Say Less, Do Less (Q&A)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Say Less, Do Less (Q&A)
Date: March 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this special Q&A episode of Two Ts In A Pod, Tamra Judge and guest co-host Dolores Catania dive into fan-submitted questions about their Housewives experiences, regrets, friendships, behind-the-scenes insights, and personal lives. The episode is marked by authentic reflection, playful banter, and unfiltered responses on Housewives culture and personal growth. The latter half features a deep dive into peptides and anti-aging medicine with expert Kristen Heninian, who brings science and practical advice to trending wellness topics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Biggest Regrets from Housewives Tenure

[03:19–07:46]

• Dolores Catania’s regret: Not showing more of her real life on camera, especially her family relationships.
  • “There was so much of my life and so much about me, talks with my dad that you didn’t get to really get to ever really know me.” (Dolores, 04:55)
• Tamra’s regret: Being “too extra” for the sake of good TV, at the expense of authenticity.
  • “Maybe being a little bit more extra to make good TV and not really showing truly who I am… those days are over… I just want to be truly more who I am.” (Tamra, 06:07–06:23)
• Processing pressure: Tamra shares how getting fired, then returning to Housewives, made her feel she needed to “prove something”—but now prioritizes being herself over entertaining.
  • “Trust the process. Say less, do less.” (Tamra, 07:03)

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2. Friendships and Behind-the-Scenes Moments

[07:49–08:38]

• Dolores on Margaret Josephs: Still close despite busy lives; Dolores wants to hear about Margaret’s trip to Argentina and a local miracle involving a bleeding host in a church.
  • “She just took an amazing trip… I want to hear all about it.” (Dolores, 08:11)
• Both express affection for Margaret’s humor and presence.

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3. The “GOAT” Housewife Question

[08:38–09:54]

• Tamra & Dolores agree: Every city and cast has its own ‘standout’ or “core,” but being a Housewife at all is GOAT status.
  • “I don’t give a fuck how anybody feels. We’re all goats.” (Dolores, 09:29)
  • “Anybody that puts their life out there on national TV is a goat in my mind.” (Tamra, 09:54)

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4. Business on Reality TV — Risks & Rewards

[10:12–11:36]

• Vena (Tamra’s brand): Tamra’s not pushing for airtime given its real-world success—“if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.” Featuring businesses on the show opens you up to public attacks, fake reviews, and backlash.
  • “As soon as you put your business on there…we would get nasty reviews from people that have never stepped foot in the business.” (Tamra, 11:17)
• Dolores agrees: Sometimes it’s best to keep certain things off TV for protection.

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5. Favorite Fragrances

[11:36–13:40]

• Dolores: Now collects perfumes worldwide thanks to Paul, especially Creed and Le Labo.
• Tamra: Leans toward Joe Malone; also loves Replica’s “Never Ending Summer.”
• Notable discussions on fragrance as a memory trigger and as a personal signature.

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6. Miami Housewives Casting & Franchises Wishlist

[16:57–19:36]

• Miami’s status: In limbo, no casting decisions yet, not officially ‘on pause’ but silent since filming.
  • “If they’re not filming, they’re on pause.” (Dolores, 17:23)
• Dubai vs. Dallas Reboot: Both would watch either; Dolores prefers Dubai for its larger-than-life characters.
• New city ideas: Nashville/Franklin (Tennessee), Chicago, Las Vegas.

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7. Personal Updates & Fun Questions

[19:36–21:59]

• Dolores: Helping plan her son Frankie’s wedding. No wedding plans for herself yet.
• Traitors Cast: Contestants often wait for the show to air to find out who wins—unless someone leaks it.
• Tamra’s FaceApp use: She occasionally uses FaceApp for sponsor posts or to “freshen up,” appreciating it’s not as extreme as FaceTune.

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8. Playing Around with Housewife Crossovers

[21:35–22:09]

• Tamra would love for Dolores to join OC as her friend—and party invitations are floated.

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Peptide & Longevity Deep Dive

With Kristen Heninian (Nurse Practitioner, Peptide Expert)
[22:09–43:50]

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9. Peptides: Science & Safety

[23:38–32:13]

• Peptides are safe—if sourced and prescribed properly; “wild west” dangers of self-prescribing or using research-only versions.
  • “Yes, they are safe when they’re from a licensed provider… based upon your needs, your labs, where you are in your journey.” (Kristen, 23:59)
• Risks of over-signaling growth pathways (e.g. cancer risk) when used improperly.
• Dolores credits Kristen’s expertise as vital—emphasizing Kristen’s worldwide training and credibility.

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10. Evolution of Anti-Aging Medicine

[26:02–29:10]

• Traditional HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) still forms the backbone; peptides and supplements are adjuncts, not replacements, especially for women (bone health, cognitive benefit).
• Some peptides (like humanin) naturally decline with age and supplementation can be beneficial if tailored.
• Energy, focus, and muscle tone can improve with proper peptide programs.

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11. Risks of Self-Experimentation & The Importance of Oversight

[29:10–32:52]

• Dolores admits to “going rogue” with unsupervised supplements in the past—Kristen warns against it based on patient-specific needs and genetic factors.

