Mormons Having a Moment (Headlines)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Mormons Having a Moment (Headlines)"

Date: September 18, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Teddi and Tamra dive into major headlines and personal updates, unpacking Real Housewives news, their own lives’ ups and downs, and the buzz around new Bravo and reality shows. Big storylines include Teddi’s health update following brain surgery, drama involving Sheena from Vanderpump Rules, Bravo’s new “Wife Swap” (with a Mormon twist), and various housewives’ life changes. The hosts also weigh in with candid opinions and trademark snark, keeping conversations unfiltered and relatable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Health & Life Updates

Teddi’s Recovery and Mental Health [03:44–13:25]

• Teddi shares feeling physically and emotionally depleted post-hospitalization, noting lasting effects from brain surgery and Covid.
• Tamra opens up about supporting Teddi, "Honestly, you gave me strength. You're not going to feel like this anymore. Get your ass back out there and just push those feelings down." [04:31]
• Teddi discusses cognitive struggles: “A lot of what’s causing me stress is... I used to be so on it, and now... I think I have 241 unread text messages.” [11:51]
• Both reflect on resilience and the challenges of processing trauma after the fact.

Divorce Status and Co-Parenting [13:25–15:07]

• Teddi clarifies she’s no longer proceeding with her divorce legally, but she and her ex are not together:
  “We are not working on the divorce, and we're not working on the marriage. We're just working on being good communicators and being there for the kids.” [13:57]
• Tamra empathizes, acknowledging the emotional weight of long-term relationships changing:
  “At least 16 years of being with the same person... and then all of a sudden that going away... It's finally hitting me.” [14:17 - Teddi]

2. Family, Parenting, and Personal News

Tamra’s Family Updates [20:52–24:16]

• Tamra shares excitement about her daughter Sophia’s upcoming 20th birthday trip to NYC and Sophia’s tight relationship with her boyfriend and his family (“His mom grew up in the same area in Mexico that Eddie did... Very tight knit family.” [21:16])
• Granddaughter Ava is transitioning from homeschool to private school; Tamra is helping out, proud of the co-parenting relationships improving over the years.

3. Drama in Bravo Land

Sheena/Katie/Teddi/Tamra Podcast Drama [26:13–33:31]

• Tamra details being dragged into a Vanderpump Rules rumor after Teddi’s interview with Katie.
• Sheena accuses Tamra and Teddi of spreading lies; Teddi clarifies she was just stating “Rumor has it,” after being flooded with DMs and screenshots.
  "I was sent, like, 16 screenshots, told that this was a rumor... I didn't just pull it out of my ass. I have no idea if it's true or not... that's what we do, we talk about rumors." [27:37 - Teddi]
• Sheena requests they “clear it up” on the pod, which Tamra finds unnecessary and frustrating:
  “It’s just so annoying that somebody would come on and say, I need you to clear that up.” [31:33 - Teddi]
• Both dismiss the drama, with Tamra emphasizing:
  “Sheena’s the queen of rumors.” [31:55]

4. Bravo & Reality TV Headlines

Wife Swap with Reality Stars—Spotlight on Mormon Family [38:29–42:28]

• New Wife Swap features Angie K. (Housewives) trading lives with Lindsay Flake—a former Mormon living off the grid with no electricity or running water.
  “Do you think Lindsay can teach Angie K. to value nature over luxury?” [39:57 - Teddi]
• Tamra is unconvinced, quipping: “No electricity? That’s not even funny.” [39:41]
• Other swaps: Dr. Wendy with a rules-free fun mom; Melissa Gorga with a vegan family; Emily Simpson with a hands-off dad.
• Hosts joke about who they’d want to swap with (“I’m not going with this person that lives with no electricity.” [42:02 - Tamra])
• Brief discussion clarifying Emily Simpson’s continued relationship with the Two Ts podcast brand.

New Shows Announced [44:18–47:01]

• Bravo launches a Summer House spinoff, focusing on marriage, parenthood, and growing up without growing apart.
• Ladies of London returns after an 8-year hiatus, featuring Carolyn Stanbury and some returning cast.

Dancing with the Stars Recap [47:01–49:56]

• Tamra and Teddi discuss the premiere, noting standout performances (Whitney, Hilaria Baldwin, Robert Irwin) and the debate around including professionally trained stars.

5. Recent Housewife News & Scandals

Aaron & Denise Richards’ Home Situation [51:11–54:03]

• Discussion about publicized hoarding/mess in Aaron Phypers’ house; Denise and Aaron blame each other.
  “He claims Denise left abandoned...piles of clothes, dresses covered in trash and dust...” [52:03 - Teddi]
• Tamra reacts to the family all living together and 15 dogs:
  “Why do they all live together? Can you just answer that? Riddle me that.” [52:53]

Mary Cosby’s Son Arrested [55:01–56:11]

• Update: Mary Cosby’s son arrested on multiple charges in a domestic dispute.
• Both express sympathy:
  “As a mother, it is just the hardest.” [56:00 - Tamra]
  “Just devastating.” [56:11 - Teddi]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Supporting Each Other in Dark Times:
  “You gave me strength. You're not going to feel like this anymore. Get your ass back out there and just push those feelings down.”
  — Tamra Judge [04:31]

