Mid-life Crisis Bracelets (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Mid-life Crisis Bracelets" (RHOP Recap)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Date: January 21, 2026
Episode Theme: A deep dive into the latest episode of Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), with plenty of Bravo-world tea, behind-the-scenes insights, and unfiltered reactions to recent Housewives news. Teddi and Tamra recap the Potomac Aspen trip, weigh in on cast drama, and reflect on housewives etiquette, loyalty, and midlife crises.

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Main Episode Overview

This episode features Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge recapping the most recent RHOP episode, focusing on the Aspen trip, shifting alliances, and the ongoing tension between Angel and Giselle. The Two Ts also react to news from other Bravo universes, including the Amanda-Kyle breakup, Lisa Barlow and Ben Affleck's "who-are-you?" moment, and behind-the-scenes discussions about Housewives behavior. The tone is classic Two Ts: playful, gossipy, and rooted in first-hand Bravo knowledge.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Characterizing the Aspen RHOP Trip

• Segment Starts: [23:49]

• Focus: The contentious private jet ride to Aspen, Angel's role as trip organizer, and production vs. cast drama.

  • Private Jet Realness: Tamra and Teddi discuss how private jets on Housewives are often paid by cast members, sometimes as collaborations, rarely by production. ("Production's not going to pay for that." – Tamra, [24:28])
  • Angel's attempts to apologize to Giselle for the trip issues are shut down. Giselle is seen as targeting Angel, with Stacy unexpectedly piling on. Teddi finds it unfair, saying, "I see that she was getting pounced on. Angel was getting pounced on pretty bad." ([26:01])
  • Both agree Angel is taking too much blame for problems beyond her control, like water issues at the house: "They're punishing Angel for something that's out of her control." (Tamra, [25:27])

2. Housewives Etiquette and Loyalty

• Segment Starts: [05:04], [07:24]
• Housewives code is debated after Giselle deflects blame onto Robin for controversial podcast comments ("I've never done that to a friend...here in New Jersey, that's a big fat no. No." – Teddi, [05:07]).
• The importance of owning your statements is underlined: "If somebody accuses you of saying something that is able to be found, it's probably true. You probably did say it." (Teddi, [08:02])

3. Amanda and Kyle's Split – A Bravo News Detour

• Segment Starts: [08:50]
• Amanda and Kyle's breakup is discussed with empathy, noting it's been "buzzing" since BravoCon ([08:58]). Teddi points out, "It was almost like a high school relationship to me in the summer house," ([15:25]) while Tamra wishes them both well but notes "I think there are people for them that are more of a match." ([16:06])

4. The Lisa Barlow & Ben Affleck Story

• Segment Starts: [17:21]
• The "did they/didn't they meet?" confusion between Lisa Barlow and Ben Affleck leads to musings about Bravo personalities embellishing celebrity run-ins. Tamra laughs, "She talks about him like they're best friends. They're not, but that's OK. It's just another Lisa Barlow-ism." ([19:19])

5. Bravo Family Dynamics – Brittney Bateman’s Daughter Speaks

• Segment Starts: [19:39]
• The strained mother-daughter dynamic between Brittney and Olivia is dissected, including a dramatic BravoCon fight. Teddi empathizes, "If your daughter is complaining that you choose guys over her and you have a strained relationship because of it...don't scream back at her. Maybe just let it get off her chest." ([20:07])

6. ‘Recycled’ Reality Stars, Housewives Rivalries, and Credit for Ideas

• Segment Starts: [05:31], [21:26]
• Quad's on-air confrontation of Giselle for comments about "recycling" reality stars, including the move of Basketball Wives alum to Married to Medicine, has Tamra cackling at the "receipts" Instagram sleuths find: "There's a clip from a podcast showing Giselle saying, you know, they're rented and recycling now." ([05:43])
• Quick dive into Bethenny Frankel's claim she originated the “dual RV road trip” concept, with Tamra scoffing, "I don't know why she feels a need. Why does she feel the need?" ([22:14])

7. Actual Housewives Recap—Who Thrives, Who Struggles?

• Segment Starts: [23:49], [32:47]
• Angel is viewed as not tough enough for Housewives: "I don't want her on the show, not for her...Stay with fly fishing. This is the wrong part of the zoo, sis." (Teddi, [34:10])
• Tamra and Teddi question why Giselle is going so hard on certain cast members, speculating she's trying to make the season dramatic: "She’s really throwing herself on a grenade...to make sure we have a good season." (Tamra, [28:19])

8. Midlife Crisis Bracelets: Mauricio, Housewives “Girl Code,” and More

• Segment Starts: [43:04]
• The cast rib Mauricio's new bracelets, calling them "midlife crisis bracelets," and riffing on classic cheating-guy style evolutions ("Back in my day when a guy started cheating, he'd grow a goatee and wear cologne." Teddi, [47:13])
• The ladies debate whether it's off-limits for a Housewife to flirt with another’s ex (Mauricio), and whether there's any “girl code” left: "He's all. He's off limits to another housewife. That just would not be." (Tamra, [44:35])