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12. GLP-1s, Metformin, and New Trends (Retatrutide)

[33:41–39:10]

• GLP-1 and GIP peptides: Used for metabolic and anti-inflammatory benefit; Kristen doses her patients cyclically (not lifelong).
• On Metformin: Kristen uses it herself for anti-aging and cancer-protection, but doses must be tailored to the individual.
  • “The cancer protection alone is just one of the reasons I probably will never get off of it.” (Kristen, 35:51)
• Discussion of new weight loss drugs (Retatrutide) — not widely available yet, promising for the morbidly obese.

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13. Best Approaches for Menopause & Healthy Aging

[39:10–42:47]

• Low-dose Oxandrolone (Anavar): A game-changer for postmenopausal women—boosts muscle and bone mineral density with minimal side effects when overseen properly.
  • “I will take any day of the week a little blip in my liver enzymes and put on muscle mass… before you’d ever put me on bisphosphonate.” (Kristen, 40:33)
• Muscle is key for longevity. Estrogen replacement (preferably with a patch) should not be overlooked for women; consistency matters.

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14. Kristen’s Closing Wisdom

[43:03–43:50]

• Peptides are “life changing” if done right, with medical supervision.
  • “I just would encourage people to make sure that they’re doing them under the guidance of somebody… so they can feel their best.” (Kristen, 43:23)
• Find Kristen on Instagram at “Kristen Heninian NP.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I regret that there were parts of my life that you didn’t see."
  (Dolores Catania, 04:21)

• "Sometimes I feel like I just look like an asshole and I just want to be truly more who I am."
  (Tamra Judge, 06:20)

• "I don’t give a fuck how anybody feels. We’re all goats."
  (Dolores Catania, 09:29)

• "Anybody that puts their life out there on national TV is a goat in my mind."
  (Tamra Judge, 09:54)

• "Smell is your biggest reference to a memory. You know that?"
  (Dolores Catania, 13:40)

• "There should always be a method to the madness… there needs to be a rationale."
  (Kristen Heninian, 32:24)

• "Muscle is truly your currency for longevity. There’s just nothing else that will replace it."
  (Kristen Heninian, 42:44)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Biggest Regrets (03:19–07:46)
• Margaret Friendship Update (07:49–08:38)
• GOAT Housewife Debate (08:38–09:54)
• Behind-the-Scenes/Business on TV Risks (10:12–11:36)
• Favorite Fragrances (11:36–13:40)
• Miami/Dallas/Dubai Franchise Talks (16:57–19:36)
• FaceApp & Housewife Crossovers (21:35–22:09)
• Peptides & Anti-aging Deep Dive (22:09–43:50)
• Best Practices in Aging & Wellness (39:10–42:47)

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Final Thoughts

This fan-driven episode offers revealing answers on the realities behind the Housewives brand and the personal journeys of its stars. Tamra and Dolores are candid about authenticity, vulnerability, and the complexity of putting real life on TV. The expert segment with Kristen Heninian transcends reality TV chatter, delivering actionable wellness advice with both caution and encouragement.

Useful for listeners curious about Housewives “realness,” franchise evolution, and wellness trends.

Transcript

[Dolores Catania]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Kristen Heninian]

In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

But here's the Bachelor. Fans hated him.

[Kristen Heninian]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Stephanie Young]

That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one night stand would end in a courtroom.

[Kristen Heninian]

The media is here. This case has gone viral.

[Wells Adams]

The dating contract.

[Kristen Heninian]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Dolores Catania]

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Stephanie Young]

I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wells Adams]

Hey, this is Wells Adams with By Order of the Faithfuls podcast alongside my fellow faithfuls and co hosts Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching this season of the Traitors. And we've been inside that castle, so we have insight. Unlike many others, this season of the Traitors may be the best we've ever seen. Listen to By Order of the faithfuls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Dolores Catania]

You have to work on it every day.

[Host of Keep It Positive Sweetie Podcast]

Keep it positive. Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire fire, and tell the truth out loud.

[Dolores Catania]

I have several conversations with God and I know why it took 20 years

[Host of Keep It Positive Sweetie Podcast]

to hear this and more. Listen to keep it positive, sweetie, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Tamara Judge]

Two TE's in a pod with Teddy

[Host of Keep It Positive Sweetie Podcast]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Dolores Catania]

Foreign.

[Tamara Judge]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to another EP special episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself and Dolores. We have a Q and a today. Now, all these questions are from fans from social media, so we're going to get right into it and I'm going to start. Dolores, do you have a regret? Your biggest regret from Housewives?

[Dolores Catania]

You know, it's funny, I was just thinking about this yesterday. It's so weird. My psyche is up right now. Like, I think about things and then they. Like, they come up. So this is my biggest regret. I received the key to the city of Paterson from the mayor. It was such a beautiful ceremony. My family was there. I had friends there. It was just amazing. It was in the mayor's office, and it was such a proud moment for me. And they cut it out. They cut it out. They never showed it. And not that I ever brag about.

[Tamara Judge]

So is your regret the editor?

[Dolores Catania]

My regret? I don't have any regrets of anything I did or didn't do. I regret that there were parts of my life that you didn't see. Relationships with my family, with my brother and sisters, who I speak to every single day. Yeah, um, you know, there were some arguments over care for my mom and things like that, and they never showed that. But that's a real thing in this world. There was so much of my life and so much about me, talks with my dad that you didn't get to really get to ever really know me.

[Tamara Judge]

And I kind of makes you feel like, God, am I boring? Is that why they don't show up? Because last year Eddie was cut from a lot of stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

No, it's not because I'm boring at all. No.

