Legally Brunette: The Murdaugh Murders

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: Legally Brunette – The Murdaugh Murders

Hosts: Emily Simpson & Shane
Release Date: October 21, 2025
Episode Theme:
A deep-dive into the infamous Murdaugh family murders and scandals, including historical context, key victims, the unraveling of a legal dynasty, and the latest developments as of 2025. Emily and Shane break down the sequence of deaths surrounding the family—boating accident, housekeeper fall, double homicide—and discuss media portrayals, legal nuances, and their own theories.

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Episode Overview

Emily and Shane recount the Murdaugh saga—from the powerful legal family’s century-long grip on South Carolina’s Lowcountry, to allegations of murder, corruption, and fraud that have shocked the nation. They cover the timeline leading up to and following the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh, discuss related deaths (including the boating accident, the housekeeper Gloria Satterfield, and Stephen Smith), and dissect the drama’s impact on media, law enforcement, and justice.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening & Case Updates (02:10–09:00)

• Ellen Greenberg Case Update

  • Philadelphia Medical Examiner reaffirms 2011 ruling of suicide after extensive back-and-forth between homicide/suicide amid family doubts.

    “It is officially ruled a suicide and I think at this point that’s probably a final determination.” —Emily (04:08)

  • Familial and legal skepticism persists due to bruising, missing evidence, and context of a ‘toxic relationship’.

    “The medical examiner builds a flimsy case on distorted portrayals of Ellen’s mental health.” —Emily (04:54)

• Amy Bradley Missing Persons Update

  • The Netflix doc’s popularity brought new leads:
    • New eyewitness claims of “senorita kidnapped” by a cruise ship bar server.
    • Geolocated suspicious activity from Amy’s missing person website traced to a boat near Barbados.
    • New but vague evidence suggesting Bradley may have a child, implying survival and possible trafficking.
  • Emily and Shane debate the credibility and limitations of these leads.

2. Introduction to Murdaugh Murders (10:57–13:35)

• Analysis of documentaries: Hulu’s The Murdaugh Murders: A Deadly Dynasty and Netflix’s A Southern Scandal.
• Sharp criticism of dramatizations that stray from factual events.

  “I don’t mind that level of creativity, as long as you’re sticking to the facts.” —Emily (11:54)

3. The Murdaugh Legacy (13:35–15:27)

• Family founded legal dominance in 1910—three generations as prosecutor (solicitor) spanning 86 years.
• Deep systemic influence over local law enforcement and judiciary.

4. Catalyst: 2019 Boating Accident (15:27–26:13)

• Paul Murdaugh, age 19, driving underage and intoxicated; friends plead with him not to drive.

“You know that when you’re drinking, if your friends give you an entire different name — because you become a totally different person” —Emily (17:15)

• Crash kills friend Mallory Beach; survivors injured.
• Murdaughs immediately intervene at the hospital, attempting to control the narrative and deflect blame onto another boy, Connor.
• Law enforcement allegedly fails to properly test Paul or report him as driver.

“Already the dad’s there, trying to change the narrative and trying to blame it on the other kid, Connor.” —Emily (22:41)

• Paul indicted on three felony counts, remains largely unsanctioned despite terms of release.
• Lawsuits follow, pressuring the family—especially Alex.

5. Murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh (2021) (26:44–40:15)

• Morning of June 7, 2021: Alex confronted about $792k in missing firm funds.
• Evening: Alex calls 911, claiming to find wife Maggie and son Paul murdered at the family hunting estate “Moselle.”
• Timeline places Alex there—his voice on Paul’s 8:44pm Snapchat seconds before estimated killings (around 8:50-8:55pm).

  “The most damning piece of evidence against him… you can hear Alex Murdaugh, the dad in the background of the video talking.” —Emily (31:05)

• Paul: killed at close range with shotgun; Maggie: shot five times while attempting to flee with a rifle.
• Emily shares chilling details sent to her from a fan who visited the crime scene:

  “There’s still brain matter… like in the feeding room.” —Emily (32:25)

6. Financial Crimes & Schemes (27:21, 42:43–48:49)

• Decades-long fraud: Alex creates a fake “Forge” settlement account, siphoning client funds.
• Steals millions through insurance and personal injury cases.
• Discuss similarities to pyramid schemes and constant client deception.

7. The Death of Housekeeper Gloria Satterfield (2018) (41:32–48:49)

• Satterfield dies after ‘falling’ at Moselle; Alex takes out policy one month prior.

“First of all, he took out an umbrella policy on the hunting lodge on that property one month before her [fall].” —Emily (45:40)

• Alex engineers a wrongful death lawsuit (with himself as attorney), collects $4M+ from insurers, gives nothing to Gloria’s family.

“He represents them against himself… and then continues to tell the brother, the sons, that they haven’t received settlement payment.” —Emily (48:01)

• Shane calls it murder; Emily: “It hasn’t been classified as a murder”, but details are highly suspicious.

8. Trial, Conviction, and Tampering Allegations (49:17–52:14)

• January 2023: Alex Murdaugh tried; March 2023: found guilty by jury in under three hours—sentenced to life in prison.
• May 2025: Clerk of Court Becky Hill arrested for misconduct and alleged jury tampering; appeals currently pending before the South Carolina Supreme Court.

9. Death of Stephen Smith (2015) (54:26–61:18)

• Initially ruled a hit-and-run (despite suspicious injuries and circumstances).
• Buster Murdaugh, Paul’s brother, subject of rumors—never charged.
• Reinvestigation after Maggie and Paul’s murders; body exhumed in 2023.
• Recent person-of-interest identified—alleged confession, but no formal charges.

10. Murdaugh Family’s Final Collapse & Aftermath (66:05–70:12)

• Murdaugh’s surviving son, Buster, becomes isolated, stands by his father.

  “Buster has stood by his father, maintaining his innocence… I do not think that he could be affiliated with endangering my mother and brother.” —Emily quoting Buster (67:38)

• Buster now involved in lawsuits against media for defamation regarding Stephen Smith case.
• Emily and Shane consider legal and psychological reasons for Buster’s belief in Alex’s innocence.

11. Other Notorious Schemes & Attempted Suicide (62:27–66:05)

• Alex stages a roadside shooting with accomplice “Cousin Eddie” to secure a $10M life insurance payout for Buster—botched, only superficial wound.
• Further indictments for insurance fraud and murder.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the aftermath and motive:

  “Paul was a loose cannon… he was a drunk… they probably can’t keep under control. And also… the older son was in law school at the time… doing what was probably expected and hoped of the parents. Paul was a menace.” —Shane (37:03)

• On Alex’s financial crimes:

  “He uses it for evil instead of good… he’s too much on the inside.” —Emily (27:57)

• On the Hulu dramatization:

  “That really bothered me… you’re inserting someone who died in 2018 into scenes that took place in 2019… that’s just too left field.” —Emily (43:40)

• On the scope of deaths/cover-ups:

  “Sum up, we have the housekeeper, 2008, fell down the stairs… boating murder in 2019, and he does everything he can to help cover it up, including killing his son and wife.” —Shane (61:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:10–04:27: Ellen Greenberg case update, breaking news, and family’s pushback on ruling
• 05:31–08:44: Amy Bradley case—key leads and developments
• 10:57: Transition into Murdaugh case, reflections on documentaries/dramatizations
• 13:35–15:27: The Murdaugh dynasty intro
• 15:27–26:13: Recap of the 2019 boating accident and aftermath
• 26:44–40:15: Details and theory-crafting on the murders of Maggie and Paul
• 41:32–48:49: The Gloria Satterfield housekeeper case—insurance scam
• 49:17–52:14: Conviction, clerk of court misconduct, appeals
• 54:26–61:18: The Stephen Smith case and Murdaugh rumor mill
• 62:27–66:05: Attempted insurance scam via staged suicide attempt
• 66:05–70:12: Where are they now? Buster and the closing thoughts

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Tone, Language, and Dynamic

The episode maintains Emily’s signature blend of legal acumen and conversational, sometimes darkly humorous tone, with Shane offering skeptical and candid insights. Their banter adds a real-world relatability to the complex legal and moral issues discussed.

