Old Monkey, New Tricks (The Valley: Persian Style Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Old Monkey, New Tricks (The Valley: Persian Style Recap)

Date: January 9, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Tamra Judge is joined by guest co-host Dolores for a lively, insider recap of The Valley: Persian Style, a reunion series bringing back fan-favorite Persian reality stars. Together, they discuss the new and returning cast, family traditions, relationship dynamics, and the cultural nuances fueling the drama and heart of this reboot. The discussion is full of personal anecdotes, opinions, and plenty of housewives-style banter.

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Main Discussion Segments & Key Insights

Catching Up and Holiday Talk

• [03:18] Tamra and Dolores exchange New Year greetings and update each other on their families.
• Dolores beams about her daughter's (Sophia) blossoming romance, describing her boyfriend as “an old soul” who wrote her a heartfelt, three-page letter.
  • Quote: “Dear Ms. Judge, I see you in the way you live with steadiness, with restraint, with a kind of strength that doesn't seek recognition… Giving pieces of yourself quietly, trusting that love does not need to be witnessed to be real.” – (Dolores reading the letter, 04:15)
• They reflect on handwritten gestures and inter-family relationships, showing a softer side before diving into the recap.

Multicultural Relationships & Traditions

• [06:20] Sophia's boyfriend is from a close-knit family from Guadalajara, Mexico, drawing parallels to Tamra’s husband Eddie’s heritage.

• Contrast between Dolores’ less tradition-heavy Irish upbringing and the vibrant traditions of Sophia's boyfriend’s family.

• Food as “love language” in Middle Eastern, Mexican, and Italian cultures. Dolores reminisces about Persian food showcased on the show, craving Greek rice after watching.

  Memorable moment:

  • “Food is their love language. Yeah, Mexicans too. Yeah, right. Italians, of course… Irish…they like to drink more.” – Tamra (08:47)

Recapping The Valley: Persian Style

Cast Rundown

• [11:48] MJ & Tommy:
  • MJ is now working for Mauricio at The Agency. The show previews the breakdown of her marriage—now in divorce proceedings.
  • Dolores and Tamra discuss Tommy’s tough upbringing and his complicated relationship with MJ’s mom.
    • “He’s not a bad guy. I don't think he's a bad guy. Very rough around the edges.” – Tamra (15:48)
• Gigi (Golnesa):
  • Now a single mom to Elijah, conceived via IVF and surrogacy.
    • Discusses her financial and lifestyle struggles, notably being cut off from parental support and facing real-world consequences.
    • “You're going to see the repercussion of that now like Olnessa is the example of what happens when that child that has never had a job or…financial responsibility now has to have it.” – Tamra (12:58)
• Reza & Adam:
  • Married ten years, respected for their authenticity and longevity.
• Sky & BamShed:
  • Noted for their rawness, huge age gap, and blunt Persian communication.
    • “There is zero filter in the culture. And I'm okay with that. I love that, actually. And I like watching it.” – Tamra (17:17)

Family Dynamics & Parenting Philosophies

• [13:23] Debate about parenting, enabling vs. teaching responsibility, and how new money parents sometimes over-indulge.
• Tamra recalls extravagant kids' parties—“I threw parties that they would shut down the street and I would bring in actual life size carnival rides.” (14:22)

Cultural and Communication Styles

• [16:36] “You can't teach an old dog new tricks.” – Tamra’s take on Tommy’s inability to change, setting the episode’s title theme.
• Analysis of Persian culture’s directness and brashness; praise for the cast’s willingness to air everything on-camera.

Relationship Issues in Focus

• [23:50] Tommy refuses to attend events with MJ’s friends, especially Reza, due to deep personal grievances.
  • “You have to really know Brooklyn people, old school Brooklyn people, to know that he's not gonna let this go.” – Tamra (24:08)
  • The hosts debate whether Tommy should “let it go for the sake of his wife.”
• Sky’s Social Faux Pas:
  • Sky’s dismissiveness about holding onto Gigi’s ring for nine months sparks judgment from both hosts. Sky’s attitude toward favors, and her lack of filter, are called out.
• Sleep Divorces:
  • [28:07] Tannen and Sky both don’t sleep in the same room as husbands, joking about using “snoring” as the excuse. Tamra and Dolores debate if separate sleeping is ever healthy or just one more wedge between partners.

Money, Responsibility, and Growing Up

• [29:44] Gigi, formerly bankrolled by her parents, struggles to qualify for a home loan due to poor credit and lack of income.
  • “Three to five thousand (a month) on weed…that sounds like a really lot.” – Tamra (30:15)
  • They express sympathy but call for an overdue “lifestyle haul” for Gigi, praising her honesty about her privilege and current struggles.
• Drugs & Alcohol:
  • Dolores brings up curiosity about sobriety in the cast. Gigi is noted as candid about her use but may need to “grow up.”

Drama, Predictions, and Housewives-Style Banter

• [32:14] Sky rebukes Gigi for being “classless” and “snobby.” Gigi fires back with biting Persian Valley humor.
  • Quote: “Sky needs a zip code like a crackhead needs its pipe.” – Gigi, as recounted by Dolores (32:20)
• [33:53] Both hosts give Gigi “grace” for admitting to never having had a job, instead of pretending otherwise.

Marital Woes — MJ & Tommy

• [45:17] MJ & Tommy’s rocky marriage plays out, with focus on MJ’s concern that their son is mimicking Tommy’s coarse behavior and swearing.

• MJ’s mother Vita is unapologetically frank in her criticisms; Tamra draws parallels to her own tough parental upbringing.

