Mean Girl Conga Line (RHOM Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Mean Girl Conga Line" (RHOM Recap)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Date: October 10, 2025
Episode Focus: Real Housewives of Miami (RHOM) Season Reunion (Part 2) Recap, with special guest Adriana, plus personal stories and commentary.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive deep into the explosive second part of the RHOM reunion. They untangle the drama and emotional fallout from revelations about Julia and Adriana's relationship, secrets among castmates, and broader issues about betrayal and loyalty. Special guest Adriana joins for an unfiltered interview, providing context and candid responses to what went down onscreen — and behind the scenes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Home Security Scare & Social Media Warnings

[03:54–07:01]

• Tamra shares a real-life scare: her New Jersey house was recently broken into by burglars who used a blowtorch to break in, but were thwarted by a robust alarm system.
• Insights:
  • Don’t post your location or absences on social media; burglars monitor this information.
  • Tamra: “Do not post when you’re not home...It is a big mistake.” [05:42]
  • Teddi relates, sharing her own similar home intrusion experience and emphasizes always having strong alarms and even dogs as deterrents.

2. RHOM Part 2 Reunion: The Julia & Adriana Bombshell

[07:09–19:59]

• The reunion opens with Julia revealing she and Adriana had a physical relationship before Julia’s engagement, leading to tense and immature reactions from the group.
• Teddi & Tamra critique the women’s fixation on explicit details:
  • Tamra: “It was a very immature reaction...The most thing they were caring about was the intimate details of the act. I was so turned off by that...” [11:08]
  • Both agree that probing for sexual specifics is inappropriate given the context — relationships, marriages, and children are at stake.
• They discuss Adriana's strategy of downplaying the encounter and Julia’s reasoning for the reveal, citing being “mentally abused” and “blackmailed” for years.

3. Adriana’s Threats & Friendship Fallout

[09:27–14:21]

• The "breaking the fourth wall" confusion: The hosts unpack the use of this term, ultimately clarifying it refers to revealing production-related discussions, not airing personal secrets.
• Adriana’s response to the reveal: She retaliates with accusations of Julia cheating with others, citing incidents with a Haitian mortician and a cop.
• Both hosts agree this cross-confessional airing of secrets crosses a line, especially when it inflicts collateral damage (e.g., hurting Martina, Julia's spouse).
  • Teddi: “That conversation could have been really about them and getting through...not how the sexual act actually took place.” [17:38]

4. Backstage Drama and Dog Commentary

[18:02–19:35]

• The antics spill backstage: Julia reveals another tryst with Adriana at Alexis’s bachelorette at the Versace mansion.
• Wry humor about Julia’s dog Basquiat being amidst the drama: “That dog has to hear all day. Can you imagine? Basquiat needs a therapist by now.” – Tamra [18:25]

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INTERVIEW WITH ADRIANA (Guest Segment)

[25:20–42:28]

Adriana Sets the Record Straight

• Adriana denies her threats at the holiday party were about exposing the physical relationship, but rather about producer-style disputes about “storyline lanes,” specifically about Julia allegedly sabotaging her music storyline.
• She frames Julia as opportunistic—using seduction to advance herself within the group and on the show.
  • Adriana: “She tried to seduce me. Like she tried to seduce the entire cast at different moments.” [28:50]
• Details on their encounters: Julia initiated, often when both were drinking; Adriana claims she never reciprocated physically beyond allowing Julia’s advances.
• When pressed about feelings post-reunion, Adriana confesses to staying “strong,” but notes feeling like the group scapegoat.
  • Adriana: “They feel, 'let's pick on Adriana because she's the easy one to pick on. Nobody's there to defend her.'” [36:51]
• Her regrets? She stands by supporting Gertie (a castmate who had battled cancer), refusing to “pile on somebody” despite group pressure.
  • Adriana: “I refuse to be a mean girl...” [41:25]
• Empathetic notes from Tamra and Teddi regarding family loss, vulnerability, and the toll of reality TV.

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Additional Reunion Recap & Commentary

Performative Gifts, Analogy Overload & Witchy Worries

[47:44–50:26]

• Highlights of the reunion include Adriana’s gift-giving, analogies from Stephanie, and Marisol’s concern about “cursed” objects.
• Tamra comments on the reunion’s performative elements: “It's almost...performative, it's exaggerated. The way she explains things in a very, like, kind of like, over the top way.” [49:22]
• Humor: comparisons between antics on RHOM and prior Real Housewives franchises.

Kiki’s Vulnerability & Celibacy

[50:29–51:34]

• Kiki opens up about her absentee father, patterns in her relationships, and her current celibacy (except for her vibrator and porn); banter ensues about whether self-pleasure counts.

Stephanie & Alexia Conflict: Intentions vs. Offense

[51:34–53:02]

• Discussion about weighing intentions against words.
• Tamra appreciates Stephanie’s explanation more than a “fake apology,” noting the importance of intention at their age.

Stephanie’s Impact and Group Dynamics

[53:02–53:49]

• Stephanie's strong opinions caught Alexia off guard, but Teddi and Tamra are surprised the reaction wasn’t harsher, comparing it to how things get handled in New Jersey.

