Shane: “So it's like what I've seen, where a cop is found to be corrupt... then they can see that pattern, now they go back and the people were getting released like left and right.” (09:02)
• Emily (on Proctor’s inappropriate messages): “Remember he was like talking about her. Didn't he make comments about her? She's hot but she doesn't have an ass...” (08:17)

Memorable Moment:

• Shane jokes about what constitutes “intimate body parts” after investigative files mention them:
  Shane: “Google intimate body parts.”
  Emily: “Are we talking about body parts?... Is it genitalia? Is that what he has photos of?” (07:13)

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2. Delphi Murders Update

[09:29–20:34]

• Summary:
  The Delphi double murder case is re-examined after a massive document leak and news of upcoming appeals. The discussion centers on alternative suspect theories (including satanic/occult involvement), doubts about the conviction of Richard Allen, and challenges around evidence admissibility.

• Notable Details:

  • 1,200+ pages of exhibits released by the judge and then sealed, suggesting an impending appeal.
  • Defense argues potential involvement of “Odinism” (a type of pagan/satanic cult), noting ritualistic arrangements at the crime scene.
  • Emily expresses skepticism that Richard Allen could have acted alone or is even the correct perpetrator, questioning the reliability of the evidence.
  • The prosecution’s evidence is mainly an old-school ballistic match (not DNA), which Shane and Emily both regard as weak.
  • Defense was previously denied the chance to introduce Odinism evidence at trial.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily: “I've always told you guys, my opinion is that I believe they have the wrong man that has currently been convicted.” (09:46)
• Shane: “That's old school. That's like, oh, this hair follicle matches this hair. I'm saying, as opposed to DNA where it's a black and white.” (10:10)
• Emily (on ritual details): “The crime scene, remember, it was like one of the bodies was found underneath a tree, and there was a marking above it... they were symbols from this [Odinist group].” (15:22)
• Shane (on ritual evidence): “What if that stuff was there before... but now you're telling me they're on top of the body.” (15:45–16:47)

Memorable Moment:

• Shane’s high school story about misinterpreted graffiti and its tragic coincidental context serves as comic relief regarding evidence links. (16:22–16:47)

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3. Murdaugh Murders – Housekeeper’s Tell-All

[23:59–27:09]

• Summary:
  Discussion shifts to the Murdaugh family’s ongoing saga, highlighting a housekeeper’s new book containing a scathing open letter to Alec Murdoch.

• Notable Details:

  • Housekeeper Blanca Simpson, who worked for the Murdaughs since 2007, publishes excerpts depicting Alec as falling to greed and corruption.
  • Letter confronts Alec Murdoch about his crimes, asking, “What happened to the man who was always entertaining by cracking jokes?...At what point did you become so unhappy in your life that you decided to kill your wife and son?” (25:00–26:18)
  • Emily and Shane criticize the timing and motives behind the book, suggesting profit is a factor now that the case is famous.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily: “You had it all, and you decimated everything when you decided nobody deserved to be better off than your family.” (Reading the letter, 25:00–26:18)
• Shane (skeptical of housekeeper’s motivations): “If you had a problem with him and you saw him as dangerous ... why are you telling us now after the murder?” (27:09)

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4. Susan Lorenz Case – Wrongful Death Update

[27:09–32:14]

• Summary:
  The podcasters discuss the recent legal update where Susan Lorenz, convicted of manslaughter in A.J. Owens’ death, responds (pro se) to the wrongful death civil suit against her.

• Notable Details:

  • Lorenz was convicted of shooting A.J. Owens through her locked front door and sentenced to 25 years.
  • The wrongful death suit also targets her landlord, claiming he should have known about her propensity for violence.
  • Lorenz, apparently self-represented, files a handwritten, accusatory, and defensive letter, seeking to countersue for slander, libel, and defamation.
  • Shane notes the absurdity in using “ding dong ditch” (kids’ pranking) as justification for murder and in Lorenz’s legal logic.
  • The conversation lightly mocks the futility of suing someone with no apparent assets and wonders if renters’ insurance could play a role.