  • Quote: “MJ looks at Tommy with disgust every time he opens his mouth.” – Dolores (46:04)
  • On Tommy: “He is what he is…the die is cast. He hasn't had an easy life.” – Tamra (57:45)

Emotional Moments & Reveals

• [57:52] Both hosts react to Tommy’s emotional recounting of his rough upbringing—homeless as a teen after losing his mother—which adds depth to his otherwise rough persona.
  • “It hurts me for a little boy, but as an adult, Tommy, you have to polish yourself up…especially for your child.” – Tamra (58:06)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Giving pieces of yourself quietly, trusting that love does not need to be witnessed to be real.” – Sophia’s boyfriend’s letter, read by Dolores (04:15)
• “Food is their love language…Irish—they like to drink more.” – Tamra (08:47)
• “You can't teach an old dog new tricks. A man is who he is by the time he's 18…I'll die on that hill.” – Tamra (16:22)
• “I give her a little bit of grace for that.” – Dolores on Gigi admitting her privilege and struggles (34:31)
• “Sky's gonna get her face punched in. I don’t know if she's got the memo.” – Tamra, playfully foreshadowing future drama (32:14)
• “MJ looks at Tommy with disgust every time he opens his mouth…talking about taking a dump at dinner!” – Dolores (46:04)
• “He hasn't had an easy life…he is what he is.” – Tamra on Tommy (57:45)
• “Maybe they're just not for each other anymore…At one time, she loved him.” – Tamra (46:39)

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Key Timestamps

• Opening Personal Catch-Up: 03:18–07:26
• Multicultural Upbringings & Family Traditions: 06:20–09:57
• ‘The Valley: Persian Style’ Cast Introductions & Relationships: 11:48–17:17
• Parenting, Finances & Personal Growth: 13:23–14:57, 29:44–31:57
• Marriage Tensions: Tommy & MJ, Sky & BamShed, Greg & Tannen: 23:50–57:45
• Favorite Persian-Style Drama & Predictions: 32:04–34:51
• Emotional Reactions & Reflections: 57:52–58:56

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Tone, Vibe & Listener Value

Teddi and Tamra (here, Tamra and Dolores) keep their tone candid, witty, and full of the type of warmth and directness fans expect from veteran housewives. The episode is peppered with relatable stories about parenting, relationships, and the struggles of letting go and growing up. Dolores brings in frank observations about family and culture, while Tamra’s sharp, humorous commentary grounds the playful but insightful recap.

Listeners who haven’t watched “The Valley: Persian Style” will feel caught up and entertained, getting rich context on cast members, ongoing conflicts, and cultural touchstones—all with the signature Housewives flair.

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Final Thoughts

Both hosts predict more drama and emotional revelations to come this season, especially as the cast faces their own awakenings about responsibility, relationships, and cultural expectations. The episode closes with Tamra and Dolores expressing nostalgia and excitement for the return of Reza, MJ, Golnesa and Adam, and anticipation for more raw, unfiltered television ahead.

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“I think we're going to see some real life lessons in this show. I really do.” – Tamra Judge (58:45)

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Transcript

[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

Two teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Hey, guys. Happy New Year. Welcome to Two T's with me and Tamara.

[Dolores]

Hi, Dolores. Hi, Tam.

[Tamara Judge]

How was your new year? Is all good?

[Dolores]

All good? Everything's good. I'm, I'm happy. I'm had a good week off. I am charged up. I am ready to go. You don't want a little under the weather? So I just had a really good week off. Really good.

[Tamara Judge]

You look rested. You look.

[Dolores]

Can I just tell you something? I can't even tell you how much I love Sophia's boyfriend.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I love them together. She's so cute. I'm a stalker.

[Dolores]

Do you know what he did for me?

[Tamara Judge]

What?

[Dolores]

He got me a gift, right? And then he wrote me a three page letter.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. He's an old soul, isn't he?

[Dolores]

He's an old soul. He's a writer. And he just, I mean, I, I started crying.

[Tamara Judge]

Can you tell me what it said?

[Dolores]

Just let me just read one line just to show you what a writer is.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we don't want.

[Dolores]

And I was crying, so I'm trying not to cry. Dear Ms. Judge, I see you in the way. I see you in the way you live with steadiness, with restraint, with a kind of strength that doesn't seek recognition. I was like bawling in the way you carry responsibility without making it heavy to those around you in the way. Oh, my God, I'm trying not to cry in the way. Giving pieces of yourself quietly, trusting that love does not need to be witnessed to be real. I mean, it's just on and on and on and on. Being a mother is only one part of who you are, but it's a part that reveals the depths of your character. And he goes on.

[Tamara Judge]

I wonder why she's in love. Oh, then now we're in love.

[Dolores]

I know. I mean, I, I, he's gonna, I. And it went on about what an amaz I did raising Sophia.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my.

[Dolores]

What a good, you know, person she is and how caring she is. And I was just like, could you imagine? Well, my own kids don't write like that.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dolores]

Sophia does. Sophia. Not to the lengths of that, but she, she does. She handwrites me things. All the time. I mean, not all the time, but I'm talking holidays, birthdays, Valentine's days, things like that. She will always write me something or make me something. But they are just so cute together and so in love. Like, I'm like, scared. Like, oh, they've been together seven months now. Yesterday.

[Tamara Judge]

I love that for them.

[Dolores]

And I'm like, she's all, I'm gonna marry him.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that what she says?

[Dolores]

This is her first real boyfriend.

[Tamara Judge]

I love this. And I. I couldn't have picked, like, they're like bookends. Like, they go together, they look like.

[Dolores]

I go, is it weird that you guys look like brother and sister?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that there's just a thing that's. That's their person. I. I feel like I'd be so. I'd be disappointed and very surprised and like. And that's hard to do on. On my end. Yeah.

[Dolores]

In the.

[Tamara Judge]

If something God forbid happened.

[Dolores]

They come from two very different cultures.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, what's his background?

[Dolores]

Well, he's. He's Mexican. His. His family's from Guadalajara. And it's weird because that's where Eddie's family.

[Tamara Judge]

Eddie's from.

[Dolores]

That's where it's from. And they're very, very. A close knit family. Very close knit. Like, you know, the family's always together. They. They just do a lot of things together. And I think with us, it's. It's not. We don't have a ton of traditions. Like, he's like, it's New Year's. Do you guys have grapes? And I'm like, oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

What?

[Dolores]

No. Do you. Do you have any tradition? No.

[Tamara Judge]

Bring them back.

[Dolores]

I know, I know. So she's learning a lot from his family, and then he's learning a lot from his family.

[Tamara Judge]

Likes her too, I'm sure.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Ye. I have not met his mom or dad seven months.

