Poorit (RHOP & RHOBH Recap)

Summary

Summary of "Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge" Episode: Poorit (RHOP & RHOBH Recap)
Release Date: February 27, 2025

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Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Updates

Karen's Sentencing: Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge delve into the legal troubles of RHOP star Karen, who faced sentencing for her fourth DUI offense. The duo expresses sympathy yet emphasizes the severity of her actions.

• Tamra Judge (04:10): "Holy moly. Okay, guys, I hate to jump to it..."
• Erika Jayne (05:04): "She'll probably never have a license again."

Discussion Points:

• Karen's history of DUIs (2006-2011) and her voluntary admission to a rehab facility.
• Concerns over the nature of the rehab program, described as "equates itself to a luxury resort experience."
• The panel speculates on the implications of her sentencing, suggesting it's unlikely she'll receive leniency.

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Personal News Highlights

Engagement and Family Updates: The hosts share heartwarming personal stories, including engagements and new additions to families within their circle.

• Erika Jayne (07:27): "Little Frankie is engaged. What can you tell us?"
• Tamra Judge (11:20): "Rachel Futa welcomes her baby boy with husband John, and they welcome a son, Lorenzo."

Highlights:

• Frankie’s engagement to Nicole, a skilled injector and enthusiast for weekend metal detecting.
• Rachel Futa’s recent childbirth, celebrating her son Lorenzo and the joy it brings to her as a new mother.

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Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH) Season Recap

Key Storylines and Conflicts

Mia’s Divorce and Emotional Struggles: The hosts discuss Mia's tumultuous divorce proceedings, highlighting her emotional state and the strain it places on her friendships.

• Erika Jayne (23:45): "I think she's broken."
• Tamra Judge (24:03): "I think she's doing pretty damn good considering what her past was and her upbringing."

Giselle’s Breakout and Relationships: Giselle Bryant’s evolving relationships and her confident demeanor are analyzed, with the hosts predicting her continued success.

• Erika Jayne (25:53): "I'm telling you, Giselle's having a good time. This is Giselle's breakout time."
• Tamra Judge (26:01): "This is her best reunion, I think, in a long time."

Sutton's Struggles and Conflicts with Dorit: A significant portion of the discussion centers around Sutton Richards’ confrontations with Dorit Kemsley, including comments about financial status and drinking habits.

• Tamra Judge (72:49): "She's got her personality. She made her bones when she came in."
• Erika Jayne (73:22): "She made a fool out of herself. Yeah, she didn't go too low. I would have laughed at that."

Dorit’s Strategic Moves: Dorit Kemsley’s tactical interactions, especially her targeted comments towards Sutton, are scrutinized for their impact on the dynamics within the group.

• Erika Jayne (68:36): "She's gonna swallow her tongue."
• Tamra Judge (69:33): "That's the new Jesus jugs."

Character Dynamics and Predictions

Potential Fallout and Future Developments: The hosts anticipate escalating tensions, especially between Sutton and Dorit, predicting that Dorit will continue to challenge Sutton, potentially leading to more dramatic confrontations.

• Erika Jayne (74:42): "Dorit's going to win. She's going to win. I don't care about her wallet."
• Tamra Judge (75:49): "She is."

Kyle’s Relationship with Mauricio: Kyle Richards’ complicated relationship with Mauricio reveals deeper emotional layers, with the hosts expressing concern over her well-being and suggesting she seeks professional help.

• Tamra Judge (60:20): "She's finally opening up a better relationship with Mauricio."
• Erika Jayne (61:16): "You should be getting a lot of help if you didn't find a family counselor."

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Insightful Takeaways and Conclusions

Navigating Personal Struggles in the Spotlight: Teddi and Tamra emphasize the importance of seeking support and being authentic amidst the pressures of reality television. They advocate for understanding and compassion towards cast members facing personal challenges.

• Tamra Judge (62:15): "I would love nothing more than them to get back together."
• Erika Jayne (64:54): "She needs to get a grip on that because guess what, Sutton, because you drink doesn't mean you have less money in your bank account."

Impact of Public Scrutiny on Personal Lives: The discussion underscores how public scrutiny can exacerbate personal issues, urging cast members to prioritize mental health and genuine relationships over on-screen drama.

• Erika Jayne (71:13): "Camera doesn't lie. You can't fool the public."
• Tamra Judge (77:23): "No. Well, we got to see Kyle open up a little bit."

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Notable Quotes

• Tamra Judge (04:10): "Holy moly. Okay, guys, I hate to jump to it..."
• Erika Jayne (05:04): "She'll probably never have a license again."
• Erika Jayne (23:45): "I think she's broken."
• Tamra Judge (26:01): "This is her best reunion, I think, in a long time."
• Erika Jayne (73:22): "She made a fool out of herself. Yeah, she didn't go too low. I would have laughed at that."
• Tamra Judge (75:49): "She is."

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Two Ts In A Pod," Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge provide a comprehensive and candid recap of recent events in both the Real Housewives of Potomac and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Through insightful analysis and genuine camaraderie, they navigate the complex interpersonal dynamics and personal tribulations of the cast members, offering listeners a nuanced perspective on reality TV drama and the real lives behind the cameras.

Transcript

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Giselle Bryant]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Erika Jayne]

Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamra Judge]

Hey guys. Welcome to another episode of Two T's and a Pod with myself and Dolores.

[Erika Jayne]

Hi everyone. I love being here. I really do.

[Tamra Judge]

You do. We love you being here. We thank you so much. You're getting ready to go film the reunion.

[Erika Jayne]

I am getting ready to go film the reunion. What am I in store for. Can you just give me, like, let me.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

Highlights, whatever.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay. Well, you made it on the show still. We don't know how far you made it, but you've made it at far, so you're probably gonna. I was last seat at the reunion, and I told Andy this is the very first time I've ever been last seat that I can remember.

[Erika Jayne]

It's.

[Tamra Judge]

There's not a lot of drama, like, housewife stuff. Nothing to get, like, you know, nervous about. It's more fun. It's not as long. It's fun to see all your castmates again because you probably haven't seen them in a while, and I think you're gonna have a good time.

[Erika Jayne]

We've seen some because we had press.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, true.

[Erika Jayne]

That was the first. Yeah, I saw them like a week or two ago.

[Tamra Judge]

Not like we had it last year. Like, there was Andy. And then a couch on both sides and then chairs behind the couch. So I'm sure you'll be.

[Erika Jayne]

And then a couch and then chairs on.

[Tamra Judge]

It's kind of like when the guys come to the reunion and they're in the back.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. So then who sits on.

[Tamra Judge]

Holy News just came in. News judge has sentenced Karen for two years with one year suspended. What does that mean? Two years?

[Erika Jayne]

She'll do a year.

[Tamra Judge]

Holy moly. Okay, guys, I hate to jump to it, but that was going to be our. One of our headlines. Karen faces sentencing today. And we just heard from Montgomery Do a Year County, Maryland, that she has been sentenced to one year. According to the Washington Post, this is Karen's fourth DUI. The previous three happened between 2006 and 2011. Prosecutors said this. This about. Wait, the prosecutor said this about the rehab facility Karen voluntarily checked into. The state is concerned that the program that Ms. Huger did choose to enroll in equates itself to a luxury resort experience.

[Erika Jayne]

Listen, not such a terrible sentence. She'll probably never have a license again.

[Tamra Judge]

No, no. And I'm assuming, like, they're talking that they're going to put one of those blowers in her car when she is able to. And it. Oh, my God. Wow. So we're gonna.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't know if she's got a year in her now. Teresa did a year.

[Tamra Judge]

Teresa's tough. She's one tough girl.

[Erika Jayne]

But it was also federal prison. This is a different type. This isn't the country club. This isn't the. You're in with hardened criminals.

[Tamra Judge]

This is not a camp. No.

[Erika Jayne]

No, this is not a camp. And I don't know. I mean, I don't think she's cut out for this. This is gonna be a hard year.

[Tamra Judge]

This is gonna be a really hard year. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm very sorry, Karen.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. But you know what?

[Erika Jayne]

I'm very sorry. Stay strong.

[Tamra Judge]

But you can't turn people. What were you thinking, like, now?

[Erika Jayne]

Tamra, you and I grew up at a time where they finally started cracking down on drunk driving.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

And before that, every week, like a kid was getting killed or. You don't really hear it so much. I mean, they don't mess around now for a very long time. Since the 80s.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. I know this is bad to work.

[Erika Jayne]

You can afford an Uber. You can afford a driver.

[Tamra Judge]

But I think when you have a drinking problem like that, you're not even aware that you're. You're.

[Erika Jayne]

Where's the intervention? But who knows? Because in so many instances we look at people who die and where were the people around them and were they able to get through to them?

[Tamra Judge]

And maybe they just couldn't get through to her. You know, even with Shannon, when she got her dui, you know, I had a conversation with her and I said, this is a wake up call, you know, and we had this full blown conversation. Like, you can't. I don't know if she surrounds herself with yes people. They're just like, okay, that's it, that's it.

[Erika Jayne]

The yes people are your demise. Always. We don't know if that's the case. Right.

