Not So Smooth Sailing (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Not So Smooth Sailing" (RHOSLC Recap)

Hosts: Tamra Judge & Dolores Catania

Date: October 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tamra Judge and guest co-host Dolores Catania recap Season 6, Episode 7 of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC). They dissect the drama from the super-sized yacht episode, with particular focus on allegations of "leaking to the blogs," explosive cast dynamics, and standout moments aboard the Below Deck boat with Captain Jason. The discussion is unfiltered, full of behind-the-scenes Bravo insight, and peppers in personal experiences from both hosts' own reality TV journeys.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Andy Cohen’s Call Her Daddy Podcast Appearance

• Dolores reports on Andy Cohen’s spirited appearance, where he opened up about Botox, relationships in the Bravo universe, and dodged questions about his salary.
• Key revelation: Andy texted Lisa Vanderpump to ask who should be cut from RHOBH; her reply was "everyone."
• Andy called Britney from SLC the "thirstiest housewife ever," sparking debate between Tamra and Dolores.

Dolores: “He admits that Britney from Salt Lake City is the thirstiest housewife ever.” (05:32)

2. "Thirstiness" in the Housewives World

• Tamra and Dolores reflect on what it means to be a "thirsty housewife" and cite that often, those housewives don’t last long.
• They discuss if Britney’s behavior is actually extreme, or just currently top of mind because her season is airing.
• Quote:

Tamra: “The thirsty ones come and go. Thirsty ones usually don’t last.” (06:03)

3. The Blogger/Leaked Stories Drama

• The core of the RHOSLC episode and the recap revolves around accusations of cast members leaking stories to bloggers—specifically, between Lisa, Angie, and Bronwyn.
• Hosts debate the dangers of interacting with bloggers and the risk of private information being made public.
• They emphasize only making accusations when you have receipts ("black and white" proof).
• Quote:

Tamra: “Before you accuse someone, make sure you have your receipts... I never accuse someone until I have the answer.” (10:04)

4. Behind the Scenes: Props, Production, and Authenticity

• Both hosts call out the use of props (e.g., ‘the short, thick cucumber’) and "staged" moments, insisting the audience is too savvy for such antics.
• Dolores and Tamra argue that the best reality TV comes from authenticity and that fans can spot contrivance.
• Quote:

Tamra: “The Bravo fans are too smart. Don’t insult their intelligence.” (21:22)

5. Life on the Yacht: Relationships, Costumes, & Rooms

• The dynamic aboard the yacht is unpacked: Brittany’s apparent flirtation with every male crew member, shared rooms, and Bronwyn’s controversial costumes.
• Dolores is skeptical about Brittany’s devotion to Jared given her behavior with Captain Jason.
• Costume-wearing at 40+ comes under comedic fire.
• Quote:

Tamra: “Stop with the fucking costumes. Forty-something years old—stop.” (22:36)

• Dolores: “Brittany would get turned on by a doorknob.” (19:26)

6. Blog Allegations: Who’s Really Behind It?

• In-depth chat about the so-called “Bravo Derm” blogger and claims that Angie has been collaborating with them to leak stories about Bronwyn and Lisa.
• Dolores points out that anything public (arrests, financials) becomes “fair game” once it hits the Internet.
• Hosts are bored by the singular focus on Lisa and "blogger-gate," wishing the group would address actual allegations versus scapegoating.
• Quote:

Tamra: “You’re missing the big picture—the real juice, the real meat and potatoes of your storylines is right fucking in front of you.” (32:20)

7. The Lisa Barlow Pile-On

• Both hosts empathize with Lisa as she faces a group takedown.
• Connects Lisa’s isolation and emotional state with what Dolores has experienced on RHONJ.
• Tamra criticizes the double standard and philosophical question of why being a target for “leak allegations” is so terrible in the Housewives world.
• Quote:

Dolores: “No one likes a gang up. I feel like that’s what’s going on…” (57:50)

• Notable Moment: Lisa’s emotional phone call to John, expressing her frustration and pain.

8. Recap of Specific Episode Events

• Angie’s seasickness becomes comic relief and a running subplot.
• The infamous water-throwing games and past Housewives precedent (“Do not get Teresa’s hair wet!”).
• Squabbles about etiquette, maturity, and over-the-top behavior (Whitney’s bed gymnastics).
• Juicy tidbits: Heather’s admissions about Captain Jason, cast’s body shaming over “ankles,” and Dolores’ rivalry flashbacks.

9. Cast Dynamics and Housewives Psychology

• Frustration that the cast avoids "the real issue" by focusing on blame and leaks.
• Their own experiences with feeling unsupported or betrayed on their respective shows.
• The importance of solidarity, authentic friendships, and not turning on each other instantaneously.

10. Viewer Social Media Reactions

• Fan comments are split: some are tired of Lisa’s tears, others see her as the target of a takedown.

Fan Quote: "Lisa is exhausting. Crying to John now..." (70:33)

• Tamra warns that if Lisa is ousted, the rest of the cast will only have each other to turn on.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Andy Cohen's “thirstiest housewife” label:

  “He admits that Britney from Salt Lake City is the thirstiest housewife ever.”
  (Dolores, 05:32)

• On bringing receipts:

  “Before you accuse someone, make sure you have your receipts, black and white, your facts.”
  (Tamra, 10:04)

• Bravo fans are too smart for staged drama:

  “The Bravo friends--fans--are too smart. Don’t insult their intelligence.”
  (Tamra, 21:22)

• Critique of Blogger Drama:

  “You’re missing the big picture here. The real juice, the real meat and potatoes of your storylines is right fucking in front of you.”
  (Tamra, 32:20)

• On being ganged up on:

  “No one likes a gang up. And I feel like that’s what’s going on…”
  (Dolores, 57:50)

• Water-throwing legacy:

  “I was the very first one to throw liquid at somebody... Such a very proud moment.”
  (Dolores, 52:26)

• On reality friendships:

  “A real friend knows what you’re capable of.”
  (Tamra, 47:04)

• Housewives maturity critique:

  “Can we act like women? We a little bit stop wearing costumes and rolling over in our bathing suit. Answer the door instead of just getting up. Like, sit like a lady.”
  (Tamra, 45:39)

• Prediction for what happens if Lisa leaves:

  “Because then you have only each other to turn on next if she ain’t there.”
  (Tamra, 72:43)

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Detailed Segment Timeline

• [03:44–08:08] - Andy Cohen on Call Her Daddy; Botox, salary, dating, Bravo “thirst.”
• [08:09–13:15] - Lisa Barlow, blogger accusations, emotional reactions, housewife psychology.
• [18:14–24:20] - Yacht episode recap: Captain Jason, Brittany’s behavior, props/costumes controversy, rooming drama.
• [24:30–31:26] - Bronwyn’s allegations, blogger “Bravo Derm,” cast suspicion, social media sleuthing.
• [31:27–39:03] - Pile-on against Lisa, cast focusing on leaks, ignoring “the real story,” personal experiences with cast isolation.
• [43:26–48:33] - Accusations without proof; authenticity; friendship litmus test; questioning Lisa’s behavior & the group’s response.
• [49:20–53:11] - Dinner drama: ethics of talking behind people’s backs, the “seizure” comment, further scuffles and water-flinging.
• [53:12–66:24] - Aftermath of accusations; emotional impact on Lisa; more reflections by Tamra and Dolores.
• [66:25–72:43] - Final thoughts: what happens if Lisa leaves, call-outs on Housewives’ loyalty, warning to cast and fans.
• [73:44–73:31] - Brief updates on Teddy Mellencamp’s health and future hosting arrangements.