[Tamara Judge]

It's still new.

[Dolores]

I met his sister. We took her to Jingle Ball. So she was there. She was really sweet. She connected with Ava, my granddaughter.

[Tamara Judge]

I saw they were playing and so

[Dolores]

now they do roadblocks together and they text each other and all that kind of stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

This is really good. It's all good. I love to hear it. Amazing.

[Dolores]

So happy to get to know him a little bit better at Big Bear, you know who there for. They were there for five days and just to see them interact and him and, you know, you really get to know somebody when you travel with them, even as couples. Like, have you ever traveled with a couple and go, oh, never again?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Yeah. It's like that's what we always say. Like, we have a couple, Pam and Bud. I've known her for 20 something years. We can travel anywhere and have so much fun. And then there's other couples.

[Tamara Judge]

Did I meet her? I met her. No, did you.

[Dolores]

Did you meet.

[Tamara Judge]

When we went out to dinner with.

[Dolores]

Oh, that's Shelly.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Shelly. Who you were.

[Narrator/Podcast Host]

And she's.

[Tamara Judge]

For your birthday. She's another one. I love her.

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Yep.

[Dolores]

She's another one that I can amaze.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's friends with Pam, so that's

[Dolores]

how I met her.

[Tamara Judge]

She's so cute.

[Dolores]

This show, the Valley, Persian Style, it's really about tradition and family and. And I'll tell you what, after I watch them make that rice, guess where I went.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you.

[Dolores]

I went to the Greek restaurant and I got some of that rice. It looks so good. There's only a few places we eat around here. Dolores, that is Thai food when we go out. Thai food.

[Tamara Judge]

The stand will never.

[Dolores]

And Greek food.

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That's really.

[Tamara Judge]

I love Greek food. Paul will never.

[Dolores]

He won't really. It's so good.

[Tamara Judge]

So a lot in the Middle Eastern culture and most cultures is food is their love language. Yeah, Mexicans too. Yeah, right. Italians, of course.

[Dolores]

Yeah, of course. Italians.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't see that so much in the Irish culture. They like to drink more.

[Dolores]

Well, drinking is their love life. Well, I'm Irish. I did not grow up with very. I mean, obviously I'm not from Ireland, but I. My ancestors were. I did not grow up with a lot of traditions. And of course, we tend to eat healthy. And Sophia eats healthier than me or Eddie. She only eats protein, vegetables, and sometimes a complex carb, but doesn't have sugar. She's very, very, very strict.

[Tamara Judge]

She eats to live, she doesn't live to eat. And that is not my way of life. My kids are more like that, though.

[Dolores]

I mean, I want her to relax a little bit. I'm like, have a piece of cake once in a while. But it's just not. She don't like it. She's very strict on her food.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, good for her. She's better off for. And especially since you guys have a history of stomach issues. So maybe she's just better off all the way around for it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Good for her. But definitely in this culture, they seem to enjoy their food very much.

[Dolores]

And I really.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I have to say I am so excited to see them back as adults. It's really different from the Valley. Valley, yeah. Other Valley. It's totally different.

[Dolores]

I wonder if they're going to franchise this and have like the Valley. Like, is this, is this going to be it or are they going to have like the Valley? I don't know if there's Italians there or whatever. Like they're going to have different.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, oh, good. Like almost like Housewives has different franchises. This may be a different. Well, so far we're off to a good start because they really are very emotional and they're very passionate and that's something that has not changed since they started.

[Dolores]

How long have they been off air? Long time Shaws. A decade, right?

[Tamara Judge]

I'd say it's been a decade. Yeah. Now I'm gonna tell you, that's the first show I ever watched. First reality show since 2021. They've been off, I felt like longer because we missed them so much. So Reza was always a star to me, Always. Mom loved him. When I first met him over 10 years ago when I first started, I did an event with him and I said to him, my mom would love a signed autograph picture from you. And he sent it to her.

[Dolores]

Aw.

[Tamara Judge]

So he's just amazing and real and, you know, I just love them. So they're going to bring it and I have a lot of faith and, you know, we can't do it without Mercedes. Mom.

[Dolores]

Mercedes, oh my God. She is an icon. Just like that shirt that Mercedes was wearing that said icon and had a picture of her mom on it. Did you catch that?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I didn't see that. But.

[Dolores]

Well, it starts out with a cast introduction. So they start with MJ and Tommy. MJ now is working for the agency with Mauricio. Mauricio, I see that. Been married seven years. We see the demise of her relationship, her marriage in the first couple episodes. Now, you know, obviously this was filmed probably eight months ago. Now she is going through a divorce. And then Gigi, a mom of a five year old, she.

[Tamara Judge]

Elijah.

[Dolores]

Elijah.

[Tamara Judge]

She went through a lot to get pregnant. Now she had this baby by herself. Right. She didn't have it with a man. She's been married twice now. She's gone through two divorces and she's happy to be single right now. But what she's not happy about, she's currently looking for a home. And now, you know, Reza and Adam are involved. They're realtors.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And they've been married for 10 years. But gold Nessa, which we'll get to, is has to have a huge lifestyle. Wake up, change.

[Dolores]

What do you think about. Because she's got to be well into her 30s what do you think about parents just bankrolling a child's life and them the child not even working?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I wouldn't know that, but that you're going to see the repercussion of that now like Olnessa is the, is the example of what happens when that child that has never had a job or responsive or a monetary responsibility or a financial responsibility now has to have it. It's not her fault that she's having a hard time with it.

[Dolores]

Well, yeah, I mean you're not doing your child any justice by, you know, and I have a rule like I'm more than happy to help out. Like I work so I can help my family and you know, whenever somebody's in need and I work because I like my lifestyle that I have. However, if I have a child that is doing nothing for themself and then I'm just giving them money, I would not do that. I would not feel good about that. I feel like I was enabling that child.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, here's the thing as parents, I know I did it when I came into. I was married to an attorney and you know, all of a sudden I had things that I never had as a kid. Like I had nothing and I had love. I threw parties that they would shut down the street and I would bring in actual life size carnival rides. My kids.

[Dolores]

You're talking about when you're married to Frank.

