Naked Wasted Again? (RHOC Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Naked Wasted Again? (RHOC Recap)"
Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp, Erika Jayne (guest co-host)
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode steps away from the usual Teddi and Tamra dynamic, with Erika Jayne joining Teddi for an honest, vulnerable, and often hilarious recap of The Real Housewives of Orange County ("RHOC").
They begin with a raw conversation on personal mental health, coping with depression, and support systems before diving into a detailed RHOC episode breakdown, alongside related “Housewives” nostalgia, gossip, and candid opinions. The tone is a perfect blend of empathy, comedy, and unfiltered “housewife-to-housewife” authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mental Health, Depression, and Support Systems (03:23 - 10:51)

• Teddi’s Recent Struggles:
  Teddi opens up about getting Covid, feeling “extreme depression,” and experiencing hopelessness for the first time in her life. She admits to crying every day and not wanting to reach out for help.
  • "I cried every single day last week." (Teddi, 04:30)
• Erika’s Empathy and Vulnerability:
  Erika shares her own experience with deep depression, intrusive thoughts, and the slow process of recovery:
  • "I wanted to kill myself for a very long time and thought about it a lot and then didn't. The hopelessness is what's frightening." (Erika, 05:10)
• Advice on Healing:
  Both stress the importance of leaning on friends, not being too hard on oneself, and knowing that these feelings won’t last forever.
  • "You really have to be gentle with yourself right here." (Erika, 08:13)
• Practical Tips:
  • Don’t isolate—let people stay with you if needed.
  • Get outside, do small activities (e.g., Teddi getting her nails done).
• Faith and Friendship:
  • "You can call me any time, Teddy." (Erika, 09:18)

2. Catching Up on Life: Weddings and Family (11:02 - 12:56)

• Heartwarming Wedding Recap:
  Teddi and Erika reflect on attending a beautiful wedding where the couple has known each other since the third grade:
  • "He used to spend the night in his car outside of their home waiting for her to wake up so they could spend more time together." (Teddi, 11:27)
• Personal Reflections:
  Erika contrasts her family background with the happy family she witnessed, noting the specialness of the occasion and expressing gratitude for being included.

3. RHOC Recap – Temecula Trip, Group Dynamics, & Reality TV Mechanics (13:41 - 48:28)

• Shannon’s Reluctance and Peculiar Packing:

  • Discussion of Shannon’s hesitation to join Tamara's 24-hour venue trip and over-the-top packing of kitchen gear:
    • "Why did she pack all those kitchen supplies? We didn't see any cooking." (Teddi, 14:31)
    • "Purely for kitsch and effect. It’s a shtick. Nobody’s cooking on this shit." (Erika, 14:37)

• Filming Realities and Eating On Camera:
  Gina’s artichoke-eating moment leads to a candid side note about the struggles of eating on camera:

  • "Never eat on camera. Yet here we are, eating on camera." (Erika, 19:36)

• Heather and Terry’s Podcast & Fun Facts:

  • The duo mention Heather Dubrow’s new IHeart podcast “Between Us” with husband Terry, then digress to classic rock trivia about Terry’s late brother.
    • "His brother was the lead singer of Quiet Riot." (Erika, 20:24)

• Emily’s Family & Wife Swap:
  Discussion around Emily and Shane’s parenting styles, marriage strength, and surprising news they’re doing “Wife Swap.”

  • "This is a tough spot... you find out what your marriage is made of." (Erika, 23:40)

• RHOC Drama Dynamics:

  • Debates about labeling mothers, reality TV “vulnerability”, and being judged by outsiders.
    • "So easy on the judgment of moms whose children are struggling, please." (Erika, 24:47)

• Shannon’s Tooth (and other “shtick” moments):
  Hilarious yet slightly shady takes on Shannon’s missing molar and why it became a plot point.

  • "We need to get her some dental implants, stat." (Erika, 25:00)

• Housewives Nostalgia: Past Trips, RV Adventures, and Iconic Moments:
  Memorable stories about camping, beer pong, cheese-in-a-can, and infamous moments (e.g., Camille’s stories).

  • "All I remember is Camille telling us how she gave Kelsey a prostate massage..." (Erika, 28:21)

• Paparazzi, Secrets, & LA Life:
  Brief but telling anecdotes about running into the paparazzi and confronting rumors about “calling the paps.”

  • "Everybody's a paid actor in this town, but I do like the fact that the paparazzi stuck up for Heather." (Erika, 30:02)

• Friendship Fights & Accountability:

  • Tamara, Shannon, Gina, and Jen’s ongoing conflicts—especially over accountability and drinking accusations:
    • "Shannon tells Tamara that her life has been better the past year with Tamara not in it." (Teddi, 45:36)
    • "Tamara throws Gina under the bus, telling Shannon that Gina is worried about Shannon's drinking..." (Erika, 46:13)

• Support for Artistic Exploration:

  • Conversation about Heather Dubrow’s pursuits in comedy and singing and the broader need for women to support each other’s passions.

• Classic Housewives “Shtick” vs. Sincerity:
  Both hosts debate when behaviors cross from “real” to “repetitive gimmick”—e.g., repeated falls, props, or personal stories.

