No More Kenya Moore? (RHOA Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode Title: No More Kenya Moore? (RHOA Recap)
Release Date: April 8, 2025
Host/Authors: Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod, hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge delve into the latest drama surrounding Kenya Moore on The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA). The episode focuses on recent events that have stirred significant controversy, raising questions about Kenya's future on the show.

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2. Kenya Moore’s Salon Grand Opening Incident

[03:37]
Tamra kicks off the discussion by recounting the dramatic events at Kenya Moore's salon grand opening. She describes how Kenya’s actions overshadowed the evening, leading to turmoil among the cast members.

Tamra Judge:
"She arrived late with Kelly, and despite the grand setup, Kenya decided to throw down, bringing unforeseen drama into what was supposed to be a celebratory event."
[04:29]

Teddi Mellencamp:
"Kenya put up offensive poster boards and made a controversial comment about Brit having a pistol. It was a tense moment that took everyone by surprise."
[05:03]

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3. Analyzing Kenya's Behavior

The hosts analyze Kenya’s behavior, exploring the possible motivations and implications of her actions.

Tamra Judge:
"Kenya's overreaction was the nail in the coffin for her standing in the group. She brought unnecessary negativity to a significant event."
[35:16]

Teddi Mellencamp:
"Throwing threats, like bringing up a pistol, is unacceptable. It not only disturbs the peace but also tarnishes her reputation on the show."
[07:31]

They discuss whether Kenya’s actions were a calculated move or a genuine emotional outburst, considering her history and personality traits.

Tamra Judge:
"Kenya doesn't seem like someone who naturally reaches out or checks on people unless prompted. This behavior is out of character and alarming."
[30:55]

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4. Group Dynamics and Reactions

The conversation shifts to how other housewives have reacted to Kenya’s actions and the overall group dynamics.

Teddi Mellencamp:
"Brit should have been given a cooling-off period after her confrontation with Kenya. It's vital for maintaining harmony within the group."
[11:06]

Tamra Judge:
"Portia did a great job defending Kenya but also offering Brit constructive advice. It's essential to balance accountability with support."
[08:50]

The hosts express their concerns about ongoing tensions and the potential for further conflict if the current issues aren't resolved.

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5. Potential Future Scenarios for Kenya Moore

Teddi and Tamra speculate on Kenya Moore’s future with RHOA, debating whether her actions will lead to her departure from the show.

Tamra Judge:
"Based on Kenya's behavior, the decision was made to cease filming with her this season. It doesn't explicitly say she was fired, but the implications are clear."
[40:25]

Teddi Mellencamp:
"Kenya Moore is no more. Her outburst has effectively ended her role on the show for now."
[40:34]

They consider whether Kenya will return in future seasons or if the damage is irreparable.

Tamra Judge:
"I think they'll still bring her back for the reunion, but her position is uncertain moving forward."
[48:36]

Teddi Mellencamp:
"If anything, Kenya can redeem herself at the reunion, but the path back will be rocky."
[48:46]

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6. Conclusion

In wrapping up, Teddi and Tamra reflect on the broader implications of Kenya’s actions for RHOA and reality TV dynamics.

Tamra Judge:
"Kenya went too far, and while suspension might have been a better approach, her actions speak louder than any reprimand."
[44:30]

Teddi Mellencamp:
"It's a lesson in how not to handle conflict. Kenya's overstep has not only affected her standing but also the group's cohesion."
[37:16]

They express anticipation for how these events will unfold in future episodes and seasons, emphasizing the importance of conflict resolution and maintaining group harmony.

Tamra Judge:
"This episode was pivotal, and I'm curious to see how the rest of the season progresses without Kenya."
[49:07]

Teddi Mellencamp:
"We watch and learn from these events, understanding the importance of managing emotions and conflicts effectively."
[35:26]

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Notable Quotes

• Tamra Judge:
  "Kenya’s overreaction was the nail in the coffin for her standing in the group."
  [35:16]

• Teddi Mellencamp:
  "Throwing threats, like bringing up a pistol, is unacceptable."
  [07:31]

• Tamra Judge:
  "This episode was pivotal, and I'm curious to see how the rest of the season progresses without Kenya."
  [49:07]

• Teddi Mellencamp:
  "Kenya Moore is no more. Her outburst has effectively ended her role on the show for now."
  [40:34]

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Final Thoughts

Two Ts In A Pod provides an insightful and candid analysis of the latest RHOA drama, offering listeners a deep dive into Kenya Moore’s controversial actions and their repercussions. Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge blend humor with sharp observations, making this episode a must-listen for fans seeking a thorough understanding of the unfolding reality TV saga.

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Transcript

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Showed them who's boss.

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They would rush up and say, not bad for chicks.

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Two teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

Welcome back to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Today we. Hello. Hello. You are still in Ireland?

[Laura Carenti]

I am.

[Tamara Judge]

How's it going? You having fun?