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Conclusion

Emily and Shane deliver a thorough, engaging, and occasionally irreverent breakdown of the Murdaugh saga: a Southern tragedy of money, influence, crime, and family rupture. Listeners are left with the latest legal status, ongoing uncertainties, and pointed questions about justice in powerful families. They encourage listeners to follow any new developments and even joke about a field trip to the infamous Moselle estate.

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For Further Listening

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All legal theories and allegations discussed in this episode are the hosts’ personal opinions and are considered alleged unless/until proven in court.

Transcript

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[Emily Simpson]

Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I will be your host. Emily Simpson and Shane Shane okay, first of all, we have to do some updates on some cases that we've done previously. If you have not listened to our episode on Ellen Greenberg, I would suggest that you do that if you haven't, because it's a really, really interesting case. It's so interesting because you'll never actually know what happened. But we have some like breaking news or some new things that have happened.

[Shane]

Breaking only heard here.

[Emily Simpson]

The Philadelphia Medical examiner Reaffirms Ellen Greenberg's two 2011 stabbing death was a suicide. Now you know, when we talked about it previously, it was originally ruled a suicide, then it was ruled a homicide. Then I think it even may have gone back to a suicide then maybe back to a homicide because the parents were pushing, they wanted it ruled as a homicide because they wanted it investigated. And they never believed that their daughter took her own life, especially with 20 stab wounds. However, just recently the Philadelphia medical examiner's office issued a report affirming its ruling that the 2011 stabbing death of Ellen Greenberg was suicide. It was a 32 page report. The chief medical examiner was Dr. Lindsay Simon and she said that Ellen Greenberg would have been capable of inflicting the injuries on herself, noting that there was no sign of a struggle at the scene, no sign of an intruder. Her fiance's alibi was supported through surveillance footage and his DNA was not found on the knife. The medical examiner also noted that Greenberg was under the care of a psychiatrist at the time for her anxiety, but quote, she did not survive long enough to address the actual anxiety itself. Thus she had to an increase in energy to act on her anxious thoughts. I mean that's really the crux of the issue. Was she going through such a psychosis episode that she was able to inflict those wounds herself or did her fiance have something to do with it? At the end of the day we'll never know. But it is officially ruled a suicide and I think at this point that's probably a final determination. I don't know if the parents are.

[Shane]

Going to continue for her fiance. Right. I mean, whether he did it or not, it's a good thing. Well, if he did it, he stoked. Yeah. If he didn't do it, he stoked.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, exactly. William Trask is the Greenberg's family attorney. He blasted these findings in a statement and said the medical examiner's so called independent review of Ellen's death is a deeply flawed attempt to justify a predetermined conclusion by ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide. A creation which proves Ellen could not self inflict all of the wounds. There's unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship, etc, the medical examiner builds a flimsy case on distorted portrayals of Ellen's mental health. So obviously the family attorney is disagreeing and we'll continue to follow that and see if there's any other breaking news. But as of right now, it has been officially to suicide again.

[Shane]

Side note, if it's a homicide.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Insurances may be available. If it's a suicide, it's likely excluded.

[Emily Simpson]

Is that because we're going into the Murdaugh murders? Is that why that's on your mind?

[Shane]

That was my transition.

[Emily Simpson]

That was your. Well, we're not transitioning yet. We have.

[Shane]

Sorry. More updates.

[Emily Simpson]

We have some breaking news. Well, actually, just an update, I just like to say.

[Shane]

Breaking news on Amy Bradley again, another unsolved. Another unsolved missing person. Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, some people believe that she jumped, and then other people believe that she was trafficked.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

So the success of the Netflix docu series Amy Bradley is Missing has helped put Bradley's case in the national spotlight, bringing in hundreds of new leads to the FBI and Bradley's family. There are three very significant leads that a source close to the production has told the Hollywood Reporter. These are actually. These are really interesting. So I'm glad we're going to break these three new leads down just for a little bit.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

First of all, a female bar server that was on board the cruise ship that night has come forward to corroborate the kidnapping version of Event Sense. On the night Bradley went missing, a source says that this server was heard exclaiming to passengers and crew, senorita kidnapped. Seniorita kidnapped. The server does not speak much English, and the bar server was then told to shut up and taken to the back by a bartender. This server is currently being interviewed by investigators. So that is new tip number one. Number two, there has been a new highly suspicious hit to Amy Bradley's missing person's website. The site is being professionally monitored for activity, with the idea being that Bradley herself may use it as a way to feel connected with her family, or that her potential captors may use it as keeping tabs on the investigation. Through geolocating, investigators were able to trace the suspicious hit to an IP address of a device on a boat off the west end of Barbados. That seems like a more viable lead to me.

[Shane]

Yeah, well, time.

[Emily Simpson]

Because really, the only. You have to find her. You can't. You can interview a server all day long that says that she saw something that night 30 years ago, but that's not going to help you find her if she's still alive and she's existing.

[Shane]

No. And just seeing her. I mean, we. Seeing her alone may not do anything at all. I guess there'd have to be more tips.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. But the website with an IP address is definitely more viable because then you can go to a location and search. All right, the third new information surrounding that Amy Bradley has a potential child new evidence makes a more compelling case that Bradley has at least one child. The source believes the child is more than likely the result of Bradley being forced into sex work and not a signal that she has settled down to have a family. Though this information is vague, I guess the source knows more information, but is only sharing a little.

[Shane]

Well, that right there discredits it.

[Emily Simpson]

Why? Because they're not sharing everything. Yeah, well, maybe they're not publicly sharing it. Maybe they're sharing information, but they're not putting. Okay, they're not putting the information, a lot of information out publicly.

[Shane]

All right?

[Emily Simpson]

Because obviously if someone's following this case and she was sex trafficked and there's people looking into it and following it, you don't want to put all your.

[Shane]

Deliberately withheld from the public, right?

[Emily Simpson]

It is the most significant piece of new evidence. If Amy Bradley has a child, then we know she didn't die at sea, and then maybe there's a way to locate her.

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[Emily Simpson]

All right, let's move on to the twisted and crazy case of the Murdaugh Murders. First of all, there's two documentaries that I watch. There is a Hulu documentary called the Murdaugh Murders, A Deadly Dynasty, which is great. I would suggest that there's also a documentary on Netflix called the Murdoch Murders, A Southern Scandal, which is great. Also. Now Hulu has come out with a new it's not a documentary, it's a dramatization. And Shane and I watched the first three episodes and I will tell you, like, I have a big problem with this dramatization, but we're going to come back to that because I feel like we need to get into the story more. However, when it comes to dramatizations, what do you think? Like, I liked the Amanda Knox one because they did a good job is following the story as accurately as possible with facts and pulling all the testimony right.

[Shane]

Otherwise you just watch an action flick, any kind of murder mystery movie.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. They stuck to, to the facts and that's why I liked it. And then obviously with the dramatization, it's the, it's the director or producer or whoever, you know, they had some side stories as to where they add some creativity and you know, where you see like Rafaeli's family or conversations he might have had with his sister or his dad. And they're trying to make it deeper. They're trying to add more to the characters. I don't mind that level of creativity as long as you're sticking to the facts.

[Shane]

Sometimes you watch these things and there's conversation like how they know that conversation took place. But they're probably doing the best they can to interpret it and kind of get the vibe and tone and some of the things that might have been, you know, discussed.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, let's talk about Alex Murdaugh. He was a once prominent South Carolina attorney, a member of a powerful legal family. And he became the center of a massive criminal scandal after the June 2021 murders of his wife Maggie and son Paul on his family's 1770 acre hunting estate, which is called Moselle.

[Shane]

Holy cow.

[Emily Simpson]

1800 acres.

[Shane]

Acres.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. The investigation into those two murders unraveled a web of financial crimes, corruption, and deceased seat. Prosecutors alleged that Murdoch killed his family members to distract from and delay exposure of his own extensive financial misconduct. He had been stealing millions from his law firm and clients for years.

[Shane]

And this law firm goes back generations.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So yeah, it's like his great, great grandfather was a prosecutor, and then that, then his great grandfather was a prosecutor. Then his grandfather was a prosecutor. So this is a well established legal dynasty.

