OC Under Oath (RHOC Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: OC Under Oath (RHOC Recap)

Original Air Date: September 1, 2025
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19, Episode 8, with hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge (though from the transcript, it seems Teddi may be co-hosting elsewhere, possibly with Erica J.). The discussion centers on the fallout from an explosive cast trip, lie detector drama, fractured friendships, and the tangled web of secrets and betrayals swirling among Katie, Gretchen, Jen, and the rest of the group. The hosts mix personal anecdotes, pointed critiques, and real Housewives expertise as they break down the latest RHOC chaos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cast Trip Aftermath & Production Demands

• Erica J.: The cast trip was exhausting—even the viewers love it, the schedule is brutal.
  • “You’re going to bed at 5am and waking up at 10 to do it all again. It’s a lot.” (04:23)
• The trip took place in a beautiful location in Italy, but all the housewives had their own rooms—no forced roommate drama this year. (04:49)

2. Shannon’s Family Moment: ‘Gene the Machine’

• Discussion of Shannon’s sweet scene with her 96-year-old dad, Gene:
  • “Gene the Machine...96 also. And just bright and sharp and with it…” (06:13)
  • “Shannon, if you’re listening...I am so jealous of your father.” (05:36)
• Humorous highlight: A Marilyn Monroe impersonator serenades Gene for his birthday. (06:25)

3. Gretchen, Katie & the ‘Drugged at the Hospital’ Rumor

• Gretchen allegedly confided in Katie that she was “drugged” and had to go to the hospital; controversy erupts when this information circulates.
  • Gretchen claims she felt in a “safe space” talking to Katie, but Erica counters: “There’s no such safe space with Katie.” (07:49)
• Kiki Monique joins the scene: confirms Katie told her about Gretchen’s ‘drugged’ story and shares that Gretchen felt deeply betrayed. (07:59)
• The recurring theme: Do not involve outside reporters or sources in Housewives drama—it breaks the ‘fourth wall’ and is regarded as a major no-no.
• "When you use the word drugged...now we’re stepping into something else other than a Housewife show.” (10:29, Erica J.)

4. Gina’s Comment Controversy

• Gina allegedly made a possibly insensitive comment about Katie’s jacket: “Is that an Asian designer?” (11:10)
  • Gina insists it was intended as a compliment or question given Katie’s prior support for Asian designers.
  • Both hosts agree there wasn’t necessarily racist intent, but acknowledge the shifting social climate and how context matters.

5. Friendship Integrity & Jen’s ‘Pretend Amnesia’

• Why is Jen seemingly getting a pass for her involvement, while all attention is on Katie?
  • Teddi: “It’s everybody focusing on Katie and nobody focusing on the fact that Jen has pretend amnesia.” (12:35)
  • Erica: “I think Katie is in the forefront, then they can turn their sights on Jen. It’s one person at a time.” (12:43)

6. Lie Detector Test Drama at the Persian New Year Party

• Emily hosts a Persian New Year party with a surprise polygraph twist (echoes of previous Bravo polygraph moments).
  • “Lie detector test was the same guy that did the Vanderpump lie detector test with Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy…maybe we should call them.” (24:13)
• Katie is visibly anxious and has to leave the room for the bathroom—her stress and possible guilt are noted by the hosts. (26:38)
• Tests delivered mixed results and dubious conclusions, raising skepticism about polygraph validity:
  • “A polygraph is not perfect. We see people pass that shouldn’t...Make of it what you will.” (35:06)
  • “The camera does not lie here, though.” (35:17)

7. Breakdown of Key Lie Detector Results (31:47–35:44)

• Tamra: Fails on admitting possibly being on the spectrum (“Semantics here.”)
• Jen: Fails when denying she has reservations about marrying Ryan; hosts affirm it’s normal to have doubts.
• Heather: Fails when denying she called the paparazzi at Disneyland — “Disappointed in this answer. But, who cares?” (30:09)
• Gretchen: Passes denying she told Katie/Jen she was ‘drugged,’ causing confusion since footage suggests otherwise.
• Katie: Fails multiple questions about spreading rumors and disclosing information to Kiki and Alexis. Her denials are increasingly hollow.
  • “She didn’t pull it out of thin air. I do believe Gretchen told Katie that and Katie repeated it to Kiki.” (32:48)

8. Trust, Group Dynamics, and Katie’s Fallout

• Jen fails to back Katie up, leaving her isolated and prompting speculation about friendship within the group. (37:52)
• Gina confronts Katie about making her sound racist, and Emily tells Katie to leave the party—a possible end to her time with this cast. (38:06)
• Hosts’ reflections on trust:
  • “If all she would have done has been a little honest, I bet they would want to do this.” (39:44)
  • “Everybody makes mistakes in this group...But when you work this hard to isolate everybody...that takes something.” (39:47)

9. What’s Next for the Season?

• With the group now united against Katie, hosts wonder what drama will surface next.
  • “With Katie gone, what are you talking about? Well, everybody has to go to work...showing up and being honest.” (45:13)
  • Prediction: The group will eventually turn on each other once their common ‘villain’ is out.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Filming Demands

• “You’re going to bed at 5am and waking up at 10 to do it all again. It’s a lot.” (04:23, Erica J.)