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Memorable & Funny Highlights

• Tamra’s relentless mockery of Housewives props:

  “Housewives get vibrators for free... Stop. That’s a corny little... production stuff.” (20:39)

• Dolores’ riotous line about Brittany:

  “Brittany would get turned on by a doorknob.” (19:26)

• Water-throwing tradition and potential for an “ankle-measuring” Housewives scene.

• Dolores calling for a therapist on the cast:

  “There’s so much on this. I want a therapist on this cast. I mean, we all need one.” (20:22)

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Final Takeaway / Commentary

Tamra and Dolores provide both scathing and sympathetic insights into the realities of filming RHOSLC and being a housewife in the Bravo-verse. They urge both cast and fans to demand more meaningful storylines and to question half-baked accusations. The overarching tone is humorous, self-aware, and frequently veers into affectionate ribbing both of the SLC cast and their own experiences on their respective home franchises.

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For listeners who missed the episode, this recap delivers a thorough, entertaining breakdown of all major drama, quotable moments, and Bravo tea spilled on and off the yacht in Salt Lake City.

Transcript

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[Dolores Catania]

Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Today we are going to be recapping Salt Lake City episode seven. But before we get into it, I'm going to ask you, Dolores, did you happen to see that Andy Cohen was on Call Her Daddy podcast?

[Tamara Judge]

I did.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I picked up some of the little, like just bullet points of things that I saw on Instagram because he was giddy. He was. He was cussing. The F word was coming out. He was a totally different person then. You see Andy Cohen on Watch what Happens Live.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, no, he had a good time with that.

[Dolores Catania]

He had a great time. He was doing Tiktoks, all that. So he. And he admitted getting a tiny bit of Botox in his forehead. Now you see, hasn't had any work done.

[Tamara Judge]

There's no shame in that.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, right? He confirmed that he has not slept with anyone from the Bravo universe. However, he has looked at some people and went, hmm.

[Tamara Judge]

Of course. That's natural.

[Dolores Catania]

That's natural. While playing a game, Confess or Text, Alex asks Andy how much money he makes. And he's like, fuck that. I ain't telling you that.

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[Dolores Catania]

I'm not answering that question. However, I will text somebody. So he texts Lisa Vanderpump and asked her who he should cut from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh.

[Dolores Catania]

So he took a little time to respond. He said, it's probably going to be by Kyle. But she actually replied, everyone, oh, that's a good answer. And he admitted that he's on every dating app.

[Tamara Judge]

I did hear that. Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

Uhhuh. And you know, in honor of the our episode that we're going to be recapping, he said with total love. He admits that Britney from Salt Lake City is the thirstiest housewife ever.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think there's more thirstier than her. No.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, maybe because she. That's airing right now and her thirst level is a little bit high.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I mean, I've seen. I've seen a lot worse that, in my opinion.

[Dolores Catania]

Have you?

[Tamara Judge]

Because. Huh? Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, the thirsty ones come and go. I mean, thirsty ones usually don't last.

[Tamara Judge]

But. Wait a second, Tamara, are you going to tell me she's more thirsty than some other people we know?

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

No, I'm not. But I think just because it's airing right now, it's fresh on his mind, probably.

[Tamara Judge]

This episode we have, we have a lot to unpack here. But I mean, let me get back to Andy for a second because he asked a question that I found funny because I come from a world where straight guys call girls mommy, and I don't think Frank Catania's ever called me by my name till this day. I'm Mom. So he said, do straight men call women Mommy? Yes, they do. Yeah. Where you been, Andy?

[Dolores Catania]

I think so, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Frank calls me mom. And I like it. I like to be.

[Dolores Catania]

You happen to catch Lisa Barlo on Watch what Happens Live?

[Tamara Judge]

I did.

[Dolores Catania]

I didn't watch it, but I did see some clips on social media. So Lisa said on Watch Happens Lives, she felt like Heather was being snaky by suggesting she was leaking things to the press. It hurt her feelings and she started to get emotional.

[Tamara Judge]

So. Well, that's the episode, right?

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So we're going to talk about that. But she seems gutturally very hurt. Like, that's a hurt cry. We have all these different cries. Right. I'm not a crier, but I watch a lot of criers. Like, she was like, like.

[Dolores Catania]

So, yes, I think for two reasons. I think one is because she cares about Heather and they've been friends. And I think the second thing is, is like when you're accused of something you absolutely didn't do, you do have an emotional, you know, like what? It's hurtful.

[Tamara Judge]

How do I feel about that?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you don't cry, so it's hard for you to.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I get angry. My crying is angry. So when I would be accused of something I didn't do, the. The times that you've ever seen me explode on camera were those times. And then people are like, oh, look, it must be true because you got all worked up about it. If it was true, I wouldn't be blindsided and I wouldn't get that upset over it. That's the stupidest shit I ever heard.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody gets upset, unless they're acting, which I'm not an actress, and people get upset. I mean, they really came for her. I mean, we're going to talk about her. They came to her.

[Dolores Catania]

I get super upset when someone calls me a liar. That just.

[Tamara Judge]

Me too.

[Dolores Catania]

Me off. But Lisa said that. True, but Lisa slapped back and she says Angie is leaking stories about her and Bronwyn and the guy. Some guy is sharing the DMS between Angie and this blogger.

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Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

So here we go. All right. This.

[Dolores Catania]

This is reunion shit, right?

[Tamara Judge]

This is reunion shit. This is where the receipts come out. But hasn't anyone learned from Jersey that speaking to bloggers in this manner, you're going to bloggers. And they hadn't turned. They turn because they have the information. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So I guess it's the Bravo derm on Twitter. He's been active forever, and I guess he's the one that's been leaking these things. So they.

