Scandals and Lies? It’s The Mormon Wives (SLOMW E1 & 2)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: "Scandals and Lies? It’s The Mormon Wives (SLOMW E1 & 2)"

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode Air Date: November 23, 2025
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Episode Overview

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive deep into the first two episodes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, unpacking all the drama, scandals, and shifting alliances in the cast. With their insider understanding as former Housewives, Teddi and Tamra break down co-parenting struggles, relationship breakdowns, rumors, and some eyebrow-raising group dynamics among the Mormon social media stars on the show, all with their trademark candid humor and personal asides.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Real-Life Updates and Candid Personal Moments

• Thanksgiving Plans & Family Changes
  • Both hosts share their holiday plans and reflect on changing family dynamics as kids grow up and couples split.
  • Teddi gets real about the long process of immunotherapy and her feelings of depression post-surgery.
    • “I wonder if my depression has anything to do with the immunotherapy or just has to do with my entire life kind of falling apart.” (07:32, Teddi)
  • Tamra empathizes, sharing how having support at home matters:
    • “I couldn't imagine going through what you're going through and not to have Eddie with me.” (10:00, Tamra)

Scandals in "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives"

• Taylor and Dakota’s Co-Parenting
  • The hosts question if Taylor’s “two-week therapy retreat” was a front for filming The Bachelor (11:07–11:25).
  • Both are amused by Dakota’s willingness to film and comment on the couple’s dynamic.
• The ‘Emotional Affair’ and the Definition of ‘Hooking Up’
  • The big scandal: Jesse admits to Layla that she kissed Marciano twice, with debates over whether it was “just emotional” or physical.
    • Tamra: “I think if you hook up, you’re getting your hook in.” (20:26)
  • Contradictory accounts emerge—Jesse claims no sex; Marciano claims otherwise, with talk of erectile dysfunction and awkward texts dissected on air.
    • “Well, it appears that the reason she didn’t have sex with Marciano is because he couldn’t get hard.” (20:54, Teddi)

Explosive Group Dynamics & Cast Drama

• Shifting Cast & “Mental Health Breaks”
  • Laughter and snark at how many members are on “mental health breaks” or have quit (“This just in. I’m on a mental health break.” – 19:29, Teddi).
  • Marciano and Demi paint a target as possible “moles” leaking information to stir up drama (28:05–28:21).
• Awkward Confrontations & Scene Breakdowns
  • Layla confronting Jesse in her car.
  • Jordan’s emotional reaction to Jesse’s infidelity, with both hosts expressing empathy for his vulnerability.
  • The hosts speculate about whether the show is becoming “a little scripted” (30:40, Tamra).
• Moms at the Party
  • The oddity of mothers attending parties on behalf of their daughters amuses both hosts.
    • “Could you imagine me not being at a party? But hey, I’m sending my mom.” (31:00, Tamra)