Chat GPT Enters the Bravo-verse

[54:31–55:28]

• Lisa uses ChatGPT during the reunion to summarize Larsa’s personality, which Larsa takes in stride.
• “I can’t believe we’ve gotten to the point of using Chat GPT in a reunion, you know?” – Teddi [55:25]

Larsa & Lisa: Friendship Fractures

[55:28–56:54]

• The main beef: Larsa is more upset about Lisa not picking up the phone during her breakup than social media behaviors.
  • Tamra: “If my girlfriend called me and said, unfollow the guy, I don’t follow the guy.” [56:50]

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Closing Thoughts & Emotional Impact

[57:06–57:46]

• Both hosts find the episode draining and emotionally heavy, acknowledging the intense, vulnerable positions the cast end up in.
  • “Adriana does not sound good. She doesn’t sound good at all.” – Both hosts [57:39]
• They tease that the next part of the reunion will bring even more revelations.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Do not post when you’re not home. I don’t care if it’s a wedding. Wait till the next day when you’re home.”
  — Tamra [05:42]

• “It was a very immature reaction that the most thing that they were caring about was the intimate details of the act. I was so turned off by that...there are children in place.”
  — Tamra [11:08]

• “That conversation could have been really about them and getting through...not how the sexual act actually took place.”
  — Teddi [17:38]

• “She tried to seduce me. Like she tried to seduce the entire cast at different moments.”
  — Adriana [28:50]

• “I refuse to be a mean girl like that...I refuse to.”
  — Adriana [41:25]

• “Adriana does not sound good. She doesn’t sound good at all.”
  — Teddi & Tamra [57:39]

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends characteristic humor and candor from Tamra and Teddi with rare, unfiltered insight from Adriana. The main throughline is betrayal and blurred boundaries — between friends, castmates, and what gets revealed in the public eye. Despite the wild drama, the hosts bring empathy, focus on real-life impact, and caution listeners about the costs of fame, performativity, and unresolved emotions in reality TV communities.

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[Tamara Judge]

Two teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Hi, guys.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Dolores Catania.

[Tamara Judge]

Hi, Teddy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hi. I need to talk to you. I read on Jeff Lewis something that happened in your Rhode island home. Can you give us the details?

[Tamara Judge]

What is in Rhode Island? It was my New Jersey home.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, it was your New Jersey home?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, because I was filming in Rhode island, so I guess they were watching around to see that I hadn't been home.

[Adriana]

And.

[Tamara Judge]

Or. Or Paul posted a picture of him and I on the dock at the house. And that night we got broken into, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And they had blowtorches.

[Tamara Judge]

So the thing is, the new thing is that they. They come in with a blowtorch and they melt your window on your door so that they can get through without setting the alarm off. But our alarm is insane. Our alarm is hooked up to the police station, the swat, I mean, you name it. And when they got in, they thought they were in, and all of a sudden the house started screaming at them like, get out. Get out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

So we have them on camera and the cops came, they ran out, missed them by 27 seconds. And the cops were amazing. But the video footage we have of the cops coming through with the guns drawn and everything, like, yeah, it's. It's crazy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And they get something comfortable.

[Tamara Judge]

They didn't because the cops did get here fast.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So fast. And I don't have anything like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Huh.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are you feeling scared at all or.

[Tamara Judge]

A little bit?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. To be honest with you, it's really. It was uncomfortable. But listen, what can you do? You can't live in fear. You just have to make sure that the next door, they can't get in even with a blowtorch.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It just people, you guys, you need to have your alarm system set up. You have to do It.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, here's the other thing. Do not post when you're not home. I don't care if it's a wedding. Wait till the next day when you're home. If you're on vacation, I know how hard it is. Do not post. It is a big mistake.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But, like, out here in California, it's crazy. I mean, when they came in. Tried to come into my house this year, I remember.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And that's scary. Rule of thumb is if they come in when you're home, they're going to hurt you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. So thankfully they didn't get in. The alarms got them too quickly. But, like, still, it's.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what else is a big deterrent? A big German shepherd or a big pit bull. Yeah, that'll do it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That'll do it. Spa. I'm so glad that you're okay. When I read that, I was like, oh, my gosh, my Dolores.

[Tamara Judge]

Aw, thank you, Teddy. Yeah, it was just shitty, you know? It's just shitty. You work really hard your whole life, and people just think they can come and take whatever they want from you, and it's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's just.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's scary and it's dangerous. So do not post when you're not home.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that's a good. That's a good. That's a good rule.

[Tamara Judge]

100%.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Anything else going on?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no, just the Miami reunion.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, just the Miami reunion. Just a little. Just a little touch of drama there.

[Commercial Announcer]

Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I don't. I'm. I don't know what to do. Like, I. I don't know. I didn't really like this part two. Did you?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I felt like it was a lot of. I just don't know where my head is after it. Like, I feel like I need to watch it again.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I watched it fresh waking up. Typically, I like to watch the things before we come on because I like to be really, like, into it, but I couldn't wait. And I watched it. When I woke up, I was laying in bed and I watched it. And. Yeah, I just. There's a few things that annoy me and we'll talk about it and I really don't know how I feel about it, and I. It's just kind of really shitty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I felt the whole thing was pretty shitty. So it starts out where Julia says she and Adriana slept together before Julia's friend engagement to Adriana.