4. “Naked Wasted” Legacy and Returning to Old Drama (47:40 – 48:44)

• Discussion about Emily wanting to get Gretchen drunk is likened to the infamous "naked wasted" episode, with reflections on personal experiences of drunkenness on the show.
  • "Bottom line is you can't get hammered unless you do it yourself." (Erika, 47:56)

5. Concluding Thoughts

• Teddi appears visibly in better spirits by the end, with Erika lifting her mood—a testament to the power of genuine friendship.
  • "I just want to point out you're smiling." (Erika, 48:52)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Depression and Friendship:
  "The hopelessness is what's frightening... Sometimes you just need someone to come and sit with you." (Erika, 05:10)

• On Housewives “Shtick”:
  "It's a shtick. Don't do it." (Erika, 26:24)
  "It was shicky. And then her ash was sticky because it had dirt all over it." (Teddi, 36:33)

• Wedding Nostalgia:
  "It was one of those things, like, what a magical night. It was so magical." (Teddi, 12:21)

• On Paparazzi in LA:
  "Everybody's a paid actor in this town..." (Erika, 30:02)

• On Housewives Conflict:
  "I kind of love it. That’s why we love Tamara. She’s like, hot potato. Now it’s on you, bitch." (Erika, 46:04)

• On Growth and Joy:
  _"Anybody listening...this is a time when all of us need to...support everybody who's doing any sort of thing artistic and anything that enriches their lives." (Erika, 32:12)*

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Important Timestamps

• 03:23 – 10:51: Teddi & Erika’s honest, powerful conversation on depression and healing
• 11:02 – 12:56: Joyful wedding recap and family musings
• 14:31 – 14:46: Shannon’s comical/odd luggage choices
• 19:41 – 20:38: Heather’s podcast and Terry’s family legacy
• 24:42 – 24:52: On public judgment of mothers and reality TV vulnerability
• 25:00 – 25:59: Shannon’s missing molar – a Housewife plot point
• 28:21: Infamous Camille stories and Housewives nostalgia
• 30:02 – 30:23: Paparazzi culture and background noise in LA
• 45:14 – 47:13: Friendship fights, shifting blame, and accusations about drinking
• 47:40 – 48:44: "Naked Wasted" legacy and own experiences with drunkenness

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Summary & Takeaways

This episode delivers an unexpected dose of honesty and care, showing another side of the "Two Ts" universe through Teddi and Erika’s chemistry. The first third serves as a meaningful mental health check-in—rare for a Bravo-adjacent podcast—while the rest is astute, irreverent, and occasionally shady Housewives commentary at its best.
Key takeaways:

• Healing isn’t linear; friendship and gentle self-care are vital.
• Reality TV blurs lines between performance and life—audiences should consider empathy before judgment.
• The most memorable Housewives moments are as much about heart and humor as they are about drama.

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For listeners:
This episode is a must for anyone who wants their RHOC recaps raw, funny, and real—with a side of compassion and a shot of classic Bravo tea.

Transcript

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Run.

[Erika Jayne]

I was amazing on that show, sister. Were you? I had. I was amazing. And I was better than you would.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Erika Jayne]

I felt like you came in real.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hot, real strong, and that is just.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Erika Jayne]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, There the last One. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hi, guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the Rough with myself, Teddi Mellencamp.

[Erika Jayne]

And hi, I'm Erika Jain.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi, Erika Jayne.

[Erika Jayne]

Hi, baby. How are you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. I, like, almost needed to call you for advice because this past week has been so brutal.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. What's going on?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. I feel like. Well, I ended up getting sick.

[Erika Jayne]

Right. I text you. You got Covid.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I got Covid. Which I'm good now.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay, good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then I started feeling, like, extreme, extreme depression.

[Erika Jayne]

Ooh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, I.

[Erika Jayne]

Like, hopeless.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hopeless.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. And did you call your psychiatrist?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I called my psychiatrist. My dad flew in his assistant to be with me.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I haven't ever felt like that.

[Erika Jayne]

It's frightening.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then how long does it take to kind of bounce back from.

[Erika Jayne]

From that? Everybody's different. What did your psychiatrist say?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I mean, they changed my medications around.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And they. My psychiatrist just said, like, nobody really knows exactly what you're going through.

[Erika Jayne]

That's right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And all you can do is just, you know, try to stay as positive as you can and think about all the great things that are going on in your life. But, I mean, I didn't. I cried every single day last week.

[Erika Jayne]

Why didn't you tell me?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because I hate asking people for help.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, but you. This is the time that you lean on people. Like, you know, I would have come out here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know, but it's like.

[Erika Jayne]

I know you had Covid, but I still would have come. I would have come.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But how? When you. I mean, because.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, you can ask anything you want to ask.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay. When you are going through, like, depressive stuff, like, how long does it normally take you to kind of snap out of it?

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. So for me, my medication didn't really kick in till about four to six weeks. And I laid in bed a lot, and I had really intrusive thoughts. Are you having intrusive thoughts? Okay. So I wanted to kill myself for a very long time and thought about it a lot and then didn't. The hopelessness is what's frightening, you know, the hopelessness. And sometimes you just need someone to come and sit with you, which I will do anytime you need me to. Thank you. You're going through a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And I think, like, of course, obviously, I'm no health professional, but I think the gravity of what you've gone through is hitting you. Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, that's what I think, too. Like, I went from, like, having, like, this kind of Chaotic life, non stop. And then right into the hospital.

[Erika Jayne]

Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then I haven't been able to process.