Episode Two: Fallout and New Bombshells

• Jordan Leaves & Separation Confirmed
  • Jordan moves out after Jesse’s confession and the couple separates. Jesse's mom and sister reveal the couple should have split sooner, and Jesse names “emotional abuse” as an issue (36:02).
• Jesse’s Therapy
  • Jesse breaks down about her low self-esteem, citing negative social media comments and personal struggles.
    • “She doesn’t like anything about herself and has no self-confidence.” (41:00, Teddi)
    • Tamra urges: “I suggest, Jesse, that you don’t read all the comments.” (41:46, Tamra)
• More Accusations & Unraveling Alliances
  • Text messages between Jesse and Marciano are read aloud in front of Jordan at a party, further muddying the waters about the affair and fueling speculation about who’s telling the truth (37:54–38:45).
  • Macy and Michaela track down Marciano, who finally admits he lied about having sex with Jesse (42:12).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Depression & Coping:
  “I just go by moment to moment. So...that’s the way I keep it. But I guess it’s gone by. It’s gone by. I don’t know if it’s gone by fast, but it’s gone by.” (08:34, Teddi)
• On Reality TV Scandals:
  “He never really asked him the tough questions, like, how are you feeling? Do you want to stay with her? ...You’re not going to get some sound advice from Dakota.” (22:34, Tamra)
• On “Hooking Up” Definitions:
  “Apparently the mom talk girls think hooking up is sex. Where I still think it’s making out.” (20:11, Teddi)
• On Group Drama:
  “Macy and Michaela to me are starting to become one cast member. They both share the same opinion and they’re always attached.” (29:49, Tamra)
• On Production and Scripting:
  “But the show to me again is feeling a little scripted. I mean, since when are they that good of friends that he’d call him and just pick him up?” (30:40, Tamra)
• On Social Media and Self-Esteem:
  “Don’t read the comments because they’re only going to get worse from here on out.” (41:49, Tamra)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:23 – Episode starts, previewing "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives."
• 06:16–08:59 – Teddi opens up about post-surgery recovery, depression, and her changing home life.
• 11:07 – Switch to discussing Taylor and Dakota’s relationship and therapy retreat.
• 19:03–22:45 – Nicknaming and identifying the show’s “mole,” dissecting affair rumors, and emotional fallout.
• 35:24 – Recap of episode two: Jordan moves out, Jesse and Jordan separate.
• 37:54–39:16 – Jesse reads explicit texts aloud at a party, hosts break down how this fuels more drama.
• 41:00 – Jesse’s lack of confidence discussed after an emotional therapy session.
• 42:12–43:13 – Marciano admits to lying, clearing up major rumors circulating among the cast.

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

Teddi and Tamra bring their familiar mix of empathy, shade, and Housewives-insider analysis to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They’re quick to laugh at the show’s melodramas, poke fun at reality TV conventions, and reflect on the emotional undercurrents behind the “scandals.” Under the humor, there’s compassion for people going through public relationship struggles and mental health battles.

Their trademark banter and willingness to get personal make the episode feel like a candid couch debrief with friends—just with way more knowledge about reality show production and a sharper eye for what’s real and what’s probably for the cameras.

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Perfect For: Listeners who thrive on reality TV tea, group dynamics breakdowns, and honest talk about relationships and self-image—all infused with warmth, wit, and a dash of shade.

Transcript

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Chelsea Handler]

Two T's in a pod with Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

Good morning, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Good morning. We are talking all things Secret lives with Mormon wives today. We have so many questions.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you like that they roll out all the episodes at once?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I want them to do it. I don't need to have all of them out there. I want to do it slowly.

[Tamara Judge]

The only one I want them to do that too is Landman. Did you watch Landman?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I watched.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, the new episode's up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It is.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so good. Guys, if you're not watching Landman, you have to watch it. Paramount. It's on Paramount. We need to get Allie in the hot seat. Yeah, we need the twat seat.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The twat seat. We need to get her in the twat seat. Oh, it's on Paramount plus, so I probably means I need to watch it on Amazon Prime.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it freezing at your house? I'm, like, dressed like I'm in Big Bear right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know it's freezing and then burning.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you like my new aloe fit?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I look like the UPS guy.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm very into brown right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm into brown and beige.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. That's all I want, is brown and beige.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's pretty. Brown, beige and black is all we wore at Bravocon. Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Plums. All the fall colors.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love that.

[Tamara Judge]

Love them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's nice being involved. What are you going to do for Thanksgiving?

[Tamara Judge]

My mom's coming over now. Sophie has got a boyfriend, and so she's like, mom, Nico's parents want me to come over. The grandma's going to show me how to make tamales and all this stuff. And I'm like, wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hold on.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Does that mean you're not going to be here? You know, as soon as they get a boyfriend, it's like, bye, see you later. And then Spencer's girlfriend, he's had for Christmas quite a few years. It's like, oh, her parents always have something big. And I'm like, so now I gotta rearrange my Thanksgiving on my kids schedule. And then Ryan's going to his dad's sister's house, his aunt's house. So I'm like, babe, might be me, you, rugby and my mom. That's it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

With other people dropping in and out.