On Family & Gene’s Scene

• “Gene the Machine...96 also. And just bright and sharp and with it.” (06:13, Teddi)
• “Shannon, if you’re listening...I am so jealous of your father.” (05:36, Erica J.)

On Housewives ‘Rules’

• “The whole thing about bringing, quote, outside reporters in—this is not the way you do Housewives.” (09:15, Erica J.)

On Gretchen & Katie’s Dynamic

• “I think Gretchen told her and I think Gretchen told her...I don’t know that Gretchen can keep track of what she’s saying.” (09:50, Teddi)
• “When you use the word drugged...now we’re stepping into something else other than a Housewife show.” (10:29, Erica J.)

On Polygraphs & Truth

• “A polygraph is not perfect. We see people pass that shouldn’t...Make of it what you will.” (35:06, Erica J.)
• “The camera does not lie here, though.” (35:17, Teddi)
• “She didn’t pull it out of thin air. I do believe Gretchen told Katie that and Katie repeated it to Kiki.” (32:48, Erica J.)

On Group Trust & Honesty

• “If you are gonna run your mouth, you need to run up...” (12:17, Teddi)
• “You can’t tell everybody else about the person you’re talking about.” (12:24, Erica J.)
• “If all she would have done has been a little honest, I bet they would want to do this.” (39:44, Teddi)

Choosing Sides

• “Would you rather be friends with Katie or Gretchen? ...Neither.” (35:33, Erica J.)
• “Inside of this group...that would not be my choice of friends.” (36:08, Erica J.)
• “Everybody makes mistakes in this group...But when you work this hard to isolate everybody...that takes something.” (39:47, Erica J.)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cast Trip Recap: 04:05–04:56
• Shannon and Gene Family Moment: 05:36–06:51
• Gretchen/Katie/Kiki Confrontation: 07:12–08:50
• Housewives 'Code' & External Drama: 09:15–10:02
• Lie Detector at Emily’s Persian New Year Party: 13:11–14:47; 23:09–35:44 (results and reactions)
• Polygraph Deep Dive & Flaws: 34:44–35:44
• Katie’s Fallout & Expulsion: 37:52–39:47
• Season Predictions & What's Next: 44:05–45:55
• Personal Life Updates (Hosts): 46:14–49:36

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Tone & Language

The hosts maintain their classic blend of candid, witty, and eyebrow-raising commentary. They’re unafraid to call out Housewives-breaking “rules,” examine cast motivations, or poke fun at Bravo-verse antics (“A razzie for that performance!”). They offer empathy for vulnerable moments but demand accountability for lies and manipulations, emulating the no-nonsense approach that franchise fans love.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a full-spirited, detail-packed Housewives recap that goes beyond the surface. With sharp analysis, playful banter, and bites of insider wisdom, Teddi and her co-host dissect the group dynamics, dish on the polygraph spectacle, and prepare fans for the stormy aftermath of Katie's ouster and shifting allegiances in OC.

Recommended for:

• RHOC superfans
• Viewers interested in cast psychology & production dynamics
• Anyone who appreciates shade mixed with shrewd reality TV analysis

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Transcript

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the Rough. And I'm so happy to say that I'm back with Erica J.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Hey babe. How are you?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I'm good. How are you?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I missed you.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I missed you too. Like, where have you. You've been all over the place.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I've been all over the place and we just got back from our cast trip.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Ooh, is it going to be a juicy one?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's does not disappoint.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

It does not disappoint. And level of 1 to 10, how exhausted are you now?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I mean, I'm okay now, but when I came home I was definitely sleepy, you know, like a little, you know, those things and I, I know that the viewers really enjoy them, but they're very difficult to make and you know this. It's like, you know, you're going to bed at 5am and waking up at 10 to do it all again. It's a lot.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, it's pretty nonstop.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, it's pretty non stop. But we stayed in the most beautiful Teddy, I'm telling you. I think it's the most beautiful place we've ever stayed.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Really?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, we had a great trip. Food was beautiful. Love Italy. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Was there any room? Meeting up or. Everybody had their own rooms.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Everybody had their own room now. No, everybody had their own room. It was, it was none of that. But yeah, it was really great.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

None of that great. So we have Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19 Episode 8 Here we are. Here we are. Before the episode even starts, we get the flashback reminder of Katie and her husband having the discussion and Matt going, hey, you might as well just call, you know, tell them they're fucking liars.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Right?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So I'm curious if we're gonna have the same stance on this, but we'll get there when we get there. It starts out with Shannon, her dad.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Jean, how sweet is this man? And how sharp. Oh, my God, Shannon, if you're listening, you know, I didn't have a dad. I am so jealous of your father. Your relationship with your dad, he just seems like a gentleman and sharp and fabulous.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I enjoy this. Oh, hilarious.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Of course, I enjoyed this so much because I just think it's wonderful.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, he's very, like, old school in the way that he, like, talks.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, but it's Gene the Machine. He's a gentleman.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Gene the Machine. Gene the machine. 96 also.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And just bright and sharp. And with it, knew how to give.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