9. Predictions, Reunions, and Who Should Return?

• Segment Starts: [49:10]
• Teddi and Tamra doubt Angel will return next season unless she steps up at the reunion: "I really hope that Angel comes to the reunion 100% prepared because…if she doesn't, then she shouldn't be on the show." (Tamra, [49:10])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On owning your words:
  "If somebody accuses you of saying something that is able to be found, it's probably true. You probably did say it."
  — Teddi [08:02]

• On Housewives drama reality:
  "They're punishing Angel for something that's out of her control."
  — Tamra [25:27]

• On Angel's struggles on RHOP:
  "I don't want her on the show. Not for her. It's gonna hurt her long term, like, emotionally."
  — Teddi [33:01]

• On Housewives style transitions:
  "His midlife crisis bracelets...back in my day when a guy started cheating, he'd grow a goatee and wear cologne."
  — Teddi [47:13]

• On Housewives loyalty:
  "I've never done that to a friend...here in New Jersey, that's a big fat no. No."
  — Teddi [05:07]

• On production secrets:
  "Production's not going to pay for that. It could be a collaboration."
  — Tamra [24:28]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• TV talk, life update, recommendations: [02:35 - 04:34]
• Watch What Happens Live/Quad vs. Giselle: [04:38 - 08:49]
• Amanda & Kyle split discussion: [08:50 - 16:39]
• Lisa Barlow and Ben Affleck: [17:03 - 19:39]
• Brittany Bateman & Olivia BravoCon drama: [19:39 - 21:26]
• Production and trip logistics (Aspen): [23:49 - 32:14]
• Angel’s arc and Housewife suitability: [32:47 - 34:10]
• Shopping at Kimosabi, Mauricio’s arrival, girl code: [39:08 - 47:30]
• Predictions and reunion readiness: [49:10 - 50:45]

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The Two Ts' Tone

Warm, unserious, and unfiltered, Teddi and Tamra are honest about what works and what doesn’t in the world of Housewives—and don’t hesitate to call out what’s "just for the cameras" vs. what’s real emotion and connection. Their banter is full of Bravo insider knowledge, passed-on grievances, and genuine concern for women navigating the realities of public breakups, friendship betrayals, and the sometimes cutthroat demands of being a Real Housewife.

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If you missed the episode, this recap will have you in the know for all the latest Potomac developments, cast dynamics, and juiciest Bravo rumors—midlife crisis bracelets and all.

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Two Teas in a Pod with Teddi

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Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

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Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of two T's and Pods. Myself and Dolores, I am dragging ass today.

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Girl, you are working.

[B]

I was out till midnight last night. Nice. You know this girl's in bed by 8, 9. I was asleep by 9. I'm in bed by 8 and I love that. And now that Landman is over, I finished watching the season finale was better than, I think, the whole season. I felt like they lost me a little bit this season. It wasn't good as first season. I still. I still love it. But the season finale was so good.

[A]

It was so good, and I just loved the whole season. I loved it. I need to Now. What's the next girl to dance with? As they say, what's the next show to watch?

[B]

I don't know. That's.

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I'm.

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That's what I'm like, damn. Because that's. I love to watch TV for one hour at night and fall asleep. And if I don't, then Eddie puts on some history channel about how they make toothbrushes. He. He loves all these, like, history stuff and how to make stuff. And I'm like, oh, how dare him?

[A]

How dare. So boring. So I'm looking for. I'm open to suggestions. Anybody wants to let us know.

[B]

Yeah. Did you see. Did you go see Housemaids? Did we talk about that?

[A]

No, Margaret said it was great. It was the premiere. I was away for the premiere.

[B]

That's right. That's right. You were supposed to be at the premiere.

[A]

But I heard it was really good.

[B]

You have to go see that, or you just wait until it comes out?

[A]

No, I. We could buy, like. Can't you buy it or something? We have a theater downstairs that Paul never wants to go in because the couch is too comfortable. Can you imagine?

[B]

No, that sounds ass backwards. You'd want to be down there because it is comfortable.

[A]

We have the cloud couch. And he's like, I can't watch a movie down there. I'll fall asleep.

[B]

Oh, my. I always fall asleep watching movies. But I was wide awake on this one. It was good.

[A]

Really. So I'm gonna. Maybe I'll watch it. I don't know. Watch, say.

[B]

Yeah. So. Well, we got a lot to talk about.

[A]

We have so much to talk about. Did you watch what Happens Live? Did you watch?

[B]

I did not watch it, but I did see the clip. I did see it. Ms. Giselle, you got yourself in trouble.

[A]

She's in trouble, but so quad. Quad calls out Giselle on Watch what Happens live. Giselle. Never seen it coming.

[B]

Oh, Giselle. You stepped in your own shit right there. But she denied it.

[A]

Well, she put. Didn't deny it. She put it on Robin.

[B]

That's right. That's right.