[Tamara Judge]

When are you putting your tree up?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My tree's up. What? Yeah, both my trees are up.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my gosh. I'm thinking about doing that. I'm gonna do it this weekend. I'm gonna do it before Thanksgiving. I never have my tree up before Thanksgiving.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Really? Never? Well, I did it because, like, I just didn't want to have to worry about, you know, how I over stress about things these days. So I was like, I just need to make sure this is done because I don't want to worry about it after I get home from my dad's in case I'm exhausted or whatever. And I don't want it to be last minute. And then.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you and the kids going to your dad's house?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we're going to my dad's.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we put last year, Eddie put or had put on those permanent Christmas lights that go underneath your eaves year round. You can't see them. So that's done. That's done for years. I'm happy about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's perfect.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But yeah, I'm going to my dad's. Hopefully I have enough energy because then I come home and then I have immunotherapy right when I get home.

[Tamara Judge]

That's your next visit?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

Right before Thanksgiving or after Thanksgiving?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right after Thanksgiving.

[Tamara Judge]

After Thanksgiving.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, right after Thanksgiving.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then you'll feel good by Christmas time, Hopefully.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

How many more sessions of immunotherapy do you have to do?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think a year, Like a solid year.

[Tamara Judge]

Like is there a month that cuts off or do you go a year and then they reevaluate?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I guess they just tell me when the time comes. They haven't given me a set time. Well, this next time that I go in for immunotherapy, they also do my scans. So as long as my scans are good, I think then, you know, we go from there. But if my scans have declined in any way, then I would assume that it goes longer. Yeah, but I mean, I don't even know how long I've been on immunotherapy.

[Tamara Judge]

At this point, probably. When was your surgery? No, I think longer than that. I think your surgery was in February.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Was it? Yeah, but then I did radiation before. I did it for six weeks.

[Tamara Judge]

And then you started very much probably a Good. Eight months. Seven. Eight months. Yeah, but it's working.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So it's working. I wonder if my depression has anything to do with the immunotherapy or just has to do with my entire life kind of falling apart. It's.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I don't think your life's falling apart, but I think that it has a different.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, let's go through the things.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I know. I know, sweetie. But I think a lot of it is that just you're at home all the time now. Like, BravoCon was one of the biggest events you've gone to this year. So I think just being at home all the time, not being your normal self, not feeling good, recovering from, you know, brain surgery, that in itself takes a long time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. And I just want it to be, like, over. Yeah, it will. Yeah. I mean, and it's about a year since my life completely exploded, so it's.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. Can you believe it's coming up on a year?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. My gosh.

[Tamara Judge]

That is just insane.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's so insane.

[Tamara Judge]

Does it feel like it's gone by fast for you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's more so that I just don't really keep track of time anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

Mm.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's like I just go by moment to moment. So it's like, I know my next thing is Thanksgiving, then I have blah. Then I have blah. You know, whatever it is, like, that's the way I keep it. But I guess it's gone by. It's gone by. I don't know if it's gone by fast, but it's gone by. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Day by day.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But. Yeah. Like, my entire house is still. I don't know. I think I. I got a little upset because Edwin is. Was talking about how he's, you know, not going to be here for Christmas. No. No. Edwin has been staying at the house in Hollywood Hills, but somebody's leasing it for some months coming up. And I just assumed Edwin was coming home and he would stay in Cruz's room again, but he rented a place. Really? Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, your house is so big. I don't know why you wouldn't just take the spare bedroom.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. So I think that especially to help.

[Tamara Judge]

You out during the holidays.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. It just made me sad. Yeah. And I don't know if I'm sad because I miss him, or I'm sad because I miss our family, or I'm sad because I think it's probably all of those things.