It to her, like, well, I won't be driving today.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Adorable.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Stick it to her a little bit. Make a joke.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Jean the Machine, you are precious.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Then a Marilyn Monroe impersonator comes out and brings Gene a Gene the Machine hat and sings him Happy Birthday.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Love it. Why not? Yeah, love it. 96 once. I mean, most people. Most people get to 96, and when they do, they're not as sharp as Jean the Machine.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Jean the Machine. I love that. Shannon also goes, you know, I don't want to date anyone right now. As if she wasn't just on a reality dating show.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

This is true. And her dad kind of gave it to her. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I love it.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, he definitely kind of gave it to her. Then we've got where. What is that restaurant they go to, Matt?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Javier's.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, that was Javier's, but no, the restaurant where Gretchen and Gina meet for lunch.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Oh, I don't know about that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I feel like I've seen that place a lot of times.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, we always see the same places. And you know why?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Where they can get. While Gretchen and Gina meet for lunch, Gretchen explains to Gina that she doesn't understand why Katie would be bringing up any conversation to a reporter. Gretchen does say she thought it was in a safe space when having that conversation. So it makes it seem like she did reveal the information.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yes. And there is no such safe space with a reporter. It's not. You can't do that. Right.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But no, she's saying she was in a safe space when she was having a conversation. With Katie is what I think she was saying.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Again, there's no safe space with Katie.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Which is what we find out as we go on.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You know, I know you say you're gonna see it differently, but.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Well, then Kiki. Monique meets up with them. Kiki clarifies that Katie did tell her that Gretchen had to go to the hospital because she was drugged. She also says Gretchen is feeling extremely betrayed. And then Kiki also tells them that Katie brought Gina's name up about implying that Gina made a racist comment about Katie's jacket. Is that an Asian designer? Then when Kiki leaves, Gretchen starts crying about how messed up it is. Gretchen's performance here is kind of embarrassing to me. I think, like, she deserved a razzie for it.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

A razzie. Well, look, I think when you do these things, this is what happens, you know?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So let's break down because I haven't really been talking to you about this. So because you've been gone, you have more of an issue with Katie here than you do with Gretchen.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, I dislike both behavior, but Katie's has gone on longer than Gretchen's.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, Gretchen's has potentially been going on since the beginning of time. We don't know. We didn't watch it.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, I'm just. But I didn't watch it back then, so I was gonna let like the over 15 year old beef die. But apparently it's still al. You know what I mean?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Like, okay, and here we go.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And here we go.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But the whole thing about bringing, quote, outside reporters in, like, this is not the way you do housewives. I'm sorry, that's just not what you do. The show is about a group of women and friendships within that you don't drag in outside sources. To do what? To fight your battles for you to leak information. Like, this is not what's going on. If I was in charge of this show, I would absolutely say that's a no. No.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, well, it's not only a no. I mean, granted, I'm not giving Katie a free pass here, but I am saying I do think Gretchen told her.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, very possible.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Even though I don't. You know, we'll get to lie detector test later. But I think Gretchen told her and I think Gretchen told her. I don't know that Gretchen can keep track of what she's saying because sometimes she says that she did go to the hospital.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Sometimes she says, I saw that too. Like she's. It's kind of semantics. No, I said I was saying sick enough to go to the hospital. The drugged thing was. And I remember in Atlanta when there was that whole accusation of, well, Phaedra brought out that Candy had potentially, Candy and Todd were going to drug Portia. Like, this is. You know, we didn't see Phaedra after that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, we didn't. Yeah, we didn't see Phaedra.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And so this, to me, when you use the word drugged and shit like that, like, now we're stepping into something else other than a housewife show.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So in your mind, you think Gretchen. This is before Gretchen was back on the. She goes to dinner with Jen and Gretchen and their husbands, and they are all just shit talking. And then all of a sudden, Gretchen doesn't realize it's going to come back and bite her in the ass.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Right. And this is what happens when you do that. When you go to dinner off camera and you have your husbands and you have these conversations. You never have a clean chance here. Yeah. And that's. That's really what. In my opinion, that's what this is.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And then what are your thoughts on this Gina comment?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Which Gina comment?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Gina commenting. Oh, is that an Asian designer?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I mean, I don't know, but it didn't feel like it was a slight.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, Gina then later on says, you know, she was saying it as a compliment, like, or as a question or as a compliment. But then she. But then it made it seem like she was putting her down because I guess when Katie first came on the show, she said, I'm only gonna be wearing Asian designers. And it was this cool thing, and she was excited about it. But then she started coming on wearing only, like, Balenciaga and like.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Oh. So it changed.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

It changed.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

It changed.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She had.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, you can criticize her for changing if you're saying, I'm only going to do this, which is great. Support whom you want to support. And I don't, you know. Was it Caddy? Possibly. I need more context.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I think we're good. Well, I think we'll probably get some. But I think after this episode, we don't see Katie much anymore.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