[Tamara Judge]

The bloggers give up their source at the end of the day. Okay. And they. And it will. The. The truth. The dirty laundry comes out in the wash. That's all I'm saying. Like, Right. I'm not worried about the proof. And before you accuse someone, like, you know where I.

[Dolores Catania]

Before you accuse someone, make sure you have your. Your receipts, black and white, your facts.

[Tamara Judge]

I want to see it in black and white. Yep. I just want to say I never accuse someone until I have the answer. I'm talking in a relationship, right? Like, if a guy screwing around. When I was younger. I don't care about these things anymore. When I was younger, I would get a whole file on black and white, and I would be absolutely normal and nice to that person until I had all my proof. And then I would go to them. I don't ask someone if they did something until I have the answer myself. Because nine out of ten times, someone's going. Gonna lie to you.

[Dolores Catania]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

In our Bravo world, the bloggers are gonna turn on you. They're gonna turn on you because when they're done getting everything they want from you, now what the bloggers want is the attention and the credit for it. So they're gonna prove what they're saying.

[Dolores Catania]

Is true, but it also makes them not credible anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

What if they give up their source?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, just like. Like a journalist or, you know, somebody on, you know, the bloggers. If they're out there doing all that, then people are going to be like.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but I've c. Caught people the same way more than once the same person. You know, like there's always going to be somebody that's going to fall for that. Somebody who's going to think that the blogger will get you on a on a weak moment. You're having a bad day. You just filmed everybody have fucking attacked you. And now the blogger just in their gut sense, their six blogger sense, their spidey blogger senses, happens to reach out to you that day. And I've done it myself. Not to a blogger, but I've told the wrong person private information about myself in a weak moment.

[Dolores Catania]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. It happens.

[Dolores Catania]

And have they used it against you?

[Tamara Judge]

It's been a long time since that happened, but they may not have used it against me, but I always knew they had that information. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe they haven't used it yet.

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[Dolores Catania]

Well, let's get into recapping. Season six, episode seven of Salt Lake City. All right, so this was actually a very good episode. It's a super sized episode. The girls arrive on the yacht. They stay, they say hi to Captain Jason, who Captain Jason's been around the Bravo block. He.

[Tamara Judge]

Was the head. Like, well, everyone was hot for Captain Jason.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, but it's Heather Gay admits that they've effed around in this episode. And then, so there was her. Luann. Like, how many girls in Bravo has he hooked up with?

[Tamara Judge]

Captain. He's the daddy Captain. Yeah, so he seems very nice. Not for me.

[Dolores Catania]

For those of you that don't know, Captain Jason is. He's. He's the captain on Below Deck. Brittany is very into Captain Jason, which is so weird because she brings a stuffed animal that has Jared's name, you know, voice, like, saying I love you, good night. But then every male on the boat, she's like, eyeballing.

[Tamara Judge]

Even the little guy that was giving her drinks.

[Dolores Catania]

Even the little guy giving her drinks.

[Tamara Judge]

Brittany would get turned on by a doorknob. I'm not like.

[Dolores Catania]

But then that makes me believe that all this with. With Jared is like, what? Like, she acts like she's so in love with him and anytime anybody brings anything up, like he's been talking to some girl at the gym, she gets all emotional about it. But then she's like a dog in heat as soon as she gets on board.

[Tamara Judge]

Tamara, are we gonna actually compare Britney to something normal? Are we actually going to Britney? If I see you at Bravo Con, don't be pissed off at me. I like you, but I'm. But there's some a lot going on here. A lot.

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[Dolores Catania]

Even Andy said she's a thirsty housewife. But he loves, you know, he with.

[Tamara Judge]

All thirsty for cop. But I don't know about anything else. She's there. Nothing rules her life.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean if Bronwyn would have. Would have worn her hot dog costume on the ship, I think that Brittany would have dry humped her.

[Tamara Judge]

There's so much on this. I want a therapist on this cast. I mean, we all need one.

[Dolores Catania]

I want to know who brought the short thick cucumber.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not going to even talk. That's so stupid corny. Anyway, who puts.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, is it just a prop? And why do they.

[Tamara Judge]

They were just making a stupid thing. Nobody's sticking a cucumber up their crotch. Housewives get vibrators for free. I get offers all the time. You can even paid to post one. Stop. Like that's a corny little.

[Dolores Catania]

So you think someone just.

[Tamara Judge]

Production stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, I don't even think production. I think that this show is just so filled with props and things like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Stop with the props.

[Dolores Catania]

And so I personally wouldn't want anybody unpacking my suitcase.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm just weird like that. I want to hang my own clothes.

[Tamara Judge]

I want people to unpack my suitcase.

[Dolores Catania]

Of course you do. And so other girls. Ron, one's hanging up her stuff and Britney's hanging up her stuff. And then, then we see somebody going through a suitcase. It just looked a little staged.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I mean. I'm not going to even talk about stage ness. I don't do stage. We have enough going on in the Bravo world with all our wackadoo cast members, including myself and you, that we don't need to stage things. The Bravo friends, fans slash fans are too smart. Don't insult their intelligence. I don't like that stuff. Our fans are frigging brilliant. They're private investigators. There's CFOs and CEOs and they're smart, street smart women and men. And don't do it. Don't. Don't insult them.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So we have Brittany and Bronwyn, who. Brittany was like, I got a room with Bronwyn. I got to ask you, on a yacht that size, why is there. Why are we sharing room?

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe there wasn't enough. Honestly. Maybe there wasn't enough rooms.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, clearly. But it just seems like that yacht was so big, like you think there'd.

[Tamara Judge]

Be more than what, five rooms?

[Dolores Catania]

Five rooms.

[Tamara Judge]

But they always share rooms on below deck. It's easier probably for, for film.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what, bro? When you're not. I'm not. Stop with the fucking costumes. 40 something years old. Stop with the fucking costumes. And when you speak to your husband and your mother, put your fucking shoulders back and look them. Stop scrunching over, look them in the.

[Dolores Catania]

Eyes, let them know how you feel.

[Tamara Judge]

In the eyes and stop. Feel like, go ahead.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, you're on a hot one. You, you keep going. I'm there.

[Tamara Judge]

Because you know what? You don't strike me really as a broken little girl when I hear you telling off the girls. You are articulate, you're smart, you're strong. You are, have been through a lot in your life. You were a teen mom, you've had shit go on. And now we're hearing about other stuff. I'm not buying the costumes one more day. Sorry. Yeah, I'm not looking at you like you're broke little girl and you want to wear costumes because you're a little girl.

[Dolores Catania]

No, I, I actually agree with you on all this. So the Bronwyn and Brittany are in the room and they're discussing, you know, what's going on with Bronwyn's. All these allegations and all these stories that have come out and she thinks that somebody has planted them, somebody has dug up this information and is planting these stories.