[Tamara Judge]

But do you feel that way?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I don't feel that way at all. As a matter of fact, the reason I didn't fight for it was the same reason that you said, like, oh, I wish they'd forget my package at the end of the reunion. Because also a part of it was, if you're going to keep my family out of it, then I'm protecting them by not fighting for them to be on it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, I would say my biggest regret on my, you know, Just being on Housewives in the past is maybe doing too much. Maybe not maybe for sure. Maybe being a little bit more extra to make good TV and not really showing like my who truly who I am. And that to me, like, I do a hundred percent in every single job I've done. I don't care if it's freaking Burger King. My first job, I worked my ass off to get to two years to get to that drive through window. Like, I do what it takes to be good. If it's the podcast or if it's Vina or whatever it is. And so sometimes I feel like I do too much and that gets lost in who truly who I am. So those days are over. Those days are over. Because sometimes I feel like I just look like an asshole and I just want to be truly more who I am.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know, it's funny because when people meet you outside of the screen, right, and they meet you, they're like, wow, Tamara was really nice. Yeah. So people don't know that side of you. They just don't. And that's the truth.

[Tamara Judge]

I just feel like sometimes like, oh, you're doing housewives, you know, you have to be very transparent. And I think it's been since I come back to the show, I felt like I had something to prove. And, you know, you want to out everything. You want to do all these things where I would never do that in real life ever. So now I'm learning, like, say less, do less, trust the process.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I remember on Watch what Happens Live, Andy said to you, you're like, well, if I don't do, if I'm not nasty or if I don't do this, then I'm not a good housewife. He goes, that's not true.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's kind of how I felt. I felt like, I think I felt pressure from me getting fired in the show, you know, obviously not doing that great.

[Dolores Catania]

Wow.

[Tamara Judge]

As well.

[Dolores Catania]

And.

[Tamara Judge]

And then me coming back and I felt like I had a point to prove. Like if the show didn't get better or wasn't more entertaining, then it would be on me.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, yeah, you took that on yourself, though.

[Tamara Judge]

I. 100%, 100%. And I think that I finally have learned, like, I don't have to do that. I just want people to see me for who I truly am and not somebody trying to make maybe good tv.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Well, there you go.

[Tamara Judge]

Dolores, are you still close with Margaret?

[Dolores Catania]

Actually, yes, of course. I haven't spoke to her because she's in Argentina. She just took an amazing trip. I'm gonna. I would like to call her and talk to her about it. I. I had seen on Instagram, there's. There was a church right in the vicinity of where she was, where they had like a. A miracle actually happen.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Dolores Catania]

It was. The host had started to bleed. The host that the priest gives out, and it's still there. And it's like a documented miracle. So she. I know she went there. I want to hear all about it.

[Tamara Judge]

But I love Margaret.

[Dolores Catania]

Margaret's great. She's funny. She's funny. She's really funny.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think I've talked to her for a couple months. She seems to be very busy.

[Dolores Catania]

She's so busy, I don't get to see her. I. We check in with each other. And of course, you know, I love Margaret.

[Tamara Judge]

Who do you think the goat housewife is? Not from your city.

[Dolores Catania]

From your city. Listen, Tamara, I think each city has their own goat.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I think that every housewife has their, you know, their core person on that cast. Like it's Kyle for Beverly Hills. But do I think she does the most? No, I just think she's like the face of the show. I think, you know, in Jersey, it was always Theresa, Teresa, of course, you know, and it's just different. I don't know if it's considered a goat greatest of all time, but I would just say there's a. There is a standout person. I'm going to tell you, I feel

[Dolores Catania]

that every housewife has their own niche.

[Tamara Judge]

Every housewife, a hundred percent, has their

[Dolores Catania]

own reason for being a goat because it's not easy to do. A lot of people want it and they don't get to do it. And we're vulnerable. And, you know, there's always a risk that something can happen in our life at any given time that's going to be tragic and public. Yeah. So I'm gonna say I don't give a fuck how anybody feels. We're all goats.

[Kristen Heninian]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, anybody that puts their life out there on national TV is a. Is a goat in my mind. Because a lot of people can't do it. It's not easy.

[Dolores Catania]

A lot of people wanna do it. They, like, literally try to pay to get on and fight and beg, borrow and steal. And they get a scene and they fall flat on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Somebody asked, will Vena ever get airtime on Orange County? I'm hoping to see Vena event this season. I hope so. I hope so. We've had little things, like me and Emily had the Seltzers. One day in the courtyard, I think it aired. I can't remember. Yeah, I mean I had a Vena event and it was cut years ago. So I don't know. The good thing is, is that Vena does amazing.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what I'm saying. Like if it's not broke, don't fix it.

[Tamara Judge]

So to me, it's never been something I wanted to push because it is so successful. I don't want anything to hurt it, which I don't. I don't think it.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, look at what happened to Angel.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, there's always fear.

[Dolores Catania]

You can have one bad day. Yeah, you can have one bad day. And then there's the people that want to come after you that don't like you. Like, if Veena isn't in their face, they don't think to go and knock it. Right, right, right. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Dolores Catania]

It's like just like my family and key to the city and all those things. If it's not on, it's. Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Here's the thing with viewers, and I mean not all viewers, but as soon as you put your business on there, like we put cut fitness on there, we would get nasty reviews from people that have never stepped foot in the business. So it's a double edged sword, if that makes sense. Favorite fragrance you like to wear?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, when I first. I'll just. Quick story. When I first met Paul, I had Flower Bomb. I had a half a bottle.