Notable Quotes:

• Emily (reading Lorenz’s letter): “She wants to, quote, countersue for slander, libel and defamation of character for damages that exceed $50,000 against Owen’s mother.” (30:04)
• Shane: “How can that justify murder?...I know I killed her, but these kids were ringing my doorbell.” (29:49–29:57)
• Emily: “What are you gonna... She’s in prison for 25 years and the woman doesn’t have any assets.” (31:48)

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Memorable Moments & Banter

• Emily’s Obsession with Case Details:
  “Karen Reed is not out of the news anymore. There’s been some new things going on with Michael Proctor.” (03:37)

• Shane’s Running Jokes:
  On “intimate body parts,” and referencing Emily’s confusion:
  “This explains a lot, Emily. You not knowing what an intimate part is.” (07:38)

• Comic Relief Amid True Crime:
  Shane’s Terminator graffiti anecdote intertwines humor and skepticism around crime scene evidence. (16:22–16:47)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Karen Read & Proctor Case: [02:56–09:29]
• Delphi Murders Update: [09:29–20:34]
• Murdaugh Murders / Housekeeper’s Letter: [23:59–27:09]
• Susan Lorenz Case Update: [27:09–32:14]

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Tone & Style

Emily and Shane’s discussion is lively, informal, and laced with dark humor. They combine legal analysis with candid skepticism, keeping the tone accessible even as they explore dense legal developments. Their commentary frequently drifts into speculation, meta-satire about crime media, and irreverent takes on all involved.

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Summary Takeaways

• Karen Read / Michael Proctor: A major police misconduct scandal could overturn numerous convictions, and Emily suspects a cover-up in the original case.
• Delphi Murders: Massive evidence leaks fuel debate around the involvement of fringe cults and doubts about Richard Allen’s guilt.
• Murdaughs: Family employees are now capitalizing on their inside knowledge, raising questions about truth, loyalty, and profit motives in true crime.
• Susan Lorenz: The convicted shooter’s pro se legal filings add bizarre twists, while questions linger about system failures and landlord liability.

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This episode combines true crime obsession, legal scrutiny, and irreverent humor—a must-listen for followers of high-profile legal drama and “Legally Brunette” regulars.

Transcript

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[Emily Simpson]

Hi Guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I will be your host, Emily Simpson. And. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to say. And Shane. And Shane.

[Shane]

Did you forget I was in the room?

[Emily Simpson]

I forgot you were here. Okay, so we're gonna do some updates on some cases that we have spoken about previously. And one of my favorite cases ever is the Karen Reed case, which we did. We did a couple episodes on Karen.

[Shane]

Reed because we did one big episode and then we talked about it in other times.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. But it, I love talking about Karen Reed because there's just so much to talk about.

[Shane]

It's an unsolved mystery.

[Emily Simpson]

It's an unsolved mystery. I don't think we'll ever know actually what happened that night.

[Shane]

Well, who do you think did it?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I, I, I think that possibly something happened inside that house with the dog and the police officers.

[Shane]

Oh, okay. So you think it was not Karen.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And you think it was the police officers?

[Emily Simpson]

I think something happened to him inside that house and then there was a cover up. That's, that's what I take away from it. But Karen Reed is not out of the news anymore. There's been some new things going on with Michael Proctor. And if you will remember, Michael Proctor is the lead investigator.

[Shane]

Yeah. During the case that a conflict of interest or something.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. He was the one that text messages that were inappropriate. And so he was actually fired. And then he appealed his firing. But then now some new evidence or some new things have come up. So more cases involving Michael Proctor are under review. This was an NBC Boston article. Recent court documents show the Norfolk County District Attorney's office has examined nearly 20 cases involving former Massachusetts citizens. State police trooper Michael Proctor. I'm not surprised that the number is high. Before we're done, it might even go higher, said NBC10 Boston legal analyst Michael Coyne. See, now that's the problem, because now what happens is these defense attorneys that defended their clients and now all this evidence is coming forward that was inappropriate that has to do with these cases. Does that give them. Depending on what they're finding, like a.