[Tamara Judge]

Are they?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I don't know. I didn't, I didn't know anything about this. But in the Bravo universe, the fan base is very, very smart.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And if you've been arrested, if you have skeletons, they will find it and they will post it once it is posted. It is fair game and housewife world public information.

[Tamara Judge]

Once it's public information, it is fair game.

[Dolores Catania]

Fair game.

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[Dolores Catania]

So we're hearing that the Bravo Derm, I don't know who this guy is or girl is posted about this during last season season about how it all started. And he had been DMing with Angie. He dug up Bronwyn's info last season. So you guys got to know. There's, like, attorneys that are out there that are giving out information. There are people that you know. Anybody that can get information is grabbing information. If you're in real estate, somebody in real estate is going to pull your real estate information. You're a mortgage. You're going to pull your mortgage information.

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[Dolores Catania]

It all gets leaked out.

[Tamara Judge]

Taxes, yes. Child support, nothing. No stone is unturned.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. So evidently this Bravo Derm person is basically saying that Angie is the one that has been dming with him now. Allegedly. So now maybe that's what Lisa was talking about on Watch what Happens Live last night.

[Tamara Judge]

I watched Watch what Happens Live. What did she say?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she made a comment that Angie is leaking stories about me and Bronwyn and the guy is sharing the dms and the guy is the Bravo Dermot.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so this is what's going to happen, right? Somebody's got proof on this. So Bravo Durham is going to show somebody else, and he's going to be talked about. He or she is going to be spoken about at the reunion, and somebody's going to come in with receipts. Now, we'll get down to this. But Angie, when she was laying there and Heather went in all upset to her room after she told off Meredith. I mean, after she told off Lisa, Angie's like, you weren't wrong or something like that. Like, she was going along with it. You were right. Well, you were right. And Matt and Mary's like, you are right. It's Lisa.

[Dolores Catania]

So I Mean, it was, it was a complete gang up. Do you think that somebody in this group is planting stories or do you think it's a situation where. Where they're already out there on social media and people are talking about them?

[Tamara Judge]

Not that they're out on social media, but that they're out there? And what I can't understand is why is everyone so fixated on whether or not Lisa did it rather than being fixated on all these horrible things? Coming up.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Do they thank you? And I think, Lisa, I thank you. I thank you in, in, in two weeks or three weeks from now when our reunion airs and we'll talk about it then. But I thank you because they are fixated on trying to blame somebody about it rather than talking about the story it actually happened.

[Tamara Judge]

Guess what, guys?

[Dolores Catania]

That's called deflection.

[Tamara Judge]

Guess what, guys? You're missing the big picture here. The real juice, the real meat and potatoes of your storylines is right fucking in front of you. And I'm getting sick of everybody ganging up on Lisa. Not that I don't. I mean, once, twice, three times. Oh. Oh, wow. But this is like every scene is about Lisa and I don't want to see it about Lisa anymore. It's getting boring to be picking on the same person.

[Dolores Catania]

Me and Lisa had a conversation on Instagram the other day and I said, oh, my God, Lisa, I feel so bad for you. I feel like you're having the same season so far that I'm having. Nobody has your back.

[Tamara Judge]

She's clearly iron does though.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she clearly is going through something. You could tell, you can tell as I was this entire season and no one gave a shit. Except for Heather to bro. No one gave a shit.

[Tamara Judge]

And Meredith is her Heather.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

And then all they did was she's not nice to Meredith. Lisa, I got your back here. But I don't like the way she treats Meredith.

[Podcast Promo Voice]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

But I think it like for what I gone through. This is when so many people are coming at you and going at you and you're already at an emotional state. You just feel like everyone hates you. You want to shut down. Like, you know, you have nobody on your side and you're really expecting somebody to like, wrap your. Yeah. Like, wrap your arms around me. Like, tell me like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. No, none of that is happening. None of it is happening. So she's probably just really emotional. I don't know what's going on personally.

[Tamara Judge]

Season that when they were fighting, she gave Angie information about her family. So Meredith is going really a lot more than she should with that information that she was told. And she said, I don't believe it. I got your.

[Dolores Catania]

But have we got that information yet? What is the information that was told? I can't even remember.

[Tamara Judge]

Angie said to her, when I was fighting with you, she said, people in your family are doing bad things. She gave me their names. She told me to look them up and come after you with it. You don't do that, by the way, Lisa. That was fucking wrong if you did that. That was fucking wrong.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, if she did, it's wrong. So all the girls sit down for lunch, and Angie, poor Angie, is seasick. I don't know why she agreed to go on this boat if she's that seasick. She was barfing the entire time.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a terrible feeling.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, I can't even believe that Mary sat in bed with her while she was barfing and was eating her dinner. I'm like, no, that's a hard pass. Hard pass. Nope, I'll eat the hallway.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm. I'm not going to. Mary doesn't like when we talk about her gas or bowel movement movements, even if she brings it up. But I'm just going to throw this out there. Did she actually go to bathroom and come out and go, ready to eat now? Like, I'm empty. I fill it back up and I was like, oh, my God.

[Dolores Catania]

I was just like, oh, I could not sit in a room with somebody that's barfing.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't be in a. That's a small room there. She's barfing. Mary's using the toilet to empty herself.

[Dolores Catania]

And then she's eating lunch or dinner or whatever even.

[Tamara Judge]

I've been with Paul.

[Dolores Catania]

She hate the girls that much. She'd rather sit in a room filled with barf and eat.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. But listen, I'm just saying, like, all the power to you, Mary. I. I love to eat on an empty stomach.

[Dolores Catania]

An empty.

[Tamara Judge]

I love to empty my bowels and then be able to eat more than I would have. There's more room. Like, I'm ready to go. Then the food comes, and she's like, that's it. Emptied my vows for this.

[Dolores Catania]

That's all I get. That's all I get.

[Tamara Judge]

He is TV gold. I don't care what anybody says. Mary Cosby is TV gold.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep. Yep. So the girls are all sitting down at lunch. Angie's not there. She's seasick. They threatened to Splash Brittany with water. If she says Jared's name. She does. And Meredith dumps a pitcher of water on her head. And I would be a little pissed off about that because it's like, I want to fucking do my hair again. And, you know, I mean, like a. No, no.

[Tamara Judge]

In the Bravo world.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, in the Housewives New Jersey, do not.

[Dolores Catania]

Do not.

[Tamara Judge]

Do not get Teresa's hair wet.