[Erika Jayne]

Hold on. But you had one of the biggest. I don't want to say bounce backs, but that's the only word that's coming to me right now I've ever seen of anybody. Like, I'm sure your doctors, like, you shrugged this very serious diagnosis off like it was nothing. You had surgery, you were competing in horse shows, you were dating. You know, so all of those things. I say all of that to say that, like, you're caught up in all of this and now it's hitting you, like, months later, the seriousness and the gravity and it. I mean, I'm sure your psychiatrists or your. Your doctors have said it's kind of normal.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. They said that it's normal to feel this way and just to kind of keep going through. You know, you just have to keep going through it and. But it was really scary.

[Erika Jayne]

It is scary, isn't it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Because it's almost like, who am I? Why? I've never felt this way. You've never felt so low.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And I was worried it wasn't going to stop.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Erika Jayne]

That's what I was worried about was how can this. How can I pull myself out of this? Because you and I are very proactive, whether it be fitness, nutrition, your family, your schedule. You know, you're somebody that had your entire life scheduled down to the minute when something like this is overwhelming. And you feel. Did you feel paralyzed?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I felt paralyzed. And like, that's why it's, like, hard for me to even, like, send a text message or reach out to anybody or. And then, you know, when it comes to work stuff, like. I love work.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, you do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love it. And I like the brain fog and all those types of things. It's just like, I can't stand it.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. But I think you need to be a little bit. You need to cut yourself a break right here and not be so hard on yourself. You're hard on yourself anyway.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Like at your best of times, like, really hard on yourself. I think you really have to be gentle with yourself right here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Also know that this is not forever, but the more you resist and the more you fight, the worse it kind of gets in your head.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Like, you have to move this. I hate. Because I hated it so much. So like, anybody listening? Like, I wasn't the best at this either because I started acting out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, that's what I was doing before, but now I don't even have the energy to act out.

[Erika Jayne]

I understand. I understand. And I think that. I think your faith is strong. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Very strong.

[Erika Jayne]

This is where you really need to lean into your faith and everyone around you and know that people are here. No, I don't know exactly what you're going through. Okay. I don't. But I do know what it's like to feel that way. And I think this is a time when all of us need to. You know, you can call me any time, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you.

[Erika Jayne]

And I mean that. Like, you're welcome to call me 24 hours a day. If you can send the text now, I'm going to be calling you. Yeah, I will, but. And I understand if you don't answer, but I think that you need someone with you all the time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Someone needs to be with you just because you don't need to be alone with your own thoughts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Because that rumination can get into a place where it's just really heavy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then you're just, like. You feel so stuck.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And like, I still can't drive. I felt like I was just stuck inside of this house. And then I think Covid added to it.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, that's. Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I was like, holy shit. I haven't felt like this, I don't think, ever, ever, ever in my life. And then you start wondering, like, did I make a mistake? Did I need to change?

[Erika Jayne]

Like, you didn't make a mistake, honey. Okay? That's. You did not make a mistake. You don't need to apologize for anything. You don't need to go back and relive the past. You need to take in this moment and. Has your new medication started to kick in?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think it started to kick in, like, I feel pretty good today.

[Erika Jayne]

Good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I feel pretty good today. But today is probably the first day, but, I mean, luckily for Paxlovid got me through the COVID pretty quickly.

[Erika Jayne]

Good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Testing negative. So I was like, phew, now I can leave my house.

[Erika Jayne]

Yes. And you do need to leave your house, Even if it's just to walk around the block.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like, yesterday I was like, okay, I'll go get my nails done.

[Erika Jayne]

Nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I went and got a pedi.

[Erika Jayne]

Good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So, you know, it's what it is. Then I watched Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. Which we'll get into. I watched it, too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hold on. Should we talk a little bit about the wedding?

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, okay. Well, yes. You. First off, I'm so happy you came, and I think you had a good time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I had such it was such a beautiful wedding.

[Erika Jayne]

It was so pretty. And their speeches were insane.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Insane.

[Erika Jayne]

The fact that they've known each other since the third grade, and he used to spend the night in his car outside of their home waiting for her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

To wake up so they could spend more time together.

[Erika Jayne]

So, like, they were meant to be together.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like that love story. It really got me.

[Erika Jayne]

I saw Kyle the other night at the NBC Emmy party, and I said to her, like, you know, there aren't many happy marriages in my family. Where I come from, we don't have events like that. And I'll never have a family like that. Brothers and sisters and things like that. But I was so happy to have, like, witnessed that. I know that sounds corny, but it was so special. And singing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, and singing. Well, when they got up on stage and were singing, I was like, who's that beautiful voice? And the fact that it was.

[Erika Jayne]

It's coming out of Alexia.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was like, oh, my goodness.

[Erika Jayne]

And their first dance, which was totally adorable, complete with lifts and turns, and it was precious.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I, I, it was one of those things, like, I was like, what a magical night. It was so magical. And it was, it was nice to have to see everybody.

[Erika Jayne]

Everybody was really happy you were there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And I was happy to see Rinna. She's so fun.

[Erika Jayne]

She's a good time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She cracks me up.

[Erika Jayne]

You guys are having a good time over there at your table?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Your table. Who was at your table?

[Erika Jayne]

Alex, myself, Sutton, who's on the edge. I think Justin was at my table. And who was across from us? I forget. But yeah, we had a great time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Erika Jayne]

It was beautiful. It was really pretty.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was so happy.