[Tamara Judge]

I did too. I did too.

[Dolores Catania]

I had a half a bottle to my name. One bottle of perfume. Now I have bottles of perfume from all over the world.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh my goodness.

[Dolores Catania]

Some of the most of them I can't even.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I have. Because of him, because of him.

[Dolores Catania]

All over the world. From Saudi Arabia, France. Wow, Germany. And Paul's known for his good smell. It's one of the sexiest things about him. When I had met him, he was always well dressed, always put together, not a hair out of place. And he smells amazing. And because he's such a perfume cologne guy, I have, I wear Creed le Labo. Those are my things. Those are the things I could say. The other ones I, I can't pronounce.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah,

[Dolores Catania]

she's amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

I've always leaned towards Joe Malone. Like all the fragrances, like they just have so many. My daughter Sophia is very into perfume.

[Dolores Catania]

She is.

[Tamara Judge]

She can tell you what notes are in them and she's.

[Dolores Catania]

What's a.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I guess like whatever's in it. Like tobacco or.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, got it. Vanilla tobacco.

[Tamara Judge]

All these things. So she turned me on recently, she got me Replica and it's Never Ending Summer by Mason Marella. That sound right?

[Dolores Catania]

Sounds good to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Smells so good. So many different scents. It's not one of the cheaper ones. It is definitely up there in price. But that one, I've been wearing that one lately.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that's a good one. And Veronica Bay, you know, they, it's, she's inspired by the south of France, so everything is fresh.

[Tamara Judge]

And there's so many amazing ones out there you can spend. Like Sophia, she just can sit there, stand there at the mall and just smell them all and tell you what notes are in them. I mean, it's crazy.

[Dolores Catania]

Smell is your biggest reference to a memory. You know that?

[Tamara Judge]

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[Kristen Heninian]

2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The Internet turned on him.

[Wells Adams]

If I could press a button and

[Kristen Heninian]

rewind it all, I would.

[Stephanie Young]

But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal.

[Kristen Heninian]

The media is here. This case has gone viral.

[Wells Adams]

The dating contract.

[Tamara Judge]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it.

[Dolores Catania]

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Stephanie Young]

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped this season, an epic battle of he said, she said and the search for accountability in a sea of lies.

[Tamara Judge]

I have done nothing except get pregnant by the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wells Adams]

Hey, this is Wells Adams with By Order of the Faithfuls podcast alongside my fellow faithfuls and co hosts Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching this season of the Traders and we've been Inside that castle. So we have insight. Unlike many others, this season of the Traders may be the best we've ever seen. Listen to by order the faithfuls on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow by order the Faithfuls and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

[Kristen Heninian]

An ambitious, well intentioned, ferocious and wealthy

[Dolores Catania]

mother looks like in the black community

[Host of Keep It Positive Sweetie Podcast]

this woman's history month. The podcast Keep It Positive Sweetie celebrates the power of women, choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy.

[Dolores Catania]

Love.

[Host of Keep It Positive Sweetie Podcast]

It's not a destination.

[Dolores Catania]

You have to work on it every day. Keep.

[Host of Keep It Positive Sweetie Podcast]

Keep It Positive Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire, and tell the truth out loud.

[Dolores Catania]

I have several conversations with God and I know why it took 20 years

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to hear this and more. Listen to Keep It Positive sweetie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dolores Catania]

Foreign.

[Tamara Judge]

Do either of you have an update on the Miami ladies regarding their show? Andy did say it's coming back, but they're still casting. There has been a long extended time since they filmed last. It's been over a year. The reunion was months.

[Dolores Catania]

I did not know that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. So they kind of. They're not on pause, but they are definitely looking into the show.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, if they're not filming, they're on pause.

[Tamara Judge]

True, true. So I know I talked to Marisol once in a while and she speak to Marisol. I have no idea going on.

[Dolores Catania]

Gertie. Lisa, we.

[Tamara Judge]

I just saw like, no casting decisions have been made. I don't know that anybody's been let go yet. Nothing. It's been very, very quiet.

[Dolores Catania]

Did you see Adriana got like some type of award on one of the Instagram things? I don't know if it's a formal

[Tamara Judge]

award, like about the Mortian, about the Haitian mortician. Mortician, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Who do you predict moves on first, Kyle or Amanda?

[Dolores Catania]

Amanda. She's already been little touchy feely with some guy touching his fingers on Instagram. That's instant official girl. Yeah, that's what I call it. Official. I love that.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you rather see Dallas or Dubai Housewives rebooted?

[Dolores Catania]

Dubai. I mean, Chanel Ian is the. She's a show in herself. I'm sorry, but she's hysterical.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm wondering if Dubai is just too hard to film because of the rules and laws and all that. And expensive. Expensive. I would like to see both of them rebooted because that just gives us more to talk about on the podcast. I think that Dallas could be good. I think. I don't know if it was a casting situation or what, but I'd like to see them both come back.