[Shane]

And this low country, they know everyone, everyone knows them.

[Emily Simpson]

So this case drew national attention not just for the brutality of the murders, but for the exposure of the deep rooted influence of the Murdoch family in South Carolina's low country justice system. All right, let's start with the Murdoch, who they are, why they're so powerful. So the Murdoch family is a once prominent and influential legal dynasty from Hampton County, South Carolina. Their prominence began back in 1910 when Randolph Murdoch Senior founded. This is called the PMPED Law Firm. Obviously PMPED stands for all the last names of the partners. Well, it's not pimped.

[Shane]

I know that's what it looked like when I saw it. Like they need to add like Ingles in there or something.

[Emily Simpson]

It's a personal offer. A pimp law firm. I mean, he kind of ran it like that. A personal injury and civil litigation powerhouse. From 1920 to 2006, three generations of Murdoch men, Randolph Senior, Randolph Junior and Randolph III, served as solicitor for the 14th Circuit. And solicitor is another way to say prosecutor. This meant the Murdoch prosecuted every major criminal case in their region for over 86 years, giving them deep ties to local law enforcement, judges and politicians. All right, so let's get into how all this starts to unravel. We might have to jump around just a little bit just to try to make this flow and make sense. But we're going to start in 2019 because I feel like that's where all the documentaries start as well, because you have to start with the boat crash. I feel like that's the catalyst for really the downfall of this family and, and, and everything being exposed. So we're going to start there. So on February 24, 2019 was the Murdoch boating accident. This is when the youngest son, Paul Murdaugh, was driving friends out on a boat late at night.

[Shane]

He's like 20, right? Or something, or early 20s.

[Emily Simpson]

He's 19 at the time when he's driving.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

So there were six longtime friends that were on a 17 foot sea hunt boat owned by Alex Murdaugh. Now it was three couples so you have Paul Murdaugh and then his girlfriend, who was Morgan Doty. They're 19. Then there's Mallory beach and her boyfriend Anthony. They're both 19. And then there's Connor Cookie, who is Anthony's cousin. And then his girlfriend Miley, who was also 20. And the three girls were friends and the three guys were friends. So you've got six couples out on a boat late at night. Now, the group drove the boat to an oyster shucking party and drank heavily at the event. And there's all these Snapchat videos. If you watch any of these documentaries, there's so much real footage of that.

[Shane]

Night of them partying on the boat.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm partying. And there's so much Snapchat videos and just social media type videos because you got six young kids on a boat and they're all taking videos, they're all posting, so you get a real life idea of what's going on. They're all heavily drinking. We later learned that Paul insisted on taking the boat that night because he knew there would be routine traffic stops on the road. So he wanted to steer clear of that. So it's interesting that he wants to. He wants to avoid a dui, so they take the boat out instead. Despite being underage, Paul was able to buy alcohol at a local convenience store. This is prior to taking the boat out using his older brother's id. His older brother's name is Buster. That night, witnesses describe Paul as acting belligerent and drunk and alternating between aggressive and erratic behavior. Paul was known to be a heavy drinker. His friends also had a name for his drunk alter ego. They called him Timmy. Now, I'm sorry, but you know that when you drink, like if your friends give you an entire different name, an entirely different identity, because you become a totally different person when you're drinking and.

[Shane]

It'S not for good. It's not like that becomes a gentleman.

[Emily Simpson]

No, he does not become a gentleman. Yeah, his name isn't like Bernard. His alter ego is Demi. And Timmy is a menace. Friends testified that Paul refused to let anyone else drive the boat, even though they repeatedly asked him to stop operating it. So you see them all go to this oyster shack, which is pretty far down the river. They're all partying, they're all drinking. There's all kinds of social media videos of them drinking. They get back in the boat. I'm sorry, this cat is driving me insane. I can't with the animals. It's just there's so many of them.

[Shane]

We should Do a zoo podcast.

[Emily Simpson]

So they. They leave the oyster shucking party and they're coming back. And then Paul insists that they stop at a bar on their way back. So they dock the boat on their way back, they go to a bar. It's him, and I think, like, another one of the guys. And you can see the. The girls and, you know, their surveillance video of it. They're waiting on him, and he comes back out of the bar, and he looks like he's acting kind of belligerent.

[Shane]

He's using his brother's ID to get the alcohol.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, he used his brother's ID to buy alcohol before they took the boat out. So it shows him, like, pulling in in a big truck, and he goes in the convenience store, he buys alcohol. He gets back in the truck. He's got the boat hooked up to it.

[Shane]

So, I mean, so he's a criminal from the beginning.

[Emily Simpson]

Right? So they stop at a bar, they drink, they get back into the boat. And I know that they kept saying that they were asking, like, repeatedly that they did not want him to drive the boat. The other guys tried to drive the boat. Here's the thing that bothers me, though. The other two guys are big guys. I mean, at the end of the day, if you're that concerned with him, like, I don't understand why they don't physically just hold him down.

[Shane]

Okay, if I'm driving the car and I'm drunk.

[Emily Simpson]

I can't. No, I can't even picture that, but okay.

[Shane]

And you're trying to take the wheel for me. Is it just a matter of you just. Just taking the wheel from me? No.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but I can't overpower. Well, maybe I can, but I can't overpower.

[Shane]

Powerful words.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm talking about the other two guys.

[Shane]

In the boat because it might take a minute to do it. Guys, have you ever seen cops try to take down someone? It sometimes takes four or five cops. Yeah, so cut them some slack is what I'm saying.

[Emily Simpson]

What, the other guys?

[Shane]

Yeah. You don't know what was going on in that boat?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, there's some video of it. It looks pretty chaotic.

[Shane]

There you go. That's why they couldn't take it over, because it was chaotic.

[Emily Simpson]

At around 2:20am While speeding through the dark, foggy waters near Archer's Creek Bridge.

[Shane]

Oh, and keep in mind, they were drunk too. If they were drunk too, they weren't. So, you know, they were a little impede to.

[Emily Simpson]

So the way I understood it is that they're close to Archer's Creek Bridge. And Paul was driving erratic and they were trying to get him to stop driving. And it seems like there's a scuffle and there's chaos going on. It looks like the boat, like, circles a little bit and then the boat stops. Then I believe the way I understand it is that Paul grabs the throttle and just pushes it forward at full speed. So the boat lurches forward, goes full speed and slams into a piling, which are those thick pillars that support a pier or a dock. The impact threw multiple passengers into the water. Connor, one of the other guys, had a huge gash near his mouth and left a permanent scar. And Morgan needed to get surgery on her badly injured hand. So Morgan is Paul's girlfriend. On also, they claim that he slapped Morgan that night and spit on her, like, while they were all in the boat. So despite these concerning injuries, every passenger besides Mallory beach surfaced. So everyone starts screaming out for Mallory because she's the only one out of all six people that they can't find. Everyone was screaming out for her while 911 was being called. 911 arrives and they take all these kids to the hospital, right? Except for Anthony Cook. Anthony refuses to leave because it's his girlfriend. Mal is the one that's missing.

[Shane]

A finder.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. All of the remaining passengers go to the hospital besides Anthony. And there's a lot of body cam footage from the police of that night. When the police arrive, you can see Anthony sitting there. He's yelling for Mallory. He's distraught. He's like, screaming at Paul like, you did this. You know, she's missing. He won't leave. Paul's belligerent. Here's what I don't understand. Paul, they. They tell the cops Paul's the one driving. They don't give him a Breathalyzer at that time.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

And he's belligerent. He's acting drunk. I mean, he's not. They take him to the hospital, and then once he gets to the hospital, he's completely obnoxious. He's, like, saying horrible things to the nurses and he's belligerent. So all the kids are at the hospital. Paul calls his grandfather Randolph, as he notoriously did, for help, because he gets in trouble a lot. He was a known troublemaker, but he would always call his grandfather Randolph. And Alex Murdoch quickly appear at the hospital and attempt to manage the narrative. You can also see this in surveillance footage. You can see the grandfather and Alex Murdaugh arrive. You can see them at the hospital. You can see them going from Room to room.