[Tamara Judge]

Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, he's kind of moved on, and you're at. You're at home and you're dealing with everything you're dealing with. And it would be really nice to have somebody there with you to keep you company all the time and to hold you to, you know, make food for you and all those things. I couldn't imagine going through what you're going through and not to have Eddie with me. Yeah. I would just be like, I just don't want to do this. And I'm sure you probably feel that way at times. Like, I just don't want to do this anymore.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. There are days I'm just like, I. How am I gonna do this?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't even feel like it. And it's not, you know, it's. I'm dating too, so it's not that. It's more like I can't give myself to anybody else because I feel so low.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And your dating's a little bit different. It's not like you're out on the town dating.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. And I'm not like you just have.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody you're talking to and hanging out with once in a while. That's a big difference than having a boyfriend. You're flying to France and Italy and all these Hawaii and all these places.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right, True.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I'm talking about? Slightly different.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Slightly different. But speaking of dysfunctional relationships, let's get into Taylor and Dakota, who are co parenting their son. They're not in a relationship, but Taylor will be going to therapy retreat for two weeks. Do you think therapy retreat for two weeks was actually her filming the Bachelor?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I don't know. But you know what? Therapy for two weeks. I. I've never heard about these therapy retreats, but do you think we need them?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's go to one.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's go to. I think that would be a vacation itself. Other therapy is exhausting.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But should I do my massages and.

[Tamara Judge]

All that stuff too?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know I'd settle for a week.

[Tamara Judge]

I was actually shocked that Dakota was filming.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not. He's as thirsty as they come. But it makes him kind of more likable when they're not together.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So the Dancing with the Stars situation was not going on during the filming?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, because remember, they went right into filming after last season.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's right. Because they're pregnant. They're still pregnant.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So it went right into filming.

[Tamara Judge]

And wait, did we see Whitney in this episode?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, because remember, she was one of the faces that she had quit again.

[Tamara Judge]

But I don't know, she quit again.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The rumor is the Reason why Britney comes back mid season is to try to get on Dancing with the Stars. That's so.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't know if I believe that. I think the Dance of the stars would have taken her regardless if she was on Mom Talk or not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, supposedly she got booted.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she got booted. I thought she was gonna win.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Me too. I thought she was so good.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, who's left? It's got to be near the end, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who is left?

[Tamara Judge]

She made it very far and I'll tell you just the clips I've seen. She looks like a professional dancer.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. So Dylan Efron's left. Robert Irwin.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I think he's gonna win.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Elaine from Parent Trap. Jordan Chiles.

[Tamara Judge]

So there's still a few episodes left.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And Alex Earl. I heard I had somebody said that they predicted Alex Earl is going to win. Not that you can predict those things.

[Tamara Judge]

But her camp reached out to me and one send me some of her. I think she's got some kind of a drink or something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, you should get it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I said yeah, send it my way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

That's what happened with my quince order. Everything's so soft and well made. I'm seriously tempted to keep all of it for myself.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Quint's pretty much has your whole list covered. Mongolian cashmere sweaters for $50 when you'd normally pay $200 or more. The kind you'll wear on repeat.

[Tamara Judge]

Then there's the denim that goes with everything. Silk tops and skirts for when you need to look put together. Cashmere beanies and scarves and down jackets that actually keep you warm.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Either way, seeing Taylor and Dakota co parenting and getting along, that was. That was a nice surprise. But also, did you see on the world wide web that Taylor was kissing some guy at the. At one of the games or something?

[Tamara Judge]

I did say that. I was kind of confused. Like everybody made a big deal about it and I'm like, because you're not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Supposed to know anything from the Bachelor. Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

You're supposed to be low key, not macking on someone's face in public.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

I wonder if it's one of the Bachelor guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's gotta be. But they could get in a lot of trouble for that. One would think. Row, rot, row then. The members of Mom Talk right now are so Macy, Michaela, Jesse, and Layla. The rest are either on mental health breaks or they've quit.

[Tamara Judge]

Sorry, that just sounds so bad. We're on mental health breaks right now next week and Mom Talk, it's just too much for me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

This just in. I'm on a mental health break.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And Miranda is still to be determined on her Mom Talk status, so we don't know yet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How can she be TBD but still filming the show? That one is pretty determined, if you ask me.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. And Demi is not on the show anymore.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love that you say Demi, but I think it's Demi.