[Dolores Catania]

Karen Duber, Stephanie Holman. They were those. Let me tell you, they were funny. They were.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, the other question is, is what franchise or city of housewives would you like to see? And I think Tennessee. I think there's been a lot of people that have moved to Tennessee that are Nashville.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. And Nashville. What is the other area over there in Tennessee where everyone's moving? I can't. Franklin, sound it. Franklin. I think that there's a lot of great talent out there that could be on one of these shows. So I think that Chicago would be great. Las Vegas would be fun. I'm curious to see. Okay, Dolores, somebody wants to know if there are any wedding planning updates.

[Dolores Catania]

I am actually meeting with a wedding planner today for Frankie's wedding here for his.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's what it says.

[Dolores Catania]

I know you're focusing on focusing on Frankie's wedding. And for me, I'd like to get married. I told you, I have a New Year's Eve party coming up for all of us. If that. And it wouldn't be, I don't know, next year. I don't know. I don't know. It's so hard.

[Tamara Judge]

Whole year to plan it. Okay, do traitors cast find out who won after it wraps or do they have to wait to watch it like the rest of us?

[Dolores Catania]

They have to wait to watch. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Unless somebody leaks to somebody and somebody.

[Dolores Catania]

I think they probably maybe tell each other. Doesn't matter. It's that excitement whether you know who wins or not or think you're sure who wins. You still have that excitement at the end. And this is so talked about. Like, it's crazy because she was like.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, put your hands down, Maura. Put your hands down. She had them like this for, like, it felt like 10 minutes. Put your hands down and punch him.

[Dolores Catania]

Just kidding.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody asked Tam, do you always use Face App now? You look gorgeous. I honestly can't tell anymore.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, notice no one's asking me that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I have. I have been promoting Face Face App on my social media.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I saw that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. It's one of my partners in social media. And I do love Face App. I don't always use it, but it's always great for those vi. Like, I don't know if people know this, but it has A video editor too. So if you're doing a video and you want to send it off like, you know, happy birthday somebody, and you're like, oh, I don't look right. You can put your video in there and hit like, you know, Hollywood too, or whatever you want and it will freshen you up, brighten you up, make it look better. Sometimes with my sponsor posts I want to do that because I just feel like I just don't want to look pretty right now. And that really helps.

[Dolores Catania]

It really does help.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, it doesn't change you to the point where it's like face tune where you're blurry. I as long as you stay within your limits. But sometimes I use it, sometimes I don't. But thank you for the compliment. Would Dolores, come on O.C. as your friend, I would love that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, I would love that.

[Tamara Judge]

I would love it for you to come on as a housewife.

[Dolores Catania]

Just bring me on. Are you gonna have a party this year and have me come in or

[Tamara Judge]

maybe that's a good idea.

[Dolores Catania]

Bring me there, girl. Yeah, I would love it.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, that is our last question but like we said, we have crazy Kristen who is coming on next. She's an expert on peptides. She's somebody that Dolores has been working with for quite a while now. Paulie's been using them. I might need to get her con, definitely get her contact information and see what I need to be on. Okay, Dolores, I have a question that a lot of people are wondering and I have a lot of interest in this as well. What peptides do you take?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I'm going to let my very dear friend Kristen Heninian, who I get my peptides from, who is in a longevity expert. Peptide expert. She's a nurse practitioner, double board certified. Let's bring her on. Who can explain it better than I can. She's like a sister to me, but she's a genius.

[Tamara Judge]

So I have a lot of questions

[Dolores Catania]

for her I want you to answer. I'm going to even stay out of it because I know you have a lot of questions and I can always talk to her. So go for it.

[Tamara Judge]

First we want to hear about what peptides you take.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I take huuminin, which is my favorite. The GLP1 I think is a peptide. I'm just gonna let Kristin give you my rundown because she knows better than me. I just take what she tells me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, welcome, Kristen.

[Dolores Catania]

Here's the face to the person I'm always bragging about.

[Tamara Judge]

Dolores talks about the peptides and you all the Time. And I mean, so nice that you're here, but there's like so many, so much confusion when it comes around peptides. Are they safe?

[Kristen Heninian]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

They cause cancer. Is there enough information out there yet?

[Kristen Heninian]

Like tell us all so, so great questions. What are they safe? That's contextual. Yes, they are safe when they're from a licensed provider that is using a 503, a pharmacy and having that peptide compounded for you based upon your needs, your labs, where you are in your journey. There are a lot of self prescribers out there using, excuse me, research, use only peptides. And that's very concerning because there are, in a nutshell, there are cancer concerns that we have to think about. Right. Because peptides are signaling and we don't want to over signal what we call the MTOR pathway, which is like the motherboard of our mitochondria. And it kind of tells things. Turn on, turn off, recycle, repair. And I think when people are doing things blindly, which we see a lot of people doing today, that's where we have those concerns.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, social media, especially Instagram, has a ton of people who are selling them and they're not doctors.

[Kristen Heninian]

It's terrifying.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it's like the wild, wild west right now.