• On Spreading/Handling Rumors:
  “I was sent, like, 16 screenshots, told that this was a rumor... I didn't pull it out of my ass... that's what we do, we talk about rumors.”
  — Teddi Mellencamp [27:37]

• On “Wife Swap” Mormon Episode:
  “No electricity? That’s not even funny. No, no, no, no.”
  — Tamra Judge [39:41]

• On Co-Parenting and Blended Families:
  “I feel like it’s not as tight as it would be if me and Simon were together...the family dinners and all that stuff and it just...we lost it somewhere along the way.”
  — Tamra Judge [21:10]

• On Rumor Accountability:
  “If she's being on top of her social media, she probably saw it too.”
  — Teddi Mellencamp [33:31]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Teddi’s health & infection story: [03:44–13:25]
• Divorce and co-parenting: [13:25–15:07]
• Tamra’s family life (Sophia, Ava): [20:52–24:16]
• Sheena drama breakdown: [26:13–33:31]
• Wife Swap segment (Mormons & Housewives): [38:29–42:28]
• Emily Simpson/Two Ts Brand Clarification: [42:41–44:18]
• Summer House spinoff & Ladies of London: [44:18–47:01 & 50:00–50:49]
• Dancing with the Stars reactions: [47:01–49:56]
• Housewives legal & personal updates (Denise/Aaron, Mary Cosby’s son): [51:11–56:11]

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Tone & Dynamics

The conversation is candid, with Teddi and Tamra offering personal vulnerability, housewives insider knowledge, and cheeky, unfiltered humor. They move easily from serious moments (health, family, legal trouble) to snarky asides about reality TV absurdity, never shying from sharing their genuine opinions or calling out drama.

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For Listeners

If you missed the episode, you’ll come away understanding the current Bravo landscape, get the inside scoop on personal journeys of Teddi and Tamra, and be caught up on both the serious and the silly that’s rocking the world of Real Housewives and their extended universe.

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[Tamara Judge]

Two T's in a Pod with Teddi.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm so bummed. We were supposed to be together. We were supposed to have a little sleepover last night.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

And then do the pod today and then do Carlos King, which Carlos King Interview with Me podcast got canceled. And then I was feeling a little bit under the weather, and I don't want, you know, obviously I don't want to get you sick after you just got better.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. Well, the crazy thing is, even though I just got better, I still feel like shit.

[Tamara Judge]

Really.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Absolute shit.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, I hate to break it to you, but you're going through a lot of shit right now. It's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I was telling Erica yesterday, I was like, I can't even. I don't know, I can't get out of it.

[Tamara Judge]

You can't catch a break.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

When you were, like, feeling depressed, what kind of finally pumped you out of it?

[Tamara Judge]

You know, what you did, honestly, like, the, you know, obviously the first half of the show, I was just so devastated and so worried about you and having to film and hold the pod down and not getting much sleep and all that stuff. I was. I just. I couldn't. I couldn't. The doctor wanted to put me on medication to get me out of it. And then I finally had a breaking point where I just broke and I cried. I left New Orleans. I came home. I saw you, you told me, like, snap out of it. And just your strength and everything you were going through, you know, guys, this was in the beginning when you had gotten out of the hospital and you in the thick of it right there. And I just said, you know what? Teddy gave me strength. You're not going to feel like this anymore. Get your ass back out there and just push those feelings down. And I did, you know, and in my situation, different than yours, you're. You're living it day to day and, you know, and I. I can only imagine what you're going through in the sense of mental health because you're such an active person. And to have to be at home so much. And the one time you do go out, do you get Covid? You get Covid? Like, I'm like, God, really? Come on. Is that a sick joke?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I may have already had it. I mean, who knows? It's.

[Tamara Judge]

It's going around.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's like everybody's getting sick right now. So, like, who knows?

[Tamara Judge]

It's definitely going around, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I can tell you that paxlovid is taste so disgusting.

[Tamara Judge]

I've never taken it. I've gotten Covid so many times. And Eddie calls me one of those. What's it called?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Long.

[Tamara Judge]

Long something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Long. Long term.

[Tamara Judge]

Long. Whatever it is. Like, every four months, I'll get, like, something really bad. Like when you got hospitalized, immediately I got sick. I couldn't stop coughing. My lungs were bad. I got. I didn't have Covid, but I would. I just get, like, these chest situations.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We have that where, like, when life is kind of hitting the fan, then, like, our body goes to sickness because I think our immune system is down and it just doesn't know how to cope.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Why are you going to New York? What's. What's the 411?

[Tamara Judge]

So I am going to New York to do watch what happens live. It's probably the last time for the season I'll be doing. I would imagine it's my second time. I am doing an episode where I flip Gretchen off in the face. Like, I'll be on with Adriana. I don't know that I've met her before. I might have. You know, you meet so many people at Bravo Con and things like that, but she's not somebody that I talk to social media. I don't. Have we ever had her on the pod.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think I know, but you should be getting her.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I want to get her on the pod. I'm. I'm excited to meet her. It's their season finale of Miami. Can you believe Miami is almost done?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I can't believe it. And, like, I feel like it just started. Well, because nothing really has happened. Like, honestly.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you know, you're right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

After watching a couple of other show. I mean, it's been on for three months, and especially, like, I went and watched Salt Lake City or even watching Orange County. There's just such a big difference. And normally I love it. So I don't know. I mean, do you guys agree with me? Is Miami. Was it not as good this year?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I feel like, you know, I always like the girls, and I like every single one of them. And Me too. It just wasn't. Sometimes there's explosive years, sometimes there's not. It all depends on what's going on in everybody's life. Did you interview maybe Adriana Epper, BravoCon?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I did okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I met her at BravoCon and I think it was just like one of the. When we had our party, I think it was just like one of those little quick ones.