[A]

She said. I didn't say it. Robin said it. Now, I have never done that to a friend. Like, I guess that's okay for them. I think Robin would probably do the same thing. Robin's very honest and open, and here in New Jersey, that's a big fat no. No.

[B]

Well, yeah. Yeah. So what were they fighting over? Something about recycling reality stars. Quad said that

[A]

she said it on

[B]

her podcast with Robin, and she did not see it coming, like you said. And she was like, what? Huh? No. Oh, that was Robin.

[A]

And then, of course, meanwhile, you know,

[B]

well, meanwhile, the Instagram grammars are working overtime trying to find that clip. And sure enough, there's a clip from a podcast showing Giselle saying, you, they are rented and recycling now. So there they were, recycling, because she was saying, like, there's a basketball wife star that's now on Married to Medicine. Whatever. Once you get a. Wow.

[A]

She was really mad at her Tamra.

[B]

She was really mad.

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See a lot of the girls sooner.

[B]

I know, I know, right?

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Damn, girl. But I think Quad was, like, saying, our show has done better than yours, so you need to go check that you went far.

[B]

Not. She said her ratings are better than Potomac and Salt Lake City. She.

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Which I didn't know, but I'm sure if she's saying it's true. So I had not known that. I didn't know that Married to Medicine had such a big fan base and that the ratings had done so well,

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which I'm glad for that long time. Been around a long time. Since 2013.

[A]

That's a long time.

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That's a long time for a reality show. It really is.

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But, you know, I mean, I guess because we're in the housewives world, we hear more about housewives than Married to Medicine. Like, their drama doesn't typically come up unless I'm not seeing it. I don't know.

[B]

I don't think what Giselle said and how she said it was that bad. I don't know why Quad got mad about that. Because she's basically saying, like, this girl's coming from this show, and this one's going to that show, and they're just recycling reality stars, which they tend to do.

[A]

What's worse than her saying it to her is the fact that she denied it and actually said it, and then people are posting it. That's what it is. On top of that, like, I think what's worse. Worse is she blamed her friend for it. Her best friend in the whole entire world.

[B]

Sweet Robin. I love Robin.

[A]

Little Robin under the bus. I wonder what Robin said to her, because I know I would have got

[B]

a call, like, if. If I was at Watch what Happens Live, and somebody said something to me about what I said on a podcast, I would never remember if I said it or not.

[A]

I know. Me too. I would be like.

[B]

I'd be like, oh, did I? Okay. Because I.

[A]

Are you sure? But here's the thing. If somebody accuses you of saying something that is able to be found, it's probably true. You probably did say it. Yeah, right. Like if somebody's saying. On your podcast, you said. It would be really, like, a far stretch for somebody to say that if it wasn't true. Because it's easily proven. Right. So. So. So I'm gonna take this as a very big, fat fucking lesson that if somebody accuses me of saying something on this podcast, I'm gonna either apologize for it if that's how I feel, or say I'm sorry before I say I didn't say it. Yep. How's that? Because you.

[B]

I don't know if you said it or not.

[A]

An idea, Tamara.

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It's like almost filming Housewives. You forget what you say. And of course, there's always that flashback, so you have to be careful.

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Yeah.

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Well, moving on. Amanda and Kyle have finally announced that they have. They have separated. Now, people have been talking about this for.

[A]

Since BravoCon.

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Since BravoCon. And I will say I saw Amanda at BravoCon, but I did not see Kyle. I didn't see them together.

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I didn't see them together. There were pictures of them together. Because I looked.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't see them together. I saw them, but I didn't see them together.

[A]

Did you see pictures of them together?

[B]

I don't think so.

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So there was at one point, there was a rumor that she had gotten a new house. Right. It was. It was the buzz.

[B]

Yeah.

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And then she posted, this is my cute little house. And it was like a dog house or something. She got in it. Something I would love to have for myself. So she was kind of playing around with it. I don't blame them for keeping it quiet until they were sure it was actually something. Because, listen, in our lives, like, you know, you've broken up with people, and there. There's always a chance you could get back with that person. Do you really want to go public with that if you're getting back a week later? Because then it's just worse.

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Yeah. Listen, we have to. It doesn't mean it's going to work, but I have to say, bad for them.

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They've been.

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I feel bad. To me, they're kids. They're both very right. They've both been always adorable.

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I think Kyle's more of a kid than she is.

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Well, girls always kind of like, go out of each other sometimes, right?

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Yeah.

[A]

And they've been through their. It was almost like a high school relationship to me in the summer house. Lives over there. And then I. And then, like, I always remind myself, he's in his 40s, you know, but always a sweet guy, always nice. And I've. I've liked how Paige has ripped him 10 million assholes. And he would sit there and Take it. Yeah. And there were times where he'd go over to Lindsay when she was upset over Jesse, and he would, like, I remember all these things, like. And he would be like, poo, pooing. Like, he's like, are you okay? So I hate to see this for them, but I think that there are people for them that are more of a match.

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Yeah. Yeah. We wish them well.

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And, you know, she was going through a lot. He wanted kids. And she's like, I'm just getting through my anxiety.