[Tamra Judge]

But that's the.

[Erika Jayne]

What else is there?

[Tamra Judge]

So we're going to give credit to.

[Erika Jayne]

We.

[Tamra Judge]

I go podcast on Twitter or X whatever you want to call it. Who's in the courtroom right now? Who just announced that Karen has been sentenced to two years with one year suspended? Okay, well, let's see, let's see. So let's move along. And we have some good news.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm dying, though. Like, that's crazy news.

[Tamra Judge]

Little Frankie is engaged. Okay, what can you tell us? What can you tell us?

[Erika Jayne]

So Nicole is the New Jersey lip boss. That's her Instagram handle. She's an injector and she's very good. She's a nerd.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm just looking at that body.

[Erika Jayne]

The body's insane. Instead of wins like this. And the big ass.

[Tamra Judge]

She's hot. She is hot.

[Erika Jayne]

She's hot, but she's very sweet. You know, her and Frankie are Very simple. They didn't. They don't post a lot about their lives, but they have a simple life. Like, they go metal detecting together on the weekends.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, fun.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. And, you know, Frankie works a lot of hours. It's ridiculous. And she tolerates that. And I said to him, you know, not everybody would tolerate being alone so much. And I think it works for her. It would work for me. And I. And I.

[Tamra Judge]

That doesn't bother me.

[Erika Jayne]

No. Work, work. You know, it's a good life. You know, there's something that comes after those hours. So I said. And, you know, he said, mom, I want to get engaged. I know I'm 26 and. But I said, it's the right thing to do.

[Tamra Judge]

How long have they been together?

[Erika Jayne]

They've been together a year. But I said, you know, she comes from the best family. We went to Portugal to meet them. Anyway, he was so excited to do this, and people think he got married.

[Tamra Judge]

I was going to ask you about that because there you're in church. Right. So people are assuming that they got married.

[Erika Jayne]

So Frankie. I was a single mom always, and Frankie was also raised by my parents. They both. We both. When I had to work, Frankie had the influence of my mother, who's very religious, very big devotion to the Blessed Mother and rosaries and everything. And he wanted her family and my mom to know that he is going to carry on the faith and have a mass for her and surprise her to know what an important thing it was for him in his life and to know that it'll be a part of his family in future. So. Yeah. And they went to Fatima together, and he bought rosaries when they were there. So he had me put them. Have them put in her bouquet. I mean, he's. I raised him to be the man I would want. That's all I can say.

[Tamra Judge]

So sweet. I love.

[Erika Jayne]

We were so happy. She was so excited. Who knew it would get the press that it did. It was all over.

[Tamra Judge]

How'd you get her in a white dress?

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. So he told her that he was taking her to a brunch for his work, but she had an idea they were getting engaged.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, so she had an idea. I hadn't. Yeah, I think most girls have an idea.

[Erika Jayne]

Girls know. Girls know what you're thinking before you do it. Before, you know. But women know. So the. You know, she knew what kind of ring she wanted, and she was just ready every weekend this month. Like, if they were going metal detecting, I think she was probably wearing white. So. So. But what she didn't know was her closest friends and both sides of our family would be waiting in the Lady Chapel in St Patrick's Cathedral.

[Tamra Judge]

I love that cathedral.

[Erika Jayne]

She then didn't know. Yeah. Then she didn't know that they were going to a party with flowers and a photo booth and everything. And the room was set up beautifully. Our dream steakhouse and I could have been their wedding.

[Tamra Judge]

When do you know when they want to get married?

[Erika Jayne]

Couple years.

[Tamra Judge]

A couple years?

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, a couple years. Because he said he wants to make a lot of money before he gets married. I know, and I think it'll be a destination. I think it'll be in Portugal, where her family is from, which I'm good for. Otherwise, there'll be a thousand people at the wedding, so I'm good with that.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Well, congratulations.

[Erika Jayne]

They were so happy. Everybody with you.

[Tamra Judge]

Instagram was so happy to hear that. Everybody was so. Another great news. Is a great story. I love when we have headlines with good news. Rachel Futa welcomes her baby boy with husband John, and they welcome a son, Lorenzo.

[Erika Jayne]

Lorenzo, of course. His name's.

[Tamra Judge]

Of course. His name's Lauren. He's cute. He's a little picture. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

He's in love. And she is. She's a great mom. Rachel Fooder. I love her.

[Tamra Judge]

I love the food.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, no, they're great people.

[Tamra Judge]

She does an Instagram story or something. I don't know. What, a week after the baby, and I'm like, girl, you don't even look like you were ever pregnant. Tiniest little thing.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, the baby was eight pounds. She's like, I'm halfway there, Dolo. I'm like, oh, nice.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, good.

[Erika Jayne]

You come home in your jeans. I'll punch you right in your face.

[Tamra Judge]

Right. So there are officially a family of six. That's awesome. Now, after last week's episode of Real House at Beverly Hills, Brandi Glanville tweeted, I feel like Dorit might have been doing a little bit of cocaine in the bathroom all night long. Bitch. Allegedly. As an audience member, the jaw doesn't lie. So what does that mean? Like, she's moving her jaw or something, and that means she's doing cocaine.

[Erika Jayne]

Here's the thing, Tamara. I've never done coke. I've never seen coke. I've never even been around it. I don't know. But everyone always says there's a jaw thing going on. I don't know.

[Tamra Judge]

But that's.

[Erika Jayne]

Randy would know better than me. I'm just gonna say.

[Tamra Judge]

I just think that that's kind of a Unnecessary shitty thing to say.

[Erika Jayne]

Did she have a problem with Dory? Were they. Did they ever have problems?

[Tamra Judge]

Evidently, I guess. I don't know. I mean, she hasn't been on the show in a long time, so she.

[Erika Jayne]

Was off the show, I think, before Dorit ever came on.

[Tamra Judge]

I think so too. I can't remember.

[Erika Jayne]

They were never on the show. Brandi, feel that Dorit possibly took her place? Did she get let go and then Dory? Because that holds a grudge with these bitches.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, I know. Trust me, I know. Seriously, like, being. You know, I'm not gonna even touch down with what I'm dealing with. But, I mean, it just wasn't necessary. Was it nice? No, it wasn't. I mean, it can actually.

[Erika Jayne]

Is anything Brandy does necessary?

[Tamra Judge]

No. But this could actually probably get you in trouble.

[Erika Jayne]

You think?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, saying somebody's on drugs. I just don't think.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't think it's against the law to say that.

[Tamra Judge]

It's not. I don't know.

[Erika Jayne]

It's against the law to show a naked picture of somebody blowing somebody that they.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, yeah, that's definitely.

[Erika Jayne]

You're going in.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm super sensitive with saying anything because, you know, I've. You always get things and misspoke and, like, I should have said that, you know, and it just takes that one person that wants to come after you.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, and it's so easy because there's always a target on us.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, there's always a target, like. Yeah. But anyway, so this is a way to say goodbye to your ex. Portia Williams, ex Simon has been detained by ice.

[Erika Jayne]

Did she turn him into ice? I don't know. Did she put in a little.

[Tamra Judge]

It's like.

[Erika Jayne]

Did she drop a little note just.

[Tamra Judge]

Saying, I don't know?

[Erika Jayne]

No. Hell has no fury like a woman scorn. Just. Sorry.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean. So Simon is. No. In ICE custody, meaning he is being held by immigration and customs.

[Erika Jayne]

Portia's not surprised.

[Tamra Judge]

I. I think she probably doesn't care. Probably doesn't care. So he came from Nigeria.

[Erika Jayne]

When you really don't care about somebody, how you act, you're.

[Tamra Judge]

When you don't care, you're indifferent, I think. But I don't know how he got picked up. It's weird because he's been here since 1982, so I guess he overstayed his visa a little. Yeah. And was declared deportion in 1985, then returned.

[Erika Jayne]

Your papers.

[Tamra Judge]

Get your papers.

[Erika Jayne]

So you're going on tv. You marry a public figure. You're marrying two Public like it wasn't even somebody.

[Tamra Judge]

Why do people that have to hide or skeletons want to come on a TV show?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, I don't know.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't understand that.

[Erika Jayne]

You're just not self aware.

[Tamra Judge]

No. I mean, is it like a severe case of narcissism where you just think, like, you're just not going to get caught?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, that must be. I. Because why would you want to do that? And why would you come on a TV show for like, you're just under a glass? I know everything.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. I know. Well, Kelly Bensimo from New York sent a list of replacement cast members to Andy Cohen.

[Erika Jayne]

That revolves around her.

[Tamra Judge]

It revolves around her. That's. Speaking of.

[Erika Jayne]

That wasn't left out.

[Tamra Judge]

Speaking of narcissistic behavior. I'm like, everybody says I should be back on Housewives.

[Erika Jayne]

All my friends.

[Tamra Judge]

All my friends that are divorced.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, bring us all back and bring us all about New York.

[Tamra Judge]

Right? So she. She basically wants to come back and she wants the show to be revamped and they need to focus more on New York City itself. And not so much the girls, I.

[Erika Jayne]

Guess, disagree with that. There's so much in.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't. I don't disagree either. I love seeing New York. I love being.