[Tamara Judge]

When I was married to Frank and my kids were little, I even brought it up in the divorce. Well, this is my lifestyle. The judge laughed at me and you know, I gave them the party I didn't have. And I feel like, you know, a lot of times parents want to give to their children, especially when new money, they want to give what they didn't have. Make it easy. And it's not always the best idea. There still has to come with responsibility with that and a concept of money. And it's hard to do because you want to give it because you worked so hard and you're proud of yourself for it.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Like I get that. And. But then, you know, I love seeing the old cast, Reza and Adam together is, is great. And I love one thing about the Persians, they respect their elders. That's always been a big thing. Now you got to understand, I've been watching, I watched the show back when. And getting back to Tommy and Mercedes. Mercedes, mom never liked him.

[Dolores]

Oh really?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not gonna badmouth the guy. He's a, he's a knock around guy. Sounds like he's from Brooklyn or something.

[Dolores]

He is.

[Tamara Judge]

He says that he's from Brooklyn.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But he also, like. So I was judging him a little bit, and then I saw the very end of episode two where he said that he was from Brooklyn. His mom died when he was a teenager. He didn't have a dad and he was sleeping a park bench.

[Tamara Judge]

This is the product of what you married, Mercedes. He's not a bad guy. I don't think he's a bad guy. Very rough around the edges.

[Dolores]

I mean, if he talked about shit one more time, I was. I would have slapped him.

[Tamara Judge]

Who raised him, though? He raised himself.

[Dolores]

He raised himself right.

[Tamara Judge]

Considering the things that he could have been. I respect him for who he is.

[Dolores]

But he loves Mercedes. He loves his.

[Tamara Judge]

He loves his.

[Dolores]

He doesn't step out. He's not. But I think. I think part of the problem, what I've heard is like, he's not that motivated.

[Tamara Judge]

That again, that's hard. That's where I fall off with him. That's where I fall off. But you can't teach. We'll get to that. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. A man is who he is by the time he's 18. I don't care what you say. Argue with me on it. I will die on that hill.

[Dolores]

Yeah, no, I agree with you.

[Tamara Judge]

But you know the new ones, sky and Bam Shed. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Now they're the ones that. He's 19 years older than her, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores]

And they have two. They have twins.

[Tamara Judge]

They have twins, a girl and a boy. Sky and Bam Shed. She's. That's. This is. I feel like this is Persians, you know, they talk to each other. They're very. They're very forthcoming. They're very, like, brash. I want. I don't want to say the wrong word. What's your. They're just. They don't beat around the bush. They are a culture that says exactly. There's no filter. There's no sugar coating.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

They speak to each other. Exactly. The way the whole. The whole culture, the way they are. There is zero filter in the culture. And I'm okay with that. I love that, actually. And I like watching it. Because in a world where now we have to tiptoe, like, Paul would never tolerate me speaking to him like that in front of people. And if I ever said anything, anything about, like, oh, we didn't sleep together, he would not. He'd be like, you don't tell our business like that. They're very open about their business. And this is the making of a good show. Yes, I love it. That's what's a good show is not talking shit about their family or what's going on behind closed doors. And Nacho. They are so I'm here for it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, they're just, they're really raw and they don't.

[Tamara Judge]

They're so raw and I get scared like I get nervous like, oh, they're gonna kill each other in two minutes. And then they just go home and they're.

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Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Tamara Judge]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

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I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

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This is wild.

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

How would you be able to handle Tommy like MJ did, where the fact that Tommy will not attend an event whatsoever. He does not like Reza. He basically said, like, these people didn't were not there when our son was born.

[Tamara Judge]

I know she had a really hard time. So here you go. So. So I think Tommy is. Listen, you have to really know Brooklyn people, old school Brooklyn people, to know that he's not gonna let this go. But he's also, at this point, it's not old school Brooklyn anymore, Tommy. And I think that you could let it go for the sake of the peace of your wife. She wants you there. Personally, the way I would handle it, I'd be like, all right, good, don't come. You don't have to like these people. They're my friends. I like them. But at some point, it does cause a wedge in your life with those relationships. So for the sake of his wife and for peace in his family, and if you love your wife, you'll get over it. But he is very emotional and traumatized by almost losing his wife while she had the baby. There was a picture of her. She looked like.

[Dolores]

I didn't know. I wasn't aware of that.

[Tamara Judge]

I knew she had a hard time. I did not know the state that she was in. And here is a guy who comes from nothing. He has no family. He was watching his whole life go, you know, almost.

[Dolores]

There's a lot of personal story on this show so far in the first couple episodes where one guy did lose his wife, another one watched his girlfriend at the time. Now wife get a car accident.

[Tamara Judge]

Tommy can't get over things that happened in the past, and they're unforgivable to him, but he's not stopped. Here's where he's not wrong. Here's where I can accept this.

[Dolores]

He's not stopping her from going, yeah, I understand that. Like, I mean, the stuff that Reza had said to MJ years ago about, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

About abortions and why she had struggles and all that stuff, it's. It's pretty dark. Obviously he said it in a time where he was really pissed off.

[Tamara Judge]

But not everybody comes from a culture where you talk to each other like that and then it's okay. Especially Tommy does it. Eddie's.

[Dolores]

Eddie's a little bit like Tommy. Not. Not to the extreme. But if you cross him, he. You're. We're done. We're done. It takes a lot for him to be like, okay, well, it's like, why. Why do I want to be around people? But then again, this is a different. This is a TV show. You're filming a TV show in real life. Would you.

[Tamara Judge]

Probably not.