[Shane]

Mistrial or a reason to appeal.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Well, yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one, because were those defendants found guilty of their crimes? Were they found not guilty? The not guilty ones aren't gonna, like.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they're not gonna say a word. They're gonna be really quiet.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Prosecutors were ordered to review a federal investigation of the Reed case and turn over any evidence beneficial to other defendants whose cases involved the former state trooper. The Cases were identified as part of a document involving Brian Walsh, who was charged with killing and dismembering his wife, Anna Walsh. Proctor investigated that case as well. Anytime that you can use some of these mistakes that he's made to help put doubt in the minds of a juror, that is precisely what they're supposed to do. This is what the legal analyst said. So it's unclear what, if any, information was given to the defendants, with a lot of the details coming from Proctor's cell phone. Here's what I don't understand about Proctor. So, first of all, they got the inappropriate text directly from his phone. Right. They did, like, a forensic analysis, but he had deleted a lot of things. So now this deeper dive with all this new evidence forward is because they've. I don't know, like, I'm not a cell phone expert, clearly.

[Shane]

No, you're just a legal podcast.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, I'm just a lowly legal podcast person. But wouldn't someone that was a police officer, detective, investigator understand that he was. If he's deleting things off his phone, that they can still find it in the cloud?

[Shane]

Yeah, but my. Yes. My guess would be they delete it. So on its face value, it's not there. So if someone were to look at their phone or something, I don't think they deleted it, thinking it's gone forever and ever. But why didn't just think about it that far. It's sort of like wiping up blood. You wipe it up? Yeah. Can you put the luminol or whatever and find it?

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[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Yeah, I know. I like that word, luminol.

[Shane]

That turn you on?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, I like luminol.

[Shane]

So then. But. But people maybe clean it just on the surface level so someone will walk through, they don't see it. Maybe if someone were to look at his phone, they wouldn't see.

[Emily Simpson]

So you're saying he hands over his phone, they find things, they think it clearly. Okay, well, there we go.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

Proctor had been fighting to get his job back until last month, when Norfolk county prosecutors admitted in a court filing that his personal cell phone data contained images of intimate body parts. I would like more details on that, please.

[Shane]

You want the intimate body part?

[Emily Simpson]

I want to. I would like to see the images. I want to know what we're talking about. About intimate body parts.

[Shane]

Google intimate body parts.

[Emily Simpson]

Are we talking about body parts? Are we talking about.

[Shane]

You will get the images you see.

[Emily Simpson]

Is it genitalia? Is that what he has photos of?

[Shane]

Probably. What else is intimate?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I Didn't know if it meant like a close up of an ear. Is that an intimate body part?

[Shane]

No, now you're being silly.

[Emily Simpson]

No, no, I meant if intimate. I know, I'm seriously, it. Does intimate mean like it was like a close up of body parts or does intimate mean. Okay, you're just staring at me.

[Shane]

This explains a lot, Emily. You not knowing what an intimate part is. Keep going.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. The union that represents state police troopers declined to continue paying for his lawyer and Proctor withdrew his request to be reinst to the department. All right, so that's our update on Karen Reed. We'll continue to follow that because I think there's so many more things that are going to come out about Michael Proctor.

[Shane]

And do you think Michael Proctor had to do with it or you think he was just fumbling the, like the prosecution and investigation of it?

[Emily Simpson]

No, I think he's just inappropriate and I think that he was sharing images probably with friends and stuff from all these cases he's investigating.

[Shane]

Okay, so after the crime was committed.

[Emily Simpson]

Or during, I don't know, while he's investigating. Because while he was investigating Karen Reed, he was sending photos of her and text talking. Remember he was like talking about her. Didn't he make comments about her? She's hot but she doesn't have an ass and like things like that.

[Shane]

Oh, that was him that said that.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, yes, that was him. So I'm saying we already know that he sends a highly inappropriate text messages.

[Shane]

Unprofessional to say the least.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

But it wasn't just in Karen Reed. It's now goes back to at least 20 cases that he investigated. So now this is opening a whole can of worms on all these cases. You think these defense attorneys in those cases are chomping at the bit, wanting to get a hold of.