[Erika Jayne]

I love New York. Old New York. There's no beating old New York. I'm sorry, how you feel? Who. About who I'm talking about or who they are? Those girls were number one for a long time. For a good reason.

[Tamra Judge]

They were. They were. And it's hard to beat that or to come after a show like that where everybody was so great.

[Erika Jayne]

There's big shoes to fill.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Jon Hamm was on Watch what Happens Live and he told Andy to bring them back. Matt, do you mean bring. Bring the whole cast back?

[Erika Jayne]

Did you see that? Louis Luann, I. I like you. I think your body's insane. I think you're amazing. I don't think you can sing. People love to watch you.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't sing.

[Erika Jayne]

I, I, I. And they go crazy. She's in Dublin right now.

[Tamra Judge]

I know Dublin. She's on a world tour. I saw like a video of her on stage in the huge audience and I just went.

[Erika Jayne]

Huge audience in Dublin.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm like, girl, you made it for yourself. For somebody that doesn't really. Vocals. Money can't buy your love and you're not Tom's.

[Erika Jayne]

Let's face it, Luanne, you're not. You're no Tom Sandoval.

[Tamra Judge]

No. Oh, God.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, no one's as musically inclined as him?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. He's amazing.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, it's just hard. He had to carry that whole scene. But Luanne got. God bless you, girl.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh my God, she did it.

[Erika Jayne]

The people love her. They love her. And I happen to like her very much. Like, good for her. I know her. Luann, we're happy for you. Congrats. Blow the doors off of Dublin and they can sing. Let me tell you, I've been to Ireland so many times. Oh, you're just sitting there eating a tuna fish sandwich and the next thing you know, a group of friends just start belting out old Irish songs about a dog and a guy or something and they start singing for no fucking reason. And they can sing. I'm embarrassed. I'm like, get me out of here.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh my God. I've only been once and we filmed. So I didn't really get to see the city as much as I wanted to. But I've been dying to go back.

[Erika Jayne]

I think you would enjoy it. And like I said, I'm like, Paul, why are they singing? They're just a bunch of girls just get up and sing because they're very.

[Tamra Judge]

Happy but they know their shit.

[Erika Jayne]

They know how to sing. They have good voices.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, those Irish. I'm half Irish.

[Erika Jayne]

I can't say, yeah, you have to go, but go the way I tell you to go.

[Tamra Judge]

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[Maria Fernanda Diaz]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Erika Jayne]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Erika Jayne]

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[Giselle Bryant]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Tamra Judge]

So Potomac. We're gonna get into Potomac Reunion. This is part two. So much so Andy goes to check on Mia. Andy tells Mia to give herself grace. Mia says she's been a terrible friend and she's emotional. Emotional because she is in the final weeks of her divorce. I at this point am not believing anything. Mia is Saying you can't.

[Erika Jayne]

You can't.

[Tamra Judge]

Believe me, I think that Andy has a little bit of a soft spot.

[Erika Jayne]

He does, and he should. She's a broken. I think she's broken.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I think. Let's never forget Mia's life that we know about. I've. How do I put this in the right way? You don't come out of the life that Mia comes from unscathed.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

That's all I'm gonna say. She's had it as bad as it gets. Mia has had a crazy, hard harbor, you know, from a very, very early on.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

So you gotta really take that into consideration when you know someone.

[Tamra Judge]

And I think, considering what she has been through. I didn't really think of it through that perspective. I think she's doing pretty damn good considering what her past was and her upbringing. But.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, where's its ugly head?

[Tamra Judge]

But it's.

[Erika Jayne]

It did.

[Tamra Judge]

It's a problem. And I think, like, she could have taken many routes in life, you know, that's true.

[Erika Jayne]

Camera. That is very, very true. However, the lion, it manifest. It manifests itself in many different ways always. And, you know, I grew up with people, and I saw that life where I came from, so I know what we're dealing with in that way. But you just never know what. What the person could be capable of. So, Mia, I hope that you find help, and I think that you really need it, and I think you need a lot of it. And do you think she'll be back by the wayside? I think she won't. Only because I think it's a lot. The show's too much for her, and I don't think anybody any of the girls want. Would want her back at this point.

[Tamra Judge]

It doesn't look like it. We have, I think, one more reunion. We'll see how that goes. But the reunion tells a lot.

[Erika Jayne]

Like, well, I hope she comes back.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So. But I think she's got a lot to deal with for.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

But.

[Tamra Judge]

Andy asked Giselle and Ashley about their new men. Giselle. Giselle says they are stronger than ever.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm telling you, Giselle's having a good time. This is Giselle's breakout time.

[Tamra Judge]

This is her best reunion, I think, in a long time.

[Erika Jayne]

I thought she was.

[Tamra Judge]

She was, like, clocked in. She was ready to go. She. No shortage of words.

[Erika Jayne]

No shortage of words. She looked good. She feels good. She's confident. I think, you know, what people don't understand in our world is that we're human and you don't see Everything behind closed doors. So you never know what we're really going through. So I think by the likes and the looks of her, that things are very good for her right now. I think she's getting the dust knocked off. I think that she's. She's being treated well. I think she's with someone who makes her feel very good. And I think she's in a very good place. Her children are doing well. They're both in college. And, you know, and she's got time to herself.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. Which is nice. And you realize at first you, like, you're. You're afraid of it, and then when it happens, you're like, hell, yeah, this is good. But did you notice Ashley said Josh and her have cut back on dating because they were getting too hot and heavy. I don't understand. The only logic I can think of is producers are like, we have to promote Love Hotel. So let's brush through the segment of Josh and Ashley being hot and heavy because she has a dating show coming out.

[Erika Jayne]

I know.

[Tamra Judge]

And she's like, we're so hot and heavy. We had to back off. I'm like, why would you back off from hot and heavy?

[Erika Jayne]

That's what you want to make any sense. Make any sense. Unless you're getting hot and heavy and that person isn't going to be the one that you're going to be with. So then you pull it back.

[Tamra Judge]

Or if you really just.

[Erika Jayne]

One person just doesn't really like the other person that much. So you're trying to be nice and you just try to say, oh, no.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. So. And he asked Kiana what her relationship status is. She says that her and Greg are still together and went ring shopping.

[Erika Jayne]

Another confusion last night was the night of Bravo confusion for me. I just want you to know that I'm confused as I was so confused, I ordered a pie at like 10:30 at night just to watch. I just blame my. It's so bad. My. Blame my pigginess.

[Tamra Judge]

That's all right. Sometimes we just need that.

[Erika Jayne]

Thank you, Tamara.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, I might. I appetite hasn't been good with everything that's going on. So when I do eat, I've been going to like In N Out or bean and cheese burritos, like stuff that I don't normally eat because I'm losing weight, because I'm not. And I don't have a lot of weight to lose.

[Erika Jayne]

You do look, then you do. Not gonna lie. I'm jealous.

[Tamra Judge]

Marisol texts me, how are you doing? How. You know, once she calls she texts for updates, and she says, are you eating? And I said, no, I'm a scrawny old lady right now. Scrawny old lady. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

No, you know, you look good. Beautiful.

[Tamra Judge]

But I don't know that Greg and Karana, I just don't know that that's a very good mix. Now, she admitted that she bought a house on her own, but then they're talk, yeah, let's move out.

[Erika Jayne]

Let's break up and get engaged. That's what I. I'm like.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, that makes all the sense.

[Erika Jayne]

In the world if this makes sense going on. Just tell the truth.

[Tamra Judge]

Just tell the truth.

[Erika Jayne]

Tell the truth. You're saying you're not that close because you don't want to film.

[Tamra Judge]

He doesn't want to film. I've never seen a show where the fourth wall is broken. So much about a husband that doesn't want to film or boyfriend, whatever it.

[Erika Jayne]

Is, get off Jersey. You're not allowed to do that.

[Tamra Judge]

I know.

[Erika Jayne]

In New Jersey, you show your life or we have to rethink your status.

[Tamra Judge]

Right. And that's pretty much how it is across the board. But they. And that's what makes me think, like, she probably won't be back, like, if they're fighting and it's being, you know, put on national tv, that he hates the show. I mean, my husband doesn't love it, but he.

[Erika Jayne]

But Andy was respectful to it.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, he was. He was.

[Erika Jayne]

He's like, listen, I get it. You know, he came on. She's like, listen, he came on at a bad time for me when everybody was attacking me. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So why would he like it? He cares about me. And he told Andy, and Andy respected this, and he liked the way that he spoke to her. He said, andy, I don't enjoy this, but I'm here for her.

[Tamra Judge]

That's good.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, there's something to be said about.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that's good, because, you know, I feel like my husband's like that as well. It's like, it's not his thing. He's more private.

[Erika Jayne]

Not a violent man.

[Tamra Judge]

No, no, he's not like that either. But he's like, you know, I do it for you. I do it for you. But Stacy. Well, actually, Andy outed that. TJ and Stacy are no longer together. She confirmed it. All the women were shocked. But were they shocked? Were they.

[Erika Jayne]

Why? I don't even know what that was.