[Tamara Judge]

Demi. So Demi. Demi is no longer on the show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Anymore or does she come back later too?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, okay. Full of surprises to show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, full of surprises. Everyone was still essentially pissed from the season before. But then Jesse tells Layla that she kissed Marciano twice. They had an emotional affair following that.

[Tamara Judge]

How's that emotional?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

If they're macking out, that's what also they agree. You and I had the conversation, which what hooking up is. And apparently the mom taught girls think hooking up is sex. Where I still think it's making out. I know. I knew you did.

[Tamara Judge]

I think if you hook up, you're getting your hook in.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She says she and Jordan were separated during that time. And Jesse says they never had sex, but Marciano claims they did.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, I have a question.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Jordan has never come out and said they were separated at the time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. Yeah, I'VE never heard that.

[Tamara Judge]

And I feel like when people get caught cheating, they always say, oh, it was emotional. Which is far worse than just boning down on some guy for the night.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, it appears that the reason she didn't have sex with Marciano is because he couldn't get hard. What I got. Oh, yeah, because the text message said, I remember I took Cialis, and then blah, blah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's right. I didn't know what Cialis is. Is that the little blue pill?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think it's one of the pills. He took a pill for erectile dysfunction. So he's probably all up and couldn't get.

[Tamara Judge]

Why is he like that? He's young. Like, is that, like, a thing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He was probably drunk, but he said.

[Tamara Judge]

He had a few little spots on his chonies. Few little drops, a few little droplets.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then Layla calls Marciano while they're in the car. He remembers taking a Cialis, a prescription medication used to treat erectile dysfunction, and having come standing on the shorts. Know who we can blame for Marciano?

[Tamara Judge]

Lisa Vanderpump.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

And by the way, out of all the guys, why would you want to cheat with him?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that I'm the one to be judging.

[Tamara Judge]

Giddy up. Oh, my God. Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. Then Jordan invites.

[Tamara Judge]

Got me on that one. Austin Powers.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then Jordan invites Dakota over to tell him about the affair. Jordan gets emotional and admits it's very emasculating. Dakota tells him not to listen to what anyone else has to say.

[Tamara Judge]

He never really asked him the tough questions, like, how are you feeling? Do you want to stay with her? Things like that. He's like, oh, coming to me. I'm the biggest cheater around, so. Oh, my.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not sure Dakota is the one I would ask for advice from.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I'm getting at. Like, why Dakota, the one that. Who's cheated on Taylor multiple times? Not sure he was the right guy to go to. You're not going to get some sound advice from Dakota.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Also, how come all of a sudden, we've heard that, like, Jordan is, like, this kind of asshole, but we've never heard that before.

[Tamara Judge]

He seems really sweet. I felt bad for him. I mean, to see a guy crying about his wife cheating. Like, I don't know. A lot of guys wouldn't do that. They'd be like, I'm out of here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then we see Jen and Zach, and they're currently living in Arizona.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, this couple confuses me. Do they live in Utah or not?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're always go to Utah to film.

[Tamara Judge]

So they're Meredith all over again.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

So they get an Airbnb, they film, and then they go back to Arizona.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Arizona. That's my guess. I mean, I have no idea if that's actual facts, but. Sounds right to me.

[Tamara Judge]

And then Zach's trying to figure out if he wants to continue with medical school. Doing a lot of therapy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jen's. They do seem happier. Yeah. Because they weren't even able to fake happiness before.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then Macy and Michaela go to Jesse's house so she can tell them about the affair.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Macy and Michaela are still there for Jesse, but they don't know whether or not to believe her that she had sex with Marciano. Apparently, Macy heard rumors that Jesse cheated in her past relationship. Did you mean her marriage before or. I don't know, because she was married before. I think, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's a really nice thing to bring up. Macy, you're a good friend. You both are. Especially you, Layla.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love that they don't even, like, really give a hug. Like, when she's, like, crying and, like, sharing her heart. They're like, so just give her a little pat.