[Erika Jayne]

The flowers were gorgeous, the candles, the food was good. Everybody there. It was really nice. And when I, I didn't think I was gonna cry, but when I saw Kyle come down and wait for her, I just was like, oh, God, Erica, stop. You know, this doesn't even have anything to do with me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I cried, too. And I loved that. It just felt, it felt. Even though it was a big wedding, it felt so intimate.

[Erika Jayne]

It felt like everyone there really knew the couple. Yeah. It didn't feel like a business event.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, it was, it was lovely. Ugh, it was so nice. Probably more lovely than going to temecula for a 24 hour trip.

[Erika Jayne]

I would say I'd rather go to Alexia's wedding, like, every day of the week than have to go to Temecula once. Even though the house looked really good. That house was quite beautiful.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The House was beautiful, but okay, so it starts off. Tamara calls Shannon invites her on a 24 hour venue trip to Temecula. Shannon is hesitant to go on the trip because she doesn't know which Tamara she's going to get. Valid point, valid point. Also, she couldn't even make an effort to be like no or yes. She was like, ah.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, two things I think are at play here. She can't say no and we both know why. So eh was probably her way of saying no. But I have to, if I were to translate it, you know, you all know what I'm saying without me saying it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She was like, eh, Eh. But why did she pack all those kitchen supplies? We didn't see any cooking.

[Erika Jayne]

Purely for kitsch and effect. I was like, it's a shtick. And then when nobody's cooking on this shit, like, stop with all the games.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then Shannon, Gina and Jen meet for lunch. Gina and Jen tell Shannon they said yes to going on Tamara's Tula trip. Gina thinks that it would be an opportunity for Shannon and Tamara to clear some things out. Gina was going to town on her. You know how we always said it's hard to eat on camera with her artichoke biting it with full.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, she must have been hungry that day. And now what? It's interesting you should bring that up, because I was watching them eat, and I was like, I hate eating on camera.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. We've talked about this.

[Erika Jayne]

You know we've talked about this. Never eat on camera. Yet here we are, eating on camera.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Eating on camera.

[Erika Jayne]

That artichoke must have been good. And then Heather records her episode of her podcast with Dylan Mulberry, which was very good. And I thought, maybe I should listen to Heather's podcast.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She has a new one. It's on I heart. Actually, it's called Between Us.

[Erika Jayne]

Cute.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Her and Terry have a podcast together.

[Erika Jayne]

That's kind of adorable.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Erika Jayne]

Do they have a good time? Have you heard it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I haven't heard it, but I think that they probably have.

[Erika Jayne]

Maybe they should invite us over and we could really chat it out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, we should do a double.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, we should. We should actually, like, you know. Yeah, we should go over there and.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Bullshit with them because, I mean, I think he's hilarious.

[Erika Jayne]

He's great.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Did you know his brother was, like, a fucking rock star?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, his brother was, like, the lead singer. Don't quote. Is it Rat or Quiet Riot?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Really?

[Erika Jayne]

Fuck, yeah. I mean, he's no longer on this planet, but yeah, his brother was, like, a legit guy. Was it Quiet Riot?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Quiet, Right.

[Erika Jayne]

The lead. A quiet Riot. Come on, feel the noise. Jerry Dubrow's brother. That.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How did I not know that?

[Erika Jayne]

Do you think your dad might have known him in passing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. Let's ask.

[Erika Jayne]

Ask to ask the Cougs.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We'll ask the Cougs. Cougs. Did you know him?

[Erika Jayne]

No. Well, Cougs knows everybody. I mean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, the Cougs knows a lot of the Cougs has Farm Aid this weekend, by the way, guys.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, is it still going? I love that. He's a big. He's like one of the leaders. Is Willie showing up for that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know if Willie is. I would imagine.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, Willie's so old. It's so fabulous. I'm not saying that in a bad way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Normally, it's like Willie Dave Matthews.

[Erika Jayne]

You know what? I like it that your dad has been so involved with that for so long.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, he's so passionate about it.

[Erika Jayne]

But he should be.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And that's why I was like, couldn't even believe that he sent his assistant out. I'm like, during Farm Aid. You must really love me.

[Erika Jayne]

You must have farm made down, though.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then Emily and Jen help out at an animal shelter, which was cute. It was cute. While there, Emily opens up about Luke and how she coddles him and how Shane thinks Emily is rewarding bad behavior by doing that.

[Erika Jayne]

I have a question. Is Shane. And forgive me for not knowing, is Shane their dad? Or does she have kids with another person?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or he has kids with another person.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay, but these twins are theirs.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. But also. Did you hear that? And I'm trying not to do shade. I'm just confused by it. That they're doing Wife Swap.

[Erika Jayne]

What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

They're doing the show Wife Swap.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

Emily and Shane are doing it.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

With. Who are their partners? Who are they swapping with?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We don't know exactly who.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, I. I mean, that's. This is a hard time to do that. I mean, we're.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, my God. With the boys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. We've had the whole season talking about Luke. I know. And now they're gonna switch families.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Me neither.

[Erika Jayne]

But Emily knows best what's right with her family.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she does. But, like, I don't. Maybe she signed up for this before.

[Erika Jayne]

Maybe it's a contractual obligation. That's where I'm going.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's hope that that's the case.