[Tamra Judge]

It doesn't. It does not seem like a relationship. It did not ever seem like a relationship. I mean, I'm not Gonna lie. When Wendy said on the show, the after show, whatever it was, that he was more into the trainer than he was into her, that wasn't nice. But it was all over social media. I'm like, oh, snap, that's not good. But.

[Erika Jayne]

So Wendy put that out there.

[Tamra Judge]

Wendy put that out there. They showed a clip of that. Stacy was upset about that, but of.

[Erika Jayne]

Course, she should have been.

[Tamra Judge]

But she did say that they were intimate. Intimate.

[Erika Jayne]

No, they. So here's the. Here's everything.

[Tamra Judge]

Everything but that. And I'm thinking intimate moments were Stacy and TJ sending money into his Venmo with an eggplant emoji. Maybe that's about as intimate as they came. But there was mention that this is a Kenya and Walter situation. I did not watch the show back then, so I had to look into it. Evidently, it was like a rent a boyfriend for the show. It was a fake storyline. Yeah, fake storyline. And whenever. You know this, you've been around a long time on Housewives. Whenever you do a fake storyline, it shows.

[Erika Jayne]

You cannot fool the public, okay?

[Tamra Judge]

And you can't fool the camera either. Like, camera doesn't lie. It just.

[Erika Jayne]

Camera doesn't lie. You can't fool the public. When you're thirsty, they see through it. When you're not sincere, they see through it. However, some people get away with it more than others. Yeah, they don't always see everything.

[Tamra Judge]

Isn't it frustrating when people get away. Away with it? Oh, listen, that's.

[Erika Jayne]

Hey, some people have the luck and some don't.

[Tamra Judge]

I know, but see, I. My ass is always like, I'm really about injustice. And I'm like, you know you are. You know, I know. I'm actually in therapy over that right now. So I'm like that, though.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm not just saying that because we're friends, but, like. No, no, seriously, what's wrong with it?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, exactly like I. What is wrong with it? Well, evidently, you know, people are too soft nowadays. Maybe not in Jersey. Beat around here. It's like, you know, if you're doing something wrong, I call it out, then I'm the bad one. So I'm trying not to. I'm trying my hardest not to. So Vivian, the dress girl, gave Stacy the same dress she had made for.

[Erika Jayne]

Ashley's looking to get a spot on the show. Right.

[Tamra Judge]

So Stacy says she and Vivian are no longer Wendy.

[Erika Jayne]

Says Stacy of. But turns out.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I know, right? And I'm like, oh, okay. We're seeing a different side of Stacy on this reunion. And it.

[Erika Jayne]

I Feel like Stacy wants to keep her job. She needs to loosen up.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I think that she's one of those people that. And. And Stacy wants to come on the pod so we can interview her shortly here after the reunion. I feel like she appears to be someone who is vastly different on camera than she is off camera. And you know what? You're. It's her first year. Sometimes people come on, they don't know how to act. It makes them. The cameras make them nervous.

[Erika Jayne]

Some people don't know place like, you know, like, I don't want to step on somebody's toes. I'm conscious of that. Like bows don't care. No, Just came on and she's a.

[Tamra Judge]

Perfect example of a great housewife.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. She's like, I don't give a. I, you know, but just. Stacy's different, but she also comes.

[Tamra Judge]

Doesn't she come from like QVC or something like that?

[Erika Jayne]

Like she comes from a different type of filming background.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So she's at. She doesn't know the rules of this side of the. The zoo yet.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Erika Jayne]

So we're in the non feeding section of the zoo. Yes. So you might have to take everything, you know, from your civilized part where you're feeding the. The little reindeer.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. You're not, you're not. You're not feeding ducks anymore.

[Erika Jayne]

You're not feeding dogs.

[Tamra Judge]

No. No.

[Erika Jayne]

You're not supposed to put your hand in this cage. So now you're gonna have to learn how to be a housewife. And you better do it quick.

[Tamra Judge]

But I think she has it in her. I think that, you know, it pops out every once in a while and you'll see, like the Vivian dress of.

[Erika Jayne]

All things that got her pissed off.

[Tamra Judge]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a, like if somebody wears the same dress as me?

[Erika Jayne]

Maybe it's a Southern thing.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know. I'm like, who cares?

[Erika Jayne]

Is it like such bad? Atticus. But Vivian probably knew better, though. Oh, probably.

[Tamra Judge]

She probably should have told her, hey, you know, somebody else wore this. So Jacqueline joins the woman.

[Erika Jayne]

Why?

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know. I feel like she didn't. There was nothing to be said. There was nothing. It was all about Mia. So she is. She is pregnant. So she announced that she's pregnant. She's doing May. Congratulations.

[Erika Jayne]

Congrats. Father of people having babies.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. Better than us, right? And then the dad has never been on tv is all she said. I don't know. Okay, so, okay, that's.

[Erika Jayne]

What.

[Tamra Judge]

That's all here.

[Erika Jayne]

But okay.

[Tamra Judge]

We never got anything more out of her.

[Erika Jayne]

So that we. The dad wasn't somebody that we had known or seen and we won't.

[Tamra Judge]

Basically. That's what she's saying.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't really care who the dad is.

[Tamra Judge]

I know I don't.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm not really with your pregnancy, though. That's wonderful for you. I'm so happy for you. Many blessings.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Mia says she and Ink broke up. Giselle says Ink wanted to be on TV and doesn't believe that they broke up. Giselle says Mia lives in Atlanta and flies in for every interview. Wendy thinks Mia had a plan with Ink and it backfired, so she dropped Ink. Giselle says pretended to drop Ink. Wendy says there's no divorce for Mia and Ink are all in on it. So she is saying basically.

[Erika Jayne]

Mia, wait. But isn't Ink one of the fathers?

[Tamra Judge]

Father?

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, that. I'm getting confused with all this nonsense.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay. So I actually get pissed off towards the end of the episode because I had no idea that Mia had ivf. So she knows who the baby daddy is. She had IVF to get pregnant with both her kids and she's playing it like, I don't know who the father is.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, my God. More confusion. More lies. Guys.

[Tamra Judge]

I know.

[Erika Jayne]

Stop lying. Stop lying. If you can't. If you can't stop lying, don't come. Don't come back.

[Tamra Judge]

That's just too much. And then Andy did storyline. I know. So Andy did make a comment about Wendy's Michelin man outfit. Was quite the look. Do you remember that? That big blue. I'm like. When I saw that, I'm like, what is that and why?

[Erika Jayne]

But I want to know why.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I think it was. It's kind of a look where the sleeves are kind of out like that. But when she sat down, it was so much bigger than her head.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, I've seen that. No. A rapper. Oh, no, wait. What's his name?

[Tamra Judge]

It wasn't cute.

[Erika Jayne]

Who was the blow up outfit? Sam Smith. Sam Smith. Sam Smith wore that on the. On the red carpet. It looked like a big blow up. It was a garbage, like bag. All blow up. Anyway, that's what I thought of More of the Mitchell and Man.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't cute.

[Erika Jayne]

I've been flattering.

[Tamra Judge]

I've actually.

[Erika Jayne]

Where's your friends? Nobody's friends on that show.

[Tamra Judge]

No. Clearly. Andy asked what Jeremiah knows about the paternity test. Mia says her kids are not allowed on social media. Giselle says Jeremiah will find out. Mia says in hindsight, she shouldn't have discussed it on tv. Mia says Jeremiah was conceived through ivf, but she could have already been pregnant. So this woman was having a second relations with Ink and going through ivf?

[Erika Jayne]

I never had ivf, but don't they check on those things? And if you. I mean. No, listen, I'm not going to comment on this because it's a big load of fucking shit. Okay? It is. I mean, I'm going to. I'm going to start to look like an asshole if I actually try to figure this out. So I'm not.

[Tamra Judge]

It's one of those things where less.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm worried because bowing out of this story.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I'm sure she's getting a lot of shit over this. I mean, what is the chances if she couldn't get pregnant and she's using IVF and she's having an affair on the side? There was a very low percentage that she would have gotten pregnant, but whatever. But she was holding on to that very well.

[Erika Jayne]

Listen, listen.

[Tamra Judge]

She tried, but Mia saying, this is one thing that got me. She couldn't find a family counselor to tell her kids they were getting divorced, so she decided to do it on reality tv.

[Erika Jayne]

Like, I mean, great idea.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Okay.

[Erika Jayne]

Great idea to think of a better way.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

They're beautiful. Listen, they're beautiful kids. Again, Mia, Mia, I stress. I think you should be in a lot of. You should be getting a lot of help if you didn't find a family counselor. There are a dime a dozen.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

You can Google it. I'm sure there's one. You can't throw a stone without hitting one. I think that you didn't try hard enough or you're not interested in therapy, which I beg. You're a mom. Your kids need you. I beg you to get therapy and help.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. So Giselle says Gordon never wanted to film with Ink, but Mia thought it was a good. It was good for the show. Mia says she wanted to show positive co parenting, which I can understand that.