[Tamara Judge]

I will say it's not a bad season by any means. It's just not packed full of, you know, drama.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. It's just not the most amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's not a jaw dropper because it's stuff. But that's also why I, you know, when things play out on social media first and we already know too much, it's not as interesting.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So I got, you know, I'm going darker with my hair. Slowly, slowly. So it's not shock on me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

As the world turns.

[Tamara Judge]

As the world turns. So I. Yesterday, I had darker extensions in my hair to match my roots. Took my extensions out that I had in. My hair is so thin.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Teddy, how many strands do you have? My hair. Thicker.

[Tamara Judge]

Your hair's thicker.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no, you're. The base of your hair is way thicker than my hair. It's. I have seven strands of hair left. I'm actually concerned. Like, I'm literally concerned. I'll show you a picture. I have more than seven. But it's just maybe. I don't know if it's because 17. Maybe it's because you're so used to, you know, when you have extensions.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And then they take it out and it's like, how long.

[Tamara Judge]

How long before you think you're going to get them put in?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, I think it's. I'm going to be a minute. I don't know that I need to see those little things coming through.

[Tamara Judge]

And when did Brittany get them put in?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She got them. Put them pretty quickly. By this length, I think she had already.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, do you know that the pixie cut is really in style right now?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I've gotten kind of used to the pixie, I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank God you're beautiful. If I had that done, I would look like a dog's ass. I'm telling you, if I had a pixie cut, I would look like a dog's ass. I just have, like, I have. I have a Frankenstein head.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You do not have a friend.

[Tamara Judge]

I swear to you, I do like you. But, you know, back in the day, like, nowadays they put, like, those helmets on kids to Reshape their head?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, back then, you know, in 1967, they didn't do that. So my mom said I had a hell of a time, like, turning over because the back of my head was so flat. Well, I mean, Eddie likes it because he can put his drink on the back of my head, you know, when. I'm just kidding.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh. Oh, Tam.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. So what. What is going on with you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What's new? You know, there's not a ton new. I'm trying to, like. My dating has taken a. Tipped a low tip because I have been feeling so yucky, so I haven't been able to, like, the same.

[Tamara Judge]

Isn't it kind of hard to date when you don't leave the house?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, that's. That's the thing. It's kind of hard to date, but I was trying to do it for a little while, and now it's taken a dip.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you remain friends with.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. I was just wondering because I thought he was really, really nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He was really, really nice.

[Tamara Judge]

Or he still is very nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, he's. He's a nice guy. He's a funny guy. But, yeah, I remain friends with him. And then there's one other guy that I still, like, talk to, but I feel bad because I can't ever do anything. Like, I'm like, I don't feel up to it. Sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

It's nice to be able to talk to somebody, though, you know? It is, but that's got to be nice. It doesn't mean it has to go much farther. I don't know. I mean, you're. You're. You're a catch.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm a real catch. Especially right now. You're getting better.

[Tamara Judge]

So recently you had said you got a scan done, electric, some kind. You had, like, little. You show me electroids all over your head to test, like, I don't know, is it brain waves or what is it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They test to see, like, how your brain is operating now, you know, like, after having such, like, traumatic surgeries and stuff like that. Yeah. And the results came back, and they want to essentially put me on a different medication for the brain fog and for the confusion and all that kind of stuff. Because a lot of what's causing me stress is, like, I used to be so on it, and, you know, it, like, I was so on it with text calls being there, like, now. I'm not kidding. I think I have 241 unread text messages.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I. I mean, I could imagine.

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[Tamara Judge]

It's kind of, like, you know, just having major brain surgery like you did. And I remember the doctors telling us, the surgeon, that the tumors that they remove literally left craters. Yeah. Because they were so large craters.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And so that has to do some temporary, you know, memory loss and things like that. I. From the outside, can tell you I see you getting better.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you. I can feel. I feel better. With searching for words. It's more just like the unknown that I think is getting to me, and I think I'm finally like.

[Tamara Judge]

Like the future.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And also, like, I think I'm finally mourning a lot of things that I, you know, right out of the hospital, I was like, back in everything, full swing, like, going for it. And I think that now that things slowed down, I'm just having to process so much that it's. It's getting me down. One question. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

One question we've talked about, but I don't know if you want to talk about it, so you can say no if you don't want to. In the midst of all this, you are still going through a divorce, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, we've stopped the divorce, so, like. But I mean, we're. We're not together.

[Tamara Judge]

But you're not together, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're not together, so.

[Tamara Judge]

But you're not working on the marriage. You're not trying to get back together, you know, that you are not going to be together.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We are not working on the divorce, and we're not working on the marriage.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're just working on being good communicators and being there for the kids.