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Yeah.

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And remember that I give her a lot of credit for, you know, being smart about that and waiting. Waiting for the right time because we see so many.

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Well, we're gonna see play out on Summer House. I would imagine.

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This is gonna. This should be a good season.

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Yeah.

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Bringing, you know, a child into a relationship that's rocky or if you're not, like, stable and you got to find yourself, it's just not always the right time.

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Right.

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And she was. She. She was self aware of that. And I wish them the best. And I hate to see anyone break up. I hate it. I hate change. I hate it. So wait, what if one of them start dating and they bring the other one to the house? What now?

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That's going to be another great season. Just bring it coming. Keep it coming.

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No, I feel bad, though. I do feel bad. And about the Beckham story, too.

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Oh, my God. That's just. That's a story about a wife that's a whole episode and a mother that doesn't like each other. That's hard. What is. What's your thoughts about Lisa Barlow? She reacts after Ben Affleck admits he doesn't remember meeting her, so.

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And he was very sweet about it. So I was watching it and the girl asked him and he was there with. What was it Matt Damon? Was it?

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Yeah, I think so. He was being interviewed with Matt Damon.

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He was being interviewed. And they seem like such cool guys, right? I do. I like them better. I know. I like to see the guys hang around with each other more than I like to see them with their significant others. Is that weird for me? I don't know. But I think they're cooler when they're with the guys. Right. Because when he was with JLo, he always had a mopey face on. I never saw them as a match, really. But anyway, so he was being so nice about it. Well, think about it.

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It was just, what, year ago that we. They. The whole thing with the Mormon wives where the girl says they're related and all that stuff went down, and now Lisa Barlow is talking about him. I don't. Lisa didn't lie. I think Lisa throws these parties, and they had one for the accountant too, which he was in.

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They, you know, SXSW is South by Southwest, which is a film festival, and they did think that Ben Affleck did say, was it like, no. Matt Damon goes, maybe it was like one of the film festivals. Sundance. Yeah. Yeah.

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He's like, no, I haven't been there for 10 years.

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But that picture at the reunion looked like it was 10 years old, by the way. Lisa Barlow, I just think she's great. I really. Sorry. She's. She's amazing, and she's a good friend, and she's been very good to me. So I got Lisa Barlow back. Just.

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Yeah. So, yeah. So she writes this comment and just basically was like, we're at Ben's action thriller premiere in March, and it was a great movie, great party. Like, she's just, like, blowing it off. So basically she better just. She has these parties. He's there. It doesn't mean they're rubbing elbows. But he's. He's in the house, right?

[A]

Yeah, but she talks to him by a first name basis. She, like, she talks about him like, oh, yeah. Ben like, oh, yeah. So Tamara, me, like, she talks about him like, they're talking like they're best friends.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

They're not, but that's okay. It's just another Lisa Barlow ism thing that we get to talk about and laugh about that. That's all it is. It's no harm, no foul, no nothing.

[B]

So, speaking of harm and foul, Brittany Bateman's daughter, Olivia, speaks out on a relationship with her mom on Positively Uncensored. Olivia says her and her mom have an okay relationship. They had a major fight at Bravo Con because it was supposed to be a girls trip and Jared showed up. I just don't. What are you doing? Why are you doing this? You know, you have this trip, you have this great scene with your daughter.

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Shame on Jared. Shame on Jared. I, I, I blame. What I blame for her. I pity her. I don't judge her. I pity her because someday this is gonna, this is gonna hurt.

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But I, I, Unless pisses me off, because if your daughter is complaining that you choose guys over her and you have a strained relationship because of it, and then you have a mother, daughter, you know, weekend at BravoCon, and you bring your guy.

[A]

She said it was the first time in years and she thought that they weren't coming. They got Into a fight ensued. She thinks like the hotel next to them even heard it. There was so much screaming. I thought to myself, even then, let your daughter scream at you. Let her vent. You're wrong. I let my friends vent that I don't even like to me when I'm right. Because when you care about somebody, you don't have to like someone to care about them. But you let them vent on you. Right? And in this case, it was warranted. Don't scream back at her. Maybe just let it get her off her chest. Because you're wrong. If this, if, if in fact she planned this party, she. I mean, this trip, this girl's trip, you and her, she was looking forward to it. In her head, it was going to happen. And why is Jared showing up? Because Jared is controlling.

[B]

Yeah, well, Brittany, Brittany. Bethany Frankel is back at it on TikTok. She said she originally pitch the concept of a dual RV trip with Nene Leaks. Taste of Reality posted. Bethany says she pitched it to Matt Anderson, who's an executive producer on Miami, Atlanta and New York. A road trip show for her and Nene. Now of course she's saying, well, I'm not saying they stole my idea. Then why are you bringing this up, by the way? Me and Vicki shot a little sizzle, I guess you would call it, for. For the same concept after we got fired, me and Vicki in rv, going to different places and.

[A]

Well, look at. Sounds like a crappy lake thing, you know?