[Dolores Catania]

I would, like, karate chop somebody in the Adam's apple if they dumped water over my head like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, somebody said to me one day, I'm gonna, like, throw water on you if we get in a fight, or I'm gonna throw my drink in your face. And I said, don't do that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I mean, it's one thing if you're in it. It's one thing if you're in a fight. But just joking around, pouring water, I would have been like, you know, seriously big practical joker. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Italians don't think those things are funny.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Whitney's gonna get to the bottom of it with Bronwyn, and she's like, bronwyn, is everything okay? So Brahman tells them she thinks that someone in this group is putting these things out there in the press. Lisa immediately thinks Bronwyn is accusing her. Do you think the way that Lisa acted made her look guilty?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I think that she figured she's going to get blamed.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Mary. Mary actually came out. I think it was Mary. And said, do you believe. Do you think Lisa's doing this?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, Lisa figured. Let me ask you something. Like, why is it like, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. Why is this season. Are they. They trying to get her out?

[Dolores Catania]

They're doing the same thing they did to me.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

They probably want her out.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, tell me, how did you. You know, you spoke about how you felt when this was. Because it's like the kind of the same thing.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, it had. We're not even done. This week is our last episode. So when you. When you see it, your mouth is going to drop.

[Tamara Judge]

When you know the last.

[Dolores Catania]

My mouth dropped? Like, what the actual. Are you kidding me?

[Tamara Judge]

When I. Last time I watched it and two people were running after you saying run.

[Dolores Catania]

And calling you name.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And calling you names.

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[Tamara Judge]

I was like, even. Even the people on the cast that you weren't getting along with didn't like it. But no one's. No.

[Dolores Catania]

But if. Do you understand? If I would have done that. Holy shit. That evil. How dare her do that in screen. Yeah, it's. It's different. I don't even Want to get into it?

[Tamara Judge]

Just. Well, it's the world. Don't we say this all the time, Tamara? It's the world of double standard.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

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[Dolores Catania]

So now the girls get into the water, Heather rides with Captain Jason, and Britney gets jealous that Heather is canoodling with him.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, stop.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Heather says they have a history and they have around before. In her confessional, she's like, I said, what? No, cut it. You cannot say that. I didn't say that. Did I say that? You said it. You said it.

[Tamara Judge]

So these below deck people get around without no boat.

[Dolores Catania]

They get like.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't wait until we see the below deck part of what they're thinking. Like, I don't think they're used to this behavior. No, they were like, they're killing each other. Listen, it gets a lot worse than that, guys.

[Dolores Catania]

I would have liked that trip.

[Tamara Judge]

This is just the appetizer girls.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Tamara Judge]

I would have loved that. I thought it was brilliant. It was absolutely brilliant to do the crossover.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I thought it was good. Very, very smart.

[Tamara Judge]

And they should do it more, save money.

[Dolores Catania]

Angie's throwing up even in the water. Just sitting in the water on the raft, seeing her barfing, like, the poor thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, there's nothing you could do for that.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I know. And so she's being picked up by one of the crew members. At this point, Captain Jason is the Bravo's hot potato. Just being passed around from Bravo ladies.

[Tamara Judge]

She was happy to see him in the room when he came with the ice packs and he started, like, fussing over her.

[Dolores Catania]

So I didn't know that Ice packs. Obviously he would know, but ice packs help if you're throwing up. Could she not take Dramamine? Did somebody hide her? Dramamine? Is there, like, nothing she can take?

[Tamara Judge]

It knocks you out for a very mild case. Right.

[Dolores Catania]

So I don't know. I've never.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't get seasick, get off the boat, go home.

[Dolores Catania]

Eddie gets seasick. And that's why we don't go. We're not boaters.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but just Angie, go home.

[Dolores Catania]

We can go, like on a lake, but like the ocean, he'd be barfing.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I got seasick once on the ocean when my first. I was like 19 on a wave runner in the ocean for the first time in my life. And I woke up the next day with more fever sores on my. The fever sores were so big, they went up into my nose.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, that's dangerous.

[Tamara Judge]

From. From distress and stress. From. Yeah, from being so sick. So it is not fun to be seasick. There is nothing really worse. So I think Angie should leave. Does she stay the whole trip? I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Yeah, she does. Well, so far. I don't know how long they're on this boat. So Whitney and Bronwyn talk in Bronwyn's room. Bronwyn explains that the Internet troll bringing things to the press is calling her Conwyn, which is what Lisa called her at Amy's party. Now they do a flashback, and it shows Lisa calling her fraud win, not con win. And the X account, Twitter. Whatever you want to call it, is calling her con when not fraud win. So they got that wrong.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, Nice try.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think that the. The nickname is a smoking gun.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that the only proof they had?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, it's. It's not a smoking gun. Sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Heather and Whitney, I mean, it's like they're trying to be all the FBI agents here, trying to figure out, like, okay, well, she said this.

[Tamara Judge]

There's nothing you can do, and you can't. You can't accuse someone until you have receipts, timelines.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep. Show me the proof.

[Tamara Judge]

That's it. Listen. Look at looking on the Traders. When you are on the Traders. Dante had a meltdown because he felt like it was so wrong to accuse someone of something they didn't do. I've seen people, and I always say this. I've seen people, innocent people, go to jail for stupid things that they did not do, but their lawyer told them to say something that was wrong and made the jury. I saw someone go to jail for 15 years for something he did not do. I am very. And growing up in my life, my family always said, do not accuse someone unless you know for sure. So even if I'm like, if I don't even. I need to know 100% before I accuse someone of something.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Dolores Catania]

I agree with that 100% too. However, in housewife world, I feel like if anybody hears anything, they turn quick. They turn on you quick, and they want to. They want to accuse you of doing something because some random person brought it to their attention.

[Tamara Judge]

I've had my own friends do it on the show. I've had my own friends. And you know what? My. My very dear friend from Rhode Island, Liz McGraw. Someone tried something, and I didn't. And you know what she said? Not Dolores's style. Got up, left, and came, oh, now that's my friend. That's a solid. Watch out for her. That is a solid girl. She. That's what she did. She said, that's not. That's not my Dolores.

[Dolores Catania]

Or call. Or call that friend and say, hey.

[Tamara Judge]

I just heard this, like, in front of the person.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Who's accusing her of saying it. Yeah. You know, Meredith should have did that. Meredith should have said, oh, let me call Lisa right now. But would Lisa have admitted it if she did it even. What now, Lisa. I kind of believe Lisa did that. I honestly kind of do.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So Heather and Whitney talk in the room about Bronwyn's situation. Heather also thinks that Lisa is behind this. I mean, Heather is really pushing for the fact that it's all Lisa, but it's so confusing because she's talking all this shit, saying it's Lisa, but then she's trying to. Oh, Lisa, don't run away. Like, let me hug you. And Lisa's like, leave me alone. Like, what the fuck are you doing right now?