That's what I was told.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. I think that this is. And we just. Little super tease. I think I have Katie on the pod next week.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Do you really?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I think so. So I'll be able to. Because what I think's happening is I think Katie had the potential and has the potential to be a good housewife.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. But you can't run your mouth like this.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But you can't run your mouth like this. And if you can't if you are gonna run your mouth, you need to run up.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You gotta own up.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

You gotta own up to it and.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Do it to your face.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You can't tell everybody else about the person you're talking about.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But then why is everybody else acting like Jen wasn't a part of this conversation?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Because it's easier to focus on Katie.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, but then it's everybody focusing on Katie and nobody focusing on the fact that Jen has pretend amnesia.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, you know what? It's a real thing. That pretend amnesia can be a real thing. But I think that there's. Look, Katie is in the forefront, and then I think they can turn their sights onto Jen. I think it's one person at a time.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I mean, do we think that Gretchen needs to involve and pray in every single episode when it comes to the female drama?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I really don't.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I don't either. Then the girls arrive at Emily's Persian New Year party.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I didn't even know Shane was Persian, but I found out.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Oh, yeah. Well, I knew because they had had a party back before. But I didn't know anything about the egg thing.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I don't know anything about this egg. I don't know anything. I. I didn't know it was Persian New Year. I. I didn't know anything about the culture.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I also didn't know it was a different date. I couldn't believe Tamara knew to ask if it was a different date.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I mean, very interesting.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I know.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I did notice that, you know, Shane and Emily. Emily's, you know, obviously upset by Luke's diagnosis and Luke's behavior and how he kind of, I guess, slid backwards after New Orleans.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And men and women see things differently. And I know that she feels, you.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Know, and I think men have a different way of wanting to express it, especially when you're on camera.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, men want to solve problems. They don't. They just don't communicate and do things like we do. And yes, the camera makes everything worse.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Everything worse. And she's. You can tell that Emily's internalizing a lot.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

A lot. A lot. It hurts. Yep.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

It hurts. And Shane, I think, is trying for. Whether he does it all the time or whether he does it solely when they're on camera, is trying to downplay it because I think he doesn't want it to be as.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Or just be calm.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I think that's just a man's reaction. Like, let's not run away with the emotion. Let's stay with the facts. Let's stay.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But I mean, it's hard when you're.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Very difficult and it's your kid. And it's just. It's. It's.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And there's so many unanswered questions at this point.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Right. They just. It's. It's hard.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And so she's having, you know, to go back and forth between, you know, the drama with the housewives and her.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Child and her child and the child supersedes everything, of course, you know, as. As it should.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Heather tells Emily and Gina how pissed Tamara was that no one reached out to Tamara. Do you consider a reach out the night of a. Something happening a reach out or you'd want a post reach out. So that was really.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

What.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Because the girls are saying, some of us are like, we reached out that night.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I think it's an individual thing. Sometimes I think people need space. Sometimes I think people need in the moment, like, hey, that was pretty rough. Are you all right? For me, it's an individual thing. And it's also. I also want to say this. It can be manipulative. Yeah. What if we're not, you know, oh, I. But I reached out to you. It's like, bitch, don't. Yeah. You know, stop the fucking games. I think it's an individual case by.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Case basis, but if you saw somebody really struggling, I would.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I mean, I think. I wouldn't be like, hey, I think that episode we saw Tamara struggling.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. And I would probably reach out no matter how and be like, look, none of this is that important. You know what I mean? Like, this is not that important. Important.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

None of this is that important.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

None of this is correct.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Then they kind of show. They do a little flashback to a scene of Tamara and Heather talking, which this made me think. They really can't even go half an episode or a full episode without Tamara.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, you can't.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

You can't.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You can't.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So it's like, you know, there's a select amount of housewives where that. That happens.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yes. And she's one of them.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She's one of them.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. And that's just the way it is down there.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

That is. I mean, it's just like if you're.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Going to cut Kyle out of, you know, you can't do that. You can't, you can't. You know, you just can't.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

There's just. There's something that brings everybody together, whether it's to fight or to get along or to have fun moments.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And that's what that, you know, that's what glue. The glue that Tamara is.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. But Katie is annoyed that she is on the outs with everyone because she is the one keeping Gretchen's secret.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

What is the secret again?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

The secret is that Gretchen actually told her all of this stuff about going to the hospital.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Ah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And so she keeps telling everybody. You know, I didn't say anything to Kiki Monique. I did. And. And why.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Why is Katie keeping Gretchen secret? She doesn't owe her anything.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Because I think she doesn't want to admit that she told Kiki Monique, but.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I also think Kiki Monique just sat there and outed you, and Kiki Monique is gonna do what's right for Kiki Mo'. Nique.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Do you know what I'm saying? And you can't blame Kiki Monique.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

No. She's gonna do what's right for her.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

She's gonna do what's right for her. And I thought that she came in and she was reasonable. It didn't feel like she was.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She wasn't trash talking.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No. She was pretty straightforward. But again, we can't, in my opinion, do these things on the show because now you're pulling in these other things that. Look, guys, the show was within the cast.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Keep it there.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And if Katie really wanted to bring up that past thing, she should have just brought it up.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yep.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She should have just said, hey, Tamara, if I were you, I probably wouldn't trust Gretchen, because not even six months ago, she said the following to me.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. And honestly, it would have given Katie a lot of points within the group.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, I think so, too. And then Gretchen would have had to.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Own up her own shit.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. But instead, now it's drawing all these weird faces.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Whenever you start to do that, just advocate for yourself.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Say what you know.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Say what you know.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