[B]

Exactly. I don't know why she feels a need. Why does she feel the need?

[A]

Nini and Kim also had this concept in development. She, you know, she likes to get the credit for things. Yes. I don't. I don't know. I don't want. No, I don't want no credit. I don't want to know nothing. I just want to sit here. I love my podcast. Okay. I love talking to you. I'm gonna, you know, I'm just hoping no one is ever mad at me for what I say. I talk about what I see and I'm very nice. Don't get me mad and get mad at me, because I'll get mad at you and then I'm really gonna talk. So.

[B]

I love seeing mad, Dolores. God, I love it.

[A]

Oh, I've been mad.

[B]

I know. I remember. I remember that one scene with you and Margaret.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I'm on edge lately. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not good.

[B]

That's how I am.

[A]

Calling my doctor today. I need my blood work done.

[B]

I'm tired Everybody's irritating the out of you.

[A]

I'm getting irritated. I'm in a bad mood and I feel you. I'm really trying to get a hold of that. I can't break 140 pounds no matter what I do. I'm getting pissed off about that.

[B]

And did you go back on a shot?

[A]

I did. I did.

[B]

Wait. And it's not working.

[A]

Well, no, it is. It isn't it. I'm not overeating. I have a thyroid issue. I think my thyroid's off by my symptoms of being in bed at 8 o' clock like you. But I'm not in bed at 8 o' clock because that's what I like to do. I'm in bed at 8 because I can't keep my eyes open and I feel like my thyroid's off. So I need to get to the bottom today.

[B]

Okay, you get it, girl. Let's get into pomic now. This is episode 15. They're coming to an end. And you know, thanks to angel, there is a private jet taking them to Aspen which cost eight fifty dollars an hour.

[A]

So if you have a bunch of people on there, you can use that thing if you're shipping in.

[B]

Okay, first of all, production didn't pay for it. Angel paid for it.

[A]

How did she know?

[B]

Because we like when we went on a private jet on our show. Heather paid for it.

[A]

That doesn't mean angel paid for it.

[B]

Production's not going to pay for that.

[A]

It could be a collaboration.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Maybe they posted the name.

[B]

Oh, did you?

[A]

They posted the name.

[B]

It might be a trade up, might

[A]

be a trade out. And I saw it, but I'm confused about the house and I want to talk about that.

[B]

Well, angel tried to apologize and Giselle was not having it too late. Too late, Too late.

[A]

Why does Giselle dislike her so much?

[B]

I don't know. And I need to doesn't like her because I know Giselle. And the Giselle I know is not going to have these feelings for no reason. There's something we don't know. What is it?

[A]

Well, can you ask her?

[B]

Yes, I'll call her today and ask her.

[A]

Can you please? And then get back to me on that.

[B]

It just doesn't make any sense why they are.

[A]

I will.

[B]

They're punishing angel for something that's out of her control. Stacy, how happy is she? She is.

[A]

So somebody else is getting the right. She's like so happy. It's not her, but she's jumping on that bandwagon.

[B]

She is that. Which totally surprises me that she's going to jump on the let's beat up angel bandwagon.

[A]

You know what, Stacy? I'll never stick up for you again, ever. In your entire lifespan of this. Of your whole career, will I ever stick up for you again. I will not go. Because I. I see that she was getting pounced on. Angel was getting pounced on pretty bad.

[B]

And.

[A]

And you know what that feels like. And you jumped on it. You know who didn't jump on that? Monique.

[B]

No, she didn't. She did not. Or Kay didn't either. Right?

[A]

Kay tried. I think everybody was afraid of Giselle.

[B]

Do you think that Giselle thinks maybe angel is just on the show to promote her business? And she's like, nope, I'm not having it. Either you're all in, or I'm going to take it all away from you. Because Giselle's like. She doesn't want them to stay and go do Angel's business.

[A]

Who doesn't fly fishing business on the show, by the way?

[B]

Nobody asked me to go fly fishing. Please. I don't want to go fly fishing on.

[A]

The water's cold and I'm not putting on waders. No.

[B]

I don't know. No, it's too boring.

[A]

Don't ask me to fish at all. You know, people with ADD really do well fishing, and I don't know how that is.

[B]

Then why aren't we doing it? Do you know what I like to do?

[A]

I want to know.

[B]

Paint the walls. I love painting the walls.

[A]

What's the difference between that and fishing?

[B]

Probably nothing. But, like, I could do it all day long, just paint.

[A]

Come over.

[B]

Because I painted and picked everyone. I put wallpaper up.

[A]

You know how to put wallpaper up? I do it all. Some things I want to redecorate. You have nice taste. So. So they're on this private plane, which was like a bloodbath. An absolute hostile takedown. What the heck is going on? That was vicious.

[B]

Okay, hear me out. Do you think Giselle is leaning in really hard with Stacy? First it was Stacy, now it's angel because she's like, these girls aren't working. I have to do everything in my power, and if that means make everybody hate me because I'm being nasty on the show, so be it. I'm going to make sure we have a good season.