[Laura Carenti]

I am. You know, Ireland is a very relaxing place. You just drink and eat and that's it. But so if you saw Paul's mom, he put a post for his mom, you know, we're here for her one year anniversary. We did the mass. That was very nice to go to the house and see the family. But tonight he doesn't know. What he doesn't know is he made a. He wrote a song for her, which I did not know. He's been working on it for like a year. So the lyrics he put on his caption, he goes, did you read my caption for my mother? I said, no. He goes, it's actually a song and I'd love to have it made into with music and have someone sing it. I'd love to hear someone sing that.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe Ashley Darby's available.

[Laura Carenti]

Well, she wasn't. She's busy hiding. But she said she got a bad edit so I didn't want to bother. I think she's in a bad mood. So I did find someone. I might.

[Tamara Judge]

I might be available.

[Laura Carenti]

If you're available. That would have been great. But I needed somebody in person. I didn't think he'd be able to come here. No, I just needed someone in person. Yes. One thing you know about Ireland and everyone can sing. Everybody can sing. Don't. Don't try to do Any karaoke here, because you will get destroyed. I know a. A DJ here named Connor.

[Tamara Judge]

Of course you do.

[Laura Carenti]

And I reached out to him, and he said, I do know some people that could probably make a song and sing it. So I have a woman showing up tonight to sing it for.

[Tamara Judge]

Surprise him.

[Laura Carenti]

Yeah, he made. She made a song out.

[Tamara Judge]

He's not in the room, is he?

[Laura Carenti]

No, he's got my father walking and drinking somewhere, so. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Well, we had. We had a good time with the Ashley Darby.

[Laura Carenti]

Oh, we had some fun.

[Tamara Judge]

So we were. We're on a group chat, and we were given our best. Killing me softly with his words. And we were putting it on the. And by the way, we are the worst singers ever.

[Laura Carenti]

We. She would have felt better if she heard us. I. I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I feel like we should publish ours.

[Laura Carenti]

My favorite thing. Well, go right ahead. No shame in anything, huh?

[Tamara Judge]

She. She redid it, though. She redid it on another platform, and it did sound better.

[Laura Carenti]

I love that for her. My favorite thing I could tell about all of this was the saxophone player's face.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't catch that.

[Laura Carenti]

If no one saw that. I'll be sending it to you later. Listen, Ashley, we're not gonna. We're not gonna kick this around. You got a bad edit. That's it.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what she said. She got a bad.

[Laura Carenti]

That's your story, and I'll buy it. You got a bad edit, sis. That's all.

[Tamara Judge]

Ashley.

[Laura Carenti]

We love you, Ashley.

[Tamara Judge]

We do. We're just poking. That's what we do. This episode. So much to talk about. From pistols to pornography. Printed them out. Angela Britt go to Shamia's house. Shamia says she appreciates Angela's accepting her apology and moving forward. Brit says she acted a fool at the bank last night, to say the least. Right. Well, the owner of the venue was upset because of what happened, and I probably don't blame her. But Brit says she was fed up with Kenya's interrupting her and felt disrespected.

[Laura Carenti]

I am triggered by aloofness, snobbiness. I don't like that.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm triggered by the fact that she's threatened her with a trigger.

[Laura Carenti]

But, yes, and that can get under my skin. However, she showed a side of herself that she has to understand, is all. I'll see now. That is all I'm going. You can apologize and come back from that. You can move on from it. But now I know what you're capable of. Well, that's.

[Tamara Judge]

That's the thing. When you Go to that low or to something like that. Like, I can get mad and tell everybody to fuck off. But if you're getting mad and saying, I have guns and whips. So she said, pistols and whips. That's a whole nother situation.

[Laura Carenti]

She does. Now, does she carry? Like, you'll see. Like, somebody asked, is she packing? That's what we say when we ask.

[Tamara Judge]

Was it Cynthia that asked that? Yeah.

[Laura Carenti]

When you are carrying all the time and, you know, listen, that's a problem.

[Tamara Judge]

It's. It's too much. It's like, you can go different ways with this. No.

[Laura Carenti]

He was raised never to threaten somebody with death or with a gun, you know, or something like that, in a fit of anger. Because if something happens to that person, you're the first suspect.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. Angela had asked the question about why Kenya wasn't being nice to Brit. Brett says she doesn't want people to think she was intimidated by Kenya. And she especially doesn't. She was Kenya. But she was absolutely. Yeah. Shamia asked Angela if she talked to Charles Charles about Portia, about her comment about, like, not nice, not nice, not nice.

[Laura Carenti]

What Porsche did. Well. And you know Angela. Listen, Angela's been through so fucking much. I knew exactly why she didn't get all worked up. Angela's been through hell in her life and back.

[Tamara Judge]

And especially in this marriage.

[Laura Carenti]

Especially in this marriage. She has not had it easy. Her mother's bipolar. Her sister is not easy to live with. She's been a single mother who's. Whose ex was murdered. And there she was to raise this child. Beautiful girl, by the way. You're gonna have to fucking go few to get on that queen's. You know, under her skin. She's a woman, Angela. You are a woman.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Laura Carenti]

I have mad respect for Angela because most people, including myself, probably wouldn't have let Portia get away with that. Nor would production have let Portia not address that right there. But they were smart.

[Tamara Judge]

They saved it.

[Laura Carenti]

There was enough.

[Tamara Judge]

Here, let me ask you a question. Do you think the production had a talk with Britt before this scene and said, like, you got to me visit, or do you think she just thought.