[Erika Jayne]

I do want to say this, though. Yeah. I see how Emily and Shane's marriage. Like, I get it. I think that again, and I've said this before, men and women process things differently, and that's always gonna be a thing. Like, I view it. But this is a tough spot, you know, because I feel. It's hard because, you know, Emily talks about how the other children haven't gotten as much focus as Luke has. And she kind of said, I'm paraphrasing, They'll be okay, but at the same time, are they. I mean, it's just. It's really hard on a family.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Erika Jayne]

All this is really hard on a family.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's really hard on the family. And especially. But do you think that it's, like, to the point where it's causing Emily and Shane so much stress, that it's gonna hurt them? No, I don't think so either. I think they're a strong couple.

[Erika Jayne]

I think they're a strong couple. And I also think that at times like this, you really find out what your marriage is made of. You'll be fine. Yeah, I don't think that this is going to rip them apart.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Me neither.

[Erika Jayne]

They'll probably go to counseling, which all couples. All married couples in my Opinion should go to anyway.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, maybe they're already in counseling.

[Erika Jayne]

I hope so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think it's just hard to record these types of things. Film. Talking about your son, nobody wants to talk about.

[Erika Jayne]

That's very heartbreaking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's. It's.

[Erika Jayne]

It's really. I don't think people quite understand, like, yes, we are on these reality TV shows to share our lives. And while it's so much more fun to go to a winery and talk about, you know, when you're talking about your children being. Having problems, that hits on a whole other level. That's really being vulnerable for all of us. For every woman that's ever been on any one of these shows.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And because not only do you have to continue to live through it again and again and again, you're also subject.

[Erika Jayne]

To everybody else's opinion. Opinion of it again and again and again.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So easy on the judgment of moms whose children are struggling, please.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, for sure. I have another question for you.

[Erika Jayne]

I have an answer.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Shannon's missing a tooth and never got.

[Erika Jayne]

A. I didn't like that. Didn't need to see that. Don't think that's the best. We need to get her some dental implants, stat. I saw that, Dr. Rashti. She keeps coming up on the TV. I don't know if she's any good or not, but she probably gave you some free teeth. Yeah, I didn't like that. I don't hurt. And she called it her flipper.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, flipper isn't that.

[Erika Jayne]

I thought that was something in that old school MGM thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Flipper.

[Erika Jayne]

Like Judy Garland.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think a flipper is like when you are in beauty pageants and you're.

[Erika Jayne]

Missing your baby teeth.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

And so. And so they give you the teeth. The flipper. And so that you. When you smile and wave, you have the full smile. Smile. Yeah, that's what I thought it was, too. I didn't need to know she was missing a molar.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I didn't.

[Erika Jayne]

You know what I mean?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, no, I didn't need to know. But why didn't she get it put back in or find it, buy a new one?

[Erika Jayne]

Is it the facelift was too much for the molars? I mean, Shannon couldn't get alone on the mo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have a molar in now. Send us a quick selfie, please. Is your molar back in or.

[Erika Jayne]

No, I'm being shady about the teeth. My apologies, but don't show it to us and then I won't have to be. It was shocking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was shocking.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Just like, mm, mm. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, okay. Okay, then. In Temecula, Shannon unpacks her suitcase filled with pots, pans, and baking supplies.

[Erika Jayne]

Could've left it at home. It's a schtick. Don't do it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And, like, what was she gonna whip up and win?

[Erika Jayne]

Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. I mean, which I feel like you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Think she just wanted to have a lot of luggage.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. For camera.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, what's she going to make, a gazpacho?

[Erika Jayne]

Not a goddamn thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, why did she need the blending thing?

[Erika Jayne]

She doesn't. She had brought her own, like, blender to make her own, like, protein shake or something. Yeah, like, I get all that, but, like, pots and pans.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Pots and pans. Maybe they're her pots and pans.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, I mean, we did have to cook this year. It was a disaster. But that's just, you know, who did the cooking, Kyle? Allegedly. All of us. Not me. Could have told you that was up. And we went to bed hungry and a little, you know, and it was my birthday, so it was like, what.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you guys cook?

[Erika Jayne]

I don't know, because it never got completed. Everybody started a dish, and it was way lame.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you remember what we ate when we were on the camping trip in the rv?

[Erika Jayne]

Okay, first off, I was thinking of that the other day, and I was thinking, like, how much fun we were having. I just know that Dorit killed us at beer pong.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh.

[Erika Jayne]

She was so good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She was so good.

[Erika Jayne]

She was so good. I remember eating the pumpkin pie for breakfast. I remember us going to the grocery store, and you were like, we only need one main and two sides. Meanwhile, it was like cheese balls and brownie mix.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, we were using. What is that? The cheese that you like. Squeeze.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, squirt cheese. Yeah, like, hello. I mean, easy cheese or something like this. Not cheese at all. But we were using that on crackers.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know, but where did we have dinner?

[Erika Jayne]

Did we make dinner? It's not coming to me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Me either. Oh, yeah, that's right. We got in an argument with Camille because Camille, like, wanted to be in charge of the grill. And then, like, all I remember is.

[Erika Jayne]

Camille telling us how she gave Kelsey a prostate massage that. I don't remember the grilling incident, but I do remember Camille with the prostate massage. And I remember you're back and forth with her about the Playboy thing. Oh, her body was rocking. I mean, it was fucking major.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was rocking. But she was being judgy about something, I think.