[Tamara Judge]

And how. How does that make you feel? Like. Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. Like, on top of everything, you gotta. I mean, when you do it, girl, you do. You go all in. You go all in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Everything.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

At least 16 years of being with the same person and, you know, knowing the ins and outs, and then all of a sudden that going away. Yeah. Is, you know, now. It's finally. It's finally hitting me. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you ever think, like, you know, let's just try to make it work or just because you want somebody there with you every single night?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I mean, I think, yes, of course, there are moments that, you know, that goes into. But there's so much work that would need to be done, and there's so much things that never say never.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But we're definitely not in a place right now where that's, you know, coming up.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And, you know, he's. He's definitely, you know, dating and living his life and happy.

[Tamara Judge]

That's got to be hard. I know that he had posted some stuff on social media about being on a trip with a girl and I was just like, no, don't post that, don't post that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But it was okay.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

So going to New York City. It's actually Sophia's 20th birthday on September 24th and her. I'm taking her and her boyfriend to New York. They are actually talking about moving to New York in a year from now.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So, I mean, it's serious.

[Tamara Judge]

It's very serious. Very, very, very serious.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you like him?

[Tamara Judge]

I love him. Love him. His name is Nico. His mom grew up in the same area in Mexico that Eddie did. And I don't know if it's the mom or the family, but anyway, Guadalajara. And she is. Seems like a wonderful mom. Wonderful. And Sophia loves the family and they're a very tight knit family. Very tight knit. Which is very. It's really weird because after Simon and I split up and then, you know, the kids got older and it. I felt like we didn't keep that. Me and Eddie didn't keep the tight knit. It's hard. Other people, maybe they've gone through divorce and have kids and blended family. I feel like it's not as tight as it would be if me and Simon were together. Their father, you know what I mean? I mean, I know. I mean, we're good. Everything's good and everything, but, you know, you know, the family dinners and all that stuff and it just. I felt like we lost it somewhere along the way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not backseat to it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It feels like it's coming back around.

[Tamara Judge]

Now, now that the kids are a little bit older. And I think a lot had to do with their father saying horrible things about Eddie too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So, you know, now that the kids are older, we do dinners together and all that stuff. But his family is extremely tight and. And so loves that. And we're going to New York. They're gonna come out the day after because he is taking her out on.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

A date for her birthday.

[Tamara Judge]

They plan they're gonna go to a fancy restaurant on the 24th and she's all excited about that. And then they're gonna come out. And so I'm extending the stay for a little bit. And she says, mom, you know, you don't have to tag along with everything we do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, oh, okay, I see what you're saying. I said, I go, no. Making plans with Dorinda and Dolores and trying to see as many girls out there as I can.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's so fun.

[Tamara Judge]

A little vacation. Eddie's staying home to take care of the dog. And Sophia's cat, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you know, we gotta take care of rugby.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. And other family news. Very excited. Ava, who's been my granddaughter who's been homeschooled since for the past five years. She's now 10, just started private school.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So she's in regular school now.

[Tamara Judge]

She's in regular private school. Yeah. Yep. Super excited about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They've been wanting, that'll be game changer.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, they, she's been wanting to do that and you know, I was happy to help out because, you know, as you know, private school is very expensive.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So I, I'm helping out with that and I want to go today and go and pick her up from school with, with Sarah. Me and Sarah, you know, we've had an up and down relationship in the past, but now, for years now, everything's been good. And Ryan and Sarah have a great co parenting relationship as well. So all is good. All is good in the hood. All is good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's great news. Well, I have one other question about Sophia. Have she gotten in her first argument with the boyfriend yet?

[Tamara Judge]

I asked her that and she said, no, we really haven't. I said, well, he should argue about those bangs you just cut. I, I listen, her hair is a different color. It's long, it's short, it's this, it's that. So she cut her, her hair in a pixie cut. I think I've said this. And you know those little micro bangs are in st. And she cuts her own hair. And I said, did you cut your bangs again? Mom, I'm not talking about this with you right now. Leave my hair. I'm like, I can stand anything but those micro bangs. And now I'm seeing like Miley Cyrus with them. And, and there was an ad that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The growing out stage isn't going to be fun.

[Tamara Judge]

Horrible. Pamela Anderson has had a little pixie cut in one of her ads. And I'm like, I guess this is the look. But I just, I don't know, maybe in two years I'll be like, oh, that's cute.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Speaking of Pamela, Pamela Anderson, she was Liam Neeson or not. I'm. Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Are they or was that like just for a movie or something?

[Tamara Judge]

I think they did a movie together and they ended up, I think they're an adorable couple.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think so.

[Tamara Judge]

Adorable. Andy had them on watch what happens live now. You know, Andy was really good friends with his wife that passed away.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

And I just, I am pleasantly surprised and in shock about the road that Pamela Anderson took here. She was this sexy bombshell, and now she's standing up for, you know, no makeup and being a natural beauty. Being a natural beauty. And this is a girl that had a tattoo around her arm and, you know, 800cc implants and all this stuff. And I'm like, wow. I mean, she is naturally beautiful. Could you do that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I. At this point.

[Tamara Judge]

You kind of are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I don't know about the natural beauty.