[Shane]

No kidding. There's all that footage. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, you can't hear what they're saying, but you can see that. Yeah. And they're going into the kids rooms and they're, you know, trying to control the narrative and they're saying, don't worry about anything, we're going to represent you in this. And like they're trying to don't worry.

[Shane]

You got some crooked lawyers here.

[Emily Simpson]

Take care of, we're going to do this.

[Shane]

This isn't our first rodeo.

[Emily Simpson]

So they try to intervene when the kids were asked for their witness statements and Alex repeatedly inferred that Connor was actually the one driving the boat. So already the dad's there trying to change the narrative and trying to blame it on the other kid, Connor. Connor did try to drive the boat, but at the end of the day, all the kids testified that it was Paul, was the one that, you know, put his hand on the throttle and was the one driving the boat. Several witnesses also stated that the officers did not immediately administer sobriety tests to Paul, which we talked about. There were also allegations that Paul's name was kept off of the official reports, which I'm sure had to do with the influence of his dad and grandfather. They didn't want them to give witness statements. They were going into the rooms. They were trying to, you know, change the narrative that it was Connor driving.

[Shane]

Totally different outcome because they were effectively represented right away by lawyers who knew this could go criminal.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

So they were, and they're crooked, so they're hardcore protecting their kid.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

A totally different outcome if, if their parents were like social workers and school teachers, Right. And just worried for their children and Mallory, it'd be a totally different outcome. You probably get more of the truth right away.

[Emily Simpson]

Meanwhile, there was an ongoing search for Mallory beach going on. A massive eight day search followed the crash involving dive teams, helicopters and volunteers. On March 3, 2019, Mallory's body was finally found about five miles downstream. It was wedged among reef reeds in the river. Her cause of death was blunt force trauma and drowning. On April 18th of 2019, Paul was indicted. And I think a lot of people were, I mean, hopeful, but probably skeptical that they would actually indict Paul Murdaugh just based upon the fact of who he was, who his grandfather was, who his father was.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, they're just wondering like, why this kid.

[Shane]

Plus most people are gonna hear the simple fact of a Murdoch kid was riding a boat. They probably know they have a reputation for drinking and partying and being Drunk or have, you know, doing going along those lines. And now Mallory's missing, and I'm sure they spread, you know, talk about how the dad's, you know, doing this and that and interfering, and so, yeah, they want him to go down.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So.

[Emily Simpson]

Paul Murdaugh was indicted on three felony counts.

[Shane]

Was he indicted before Mallory? Anything was determined on Mallory?

[Emily Simpson]

He was indicted after she was found. Paul Murdaugh was indicted on three felony counts. Boating under the influence causing death, and two counts of boating under the influence, causing great bodily injury. He pleaded not guilty and was released on his own recognizance. Despite the severity of the charges, Paul was never disciplined, and his family's influence over local law enforcement became a major point of controversy. You know, I know they did say he was supposed to when he was released. I think part of his release, part of his terms where he wasn't supposed to drink, and then they show he was so stupid, he would just post things on social media that showed him out partying, drinking right after being indicted for these. For these crimes.

[Shane]

That's all documented. They have all that.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

That's funny, because it's like, okay, I'll let you go, but you have to follow the law. It's like, well, he didn't do it in the first place. That's why he's in the courtroom.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but I mean, even when you're going through something like that and you've got three major charges against you, you've been indicted, and you're gonna have to go. You. He pleaded not guilty. So he's gonna go to trial. Right. Unless he takes some plea deal at some point.

[Shane]

Well, the parents are stupid for let they feel these their kid.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Shane]

I mean, probably. Daddy probably brought him a new boat right away.

[Emily Simpson]

Later on, Mallory's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Buster Murdoch for allegedly allowing his brother to use his ID to buy Alco, the Parker's Kitchen convenience store that sold alcohol to Paul. The lawsuit placed major financial pressure on Alex Murdaugh. All right, here's my thoughts. Because two years later, this is in June of 2021, and he hasn't gone to trial yet. So, okay, clearly the system is slow. Well, but not only the system is.

[Shane]

Slow, but I'm sure that they're delaying it.

[Emily Simpson]

Influence on the system being slow. So on June 7th of 2021. So this is two. Two years later, because the boat crash happened in 2019. Maggie and Paul Murdaugh are murdered the morning of June 7th.

[Shane]

This is the mom.

[Emily Simpson]

This is the Mom.

[Shane]

And the, the, and the, and the boat driver. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Paul Murdaugh, the youngest son driving the boat. So on the morning of June 7, 2021, the Chief Financial officer at Alex Murdaugh's namesake law firm confronts him, this is the morning of the murder, confronts him about $792,000 and missing funds from the law firm.

[Shane]

Did he take it straight from their bank account or he took it from settlements, I think. Right, Settlements. Well, the way that he interfered, the settlements being paid out.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, I mean, in the documentaries and I mean, he's, he's charged with like, eventually after the murders, he's charged with like 21 financial crimes or something. So he's, he has a ongoing long pattern of being able to defraud the system. And basically because he's an attorney and they do personal injury, he has, you know, invaluable knowledge of the inner workings of insurance and personal injury and all those things. However, he uses it for evil.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Instead of good.

[Shane]

Yeah. He's too much on the inside.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So the way I understand it is there is a, a company called Forge, which is one of those financial settlement companies, you know what I'm talking about, where, you know, you come into money, but instead of taking it as a lump sum, those companies manage the money for you and then pay out payments so that you don't end up spending.

[Shane]

All your money allowance, maybe invest the money and it's very safe.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So there was a company like that called Forge. So the way I understand it is Alex Murdaugh opened a personal banking account, but called it Forge. Then he would get his clients when they got these settlements to deposit the money into this account called Forge. However, it wasn't a legitimate business that was going to pay them out their money. It was his own. It was his own personal banking account.

[Shane]

It was his little druggie fund.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. And then I don't know how he managed, but I guess like you said when we talked about this before, where he would just constantly keep his clients at bay, saying there's no settlement that's.

[Shane]

Coming, almost like a pyramid scheme. So you get like, you know, a two million dollar settlement or whatever. And then he would be like, okay, you're gonna get like, you know, 30, 000 a year. So he gives them 30, 000 a year, but that's nothing. And he's probably robbing from Paul to pay Peter and doing all kinds of things. And these people, if so long as they get a little bit of money at a time as promised, they think it's all legit.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know if he's paying them anything.

[Shane]

I don't know either.

[Emily Simpson]

But I mean I think for the majority of his clients who receive settlement money and he was depositing into his own bank account, I think he was just telling them that there no settlement had come in yet. Which I don't understand that thinking because at some point people are going to.

[Shane]

Start asking questions, catch up. But he's not thinking like that. He's a criminal. They never, they always think they're never going to get caught otherwise he wouldn't commit a crime. So he's not worried about that.

[Emily Simpson]

All right then, the evening of June 7, 2021. This is around 7 to 8:30pm Maggie and Paul at Moselle together. Also a lot of people thought it was strange that Maggie, the mom was at Moselle because a lot of people were saying that she didn't like to be there. That's their hunting, Moselle's their hunting property. So they have a house.

[Shane]

Is this all on the same huge piece of property?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they have another, they have another home that she would always be at. But then Moselle was the hunting property. The 1700 acres with the dog wasn't normal for.

[Shane]

She wouldn't like casually go there all the time.

[Emily Simpson]

No. So she, she. Apparently he had called her that morning or something and asked her to be there. Right. So phone records show there. So that was suspicious around 8:40. This is, this is the dam. The most damning piece of evidence against him. He claims that he wasn't there, that he was at his parents house having dinner.

[Shane]

When did he make that statement to police?

[Emily Simpson]

So he calls the day of the crime, Right. So he calls 91 1, right. And says, you know, I found my son and, and wife murdered. And then he's like. And then when they ask him, you know, where were you? Or all those questions, he's like, I wasn't here. I was at my parents. I just came, you know, later and found them like this. And he claims that he wasn't at Moselle all day, all evening at all, until he arrived to find them murdered. However, at 8:44pm, Paul was making a Snapchat video of himself in the kennels with the dogs.

[Shane]

I wouldn't expect anything less of him.

[Emily Simpson]

And you can, and you can hear Alex Murdaugh, the dad in the background of the video talking.