[Shane]

Yeah, it's like what I've seen. I've seen situations where a cop is found to be corrupt, planning a drug in a car and then arresting that person.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And then they go back and there's dozens that they have to release because then they go look in the same. Because now he has an M.O. right? It was like body cam footage, the way he snare snuck it in and claimed it was in the car. And then they, they can see that pattern now they go back and the people were getting released like left and right.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So I'm saying this is the tip of the iceberg because now of all these cases, they're going to want, they're going to want to know what it was that he Was saying, what's he sending? Who's he sending it to? What are the photos?

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

So anyway. All right, let's move on to the Delphi murders. If you remember, we also did a podcast on the Delphi case, which was the murder of the two young girls in Delphi, Indiana. I've always told you guys, my opinion is that I believe they have the wrong man that has currently been convicted.

[Shane]

You felt that the interrogation showed that he was a pretty genuine, decent person. That had nothing to do with the kids.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, that was my gut feeling, and that was my takeaway when I watched the interrogations. And then also I felt that that one little piece of evidence. Remember they found that gunshot. It wasn't a shell. It was the actual spent round. Yeah, right. But it had striations that, like, matched some in his house. But that was it. Sort of.

[Shane]

That's old school. That's like, oh, this hair follicle matches this hair. I'm saying, as opposed to a DNA where it's a black and white.

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly. There was no DNA that was matched to him.

[Shane]

Was this a C technician that happened to be taking a walk on a bridge?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. He's the guy that reached out and said, hey, I was there that day. And then. Right. His name's Richard Allen. You know.

[Shane]

Well, you know it. You know, his wife's a little bit at fault, his.

[Emily Simpson]

Because she made him call. Yes. Well, I'm sure she feels extremely guilty.

[Shane]

In this crime investigation.

[Emily Simpson]

She's like, you were there, honey. You should call and tell him.

[Shane]

Yeah, exactly.

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[Emily Simpson]

So a judge released more than 1200 pages of exhibits from Delhi murderer Richard Allen's case on Monday. Monday then sealed the exhibits, which signals that Allen's appeal is about a month from being filed. Several news outlets published the exhibits, which have since been blocked from public inspection. The Journal and Courier downloaded the file from Fort Wayne's Wayne 5 website on Tuesday and verified the filing of 1,201 pages of exhibits on Wednesday through sealed court documents that detailed the number of pages. The specific content, however, was no longer accessible to the public. Among the exhibits are an affidavit from Todd Klick, a former Rushville assistant police chief who investigated the possible involvement in the killings of Odinis in the eastern part of Indiana. And do you remember we talked about this. This was one of the things I actually pulled up that document. Not this. This is on appeal, but there's another document that his defense attorney filed before he went to trial that he wanted to get an evidence that there was third party possible guilt with this. This Satanic. Satanic cult. Because of the. The very.

[Shane]

You called it. You called it something. There's a terminology for it where, like, they lay the sticks down or they.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I just said satanic ritual.

[Shane]

Okay. Yeah, that's.

[Emily Simpson]

That's right. But it was the crime scene, remember, it was like one of the bodies was found underneath a tree, and there was a marking above it, and it had six laid in a certain way on top. And then the other girl, they were found naked. The other girl had branches laid on top of her, and they were symbols from this. And then, remember, the guards that were guarding him were Odinous, and they had odin as patches on them. I mean, it was just.

[Shane]

What if that stuff was there before, now that I think about it?

[Emily Simpson]

What, the brand, the branches? Yeah, they were laying on top of the bodies.

[Shane]

Oh, never mind then. Yeah, I missed the memo on that one. Well, the reason I say that is because in high school, my friend is not a murderer. My friend, he would be at church early. There was an early class, right. And he would get dropped off early because his mom dropped him off early. And he sat there and waited till we all got there. And he carved in the concrete no fate. But that was because he was a Terminator fan and that Terminator 2 came out, and so he carved in no fate. He thought he was, like, tough and stuff.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Well, that month, soon after, someone committed suicide on the sidewalk nearby, where it said no fate by coincidence. Not a member of the church, not affiliate, just unfortunately, someone that was committed to suicide did it right there. And everyone thought that he carved in no fate and then killed himself.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, so.