[Tamara Judge]

First of all, the friend engagement's really fucking corny. And I always felt they were a little too handsy. For my taste, if I was married.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tamara Judge]

If I was Martina, she would not be allowed to be friends with Adriana back then. And that's how I felt about it back then. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I remember feeling the same way. Like, wow, this is intense.

[Tamara Judge]

It was intense. They were too touchy feely. I. I thought it was unnecessary. I don't even see toddlers acting like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, well, Julia says she only brought it up at the reunion because she was being mentally abused by Adriana. She felt muzzled and blackmailed by Adriana for four years. For four years. And kept with the same behaviors.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a long time to feel that way. So I guess she felt that when she became friends with Alexia and Marisol that this maybe was going to come out, because this is where I'm confused. I'm going to tell you where I'm confused. When they do a flashback and Adriana says, I'm going to break the fourth wall. Now, breaking the fourth wall means talking about something in production. Yeah. Doesn't it?

[Adriana]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's breaking the fourth wall. Meaning, like, now they break the fourth wall on these shows where it's kind of like somebody will talk to the camera or they'll threaten to quit or they'll do whatever that's breaking the fourth wall. Something that never show that.

[Tamara Judge]

That you have never happened. And I.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I think the people that watch like to see that. Yeah, I do like it, but they. They don't do it often, and they do it in extreme cases. However, what does that have to do with her threatening her to say, I'm going to talk about what happened between us or the Haitian mortician or the cop.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

The coffee maker. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It felt like. Okay, so Andy asked if they had sex in the Hamptons. Adriana says, I don't have a dick. They slept and kissed. No scissoring. Well, one. Everybody knows that, like, sex between women doesn't mean. Necessarily mean scissoring.

[Tamara Judge]

There's more than one way to have.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Sex using your fingers. There's. I mean, there's so many different ways. So when all the women were.

[Tamara Judge]

There's a lot of different ways.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And, like, making jokes of it.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna tell you, Teddy, that got under my skin. It was a very immature reaction that the most thing that they were caring about was the intimate details of the act. I was so turned off by that pun intended that these women are not taking into consideration there's not only a marriage now in place, but there are children in place.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, There always was children in place, but now there's a new, new family and a lot to deal with, and there's a lot going on in the house. And, you know, do you. Does anybody really want to know the raw details? How is it any of their business? The raw details of what happened between the two of them and why are they pushing that so hard? Like, fucking pushing it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And there's like, a bunch of kids sitting around there.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I mean. I'm not gonna lie. Would I have liked to see it? Yeah. If I. There was a video, I'd fucking watch it. But I don't think in that moment, if you were friends on either side, that you would want to know the intimate details. Lisa, you took it too far. But you. You weren't the worst. Alexia and Kiki, out of control with wanting to know. Out of control.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Adriana acting like she doesn't have a fingers or a tongue was also strange to me. I'm pretty sure you.

[Tamara Judge]

I think I have a theory behind why she said that, because she was. She couldn't deny it, really, but she wanted to downplay what it was, Right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's true.

[Tamara Judge]

I think, because she never saw it coming. She got totally blindsided by this big reveal, and she wanted to absolutely make light of it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So what do you think she was threatening. Remember at the episode when they were at her where she sang and it was like. I think the holiday party where there was the fake snow and stuff. Remember when she got upset and she's looking at Julia and she's like, well, I'm gonna. It seemed like she was threatening her. Do you think she was?

[Tamara Judge]

She was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you think she was threatening her about that?

[Tamara Judge]

I think more. I don't know. And I want to hear from. Well, that's certainly how Julia took it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And do you agree. Let me ask you, because I want to know this, because I don't know how I feel about this either. I'm. Do you agree with her saying, well, now I'm gonna say everything you confided in. In me during our friendship, I'm gonna say it now because you said this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, no, the mortician. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that, because Julia was saying what happened between the two of them.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then Adriana went for it, and then she brought up other information that she didn't need to share.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly. So. And you know, when she.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Clearly she was pissed.

[Tamara Judge]

She was pissed, of course. But that's, like, for me, that crosses a line with me. And that's something that we need to all take in consideration when we're on these shows that people do not respect the friendship you had once you. You guys get in a fight.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, they just don't.

[Tamara Judge]

And the other thing, Adriana, I understand that you were really beside yourself with this, and I get it. I do. I get it. Because you were very ashamed of it. I feel like. But you hurt Martina by that. We don't know that Martina didn't know about these other things you're speaking of. Julia didn't deny it. Give her that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But it seems like Julia has told her everything. But I'm also.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not sure about everything.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, maybe not everything, but Andy asked Julia if Martina knew that Julia was going to bring it up. And Julia said Martina cried when she told her, but Julia feels guilt, and that's why she could not have Adriana as a godmother. Well, no shit.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, yeah, but they were already. By the time these kids came around, they were already on the outs. It's a very. A godmother plays a very big role. If you pass away or something happens to you as a godmother, you are supposed to now step in as the mother. I mean, that's really the role. And to follow with whatever religion, that's a job. That's a really serious job. And I don't know that Adriana, at the time that the. They had these boys. And then. You know what, Adriana, take into the fact of the consideration that you guys did do something behind Martina's back, and it wasn't right. It wasn't right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It wasn't right. And also, it didn't happen. Not that this matters, but apparently happened more than once.