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, can we go back to when they were all sitting in the room and Whitney was sitting there with her little bikini on and when she went to answer the door, she did like a backflip off the bed. That was a rough one for me.

[Dolores Catania]

Was it a rough one for.

[Tamara Judge]

That was a really rough one for me. I want to talk to her about.

[Dolores Catania]

I just want to see if I can even do that.

[Tamara Judge]

That was unnecessary.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't even want to do that fully clothed, let alone.

[Tamara Judge]

I love that you're skinny, Whitney. You have a great body.

[Dolores Catania]

She looked hot doing it.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't want to see. It's very immature for me. Can we act like women? We a little bit stop wearing costumes and rolling over in our bathing suit. Answer the door instead of just getting up. Like, sit like a lady. You got your bathing suit on. Your tits are out. You're cute.

[Dolores Catania]

You're cute. You're good.

[Tamara Judge]

Close your legs. Sit like a lady.

[Dolores Catania]

Close your legs to married men.

[Tamara Judge]

Close your legs, Whitney. But listen, girl, I'd probably be walking around naked if I looked like you. So I'm just like, just shit talking right now. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, they decide to bring Meredith in and tell her what they are thinking. Meredith. Meredith stays neutral. She's a friend. She's like, I.

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[Dolores Catania]

She's not believing this. These girls are trying so hard to cause an issue between Meredith and Lisa and it's just not working.

[Tamara Judge]

Mind you, Lisa has not always been the best friend to me. I am telling you right now, I am like saying like married to the. I have a lot of respect for her.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Now, so for me, especially after this season, I am taking mental note of the people that I've always been good to and will turn on me in 2.3 seconds because they hear something. You know what? You're not my friend. You are not my friend.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what you're trying to do? You're trying to make good TV thirsty.

[Tamara Judge]

So if you know me, you know there's things I'll do and there's things I'll don't. Because a real friend knows what you're capable of. Right. So Meredith sitting across from Angie could have said when we were fighting, I could probably see Lisa doing that, but she didn't even do that. So when Lisa yells at her, I get pissed off. When Meredith is fighting with someone and there's crickets and Lisa's sitting there, crickets, I get pissed off. I gotta tell you, I get mad at Lisa. I do. I get mad.

[Podcast Promo Voice]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, there's the Internet or Instagram is split. Like, some of them are saying, like, they're beating up on her. They're ganging up on her. Other ones are like, I'm tired of her. She needs to stop crying. She needs to be. Stop running away. And I'm like, she does. But you know what? When you're in that mindset, when something is really internally bothering you and then everybody's coming at you, you just. That that's how I react and that's how she's reacting.

[Tamara Judge]

Who wants to sit there when you're getting beat up? You want to sit there and keep getting hit. You.

[Dolores Catania]

Right?

[Tamara Judge]

That's what people do. Or you. Or you fight back until you can.

[Dolores Catania]

If personally, if I'm being attacked and I'm in a good mental state, I will fight right back with you. But if I'm not like, this stuff doesn't mean anything to me.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Off.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't want to talk to you about it. So I feel like that's how Lisa is. She just gets emotional and she's just. She's running off.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's held her own quite a bit. Like she has, really. Plus, and not to mention, she's got stuff going on at home. Let's not forget that Lisa is also fighting for her marriage at home.

[Dolores Catania]

No one gives a shit about that.

[Tamara Judge]

That's something to talk about.

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[Dolores Catania]

No one gives a about that. They don't give a about what's going on with Bronwyn. All they're. All they care about is who Put this information out there. It's out there.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what?

[Dolores Catania]

There.

[Tamara Judge]

It's. It's what? The allegations are pretty big too. Like, it's like identity theft, all this other stuff. I. Well, I guess. I mean, I can't remember what it was because nobody really. Outside of a flash on the screen.

[Dolores Catania]

No, because they're more worried about Lisa.

[Tamara Judge]

Taking down Lisa.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dolores Catania]

Well, at dinner, Brittany makes a comment about Mary and Heather tells her they don't talk shit about someone if they're not there. So I don't know when this started because it's never happened on any housewife show. That's all they do. Let's talk about the very first episode. All they did was talk about Lisa and Lisa wasn't there. Lisa wasn't there.

[Tamara Judge]

You can't have a housewife show and do that, by the way.

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[Tamara Judge]

But how about Bronwyn, when Brittany was in the. In the dressing room and she starts. And then Bronwyn's like, listen to when you said this. And you said this. I was like, wow, there's jump on that. Because it'll even give more room not to talk about what's going on with you. Yeah, she's classic for doing that. Bronwyn. She's classic for doing that. She wasn't on the scene five. That's what I'm telling you. She's smart. She's very smart. Bronwyn, you. She'll win a war. Awards.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, not so smart.

[Tamara Judge]

Slouch.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, not so smart. Britney claims that she's the only one who says she feels to people's faces. Okay? And Bronwyn disagrees and starts telling Lisa and Meredith everything Britney says about them behind their backs, including Meredith faking seizures.

[Tamara Judge]

Why did. That's not what she meant by it. Okay?

[Dolores Catania]

She knows that. I know. It's like getting like all freaked out. I don't think it's like an actual laying on the ground and having a medical seizure.

[Tamara Judge]

And then. And then now the women take it a step further. My child has seizures and things like that.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Meredith.

[Tamara Judge]

It's euphemism, right?

[Dolores Catania]

Do we not remember last season? I think it was when she said, you can't make fun of her because she's disabled, because she needs a hearing aid or something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

We need to. Let's be realistic. Let's stop digging. And you know, they lose me. They really lose me when they go to a different place. Because you don't need to go there.

[Dolores Catania]

My child had a seizure. She starts saying.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's like, Listen, she wasn't talking. She wasn't making fun of people that had seizures. She was acting. She was. It was euphemism in the way of. The way you get. Right.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. It's like she gets all. Meredith gets pissed off. She throws water on Britney and. I know. And tries to throw it back. And she tries to throw it back at Meredith and didn't even hit her. The glass totally shattered. Shattered. I mean, how many.

[Tamara Judge]

There's Bronwyn with no shoes on standing on top of the glass.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I mean, how many times have we seen water being thrown or wine being thrown? And by the way, I am just gonna take credit because I was the very first one to throw liquid at somebody.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

It was me. Such a very proud moment.

[Tamara Judge]

You broke the ice.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, I broke the ice.

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[Dolores Catania]

Well, actually, if there was ice in the cup, I could have went and went to jail. So thank God there was no ice in the cup because.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Stop it. Right.

[Dolores Catania]

In California, like, throwing wine in someone's face is one thing, but if there's ice, then that is like a weapon.

[Tamara Judge]

Jesus.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

God. Yeah, so.