[Laura Carenti]

Oh, shit, oh, shit, I went too far? I think it's just a collection of everything. Listen, typically after this, she knew she was in trouble. She could not double down on this. Like. Like, you don't want to double down on something like this because you look like a fool. She said it. I made a fool out of myself. And not to mention, it wasn't warranted, but it was on the heels of the way Brit feels about her. Let's face it. She gets under Brit's skin.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep.

[Laura Carenti]

Maybe she looked up to her. Maybe Brit looked up to her and wanted to be like her. And.

[Tamara Judge]

But as Kenya's getting ready for her party and Portia and Kelly are there, Kenya says she invited everyone. And she hasn't disinvited Brit. Portia says they need to. She should have need to talk to Brit. Why?

[Laura Carenti]

She wanted to comment. She wanted to annihilate her. Why would she not offer there? She didn't plan. Plan on her leaving before the posters came out. I would have loved to see what Brit would have did. She would have brought out her pistol.

[Tamara Judge]

She would. Yeah. She. It would not have been pretty. Yeah. And I do believe that Brit should have given. Been given a cooling off period on Watch what happens live last night. Andy did say that there was an investigation for both girls. It wasn't just Kenya.

[Laura Carenti]

I'm sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Laura Carenti]

I'm sure. So. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But how come Kelly's acting like she didn't hear Brit say she had a pistol? She's like, huh? What?

[Laura Carenti]

Because she's her friend. She's a ride or die.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but still, even your friend, you're like, yeah, I didn't cool. Like, that ain't right. She shouldn't have said that.

[Laura Carenti]

She's. I don't know. Sometimes with Kelly.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And then Angela meets up with her eldest daughter. Her daughter asked where her grandmother is because they were supposed to hash things out. Angela says her mother didn't show up because of a conflict with her granddaughter over a car Angela is loaning.

[Laura Carenti]

I think it's better that Angela keeps her mother off camera.

[Tamara Judge]

I do, too. I mean, Angela purchased a home for the mom and the sister or Charles. Her daughter tells Angela she shouldn't financially support them anymore, which would be hard. Her mother has bipolar disorder, like you said. I don't think there's. If she can afford it. There's nothing wrong with helping her mom out. She just can't expect anything from her.

[Laura Carenti]

Exactly, Tamara. So you know, the daughter knows what she's dealing with when she goes there. Why is she going there? To borrow their car? Take a damn Uber, kid. And why didn't you tell your mother you got married?

[Tamara Judge]

That's. I want to know more about that. Because it doesn't make sense if they're really close. She got married, and she doesn't make.

[Laura Carenti]

Sense four months later? Doesn't approve of the boy.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I was thinking. I mean, how would you feel if your daughter got married and didn't tell you?

[Laura Carenti]

I would be brokenhearted. Brokenhearted. Angela seems like a really. Listen, we only know what we know. Angela seems like a very good moment. She seems like she takes care of people whether they deserve it or not. Again, I will say she has not had an easy road with Charles, without Charles. You know, growing up, a few of my friends mothers were bipolar. That's a hard life. That's a really hard life. And you know, I mean, Angela rises above it all. And I also see people that take care of their parents that may not deserve it, but that heals you. You know what I'm saying? I've seen that in a lot of people's lives very close to me. And you know, you, you don't want to ever say, cry or regret not doing it. Not everyone deserves it, of course, but if it's going to make you feel better, then do it. Yep, you know, it's not a bad.

[Tamara Judge]

I would do it.

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[Tamara Judge]

Britt and Portia get lunch in her confessional. Brit says she took things too far with Kenya. There's no excuse, and she didn't want anyone to think she was threatening. Well, you were a girl. Britt says. Can you take.

[Laura Carenti]

No, you don't want people to think that. Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Well, everybody does. Britt says Kenya takes a different tone with her and a larger group. Portia didn't think Kenya was being shady about Britt's wedding ring.

[Laura Carenti]

She knows Kenya could be shady.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's Kenya.

[Laura Carenti]

Kenya's a housewife. Kenya's a housewife. She gets paid the big bucks for a reason.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, because she does all the things. Well, she does more than all the things. Last night.

[Laura Carenti]

She gives. No, she never has.

[Tamara Judge]

No, she doesn't. And Brit's like, well, I feel targeted by Kenya.

[Laura Carenti]

No, I don't see it. I don't see it.

[Tamara Judge]

You're gonna piss Kenya off, and she's gonna give you some Kenya. You know what I mean?

[Laura Carenti]

All right?

[Tamara Judge]

That's who she is.

[Laura Carenti]

Okay, fine.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, she's obviously seen the show before. Kenya doesn't hold back, you know, so I don't know. Portia questioned Brit about the pistol comment, and Kenya felt afraid. Britt takes full accountability. But also, in her confessional, she never intended to hurt Kenya. But I don't know. Do you? I don. Do you think Britt's apology and remorse is genuine? We've kind of already talked about this.

[Laura Carenti]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Portia did do a great job of defending Kenya and gave Brit good advice on how to move forward in this group.