[Dolores]

Probably not. You wouldn't hang out with them. But why would sky keep Gigi's ring for nine months? And why would you allow that?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. Because she didn't want to do it. She put it aside. It wasn't important. And she's, like, annoyed that the way the job that she did. So she gets her. Her ring back and she's like, this looks like shit. I didn't want it. And. And basically sky was like, this was a waste of my time. I do much bigger things than that. But see, Sky, I don't, like, I don't know you yet. So I'm going to give you not the benefit of the. I'm going to. I'm going to let this go. She's like, that was beneath me to do, so I didn't feel like doing it. And I do much bigger things than that. So that's like somebody coming to me, a very good friend. I don't know how close they are. I don't know if they're friends or. That's like somebody coming to me and saying, can you do me a favor? And I'm like, no, I don't do. I don't post for things like that. That's like, beneath me. If a friend asked me for a favor, I do it, you know? So that's. That's not for everybody. Yeah, I can't falter for it, but that was like, sky. We're jury's out with sky right now.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Well, when is it? Tannen? Is that how you pronounce her name? Yeah, Tannen. She's gorgeous. Tannin and sky go to the jewelry store to meet before heading to lunch. Tannen and sky are best friends, and they do everything other Tannen and Sky admit. They each have their own rooms and don't sleep with their husbands. Now, would you ever do a sleep divorce?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, during menopause that almost happened and, and we really stuck through it. But I don't think it's great. I, I don't, I don't think it's

[Dolores]

good for a relationship.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, I know a lot of people who don't sleep together and I get it if somebody snores or if somebody needs a different temperature. And I mean, you can't try not to do that, right? I mean, but they also joked saying like, yeah, I say that's why, but I just don't want to sleep in the same room with them. You, you guys laughing at that? Your husband's gonna see that. And you know, you're new on the show. You don't know the repercussions of what you're saying. You're gonna find out around and find out you wanna giggle about not sleeping with your husband and, and saying oh yeah, that's the excuse because he snores. And then it's funny because later on he's like, well, you're the snorer too.

[Dolores]

I know that was funny.

[Tamara Judge]

But yeah, no one holds back here, just another. And then there's Natasha and Amir. They seem pretty good together. He lost his first wife, which was very like heart wrenching thinking about it. But you know, we'll talk about that in a little while. They have three kids under five, which isn't easy. But a lot of them seem to be talking about like their sex life as young people. They should be getting it on. Young people are different today.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but I mean they have three kids under five so it's not easy, it's tired. Yeah, I couldn't even imagine. So the guys all meet at Greg's house for a boys night out while the girls are at dinner.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, this isn't an easy conversation for, for Reza, Adam and Gonelsa because they're trying to help her get a house and now they have to explain to her, you're, you can't. Your credit score sucks, which is a lot of people make the mistake of

[Dolores]

screwing with their credit and you have no income.

[Tamara Judge]

She has no income. And now her parents, because they're getting older, can't they have to save their money for their life so they can't do for her what they used to

[Dolores]

do and you got to cut back on your marijuana.

[Tamara Judge]

Three to five thousand a month. I don't smoke weed, so I don't know. But that sounds like a really lot.

[Dolores]

That sounds, that seems like a lot. What do you think her allowance is from her parents because obviously she's paying Three to five thousand dollars a month from the money she gets from her parents. And her dad, obviously was paying her rent, and now he's like, no more.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that she needs to do a lifestyle haul on a lot of things. You know, I don't. I like her very much.

[Dolores]

Mm.

[Tamara Judge]

But I think it's a time of awakening for her. Your son Elijah's five years old. You can't be smoking that much weed all the time.

[Dolores]

He.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, what does weed do for you? I've never smoked it.

[Dolores]

She. She drinks too, right? I don't know, because for some reason, I thought she was sober, but then I thought I saw her drinking. So I don't know. A lot of people that stop drinking will then go on to do other things like smoke weed or drink it or. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

But I think Olesa. They're saying she's time for her to grow up. I don't. I don't want to say grow up. I think it's. His lifestyle changes is imminent here.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But she doesn't like to be bored because that girl's night when they were talking, she seemed to step up the conversation. So that's. That was like. She's like, I'm so bored. They were talking about girl going on a girls trip, and they were talking about different things, and she was like, yeah, so let's talk about sucking cock, because that's what makes me have fun. Like, well, that kind of conversation.

[Dolores]

Wasn't sky the one that was like, was it Sky? I can't remember. I'm. Guys, I'm still trying to get to know their names.

[Tamara Judge]

Was she the one was saying she was putting down the Valley?

[Dolores]

But was she also saying, like, you're kind of. Gigi's a little classless?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Sky's gonna get her face punched in. I don't know if she's got the memo. Well, you know what?

[Dolores]

She's unfiltered, and I hope she stays that way. It doesn't start censoring herself when viewers start chiming in, because you know that that's what happens. Now. Gigi says, this guy's snobby Gigi is drinking everyone's drink. So, yes, she is. She's trying to get drunk. Sky thinks she's not classy. And then when Gigi says Sky needs a zip code like a crackhead needs its pipe, basically saying she needs to live in Beverly Hills. She doesn't live in the Valley.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, she does, though, right? She does live in the Valley.

[Dolores]

I think she lives in Beverly Hills still.

[Tamara Judge]

No, she said they said they moved from Bel Air. They moved from Bel Air during the. During the pandemic.

[Dolores]

Well, not. Anyway, one of them has an over the top fancy house. No, no, no, no, they don't.

[Tamara Judge]

But listen, we'll see. I don't think sky is going to give a shit, to be honest with you. She's pretty brazen. I don't think she's going to care about the social media backlash on any of this at all.

[Dolores]

Well, you don't know until you know, that's for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

I could tell you what she's going to care about when Gigi goes off on her, because I can see that I'm. I'm going to make a prediction.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Oh, well, duh.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's gonna get it good. She's not used. Listen, Skye's used to talking to her easygoing husband. A lot of women that talk to their husband like shit think they could talk to other people like that. So you're talking to the wrong girls.

[Dolores]

I'll tell you one thing I do admire about Gigi, okay? So, yes, her parents paid for a lifestyle. Her first paycheck ever was on Shaws, which was quite a while ago. But she's admitting to the public that I don't have any money, I don't have a job I like. She's open about it. It's not like she's trying to pretend like she's some rich girl. She comes from a rich family and she's got all this and she doesn't need to work. No. She's like, no, I've never had a job. Credit's fucked up. I rent. I don't own a house.

[Tamara Judge]

So you got to give her some grace for that.

[Dolores]

That's what I'm saying. I give her a little bit of grace for that.