[Dolores Catania]

I try to say that people really, I do a lot of things, I advocate for a lot of this, but I'm getting it from a licensed practitioner, somebody who I know, I followed you not because you're like my best friend, my sister, but because I've seen you travel all over the world. You're formally trained, you've trained all over the world and you've done it yourself. You trusted enough to give it to yourself and your husband and the people that you love. So I'm here for that. And you have more letters past your name than I can count. So I mean, you are absolutely qualified. Why don't you just. Before we get into this, I want everyone to know that we're bringing you here because you are a credible form of information and let them know you are double board certified. Let them know everything that you're doing. Before we get into this, I want

[Kristen Heninian]

to give that caveat, and that's the biggest issue too is in medicine, we're always learning, right? It's never static. We don't stop. So yes, my personal quest came out of going through menopause, whatever, seven years ago, struggling with this aging process and what was happening to my body and not having any control over it. So that obviously fed that fire because I was trained on a Traditional. I mean, now I call it the pharmaceutical model of medicine. I was trained in a traditional conventional medical program that didn't address these things. Right. It's a pill for this, a pill for that, a pill for this. And it didn't get to root causes of things. And so these programs, like when I did this fellowship, it was a complete mind blow because it changed the way that I looked at medicine and how I treated my patients. So it very much came out of, I hate to say a selfish place, but a place that I was also frustrated in conventional medicine. Looking at my dear friend who is an internal medicine physician, and asking, what can we do about what's happening to me? And her telling me, well, you know, this is just a part of aging. And that's not true. It's not something that we have to sit back and just take. Because, yes, the aging process happens, but we have tools in our toolbox to mitigate that so that we can age in a healthy way. It's not about living forever, but it's certainly about being able to be independent as long as you're alive, you know, and do your. Do your things and feel good, if you will.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, back in the day, it was always hormone replacement. Take testosterone, take progesterone, take, you know, this, this, and this for aging. Is this kind of the new age of hormone replacement or is this something you do on top of that?

[Kristen Heninian]

So nothing will ever take the place of HRT for us, especially as women. Right. Because when you look at Alzheimer's patients, two out of every three are women. So we know without a doubt that losing that estrogen, the implications of that, bone loss, brain health, all the things that matter as we get older. So you have to have good anabolic tone for peptides to then come in and do the things that you want them to do. And you have to remember, too, peptides, while there are many synthetic peptides, a lot of peptides are endogenous. Like Dolores talked about humanin, that we make that, that's a mitochondrial derived peptide, that as we age, declines. Once we hit 50, it's very significant, the decline. And Dolores joked initially when we were talking about how she was feeling on it, and she said, you know, I feel like, like my, like I've got, like add, you know, like, I'm ready to go, I'm focused, I've got energy. Well, that's because we're signaling.

[Dolores Catania]

What I said was, I feel like I did coke. If I ever did it, I feel like this would be it. I know, but I'm saying, like, I've never done that, but this is like what I think people do it for. Like, that's how, like I felt, like, alert and energetic and young again.

[Kristen Heninian]

And that's, that's that because that's the target, right? We're targeting the mitochondria, which is the powerhouse for us. It's the powerhouse of our cells. And that is what starts to really kind of fall short as we age. And we lack that, that energy, that pull. Remember we joked about your cortisol awakening response when I tested you, and I was like, dolores, you're a flatline. I mean, the level at which you're running, your body can't. Yeah. Your body can't keep compensating. So we needed to work on that. So that's, you know, TA1 another amazing peptide that our body makes in the thymic tissue and that declines as we age. So hence the reason our immune systems change as we get older. So so many of these peptides we make in our body, but we just, we lose them as we get older. GHKCU is another one. So these are not things that are foreign substances to the body. But that's where. Then again, I was talking earlier, Tamara, where I said where you get them from matters. Because if you're getting research use only, you're potentially getting things with a lot of endotoxins that you really don't know in the long term what that's going to do to your body.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, exactly. So I remember back maybe 10 years ago, HGH was the answer to everybody's problems. And I took HGH and all of a sudden I started getting skin, gross skin cancers all over my arms. I ended up getting melanoma and then stopped. But that. So your body also makes hgh. So that's why it's so scary to me. And maybe if I didn't have that experience, I would be like, oh, sure, I'll jump on board. But now they're saying NAD can potentially give you cancer.

[Kristen Heninian]

So. Great points. But again, HGH turns everything on. Right. Remember? And you come from a bodybuilding background. Remember the Jay Cutlers and the guys that get the growth gut and the acromegaly and your skull would get huge. Yeah, massive doses of HGH turns everything on, makes everything grow. So that's the other part of this too, is looking at these categories of peptides and saying, what is proliferative? What is non proliferative? NAD. Yes, of course everybody's doing NAD, but you have to. And NAD's a coenzyme that is necessary for mitochondria, for that oxidative phosphorylation. We need it. But you have to ask, not take it blindly, and say, well, what is our end goal? Because you could take precursors to nad, right? You could take nmn, you could take things that will support your own endogenous NAD production. But at the end of the day, whenever you're putting any kind of peptide program together for somebody, you want to ask them, what is our goal here? What are we trying to accomplish? Don't just take it. To take it it. And that's the thing. Because people just do that. You know, you could do something. Tessa Morellin is, you know, going to tell your pituitary to release a little growth hormone, but it's going to be so pulsatile that it's. You're never going to get into the realm of those side effects of HGH like you would back in the old days when they would take that. It's not. It's not necessary anymore. You know, the joint pain and all of the symptoms that you would get from growth hormone. So there's other ways to do it. But I always say it has to be done with oversight that blind. I would be petrified to just take things to take them. But I think a lot of people,

[Tamara Judge]

that's how I feel.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Kristen Heninian]

They're renegade and they'll just do it.

[Dolores Catania]

I've done that.