[Laura Carenti]

But, you know, it's funny because going back to Shamir and Angela and Brits talk at the house, they were like, just so you know, you're going to have to take some punches for this. It's not just going to be like, sorry, okay, you're going to get. You're going to get, you know, a little beaten for this. Yeah, that was more than a punch. That was like a beating.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm still getting beatings from five years ago. Stop saying it doesn't stop. Like, she's going to be hearing about this for a long time if she's. If she continues on the show.

[Laura Carenti]

See, things should be dropped. But this isn't going.

[Tamara Judge]

I agree.

[Laura Carenti]

Where anytime soon. Just like Drew is getting her beaten from Portia, she's taking it like a chance. She is taking it, as we say, on the chin. She is. Maybe more ways than one. But with Portia's ex. But she is definitely getting her ass.

[Tamara Judge]

But how much more can she like?

[Laura Carenti]

I feel like I think that's overkill now.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's over. Do you think that they're gonna have some big explosion between the two of them? No, I don't.

[Laura Carenti]

I think it's just actually, it's dragging out. I think Portia should give her the sit down and be like, this is how this is going to go. We'll cohabitate, we'll film together, meaning we'll be in this friend group together.

[Tamara Judge]

But I don't like that.

[Laura Carenti]

We are not going to be friends. Portia did too much for Drew for her to come back from what she did. Sorry, that's the way I feel. That's fine. They will never be friends. Probably not never.

[Tamara Judge]

Then Angela asked baby daddy hits different. Yeah. So Angela, it's. We're at Angela and Charles, and they start talking about Portia's comment at dinner, implying she knows something about him.

[Laura Carenti]

Charles, man just wants his coke.

[Tamara Judge]

He doesn't even want to be on the. He doesn't even realize he's on this show. Charles says Portia needs to hit the brakes and shouldn't joke about more than once.

[Laura Carenti]

Hit the brakes three times. Portia, what is she hitting like that for?

[Tamara Judge]

It's probably an easy target. Who knows? She probably knows a little bit more.

[Laura Carenti]

You know, I'm not a fan of going after somebody's significant other so much because I know I can tell my. I could speak for myself in this combo. So. Because there's enough to say about that person. There's enough to say about, like, pick Angela apart, say what you want, whatever. But Charles, he's just not bothering anybody, kind of. He's just cooking. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

He's a very likable guy. Obviously, she knows something went down in their relationship.

[Laura Carenti]

Maybe Wendy Williams talked about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's right. Right. So I don't know. We'll see what happens there. But Charles didn't want any part of it. And he also doesn't want.

[Laura Carenti]

Neither one of them, the mother or the sister got their feathers. Neither one of them was upset or got their feathers ruffled, like, oh, I'm so scared of what it could be. And like Angela said, you got to go some to really bother me.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. She also said, like, I'm married to celebrity. It comes with the territory.

[Laura Carenti]

It's the nature of the beast. We know what things are, like, coming with the territory.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but then, see, this is where.

[Laura Carenti]

I'm a little bit surprised at Angela. You know, you have to address this with Portia. You know you do. I don't like bringing the man into it. I don't like her saying, come there. Portia said something about you. He's like, you're a woman. You handle it. See, Charles, a few points with me on that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I. Me too. But also, she's being very open about. They've had problems in the past. It's not like she's like, oh, no, we're perfect. And then it was brought up like, oh, I know stuff about your husband. Like, I'm talking about it, bitch. I'm already talking about it.

[Laura Carenti]

Yeah, like. Like, you can't do it.

[Tamara Judge]

You're a little too late.

[Laura Carenti]

Right? Right. You own it.

[Jay Shetty]

Imagine you're scrolling through TikTok. You come across a video of a.

[Laura Carenti]

Teenage girl and then a photo of.

[Jay Shetty]

The person suspected of killing her.

[Laura Carenti]

And I was like, what? Like, it was him. I was like, oh, my God. It was shocking. It was very shocking. I'm Jen Swan.

[Jay Shetty]

I'm a journalist in Los Angeles, and.

[Laura Carenti]

I've spent the past few years investigating.

[Jay Shetty]

The story behind the viral posts and.

[Laura Carenti]

The extraordinary events that followed.

[Tamara Judge]

I started investing my time to get her justice. They put out something on social media, so I'd get called in the middle.

[Laura Carenti]

Of the night all the time. It's like, how do you think you're gonna get away with something like this? Like, you kill somebody. It's the story of how and why a group of teenagers turn to social media to help track down their friend's killer. This is their story.

[Jay Shetty]

This is my friend Daisy.

[Laura Carenti]

Listen to my friend daisy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Angela]

The number one hit true crime podcast, the Girlfriends is back with something new, the Girlfriend Spotlight. Our first two series introduce you to an incredible gang of women who teamed up to fight injustice, showing just how powerful sisterly solidarity can be. We're keeping this mission alive with the Girlfriend Spotlight. Each week, a different woman sits down with me, Anna Sinfield, to share their incredible story of triumph over adversity. Like Luanne, who was raised in a secretive religious community.

[Laura Carenti]

Do I want my freedom or do I want my family?

[Angela]

And found a way to escape.

[Laura Carenti]

When she said, you know you can leave, right? It was a light bulb.