[Tamara Judge]

True.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I don't know, I just. The whole thing, the way it was talked about, the way it started, then Adriana says Julia was cheating on Martina with a Haitian mortician. She used to bring him to a motel and give him a cop, and she gave him a coffee machine as a gift. She brings up another lover who is a cop. Adriana says Julia is making her the bad guy because she said Julia is a serial cheater.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it sounds not good. It does sound like she. I mean, it sounds like. What's going on here?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, it sounds like, you know, maybe she might need a mortician because it feels like Martina may kill her after she watches this.

[Tamara Judge]

Julia, keep your dick in your pants, girl. Like, I don't know what to tell you, but the thing is, I just, like, I'm like, ah, Julia. Okay. To each his own. I'm not judging her for whatever. I feel bad she confided in Adriana like that. But, Adriana, if you love Martina, the word love should not be thrown around the way it is in this world. Yeah, you love Martina. You wanted to be the godmother of your children, but yet you're bringing up something right now. Even though you're hurt, you're hurting one person right now. Martina. Yeah, by bringing this up. Why? If you love this woman, why do you not care? See, I don't like that in this business either. A lot of people will hurt the spouse to get back at the person they're fighting with. I don't like that. There's enough to say about Julia.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's plenty to say about Julia. And that conversation could have been really about them and getting through, like, how it started, how it continued on, what made it stop. All of those things, like, those were the bigger picture conversations, not how the sexual act actually took place.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly, Teddy, exactly. That's what the questions the girls should have been asking.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But they weren't. They had. They weren't. I mean, Julia then tells. A lot happened backstage this episode too. Did you realize that?

[Tamara Judge]

I felt like Basquiat was just informed that he's going to have to get a new godmother because Julia is fired. Did anyone ask Boskia how he felt about this? The. That dog has to hear all day. Can you imagine? Basquiat needs a therapist by now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He has got to have a whole new thing.

[Tamara Judge]

It's just a lot like I want. Maybe the dog could come to Aunt Dolores for a while.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know what dogs.

[Tamara Judge]

Till things calm down. Poor Vaskia crying. Basquiat was crying.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, he also was so confused why he had to be at the reunion. He's like, I'm not getting paid to be here.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God, this is fucked up. This is.

[Adriana]

Wait, I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

This is. This is cuckoo land.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's beyond. So Julia tells Andy backstage that she also had a one night stand with Adriana at Alexis's Bachelorette at the Versace mansion. Adriana thinks Julia is rehearsing her answers in her dressing room. And so she goes into Julia's room and says she has kept Julia's secrets to the grave. Julia says Adriana said to her, if you are going to defend Marisol or Kiki, I will take you down with me.

[Tamara Judge]

Those are fighting words.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but I was a little bit. If you are going to defend Marisol or Kiki, I will take you down with me. Is she meaning because of their past fights, because of the birthday cake and because of. Because of the argument over the knees? I don't know. What is she talking? Defending in what way?

[Tamara Judge]

That there's a lot of threats here.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, for the record, we, you know, off the record or on the record? Definitely. These are questions I'd like to ask Adriana and they should be now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We need Adriana.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I could call her right now maybe, but she called me upset last week. She texted me. I've never spoke to her before.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

If there's anything as perfectly dramatic and totally engrossing as reality tv, it might be the procedural shows on primetime TV right now.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Each episode joins host and former Chicago cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci, and he's joined by the actors, producers and writers behind the epic One Chicago Universe.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Tamara Judge]

So Teddy, go ahead You're. You can ask her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, so something I was curious about. When you guys were at the party for the holiday party, and you were doing your threat, you did a couple threats. What did those threats have to do with? Did they have to do with what's coming this episode?

[Adriana]

Not at all. Not in a million years. That was about. Because, okay, this is the backstory. Julia, you know, was sabotaging, undermining me when it comes to my music. And I had asked her, I said, listen, you are affecting my storyline, which is my way to, you know, make my living. I'm a single woman that provide 100 for myself. I said, I gave you an opportunity. You're doing well. You have other storylines. You have Martina, you have the boys. Now you have other things to talk about. Can you just please leave the music for me? Because that's my thing. And in the show, we all have lanes, like we should. You know, you do this. You're the animal lover and married to a tennis champion, and he now adopted two boys. He has plenty of things to talk about. Can you just leave the music to me? Because I was the one that got her started with the opera thing. Anyway, it wasn't her idea. It was my idea when she left Martina fighting two cancers alone in New York and went to Paris to get a facelift. Because in Julia's life, everything has to be fun, and when things aren't fun anymore, to jump ship. So, you know, when I called her, she's laying in bed, and when Martina said, oh, she could be in the next pain if needed, she was in for a month of recovering for a full facelift. She wasn't going anywhere. Yeah, I called her and I said, what are we gonna do to celebrate Martina's victor over cancer? Because that's a big deal. And I gave her the idea of doing this concert and then gave my house, put my piano in the sun, practice with her show. It was all on me. It was me doing all that. It wasn't her. She came here, just showed up all glammed up with like a diva. I was still half my hair done, half my hair undone, running around. I paid for everything. Everything. The party planner, the. The food, everything. So she had her highest moment because of me while she's letting down her wife. Okay, so for her to. Then I. Why would I be blackmailing her if I'm giving her these opportunities? You know, it doesn't even make sense. But what I was gonna say, I was going to say those things that I'm telling you now. I'm saying it was my idea the whole opera thing was me, because I have that background in classical music. I've been doing classical piano since I'm 8 years old. You know, there was me giving you something on a silver platter with the intention to celebrate Martinez winning over cancer, and she made it all about herself.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So it had nothing to do with you guys having a physical?