[Tamara Judge]

She's acknowledging. And, you know, when people do that, you evolve.

[Dolores]

And Reza was a good friend when he talked to her about her finances. It's like, it's time for you to grow up. You need to scale back on your spending, you know? And Gigi, of course, frustrated, storms off.

[Tamara Judge]

It's a hard pill to take. Yeah, it is. Really. Like, put that in your pipe and smoke it, because it's not. It's not a good feeling. It is not a good feeling. So I think that she'll be okay.

[Dolores]

Yeah, Just.

[Tamara Judge]

I like her. I'm sorry. I like to the.

[Dolores]

The Persian party. So Tommy telling MJ not to drink when he drops her off. I just had to laugh when she's.

[Tamara Judge]

She's like, I'll do it more.

[Dolores]

Yeah, that just makes me want to do it more.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she was upset that he's not being involved, but she should be. Listen, you can't calm that guy down. Once he goes off and he's still mad about it, he's still emotional. He started crying talking about her in the hospital. That he goes, friends of 30 years, look where you were. Where were they? So that guy loves her, he's mad for her. He's a lot of things. Tommy's a lot of things. But he loves his wife like you said. He loves his kid and he even loves his mother in law who busted his balls from the minute he got on the scene. So do yourself a favor, mj, and keep him away from your friends because he's going to wind up killing somebody.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I would like for him to stay away.

[Dolores]

We get to meet Reza Jackson. Now he claims he's a retired party guy.

[Tamara Judge]

He looked like Conor McGregor to me. Like a little bit glasses on. Am I wrong?

[Dolores]

A darker version of him maybe.

[Tamara Judge]

There was something about him that reminded me of Connor. So anyway, go ahead. So what?

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah. So he's there, he's gonna meet the girl. He's gonna meet the Sophie or Sophia or whatever her name was. Yep. And so they're all discussing Gigi's house hunt when she arrives at the door the second she walks.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh my God, mj.

[Dolores]

But that's how they shut it up, man.

[Tamara Judge]

She's not a cast member, that girl. Like it's a one night thing. So.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So Glnessa gets there. They're all talking about her before she walks in the party as housewives do. And then Mercedes is like, goes and starts to tell her. We were just, just to let you know, like, she goes, could you at least kiss me before you me?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She was right.

[Dolores]

She's right.

[Narrator/Podcast Host]

Totally right.

[Tamara Judge]

It was just the way it was presented. I think she could have eased into it a little bit. A little lube would have been nice.

[Dolores]

Just a little bit. Just a little.

[Tamara Judge]

A little. But it kind of goes downhill from there. And then as the party goes on, we get to see sky and how brazen she is. Because when they're sitting at the party at the table, it kind of like shifts from the mood of we thought it was going to be all about goldness to getting shit on during the party. But then it like shifts, which I loved. Right? Doesn't it? Like the mood shifts to like on this is ready to, like, pop off and leave. But they get to the table, and then Reza doesn't take two minutes to say that. That sky was saying that you and your. Your bombshell don't sleep together. And then I thought she was gonna deny it, be like, oh, stop. Or Reza, why would you. She's like, yeah, we all. You suck. You're coming back. Like, you're like, it's a big announcement. And I was like, oh, my God.

[Dolores]

I don't think her husband was too happy about that.

[Tamara Judge]

She didn't care.

[Dolores]

I mean, sky and Bombshed make MJ and Tommy look like a happy couple at this point.

[Mind Games Narrator]

What if mind control is real?

[Tamara Judge]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Tamara Judge]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Special Agent Riegel]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Mind Games Narrator / Podcast Host]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Nlp, AKA Neuro linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Special Agent Riegel]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work.

[Tamara Judge]

This is wild.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you you get your podcasts.

[Mind Games Narrator / Podcast Host]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

[Dolores]

A nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Tamara Judge]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Mind Games Narrator / Podcast Host]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Mind Games Narrator / Podcast Host]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Tamara Judge]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Mind Games Narrator / Podcast Host]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

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[Special Agent Riegel]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn.

[Tamara Judge]

No one had ever seen anything like that.

[Dolores]

It was unbelievable.

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores]

So the next episode. This is episode two of the valley, Persian style. Natasha and Gigi take their kids to the slime store, someplace I'm so glad I'm never gonna have to go to, thank God, hopefully.

[Tamara Judge]

And then they thank God they weren't talking about kids stuff. They start talking about like the lack of sex life and the.

[Dolores]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

The whole bed and it's fine. And because like, in Gigi's mind, she doesn't really have a relationship. She's like, you guys have three under five, you guys must bang like rabbits. And she's like, not really.

[Dolores]

So three kids.

[Tamara Judge]

But at least honest again. At least. At least Natasha was honest. And then we have the other marriage talking about Mercedes and Tommy and you know, Mercedes is. They're having a nice conversation. Like she talks to him like a friend still. I know they have like deep rooted issues and it looks like Mercedes is kind of like growing out of this marriage. But she does confide in him about Gonessa's relationship with her sister. So Glassa has that going on. Gigi like not getting her. She can't like lean on her sister at this point. But what's the sister Layla's lifestyle? I don't, I don't know.

[Dolores]

I don't even remember her.

[Tamara Judge]

Does she have a different lifestyle than Gigi? Does she work? Work? Does she support herself? Does she also get an allowance? Like, what's that going on? But I mean, I want to look into that. I kind of want to know just. Just because I want to know. And then Sky's hanging out with Bam Shed and they're just talking. Like he like, does tell her. He's like, I'm upset about you bringing up our, our business the other night. And she's like, yeah, our personal life.

[Dolores]

I. I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

How long before they announced their divorcing?

[Tamara Judge]

End of season.

[Dolores]

I get a bad vibe from that. Then mj, Tommy go on a date for their anniversary. MJ says that Tommy teases her too much and she's scared because her son is being. He's mimicking Tommy's behavior. Like this kid's swearing like a sailor and he's like 5 years old. I mean, I don't care.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not the worst thing, but. But he is going to mimic his dad and, and I think the things that he's no different than he ever was Tommy. But now she's looking at her son and she's like, but even if you get divorced, you have less control if you get divorced over because you say you don't want your son to mimic his dad. Now you have less control over that if you're separated and then your son goes and sees him. Right without you.