[Erika Jayne]

Up for that?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. You've done a perfect example of that with Frank on the show here. And it says watching Gordon tried to navigate this looked like elder elder abuse. Elder abuse. I'm like, wait, is he that old? And then. So of course, we had to look it up. So, I mean, he's 72. Oh, is that, I guess, that old?

[Erika Jayne]

To me, but it's old.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

My mom's like, in their set. My parents are in their 70s.

[Tamra Judge]

Mine too.

[Erika Jayne]

He. He could be an old 72. Let's say.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And he's also very tortured by all of this.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

It's all over his face. And if he is, if there is a breach in the integrity of his mental state, being diagnosed with bipolar, then guess what? This girl is going to put him over to around the bed.

[Tamra Judge]

I know, I know. I didn't like how it was constantly thrown in his face last season and used.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, this man is. You don't listen. You don't. I. I've been in many a family court. You. You don't push somebody's mental state like that because a normal person can snap. You really gotta be careful.

[Tamra Judge]

You do. You really.

[Erika Jayne]

Please be careful. Please be careful with this.

[Tamra Judge]

This.

[Erika Jayne]

This is a very, very scary game you're playing. Mia.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Which is out. And the girls just weren't having any of it. She. Giselle said, says if the world was on board with me and Inc, Things would be different. Ashley says Mia looked at this season as a production with a script. They weren't having it. They thought it was disgusting. Didn't like it. A fan wrote in a question why Mia thought it was okay to bring Giselle's daughter in a bad context. Mia says, yeah. What'd she say? She said something like they were all.

[Erika Jayne]

Drinking or sneaking out or something.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, so what? Welcome to teenagers. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I. I think that Giselle probably wanted to have five heart attacks when she said that to her.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, for sure.

[Erika Jayne]

In New Jersey. Let me explain to you what would have happened in that moment. I don't know if you've met us yet, but she would have got hit with a chair.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. If you Stop. I snuck out once when I was. And you know what happened? I came back and my dad nailed my window sh. Because I snuck out through the window and I was stuck outside, so I literally had to go knock on the front door. It was those old. Those old wooden windows that pulled up from the ground and I just, you know, popped my screen off, went out, got back like, I don't know, 1:00 in the morning, and lo and behold, I couldn't get in the house.

[Erika Jayne]

That is so funny.

[Tamra Judge]

We didn't have cell phones and stuff back then. As a parent, I would have been, like, scared, like, where's my kid? Oh, yeah. Huh. But let's see. So the women break eddie and Greg FaceTime. TJ saying they're at the reunion. TJ says he wasn't going to. That fake ass.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. With fake ass people. TJ says something that shocked Eddie and Greg. Eddie, text Wendy Saying td TJ dropped a bomb on them. I'm wondering if.

[Erika Jayne]

Did I miss something or did they cut.

[Tamra Judge]

They cut it. They cut it.

[Erika Jayne]

Dying.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm like, yes, Yes. I. I suspect it's that.

[Erika Jayne]

What do you think it is? What do you think?

[Tamra Judge]

That she was paying him to be her boyfriend for the show just for show purposes?

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, that comes out bad.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, I know. That will not. That will not be good. That will.

[Erika Jayne]

When do you think we're gonna find. I have to wait.

[Tamra Judge]

When is it? A week from now? The next reunion, guys. Oh, my.

[Erika Jayne]

Any update on Karen while we're talking? Let's see. Oh, as Karen was being taken because she yelled, love you, Ray. God's got you. I'll be all right. God bless you. Wait, she's leaving from the courthouse, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Wait, she's going to jail right now.

[Erika Jayne]

She's not even allowed to go home.

[Tamra Judge]

I thought you get sentenced and then she was taken into custody. Oh, my goodness.

[Erika Jayne]

So it's a very different day for her right now. She's getting processed. She's naked. She has to cough. They check every cavity. She's got to put on someone else's underwears, stained underwear, and she's got to put on a suit and lay on a dirty mattress.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God. I just can't. So. So this came. This information came from. What else is going on? Pod cast, like being taken into custody. Karen does have 30 days to appeal this decision, in 90 days to ask the judge for reconsideration to get him to lower it.

[Erika Jayne]

Save your money, Karen.

[Tamra Judge]

It's not going to happen. They're going to make an example.

[Erika Jayne]

They're g. You took the words right out of my mouth. They're going to make an example out of you. What you. It was too. Too much. Too many times. There's no way around it. And it's a very. It's a serious charge because of what it is.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

It's not like so. Well, it's thousands and thousands of dollars it will take just to appeal. Be a good girl in jail. Show your remorse, and maybe they'll let you out a little early for good behavior now, do you think? I don't think she'll be getting in any fistfights over there.

[Tamra Judge]

No. Do you think that they will pause Potomac like they did Jersey?

[Erika Jayne]

No.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't think so either. No.

[Erika Jayne]

They won't ever do that again for anyone. To be honest with you. That was back. It's not like that anymore.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, they just move on.

[Erika Jayne]

They just move on. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Because, like, My God.

[Erika Jayne]

What? Really? Because so many people have gotten gone to jail since and people have gotten married since and people have lost people in their lives since. Like it. That wasn't. It was still a novelty when they held that spot for her. It's not anymore. Yeah, well, that's my, that's my opinion.

[Tamra Judge]

We are going to take a little break and then we're going to come back with Real House of Beverly Hills season 14 episode 13. I can't believe that they are on episode 13. I know that the reunion is coming up here real soon.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Tamra Judge]

I just feel so bad for Kyle because it's going to be just a really tough reunion with everything that she went through this season and everything that's going on.

[Erika Jayne]

This is her second season of going through stuff. This isn't her first. Like, this is going on a long time now.

[Tamra Judge]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

I'm Maria Fernanda Diaz. My podcast when youn're Invisible is my love letter to the working class people and immigrants who shaped my life. I get to talk to a lot of people who form the backbone of our society, but who have never been interviewed before. Season 2 is all about community organizing and being underestimated.

[Maria Fernanda Diaz]

All the greatest changes have happened when a couple of people said, this sucks, let's do something about it.

[Tamra Judge]

I can't have more than $2,000 in my bank account or else I can't get disability benefits.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They won't let you succeed.

[Erika Jayne]

I know we get paid to serve.

[Tamra Judge]

You guys, but like the irresistible, we're made out of the same things.

[Erika Jayne]

Bone, body, blood.

[Giselle Bryant]

It's rare to have black male teachers. Sometimes I am the lesson and I'm also the testament.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen to when youn're Invisible as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Giselle Bryant]

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[Tamra Judge]

Ow. Go slower.

[Giselle Bryant]

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[Erika Jayne]

Hmm.

[Giselle Bryant]

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[Erika Jayne]

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[Giselle Bryant]

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[Tamra Judge]

We used the word drone because it was comfortable to other people.

[Erika Jayne]

One minute was there and one minute it wasn't.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, that is beyond creepy. Do you feel like this drone was targeting you specifically?

[Erika Jayne]

Yes, absolutely.

[Giselle Bryant]

Listen to Obscurum Invasion of the Drones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tamra Judge]

Welcome back to TTS in a Pod with me and Dolores.

[Erika Jayne]

We are gonna.

[Tamra Judge]

Hello. We're gonna recap Beverly Hills. One of. I love this show for so many reasons. Are you into it this season?

[Erika Jayne]

I'm so into it.

[Tamra Judge]

You know Luke. You know Luke, right?

[Erika Jayne]

Of course I know Luke. I'm gonna see him when I. Yeah, exactly.

[Tamra Judge]

So Luke said, is it a good season? And I had to think about it for a minute. I'm like, is this a good season? I always think Beverly Hills is a good season because to me, I don't really watch Beverly Hills for drama.

[Erika Jayne]

Not always. It's not always a good season, Tamara. It's not one season. They fucking fought over who wore panties right up until the last. Like, they dragged.

[Tamra Judge]

True, true.

[Erika Jayne]

Many, many A season for me anyway, is they drag. I mean, they. They drag out one storyline.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, they beat a dead horse.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, the underpants. Who didn't wear panties, who looked like. Yeah, but now it's a little good. It's getting good. It's not a little bit. It's really good. So I have so much to talk to you about with this. I really need to.

[Tamra Judge]

I really need to get into this. So it starts out where Jennifer and Sutton meet up. Sutton tells her about Dorit, Dorit's barbecue. The first time she will see Dorit since the barbecue is Jennifer's party. If you were sudden or yourself, would Dorit's comment about drinking bug you that bad or. I feel like it's bringing more attention to the situation.

[Erika Jayne]

I think it would. And it was meant to.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

See, Dori, let me explain to you what I say, okay? Dorit is Sutton's Hannibal Lecter. She is going to make her actually swallow her tongue. Sutton, take several seats. You are not going to beat her. You cannot fight her. She's smart, she's witty. She's not. Not so much witty as I say, like, she's been around the Dory, let's face it, has been around the block many a time.

[Tamra Judge]

She's different this year than she's been in many, many years.

[Erika Jayne]

She's exactly what I always knew she.

[Tamra Judge]

Was, but she held back.