[Adriana]

I would never do that. Because, first of all, it wasn't the way that she's putting there, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't like. There was no scissoring, by the way.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh. You know why? We're very angry that the girls insisted on knowing details about intimate details about this situation. That's not the questions. We're here for Adriana. And that is something if you want to keep to yourself, you absolutely should, for more than one reason.

[Adriana]

Appreciate your. Your. You know, you're. You're saying that, but the truth is, what she did was seduce me. Okay. Like, she tried to seduce me. Like she tried to seduce the entire cast at different moments.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So how did she try to seduce you?

[Adriana]

Well, by being, you know, both of us drunk and her feeding me vodka shots, and in the middle of the night, you know, coming with her little hands towards me, you know, so I'm drunk, and I kind of, like, let her do it, but I never touch her. I don't know how her private looks like. I don't want to know. You know, it's like if I were a lesbian, I would probably, you know, fly my flag and say, yes, I'm a lesbian, and support all the other lesbians. I've been an ally for, you know, the gay community for so many years. So I don't feel ashamed.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Well, I. I thought maybe that there was a part of you not ashamed in a bad way, but just. I don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But talking about you didn't want it out there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. It's not about ashamed of being a lesbian. No. No. That's something to be proud of, if that's what you are. But I feel like an intimate moment between you and her. So when you said you were going to break the fourth wall, you meant by saying you were the one that planned her whole singing thing?

[Adriana]

Yeah, it was all my idea, you know, what she wanted to do. I was going to break the fourth wall to say that she wanted to do. When I called her again, she's laying in Paris recovering from her full plastic surgery. Martinez, you know, fighting the battle alone in New York City. I told her. I said, julia, First, I told her not to do the plastic surgery and stay and support Martina. She got really angry at me. Like, you've seen her getting angry now. That's the real Julia. And she said, I have the right to do what I need to do. This was scheduled already. I was like, yeah, but it was scheduled before Martina got diagnosed with cancer. And she's like, oh, she's laying down anyway, and then what difference does it make if I'm around? She's gonna be laying down, so I'll be laying down too. Let's see whose face is gonna look worse. What?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, gosh. So. And then how is your relationship? So how long ago did. Did Julia tell Martina all this?

[Adriana]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, it's not the first time that Julia cheats on Martina.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we know that now.

[Adriana]

Yeah. I mean, you know, Martina left Julia back when they were in Paris, you know, and didn't. He didn't see her for four months. Julia had to grovel and back for her Martina to take her back because Martina colored cheating, you know?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

There's the. So. So, yeah. So this is something. Listen, I. I wish, especially when there's kids involved, I wish for everybody's relationship to be well and peaceful and have a family together. And I just. I don't want to see anything like that happen. But I do just want to know, like, when did you. You guys. Okay, you had that relationship? I'm not asking for the details, your sexual details, but when did the. When did it stop? Because is that something that just stops, or is that something that goes?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A conversation that said, like, we're going to stop this. This isn't right, or what happened.

[Adriana]

There was never an ongoing affair or ongoing physical. No, there was none of that. It happened that one night, you know, in the Hamptons, and then later, another time, like, we were at the Versace mansion, and they kept pairing us to sleep together because we're besties, right? Yeah. She made another advance at me, and then she made a third advance at me when we were in. In Spain. Now, this last cast trip.

[Tamara Judge]

So you've never initiated this? It was always her.

[Adriana]

No, she always, you know, was putting on her seduke seduction, you know, hat and coming around. Because when I look back now, looking at all this, I feel like she always used this, you know, seduction as a way to get things from people that she wants to get things from.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Adriana]

And obviously she was engaged nine times. You know, she's like a professional Seductress in that sense. How can you get engaged nine times, you know, if you're not, you know, an expert in seduction? And so I was just like somebody she wanted to seduce to make sure, you know, I brought her into the show, make sure that I taught her all the ropes. I kept giving, I kept coach, I kept coaching, I kept supporting her, you know, kept protecting her.

[Tamara Judge]

I feel like you were also vulnerable at times, too, Adriana. You were single, you were worried about your future, you were lonely. There's a lot of factors involved. I've. I've been watching this show for a while now, and there's a lot of times that I, you know, how you felt resonated with me at times when I was single and scared about how I would be handling my future, and. And I was a single mother supporting my children. You know what I mean? So, Yeah, I do. I did always feel bad for you for that. But how do you feel now? How do you feel about how people are gonna. What people will think after they watch this?

[Adriana]

I don't know. I. Listen, I'm trying to stay strong, you know, and just take this for what, you know, it's on her, not on me. Because if you're that desperate to stay on the show, that desperate that you're going to throw me under the bus, but more than me, you know, your own family. Your own family stability, like, what is the point of this?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Adriana]

Blackmailing her. Why does now.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's, I think, the biggest question.