[Angela]

And now helps other women get out too.

[Laura Carenti]

I loved my girls. I still love my girls.

[Angela]

So come and join our girl gang. Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Laura Carenti]

Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked.

[Jay Shetty]

Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body. Parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Laura Carenti]

I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream.

[Angela]

It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Laura Carenti]

This should be illegal, but what is this? This is a story about a technology.

[Angela]

That'S moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jay Shetty]

Tariff whiplash is real, folks. And rapidly changing economic policies. They affect all of us to one degree or another. Trump 1.0. So that was more tariff talk. Now we are experiencing the widespread tariff action. Totally scattershot, totally random. The theory, Matt, I think, is that we're trading short term pain for long term gain. That's the tariff theory at least. But I have a hard time envisioning the long game rosy outcomes if these policy priorities kind of continue. It can be hard to know how to react to news of accelerating layoffs, increasing stock market volatility. That's why the how to Money podcast exists. We cut through the hype to give you crucial information that can help you to achieve your money goals no matter what is going on in the world. Yeah. It's our goal to help you make wise money choices that will allow you to build wealth over time and reduce anxiety levels so you can sleep well at night. How to Money comes out three times a week, but our Friday Flight episodes speak directly to what's happening in the financial news so you can digest this week's headlines without freaking out. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Angela]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and if you've.

[Laura Carenti]

Ever felt the weight of letting go of people, past versions of yourself, or.

[Angela]

The expectations placed on you, this episode is for you. Lizzo opens up like never before about self, love, transformation and finding real peace in a world that constantly tries to define you.

[Laura Carenti]

It's not me anymore. Whoever Lizzo is to the world is not really even me. And that disconnect is depressing. The Grammy goes to Lizzo. I think it's also hard when the.

[Angela]

Things that you stand for are the.

[Laura Carenti]

Same things that you're being scrutinized for. The weight that is no longer on me is not just fat or physical. I released so much to get to this point, and to be honest with you, I don't feel like I've expressed myself fully in the last two years.

[Angela]

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.

[Laura Carenti]

Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's get into Kenya Salon grand opening. Cynthia and the other woman arrive. Britt is arriving late with Kelly, were they? She's in her own sprinter van. Did you see the little neon board behind her? Did it say Brit and Kelly?

[Laura Carenti]

I did it.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, what is that like? Seriously, stop. I know, stop. So she arrives. She's gonna arrive.

[Laura Carenti]

I'm glad I didn't see it because that's cringe.

[Tamara Judge]

It's kind. It's a little cringy. Like their stars.

[Laura Carenti]

You think it's like so cringe.

[Tamara Judge]

But Britt did share that her aunt passed away this week, making everything feel even heavier. Kenya notes that, Stop, stop.

[Laura Carenti]

I'm sorry about your aunt. Rest in peace to your aunt. God bless her. I am so sorry, but stop with that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Kenya notes that Angela was the only one who reached out to her after the dinner. Brit showed up late, but she didn't bring her pistol.

[Laura Carenti]

But I don't think. But by the way, I don't think Kenya's that nice to Everyone. Does she reach out? Does she check on people? I'm not. I don't see Kenya being that way. I could be wrong. I could be so wrong. But, you know, when things happen in life, like, did you ever see It's a Wonderful Life? The Christmas movie?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Laura Carenti]

You find out how you've treated people when you need them the most. That's when you find out. You meet your friends on that road, and if you've been a good friend to people, most of the time, they will be there for you. That's what I find in my life. Sorry. Go ahead.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, at the opening, Drew tries to talk to Portia again, and she's not having it. Drew says she's not involved with Dennis and wants to know how Portia feels. Portia says something as basic as a phone call should have happened.

[Angela]

Yeah, shoot.

[Laura Carenti]

Something. What? I have to say something.

[Tamara Judge]

Say it.

[Laura Carenti]

Did you not hear her say, we did have a conversation, and Portia did not want to talk about that conversation.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's one thing.

[Laura Carenti]

After Drew's birthday party, she said, don't. Are you gonna sit here and say we didn't talk about this? And I said that from the beginning. This is not a surprise. But again, I also know that Portia said. Well, I heard things afterwards that I wasn't. Wasn't talked about. That's what we're talking about.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but she's. I feel like Drew's tried everything. She's even shown text messages where she's tried to reach out to Portia, and.

[Laura Carenti]

Portions don't have to. She hits different. Yeah, I will say it. I'll die on that hill.

[Tamara Judge]

Non negotiable. This is a non negotiable, non negotiable conversation. Not happening.

[Laura Carenti]

The three strikes. This is out. Okay. And it's fine.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but Portia was so annoyed. She's like, I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I don't want to talk to you about this anymore. Drew wants closure, and Portia.

[Laura Carenti]

It's not happening.

[Tamara Judge]

The only closure Portia has is closing that door.

[Laura Carenti]

That's true. Drew's just going to have to move on from it and make friends with everyone else, and that's it. And I feel like the reason Portia is also so mad besides Baby Daddy is because she helped her when she needed it. She was there for her last year at the reunion. She's. The first one she called was Porsche. Portia made her ambassador of the naked hair.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So Brit arrives and approaches Kenya with flowers and an apology and A card. Kenya. But she ignored her. Like, ignored her. I mean, do you think she should have just said thank you, but.