[Tamara Judge]

You are naturally beautiful. You are naturally beautiful. You are naturally beautiful. Oh, thank you so much.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Should we talk about the drama that's been going on?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you know what? I. I didn't want to talk about it because I was not involved in it, but Sheena involved me in it. So just to take it back, you had. You interviewed Katie, which we, you know, on. On Twat C. We interview people. Obviously, I'm not allowed. You know, part of my contract, have the podcast about housewives. I am not allowed to recap my own show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Which is fine.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

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[Tamara Judge]

I don't mind that. But I am on vacation in Yellowstone, Jackson Hole, whatever you want to call it. And you interview Katie, and I get a text message after it from Sheena, and it says, hey, give me a call when you can, please. I don't want to bother Teddy with this. And I thought, oh, God, she's mad about something on the podcast. And I said, I just finished whitewater rafting in Wyoming. I'll call you later when I get to my room. So it took us. And long story short, I never called her because she did an emergency podcast about your interview, but blamed me.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And here's the thing, guys. I was sent, like, 16 screenshots, told that this was a rumor that was happening. I didn't just, like, pull it out of my ass. And I'm not saying that it's true or not true. I have no idea. And that is why I said, rumor has it. And that's what we do. We go on here and we talk about rumors. We talk the rumors. Yeah, the drama, you know, that's. That's. That's all it was. And the fact that her reaction was so big. And then, don't worry, she did end up contacting me, too. Well, you know, on a group text.

[Tamara Judge]

And then a week later, in a group text, she writes, tamara, I tried last week and haven't heard back. Teddy, I'm curious where you heard this from. I don't know why my name is being dragged into it, but I'd like to know where the lie Came from, please. Now and then she sends a little clip of the podcast, and she says no one was saying it. No one at all was saying that. Gretchen told Sheena and Kiki until this podcast. I'm free for a call today. And I wrote her back because I was upset. I go, why would I reach out to you after you did an emergency podcast before I could call you and blamed me for everything? I was not on the pod. I did not listen. And by the way, I still. You know, me, I don't listen to pod. I still have not listened to the podcast, and I do not edit our pod. And she's. She does this podcast, her and Kiki, which, by the way, I've always supported Kiki. I took. I went to dinner with Kiki in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

New York, both girls. I wasn't say. All I was saying was, rumor has it. And it was because I was sent something and just chatted about it. And I believe me, I had a lot of, you know, things to say to Katie as well. You know, like, I was like, why did you lie about this? Why did you say this? Why did you say, like, that's the whole point of having a discussion. And. But the part that really floors me is that Sheena asked us to come on and clarify.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she says, you say, I have Covid. I'm very ill. I canceled work this week. This is very silly. And in the big scheme of things. And I'm over it. Sorry, that's what you said. And she. And of course Sheena's like, I'm so sorry to hear that, Teddy. I hope you recover quickly. In the big scheme, though, it's my name being dragged into a lie. So I just wanted to know where it came from, Tamra. And then she's like, tamara, I'm sure you know where it came from, and I'd appreciate it being cleared up on the pod. And I'm like, okay, first of all, the account. I asked you where it came from. The account that sent that to you has blocked me, so I couldn't even read it. I am blocked from the account that. That it posted all these things.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I also didn't say it was true. I just said, this is what I heard.

[Tamara Judge]

But don't you find it suspicious that a week later, after it all died down, that she's still, like, reaching out?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but I think she's probably going through it right now because I think she. Something happened with Katie Maloney and her as well, something about her wedding. So I think maybe she's just spiraling.

[Tamara Judge]

All I can say, sheen, it's not that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And she's fighting with Lala.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not that deep. I love Lala. It's not that deep. And the fact that you blame me and said that I have editing rights. Well, let me just tell you something, sweetie. If I'm on a pod with Teddy and both of us say, oh, you know what, we shouldn't add that in, or, you know, I don't want to talk about my dad, maybe we should take that out. Okay? That's our editing rights. We have attorneys. We have producers that take stuff out for legal reasons or other reasons. I wasn't on the pod. I did not listen to the pod. I did not. Oh, by the way, you should remove that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And also, it.

[Tamara Judge]

It's just so annoying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It. It's just super annoying that somebody would come on and say, I need you to clear that up.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, plus, all the shit she said about me and Kiki in the background was like, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, kiki, I have supported you throughout all of this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

To dinner in New York, and it's a rumor.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who cares?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Sheena's the queen of rumors.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No truth to it. Then what does it matter?

[Tamara Judge]

See, that's how I feel. I know I defended Kiki on Jeff Lewis a couple days prior to. To all this. So I'm just really annoyed, for one.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it's not that I don't. I mean, I like Sheena. I've always liked Sheena. But this.

[Tamara Judge]

But you guys have always. Even in New Orleans, you guys were.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Going at it when she was kind of going for me about Captain Jason or something like that, like.

[Tamara Judge]

And no, you went for her, sweetie.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, she first. Well, yeah, that's true. But I didn't ask her.

[Tamara Judge]

But you were all. You were all tumored up, so you didn't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was tumored up, yeah. But I'm not gonna make excuses for myself. I was annoyed at her about the way that she phrased the Captain Jason thing, but that was also her saying, talking to Captain Jason, and them acting like I slid into his DMs, which I didn't want.