[Erika Jayne]

And I was like, yeah, we need to all quit. Yeah. Like, yeah, you're naked.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I wasn't having it. And then Heather hosts a sleepover with Emily and Gretchen. But first, the girls go shopping in Beverly Hills and run into paparazzi. She says she knows for a fact that Heather did not call the paparazzi at Disneyland. Emily wonders if they just ran into a paid actor.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, Emily's a paid actor, so you ran into one of your own. So, I mean, like, quit it. Who cares? You know?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, but it's a very random coincidental. Like, it's not like every single paparazzi knows each other.

[Erika Jayne]

I have a note.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Erika Jayne]

My storage unit was broken into, so I was making a police report yesterday.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, gosh, I'm sorry.

[Erika Jayne]

Hold on. And then I had to go to the gym. As I'm walking into the gym, who meets me there? The paparazzi that was asking me if my storage unit was broken into. So I'm gonna X out on this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I was like, did the fucking storage unit call you and tell you, or did you just. How the were you following me from my house to the storage unit and saw me and then followed me to the gym to ask me this tacky question? So I've had it with that whole line of shit. So everybody's a paid actor in this town, but I do like the fact that the paparazzi stuck up for Heather.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I liked it, too, But I also was like, they don't all know each other.

[Erika Jayne]

They don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They don't.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, it's small, but I mean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But also, I don't care if she called the paparazzi.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't either. I don't either. It's just not that important. I know I didn't call it yesterday, and I found it fucking annoying and intrusive in my life, but that's my relationship with that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, anytime the paparazzi gets me, it's at my very worst.

[Erika Jayne]

Exactly. Like, I mean, my shit got stolen. Like, do you think that I fucking. How do you think I fucking feel? Thanks.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you. Can we also talk about how Heather and Gretchen are dressed for two totally different weather.

[Erika Jayne]

I noticed that, too. Gretchen looks like she's in New York City.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And Heather is wearing a little strap, like, black adorable dress. But Gretchen looks like it's fall or winter. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was like.

[Erika Jayne]

And Heather looks like it's summertime.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What is going on this com. This. This combo of three was a little bit interesting.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, it was interesting.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was interesting. Then we're back at the winery. Tamara starts yelling, do you like me again, Shannon? And then goes, I think Jen likes me again, too. Gina thinks Tamara isn't doing this right.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, nobody's gonna like you more. When you say, do you like, like me?

[Erika Jayne]

The answer is no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

No. You're actually on my nerves.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And now it's getting worse.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Yeah. Now it's getting worse. Just leave it alone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Not the best.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not the best.

[Erika Jayne]

At dinner, Heather brings up taking classes at the Groundlings in Temecula. The women question Heather doing a comedy improv, Emily. Okay, so just side note on this. Heather Dubrow is very talented, and she's a very talented singer and had her own, like, band. And I know we kind of share the same voice coach, and not to say his name, but he was like, no, she can sing. Yeah, she's talented, y'. All. Like, she's a talented actress. She's a talented singer. I don't know if she's a dancer or not, but.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But if it makes her happy, what is. What's the problem with it?

[Erika Jayne]

Who cares? She's talented. Let her live her life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let her live her life and let her do things that are going to give her more joy.

[Erika Jayne]

This is what this is about. Like, and we should be supporting her. And just, like, we need to support everybody who's doing any sort of thing on artistic and anything that enriches their lives, right? Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, hell, I would do anything right now to find something that I.

[Erika Jayne]

Really love, that you loved and, like, just like you sunk your teeth into.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And my new version of riding horses. I need to find it.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, you do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I need to.

[Erika Jayne]

When was the last time you got on horse?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Probably three months ago.

[Erika Jayne]

Ms. It.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I miss it like crazy.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, then we need to get on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. I need to try.

[Erika Jayne]

Ooh, would you go, like, ride some nag with me around, like, some canyon?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. It's a date. I'm gonna pick you up and we'll go.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's do it.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. Yeah, I'll schedule that. I'll find. Let's. Let's get Jen on it, and we'll. We'll. And I'll come get you and we'll go riding. Not. Not riding in the way you ride, but just get on a horse and look at pretty.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did that once also when we filmed.

[Erika Jayne]

We did that in Germany.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, well, no, we've done it twice then in Germany when the horses were all taking off. But then also I think it was me, you, and possibly dorit we went riding and then we went to the Mexican restaurant.

[Erika Jayne]

Suburban. Maybe we should. I mean. Yes, maybe we should do that at Griffith Park. Yes, maybe we should do that. That was kind of fun. And then go to the Mexican place and have a cocktail.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, perfect.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Okay, perfect. We're in. That was fun. Actually. We were getting along. Dorit showed up in all Chanel. I had on, like, we had shit on the ride. Yeah, we have in a ponytail and just, like, denim. Yeah, let's go do that. That's actually closer because there's one out on Sunset. I mean, like Malibu, but that's probably not a great place right now. Yeah, let's go over there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That would be fun.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay, we'll set it up. Jennifer listening. Who, by the way, did crush Don't Stop Believin. Do you remember when she sang that at the wedding?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yes.

[Erika Jayne]

I was kind of shocked. Even the high note.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Eve, like, we.