[Laura Carenti]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Insane?

[Laura Carenti]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Laura Carenti]

She's like, throw these away.

[Tamara Judge]

Throw these away.

[Laura Carenti]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think if Kenya would have stopped there, she would have been on top?

[Laura Carenti]

She would have won. She would have won. It's the overreaction that is the nail in the coffin. But I swirl.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, you know what I see? This is what I see. I see that Kenya does not like this girl for a lot of reasons. A lot. And I'm telling you right now, Britt's not one of my favorites on this show. And we've only had like, what, four episodes or something. I feel like she knows more. She's just doesn't want her on this cast. She wants her to go in. Her hatred of her got the best of her. And that. That. I mean, I've disliked somebody and it's gotten the best of me. And sometimes it's better just to let it go and let them cause their own problem.

[Laura Carenti]

Oh, my God. My show. A lot of my shows demise was not letting people be their own demise. And I've said that. I have said that they will hang themselves if you give them enough rope. It happens all the time. If the fans will get rid of them, like they got rid of Lisa Rinna. If someone. If someone comes after, definitely an OG or unless it's another, the person who goes overboard. Will. Will. Will drown.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Laura Carenti]

That's all I'm saying.

[Tamara Judge]

It's happened to me many a times.

[Laura Carenti]

Let me tell you.

[Tamara Judge]

Time to learn.

[Laura Carenti]

That didn't take me long because I watched everybody else make the mistake.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. But Kenya then gathers everyone's attention. She tells the crowd about the dinner and Brit's gun comment. Kenya tells them to throw the flowers and card away. Kelly tries to save the card, but Kenya told her to not get involved. Kenyon says she's going to pay Brits dust. And she blew it off.

[Laura Carenti]

Oh, it was so dramatic. That's when the heart started going.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, here's the thing. This is where Kenya lost me. Here's the grand opening of her beautiful salon. She put a lot into this. This party. It was beautiful. Obviously, she's promoting everybody that, you know, put things together for this party.

[Laura Carenti]

The party was amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

Amazing, beautiful.

[Laura Carenti]

Amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

It surely was. So this was not the time, like, to do this. Don't do this right now. Like, she's taken away from the opening and all her hard work of this salon. Now these women are, like, walking out.

[Laura Carenti]

Going, I don't Sweat, tears, money. And you and Kenya. Stop it. You say you want to show your daughter the right road, right? And then you're putting up pictures of somebody giving a blow job at your party in your business. You brought that garbage into your business, into your life.

[Tamara Judge]

That bad energy.

[Laura Carenti]

That's what we would want to teach our daughters. You did teach your daughter not to do that. In a way. Yeah. You did.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she's also bringing all that bad energy into the grand opening of her salon. And who knows the energy is going to stay in there? But Kenya pulls out the poster boards.

[Laura Carenti]

I have to say, you mean to tell me no one knew she did those little poster boards herself? She went to fucking Walgreens and bought the poster board. Where we go for the kids projects.

[Tamara Judge]

Could you imagine a guy printing that? Could you imagine it would look like.

[Laura Carenti]

It was printed from her own printer or whoever's printer that made them for her. You cannot tell me. And. And production didn't see the poster boards coming in. Come on. I talk about production because that's political suicide.

[Tamara Judge]

But it is. And who knows? She might have just kept it quiet, knowing that it was going to be a big shock. But I also know Kenya was very pissed off at production for not doing more to protect her.

[Laura Carenti]

She put it in her. Her text today. She put it in her.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And they didn't. They didn't air the opening last season of her salon. So she was a little. She was a little bit bitter. But this probably wasn't the best thing.

[Laura Carenti]

She think. What did she think? I know. Listen, I was filming Traitors at the time, and of course, I didn't know this happened because we had no way of knowing what's going on in the outside world. But the producers were talking about it on Traders. The producers had heard and said Kenya just got fired or something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

And this is. I don't.

[Laura Carenti]

Like my brother said, it's a fourth degree crime.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. But all this came out, so it was no big surprise when we watched it. We were all prepared for it. And that's where I hate the leaks. Like, this was big. This was big. They could have said. She could have said, I've been fired if she had to, but don't say why. Like, just let it play out. But now it was like. I mean, it was a big deal, but most of us knew about it. We already knew.

[Laura Carenti]

So what can I say?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, 10 years ago, they wouldn't have been a big deal on this show. They would have shown it.

[Laura Carenti]

Ten years ago, it Would have. It was fair game. It was.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep.

[Laura Carenti]

It was the Wild West 10 years ago.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, trust me, we both know that. We both know.

[Laura Carenti]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

For sure. I mean, yeah. I do think that Cynthia is the real one for the way she handled Kenya at the end.

[Laura Carenti]

Cynthia is a beautiful angel. Class act. So lovely, so amazing. Can I just say, if I could read Kenya's mind after that happened. The reaction of the girls was very telling of how much trouble she was in. And you could see it on her face.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. You could see she's like, oh, I went too far. So that's the only thing that leads me to believe that she didn't tell anybody. Because if she told just one girl in that group, they would have been like, no, no, Cynthia.