[Dolores Catania]

So I shouldn't say broke down. Yeah, I know that's. And then I didn't want to know that information.

[Tamara Judge]

That's so cool.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Then Heather, you know, yelling Meredith to turn up your hearing aids. She didn't say Jared's name this time because, remember, earlier they said, throw water.

[Tamara Judge]

Water. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

As this is happening, Mary is in the guest room with Angie. She's too sick. We talked about it already. She's in there throwing up. Why? Why do you think Mary stayed with her? Do you think she really stayed with her?

[Tamara Judge]

Loves Angie.

[Dolores Catania]

She loves Angie.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

Because I might have just went and ate real quick away from the barf, and then went back and hung out with her.

[Tamara Judge]

She loves her. She really does. And. And I would have loved to have seen Mary in that whole big fuss. I would have loved to see what she did and how she acted.

[Dolores Catania]

But poor Angie. I mean, this poor girl. I mean, she had to have known. She gets seasick.

[Tamara Judge]

I felt so. Oh.

[Dolores Catania]

Actually, she said this is the first time she's been on a ship, so she didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh.

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[Dolores Catania]

Did you catch the comment? I think it was made by Angie. She said, I've never been on a ship, but standing. Something about standing next to Lisa will show how thin my ankles are. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's so bad.

[Dolores Catania]

Is that so mean?

[Tamara Judge]

Right?

[Dolores Catania]

That's why I love these Girls, they can say like this. And we don't have to talk about it. In every single episode, she said, my ankles are too thick. My ankles are too thick.

[Tamara Judge]

But that's something. Now here we go. That's something to fight about. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because not seven episodes. Oh, my God. So Heather asks if there's Heather. As if there's anything else that needs to be brought up.

[Tamara Judge]

Up.

[Dolores Catania]

And Whitney brings up the conversation she, Heather and Meredith had in the room.

[Tamara Judge]

I need a minute. I need a minute. I know.

[Dolores Catania]

Meredith says that they should bring it up. Heather is disappointed in Meredith, not Heather and Whitney trying to make Meredith be the messenger. She didn't. And she didn't initiate the conversation. She was brought into it. It was the two of them. Why are they trying to make her be the bad person, the fall guy? She was brought into this. Heather explains it. They think Lisa is the one that fed everything to the blogs. I am so sick of the blog conversations and all.

[Tamara Judge]

There's. We're missing all this stuff around here. Yeah, we're missing this stuff. We're missing the ankle comment. We're missing the actual allegations. We're missing.

[Dolores Catania]

Don't say I have thick ankles. I could just hear the conversation. They get measuring tapes out. They start measuring their ankles. Who's got the biggest ankle? There's so many other things we could be talking about. Lisa is in shock that everyone thinks that and continues to be defensive. And she denies it. I don't think Lisa did this. It was all over the Internet. Don't go on a reality show. You read it tells you everything.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm. I'm gonna go when I'm done and I'm gonna go see when this first started to be talked about. Because Paul will find it on Reddit.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So I don't have Reddit, but when I like.

[Tamara Judge]

Me neither.

[Dolores Catania]

No, but if I need information, I will. Yeah, but do you have. You have to have like an app, the actual app, to go on it.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dolores Catania]

Because I've had. I've had things sent to me by Reddit and I'll just open it up. But do you have to have like a membership to. To comment and stuff? So how it works, everything, like, he's.

[Tamara Judge]

He sees that. He knows it. Yeah. He lets me know something. I'm like, Paul, I don't want.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. So it's. It's been all over the. The Internet. If you have skeletons, it's going to come out. You gotta expect it to come out. These girls are trying to gaslight Lisa.

[Tamara Judge]

Of course.

[Dolores Catania]

Course she's going to be upset. Lisa, you're lucky that I even talked to any of you. I'm telling you, that's how I felt this season. Oh, God. I just want to give her a hug. Why are the girls.

[Tamara Judge]

She was so hurt. So I found out that this was going on. I was like cleaning my garage and I get a garage. Yeah. Because I have a lot of donations. People drop off stuff for the shelter. My garage is full. It's a lot of work, but whatever. So I get a call from my friend Christina Postein and she's like, did you see what they did to Lisa Barlow? It's horrible. It's disgusting. I'm like, what? I gotta go home and watch it. So that's. I mean, I. Well, I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

Nobody likes a gang up. No one likes a gang up. And I feel like that's what. What's going on and why are the girls so confused by Lisa's. Lisa's reaction? She has a right to be pissed. She has a right to be upset. She goes and calls John about what happened. Heather follows her as if she gives a. Lisa tells her to get the away. Get the away. When John answered Lisa's call, he probably wished he would have sent her to voicemail because she's just like.

[Tamara Judge]

He's like, you don't know what to say. He's like, don't be sad. Like if I. She calls. She cries a lot, though. Listen, this is a different type of cry. But I've seen Lisa get hysterical because they told her that her makeup, her glam couldn't come to the hotel. Like, I've seen her actually unravel over that. So she loses credibility of that crying to me. Because if you cry too easily, then I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna feel bad. But this was.

[Dolores Catania]

But there's other things to go after Lisa about. She gets a little. She'll pretentious at times. She thinks she's up here and everybody else is down there sometimes.

[Tamara Judge]

But very confident.

[Dolores Catania]

She's very confident, very condescending. And when she got to the yacht, they offered her a tequila drink or something. And she's like, I'll drink this once. But from moving forward, I'm only drinking Vita Tequila.

[Tamara Judge]

So I can see that Lisa cannot be very self aware at times. Most times. But I also find like Christina Pasina was telling me because she's, she's so. She's like, you know, Dolores, Lisa's a very good friend. When she's your friend.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think that. That's very true.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know, nothing irks me more than when somebody says something like, I get shit for being friends with you.

[Tamara Judge]

Who's ever said that to you? Because I've, I've gotten shit from being friends with people on my show.

[Dolores Catania]

And I know somebody said that, somebody said that about me on our show and I thought, wow, then don't be friends with me in my mind.

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[Dolores Catania]

So Heather said something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I get shit for being friends with you. Don't do me any fucking favor.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what? Out of my life.

[Tamara Judge]

Then guess what? A friend.

[Dolores Catania]

Bye.

[Tamara Judge]

A friend wouldn't tell me that that was said about me because I can tell you how many DMS and text messages I get. Why are you friends with someone like that? And I don't call the person and say somebody just said that to me. And by the way, I happen to like Heather. I like her when I've met her. I like her kids. I like her. I think she looks freaking great.

[Dolores Catania]

She looks amazing. She's doing. She's a staple to the show. Absolutely staple.