It's the best policy.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Then the girls write down questions they have for each person, which I thought.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Was kind of fun.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I thought it was kind of fun, but I wanted to see each of the questions.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I was like, hold on. Can we scroll in a little bit here?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, it felt a little.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

They're cute shoes.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Thanks. I like these. They're nice.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

They're cute.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Thank you. You gotta get a pair of super comfy.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

That's what I was thinking. I was like, hey, these are very. These look fine.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And you can wear them all the time.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, don't mind us. We got a little sidetracked. But then Tamara does arrive, which is good.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

As she should.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She arrives and she seems. She seems more settled.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yep.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Like, she seems more settled. She arrives. Emily tells Tamara today will be pivotal for the group. And Katie goes to the bathroom because she feels sick. At this point, they're not serving alcohol at the event, which hasn't really fully tipped anybody off on why they might not be, which is because they have.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

The lie detector test.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. But they don't know they're having the.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Lie detector test yet, which is kind of awesome.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Which is pretty great.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But I didn't like that the lie detector test was the same guy that did the Vanderpump lie detector test with Lucy. Lucy Apple. Juicy. I'm serious. So I think that maybe there has to be some other service. Like, maybe we should call them.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, maybe we.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I did like the female, though. I thought that she was interesting.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I thought she was interesting, too. But I was like, if it's the same company over and over again, like.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

What are we doing?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

What are we doing? Is this the only guy we can get?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And also I'm tired of the lie detector gag. However, in this particular situation was kind of interesting.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

They gave us more information on what makes you pass a lie detector. Jess. Which then I wonder, because Katie's in a state of anxiety. Is.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Is this your big thing? This is how you're going to defend this?

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I don't know. She failed every single question. I mean, did they. I would assume there's questions we saw that we didn't see.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, they're going to say things like, is your.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Is your name Katie?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Right? Are you. Is your name Teddy Mellencampe?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I want to know, did she fail those answers, too? Probably not, because I think they said that she failed all of them.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, I want to say probably the important ones, that they were, you know, not the obvious. Is the sky blue? Which I'd have been like, which sky? I have no idea. What are you talking about? I don't know. You know, whatever. So. God.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But. So there's a little scene. There's a tiny little clip of it. It's about five seconds.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Pretty telling.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Where Katie goes. I don't know what to ask. And Jen goes. Gretch.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Gretchen.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Gretchen.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

That means Jen knows. Jen knows. Jen knows.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Jen knows.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So why is Jen keeping her mouth shut about all of this?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Would you want to get in this fight?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I would at least say Gretchen, you told us all this.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Maybe she's trying to protect Gretchen as well.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

More than her best friend, Katie.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, when you're saving your own hide, you have no best friends.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

True. But I mean, come on. It really. I don't know. And then Gina saying to Gretchen, there's a plan really makes it seem like the lie detector people were given specific instructions.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. I mean, duh.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So then the girls go to take the lie detector test, and Katie, like.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Has to go to the bathroom because she's having a lot of anxiety.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. She has to go to the bathroom.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She's gagging or who knows what's happening.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Whatever's happening.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

We're hearing noise.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

We're hearing noise. Maybe she's vomiting.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Maybe she's vomiting. She's. At this point, I'm like. All I can think about is the LVP guy and puppy gate. So that's. I'm getting.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You're having your own anxiety.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I'm having my own.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You're on post. But you know what's interesting? Like, in the grand scheme of things, when you look at this now, are you like.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I'm like, why did I care? About that.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

That's right.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Why did I care about that? And I don't even remember if she passed or failed the lie detector test.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I think he passed her.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

He passed her.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

He passed her.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

He passed her. But then she was never seen again.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You know what I mean? He passed her. She was never seen again. You do the math.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, so.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But, you know, God bless.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Also, I read something that if you don't. If you're not, like, delayered to a certain point, the lie detector tests don't even really work.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You mean on your skin?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

On your skin, yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, here's the other thing, too. It is. There are different levels of polygraph and different skill levels of people that administer them. I think, like the, you know, whomever's doing it in law enforcement, probably a lot better than the one they got for us in Orange County.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Have you ever had to take one?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Hell, no.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, me neither.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I wonder if I could pass one or if I'd be too jittery even if I wasn't lying.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, that's a certain level of expectation. You should be somewhat nervous. It's like if the police come to the house and say that, it's like, you know. Yeah, the fuck is this? There's a certain level of expectation in people to have anxiety. Just at a base level.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Okay. So you'd be like, oh, we'll see.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But they ask a bunch of questions. Do we wanna go down these one by one?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I mean, the lie detector moderator comes down to read the results. Tamara failed her answer of yes. Being told she was on the spectrum. Thoughts?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, I think she said I could be.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Semantics here.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Semantics. So I think that is the semantics.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But she took a lot of shit for that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She took a lot of shit for it in real time.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. And shouldn't say it again. Like, don't say it again. Just let it go. Jen significantly failed her answer. No. To the question of if she had any reservations about marrying Ryan.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