[Adriana]

Why?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why now?

[Adriana]

There's a deflection from the aggression. Aggression to do. To Gertie and the fact that I did not, you know, side it with her, because I cannot, with my moral compass, side with somebody who just finished her last cancer surgery three months before I start shooting. She comes in, trying to get her life back together, and I lost a brother to cancer. I was next to his bed, you know, for the last month and a half. I saw.

[Tamara Judge]

Sorry for that.

[Adriana]

Thank you. But, you know, like, the hope that is in your eyes and in late. Day by day, you start to lose that hope and to have someone come and with all these strength that it takes. And that's why I'm so happy for you, Teddy, because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Thank you for you to beat this.

[Adriana]

And for the group to go out on her and to do that, and I couldn't. I couldn't. I could not morally be blindly supporting Julia because that, to me, is the lowest of the low. You just don't do that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And that was kind of downplayed. We didn't really get to see everybody. Yeah, we didn't get to see a lot of people supporting Gertie in this moment.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, we didn't. We didn't. And Gertie's viscerally hurt.

[Adriana]

You have to respect the people that come out of this alive and vibrant. It takes. Most people don't make it, and it takes so much fortitude, motion and mental, emotional, physical, to come on the other side and for you to trivialize that and then attack someone. Come on, where is. Where's your empathy? You know, like, where. Where's your humanity?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know, I just couldn't.

[Adriana]

And.

[Tamara Judge]

And then.

[Adriana]

Then I'm being punished because I didn't walk away on the mean girl conga line out of that event that night.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, Lisa didn't either. Stephanie didn't. Lisa didn't. No.

[Adriana]

But, you know, people are used to have me be the scapegoat and the punching bag. So everything lays on me. And I was like, I'm the easy target because they. I'm alone. I don't have a man, I don't have somebody. I don't have a support. So they feel, let's pick on Adriana because she's the easy one to pick on. Nobody's there to defend her, and she's, you know, reactive, you know, so. Because I gotta be. I gotta stand my own ground. So then it's uneasy, you know, like, easy for them to dismiss me or attack me or, you know, belittle me or, like, demean me, whatever, you know, like the whole thing, the marathon Alexa do all the time, the campaign, the propaganda, you know, and what is it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That you think they're doing the whole time? You think that everybody is doing their own version of producing the show the.

[Adriana]

Entire time, scheming and plotting the entire time?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, it's when two people are so close and they really stand together when they fight with someone and it's only one person on the other side. That's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Tamara Judge]

It's hard. It's hard. This. This business is not easy, Teddy, as you know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, no, this seems like an extremely difficult situation. Have you spoken to any of the women since the reunion?

[Adriana]

Yeah, I mean, I speak with Gertie, Lisa, Stephanie, you know, that's good.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, Stephanie seemed to have your back.

[Tamara Judge]

Stephanie seems to really have your back.

[Adriana]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And. And, you know, they. That's the thing. Like, Stephanie stood behind, even at Gertie to say, the night of the event, to say, I'm going to Find out for myself how I feel about this. I just got here. Nobody's going to tell me not to walk back in there.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then I have to ask just another question because, you know, there was a lot this season and I could feel like your energy, you didn't seem fully like yourself. Like you seemed a little down.

[Tamara Judge]

You were kind of out of it even on the cruise. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like you were just.

[Tamara Judge]

Was there stuff going on?

[Adriana]

Yeah, well, on the cruise, we just gotten back from Spain. It was intense. You know how, you know, filming, you know, a cast trips are. It's intense and with the jet lag and the time difference and you get there filming right away and go to sleep and all that stuff. And I was tired. And then I just realized on that trip how, you know, how much Julia was just under the spell of, you know, being friends with Marcel and, you know, just wanted so badly to get a table and I'll sit on the mean girls table. And that was just so, you know, elated by, by having now, you know, oh, they're my friends and they like me, you know, like ridiculous 12 year old mentality.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So you think she was kind of dangling that over you to try to hurt your feelings?

[Tamara Judge]

That was the sentiment for me.

[Adriana]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Adriana]

And I. So I was physically tired, I was emotionally hurt. And my birthday that I did not want to celebrate and I told her and many other people do, I'm not celebrating my birthday. That's a point of it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's filming. I mean, I don't know that the girl. That's the girl's decision. You know, production does push those things. So we have to always remember not to break the fourth wall. But if they know that if there's something that you don't like or you have a habit of being late, they're going to tell you to come late. Like there are certain things, right, Teddy?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, there's for sure. Certain things like that it's going to come around and it's going to bite everybody in the ass one way or the other. But we were just checking on you. We didn't. Yes. I think at some points you can definitely go low, too low. And I think sometimes that comes out of hurt. And I was just trying to get a little better feel on what was actually happening.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Where, where you stood, where you felt maybe that you wanted to be heard as well.

[Adriana]

And yes, I do cut deep sometimes, you know, when I'm so triggered and you know, so tired of this narrative that sometimes I explode and I go low. Can I Later. I'm sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you have any regrets from this season or this reunion?