[Dolores]

Oh, for sure. That would be even more scary. Well, MJ looks at Tommy with disgust every time he opens his mouth.

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It's just.

[Dolores]

He's obnoxious. I mean, talking about taking a dump at dinner, like, what are you doing, dude? Like, this is going to be a huge learning lesson for him to see himself, I hope. You know, I bet MJ loved doing Traders. She was away from him for 30 days. Well, it was like a vacation. She got to sleep by herself without Tommy she didn't have to hear about.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe they're just not for each other anymore. At one time, she loved him. She married him. Her mother told her not to. Her mother fought with him.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She had to find out on her own.

[Dolores]

And that's okay. We make it to three times to get married to figure it out.

[Tamara Judge]

I hope for Tommy and Mercedes. Now, there was a thing she had. She was. He went after her a few months ago on social media. You didn't know that? Do you remember seeing that?

[Dolores]

I did see that. I know that she was on Jeff Lewis and they had discussed something, something

[Tamara Judge]

about him as a father. And then also, don't even.

[Dolores]

Oh, they shouldn't be doing that. And then it went to Tommy said something publicly. But I don't. I didn't. I don't care.

[Tamara Judge]

It's something to do with. They knocked him as a dad and he. He went. He did not sit back and take that lightly. I don't remember what it was. Maybe she was wrong. Maybe she was right. Whatever it was, you know, it is what it is that I hope. Whatever it is, at the end of the day, they are close and they become friends and they parent together. Yeah. And. And that.

[Dolores]

It makes life a lot easier. Now the new. The new Reza goes on a date with the non cast member, Sophia. And she calls him out.

[Tamara Judge]

Comes right out. Is she Persian too?

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, there you go. I'm assuming right out and ask, boy, are you done? Are you done playing? And he was like. Whatever it was, he. He didn't like her, so that didn't work.

[Dolores]

Well, he reminds me of the Persian. Jack, Jax, Taylor.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, Okay, I can see that.

[Dolores]

Not the other stuff that went on with Jax, but just the attitude. Like, I don't know, very sure of himself. I don't know. He's only been on, you know, a little bit. Let's. I shouldn't make any judgment just yet.

[Tamara Judge]

Just.

[Dolores]

But just from the first couple and him showing all the pictures of him

[Tamara Judge]

partying and, listen, dude, I don't know how old you are, but you're not getting any younger. And you wind up alone and in a bad place if you don't start. You're getting to the age now. I'd say he's in his 30s. I want to say he's not in his 20s.

[Dolores]

I don't know. I can't remember. But Sophia thinking his name was Neza and not Reza.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we'll call him Nezah instead of Reza. That's how we differentiate him. So, you know, Neza, I want to say, like, you might want to reel it in if you meet a nice girl. You might want to think about not being a f boy anymore, if that's who you are. But it's. But I feel like I saw a little bit of interest in him thinking maybe I should start settling down. Because RJ Asked the boys. Reza J. Neza. Jay asked the boys how they keep the sparkle alive in their partners. And Greg says that some claim relationships can reach a point where intimacy feels like a sister.

[Dolores]

And I wanted to throw up at that moment because that was a very bad analogy or reference. Whatever you want to call it, like, don't. Don't talk about you're in a relationship with your sister. That's just gross.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? But then she could have said, like, friend.

[Dolores]

It's like being with one of your best friends.

[Tamara Judge]

But, but. But people do refer to their relationship like that. And that there does. Nobody's gonna read.

[Dolores]

No, nobody should ever refer to your

[Tamara Judge]

relationship being intimate with your brother. I don't agree with it, but I've heard people say it's like living with my sister. It's like. But they mean it by

[Nancy Glass]

better.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, that's a better analogy. Much, much better analogy. And then he goes on to say about Tannin's tragic car accident, that. That's when they realized he started to take life seriously, you know?

[Dolores]

Do you think that was a trauma, bond, marriage?

[Tamara Judge]

I do.

[Dolores]

Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Because they don't.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't see the picture of her, though. That was. Some. They had just met. He was, like, bouncing around town, and they were just going to Dubai. He. The person was driving crazy. I wonder. I hope everybody lived, survived that car crash.

[Dolores]

That's why I never went. If there's a layover, which happens sometimes, I never want to leave the airport. What if something happens? You can't get back in. This is a perfect example.

[Tamara Judge]

I probably wouldn't make it back. I know myself better enough, so I just. Oh, I know you wouldn't make it back. They had like a nine hour layover and they were.

[Dolores]

How many flights have you met? Missed. Missed in your life?

[Tamara Judge]

One.

[Dolores]

Oh, that's it. I'm shocked.

[Tamara Judge]

No, two. Oh, three.

[Dolores]

Was it four?

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, it was two. And in the past year, I didn't really miss the flight. I was checking in too late to check my bags, so I didn't miss the flight. The lady could have let me in. Yeah, she just took the next flight.

[Dolores]

Prude.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, right? But, you know, I think that's a trauma bond, maybe.

[Dolores]

Yeah, we'll see. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Him saying that it's okay for him to travel, his, his wife to travel with her friend because he can't afford to go.

[Dolores]

I just. She's so beautiful and, and so sweet and he is, Is he the one?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know if I would call her sweet.

[Dolores]

I, I think she is. I think their relationship's not good. He's Armenian, right? He's the one that's Armenian.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And she's Persian. I dated Armenian for five years and I did, I did. And I will tell you, girls are kind of secondary. Guys go out, they do their thing and the girl is expected to just be home. That's how I was treated. Like. No, very jealous. Very, very jealous. And was he the one that was saying he came, he came home and he got a text at 2 in the morning?

[Special Agent Riegel]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But, you know, in the next scene, sky and Tannen are hanging out and she's, you know, Tannen's talking about her skincare company and then I love that Tannen. I mean, sky puts it on her dog, but she in that scene, I don't know if you noticed in that scene she talks about that she probably wouldn't have taken her relationship seriously with Greg if that accident didn't happen. So maybe you're right. You know, I, I mean, I, I think you might be right about that. Now, can a relationship like that last? Is that like, is there longevity in a relationship like that or. They've been together how long they. Quite a bit of time.