[Laura Carenti]

I. I was with Cynthia at your event, and Cynthia said, I wish that she would have come to me. I wish that she would have consulted with me, because I would have never told her. That was a good idea.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So in the final slide, it says, based on Kenya's behavior, the decision was made to cease filming with her this season. It doesn't say she was fired. They just stopped the filming. So, I mean, does this mean there's Kenya no more, or do you think that they'll bring her back next year?

[Laura Carenti]

In. In the. In the voice of Alan Cumming. Poor Kenya. Lord Kenya Moore.

[Tamara Judge]

She trolled a long life on Bravo.

[Laura Carenti]

But Kenya Moore is no more.

[Tamara Judge]

No more. Mic drop.

[Laura Carenti]

Throw her picture.

[Tamara Judge]

So we will say 11-20-24, Kenya appeared on the Tamara hall show and took full accountability for the incident, calling her actions distasteful. She expressed regret, explained she acted defensively after feeling threatened. Kenya clarified she wasn't fired and remains under contract with Bravo. Her apology was supported by Porsche, who praised her for owning up and emphasizing the importance of forgiveness. There was, like I said earlier, there was an investigation on both cast members. Both of them. She should have been suspended, not totally let go, is how I see it.

[Laura Carenti]

I feel like both of them should have been suspended.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yep.

[Laura Carenti]

Sorry. But I do.

[Tamara Judge]

Didn't you have somebody on your cast suspended last year? Didn't. There was, like, a crew.

[Laura Carenti]

Everyone gets suspended. Everyone, one point or another. That's like, you okay? You know, in the past, it's like, all right, don't do this again. You do it again. They're like, okay, you can't. You're not. You're suspended, or you're not able to film for the next episode or this or that or something to that effect. I mean, I don't even think back then. It even hit the papers because when something happens all the time on a show, who cares?

[Tamara Judge]

It's like the boy who cried wolf. So Kenya did put a post up last night. She says, you have been my besties for the last 12 years, and I.

[Laura Carenti]

Love and appreciate you so much. If I had to. If I had to say by the likes of that text, she's, oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Last year you cried with me when all my hard work from the salon was cut from production and none of it was shown. I want to thank all my friends who showed up for me, who supported me on a regular basis, who love me down, that she thinks her glam team and Ms. Lawrence and all of her party planners. To the cast of RHOA season 16, I wish you all a credible season. To my friends and family, thank you for loving my flaws and thank you for this, for all the stunning women who have patronized Kenya Moore. Hair Hair Spa. I love making you look beautiful. Love and blessings.

[Laura Carenti]

Beautiful store. Kenya. Kenya, I know if you could do it over, you wouldn't. I'd have to say. I wish. I know you wish you didn't do that, but I also want to tell you, Kenya, whoever advised you illy, whoever you've been ill advised, if any body told you to do that, and that was a good idea, watch out for them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think she just got in the heat of the moment. She was. Let her anger get the best of her.

[Laura Carenti]

But, you know, a lot of people like Kenya, I'm gonna tell you, have people around them that, yes, them big yes. They're big. Yes. Foul. Like they have a big. Yes. Cult. Because I see it in people I know. And they never evolve because, like Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley and all the famous people who are told who are on the payroll and they want to listen to the people that give them the bad advice because they agree with them, and then the real people get pushed away. So I'm. I feel like in some type of way, Kenya may have that kind of issue going on in her life.

[Tamara Judge]

She might well.

[Laura Carenti]

Bravo Housewives about Kenya.

[Tamara Judge]

Bravo Housewives did a poll on which was worse. The weapon, the photo are equally as bad. So 42 said the weapon was bad. 16 said the photo. There's another poll, and 42% believe it's equally as bad. So it's really a myth.

[Laura Carenti]

First time in. In Bravo history that somebody put up nasty pictures of someone. Is it.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I can't imagine. I feel like it's not, well, pornographic. I mean, that's a whole different.

[Laura Carenti]

I feel like it's not. I feel like it's not the first time in housewife history that this has been.

[Tamara Judge]

If she would. If she would have just left it with, you know, this girl before and after.

[Laura Carenti]

When I put up my before and after facelifts all the time. You know what?

[Tamara Judge]

I will put it up for shits and giggles. Right? But I do have some fan thoughts. Andy's a Bravo. Said team Kenya, don't threaten me with.

[Laura Carenti]

A gun, period, because she's an og, she's gonna have that way more fan.

[Tamara Judge]

Brit does.

[Laura Carenti]

She's got a ton of fans.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Reality TV guru Kenya went way too low. It was disgusting.

[Laura Carenti]

It was.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. Number one mama. If the pictures are online, then what's the issue? It was low, but Brit started it. First of all, those. Those pictures were not online. I don't know. Where'd she get them?

[Laura Carenti]

As soon as somebody mentions private investigator, throw them the out.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that where she got him from? A private investigator? Are these. Are these pictures that were behind a paywall or is these pictures that were.

[Jay Shetty]

What.

[Tamara Judge]

Where did these. Like, like it. Like a subscription? Like a porn site or something? Like, where is these pic? Where.