[Shane]

Is it inaudible or do we know what he's saying?

[Emily Simpson]

I listened to it. I don't remember what he was saying.

[Shane]

But nothing Significant, Just shows nothing significant.

[Emily Simpson]

But it's clear that it's him and it's clear that it's his voice.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

The investigators claim that the murders took place approximately between 8:50 and 8:55pm That's a very small window. That's five minutes. I don't know how they figure. Figure out a five minute time frame, but that's.

[Shane]

I don't know either. Well, the phone calls and there might have been a lot of things that narrowed it down, the time of death and they limited it to five minutes.

[Emily Simpson]

So Paul was shot twice with a 12 gauge shotgun. The first shot hit his chest and shoulder. The second fatal shot entered his head at close range, blowing off part of his skull and brain matter.

[Shane]

His dad just blew him up.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, like to his. Like right up close to his head. Okay. And I have to tell you this, this is a little side story, but when I posted on my Instagram a couple days ago that we were going to talk about the Murdoch murders, and I posted that, yeah, a fan, someone that follows me reached out and sent me a message and said that they were really interested in this case. They'd followed it the whole time and that they actually went to the Moselle property. I don't know how they did. Yeah, she sent me a bunch of photos of it. Like up close photos of her just like in the dog kennels and like.

[Shane]

She posted on Snap.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I don't.

[Shane]

Maybe.

[Emily Simpson]

But she sent the photos to me and she said that there's still brain matter. Like in the. The feeding room is where the.

[Shane]

Paul was shot untouched.

[Emily Simpson]

And first of all, I was thinking, is this just. Is this not a crime scene anymore? It's just a 1700 acres out in the middle of the low country of South Carolina where you can just pull up and. And park and walk around.

[Shane]

Well, apparently she did it.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, now I want to take a field trip. I've already been to the Menendez house. Now I'd like to go to South Carolina. I want to walk on the Moselle property.

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[Emily Simpson]

All right, then Maggie was shot after Paul. And Maggie was shot five times with a.300 Blackout semi automatic rifle.

[Shane]

Five times where? In the head?

[Emily Simpson]

No, from behind because she was struck while trying to flee. She was hit in the back and the back of the head.

[Shane]

So yeah, so that's probably how they determine the order too. It's because she's running, right? And Paul probably was in a position where he wasn't running right.

[Emily Simpson]

I have a feeling Paul, well, Paul was probably caught off guard, right? He's in the kennels. He's probably, like feeding the dogs. He's bending over, getting dog food. He's on Snapchat. Right. He's not paying attention. His dad comes up, close range, shoots him right there in the dog kennels. My. I mean, I'm just speculating, this is all alleged, but I have a feeling that Maggie heard the gunshot. Heard the gunshot, came out, saw what happened, and then took off. And he grabbed. He used two different guns, so I can't tell if he used two different guns because.

[Shane]

Yeah, you mentioned this the other day. And he's a hunter now. I learned he has a hunting property.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And a house for hunting or whatever that he was calling it.

[Emily Simpson]

Tons of guns.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, but here's my question. Do you think that the intent was to kill the mom and the son or.

[Shane]

No, I think you're right.

[Emily Simpson]

And the mom happened to come upon.

[Shane]

I think you're right. Maybe he had. Maybe he considered as a possibility because Paul was in the boating accident. Paul committed A. A murder by way of a boating accident. It was going to tear the family apart in terms of the reputation, at least as far as the dad saw it and what mattered to him. And so Paul was a loose cannon. He was a loose end. He was a drunk. He was snapping all the time. He was doing all kinds of stuff.

[Emily Simpson]

By snapping, do you mean social media or do you mean, like, psychologically?

[Shane]

Both. So he's, he's posting that he's drinking when he's not. I mean, he's just a mess they probably can't keep under control. And also, you didn't mention it, but the older son was in law school at the time. Yeah, at the same law school that the. The prior generations went.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

So he was carrying on the family tradition. He was like the quote, unquote smart one.

[Emily Simpson]

He's, he's.

[Shane]

He was the good. He was the one that was doing what was probably expected and hoped of the parents. Paul was a drinker. He was a menace.

[Emily Simpson]

He's a partier. He's always in trouble.

[Shane]

Whatever. Whatever was going on. And I know it sounded like they were enabling him, right? They weren't caring for him. They were just letting him do whatever. So he probably saw him as less and thought, I'll kill him off. He'll be, he won't be a loose end. He won't be convicted of murder.

[Emily Simpson]

But see, but he called the mom and asked her to come to the hunting property. So he must have intended to kill. Okay, so then, so now I'm changing my. Because originally.

[Shane]

So he was going to eliminate both of them.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So he. And the reason she ran is because he's only one person. So he can only shoot one at a time. So he shoots.

[Shane]

So he had two guns. Yeah, yeah, I.

[Emily Simpson]

So I think he had the guns positioned somewhere in the kennel, hidden.

[Shane]

Well, then that might be why he had two guns. Maybe depending on where they were, he. He planted two different guns.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. And then maybe he planted the two different guns because he was hoping it could be some type of, like, story that it was a couple people that.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. The guns were never found. So that's interesting to me how he got rid of them so fast.

[Shane]

Well, he's got a big piece of property. This is not his first rodeo.

[Emily Simpson]

He does. I don't know how he did it. They did show on the cell phone data that his phone was like, either turned off or like completely inactive for hours and hours and hours. And then right after the murders happened, they turned on. It showed like 286, like steps, like all of a sudden on his. On his cell phone.

[Shane]

He turned it on while he was running or something.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. Either. He was like, like, either. I don't know. But it showed like a huge amount of activity.

[Shane]

Like all of a sudden you've turned your phone off.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't turn my phone off.

[Shane]

Exactly.

[Emily Simpson]

Nobody turns their phone off.

[Shane]

At the most, you reboot it. Right. And you don't even do that, but if you. You would reboot it so it'd be off for like a minute.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. What people need to do is they need to not turn their phone off. You just have to leave it somewhere. You just can't have a cell phone on.

[Shane]

Yeah, put it in Uber and let it drive around for a while. Create an alibi and then get back.

[Emily Simpson]

That's brilliant. Just put it, put it in an Uber.

[Shane]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

All right.

[Shane]

Tied to a squirrel. Let's let it run around.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. Both weapons were family owned firearms, though neither gun was ever recovered. They did, during the investigation. They did find the shell casings. They. And then they claimed that they found other shell casings on the same property that matched those shell casings. So that was more evidence against Alex during his trial.

[Shane]

Substantial evidence sense.

[Emily Simpson]

So during this time period, his alibi was. He claimed that he had gone to his mother's house, who suffers from dementia. So that's what his alibi was. He claimed that he was.

[Shane]

His alibi is my mother that doesn't remember Anything.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Trust. Trust me.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So then Alex calls 91 1, sounding distraught, while reporting that he had just returned home to find Maggie and Paul shot near the kennels. Deputies arrive and find Paul.

[Shane]

That's on his 911 call as well.

[Emily Simpson]

He. Well, he.

[Shane]

That I just arrived.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, he says, I just arrived. Right. Deputies arrive and find Paul's body inside the feed room at the kennels, and Maggie's body is about 30ft away. Both were obviously deceased. Alex tells the officers that he had been visiting his mother when the murders happened. He immediately speculates that they were targeted over Paul's boat crash case, saying, my son has been getting threats. And then they began investigating. So the boat is really a catalyst of, like, the boat crash of. Of the murders, I believe. Because I think you're right. I think. I think Paul going on trial is a bad thing, because I think Paul knows things about his dad. Not only does he know his drug.

[Shane]

Habit, prior murders that we didn't talk about yet.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Other murders.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

That Paul was probably aware of because he was the one that was always home. The other one's out living a normal life.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And he's a drunk and he's at home.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

So he knows things.

[Emily Simpson]

So we're gonna get into the. To what happened to Gloria Satterfield, who was the housekeeper who had. Had died back in 2018. So we're gonna have to take a little trip back in time. But Paul was there that day when she fell. And my. I'm just speculating, but I think Paul knows what happened to Gloria Satterfield, and the dad knows that if Paul goes on trial, he might have loose lips and start talking about things. And then.