[A]

Well, she's taking it. She's, like, throwing herself on the sword.

[B]

This is like she's really throwing herself on the.

[A]

On a grenade. She's throwing herself on a grenade because. Is she getting A lot of shit for it on social media.

[B]

Just curious, I would imagine. Yes.

[A]

I don't know how angel didn't cry or go nuts. She was like, okay, let me talk. This girl's not, I don't think she's cut out for this. Because who can handle that? Who can in their right mind handle being berated like that while they're trying to apologize? And then Karna steps in and goes, I guess I should have called. I ain't calling some grown ass adult. You're not in harm's way. You couldn't wipe your ass, so figure it out. Go down to the lake, I don't know. Or leave. Yeah, I bring white bees everywhere with

[B]

me anyway, so they were just giving her a hard time over something that she has zero control over. It's not her fault. She didn't rent this place. Production rent at this place and having, not having running water. I mean, she has no control with it.

[A]

Like, wait, did they have a talk before they had this way? Because Tia said when I woke up, she was, I think she did rent it. Otherwise everybody should be getting a, an award. They should be getting an award. If this is not the truth, if this is all a big put on, then they are in the wrong business in reality tv, they need to move over to scripted. Because Tia said, I think she did rent the house. I'm sure she didn't pay for it, but maybe she chose it, right? And then t is like I woke up to her crying and she was trying to fix all this. And you know, I, I, I was worried about her. Rather than call you guys, I should have called you guys. The phone works both ways, right? Like, I don't get, I don't get why, because we heard the water wasn't working, that we had to call these people to see if they were still alive. I'm just saying.

[B]

I know, it's like housewife problems, right? Housewife problems.

[A]

Well, okay. Well, I mean, angel hell bent on. You should have called me. You should have called me. I, she goes, I was.

[B]

What difference does it make? What difference would it make if she called?

[A]

I'm going with, she picked the house. I'm not talking about breaking the third wall here, right? She picked the house. She's embarrassed. She's afraid to call. She knows she's in hostile territory on a fucking good day. And now she's thinking about you guys not being able to flush the toilet or brush your teeth. I ain't calling. I don't want to call.

[B]

I don't want to mention, when you're on these trips, you film with these people all day long. And then you go back to. The only time you're in your hotel room or house or whatever is when, you know, unless you're filming a big scene at the house, is when you are done. When I lay my head on the pillow. Last thing I'm going to do is call one of the housewives and be like, my water's not running. You're an asshole. No, I mean, Giselle did the right thing. Like, let's get out of here. Let's go.

[A]

That's it. Yeah.

[B]

I'll get the Four Seasons. But let me just ask you this. How, within hours does she get it approved to go to the Four Seasons and sign over all the release forms and film at the restaurant the next day? How does that happen?

[A]

I don't think it's hard to get things approved, you know, but I think

[B]

if it's like I filmed it.

[A]

If it's a set, like you're saying. If it's a setup.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Listen, I'm gonna watch them. I'm watching the movie, and I don't want to see the bts. Yeah. Okay. So I'm just watching the movie. Tamara, you okay? I don't want to see the green screen, you know, I don't want to see the fake water. I don't want to see the producer, Leonardo DiCaprio, like the Titanic, because it just ruins it for me. I don't want to say it, like, when they show the. How the making of the Titanic. I don't want to see the making of this episode. I wanted to. I want the villains to be the villains. I want the mess to be the mess. And that's where we're at.

[B]

Did you feel bad for angel when she started crying?

[A]

Yes. I don't know how she.

[B]

On the TV screen, like. And give her a hug. Like, I felt so bad for her.

[A]

I don't want her on to be on the show. Not for her. It's.

[B]

It's going to hurt her long term, like, emotionally.

[A]

I don't want her on the show. I don't think it's good for her. I don't know why she's trying. This is not going to work. She needs to leave and go to another school.

[B]

Curious how the reunion is going to play out.

[A]

Well, here's why. I don't think it's for her because she's not reacting. There's one person that can get away with being abused and get away with it because we think it's funny and we actually side with her. Stacey, Stacey, this is not entertaining to watch. It's painful to watch because she's trying so hard to be their friend. So when she does cry and she's like, you know, why are they treating me like this? You know, because back in the day, Monique went after people.

[B]

Yeah, I saw flashbacks. I saw this because I don't, I don't think I watched way back then.

[A]

Right. So, yeah, this is, it's not for her. I just, I. I'm going with. It's not for her. Stay to the. Stay with fly fishing. Yeah, this, this is the wrong part of the zoo, sis.

[B]

Yeah, she's too chill probably for it. She needs to hang out in Colorado and just fly fish and do her

[A]

business there in the nice peaceful wilderness.

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[A]

I'm tired of it. I was tired of it along.

[B]

It's like in every scene there's always a reference.

[A]

I get cringe against cringe. But that's like a big part of her life. I mean, can she bottle that libido and hand it out to all of.

[B]

Maybe that's why her and her ex had that wild sex life.