[Shane]

So I didn't know if the sticks were there, but now you're telling me they're on top of the body. So my point is moot.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, exactly. So thank you for that anecdote.

[Shane]

It's still a good story, though.

[Emily Simpson]

The exhibits also included transcripts of Indiana State Police interviews with Kathy Allen, who is Richard's wife. After Allen's arrest on October 26th of 2022, he was ordered to be housed in the Westville Correctional Facility where at least two GU patches on their uniforms that tied them to Odinism. According to these exhibits, Max Baker, who worked for Allen's defense team, filed an affidavit stating that he witnessed the Odinous patches on prison guards uniforms, as well as one patch that read, I hate people. I mean, I feel like I could wear a patch that says that too. I don't have to be an Odinist.

[Shane]

You don't have to wear a badge. People know it.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, that's true. I don't need a patch. My face says it all.

[Shane]

Your voice says it all.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. Baker also reviewed video images recorded by prison guards that showed Allen, who was in Westville Prison for safekeeping, had been badly beaten and had two black eyes. The exhibits filed on Monday include documents detailing theories of Odinis and Delphi and Logan Sport suggesting that they might be involved along with the Odinus on the east side of the state. It included questions and depositions about police investigation of and dismissal of the theory that the branches and limbs as well as the positioning of the bodies and the F that was painted on a tree with Libby's blood all tied back to Odinism. Now, if you remember when we talked about this earlier, he had tried, the defense attorney tried previously back in September of 2023 to present that lengthy memorandum about how they were killed in that. And it might have been tied to human sacrifices which then would not have.

[Shane]

Connected the CBS technician.

[Emily Simpson]

Right, right.

[Shane]

Because he wasn't involved in that stuff. Or he could argue that, you know, he had. He has no signs of that anywhere in his life.

[Emily Simpson]

But the judge denied and would not allow any of that evidence.

[Shane]

Probably because the judge is part of.

[Emily Simpson]

The satanic group that, I mean, could be. Allegedly.

[Shane]

Judges could be part of it.

[Emily Simpson]

Allegedly. Yeah. Okay.

[Shane]

But no, no, they could be.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, anyone could be.

[Shane]

That doesn't need to be. That's why you don't need to say alleged.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, back to Richard Allen. So this is another way to try to get that information.

[Shane]

And this is a general question. What's another explanation for. For those sticks someone came up after. Like if it wasn't the. If the cvs. Well, I don't know. How could those sticks be there?

[Commercial Announcer]

Other.

[Shane]

Other than the murder putting it there?

[Emily Simpson]

It had it. That's the only way. Other than what? Some girl scouts came along later and.

[Shane]

Or boy scouts.

[Emily Simpson]

Or boy scouts and put them on the bodies.

[Shane]

So that means if they're able to introduce this evidence and then they're able to point out to the defendant that he is not affiliated in any way. There's no signs, there's no history, there's no social media. There's nothing that ties this guy to these sticks or any sticks, then he should. There should be some doubt. Right?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, that's why if the judge allows this to come in on appeal, it raises a reasonable doubt.

[Shane]

Right?

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly right.

[Shane]

I was just saying it.

[Emily Simpson]

And you know, also I was reading with this case and this is another reason I said this before, before I even read this. I never felt like this is something that one man could have done. Because you're talking about two girls that both of them had their clothes removed.

[Shane]

He went across the water.

[Emily Simpson]

He had to re. He redressed them. He had to.

[Shane]

Yeah, but I disagree. I'm not saying who did it, but one person could do it. I don't know if you could exercise control over two young girls and put fear in them and get them to comply.

[Emily Simpson]

I just don't see how he could have done it in the timeframe. And with it being a public. I don't know.

[Shane]

I see your point. I'm just saying it can happen.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, it could happen. I just don't see it happening. And they did. The police investigating it did think it was originally when they were first investigating, they felt that it was a two man or more.

[Shane]

Okay, it could have been two.

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[Emily Simpson]

Let's move on to the Murdaugh murders. This was another one of my favorite podcasts because I this family was, well, Alec. Alec Murdoch was just so corrupt that allegedly. Allegedly.

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Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

No, he was convicted. Yeah, he was inside.