[Erika Jayne]

She's held back because she had no backup. Now she got Bose as a backup. Now let's introducing Dori. She just came on the scene and you are going to see someone who is multicultural, tri quadruple lingual. She's lived quite a few lives from what I could see through. I don't know why anyone doesn't see it, but you're dealing with a different animal, Sutton, and it is out of your league. So you can be mad, but you better fucking reel it in really quick because I will say she's no match. Sutton, you're no match for Dorit.

[Tamra Judge]

No. But I will say this is. Dorit's new attitude is something that Beverly Hills has been missing for all these years. There's never. We had Brandy, but she went too low. Like, I feel like Dorit's the perfect balance. I don't love that she's gone after Kyle. All season we had Lisa Rena. Lisa Rena was great, but she's gone and she's gone now. She's been gone for a couple seasons.

[Erika Jayne]

They needed this. Listen, Dory in the nick of time is now getting in because there was some Talk that she was on the chopping block more than once.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, that's why. Yes. And last this season. Now they were talking about that or the arm should.

[Erika Jayne]

They're saying why she's.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, now the. Graham was talking about that.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't think she's faking her.

[Tamra Judge]

No, I don't think so either. At all. I don't think that. But they were, you know, saying, like, oh, she might not come back. She's not that interesting. And people say that she's who she is right now because she was worried about getting fired. I think she's just being herself.

[Erika Jayne]

She played it safe all these years because, let's face it. And I love Kyle, but she wasn't like her best friend. Like, she wasn't.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Erika Jayne]

That. That. Ride or die.

[Tamra Judge]

No. No. I don't think they were friends like that. I think they were. She knew they were show friends. I think they were show friends together.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. By the way, Dolores, if you have a caftan party, I'm not going. I am fine.

[Erika Jayne]

You could wear a Dior dress and.

[Tamra Judge]

It'S just not my best look.

[Erika Jayne]

You could wear what? Let me tell you something, Tamara. You can wear whatever you want to my parties because I'll probably come in the wrong outfit to one of yours because I don't read anything.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. Me either.

[Erika Jayne]

Including my 25,000 emails, I'm sure.

[Tamra Judge]

My God, I do do that. That gives me anxiety. If Jennifer Tilly has to do a layaway plan with Dolce and Gabbana for their jewelry.

[Erika Jayne]

I did not miss that.

[Tamra Judge]

How much is that shit?

[Erika Jayne]

She don't have to do a layaway plan. Oh, she's just being like. I don't know. She just. It was her way of, I think, trying to be relatable. Yeah, okay. You know, you see these two mature women sitting at the caviar place talking about putting her Dolce Gabbana on layaway. And all I could think about is the hundreds of millions of dollars they got from their husbands and what these men must think when they look at them like this is like, usually they give their money, like, to a 25 year old off of stripping, Paul. Like, this is what they.

[Tamra Judge]

And that's why I got a little upset with Sutton when she's, you know, called Dorit Pori and all that stuff. Because this money.

[Erika Jayne]

She said. I said, I know. Did she just say pori in her. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you what I think. Go ahead.

[Tamra Judge]

But I'm like, you made your Money from your husband. It's not like you're. You're. I mean, from what I know, it's not her hard work that made that money. I understand you were married and got like. I don't think in that situation, like, if Bo said that or something, she's working her ass off and she's making all her money. Like, okay, whatever. It might land a little bit different. But with Sutton, I'm like, I don't know.

[Erika Jayne]

I think Sutton is being ill advised on what to say by, like, sounds like her maybe glam team told her, like, these little sound bites. Or maybe a producer said, oh, see this? Like, it doesn't. It's not. I don't feel like it's coming from Sutton. Like, I feel like these are little soundbites that she was told to say and she tries to stick it in somewhere. Yeah, I don't think it's coming from her. I think she feels that way. But she says, and it's pick on.

[Tamra Judge]

Somebody whose wallet fits.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, she was told to say that, and she. She thought it was catchy and she threw it in. In a place where it didn't get, like. I want to say her glam team's like, here's something you could say. Like, it sounds like because when. When some people on my show are fed lines and then they try to repeat it back, it doesn't go well.

[Tamra Judge]

No, it doesn't. It does sometimes, like, how whoever is writing it for you and how you're saying it, it doesn't match up.

[Erika Jayne]

Or if it's not your personality, it's not your personality. Yeah. However, like, she. Her money's defining. She's letting her money define her. And good. I mean, what else is going to do it? But it's just like, back off. But that's why I say, Tamara, I see, like, something really brewing here because Dorit's going to come out of her shell and go for an easy target, which is. Is Sutton. And Sutton, she cannot fight this woman now. She can. With her big wallet, she's no match for Dory in any sense of the word. So you guys can have your fight, but if they don't reconcile soon, it's going to get super ugly. And. And, you know, it's not going to be good.

[Tamra Judge]

No. Well, we. We got to see Kyle open up a little bit. And she's, you know, she's gotten a lot of heat on social media because people feel like she's not opening up enough about her situation with Mauricio, and she's Basically, she meets with her life coach. Kyle thinks Mo's only.

[Erika Jayne]

I happen to like. I like her life coach.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. I did too.

[Erika Jayne]

I thought it was great because a.

[Tamra Judge]

Lot of times these people come on, they're kind of sleazy.

[Erika Jayne]

They can't even hit like.

[Tamra Judge]

I know they like, read.

[Erika Jayne]

They're like textbook. They read from a book, but they don't really. I liked how he spoke to her.

[Tamra Judge]

I did too. So Kyle thinks Mo's only fear was not being able to be on his own, not scared to be without her. It makes her feel like he didn't care about her enough. Kyle says she doesn't know what is worse, him not wanting to fight for her or him not knowing how to fight. Either way, he didn't. What do you. What's your take on that?

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, God, it so much. This is tonight.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, I have to give it to her. She's finally opening up better relationship with Mauricio. It humanizes her a little bit more because people are just. When you don't talk about something.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm so confused.

[Tamra Judge]

I know, Kyle.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm so confused.

[Tamra Judge]

What are you going to do?

[Erika Jayne]

You squirmed at the thought of looking at him last year and now all of a sudden you're eviscerated over him doing something that he hasn't. Nothing he hasn't done before. So here's the thing. I felt like I felt for her so much because I could feel the hurt through the tv. Where was this hurt coming from? I don't understand. From. From him. You wanted nothing to do with him, really. Last year you were like over him. You were getting tattoos and having a great time, but now you're upset because he said he could probably live alone. You wanted him to live alone for a long time.

[Tamra Judge]

But it just makes me think, what did he do to her to make her be so cold at that time?

[Erika Jayne]

That leads up to resentment. But I've never seen it go back to being so upset and loving that person so much. Like, I like she's going through a lot. You don't understand it all saying, like, you know, who knows what's everything that's going on in her life in this moment where she's talking and she's so hurt. But is it. And it did sound like he never loved you. Like the way he's talking to you. He's being very insensitive.

[Tamra Judge]

I think when you're with somebody for that many years, you go through a lot of stuff for sure. I think that just by her Conversation. I'm just speculating. She thought that they were going to separate and he was going to come begging for her to come back. That's what I, I think is happening. And she's saying she doesn't want to move on because she has the fear of him wanting her back. And I'm like, what is, would she take him back? Is. That's the question.

[Erika Jayne]

Why? Are you worried about what might happen? Yeah, if I had, if I was a betting woman, I'd say he's not coming back. And if he does and you're not married or moved on.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And if he doesn't wait like forever and he wants to do that, then he'll do it. And if you take him back, even if you are, if you want to take this man back when he comes back, nothing's stopping you. Not a marriage to someone else, nothing.

[Tamra Judge]

But here's the thing. I think they can be great at co parenting. I think they can be great friends moving forward. But they've been apart for a couple years now, and obviously he's moved on.

[Erika Jayne]

A couple years.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. If she, even if they did get back together, I don't feel like it would work in the long run. I think there'd be too much resentment. Too much. You've gone out, slept with this person, this person. It's hard to pick back up and go, okay, let's go on with our 30 year marriage.

[Erika Jayne]

People have done it. Yeah, people have gotten married. But I feel like times, three times.

[Tamra Judge]

There's a lot of resentment though. I think so. I think it'd be hard. I, I would love nothing more than them to get back together. I hate to see somebody, you know, for love, always, for that long to, you know, split up.

[Erika Jayne]

She loves him. She was.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

For him. I think, from what I see. But then people have said I was crazy about people before and I wasn't. But they're like, oh, I, oh, when you were dating that guy, you were like in love. I go, yeah, no, no. But for me, I think she, what I did understand her saying was I was proud of. I think she's mourning the family that she made with not having an example growing up. I think she's mourning. But, you know, I always say, like, a divorce can save your marriage and your family in a way with saying if you get divorced and you finally part the resentment there stops, the hurt has to stop because there's no accountability anymore once that happens. So if you do that in the right span of time before things get too bad, then Your relationship is still salvageable, but in a different way. It's not a marriage anymore, but it's still a companionship and it's still. There's love and there's so much. Right.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So I think that I don't know what's going on in Kyle's real life. Right. Because she's not always open about that. Maybe because she can't articulate it. We all can articulate our feelings. I don't hold that against her. I don't. Because I like her too much. I love the friend she is to you. I love the friend she is to Teddy. She really does care about her friends. So she's really.