What do you think that is? Do you think that's about the financial stuff?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

It's about all of it. And I think that that's pretty normal. Look, we see on these shows. And I'm gonna even, like, say, my own past marriage, trying to put the best, you know, foot forward.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Showing the best.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, showing the best of the relationship. You two. All of us. And, you know, the truth is, like, yeah, I would be nervous, too. Yeah, you know, I would be nervous, too.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And she has a lot of kids.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

She has a lot of kids, a lot of responsibilities, and he's got his own thing going, which we've talked about. And so, sure, yeah. You know, Heather passed hers if she wanted to, and she prefers. Yeah. Beverly Hills. Come on by, you know, And I get it. I mean, you know. Come on by, girl. Come on by. Heather failed the answer of no for calling the paparazzi at Disneyland. I'm disappointed in this.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I know.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I'm disappointed in this answer. I know I want disappointed in this answer. I wanted her to pass that because I didn't think that. It just doesn't sound like so what? I mean, it doesn't sound like Heather. Feel like Heather, and what's the big deal?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And who cares?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Exactly. Who cares?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Who cares?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But I was disappointed in this answer. Gretchen passed her answer of no to the question of if she told Katie and Jen that she was drugged.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

How is that possible? This is where I'm struggling.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

So I am too. So let's talk this out. Okay. So she passes the lie detector test, but we see her say something. So what is going on here?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

We've seen her say four different things, Right? So maybe she genuinely doesn't. Maybe she was out, they were partying it up. She knows she told some form of the story. She doesn't know what extent she got into and what she embellished and what she didn't see.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

When you're saying drugged, though, that's like you're stepping into a place that's like.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And you also know if you went to the hospital or not.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Hell yeah, you do.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

You know, if you go to a.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Hospital, you really do. You really do.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And we've heard her, we've heard her say to Tamara, we've heard her say to multiple people, no, I didn't, or I needed to go, or I did go.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Right. So this here is, you know, that's, this is a reunion. This right here is a reunion. So situation. Yeah, they need to, they need to get this down. Gretchen passed the answer of no to the question of if she went to the hospital after naked wasted. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Then Tamara and Shannon are confused why Gretchen told them she did go to the hospital.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. Why would you say that? But you know she passed her answer of no, supposedly.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, according to the powers that be, Gretchen hold her whole test was too.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. Which I, I, I'm confused because the camera doesn't lie either.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. We've seen you not be right not telling the truth.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

So this is like, do we continue to do these stupid lie detector tests? Because the camera and the shit that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Comes out of your mouth, like we're seeing Flashback scenes. We just watched this, right?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

So who's wrong here?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Makes no sense.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Makes no sense.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Then Katie failed her answer of no to the question if she told Kiki that Gretchen said she was drug and hostage. To me, there's no question she told Kiki.

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Yeah, she told her.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She told her.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

She told her again, stop talking.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But she wouldn't have told her if she wasn't told.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

She's not gonna make it up.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I don't think she made up.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

She didn't pull it out of thin air. I do believe Gretchen told Katie that and Katie repeated it to Kiki.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, that's. I mean, it's very logical.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, that's a very logical way to say, like, I don't think Katie's gonna pull it out of thin air that Gretchen said this and then go tell Kiki. Yeah, I mean, that's. I don't think Katie's been truthful, but that's a real stretch.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Then Katie failed her answer of no to the question if she played Shannon's recording for Alexis.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I believe that. Believe that 100%. I believe that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But why doesn't she just say yes?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Because sometimes when you're in these things, you just can't do it, you know, you just can't.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

You just can't be honest.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You just can't be honest. You can't say you fucked up. You can't do this.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But if she just came in blazing saying, you know, yeah, I did. I talked shit. I did this over and over again. Like, I feel like she'd be in less in a fight with these girls.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I think so. But I think. But Katie's also new and probably feels like if I say this, I'm really gonna be out.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You know, and out with the women and out of the show and out, period. Or mini out, you know, whatever definition of out is. And I think that that's what, for me, that's how I take it.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And without her bestie coming to her side, Jen saying, no, you know what, I was there too. And that did happen.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But also, when is Katie gonna turn on Jen and say, hey, why aren't you helping me out here?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, I hope she. Do you. Do you think she's gonna be at the reunion?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Who, Jen?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

No, Katie.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Katie. I don't know. How does this season end up?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Bravo released a clip of Jen and Katie having a one on one next week. So maybe we get more to the bottom of this.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, they need to, I mean, definitely for this storyline to progress. Like those two women need to sit down and talk about what the fuck is going on here.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Jen has a good way of melting from the truth.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