[Shane]

So keep in mind, because we talked about the boating murder, which was Mallory, and then the housekeeper murder.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, we don't know if that's a murder. That was never. That was never breaking news.

[Shane]

It was a murder.

[Emily Simpson]

It was. Well, it was never confirmed a murder, but we can talk about it.

[Shane]

Okay. It was a murder like scene. That was one year before the boating accident.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

I mean, that's. That's right there. You have a family that within one year, less than one year, there's two deaths.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

One in their home and one on their boat.

[Emily Simpson]

Vote. Right. Right.

[Shane]

Just leave it at that.

[Emily Simpson]

Let's talk about Gloria Satterfield. Since we got into that for a little bit. First of all, when we were talking about the Hulu dramatization earlier, this is what I don't like about it, and you and I were watching it and you picked up on it before I did. The Hulu dramatization shows the boat crash of 2019. How it starts, how that's how it starts. Then it shows several scenes and conversations. And after the fact of Paul with Gloria Satterfield, she's throughout the. She's the series, throughout the entire thing. The problem is Gloria Satterfield fell dead.

[Shane]

Down the stairs a year prior.

[Emily Simpson]

A year prior in 2018. So this is why I don't like this dramatization, because it's not just like conversations where people are using creativity.

[Shane]

She's heavily involved.

[Emily Simpson]

They put her into a. Into a scenario that she wasn't around for. They have her talking to Paul about the boat crash. I believe Paul takes her car to drive to the BO crash scene. He calls her. There's all these conversations. She's heavily involved in this in 2019.

[Shane]

Helping the family along during this time.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. She. This is completely inaccurate. She was.

[Shane]

I have no idea why they need to have her in there.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know why they did that either. But to me, it illegitimizes it.

[Shane]

It's like, if it's like, what else is inaccurate?

[Emily Simpson]

Right. If you're taking someone who died in 2018 and inserting them in scenes that took place in 2019, then I don't find this credible. Anyway, that really bothered me. So just warning you, I'm not a fan of the dramatization because of that. That's just too left field for me, that you're inserting someone into scenes.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

That wasn't even alive at the time. All right, let's just talk about what happened with Gloria a little bit. So we're just going.

[Shane]

So we're going back in time a year prior to the boating murder.

[Emily Simpson]

We're gonna go back to 2018, because I think that makes the most sense. So Gloria Satterfield was the.

[Shane]

Wait, can I say this?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

There's the boating accident, which we talked about about first.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

Subsequent to that, there was the mother and the son who was the boating under the influence kid. Then prior to that. So now we have some other. Everything else is being highlighted. Like people are going back in time.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Highlighting the boat murder and highlighting the. The housekeeper's death.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And say murder.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And then the other one, too.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So we're going to go back to 2018. So Gloria Satterfield was the Murdaugh's longtime housekeeper. She allegedly fell on the steps of the family's Moselle estate. Now, remember, that's their hunting lodge and later died from her injuries. The Murdaws claim she tripped over the family dogs while walking up the steps. Gloria did not die at the scene, but she was unable to tell anyone exactly what happened before she passed due to her injuries. I believe she spent like a week in the hospital and was never able to fully communicate. Alex Murdaugh encouraged Gloria's son to sue him for wrongful death, claiming that he would ensure that they received the insurance settlement. This is really interesting to me because this is a very elaborate scheme, and this is why I do not think that this was an accident. First of all, he took out an umbrella policy on the hunting lodge on that property one month before her. Oh, really?

[Shane]

One month before he'd had another policy. And then you tell me not to call it a murder.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm. Well, I, I'm saying it. Legally, it has not been confirmed a murder, but I'm saying he took out an insurance policy one month before she fell down the stairs. Also, when he told investigators what happened, he made sure to tell investigators that she was not there that day working in the scope of being a housekeeper.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah. So that way it falls within the in policy.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Otherwise it'd be a work comp claim.

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly.

[Shane]

And it's capped. Work comp doesn't pay much at all.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. He said that she was only there to pick something up or to drop something off. Not working as a housekeeper. Also, it was found out later that the dogs had nothing to do with her fall, that he inserted the dogs into this whole scenario so that it would be a property claim because it's like the. His dog that lived on the property caused the injury, therefore it would fall under the. These umbrella policies. So then he goes to her sons and says, hey, I want to help you out. Why don't you sue my estate and I'll represent you and then you'll get, you know, insurance consulting fee. Right. So then he brings on, like, another attorney. He's sending letters and some financial advisor guy, too. They're in on it as well. And then he's. He's. He's constantly on the insurance company. He's sending them letters demanding payment with.

[Shane]

His name on it. Not with his name on it.

[Emily Simpson]

His own letterhead. Yes. He's representing them against himself, which I don't even understand ethically.

[Shane]

Against his. Well, he's the policy holder. He's not suing himself. He's suing the insurance company. But he's the policy holder.

[Emily Simpson]

Right, but I'm just saying that's a conflict of interest. I don't understand how ethically you can even represent.

[Shane]

Well, yeah, but you're wondering about ethics with this guy.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I, I, no, not at all. The man has no ethics. I mean, he's a monster. There's no doubt about that. I'm just saying, like, why the bar wasn't. I mean, I guess this guy just does whatever he wants. And you know, he's so used to it, it doesn't. No one's. Anyway, so he represents them against himself and in his insurance policies, and then he ends up collecting over $4 million.

[Shane]

From these different 8 or 4 point.

[Emily Simpson]

I think it was 4 point. I saw 4.8 and 4.3 over 4 tax free. Takes the money again. I think he deposits it into that account. He calls like the forge account and then continues to tell the brother, the sons, that they haven't received settlement payment.

[Shane]

Yeah, like still I'm hounding them. I'm waiting.

[Emily Simpson]

Right, right. So there you go. All I know is I know it wasn't it. It hasn't been classified as a murder. He wasn't prosecuted for it as a murder. But the fact that he took out an umbrella insurance policy a month fact that she fell down the stairs and had like, blunt force trauma to her head and that he immediately offered to represent and sue.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You didn't convince me.

[Emily Simpson]

But the question is, was he there at the time? Because he claims that he wasn't there.

[Shane]

It doesn't matter. He set it all up.

[Emily Simpson]

But then who pushed her or threw her? I don't know.

[Shane]

But he set it up.

[Emily Simpson]

I know. Anyway, again, Paul was definitely there and the mom was definitely there there. So again, that leads me to believe that maybe that's why he ended up murdering the mom and the brother. Because again, he doesn't want anything to come out about what happened to Gloria Satterfield. And maybe they were both loose ends in the Gloria Satterfield situation.

[Shane]

That's right.

[Emily Simpson]

So there you go. That was 2018. That was one year before the boating accident. We'll just go back a little bit. In January of 2023. This is when his trial starts. On February 1st, prosecutors play a video taken by Paul Murdaugh on the night he was killed. Alex Murdaugh's voice can clearly be heard in the background, contradicting his claim that he was not at the crime scene that night. So that was at 8:44pm which places him there in March of 2023. After weeks of testimony, jurors deliberated for less than three hours before returning guilty verdicts on all four charges, Murdoch was facing two counts of murder and two counts of possession of a weapon and the commission of a violent crime. He is sentenced the next day to life in prison. Now, this has happened recently in 2025. In May 14th of 2025, the former Colton County Clerk of Court. That was a lot of. That was a lot of Cs. Did you hear that?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Colton County Clerk of Court. Her name is Becky Hill. She is arrested and charged with obstructing justice and two counts of misconduct and one count of perjury related to Alex Murdaugh's murder trial. She was the clerk the of of court at the time, but she was writing a book about the criminal trial and she was also making inappropriate comments to jurors to persuade them to find a guilty verdict.

[Shane]

Wow.