[Erika Jayne]

She was. She was on the microphone. So. Jen, shout out to you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Shout out to you. You nailed it. And I loved, like, her background dancers knew, right? Not background dancers, but background singers knew right, when to pull back and let Jen.

[Erika Jayne]

Let her have her moment. No, it was great. It was great. It was great.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jen is one of our besties, Just so everybody knows. And she is just always such fun.

[Erika Jayne]

She's a good time, but she loves you very much. She's such a good friend to all of us, but especially she loves you and Kyle very much. She's just. She's really a giving soul. Yeah, she's very giving.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Beyond.

[Erika Jayne]

Emily brings up that Jen had asked if Heather pacifies Tamara because she's scared of her. This is like the oldest housewife trick in the book. You're not saying it because you're scared of her. You know what? I think this is my take. She don't want to fucking fight with her. Like, it's old. Yeah, it's just like, I'm not afraid of you. I'm fucking tired of you. Like, I know what you're going to do, and so I don't want to deal with you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it's not worth it.

[Erika Jayne]

It's not worth it because it never goes anywhere. And it just is like, it's t. Are you afraid of her? It's like, no. She gets on my nerves and I really don't want to hear it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But also, I think she's like.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, that's how I feel.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, I think she also likes her, comparatively speaking.

[Erika Jayne]

Of course she does. They do get along.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think they get along, and I think.

[Erika Jayne]

And that's fine. And you know what? You don't always want to, like, nail somebody over that shit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think that Heather has empathy, which a lot of people don't.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think Heather can see when a friend is going through a rough time.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Heather gets a bad rap. She gets shit on for, like, not being. But she's just different. And I kind of. And we've said this before. What? You know, she lets the women be themselves.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So you don't always have to fight with somebody to show that you don't like their behavior or something like that. You can just be like, you're on my nerves.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How'd you feel about the behavior when the girls walked through the vineyard and once again, Shannon's falling down?

[Erika Jayne]

Um, yeah. I mean, it looked like, you know. How did you feel?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I just was like this.

[Erika Jayne]

It felt like I'm not gonna pick her up because I don't want dirt on my outfit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And I'm not gonna strain my back, you know?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But it just. It's. It felt like, to me, the same way as bringing all the cooking supplies.

[Erika Jayne]

It is. It's a shtick.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's a shtick.

[Erika Jayne]

It came off as shticky.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was shicky. And then her ash was sticky because it had dirt all over it.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna fall down, like, eat. Like, when Dorit bit the dust in the sand, it was so good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My gosh. I thought you were gonna talk about when Dorit almost fell down at the wedding. I forgot about that. Something like that. So it was.

[Erika Jayne]

So to give a backstory.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Just to give backstory. The wedding, it was not a place to wear, like, huge shoes.

[Erika Jayne]

Because even though we all did, even I was guilty.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But Dorit had on probably, like, I don't know, 10 inch.

[Commercial Announcer]

She wears big shoes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Big shoes. And so you walk up these stairs, and there's, like, these little rocks, and as she's, like, wintering, I'm laughing because.

[Erika Jayne]

We almost, all of us, like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I was like, believe me, I had my own. I wasn't even wearing big shoes. And I had my own.

[Erika Jayne]

I had my own process. I have my own problems. And I was wearing big shoes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. But it was. I. I. And then, like, this random man, like, caught her.

[Erika Jayne]

It was full Dorit style.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was full Dorit.

[Erika Jayne]

It was just. But even, like, even walking down the aisle, the place to our seats was tough.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That was tough. I don't. The girls nailed it, though. When they walked the girls.

[Erika Jayne]

Nailed it. How beautiful were those girls?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh my gosh. And all the dresses.

[Erika Jayne]

It looks so pretty.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Coordinated but not too coordinated.

[Erika Jayne]

Not too coordinated. Like it was beautiful. It was a beautiful night. Full moon. It was gorgeous.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then after they're walking through the vineyard, Gina says Heather presented the story of the in quotes fat photo, which.

[Erika Jayne]

She never said fat photo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She never said it.

[Erika Jayne]

Heavy. You were heavier at that time.

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[Erika Jayne]

Okay. The girls arrive at dinner in Temecula, and Tamara brings up the heavy photo to Jen and apologizes. And Tamara thinks no one wants to accept her apology, which is kind of true, because Tamara, you give a lot of content, and then they just spit it right back at you. And so, yeah, and she explains that Tamara explains that her issue with Jen started because Jen had Ryan go to Cabo with them while bringing Will to her house. Hold on. But then the. The comeback was so somebody was having an affair. But then the. Then it got turned around that Tamara was having an affair with Eddie while she was married to someone else. See, I did not know this because I'm a new Orange county watcher. I didn't know any of this. So I was like, oh, oh, well.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, of course it's going to get talked about.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. I just didn't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, but I meant, like, it's gonna get talked about that she.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay, so it's basically, it's the same behavior, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or allegedly. I don't know. Is it confirmed that they did?

[Erika Jayne]

Here's the thing. I don't really care when anybody, like, it's not any of my business who has an affair now. I'm not married to you. Shit happens in adult relationships. Let's not throw it in people's spaces.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, but I think the.

[Commercial Announcer]

Am I wrong?

[Erika Jayne]

Like, you know, you had an affair? Well, yeah. Who gives a fuck? Like, you're not fucking the guy. I am. So.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But if you went on a vacation With.