[Tamara Judge]

You did not. You asked him to do a video for a friend for a fan or something like that, right? Yeah. It wasn't like, you're like, hey, buddy, can I see your wee wee?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I wasn't like. I was like, hope to see you. And for the record, he reaches out to me because, you know, he had cancer, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yep.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So, I mean, he's a nice guy, he checked in. But like there's no nothing else to it. And that actually, I mean, whatever.

[Tamara Judge]

But I mean, I just felt like it was very super rich coming from her, you know, and always. Yes, yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And like, we're sorry you're going through it with some of the other girls right now, but like, don't take it out on us and don't take it out on something especially.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. I wasn't ever the farthest person involved in this situation.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And don't say it hasn't been anywhere when like, Honestly, there was 16 pages of notes from somebody saying where it was. And if she's being on top of her social media, she probably saw it too.

[Tamara Judge]

Did they tag her in it, do you know?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. But I mean, maybe she's blocked too. Maybe she didn't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I know I'm like, why am I blocked?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe I have that account block. Who knows? Maybe they're mean to me. Well, let's get into headlines. There's a lot to discuss, a lot of new shows coming out.

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

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[Tamara Judge]

If you're a fan of one of.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

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[Tamara Judge]

There's a lot of a lot of stuff going on, you know, like a lot of new shows coming out. There was one that was just announced this morning. I don't even know if it's on our rundown, but we'll get to it. But the first one is Wife Swap.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Could you do that?

[Tamara Judge]

Funny story, when I, before I was even on Housewives, remember their original wife swap?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So somebody in my neighborhood did it. And I remember like, that my kids were maybe like 1 and 2 when this happened. And I remember like driving by the house going, oh my God, like being all starstruck. I didn't even, I didn't know the, the girl that was on it, but the family. But yeah, so I, I, this would be a hard one to do because.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We do know these girls. It's Angie K. Emily Simpson, Melissa Gorga, and Dr. Wendy will trade families with four other women with different lifestyles. Angie K. She loves brand names, beauty, and micromanaging. Her family swaps lives with off the grid former Mormon Lindsay Flake, whose family lives without electricity, running water and rules.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

That's where Angie went?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, no electricity?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, that, that's, that's not even funny. No, no, no, no. So she had a camp for a week?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Pretty much. But at least you know, we know she loves camping.

[Tamara Judge]

No cell phone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. But do you think Lindsay can teach Angie K. To value nature over luxury? Is. Do you think that's what's going to happen is what they're trying to put out there?

[Tamara Judge]

No, it ain't gonna happen. Angie might act like it even though she's got an RV, but no, she's got electricity in that RV.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, then Dr. Wendy, who runs her busy Maryland household, prioritizing strict rules and tight schedules, swaps lives with free spirited Floridian Althea Shapiro, who prioritizes fun, no rules and ferrets. Will Dr. Wendy be able to find balance between structure and fun? Can Althea bring a more spontaneity to Wendy's family?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. I think Wendy is a very structured person. I know. I think that she's gonna. I saw the preview where she's like, you ruined my carpet. You know? And the girl's just like, what? What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then we've got Melissa Gorga, who prides herself on Sunday sauce, family values, organization, swaps life with disorganized vegan Michelle Clark. Will Michelle take a page from Melissa's perfectionist lifestyle? Can Melissa successfully implement her traditional values and structure into this family?

[Tamara Judge]

We shall see.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

We shall see.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My God. And then the final one is. This is Emily Simpson, which I was surprised to hear that she was doing it. But Emily Simpson swaps her modern day marriage for an old school marriage with a hands off dad. Eric, when Kaylee Svenson experiences a laid back new Life. In OC she tries to crack the tough shell of Emily's daughter and helps the family implement more family time. Emily attempts to implement teamwork and structure, where she comes to realize how good she has it at. Oh, which housewife would you want to swap with?

[Tamara Judge]

I think that I would go with Happy Eddie because he's got a weed business like my husband Eddie, so I feel like I would feel right at home.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I think I would go probably.

[Tamara Judge]

Melissa Gorga, because I'm not going with this person that lives with no electricity. It's just not happening.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, Angie K got the heart.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I'm a scruffy girl, but that's one thing. I'm like, no, how do you. How do you charge your phone? They don't have phones.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You must not. Well, I doubt they would let her have her phone anyway.

[Tamara Judge]

I knew Emily was gonna do it. She told me about it, and I'm like, oh, my God. And she was super nervous about it. Super, super nervous.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How long? It's a week.