[Tamara Judge]

But I could not understand why she is a staple. But I could not understand. And she's on her second book. I could not understand why she was mad at Meredith for not, like, backing her up on her accusations to Lisa. She's not backing you up on this because, number one, she's Lisa's friend. And number two, you don't have any proof, Heather.

[Dolores Catania]

Right, Right. If you don't have any proof. All the way off.

[Tamara Judge]

And you see Whitney, when they were running around the table after each other, I thought it was like a. Like a skit. Like, it was almost comical, Whitney getting up and going nearer, and she's running away from her. Get away from me in New Jersey, I'm going to tell you, that would have become a fist fight.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't touch us when we're upset. Don't put your. If you're the one that just upset me, get your fucking hands off me. And don't even come five feet near me, because I'm trying my best to keep my hands off of you. So you're really like. I mean, I guess it's different here, but I got nervous when Whitney went up and went close to her because I'm like, oh, my God, she's gonna hit her with something.

[Dolores Catania]

She hit her.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Elbow to the chest.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh. Or like, when. Or when Lisa went to Heather and put her hands on her face, I.

[Dolores Catania]

Was like, oh, that scared me right there. Somebody done that to me. Like, you know, in this season on my show, somebody grabbed my wrist. Grab my wrist. And I. I still got blamed for grabbing that person's wrist. When I did not grab. They grabbed my wrist. And people sent me messages, like, I'm surprised you didn't knock her out.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm surprised you didn't put your hand. Don't get so close to someone that's in that hysteria. That's how bad things happen. Yes, it is.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, so this is confusing me. So Heather says quotations. Why is it so bad to be accused of knowing everything? Okay, Heather, I would love to see somebody accuse you, Heather Gay, of leaking stuff and digging up dirt on her cast and taking it well. She would lose her shit.

[Tamara Judge]

Is Heather saying that she knows everything?

[Dolores Catania]

She's just saying, why is it so bad to be accused of knowing everything? Like, you know, like, Lisa just knows everything.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, people tell her stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

People tell all of us stuff. I actually got DMS that people are sending me about Angie. And I'm like, no. Nope, not doing.

[Tamara Judge]

Tell me later.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I will.

[Tamara Judge]

Thanks.

[Dolores Catania]

So then Brittany tries to give Meredith a hug while she's on the phone with John, which was odd and weird. Like, don't touch Me and Brittany brings Heather to show her where Meredith is.

[Tamara Judge]

There's a cooling off period, guys. I mean lit this fire and now you're trying to hug her.

[Dolores Catania]

But what. Wasn't that a cool shot though? I don't know what she was sitting on. Sitting on the dock of the bay. She was just sitting at the, like out in the middle of the ocean. Her feet are dangling over everywhere.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you see all the little like.

[Dolores Catania]

She'S just sitting there crying to John, to John. Britney's trying to hug her. I'm like just the shot, like the wide shot of that looks the camera work on. That was so good. So good. Congratulations camera guy.

[Tamara Judge]

I want there was something more to that call to John, to me than just her being upset and calling because here she is, their marriage is in like some trouble. Seems like it, yeah. And he was the first person she called. She doesn't come from a close family. She's talked about that a lot, lot of times. He is her world. When you pick up the phone, when you're that hysterical and you're that upset, that person that you pick up the phone to call is your world. That is who you have to run to and that's your person. So why are we not talking about her marriage and how much she needs to fix it?

[Dolores Catania]

Because they don't give a shit. Trust me, I know Lisa. I'm living it right now.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen to me. You gotta listen to me. You have to start listening to your husband because he's standing in front of you asking you to listen to him. Like if you don't figure it out, guys. Because I really would like to see that marriage day.

[Dolores Catania]

It is. I think it's gonna be fine. I think we all go through ups and downs in marriage. Like it's not. I don't think it's anything earth shattering. We haven't gotten more information on it, but I'm sure we will. But what do you think was more cringe of Britney trying to flirt with Captain Jason asking for the tour or consoling Lisa and trying to hug her when she didn't want to be touched.

[Tamara Judge]

The tour?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

He's like, well, because she got turned down by it. Like big time thing is like if you ask a guy for something, she's basically saying, give me a tour, it's late at night and show me around basically throwing it in his face. And then he was.

[Dolores Catania]

He's like, zero.

[Tamara Judge]

She couldn't give it away. Like she was basically trying to give it. And he was like, yeah, I've been up since 4 in the morning. I'm. I'm good.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Well, I got a few fan thoughts here.

[Tamara Judge]

Lisa.

[Dolores Catania]

Lisa's exhausting. Crying to John now. Glo Williams says, I don't think Lisa did this. It's a takedown Lisa season. And you know, we all have that takedown season. And. And I think that's what it is. M Dot L. Hartman, Lisa is the source of all leaks. Okay. And Verone, I think it's Whitney, the rumor spreader from day one. It's Whitney. So now they're all jumping to conclusions here on social media. And then Jem, Bree says that Meredith pouring water on Britney was hilarious and one of the best episodes in a long time. This was a great episode.

[Tamara Judge]

It was a great episode. Last week was a great episode. But if you take Lisa Barlow, if you guys are gonna boycott her and you take her off, then all you have to do is turn on each other. Think about that real quick. I think you guys really.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Might want to rethink how you're structuring this whole thing here because.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, you might wanna think twice about the girl you're trying to kick off the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Think about that.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm like, not all have jobs.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying Lisa Barlow is the show. I'm saying, wait, I don't like to give anybody want any one person this. But she certainly is. You guys are making her the show. And you're forgetting about. There's other people with issues that you need to address. And there's a lot other things other than blaming her on bloggers. Okay, we've heard enough about it. When somebody comes to you with the proof, the timelines, receipts, whatever the hell else she said in that, you know, little list that she had, when you come up with that, then you. Screenshots, timelines, receipts, when you have that to me. If not, let's move on to something else.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Because you might watch what you wish for, ladies.

[Dolores Catania]

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[Tamara Judge]

Because then you have only your. Your Each other to turn on next if she ain't there.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Well, thanks guys, for tuning into another episode of Two T's in a Pod. I am going to be with Dolores for the next week or two. Week or two. Until Bravo. Con. Teddy's resting up right now.

[Tamara Judge]

Teddy, we need you. Right.

[Dolores Catania]

Feel good.

[Tamara Judge]

We need you to feel good. And we love you. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I believe she has another round of immunotherapy. So I will be seeing you for the next two weeks.

[Tamara Judge]

I hate the reason you see me, but I enjoy it very much.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I know it's hard. We're just wishing Teddy all the best right now. She's not prayers.

[Tamara Judge]

She's not feeling too great. Yeah. So.

[Dolores Catania]

Love you, Ted.

[Tamara Judge]

Love you.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, well, see you real soon.

[Tamara Judge]

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