[Laura Carenti]

Like, did she borrow, like, Lisa's. Lisa Barlow's security company to find them? Like, she. Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Tamara Judge]

Did she know a guy that she hooked up with contacted this guy?

[Laura Carenti]

Like, that's somebody to her? She said she did her homework. Now, that was pretty. Listen to me, okay? I don't know that they were easy to find, but she had them by the next morning. Come on.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, yeah. Exactly how far.

[Laura Carenti]

How much time? In between the gun threat and the party.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I think? I think they were sent to her. I think they were sent to her maybe by lover or something like that. I think she had a pocket.

[Laura Carenti]

She just. They were burning a hole in her pocket. Kenya had them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, reality T says Kenya went too far, but full suspension was too much. After Brit got away with her comments, the Bravo buzz says Kenya's decision to do this was stupid and took away from her opening, which I agree with that. The pink pop box said. Oh, Brit was. Oh, Brit was way wrong in Kenya, too. They both needed to go. And then.

[Laura Carenti]

I. Yeah, I. I agree. I. I agree. They both needed a rep to be reprimanded.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And the last one is ranked real. Says it feels like production did damage control with Brit. The scene with Portia and her felt forced.

[Laura Carenti]

I don't see that. What I think what. Here's the problem. It's a legal issue. Showing Pictures are a 4th degree crime.

[Tamara Judge]

To a bunch of people. It's like, is it called revenge porn? Is that what it is?

[Laura Carenti]

I don't know, but yeah, it's something. I mean, I could find out or what does it matter? It's a fourth degree crime, from what I know. So legally, they had to act on it. Listen, Bravo's been getting sued left, right, center. They're done. They're not playing anymore?

[Tamara Judge]

No, they won't play with stuff like this at all.

[Laura Carenti]

And that's, you know, it was a liability. If it's. It's NBC. If it's a liability, they're like, get them out. They don't have a whole floor of attorneys for nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. And because these, like we said, if these were all over the Internet, it might be a little bit of a different situation for her in the legal aspect of it. But.

[Laura Carenti]

There'S a. There's a clause, I'm sure, bringing it to. Sharing it or being the person to share it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Do you think she'll be at the reunion?

[Laura Carenti]

I do.

[Tamara Judge]

You do?

[Laura Carenti]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, if anything, she can redeem herself at the reunion. Maybe come in for 20 minutes, whatever, and then cover whatever.

[Laura Carenti]

She may have to keep them apart.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Laura Carenti]

Brit may have to control herself. She won, though. She was in the. In the winning. Like, this is what my mom always warned me about. You could be right in mind, but wrong in reason. Right in what you're feel, but wrong in the way you handle it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, it's all in your delivery. Listen, I know that for a fact. Oh, boy. Well, that. That was a good episode. This is the episode that everybody has been waiting for. I'm curious to see how the rest of the season goes without Kenya, because she's a big player. Still don't know when Phaedra comes in.

[Laura Carenti]

Oh, I can't wait for Phaedra. Wait, has I forgot to even ask?

[Tamara Judge]

Ask.

[Laura Carenti]

Has Brit and Kenya spoke?

[Tamara Judge]

No. So. So Andy has been talking to Kenya. She has taken accountability. He's happy about that. But does that mean she's going to get her job back? Or does she even want to be at the reunion?

[Laura Carenti]

I think she'll be at the reunion. Of course she wants her job back. Who wants to lose their job?

[Tamara Judge]

She can be on Traders next, you think? Yeah. But that's it for today, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of two T's in a podcast.

[Laura Carenti]

And we'll be amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

We'll be back soon.

[Laura Carenti]

See you soon. Bye.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Laura Carenti]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Laura Carenti]

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[Jay Shetty]

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[Laura Carenti]

What's up? I'm Laura, host of the podcast Courtside with Laura Carrenti, a masterclass case study of the business of women's sports. I'll be chatting with leaders like tennis icon Alana Kloss.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't do what I do only for women. I do it for everyone. And I want the whole market and.

[Laura Carenti]

Innovators like Jenny Nguyen. I would say 50% of the people.

[Tamara Judge]

That come visit the sports bra aren't sports fans. They come to be in community.

[Laura Carenti]

They come to be part of this culture. Courtside with Laura Carenti is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to Courtside with Laura carenti on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tamara Judge]

Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports, the number one hit.

[Angela]

Podcast, the Girlfriends, is back with something new, the Girlfriends Spotlight, where each week you'll hear women share their stories of triumph over adversity. You'll meet Luann, who escaped a secretive religious community.

[Laura Carenti]

Do I want my freedom or do I want my family?

[Angela]

And now helps other women get out, too.

[Laura Carenti]

I loved my girls. I still love my girls.

[Angela]

Come and join our girl gang. Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Laura Carenti]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty.

[Angela]

This episode Lizzo, opens up like never before about self love, transformation and finding real peace in a world that constantly tries to define you.

[Laura Carenti]

It's not me anymore. Whoever Lizzo is to the world is not really even me. And that disconnect is depressing. The Grammy goes to Lizzo.

[Angela]

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or.

[Laura Carenti]

Wherever you get your podcasts.