[Kristen Heninian]

Oh, delicious.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, I have Kristen.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Dolores Catania]

And that was wrong. That was wrong. She yells at me. She finds out. I. She's like, what are you doing? And where are you getting this from now?

[Kristen Heninian]

Are they. Because you guys have access to everything. You know, you have people in your ear that tell you, let me give you this, let me give you that. You're going to feel like a million bucks. You. You're going to feel amazing. And I get how appealing it is, but there should always be a method to the madness. I mean, I've had debates with Dolores fiance about this. We joke back and forth. I'm like, you do X, Y, and Z because of what I see. And this is why we do it. So there needs to be a rationale. And it should never just be done blindly.

[Dolores Catania]

I'll tell you this. Paul has been on her protocol now for a month.

[Kristen Heninian]

Not quite a month.

[Dolores Catania]

Not.

[Kristen Heninian]

Not quite a month. About. We're full two weeks now.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, fine. Paul's two weeks. Paul is a different person. He actually. The trainer. We share a trainer at the gym. I was at the gym yesterday. And the trainer said to me, people have been asking him and stopping Paul as he's walking out of the gym on why he looks so good because whatever he's on what you've given him, I see the whole vitamins, the lineup is over there. It takes up the whole counter. But the bloatedness has come out of his face and his body. He feels great. He goes to bed late, wakes up early, sharp, ready to go. And his workouts, he said, are insane. He's kind of feeling himself a little bit, so he hold back.

[Tamara Judge]

But my question is, is this something you have to be on the rest of your life?

[Kristen Heninian]

No. And that's the other. That's a great question. That's the big thing because there is such a thing as receptor saturation, right. Which would then lead to receptor down regulation. So you have to take holidays from this, these things. When I would have women that would plateau, say, say they were trying to lose some weight and I, I walk a really funny line with GLPs and GIPS because they serve their purpose and they are highly anti inflammatory. But when I get a woman on my biometric machine that starts to drop below 50% skeletal muscle, it's a hard no, she can't do it. So. So they take a break and they often get better results when they take the break. So so you know, 12, typically 12 weeks on a cycle, maybe 12 weeks off. So you need to give yourself those breaks and allow those receptors to then kind of not be dampened if you will, so that they can respond when you integrate another cycle of something different. So no, you don't have to stay on them forever. But if you. So I do a lot of genetic testing in my practice. So if I identify, say for instance somebody has some variants or we call SNPs with the way that they detox and they, or they have a gene deletion, they're going to need support for the rest of their life. So it is very patient dependent. But I will say universally, I don't tell people that they have to stay on any of this stuff forever.

[Tamara Judge]

What do you think is better for you? I'm on Metformin. Been on Metformin for years because of my sugar levels and they're always really, really high too. Pre diabetic at times and runs my family, I'm insulin resistant. Had talked to the doctor about the long term of being on Metformin. Is it better to switch over to a microdose of GLP1 than to stay on Metformin?

[Kristen Heninian]

So here's what I'll tell you. I do both. I microdose, I do the GLP GIP combo and I've been taking, I take metformin for the anti aging component to it and my husband and I have, I've had us doing that now for about the last.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think it really works the anti aging. You do.

[Kristen Heninian]

So if you, if you go to. There's a website called Geroprotector.org and it goes through all of the drugs that we have had in this country over the last 20ish, maybe even longer years and how they anecdotally found these benefits. It's highly cancer protective. My, my caveat when I use it with patients is, you know, you got, it's, it's very patient dependent because you can have patients that are. Their AMPK pathway gets impacted by metformin and they really become fatigued and tired. So you just have to lower that dose then. But the cancer protection alone is just one of the reasons I probably will never get off of it. But as long as they have healthy kidney function and you're monitoring their egfr then I'm fine with them staying on it. But we personally, my husband and I do both. So we'll microdose a GLP one. We might skip a week or you know, skip two weeks and then go back on it. But I personally like those fasting sugars to be in that 75 to 85 range.

[Tamara Judge]

So when you microdose, how many units would you do a week?

[Kristen Heninian]

Oh gosh, I would probably be at. If we're doing units, maybe five units. Two to two to five units. Depends if I'm doing. Because it depends on your concentration. Because when you get it from a compounding pharmacy, they're adding in usually like a B vitamin for nausea and then they're altering the dosing so that it's not like standardized dosing. So it would just depend on your, on your concentration that you have. But very, very, very low, Very low. And honestly in that instance, it isn't for food noise, it's not for weight loss. You're really doing it because you're getting that, that anti inflammatory benefit medication.

[Tamara Judge]

Gotcha. Now people, a lot of people are talking about retatrutide right now. Is that like the new GLP one that people are switching over to is. I know, maybe not FDA approved yet?

[Kristen Heninian]

Well, so many of the things that we use and do are not FDA approved.

[Dolores Catania]

Right.

[Kristen Heninian]

So I always like to point that out, but it's not, I have Concern about where people are getting it because it's any, any legitimate good. 503A pharmacy is not compounding it because of where it sits with clinical trials and because of the patent. Yeah. So most people that are using it are getting research use only. I work with about 12 different compounding pharmacies and I'm really OCD about the pharmacies. I work with their sterility components, their traceability records, and none of them are making it. But it is a triple agonist. So I do believe that people that maybe even struggle on tirzepatide, even if you've added in what's called cagralinotide at times, they may benefit for retatrutide when we're able to get it. But anybody that's on it now, they're not getting it from a good source.