[Adriana]

No. I mean, I would have been by Gertie, regardless of popular opinion. I refuse to be a mean girl like that when it's true. You know, life where you gotta give credit to people. Like I said, that to me is important because I lost my brother to brain tumor and I'm not gonna sit there and pile on somebody. No, I refuse to. So I have no regrets, you know, okay. This is who I am and what I believe in.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Adriana]

And.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Adriana]

Could I have a better. Better delivery sometimes, perhaps. But I try to stay true to myself, you know, what. In what's important to me, my core values.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, well, we definitely want to have you on and talk to you in person and do this the right way, but we just wanted to have a couple minutes just to. So you could share your thoughts. And thank you so much for joining us.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, thanks. Thank you, Adriana.

[Adriana]

Really, really happy for you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Teddy, thank you so much. And I'm so, so sorry about your brother. I'll be thinking about you.

[Adriana]

Thank you. And I'll send you all love and strength.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay. Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

We'll see you soon. You're welcome, Adrian. No problem. Thank you. Take care. Bye.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

If there's anything as perfectly dramatic and totally engrossing as reality tv, it might be the procedural shows on primetime TV right now.

[Commercial Announcer]

Specifically all of the shows from the One Chicago universe. If you're a fan of one of their shows, then there's a new podcast you'll want to check out called the One Chicago Podcast from USG Audio and Wolf Entertainment. When it comes to tv, there's something so satisfying about knowing how the sausage gets made. From cheeky production choices to plot lines and the reactions of the fan base, the One Chicago Podcast is all that and more. It's the official behind the scenes look at the iconic shows from the One Chicago Universe, Chicago pd, Chicago Med, and of course, Chicago Fire.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Each episode joins host and former Chicago Cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci, and he's joined by the actors, producers and writers behind the epic One Chicago Universe.

[Commercial Announcer]

To listen to the One Chicago Podcast, search for One Chicago Podcast on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's One Chicago Podcast.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm God smacked by this entire conversation.

[Tamara Judge]

It's raw. So but it's raw but also doesn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Here'S the problem with Adriana. Like yes, there are parts of what she's saying that I 100%, you know, believe and think that she's telling the truth. But she can also go so low. Like remember the things that she said to Marisol?

[Tamara Judge]

You know, everybody's talking about their delivery these days. My delivery. We're grown women. We're grown women. You There needs to be some self control on how we approach things Now I'm a person who has lost my self control. I'm not being a hypocrite, but I don't do it as a rule, like it happens sometimes when I'm pushed too far. But for the most part, I really do try to. I try to be aware of how I'm being and try to fix it or try to better it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not like every time I get in a fight, I go low. And that's the truth.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's just the truth. Yeah. But then Adriana says that she first met Julia. She told her how much she looks like Snow White and how good her boobs are. Julia invited Adriana to the bathroom to see her boobs. Then Julia showed her her butt. Adriana says Julia developed a crush right away. She says Julia petted her in the Hamptons and that Julia tried to sleep with her in Spain. I mean, first we have Erika Jane Pat in the puss, and now we've got Julia Pat in the puss.

[Tamara Judge]

I guess it's a trend. Should I pat my puss? Am I missing out on something?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But then what about how Adriana has a gift that she brings over?

[Tamara Judge]

I think she needs to retire the. The gifts, the antics. You know what I noticed? Stephanie has a lot of analogies. She uses the analogy as a Super bowl player who wants to wear a ring when he. And show off his ring when he wins the Super Bowl. The analogy of these show and tell. See, analogies don't go over well in New Jersey. She was doing okay with them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, she was doing. I thought she was doing well with the analogies.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Adriana]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I like to use analogies to explain things. I like me this. This episode. Me too. I did, you know, ding, ding, ding. Let the fireworks go. I liked her this episode, but then kind of getting through that after Adriana gives her heart and this feels like something a lover would do, she's like.

[Tamara Judge]

This is the deepest dagger of my heart when I wasn't a godmother. Again, I think it's very, you know, it's almost. It's performative, it's exaggerated. The way she explains things in a very, like, kind of like, over the top way. Not to say she doesn't feel like that, but coming from someone who doesn't talk about their feelings at all, that's a lot for me. Like, here, I'm gonna give you a heart in a box. In a box that it looks like my dog's ashes are in. You know, that you can't like, it's just A lot. For me, it's a lot. But you can't. That's the way she is. It's just the way she is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then Marisol's like, get that away from my feet.

[Tamara Judge]

Marisol. Because she thinks it's. It's got a curse on it or something.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, probably. Then, remember when they gave the crystals.

[Tamara Judge]

And Marisol and Alexia threw them out the door?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. They were like, no, thanks.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We're like, no, we're good. We'll pass.

[Tamara Judge]

We're Cuban. We know what shit happens. Like this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then Kiki opens up about her dad and how she has realized that the men she is dating show a pattern similar to her dad.

[Tamara Judge]

Who doesn't?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And then Kiki has now been celibate since March 2024, except for her vibrator.

[Tamara Judge]

In porn. I don't know if that counts. I don't know if it counts.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know if it counts.

[Tamara Judge]

Does it count if you still have an orgasm, even if it's your own, you do it to yourself. Because in the dressing room. Don't think it got by me. When she goes, yeah, I know what girls do. I watch porn. I see it in porn. Then why do you keep asking Kiki? Because you want to know. Because you're a hornbowl, too.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. You want to know all the details.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's so pretty. I like her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So do I. Then Andy brings up Stephanie's first reaction with Alexia. Her intention was to say that Alexia is fabulous and Todd sucks and she regrets it. Since Alexia gets sensitive, I thought her apology was good here.