[Dolores]

Well, it looks like they're kind of growing apart and I don't know. You know, we'll see. But a lot of these relationships seem like they're.

[Tamara Judge]

It looks like they need a relationships counselor. We're going to call my aunt Arden Greenspan. She, She's a, she lives in San Diego. I should get her on the show. She's so wonderful with relationships and Everything

[Dolores]

else but seeing the conversation with MJ and her mom talking about Tommy. MJ has concerns about their marriage. She doesn't appreciate the way he talks to her and even says he still doesn't feel safe with him.

[Tamara Judge]

What does she mean, not feel safe with him? I mean, a guy would be like that.

[Dolores]

I don't know if it was like, feel safe, like they don't have a future. Like, maybe that. I mean, he doesn't strike me as being like, like, motivated, anything like that. But my God, her mom is not easy on her.

[Tamara Judge]

No, she's never been. Oh, my.

[Dolores]

Go back a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

Tamara, did you ever watch Shaza Sunset?

[Dolores]

I did, but I fell off like, after a few.

[Tamara Judge]

Go watch. Her mom does not pull punches. But again, that's the culture look at, you know, And I. But I like that. I don't know if it would have been easy to grow up like that because my mom's so soft spoken and sweet.

[Dolores]

I don't think I'd like that. Because then you'd feel like you're always trying to, you know, get approval from people or get an approval from your mom.

[Tamara Judge]

My dad wasn't easy. He was hard on me. But, I mean, I think it molds you. I think it makes you tougher for this world. It makes you ready to not be coddled because the world does not coddle you. When you get to work and things don't always go your way in, in our business, how would you be able to handle, you know, your mom? I love when your mom says you look like you fell off your motorcycle with your face.

[Dolores]

Like.

[Tamara Judge]

I like that. But if you didn't have a mom that was a little bit hard on you at times, would you be able to handle your job right now?

[Dolores]

No. No, I didn't grow up loving, but like, in a very loving, like, it wasn't a lovey, lovey relationship.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it was a childhood.

[Dolores]

But MJ's mom is. Can be kind of harsh, but in.

[Tamara Judge]

In her own way that me. That's her showing her love. If, you know, you could. You could not show love by being sweet but not really giving a shit.

[Dolores]

Yeah, no, I know, I know there's a way.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, kids see through that. Don't use it for an excuse later on in life. Because you talk to me this way. I'm. I'm a bum. Please.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I think we already talked a little bit about this, didn't. Oh, Greg and Tannen have their date night and he talks about.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, this is where the phone call you were talking about comes up. And he was just offering to be helpful, but he didn't want any trouble, so he showed her.

[Dolores]

Oh, shit. My husband is not going to give any random girls his phone number and then text him, baby, you don't know. Girl just goes, hey, baby. There's got to be a reason why they say, well, here's the thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Here's the. Well, yeah, some people talk like that. It's not okay, but. But you know, you're opening yourself up for trouble.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

When you do that. But I don't know that Tannen's given her husband that much attention. She's the breadwinner in the family. She goes away mostly with her girlfriend Sky. Maybe he looks for attention by showing her, like, look, somebody else might like me. Do you want to give me a little more time? I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm speaking out of my ass right now.

[Dolores]

He's controlling. He is very controlling.

[Tamara Judge]

How is he controlling? She's allowed to go away with her friend. Controlling guys don't let you go away with your friend.

[Dolores]

I don't know, I just feel like he seemed like the way he talked to her was a little bit controlling. Like, I can do it, but you can't. You do it a little too much, but you do it and you come home. Well, I know what happens. Well, if you know what happens and you're probably doing something shady there, Greg,

[Tamara Judge]

you're probably, say, 10 and where's the pants?

[Dolores]

You think so? Okay, well, we'll see.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm going out on a limb right now.

[Dolores]

I mean, they agree that they need to work on their communication, that's for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Most people do. I think we probably all do.

[Dolores]

Well, it ends on an interesting note when MJ's mother, Vita grabs coffee with Tommy. And Vita tells Tommy that MJ doesn't feel safe in their marriage. And it was. It was a very raw, open conversation.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you want your mother in law to get involved in your marriage?

[Dolores]

No, it doesn't. I don't have a mother in law.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, well, Tommy doesn't have a mom and Vita is the mom, really, to both of them. And I think that it's okay for her to speak, like right now.

[Special Agent Riegel]

It's.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think she's trying to hurt the marriage that she never wanted for her daughter anyway. I think she's trying to let him know that maybe he needs to change and he doesn't want to hear it, and he isn't. This guy is not capable of changing he is what he is.

[Dolores]

It is.

[Tamara Judge]

The die is cast. You know, he hasn't had an easy life. He, this is the product of that.

[Dolores]

He is. And after seeing Tommy get emotional, do you see him differently? Because I definitely saw him differently after he got a little bit emotional. And we saw flashbacks of his mom and his mom passing away and he said he was sleeping on a park bench and all that.

[Tamara Judge]

It hurts me for a little boy, but as an adult, you have to, you have to, Tommy, you have to move well, you have to, you have to polish yourself up and you do, especially for your child. We all have to turn into something better for our children.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And he's saying, but I'm not a bad guy. Like he comes from a place where people are really bad. And he's saying, but I'm not a bad guy. And he doesn't really want to hear it. So he needs to find somebody maybe more like him.

[Dolores]

I agree. I agree. It's just, I mean, we'll see more as time goes on and I want

[Tamara Judge]

them all to be okay. I want them to for their kids sake. But I think we're going to see some real life lessons in this show. I really do.

[Dolores]

I think it's going to be good.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm so happy to see Reza and MJ and Gonessa and Adam, my sweetheart. I love to see them all again together. I'm very, very excited for this.

[Dolores]

Thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod. And that is the Valley Persians.

[Tamara Judge]

The Valley. Yes. Jump on the Val bandwagon and join us next week for episode three. You only have to watch episode one and two if you haven't already.

[Dolores]

Bye, guys.

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