[Tamra Judge]

She is a very sweet.

[Erika Jayne]

And by the way, Kyle, I don't know if you know this, but every guy I've ever dated was so hot for you. Like, people are hot for you. Like, guys think you're the hottest thing on the planet.

[Tamra Judge]

She is.

[Erika Jayne]

And they're like, kyle Richards. Richards. And I'm like, she's pretty. Yeah, she's pretty. But like, I'm not looking at like this just sex drop, like, drop dead sex kitten. That I think, I think she's a.

[Tamra Judge]

Beautiful, like, there's such a sweetness about her.

[Erika Jayne]

There's such a sweetness about her. And, and she looks like Demi Moore, which men used to go crazy for.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Yeah, she does. So speaking of another doctor, Dr. Cindy, a fertility specialist, met Bose in Keely. Now Bo said everybody comes to her. She got that money now, girl. She's like, I want my nails done with my hair done. I want a doctor. I want a sonogram. I wanna, you know, I want a pap smear. They're coming to my house. I'm not going anywhere. I know. You know what? She has him like, she doordashes them like, hey, instacart.

[Erika Jayne]

That is actually, I think of the future of medicine. Concierge.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Yes, yes. No, I love it. I, I, if I can get my nails, I probably could.

[Erika Jayne]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I do it on a much smaller scale. I make everybody come to me on a much. But I pay for it. You pay for it?

[Tamra Judge]

No, I do my hair. I do, I do get extensions somewhere else, but, like hair. I don't do my nails at home. I know Teddy would have people come do her nails at home and stuff like that. I just don't know anybody. But I would if I knew somebody. I'd definitely have them. So if anybody wants to reach out to me, say you do mobile nails, please.

[Erika Jayne]

I hate getting my nails done and sitting more than anything. I tell them, just hurry up. Just. Can I pay for both the people to do it at the same time? Just hurry up. I don't want to say.

[Tamra Judge]

Yep. So she's trying to find out if she can get pregnant.

[Erika Jayne]

There was four eggs. Sometimes at her age, there's zero.

[Tamra Judge]

So that's a good sign. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I was sitting in writing last night. I'm enjoying these talks.

[Tamra Judge]

I had a little chat with Paul on Instagram.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, you did?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. I said, oh, she's doing so great. And he said, she loves it.

[Erika Jayne]

I love it. I love it.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, you're a natural shit talker. Shit talker. It comes out so easy for real.

[Erika Jayne]

So. So I. It was very promising. It was a great appointment. I. I did like the doctor. I thought she was very knowledgeable. I liked the way she spoke. I'm very impressed. I don't think Bose wouldn't research who she had come in to look at. Her egg farm. Egg. What do they call it? An egg house. Egg house.

[Tamra Judge]

Her egg farm. You know what? I. I don't. The only thing I don't know that I would do is is knowing that she had so many issues being pregnant and lost a baby. I don't know that I would want to carry the baby knowing, you know, now that she's older and the issues she's had before.

[Erika Jayne]

I agree with you. I'm good. I never liked being pregnant, FYI.

[Tamra Judge]

I did, like once. And then after that I'm like, you did once. Now one of my pregnancies, I'm like, this is great. It's always fun to feel pregnant. The first, you know, like after the first three months before you get too big. And then afterwards I'm like, being pregnant and short, not fun.

[Erika Jayne]

Being pregnant and short is not fun because you don't know if you're just really big or like, I carried it in my ass or comfortable. It was my ass and my legs got big before my stomach. And then like from the minute of inception, I'm nauseous until a week after. So all I did was eat to, to try to like get rid of that feeling. And I just want to say, like.

[Tamra Judge]

No thank you to all the surrogates out there.

[Erika Jayne]

You are a godsend. You are a godsend for, for these people. Like, amazing. God bless you all day long.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. So then Jennifer host her caviar and caftan's lunch. Dorit thinks she missed so much sentences. Dorit is not, will not leave her alone. Dorit never Knows what Sutton she will get. But now she knows.

[Erika Jayne]

So she's basically knows exactly where to push her button.

[Tamra Judge]

She does.

[Erika Jayne]

Dorit wakes up that morning goes, I'm so excited. I get to make Sutton unravel today. This is going to be a good day. And I'm getting divorced. My life sucks and my house is a mess, but I can go fuck with Sutton today. That is she.

[Tamra Judge]

That's her new outlet. Fucking with.

[Erika Jayne]

That's her outlet. That is. I don't think she's doing coke. I think she went to the bathroom and got very excited that she just made Sutton unravel.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Because she started out by. She wasn't there two minutes and. And Sutton said, I'll have a warning. She goes, are you doing that because of what I said last night?

[Tamra Judge]

I know. My God, that was a poke of all.

[Erika Jayne]

Didn't take three seconds to get under that girl's. I'm telling you, she's gonna swallow her tongue.

[Tamra Judge]

I know, but you know, it doesn't matter whose side you're on or who wrote this line or whatever, but for her to call her Pour Eat was a lethal blow we don't often see in Beverly Hills.

[Erika Jayne]

Listen, let me tell you something. I want to hear it more than once. I didn't want her to say it once. I want her to say it every time she sees her. Why didn't she say listen? Like. Like listen, Poor Reed. I'm good. I just feel like having water and if I want to drink, I can afford it.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, it's the new Jesus jugs.

[Erika Jayne]

You know what, Corey? If I want to get the twice baked expensive potato, you have to get the leftover eggs on the floor that fell. I'm good, Corey. Like that's how I would talk to Dory. I know I would laugh in her face. But this one is going to like. She's gonna lose it.

[Tamra Judge]

She'll lose it. But I feel like, you know, it's all about her drinking and she's hypersensitive about it.

[Erika Jayne]

You're right, Tamara.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Erika Jayne]

She needs to get a grip on that because guess what, Sutton, because you drink doesn't mean you have less money in your bank account. Just remember that. And that is what your very you like. So whenever you feel like somebody's busting your balls about drinking, you can always turn around and say, I can afford to be a drunk if I want to.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that's my. Yeah. I think you got to lean into it if you're a drinker. Just lean into it.

[Erika Jayne]

In this world if you're in our world, whatever you are, you better lean into it. If you're a whore, if you're stupid, if you're poor, if you're rich, lean into it because they're gonna make you. You can't. It's like swimming. So for. For us to be not leaning into things, I always said it's like swimming in a riptide. You can't. You have to swim with it. You can't swim against it because you will drown.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, here's the thing. If you own shit, nobody can come back at you. Own it. People don't know what to do if.

[Erika Jayne]

You'Re just blatant pointed up again.

[Tamra Judge]

Nope. Nope. Well, I love Jennifer Tilly, and she was on Watch what happens live last night and just listened to her talk in that voice of hers. But she's like, ladies, Donna, sit down. We're gonna have some potatoes. I'm like, let's go. I'm not a caviar person. I could. I could eat the baked potato, but without the caviar. But Jennifer says she and her sisters were the only two Chinese Americans to be nominated for an award. Jennifer's dad is Chinese. I didn't know that.

[Erika Jayne]

And then who said Cher?

[Tamra Judge]

It was. It was Jennifer. Well, Erica put it out there. I mean, Erica, I would not want to play a game of trivial pursuit with her. Because, Eric, when it comes to that, smart. She knows a lot of. And she's like. She's Armenian from the valley.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

And then Kathy Hilton pokes around and goes, you have a real problem with the valley. And I'm like, where did that come from?

[Erika Jayne]

No, I don't think it was a problem. She said, you're obsessed with the valley.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you like us or issue or something?

[Erika Jayne]

You like really like the valley. You bring it up all the time. Like anything Kathy says or does is entertaining to me. So it's probably not going to make sense when it comes out of her mouth, but we're good.

[Tamra Judge]

We're good. We're good.

[Erika Jayne]

So she has diplomatic immunity.

[Tamra Judge]

She does.

[Erika Jayne]

It's going to land. She could say to stupid as, uhhuh. You could say the worst thing. Or she could say nothing. And it's going to land because it's cat Kathy.

[Tamra Judge]

Kathy Hilton.

[Erika Jayne]

Who knew?

[Tamra Judge]

I know, right? Sutton tells Dorit that her comment about having alcohol in her drink was a jab after what happened last year with Dorit.

[Erika Jayne]

And it was.

[Tamra Judge]

It was. Sutton has a drinking problem. Sutton says Dorit needs to pick on someone else whose wallet fits. Erica Says Sutton if she thinks she is bigger than dorit. Sutton says, I think my wallet is. Sutton says she should have called dorit an effing instead of just a Dorit asked if anyone. You got her there? I got her there. Yeah. So. And then dorit asked if anybody has a mirror to put in front of Sutton. Do you think that Sutton went too low with his wallet comment?