[Dolores Catania]

How far out are we before it's FDA approved, do you figure?

[Kristen Heninian]

I honestly don't know the answer to that because it's not available to me to prescribe for patients. I haven't done a whole lot of homework on where they sit with their research and their trials. But there is promising. Some of the preliminary data I've read is pretty promising as far as the weight loss. So for people that are suffering with morbid obesity, it's going to be a great option for them. But you know, it's still going to have a GLP one and a GIP and then the glucagon. So it still has the formula of what we see in SEMA and tirzepatide.

[Tamara Judge]

For a woman that's, let's say maybe going through menopause or 50 plus, what do you think are the best things that they can take?

[Kristen Heninian]

I would say that most of my, my menopausal. So this, this will be an interesting one I do have to share with you because of your background with bodybuilding, Believe it or not, I use a lot of oxandrolone, low dose, which is an very low dose. So there a recent study, as recent as last year, 2025, that did a systematic review of something like 20 different studies, very low hepatic burden. So very, very minimal impact on the liver. And it is incredible. And I even wrote it down because I wanted to quote it for you. We found in that systematic review of those 24 studies an increase in lean body mass, increase in bone mineral density, increase in bone mineral content, and an increase in the bone health by obviously acting directly on the osteoblastic cells. And the reason why I bring that up is because what's the number one thing we start to worry about in women in menopause is bone osteoporosis. Correct. And we are so quick to throw bisphosphonates. And then there's a new FDA approved drug for bone loss. And the side effects you have to love are osteonecrosis of the jaw. And I'm like, I will take any day of the week, a little blip in my liver enzymes and put on muscle mass using low dose Anavar before you would ever put me on bisphosphonate or any of these newer. Great to know these newer drugs and typically the women that I have them, that I have do 12 week cycles. When I get them on my biometrics machine, I do see an increase by about 10% of their bone mineralization.

[Dolores Catania]

That's a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

Does it help with muscle tone as well?

[Kristen Heninian]

Oh my gosh, yeah. I mean, Dolores can show you. When you look at Kristen in, in, in 2019 versus me now, my. I finally at 55 hit about 88% skeletal muscle. And that was a big deal for me because I kept riding around 60 to 70%. So, you know, obviously I do all the, the progressive overload. I lift pretty regularly. But it was really nice to get over that curve finally with the muscle and putting it on.

[Tamara Judge]

My problems right now, I'm 58, are energy level, skin, my skin and just skin getting saggy. I mean, I have the worst recipe. I'm like Irish, you know, German and Irish and very pale and freckly and, you know, skin doesn't hold up that great.

[Kristen Heninian]

We're twinning.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Kristen Heninian]

Have you, are you doing any estrogen at all? Estradiol replacement at all?

[Tamara Judge]

I have estrogen and I'm the worst at it. I always forget to use it.

[Kristen Heninian]

You don't want to just do the little patch on your butt?

[Tamara Judge]

I have. I've only had the cream, so I've

[Dolores Catania]

no do the patch. You change it twice a week.

[Kristen Heninian]

Yeah. And then you don't have to think about it.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, okay.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll do that. Well, I'll give you a call after this maybe. Yeah, get some going, get your rest,

[Kristen Heninian]

get your recipe improved.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And muscle tone, that's my whole thing. Like I can work out and train every single day and I just feel like I don't know if it's the skin that's not, not looking so great. There's muscle underneath it, but it's. That's my biggest complaint.

[Kristen Heninian]

I will have to send you over the info sheet to read a little bit on doing some low dose oxandrolone. I'm telling you, it has been a game changer for my postmenopausal women. Truly, truly, truly. I mean, I always say for, especially for us in this age range, right. We were taught like, oh, it's downhill from here. That muscle is truly your currency for longevity.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Kristen Heninian]

There's just nothing else that will replace it.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, okay. Well, this is all great information. We think so much. Thank you. No, I want to get your contact information so we can chat. Do you deal with people in different states?

[Kristen Heninian]

I am licensed in multiple states. Yes. Yes. I think just the biggest thing, honestly that I want to promote is done well and done right. Peptides can truly be life changing for people. And I mean, there are just a list of them that we make that our own body makes. So I don't want them to be vilified. I just would encourage people to make sure that they're doing them under the guidance of somebody that's going to look at their labs and make sure that they're okay and, you know, strategize with them so that they can feel their best.

[Tamara Judge]

Awesome. And where, where can people find you on social media?

[Kristen Heninian]

Just by my name. Kristen Heninian NP can you spell your last name?

[Tamara Judge]

That's not an easy one.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Kristen Heninian]

I need to go back to the old Irish easy last name. Yeah, it's H A N E N I A N. Gotcha. That's a mouthful. But thank you so much. I always love talking about anything health.

[Tamara Judge]

I am so intrigued with all of this. This is amazing.

[Dolores Catania]

I learned something every time I speak to you. So.

[Kristen Heninian]

Well, you guys look great. So keep doing whatever you're doing and hopefully we'll talk soon.

[Dolores Catania]

Thanks. Love you.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you, Kristen.

[Dolores Catania]

Bye.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you guys for listening to this special episode of Two T's in a Pod. And we will catch you real soon.

[Dolores Catania]

See you soon. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.