[Tamara Judge]

It was. I think it was more of an explanation than an apology. And it was accountability. And I'll take that rather than a fake apology. Yeah. She explained the intention of the way she spoke. And for me, at this age and stage in my life, for me, it's all about intention.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, you could say something that's offensive. But I think I'm smart enough. I'm wise enough now to know whether or not you mean it in a bad way. So I'm not going to hold every single thing somebody says to me in a bad way. There's a lot of things I could have taken offensively that people have said about my relationship or my things. And I'm like, that person really cares about me that's saying it. And I don't think they mean anything by it. So I'm not going to get offended.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I think that. I think that's actually what happened.

[Tamara Judge]

But she didn't even know Alexia good enough to speak to her like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That is true. That is a good point.

[Tamara Judge]

If you're somebody's friend, you could speak to them. Alexia didn't know that girl from nothing. So don't talk to me about my shit. You don't know me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Also, I didn't know that was the pre lunch.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, the pre lunch.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The pre lunch where she got all the information. It's always the little flash.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't think pre lunches don't happen. I don't do them. Okay. I don't call the new girl and say, let's have lunch. I'm not a luncher. I'll get to know you when I get to know you. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then Adriana felt Alexia was threatened by Stephanie because she's younger. Gertie agrees that Alexia was intimidated by Stephanie. I don't think Alexia expected Stephanie to come in with such strong opinions and it caught her off guard. I don't think she's threatened.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Alexia has a very high opinion of herself. I don't think, even on her worst of days, which they are right now, that she would be intimidated. However, I did shock me because I would have went much harder after Stephanie and every single person on my cast if she spoke to us the way she spoke to these girls would have definitely take a different stance on it. They're definitely in the. In the. In the feeding part of the zoo.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, they're definitely like.

[Tamara Judge]

They're human. They were human about this. Like, Stephanie could have gotten, like, eviscerated. I don't care who you are. I don't care. So Joe Spa. Whatever it is, so Soho, whatever. I don't care. You're a boss. I don't care. If you would have come out, come at people in my cast the way you came after these girls, it would have been a very different outcome. I'm not being a tough girl. I'm not. It just would have been handled differently. And it kind of surprised me that, you know, Alexia didn't get crazy. And I'm glad. And I'm not saying I wanted to see that. I'm glad it was handled the way it was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I am, too. But then Andy asked Lisa what she meant when she told Larsa. The world knows who you are, Lisa says. Even Chat GPT knows. Then Stephanie reads the chat GPT of Larsa. Polarizing, image obsessed, while others see her a public personality who refuses to be boxed into a single narrative. Beyond that, her relationships are a roller coaster. Larsa loves this. She's fine with this. She's fine with her chat.

[Tamara Judge]

She was like totally fine with it. She agreed with ChatGPT. It is a roller coaster.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

They're not wrong.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then Larsa tells Lisa that she expected for Lisa to answer the phone during her breakup with Marcus. And then Andy brings up Larsa flagging while Lisa was traveling while her dad was sick. I can't believe we've gotten to the point of using Chat, GPT and a reunion, you know?

[Tamara Judge]

Do you use it? I don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't use it.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm trying not to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, I feel like I have to use my brain for at least a little bit that I do.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. And I don't want to. I don't want to get attached to. To. To it. I may succumb to it eventually. Like, I succumbed to filters. I was the last one to go for them because I. I don't like looking at myself without the filter because then I fuck it all fucked up. So I knew that would happen. So I really don't want to look at ChatGPT because I'm going to wind up going to it for everything and just like Instagram, just nonsense. So bullshit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But what I did get from the Lisa and the Lars of it all is that what Larsa was really upset about wasn't necessarily that she's continued to follow Marcus. It's that she couldn't get her to be her friend during that time. She needed her as a friend and couldn't really.

[Tamara Judge]

She's like, Lisa, all you needed to do was pick up the phone.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I was in the fetal. My family had to move in, kids were upset. I just needed you to pick up the phone. If that's the case, then I understand where she's coming from. And you know what? If it meant something. I know I'm not big on the follow unfollow people shit, but if. But when it comes to a boyfriend and girlfriend. If my girlfriend called me and said, unfollow the guy, I don't follow the guy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I didn't follow the guy too.

[Tamara Judge]

Truth.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, what an episode. Guys, we've got one more. One more.

[Tamara Judge]

The stress of it. Like, it's tight.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know I'm tight in my neck.

[Tamara Judge]

I need like a massage.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But we learned a lot and I. We're going to learn a lot more, I think on episode three.

[Tamara Judge]

But Teddy, don't you think this. I mean, you know, I know I. I haven't filmed in a long time like I filmed, but not to this extent, like with the cast and the intenses. It's very intense. It's very emotionally heavy and draining. This girl, she's in bits.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Adriana does not sound good.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She doesn't sound good.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. Does not sound good at all. Oh my gosh. Well, thanks you guys for tuning in to another episode of two T's in a podcast.

[Tamara Judge]

We did it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Thanks guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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