[Emily Simpson]

So the question is, right, what's the legal standard? Was what she did, would that have altered the outcome? Right.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, they called, call it Sled S L E D had been investigating her over allegations of jury tampering in the trial. And Murdaugh's legal team requested a new trial based on those allegations. The trial court denied it at the time. However, this is where we're at currently. This is 2025. This is where we are at with his life sentence and his conviction. His defense attorneys appealed to the South Carolina Supreme Court. Both sides issued briefs. And now it is currently they just. They took on the case and now it's currently with the South Carolina Supreme Court to decide whether he's entitled to a new trial based upon her being found guilty of jury tampering and persuading the jury. So that's in limbo. Right now it's with the South Carolina Supreme Court and there is no deadline. They don't have a deadline. They can just decide to. To.

[Shane]

They'll look at it when they want to look.

[Emily Simpson]

They can look at it when they want to look at it. And they can schedule.

[Shane]

Let's let them serve 20 years first, then we'll look at it.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. The next step, if they move forward at all with this, would be to schedule or oral arguments for both sides. So basically, either they'll ignore it and let it just go on and on and on and not do anything about it, or they'll schedule oral arguments. But right now his case is with the South Carolina Supreme Court. So that's where we're at with that.

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[Emily Simpson]

All right, one that last death.

[Shane]

Going.

[Emily Simpson]

Further back, right, Going even further back now we're going to go back to 2015 is the death of Stephen Smith, which occurred on July 8th of 2015. Now his death was just immediately ruled a hit and run. He was found dead in the middle, on the kind of in the middle of the road actually with like blunt force trauma to his head. But there were many people that believed it wasn't a hit and run because I guess there were no skid marks on the, you know, on the road and his shoes were still intact.

[Shane]

Hit and run with no skid marks?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, well they were saying that it didn't look like a typical hit and run looks like. And I guess because he still had his shoes on. I didn't know this, I'd never heard this before, but I guess when people are hit with high velocity impact, they.

[Shane]

Take their shoes off.

[Emily Simpson]

Their shoes come off. I guess that's a, a common thing. But anyway, his shoes fell off once.

[Shane]

When I got hit by another skier.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, really?

[Shane]

Kind of the same thing?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane]

I flew out of both my skis.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

How hard did they hit you? How fast?

[Shane]

Very hard. I had the wind knocked out of me.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. And your ski boots flew off?

[Shane]

No, I flew out of the ski boots. Oh, the ski boots down the hill. Yeah, they were fine. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

You just went out of them?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, so Stephen smith was a 19 year old nursing student who was found dead in the middle of a rural road in Hampton County, South Carolina. This again was back in 2000 2015. Steven's body had severe head trauma, but no vehicular debris was found and his loose fitting shoes still remained on his feet. South Carolina Law Enforcement division initially declines the case and defers it to the highway patrol saying that it's a hit and run. Even though despite there being suspicious circumstances, the official determination leans toward hit and run. Then for a year or so, the investigation stalls. Unfounded rumors circulate that Buster Murdaugh may be connected to the case as his name appears multiple times. And investigative notes. So while they're investigating this, they're talking to like a bunch of kids. Right. Because this guy is. This kid's young, so there. And it shows in the documentary. There's a lot of recorded conversations with these kids in the area and they're all bringing up Buster Murdoch's name. I heard it was Buster. I heard it was Buster. I heard Buster and this kid, Stephen Smith, who was gay.

[Shane]

Buster was the older son. Right?

[Emily Simpson]

Right. But this is back in 2015. So he's not in law school yet. Yet. But people were saying that they had heard rumors that, you know, Buster was allegedly involved with him romantically and, you know, maybe that was the intent to, you know, I don't know. No one is charged in. The Smith family believes Stephen was murdered and that the investigation was influenced or mishandled. Now they reopen the case after the murders of Maggie and Paul. Because while they are investigating the murders of Maggie and Paul, something comes up during this investigation that leads them back to Stephen Smith. I don't know what. They've never, I've never seen anywhere where they've elaborated on that.

[Shane]

Well, probably just the fact that there's murders all around this family. So they're gonna look into all of them.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't think that's it. I think that there's specific details. Something comes up during the investigation that leads them back. Because they exhume the body.

[Shane]

Oh, because at the time of that hit and run or whatever it was, the Murdochs were not. Well, witnesses just referenced Buster, but that's as far as they got.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, there were just kids saying they heard rumors.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

So there's no talking. And this is back in 2015. This is prior to all these other killings.

[Shane]

So for whatever reason, that connection was made whether it was those witness statements.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So then in 2021, when they are investigating the murders of Maggie and Paul, there is evidence that comes forward that leads them back to the Stephen Smith hit and run, or murder, whatever you want to call it. And they reopen the case face, and they actually exhume his body.

[Shane]

How's that for a job title?

[Emily Simpson]

What, Exit body exumer.

[Shane]

I exhume bodies.

[Emily Simpson]

I can't.

[Shane]

I.

[Emily Simpson]

You know what? Every time I read something that a body was exhumed, like, years later, I'm like, who is the person that opens the casket? That's what I want to know. Who does that?

[Shane]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

Would you ever want to be that person? No, not me neither. Because first of all, I don't even know, like, what are you gonna find? I don't like you. Open it. What's in there?

[Shane]

Well, a dead body.

[Emily Simpson]

I know, but I mean, what's it gonna look like?

[Shane]

Like, it depends on that much. How much Botox and filler they have.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, well, I'll be well preserved. If anybody wants to exhume my body, I'm just gonna look just like this.

[Shane]

You will.

[Emily Simpson]

So Sled releases a statement confirming Stephen Smith's death is being investigated as a homicide, not a hit and run. This comes after forensic review and pressure from Smith's family and their legal team. The Smith family raises money to exhume Steven's body for an independent autopsy. Dr. Aaron Presnow, original autopsy from 2015 is heavily scrutinized for ruling blunt force head trauma as caused by the vehicle impact. So then In April of 2023, after the body was exhumed, a second autopsy is performed. The findings are not publicly, publicly released, but reinforce foul play. Then In July of 2025, this is the most recent thing I could find. I don't think that Buster Murdoch was involved in this. I think think that this family is so prominent and Everybody knows their names and everybody knows Buster Murdoch, and everybody knows Paul Murdaugh. And these have bad reputations and they get away with everything. I think it was. I think it was just a rumor mill that spread naming.

[Shane]

Like it's probably the Murdogs, right? Something like that. Like that was kind of the vibe.

[Emily Simpson]

So now the. There's two persons of interest. They haven't been charged with anything, but there is a guy named Patrick Wilson and another guy named Sean Connolly have been repeatedly discussed in nationwide reporting regarding this murder case. A confidential source close to Patrick Wilson provided an exclusive firsthand account detailing Wilson's confession the day Stephen Smith died. Patrick reportedly told the source, I think we hit somebody. I think we killed someone before vomiting multiple times. I think they were out driving. I think this is just me speculating. I don't know, but I think they were driving, probably driving fast. Maybe they were driving drunk. And then I think the mirror on the side of a big truck maybe hit him in the head and that's what caused the blunt force trauma. But this interview and all other interviews pertaining to Stephen Smith have been handed over to sled, and no one has officially been convicted yet. That was the most recent article I could find. This is July of 2025, so we don't know what's going on. They're obviously haven't released any information, and we'll see what happens with Stephen Smith. So we'll just continue to follow that to see if anything else comes out.

[Shane]

Okay, so there's never really been tied to it then?

[Emily Simpson]

No, there was just. I think that. I think the actual investigation was clouded by the rumors that it was Buster Murdaugh. And I think he. I don't think he had anything to do with it.

[Shane]

Sum up, we have the housekeeper, 2008, fell down the stairs.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

And he helped her children sue his insurance company and gave them nothing and kept it. All right, and then there's a boating murder in 2019, and he does everything he can to help cover it up. Up including killing his son and wife?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, we don't know if that's the reason. We're just speculating. But yes, in 2021, what it was.

[Shane]

Well, I mean, come on, let's use some.

[Emily Simpson]

Shane's convinced. That's why. That's the reason.

[Shane]

Wait, he had an opioid addiction? That. That's where a lot of the money was.

[Emily Simpson]

No, you know what? Yeah, well, you know what I read, and I don't even understand this. I read that he said in an interview that he was spending close to $50,000 a week on opioids. How is that possible?