[Shane]

Annie is corrupt.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, so this is interesting. So there is a scathing letter that Alex Murdoch's and I People told me it's Alec even though there's an X it's Alec and it's Murdoch even though. Well, that's how they pronounce it in the sound.

[Shane]

Trying to give him some respect here?

[Emily Simpson]

No, I'm trying to Pronounce his name correctly because that's. That's what I heard.

[Shane]

He put the murdered and murder, didn't he?

[Emily Simpson]

He puts the murder and murder. Yes, that. So a housekeeper came forward and wrote, this was in people. So Blanca turbiate Simpson. Oh, my gosh. Her last name. Simpson. Shane. Wait, is she your cousin?

[Shane]

No, I don't have any kills. Is she. This isn't the housekeeper that he killed?

[Emily Simpson]

No, this is another housekeeper.

[Shane]

Did he kill her?

[Emily Simpson]

Not. Not yet. So Blanca was a u. S. Navy veteran and former corrections officer who started working as one of the family's housekeepers in 2007. And she wrote a new tell all called within the house of murdoch amid a unique friendship. Blanca and maggie. That is a long title and an exclusive excerpt from the book Simpson writes. Alex, have you adapted to your new life? Is your bed made to your satisfaction? Are the sheets soft against your sensitive skin? Do they make your bed with freshly pressed sheets and are tight enough to bounce a quarter off? In another part of the letter, she writes, I often ask myself, at what point did greed, ambition, and lack of empathy overpower you? You had love, family, friendship, respect and privilege. You had it all, and you decimated everything when you decided nobody deserved to be better off than your family. Saying that she feels betrayed by alec, Simpson writes, what happened to you? What happened to the man who was always entertaining by cracking jokes? What happened to the man who nurtured and cared for his family? At what point did you become so unhapp in your life that you decided to kill your wife and son? She also opens up a host of unanswered questions when she writes about seeing an unnamed woman at the family's estate known as moselle after the funerals.

[Shane]

I thought she was unnamed.

[Emily Simpson]

She. Her name's blanca. She's writing about. She's writing about after the funeral. She saw some woman. She's saying he's having an affair.

[Shane]

Okay, I know. Is this. You said unnamed woman.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she didn't know. She doesn't know her name.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

She just saw a random woman.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

She's basically coming forward after she worked for them in 2007. Now she can profit from a book. So she's coming forward and she's writing a book. A tell all about all the things.

[Shane]

That she saw unknown.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

Yeah. Because she does have a name.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she doesn't know her name.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's correct.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. She finishes the letter by writing in part. I may never find the answers that bring me full closure, but for now, I am releasing the Emotional burden of your betrayal and focusing on my own healing. Praying for you, Blanca. So I guess she's writing a tell all book, and then she includes a letter to Alec Murdoch in the book.

[Shane]

That's where I. I have a. I mean, just for conversation purposes. I have a problem with that. Because it's like if you have. If you had a problem with him and you saw him as dangerous, assuming that's the case, then why are you telling us now after the murder? So we're done.

[Emily Simpson]

Because she worked for them and she made money. She kept her mouth shut. And now that it's. Now you can make money from a book. All right, all right, let's move on to Susan Lorenz. If you remember the name Susan Lorenz.

[Shane]

She'S the perfect neighbor.

[Emily Simpson]

She is the perfect neighbor job.

[Shane]

I hate that lady.

[Emily Simpson]

You hate that lady. Everybody hates that lady. I don't know who. Well, I felt like the catfish mom was probably the most hated woman in the world at that point in time. But then Susan Lawrence came along and.

[Shane]

Now took the title.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, she did. So here we are with Susan Lorenz again. A jury found Susan Lorenz guilty of manslaughter after she shot A.J. owens through her locked front door, killing her. This is back in June of 2023. Lorenz was sentenced to 25 years in prison and has maintained that she was the victim of harassment from Owens and Owens children.

[Shane]

Of course.

[Emily Simpson]

Owen's mother, Pamela Diaz, filed a wrongful death suit against both Lorenz and the owner of the Quadplaque. Quadplex. Sorry, the owner of the Quad Flex. Would you call it a quadplex? It's not a quidplex. It's a quadplex.