[Tamara Judge]

It's. I think it's like six days or something like that. And. But she says it was lots of filming, like, all the time filming.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And there's ultimate girls trip type filming.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. Like, there's cameras everywhere. One thing I would like to clear up about Emily, I've been seeing a lot of have been sending me DMS about Emily's podcast, and I want to say, like, Emily is still on our, you know, 2T's umbrella. She's still here. So basically, what happens when we have somebody underneath us, we get them started. So we put them on the back end of our podcast, and as they get better or get, you know, people are viewers, more viewers, and, you know, they are set up for success if they are good at what they're doing because they're. Me and Teddy work for. For almost five years building these subscribers and everything. And what happens is, you know, they get it. All our subscribers get a notification that legally Burnett is out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right? Yeah. So. And she's still on our feed. She's still on our feet times a month.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So what we do normally is we try to wean them off onto their own feed. And that's basically what we're doing right now, where she's. She's on our feed. Every other podcast, which she has four podcasts. Podcast is great. Legally Brunette with her and Shane. Make sure you follow and subscribe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And it's doing great. And. But like, to the people think that there's any drama there? No, she didn't leave two T's in a pod. She's still in our feed. It's just about, I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I got messages where people are saying she said so many nasty things about you this season. Like, I thought you guys were good. Did you kick her off? Then another one is like, Emily left. Like it was. It caused like a big old issue, honestly, when she made the announcement.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we both got a lot of messages on that. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But everything's good. So there is another new show. It just was announced, Summer House Spin off coming with Lindsay, Kyle, Amanda and then more. We don't know who else is on it, but Bravo announced the series on Wednesday, September 17, which is today. So the. The title is in the City. So I'm assuming these people from Summer House or now we're going to see more of their life. Now they're still going to be on Summer House, Right. So they're going to be doing two shows. Extra busy filming under the working title why have it. Somebody sent it to me twice. Why isn't the thing. Okay, this city. Okay. In the city that never sleeps, a group of New Yorkers navigate the biggest transition of their lives. Marriage, parenthood, renovations, and the reality of growing up without growing apart.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I have some exciting news.

[Tamara Judge]

What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My publicist just texted me that we are one of the best celebrity podcasts on the Astro Podcast Awards.

[Tamara Judge]

What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're nominated?

[Tamara Judge]

We're nominated?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. That's so exciting.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Khloe Kardashian in Wonderland. Unconditional. Well, we just lost Maurice and Anna and then artist friendly and good hang. It's pretty exciting.

[Tamara Judge]

It is exciting. Very exciting.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

If you want to see the trailer for the new show, the Summer House.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't remember the name of the damn thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I go to say it in the City Summer House spinoff, then just go watch it because it looks good and I'm excited that we'll be able to recap another show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you see that? Mormon Wives. Jen Affleck reveals if Ben Affleck knew before teaming up for her new dynamic Duncan ad.

[Tamara Judge]

I did. Have you guys seen the new Duncan ad with Jen Affleck and Ben Affleck? It is so cute.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, everyone's like, how did this happen? Are you actually related? And Jen said that his daughter was there and she's a huge fan. She's like, okay, can we be related? As long as I'm related to Jen, we're chilling.

[Tamara Judge]

That is so cute that he brought his daughter there to meet her and if you haven't. I mean, it's all over social media, but it's so cute. What did she say? She's like the cheaper Affleck and the cuter one. And he's like. And he's like in his car in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The drive through the budget. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And he's like rude. It's really cute. Really cute. So I'm expecting to see a Ben Affleck cameo on Mormon Wives.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you imagine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I would love to see. I would love to see it. But speaking of that, I mean, did you watch Dancing with the Stars last night?

[Tamara Judge]

I did watch Dancing with the Stars. It was two hours long. I know it was. Okay, first of all, Whitney, Holy moly. Like, I love. I can just sit there and watch like all her tick tocks dancing. I know she's such a good dancer, but she's also professionally trained. Now what are your thoughts on having stars that are professionally trained dancers? Do you think it's a.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I think that now they're all so good. What watching. I was thinking, you know what?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they're not all that good. They're not all that great. The stars. Like if.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, well, the mass majority of them are very good. Like Hilaria Baldwin is a good dancer.

[Tamara Judge]

She's also professionally trained. She's an amazing dancer. Now Whitney was. Whitney and her partner, which I so badly want to cut his hair. Are leading.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And then they were tied. There was a tie for first. And I think it was Robert Irwin who was so good. So good. And so. Yes. I'm excited about the. The season. Carrie Ann was out because she was sick, but it was good. And then Dylan. Let's talk about Dylan.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He's a hottie.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. He starts off on the table, the desk with the judges shaking his butt in their faces. And then, I mean, what the hell.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Have you had him on trailers?

[Tamara Judge]

We were supposed to interview him maybe, remember? I think it was me. Was it me and you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

And then I don't know what happened, but it got canceled. So I don't know if he got too busy for us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Too busy for us. How rude. The audacity of it all.

[Tamara Judge]

But it was good. I couldn't vote because I watched the, you know, after voting had closed, I guess. I don't know. I'm not sure how to do all that anyways. And I. I think Whitney has a really good chance.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Me too.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, by the way, what a glow up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She. Her dress was beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

She looked amazing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Amazing. And I mean, between that and Taylor Being on the Bachelorette, like, these girls know how to turn one thing into another.

[Tamara Judge]

Now all the. I think all the girls were in the audience from the show. I wasn't sure if. Was Taylor there?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, she was there. Yeah, Taylor was there.

[Tamara Judge]

She was there. Okay. So all the girls were there. Supporting. We saw Alec Baldwin in the audience with a couple of his kids. I think two or three of his. Seven, eight, nine, however many he has.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

120.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. So it was. It was a really. I'm really looking forward to that. And then Taylor, her new show, the Bachelorette. I don't know. Is that filming right now or is that. How is that.