We'll see. Yeah, we'll see.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Then Katie failed her answer to the question of yes to the question. If Gretchen told her she was drugged and went to the hospital, Katie did the worst of everyone in the group.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Not surprising, by the way. No, no, not surprising at all.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Not surprising. Exactly what they planned and wanted to happen, happened.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Happened.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Two things. Other women failed questions and the group just kept moving. Did you notice that?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And Gretchen passed everything. But we've already seen her lie in the hospital, so that doesn't really invalidate the story.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, there's something like, look, a polygraph is not perfect. We see people pass. That shouldn't. It happens. I mean, make of it what you will.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

The camera does not lie here, though.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

The camera doesn't lie. That's the thing.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

The camera's replaying things and we're both.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Remembering exactly what the camera showed us.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know from an audience perspective how they feel about that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Would you rather be friends with Katie or Gretchen?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Neither.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

You have. You have to pick.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, I don't.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Why?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Because life isn't that way. Hold on.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

No, you don't. Life isn't that way. See, I don't. I think I would like Katie.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Listen, I'm sure. Look, I'm sure Katie and Gretchen are lovely people inside this group. And this experience of Real Housewives of Orange county, that does not make me want to be friends with them, because this is a different. This is not real life. Okay? And we can all agree on that. And inside of this group, that would not be my choice of friends.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

No, I mean, inside of the. I mean, if we had to pick from everyone, that would really. I mean, definitely wouldn't be them. But I think. I don't know why I have more of a problem with the Gretchen of.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

It all than the other one. I wonder what that is. Have you given that some thought? No, seriously.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I think it's because I know in my, like. Well, I don't. I guess. I don't know. I can't speak in a complete absolute, but because Gretchen told this story to Katie, I'm giving Katie an out. Like, essentially, they wouldn't have gone out to eat if Gretchen wasn't in talks to come on that show.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, they wouldn't. But she shouldn't have done it anyway. Yeah, you got to be smarter than that. Katie has to be smarter than that. You can't get dragged into these things. You realize, Katie, you got dragged into all this shit, and. But then, now you didn't play it well at all.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And then you played it terribly. Then just come out. Yeah, I said, yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Or I met with her. Or yeah, I did. And this is what was said.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

She gossiped to me, and then I gossiped to other people. One of them being Kiki Monique. Another of them being whoever this other journalist is that is still named.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

The word journalist is thrown.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I know. Then we're journalists now.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, we are not.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I'm just kidding.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And I would like to sincerely apologize to all of you. The true journalist. I am not a journalist. I am bullshitting up here on a podcast.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, we are podcasters.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Talking podcaster talking. Podcasting ain't a journalism bone in my body.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Then as they're, you know, everybody's kind of finishing up. Katie still keeps swearing that she didn't tell Kiki. She didn't. Katie tries. Okay.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Katie tries to get Jen on her side, and Jen isn't helping Katie and is shocked that Katie is still lying. Huh. Then Katie says she is telling the wholehearted truth in her confessional.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Just. Yeah, just stop.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Gina confronts Katie about trying to make her comment sound racist to Kiki. And then Emily tells Katie to leave. When Katie leaves, she says that might be the last time anyone sees her with these women.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. No, I wouldn't want to be around a group of women that I completely.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Failed to be honest with about anything.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. And it's just too many things, like, you know, once, twice. Okay, they're smaller, but there seems to be a lot here. And I. And I don't think it's a pile on of Katie. I just think that the behavior is consistently this way.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I think in order for the cast to move on, they have to trust her. They have to trust her, and they don't. Or she has to come clean.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Exactly. And if you come clean, then you've got to correct your behavior and be consistent at that. So if you're gonna come clean, you gotta say yes. Not only did I lie about this, I am coming clean, and I'm going to be consistently truthful.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And you know what? I'm pissed at you, Jen, for pretending that you didn't hear it. And you know what? I'm pissed at you. You know what?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And she has the right to do that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. And you know what, Gina? I'm pissed at you. I'm not gonna whisper about you behind your back to Jen. I'm actually gonna say to your face, that bothers me. That hurt me when you said that. Yep.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But if you're not going. If she's not going to be able to do that and she's got to stop talking to her husband. Oh, again, this is what I'm telling you. Stop doing that.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Stop doing that. But I feel like she feels like she doesn't have anyone to talk to. A friend.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, but she's. But she's iced herself out of like. Do you know what I'm saying? She's put herself in a position where nobody wants to do this.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And that's a hard place to be because.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

But if all she would have done has been a little honest, I bet they would want to do this.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Of course. Because everybody makes mistakes in this group. Yeah. In every housewives is messy behavior and you can have the best intentions, you can get twisted things that you say are out of context, whatever, you have a cocktail. But when you work this hard to isolate everybody in the group, that's. I mean, that takes something.