[A]

They had a Wild, wild sex life in that she liked.

[B]

Talks about it all the time.

[A]

I missed it when they broke up because she was juicy.

[B]

It's dead. I'm like, oh, God. But she goes behind the bar at Kimosabi. Kimosabi should have its own show by now.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, they're in that somebody posted. I don't know if it actually showed on screen, but remember when they were on Beverly Hills and they had, like, Kendall's tequila and then Kathy's or something like that? I don't know if it was still up there, but I thought that was funny, the reference.

[A]

Well, we should go film making Sabi, me and you.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

I'll get to the. I'll go to the Aspen cold place. I can't believe my daughter's going there next month. Okay. Anyway, I have to talk to her about that nonsense, so.

[B]

You know what annoyed me is when they all bought something and then they stood around and talked about what they bought and how much they paid for it.

[A]

I know, but did you see on the after show, angel said she says stupid stuff, too. She said that Kimo Sabi respects her more because she spent more money there than the Beverly Hills housewives.

[B]

Oh, I don't know if I'm buying that. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what she buys there, but I don't think it has anything to do with respect.

[A]

Here's the thing with Angel. There's some people that could say things and get away with it, and there's some people that can't. And I don't think that she's got the swag to get away with saying something like that.

[B]

Well, did, right? So then they go to Stacy and, you know, Giselle gives her the punch in the gut and was like, there's no keychains here for you, or something like that. And then Stacy's like, I might not be rich, but she makes up for it in the entertainment department, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Don't get carried away with yourself there.

[B]

Like, I'm not rich. Like, so I can't buy anything. I'm like, you're rich in the entertainment department, girl. You know what you're doing?

[A]

You're good tv. You are not fooling us, Stacy. We are not fooled. Listen, Stacy, you're Detroit. You're not fooling me. I saw you go up against Cookie. You didn't back down.

[B]

So she's got it in her.

[A]

You could try to fool some other people, but when that girl was gonna punch you in your Teeth. You were going. Going at her and you weren't afraid to get hit. That shows me you're somebody who's got a little bit of spunk in them.

[B]

Absolutely. And I'm just can't wait for it to come out. I cannot wait.

[A]

Oh, you know, the truth always comes out. The dirty laundry always comes out in the wash. They see. And I'm looking forward to it.

[B]

Monique didn't buy anything either. And Giselle said, oh, this is a new Monique.

[A]

Well, lifestyles change also. Priorities change, and things change that you. You like and you don't like. And. Yeah, it's more things that are important.

[B]

It's a very. I don't even niche store. Like, if you want turquoise and a cowboy hat, then go for it. But not everybody does. Like, so it's not like, oh, well, I bought a bolo tie with. Fuck you were that.

[A]

That's what I mean. That, you know, no reason to buy for no reason. But a lot of times we do buy these things too, because of part of the filming. Yeah.

[B]

Back in the day, we used to get credit at the stores, like the.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

We don't get that anymore.

[A]

No.

[B]

Those days, production would pay, basically.

[A]

You know, what excitement.

[B]

You can go in there and spend $300.

[A]

My. My Valentine's Day decorations.

[B]

Valentine's Day.

[A]

Oh, I love my favorite holiday. My whole house has hearts.

[B]

It's just like, I feel like it's still December. No, no, I'm like Valentine's Day already.

[A]

Because I want them up really long because I love them so much. I'll hit Marshalls after this, by the way. Yeah.

[B]

So Mauricio shows up to Kimosabi roof.

[A]

He looked good.

[B]

Just el. I. I thought he was going to be douchy for some reason. And he wasn't.

[A]

No, I don't think he was just really been douchy. He's always a nice guy out.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, he is. But I thought, like, oh, God, why I couldn't imagine, like, can you imagine Paul showing up at the Housewives of Beverly Hills?

[A]

Hi.

[B]

And I'm. If Eddie did that be like, just sit your ass down. You ain't gone.

[A]

What are you guys saying about my. My hearts and my Valentine's Day decorations?

[B]

We love them. They love them.

[A]

Yeah. So excited.

[B]

Yeah. So what is it that Giselle said something like, Marisa would be somebody she would spend time with. Horizontal.

[A]

Guys. Hello, ladies. You do know we're talking about a fellow sister's husband. Ex husband. They're not divorced yet, are they?

[B]

No, they're not divorced. But then she's like, they're men.

[A]

Like, this is not girl code.

[B]

Right? But she says it. And then it was like when Ashley started saying things like, oh, he's single. Da, da, da. And following him.

[A]

And then Giselle, just so happy to have a friend. She's going along with it.

[B]

Yeah, she's going along with it. She's encouraging it. And then Giselle's like, no, we don't do that. That's Kyle's ex. Hus. Or.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That.

[B]

We don't do that.

[A]

That was spoken for of a friend of theirs.

[B]

And I mean, Mauricio is. He's all. He's off limits to another housewife. That just would not be.

[A]

Just don't do. Yeah, no, that's.

[B]

He's still married.