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[Tamara Judge]

It coming out soon? She already filmed it. Do you know?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she must have already filmed it.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because we're seeing, you know, trailers and stuff like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, they haven't filmed it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There's also a new show, the Rain. The T hits different. Get a first look at the ladies of London. They're back.

[Tamara Judge]

They're back after eight years. You never know with Bravo when they're going to bring a show back.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Eight year hiatus. And now they're back. Yeah. Are we gonna watch that?

[Tamara Judge]

I am gonna watch it. I actually rewatched a couple episodes not too long ago because, you know, I forgot that Carolyn Stanberry was in it and, you know, she's a friend of ours, and so I wanted to go back just to watch it to, you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Know, see what she was like.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. See what she was like. Because this is. It's been quite a while since it's been on and it's good. I think one or two of the girls from the original one is back on it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And then Carolyn makes. She. She makes an appearance as well, because.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I didn't watch it originally.

[Tamara Judge]

Who else? There's another housewife I believe makes a cameo on the show. I remember seeing. I can't remember who it is. Well, we'll. We'll find out. Do we have an air date for that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We just got. Coming soon. Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

This next. Next article.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. Did you see the pictures?

[Tamara Judge]

I saw the pictures. Did she. I thought that she said he. His family was living in that mess.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They are, but they have to stay upstairs or. I mean, they have to stay downstairs.

[Tamara Judge]

So the pictures of the hoarding, I guess you would call it. Is that where Denise lives or the family?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She doesn't live there anymore, but that's how it was left.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Because on her, you know, the new show that she had.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Remember she was in those little.

[Tamara Judge]

She was in a condo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She was in condos.

[Tamara Judge]

She was in condos, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So that was kind of confusing. I know, but the house was in disarray. Is that why?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. But they have something like 14 dogs.

[Tamara Judge]

They had like 30 something dogs at one time.

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[Tamara Judge]

I don't even think that's legal.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I. I don't know, but I can't even think of it. But he claims Denise left abandoned the photo, piles of clothes, dresses covered in trash and dust, and a child room with stuffed animals all over. Well, that's nothing. I mean, stuffed animals left all over that room every morning. There's hundreds of dollars worth of vintage clothing in here and it's riddled in moths. Aaron said Denise has claimed via court docs that she moved out two years ago and blames Aaron and his family for having severely damaged the property and left the house in a state of disarray.

[Tamara Judge]

So the upstairs, the way it was left, that's his family's fault?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's what she's saying? I think so.

[Tamara Judge]

She's saying that they did that they threw everything. Oh, boy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because it says Aaron resides in the lower level of the property with his parents, brother and Richard's 15 dogs. I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Why do they all live together? Can you just answer that? Ruin me that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Why are they all living together between.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That and the 15 dogs in the disarray upstairs? It feels like a lot for me.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I. There's no way I could do that. Yeah, there is no way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I. I'm trying to remember if I ever even went inside that house. I don't think so. Because I think when she had her party and that was the house they were living in, I think we went straight out to the back and there was whatever like the high end Porter John's that we took. So I don't think I've ever been inside of it.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, okay. So you were never in there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Did we talk. I think we talked about this. Or maybe I did with Dolores. But you remember that scene where he grabbed her hand at Kyle's house?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And what did he say? I'll crush her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Don't crush your hand or whatever.

[Tamara Judge]

She's bringing that up in court.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she and I. I think they can use like the footage and stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, he doesn't actually do it, but he. He's just. The fact that he said it. Yeah, I know, I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's while he's Mike after she reminds him he's miked.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, who knows? All I know is that all of that, it makes me feel really sad for everybody involved. Like just watching it, I don't know. And then I watched Charlie Sheen documentary. Did you watch that yet?

[Tamara Judge]

I haven't watched it yet, but I, I want to watch it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You need to watch it.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what documentary I watched last? Not last night, the night before was. What's Demi Moore's Bruce Willis. I watched the Bruce Willis documentary with, with his wife Emma. It's sad. It's really sad. I didn't realize he was married to his, to Emma for 16 years now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's a long time.

[Tamara Judge]

And they're, they're, I, I, for some reason I thought it was a newer marriage and their kids were little, but they're another teenagers now. Yeah, the kid, the girls. So it's just, she's really sweet girl. Really, really sweet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's so hard. And then our final housewife update is Mary Cosby's son arrested for assault and trespassing. This is according to TMZ. According to the arrest report, Robert Jr. Was arrested just outside Salt Lake City for failure to stop at the command of law enforcement. Criminal trespassing, assault and three alleged violations of a court order. Per the report, local police responded to domestic violence call after Robert Jr. Allegedly tried to break into his father in law's home via a dog door and assaulted someone on the front lawn. Robert Jr. Failed to get on the ground when ordered to do so by the responding police officer before eventually complying and being taken into custody. That was from tmsey. That's heartbreaking.

[Tamara Judge]

That is heartbreaking. And she has been pretty open as much as she can be during press and saying he's doing. You know, some days are good. As a mother, it is just the hardest.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I can't even imagine.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. I mean I haven't gone through anything like that, but it just having your child struggling, struggling like that is just devastating.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Devastating. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Thanks you guys for tuning in to an episode of two T's in a Pod. We will be back later. To recap, Salt Lake City can't wait.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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