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So then what do you think's gonna happen the rest of the season? Like when it comes to.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, let's see. We're on episode eight. How many did they have left? Like eight more?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, probably eight more.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

So. Well, I don't know. I mean, let's say you took her out now. Not that they don't have plenty to talk about, because they do. But I, you know, I don't know.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Like, do we think that Tamara's gonna get a better. Like the edit's gonna switch for Tamara now?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I don't know that I would say edit. I think that Tamra has to switch. Tamra, you know Edit is. Yes. There are things that get fucked up in editing. We've all seen it. There are biases in edits. There just are. And anybody that's been watching these shows for a long time, you can see it. For whichever show you're watching, you can tell or the story that you know is being told this year, you can feel it. But at the end of the day, if the words come out of your mouth, you got it. You're gonna live and die by those, no matter who you are.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I know. I just wonder because, I mean, we spent this entire episode pretty much talking about Katie. Now with Katie gone, what are you talking about?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

What do you talk about? Well, everybody has to go to work.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Everybody has to start showing up and doing.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Showing up and being honest. Showing up and, you know, revealing things about.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I don't know, about what they know.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

About their fears, their home lives, how they feel in this group. What are the dynamics? I mean, you know, it's a show about women and their friendships, and right.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Now it feels like a lot of ass kissing.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

You mean amongst them versus Katie?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Like they're all trying to.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Well, they're united in their distrust of this one person in a group, so of course it's ass kissing. And then they're gonna turn on each other.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, I guess that'll be our next episode. Turning on each other.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Turning on each other.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Well, we'll see how the world turns.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yes. How's the OC Turns?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

The OC Turns.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

But I do like the show. I like the show. I think it's. It's interesting. Yeah. It's nice to see you, Teddy.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Nice to see you, too. I missed you. I miss you, too. We haven't even done, like, a full recap on us. Like, what's going on with you?

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I'm okay. I'm good. I'm having a nice day. Nice time. I'm. You know, I came home from the trip and took a day or two. We all did. It was a long one and.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Are you still talking to the guy?

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

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[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I know.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Erica.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I know.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Erica.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Listen, it's really nice. I like it.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

This is. I just. I just got flushed.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I know. I see that. That's very kind of you.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

That makes me happy.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Thank you. Me too. It feels nice.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And I feel calm and. And good and, you know.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And you have trust.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I can tell in your eyes. Yeah. I can tell when you're distrusting of a person or a situation or like. Or even talking about something. And I'm really at peace.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, I'm really calm and at peace. Feels nice.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Oh, my gosh. Well, I love that.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

What about. Well, what about you?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I'm. I've. I've been going on. I've been on probably about like eight dates with one person. Huh.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

And he's the. The. The one that we.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Not the young guy. The.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

The. The one that was.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

You haven't met him.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Okay. But have you talked to me about him?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yes, I talked to you about him.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

So it is that guy.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yes, I've been on about eight dates and he's such a nice guy.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

That.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Is such a good guy that makes me happy. And I don't. But also, I physically, like, for a while I was like, like, so physically charged. Like, I was like, oh, my God, I want to have sex. I want to do this, I want to do that. You know, Like, I was a wild woman.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I think that was probably when I was on the steroids. And now I'm not.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Okay.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So I'm just like, chill. Like, I'm like, okay, yeah, let's go to dinner. Yeah, sure. You know, like, and he's. He's funny, he's nice. He opens car doors. Like, he's handsome, He's a gentleman. He has a nice job. Like, there's no, there's no complaints. The only complaints there are about how I physically feel. Well, like, not about him, but about myself.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Sure.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So I'm kind of going through those things. I've got a lot of things kind of coming up where I'm like, am I going to be able to do this? Like, I'm getting to that point where I'm definitely better than I was, but I'm not like, a hundred percent. So, like, it was really like. My friend, one of my best friends, had a bat mitzvah last week for her son. Our bar. Our bar mitzvah. Sorry, guys. A bar mitzvah last week for her son. And it was at night. And normally, like, I'm in bed at eight o'. Clock.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So this was my latest night. I stayed out till 8:20pm okay. But, like, I had to have, you know, I have to be, like, chaperoned.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, you need. Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Like, I'm not there just to solo.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Like.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, I'm not there just solo with the kids.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, you need.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, I need help.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Help.

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

And it's hard to ask for help, especially you.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, it's hard to ask for help for anybody. But you are so independent and so, you know, so disciplined. Just like your workout, your schedule and So I know that's, that's hard.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Yeah, it's hard. It's hard for, to ask for help. And so I'm definitely in that stage where I'm like, I'm sure I'm not the best person in the world to have any sort of relationship with, but this guy's this, he's chilling. He's seems to be understanding.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Very understanding. And I'm like going through the phase of like, I'm like over hinge.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, no, yeah. It's like, I think, look, you've been through so much and to do something like that, it's fine. Like, and then what do you guys have been. What kind of eight dates have you been doing? Is it dinner dates?

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Lunch, Dinner? Like we've gone on a wall, movies or something? Yeah. Just all neither at either house. You know, just like we're just hanging out, getting to know each other.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I like that. I like that for you. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

So it's been good for you. So, you know, we, we both end on a little bit of a happy note there.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

I like that. Yeah, yeah. Nice and calm.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Nice and calm.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Calm diamonds.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Calm.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Smooth.

[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

I'm a calm cubic zirconia.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

No, you're not.

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Or what am I? Hold on. What is the stop? I'm a lab grown.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

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[Host 1 (likely the main host of Diamonds in the Rough)]

Oh, my gosh. Well, thanks to guys for tuning in.

[Host 2 (co-host or guest, possibly Erica J.)]

Yeah, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you soon.

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