[Shane]

Because his drug dealer knows he has money and he probably charges him a premium. He was paying whatever it took. That dealer knew he was hooked and he had money, but it doesn't matter. It was a lot of drugs, and that guy was burning a lot of money and taking them. Yeah, he's probably taking him every hour at that rate.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, that's insane. $50,000 a week.

[Shane]

Yeah, I know.

[Emily Simpson]

On a drug habit.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, his drug dealer's got to be like, driving around in a Ferrari, still trying cases.

[Shane]

Cases like he's still, like, functioning.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, there's one more thing that we have to talk about. This man is so whacked but so good at defrauding insurance companies that he has another attempt to defraud an insurance company by coming up with a scheme. This is in 2021, where he's going to he his. So his drug dealer, who's also like. Like a distant cousin of his, they call him cousin Eddie. I guess they concoct some plan where he. Where ale Murdoch is going to be on the side of the road and has like, a flat tire or something, and then the cousin's supposed to come along and shoot him in the head, which would be a murder. So then that Buster Murdoch can collect $10 million in insurance money.

[Shane]

So this was the way he wanted to kill himself because of his drug addiction or something?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I don't. I don't know.

[Shane]

Did he get shot?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but we. I still don't know if he shot himself or if Eddie shot him.

[Shane]

He got shot in the head?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but it didn't. It didn't go through like, a skull or anything. It was a surface, superficial shot that just kind of grazed. So. And it's still unknown to me. I don't know. I tried to find it out, but I can't really tell what exactly happened, whether he shot himself or whether cousin Eddie shot him. But on September 4th of 2021, Alex Murdoch calls 911 and reports that he was shot while on the side of the road fixing a flat tire. He was taken to a hospital where he was treated for a superficial gunshot wound to the head. Court documents alleged that Murdoch's roadside shooting was part of an arrangement in which he hired someone to kill him so that his surviving son, Buster, could collect a life insurance payout of about $10 million. I tell you, that's where you are so crazy. Well.

[Shane]

Well, he was committing suicide, right? Well, we believe he one possible scenario was he was trying to commit suicide, but by way of staging it as a murder to collect insurance funds.

[Emily Simpson]

So he stages this suicide attempt or murder or whatever you want to call it. This is after he murdered his wife and son and is about to go on trial. So maybe that was his way of avoiding trial. He was like, I'm just gonna, like I'm gonna have this guy shoot me in the head and take me out and I'm gonna le $10 million. Yeah.

[Shane]

He's like, how am I gonna get $50,000 worth of opioids while I'm in prison?

[Emily Simpson]

You can't. Yeah, right.

[Shane]

How am I gonna scam people out of their lawsuits? I can't.

[Emily Simpson]

Right? Then Curtis Edward Smith, who is a cousin of Alex, the guy they call Cousin Eddie, is the one who allegedly shot him. Many thought Curtis was Alex's drug dealer and co conspirator in the shady business deals and money schemes. So in June, this is a crazy timeline. This guy is just like everywhere, he's busy. This man is a busy man. No wonder he has to take so many opioids in order to be able to, to wake up every day to get through life, defraud everybody that he's defrauding and kill his family, kill anyone that is getting in his way. He's got to take $50,000 a week in opioids to be able to do all of that. So this is June of 2022, where he's indicted on the two counts of criminal conspiracy. That's to get the $10 million in life insurance funds for Buster. Then in July of 2022, that's when he's indicted on two counts of murder for his son and his wife. Wife and the two weapons counts in connection with those 2021 killings. All right, so let's talk about where Buster Murdoch is currently. He's the only remaining son. He's not only is he the only remaining son, he's the only remaining.

[Shane]

Murdog family. Right. The only offspring left.

[Emily Simpson]

So Buster went from being a member of one of South Carolina's most well known families to living a life in near isolation, cutting off contact from most of his social circle following his mother and brother. Brother's deaths. He really withdrew after everything happened. A former college roommate told people magazine in 2022. He has really closed off and built walls around himself. I mean, I don't blame the guy. Can you imagine? I mean, oh yeah, your mother's murdered, your brother's murdered, your dad goes on trial for murdering Your mom and your brother, you're implicated in this, all this.

[Shane]

Crime against the law firm's probably not going to hire you that you had all these hopes for you. Like I'm going to go work at my dad's law firm attempt and then they don't want to hire you. They're like, they'll thank you so.

[Emily Simpson]

Buster has never returned to Moselle or his family's beach house on a disto island where his mother was staying before her death. He also avoids his hometown of Hampton. He said he claims I get stopped and yelled at all the time I got cussed at in a gas station the other day, Buster told his father in a taped jailhouse phone call. To escape, Buster moved into his girlfriend Brooklyn white South Carolina condo. The longtime couple went on to purchase a home together in Bluffton, South Carolina in May of 2023. Does Buster believe his dad? He does that. I thought that was crazy, but maybe he needs to. I mean he believes that his dad's innocent in the murders of his mom.

[Shane]

Well, if Buster was of familiar with the other murders and that shady stuff was going in the family, then maybe he's just, you know, complying and being part of it to cover up.

[Emily Simpson]

Buster has stood by his father, maintaining his innocence during and after his trial. In an interview with Fox Nation In August of 2023, Buster doubled down on his stance that his father was innocent and did not bel in prison. I do not think that he could be affiliated with endangering my mother and brother. We have been here for a while now and that's been my stance. Buster added that he believed his father's trial was not fair and that pre trial publicity led the jury to form predetermined opinions about him. I think that I told a very unique perspective that nobody else in the courtroom ever held and I know the love that I have witnessed, buster said, referencing his father's loving relationship with his family. Busser also told Fox Nation that he believes the killer is still on the loose and that his safety is at risk as a result. I think I set myself up to be safe. But yes, when I go to bed at night, I have a fear that there is somebody that is still out there. He shared.

[Shane]

How could that be? I mean the simple fact that he the dad calls 911 and tells the police I arrived and they were murdered.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And then there's snap video.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Which is time stamps.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Of him talking in a casual tone prior to them being murdered.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. I, you know, I don't know. That's Why I was saying, do you think it's a psychological thing where. Because his mother is now dead and his brother is dead and he has no one else in the world, maybe psychologically, he needs to believe maybe that's.

[Shane]

The side with his dad's. Dad's still controlling everything. And, I mean, really, what he needs to do is, if he could, is get all the properties, sell them all, and go move to some other town and start over.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, also, Buster was kicked out of law school, so he never graduated from law school. I guess he was kicked out for plagiarizing. So he did not finish law school. And also, I do know that he currently has lawsuits, I believe, against Netflix and Hulu and maybe some other media outlets, because he claims that they defamed him by alleging that he was involved in Stephen Smith's murder in 2015, and that that's ruined his reputation, that he had nothing to do with it, that he wasn't involved. And so we'll see what happens with that as well. That's. That's tricky because they did play actual recorded interviews with people where they. They say that it was a rumor and they heard that it was Buster, but they played multiple interviews of people alleging that it was Buster. And the question is, is. Is that considered defamation or is that an opinion or is that an investment?

[Shane]

It just depends on how they worded it.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

So with that said, everything I said earlier was alleged.

[Emily Simpson]

Is that your caveat at the end?

[Shane]

Yes. Sorry, Buster.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, we have now come to the conclusion of the twisted and crazy tale of Alex Murdaugh and the murder, murder, murders. So if you have anything to add.

[Shane]

To that, any more murders that come up in the South Carolina area that might be tied to Murdoch, make sure.

[Emily Simpson]

You DM me and let me know. Also, I feel like we should plan a Legally Brunette field trip to the low country of South Carolina, because apparently you can just walk onto the hotel property and just walk around, take a look and take photos like it's an amusement park.

[Shane]

I don't want to see that.

[Emily Simpson]

You don't want to see that. I would. I do.

[Shane]

You don't even. We go to universities, and you won't go into a fake haunted house, and you're gonna go see, like, a real, real place where someone was murdered and brain matter splattered everywhere.

[Emily Simpson]

That I'm fine with.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't like haunting houses. That I'm absolutely fine with. All right, thanks, guys, for listening to Legally Brunette. We appreciate it. And as always, we have moved over to our own feed, so please make sure that you follow us there and listen to our episodes there. So thank you so much for listening. We appreciate it.

[Shane]

Bye.

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