[Erika Jayne]

That's a no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. And then you come back, and then you have to see the person's husband.

[Erika Jayne]

That's. Okay. So Tom Girardi had the greatest rule ever. And you guys can say what you want to say, but this was a good one. He said, we, meaning he and I, are never going to dinner or drinks or anywhere with anyone's girlfriend. Slash, side piece. Even though he had a million. Okay. But. Yeah, because. And he was correct about this. So take his own indiscretions out of it. He was like, what I don't want to have happen is you and I say the wrong thing or mix up the wrong date, and then we're in the middle of something. And that's the problem with this. Yeah. That's. You know, it's like, oh, girl. Say I was. You know, you go on a vacation with somebody you're not supposed to be going on a vacation with, and then other people see you, and then they have to pretend like they don't know. It's just dragging people in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. It brings people in, and then they all, all of a sudden have to be held accountable to.

[Erika Jayne]

Right. And then the person who's getting cheated on goes to you. Let's just say. Why didn't you tell me? It's like, it. Was it my place?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I didn't know that homegirl was coming on the vacation. Yeah. So like I said, even though Tom had a whole lot of. In his own indiscretion suite, he was smart. He was pretty smooth about this one.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He knew how to navigate for a.

[Erika Jayne]

While until he got away from him. Yeah. You know, happens to all of us. Here's to you, honey.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then Shannon gets involved and starts yelling at Tamara, saying she doesn't ever take accountability. Shannon tells Tamara that she goes low and everyone has just to forgive her.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, we've heard this both back and forth for years. Nothing. No revelation here, Ann.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, well, I mean, I think the problem here is Tam says if she wants to go to 0 to 100, she needs to let them breathe and work slowly through their friendship.

[Erika Jayne]

I believe that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

It's smart.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I think it's the most reasonable thing you can say.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Shannon tells Tamara that her life has been better the past year with Tamara not in it. And Shannon expresses how hard last year was for her with Tamara calling her an alcoholic. I'm sure that that is true. Calling someone an alcoholic does hurt your friends. And if you've had the best year of your life without Tamara being in your life, Tamara probably doesn't care. Shannon. She's really not going to sweat it. I'm just going to tell you. Nobody really cares.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What about Tamara's amazing pivot where she lobs it over to Gina?

[Erika Jayne]

I kind of love it. That's why we love Tamara. She's like, hot potato. Now it's on you, bitch. I kind of love it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Watch this.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, I watch this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who actually really thinks you have a problem, Right?

[Erika Jayne]

Exactly. Actually, it's her, which I kind of listen. Hey, this is where it gets cute. Tamara throws Gina under the bus, telling Shannon that Gina is worried about Shannon's drinking. And Gina admits that she does worry about Shannon. Reasonable. Yeah, I mean, it's reasonable to worry about Shannon. She hit a house. She hit a house and maybe lost the molar.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you think she lost the molar there?

[Erika Jayne]

I'm just being rude. And Shannon, if you're listening, girl, you know I think your fears, but I have to be up here talking shit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Shannon, if you're here, half my teeth are fake.

[Erika Jayne]

So, yeah, no, everybody's got veneers or something. I don't, but, yeah, I mean, I would worry about Shannon's drinking, too, but then the Tamara encouraged her to have a cocktail in New Orleans.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So, I mean, y', all really. It's, you know, it's a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I think next week it's gonna get pretty juicy.

[Erika Jayne]

I do, too. Listen, once again, I enjoyed this episode. At first, I'm like. When I watch these episodes, to be honest, I'm kind of like, okay, like, what's really gonna happen? And then by the end, I'm like, that was cute.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, that was fun. I don't. You know, the ladies are working hard. They're putting it out there, and, you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Know, they're doing everything they can.

[Erika Jayne]

They're doing everything they can to entertain and to make it happen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I was a little bit curious when Heather, Gretchen, and Emily were at dinner. And Emily alludes to the fact that she wants to get Gretchen hammered.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So her vagina hangs out, Right? I'm like, this is kind of similar.

[Erika Jayne]

To naked wasted, but maybe Emily's just wanting to see if Gretchen's vagina will come out and if she needs to go to the hospital again or not. I mean, I don't know. Bottom line is you can't get hammered unless you do it yourself. Like, nobody's gonna. This is a show where everybody should be adult enough to clock their own beverages. I have been not naked and wasted, but I've been wasted on this show. A couple of times. Oh yeah. Oh, one of your best performances, by.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The way, my most liked episode.

[Erika Jayne]

I didn't know you smoked cigarettes with the crew and all kinds of shit. I was like, who Miss health and fitness. I hear now I need a chip at it. I'm like, who are you right now?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh my gosh. Those were the days. Oh my gosh. Well, you guys, thank you for tuning in to another episode.

[Erika Jayne]

I just want to point out you're smiling.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know that because you make me laugh.

[Erika Jayne]

Good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm glad that's the point. Why do you think I have you here?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, to hopefully make you smile and feel good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Make me laugh, yes. But I appreciate you guys for tuning in to another episode of Diamonds in the Rough. And we will be back. I know that we're slightly delayed, but we will be back recapping the next episode soon.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, don't get mad at us. We got a lot going on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're doing the best we can.

[Erika Jayne]

She's got a lot going on. We're doing the best we can over here. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time. Foreign.

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[Erika Jayne]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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