[A]

But wait a second. Like. Like we're. We're all like. We have boundaries in this business. But here's the thing. A lot of people have recycled the men in, like, New York. Everybody dated that guy Tom. Right?

[B]

Well, look at Alexis Molino. She's married to John Johnson.

[A]

Right? But she came on after she came on. She didn't meet John through Shannon, right?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

She was dating him, and then they brought her on.

[B]

They met at dinner one night. Mutual friends. Like, they just.

[A]

But she had no connection to Shannon. No Shannon at all. She had no connection like these girls. Like, you know. Yeah, she's there. That's a housewife's husband.

[B]

Husband.

[A]

For a long time, the rooms about her husband, that was like iconic. But. Yeah, I mean, it's.

[B]

I don't know. It's just weird. So then Giselle was on watch what happens live and. Yeah, that. And she said that Stacy would have really gone for Mauricio if she hadn't put a stop to it, which leads me to believe that maybe she's not back with her husband and maybe this is just like a.

[A]

Like a Teemu husband.

[B]

Yeah, this is. No, I think this is like a repeat of last year. Mishima be paying when she paid the

[A]

guy to come on.

[B]

But are they really together?

[A]

Why did we never get to the bottom of that? She really jerk off anyway? The way he talked.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I know, but the way that she. Her eyes opened up when Mauricio was around and followed him out with Ashley and all stuff. I'm like, wait, but you're back with your husband? Why are you doing this? Is it just to help Ashley out?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm just helping. I'm just the Wing woman. And by the way, that's not nice. In Italian we say that's a no. Nice.

[B]

That's not nice.

[A]

No, no. And you know, like, what would Kyle say? You know, I'd love for you to ask Kyle how she felt about that.

[B]

I will.

[A]

She's probably like, who cares if you think he's going for them? Have you seen what he's with in Greece when he gets off the plane? Some 20 year old piece, hot piece of bass with his 5,000 bracelets. No, thank you. He's not going for anybody else on that cast. Sorry, sorry.

[B]

Bracelets. That's so funny.

[A]

His midlife bracelets. His midlife crisis braves us. Back in my day when a guy started cheating, he'd grow a goatee and wear cologne.

[B]

Yep, that's so true. That I know. True.

[A]

So it ends with bracelets.

[B]

Giselle got them. Sweet. At the Four Season, she wants everyone to stay the night. They want to do brunch in the morning. Angel says they have an activity tomorrow. Fly fishing. Giselle's like, we might not even go. We might go home. She's like, nope. So Giselle basically is a punishing angel by saying, we will leave and we will not promote your business. We're not doing it.

[A]

Well, you know, these aren't the camper type of fly fishing girls. They're not going to. And there's a reason why. And I get that. And certain people aren't made for certain things. But, you know, Angel, I felt the need that she had felt the need that she wanted to show them her life. And she thought that it was going to go a different way. I. I don't think this was on Angel's bingo card for it to fall

[B]

apart the way that it needs angel to speak up. She needs.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, girl.

[B]

Yeah. It's like, I plan this trip. This is what we're doing.

[A]

And then show me a pulse.

[B]

You have Giselle over there going. This trip sucks. I'm taking over. So our show doesn't suck. And I'm going to plan our own trip. We're going to the Four Seasons. We're going to have brunch. We're going to do this, we're going to do that, and then we're going home.

[A]

The Four Seasons in Aspen is really nice, I'm sure. And I. I just want to go now.

[B]

Well, I don't think they were in Aspen. I think it was back where they let Rashid.

[A]

Well, if there's A four seasons. There has to be some reputation.

[B]

Yeah, but. Yeah, that was it. I mean, all I can say is I really hope that angel comes to the reunion 100 prepared because she have it in her. Well, it's going to show. If she doesn't have it in her, then it's. She shouldn't be on the show. She's gonna be done.

[A]

I don't think she's gonna come back.

[B]

I don't even.

[A]

So I think she should bring. She'd come in. She should come in with both barrels loaded and she's. I feel like if she has it in her, she's holding back because she needs her job and she's trying to stay on the show.

[B]

Well, that's not a way to stay on the show. You talk.

[A]

You talk something. Tamara, let me ask you something. If somebody was getting berated like that and you were on that trip and you were on that bus, would you have stepped in for her?

[B]

Yes, I would.

[A]

Yes, I know you would.

[B]

Yeah, I would. 100 I would have. I mean, there's certain people that the caskets upset with, and they have a lot of questions and they're throwing things at them, like if they're answering the questions and that's all they can do. And there's. People are still yelling and it's like, enough is enough. Like, no, no. Nope. Don't like it.

[A]

Angels got one shot at the reunion. And you know what, Stacy? Nice to know you're a girl's girl, and you jumped on that bandwagon and went after and flirted with Mauricio. So that's really good to know, Stacy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This whole time feeling sorry for you.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

My sympathy is out the window, Stacy, for you ever again. And that's how I feel.

[B]

All right, thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Two Teas and a Pod.

[A]

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