[Shane]

Sounds like a disease he's suffering from. Quidplex.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's.

[Emily Simpson]

It's a quadplex where she lived. The suit says that Charles Gabbard, who was the one who owned the property, should have known that Lorenz had a propensity for gross negligence and. Or intentional harm. I think it's. You know, we. We talked about that.

[Shane]

Yeah. It's a little bit of a stretch, but I totally think there's something there.

[Emily Simpson]

There might be. There might be that he was on notice.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Of the problems than that she was maybe a little mentally.

[Shane]

No, that's not your property. That's common area. Yeah. Or did he tell her put a no trespassing sign on there, therefore he's supporting her and kicking the kids out. You know, stuff like that.

[Emily Simpson]

So I know the headlines with this update a lot. It says like, Susan Lorenz writes letter, you know and, but what people don't understand is she's writing the letter because she's writing the letter as a response to the wrongful death suit. So this is her actual, I don't.

[Shane]

Think she's opposed to writing a nasty letter.

[Emily Simpson]

And yeah, she's not just writing a letter. She's actually, actually this is her response to the wrongful death, sir. And I, from my takeaway, I don't think she's represented by counsel. It seems like, well she's an attorney because she's a doctor. Right. So now she's representing herself, it seems like so. In a handwritten letter filed with the court, Lorenz responds to allegations in the lawsuit and reiterates her accusations that Owens and her children were the aggressors. Lorenz claims that Owen's children would come over to my apartment and do ding dong ditch.

[Shane]

You know how, how can that justify murder?

[Emily Simpson]

Obviously it never just. But it's like mur.

[Shane]

It's like I know I killed her, but these kids were ringing my doorbell.

[Emily Simpson]

They were loud.

[Shane]

I know they were playing football, playing Frisbee. I mean Lauren says in the letter pisses me off.

[Emily Simpson]

She pisses everyone off. Lauren says in the letter that she wants to quote, countersue for slander, libel and defamation of character for damages that exceed $50,000 against Owen's mother.

[Shane]

The body cams didn't defame her character.

[Emily Simpson]

Kids actions, so she wants to counter sue against Owen's mother, the minor children and the property owner. Lorenzo's letter says that the property owner failed to secure the property correctly and allowed the victim and her children to harass her. Lorenz closes the letter by writing quote, completion of fact, an expert discovery to follow.

[Shane]

So you know what my advice to the landlord is, Do a better background check when you get some tenants.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know though what would show up. She probably had no prior.

[Shane]

Like yeah, you know what you call the prior landlord where she lived and say was she a problem? They'd be like hell yeah, she was a problem.

[Emily Simpson]

Background check. Don't just like pull up a, like a, a criminal background check. You're saying call and act.

[Shane]

Yeah, yeah. Personality is like, absolutely, yeah. And then if you're like, oh this lady like doesn't have a job, she doesn't do anything and she has a shotgun. I mean that's a reason to.

[Emily Simpson]

Well she didn't have a shotgun, she had a handg.

[Shane]

Again, well it's no better.

[Emily Simpson]

Court records do not list any attorney for Lawrence in the civil case. No hearing dates have been set. But that was what she was writing was her response to the wrongful death. Yeah.

[Shane]

Because I did see the headline and it made it seem like it did. Like she just outright wrote a letter.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And had the gall to like send this out to the families and stuff like that.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Which, I mean, what she wrote is ridiculous. But she did do it in. In response to the wrongful death suit suit that's they've filed. Right.

[Shane]

She should respond.

[Emily Simpson]

But here's my question, though. I mean, filing a wrongful death suit against her. What. What are you gonna. She's in prison for 25 years and the woman doesn't have any assets.

[Shane]

I don't know. Maybe she has a renters insurance.

[Emily Simpson]

Does renters insurance cover.

[Shane]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

We'll have to look that up.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, all right. Thanks guys for listening to our update episode. As always, we appreciate it and you can find us on our own feed, so make sure you follow us there and make sure you leave a review. So thanks so much for listening.

[Shane]

Thank you.

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