[Erika Jayne]

No. She made a fool out of herself. Yeah, she made a fool out of herself. She didn't go too low. I would have laughed at that. She could have said these girls that. I feel like I just would say so many different things. Yeah. Put a little thing in their ear. Let me talk.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. I mean, Sutton flexing her wealth and Dorit remaining unbothered. Beverly hills is giving us some classic housewife fights. Like, let's fight about something stupid, girls. Let's not fight about, you know, something about your kids or something like that. So I don't know. I, I, I was there for it. I thought it was a. I thought it was great.

[Erika Jayne]

Listen, I thought it was great. I, I just feel a very big breakdown coming from Sutton. And if I was her friend, I would say, why don't you? You've said everything you wanted to say. Get all the poison out and you do makeup. But that's not gonna happen.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I think from Andy's comment on watch what happens live last night, he made some comment where Jennifer Tilly said, like, sutton is just so loved by everybody. And he goes, well, let's wait something like, let's wait to the end of the season. So I think Sutton. Something's going to go down with Sutton for sure.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm telling you what's going to happen. Dorit's going to win. She's going to win. I don't care about her wallet. Her wallet cannot save her from this. And that's the problem. And that's the big problem.

[Tamra Judge]

So Kyle asked what Sutton and dorit need from each other. Sutton says dorit has nothing to give her. Sutton thinks they have. They need space. Kyle and Dorit switch seats. Faye says she drinks as much as Sutton. See, that's owning it. That is owning it.

[Erika Jayne]

Faye.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

And Faye, take little something under your wing, sis. Yeah, jump in. She needs somebody with a little bit of, you know, swag to her. She needs somebody wise who's been through the mill. Faye, you need to sit with your friend.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. But dorit does realize that Sutton was on fire and she tried to bring Kyle into it. She's like, if I'm Going down for this. So are you. So she. She tried. Dorit really did try to bring her in, but dorit, I don't like that. I know. I don't need, like, tag team. I don't like tag teaming. Dorit walks away from the table, and Kyle follows. Kyle says sutton needs to cool down. Kyle now knows why Sutton is triggered by the drinking comment. After learning more in August, Dorit says when she balances her meds, she can come see me. Dorit is just on fire.

[Erika Jayne]

But let me say one thing before we move too far from this. It was very telling to me that only one person got up and chased dorit out. But last week at the party, they all went running after Sutton to coddle her.

[Tamra Judge]

Mm. Mm.

[Erika Jayne]

Sutton is not. I mean, dory is not loved here. No, I don't mean that they love Sutton so much. It just means that they don't like dorit that much.

[Tamra Judge]

I agree. And I feel like Sutton's doing really kind of doing the most this season. And in the. Earlier in the season, like, nobody was really sticking up for Kyle. Erica started to. But it was. Yeah, they didn't even really like dorit, but they weren't even, like, you know, sticking up for Kyle. Like, okay, let's go. Let her, like, pull the show right now. And I think, honestly, I'm like, I don't think she's that light.

[Erika Jayne]

No one cared that she left. Nobody is. No. Even Bose. Bose took a seat.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

I have to say, if Bose thinks that she's not going to sit on it. She's a businesswoman. She's not going to sit on a sinking ship. She don't know where this is going yet. She's done her part. She made her bones when she came in. She went after Kyle. She stood by Dory. But now her not getting up and checking on her friend tells me she's kind of like. She's like, I got my own line. I got my own position now. Dory, you're a little bit on your own. I'm sorry. That's the way I see it. Am I wrong?

[Tamra Judge]

Tamara, I don't think you're wrong at all.

[Erika Jayne]

I have four eggs. I got a line. I'm good.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm good. I'm good. Just. I'm gonna sit back on this one.

[Erika Jayne]

I've just been around a long time. It's just.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. It's like you can see through all of it. The girls see the news about Mauricio kissing a woman at the airport.

[Erika Jayne]

What do they really think he's gonna be doing.

[Tamra Judge]

I know Kyle had no idea this was coming and doesn't know this woman. Kyle says he doesn't get pictures taken on purpose. I don't know. I know. Erica tells her not to be naive. Sutton thinks Mauricio planted these photos to get back at Kyle for the photos of Morgan picking her up at the airport.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay, I'm confused. Do you're gonna have to talk me through this one.

[Tamra Judge]

Do you think they were stage paparazzi pictures?

[Erika Jayne]

I do not.

[Tamra Judge]

You do not. Now they're in Greece. Who took the picture? Do you think it was a fan that took the picture?

[Erika Jayne]

I think it was a fan. I understand that Sutton has been to the airport many times, and. And Jennifer Aniston was there, and there was no paparazzi. Okay. But people take more pictures of us sometimes than a listers, I think.

[Tamra Judge]

Like, so what I will say is, Eddie and I went to Greece years ago. I don't even know if we were married yet. I can't even remember. It's been so long. And there were paparazzi all over the beach. There was paparazzi and Mykonos walking down those little alleyways. I mean, to the point where I had to walk up to the guy because he wouldn't leave us. I'm like, what do you want? I'll give you what you want if you just leave us alone.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't think it was a professional paparazzi. It looked like somebody with their iPhone, like, taking it like this.

[Tamra Judge]

That's what I'm thinking, too. It was probably somebody that was on the plane. Yeah, on the plane with them, saw it and took a picture. I don't think it was a paparazzi.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't think it was.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know. I don't know. But we have a few fan thoughts. Sutton, tell me.

[Erika Jayne]

Yes, I want to know.

[Tamra Judge]

Sutton goes below the belt, but Jarit doesn't know how to listen and take accountability.

[Erika Jayne]

That's true.

[Tamra Judge]

A Sutton had me in her corner until the pocketbook comment. And then people are thinking they're not on. They're on Durate's side. They're thinking that Sutton is pretty insufferable.

[Erika Jayne]

I know. Yeah. No, yeah. I mean, I get it.

[Tamra Judge]

It wasn't. It wasn't a good episode for Sutton.

[Erika Jayne]

And it's not going to get better for her because Dorit's got her. I've seen it on my show. Somebody can get under your skin, and you lose it. You lose your job, you lose your mind. You lose it. And I see that happening here because she's got her good.

[Tamra Judge]

She does.

[Erika Jayne]

I have one more question about this, because this was great. Do you think that Dori showed up without a caftan on purpose?

[Tamra Judge]

100%.

[Erika Jayne]

That fucking girl has her outfits picked out a year before year four.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, absolutely.

[Erika Jayne]

She knew. She knew exactly. It was a caftan party. Maybe nobody talks after they're filming, but that did not skip her. It was a caftan party.

[Tamra Judge]

She's a fashion girl. She looks at it.

[Erika Jayne]

She lives in Milan. She. She. Fashion is her. Her life.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Just fucking admit it, Dory. I don't like that you lie.

[Tamra Judge]

I'd rather be in Dior. And I'm like, okay, but you should.

[Erika Jayne]

Have said, yeah, no, I didn't want to wear it. See, that pisses me off. Just say it.

[Tamra Judge]

Just say it.

[Erika Jayne]

And then you make me have to think when I don't want to.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, yeah. So it was quite clear she didn't wear one. She didn't want to wear one. I mean, I think it's very hard to rock a caftan, but I think that Erika Jane did it. I think when you're, like, tall and thin like that, it just lays on your body like.

[Erika Jayne]

I had the captain.

[Tamra Judge]

I am not. No, not at all.

[Erika Jayne]

Under. Under five foot six. You just shouldn't. Five, five. I'm five three, so I'm gonna.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I'm five, three and a half. So flowy things aren't always good.

[Erika Jayne]

I get lost in it. I get lost Sometimes there is a need for it.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. Too much fabric. Not good. Not good.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm more.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm better with simple stuff where I just.

[Erika Jayne]

She knew she wouldn't look at Dorit. Knew she wouldn't look good in it. She. She wouldn't wear something that wasn't going to look good on her if she was getting paid to do it.

[Tamra Judge]

No, no. But. Okay, that is it for today. And you are off to LA to film the reunion Traders for Traders. So I do know when we filmed it, they held off on showing us, like, the last half of the episode. Are they doing that to you or you've seen them all?

[Erika Jayne]

No, we haven't seen anything. We only get it when it comes out.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, okay.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah. Tonight they're supposed to give it to us to watch and it's only, like, going to be able to watch it for, like, two hours and then it expires.

[Tamra Judge]

We did that too. You had two hours. And the problem was is that we met at the hotel, all of us. We met at the bar. We ate, we had drinks, then we went back to one person's hotel room. I think it was Pilot Pete's. And we had like a short amount of time to watch it.

[Erika Jayne]

I upgraded my room so everyone could fit in by me. I'm not sitting there.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, that's good. Good idea.

[Erika Jayne]

I got a suite. Yeah?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Well, have fun. I'm excited to see what you wear.

[Erika Jayne]

You want to see it?

[Tamra Judge]

No, I want to wait. I don't want to be. I want to. I don't want to be. I want to be surprised. I want to. I love seeing.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm not saying it's not over there.

[Tamra Judge]

Have fun.

[Erika Jayne]

Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Maria Fernanda Diaz]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Giselle Bryant]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Giselle Bryant]

Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?

[Tamra Judge]

How?

[Erika Jayne]

Go slower.

[Giselle Bryant]

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