[Tamara Judge]

You won't be okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're gonna be okay. We're here. We're here for you. Tap, tap, tap.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, the fact that she. Layla. Got her in the car, it's like, I really don't want to do this, but, yeah, I hear you are having an affair. And then if Jesse could have poked her eyeballs out by rubbing her face so many times, I'm like, girl, stop. You're not gonna be able to see pretty soon.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's just like, well, she couldn't even.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she actually was blindsided by that. I would.

[Tamara Judge]

Could you imagine? Thank you, friend. Thanks for the heads up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thanks for the private heads up.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because she really did seem shocked. But I guess we're going to find out more about this relationship between Jordan.

[Sophie Cunningham]

And.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jesse and learn a little bit more about it. But all I know is that I think Marciano gives me the poor guy. Just.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. The poor guy Jordan just looks so defeated and.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you for clarifying. The poor guy Jordan. Because I thought you were saying Marciano. I'm like, why is he the poor guy?

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He just seems defeated and emasculated.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He keeps talking about how emasculated he's feeling, but he's not talking about how heartbroken he Is. I know.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I was gonna say. Emasculated, like. Yeah, okay, that's. That's a. A choice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then all the girls get together for. Well, before they even get together for Leila's birthday, they go to try to get their hair done, but Jesse isn't there.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you can tell is really hitting the fan.

[Tamara Judge]

And none of the girls, they all act like they don't know what's going on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then I would have spread, like, wildfire. Hair.

[Tamara Judge]

Layla's like, Well, I can't really say really.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you already did on camera. But then they get together for Layla's birthday. Macy reveals that Demi texted her and Michaela right after they left Jesse's and told them about the affair. The text says, so, like, can we talk about it now that you guys know? Then this part confused me. Jesse caught Brett driving by her house on her security cameras while the girls were over. So the girls are trying to figure out who the mole is in the group. The main suspects are Layla and Miranda. No, the main suspect to me is Marciano.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Is his name Marciano or Marciano like a Mariano cherry? What's it called? Is that what.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't need to be bothered to learn his name. He grosses me out so much.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know him?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I've never met him in my life. But he makes Jack Taylor seem like a dream.

[Tamara Judge]

I just remember last year when he comes rolling in in his ski clothes, like, oh, fancy to meet you here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What are you doing today? Working out.

[Tamara Judge]

Working out? Getting out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The video of him where they say they want to say I love your DJ videos, and it's like, him with, like, a goatee. No, no, no. I don't need to see that ever again.

[Tamara Judge]

Is the mall Layla or production?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think the mole is definitely Marciano because the mole is telling Demi and Demi. I guess my bet is still talking to him.

[Tamara Judge]

Is Demi the mole?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think Demi's the mole.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think it. It's something that's put together between Marciano and Demi, and they're just trying to cause problems.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I agree. They want to cause some shit, but I guess we'll find out when Demi comes back. But then after dinner, the girls go across the street for Layla's party. Unfortunately, Miranda's ex husband Chase shows up with his girlfriend Kate. The level of help set they are at, this is also confusing and disturbing to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Why Chase? Why does he need to be there? Because last year he caused problems. So, like, let's Bring him in again.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But like, how's he gonna cause problems at this current time? What is the point of having him there? He's just problems just being there.

[Tamara Judge]

And why is Lala, Lala, Layla just so into him? I guess they had talked maybe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, she's into his brother. That was the mic drop moment. She said, I think his brother's really cute. But Jordan hates that Jesse is getting involved in the drama, so he calls Dakota and leaves too. I never expected Layla to develop into pot stirring reality villain, but she's really showing up and doing her job. So. Yeah, there you go.

[Tamara Judge]

Layla, Macy, Michaela blowing up at Leila for inviting him. And it just. Macy and Michaela to me are starting to become one cast member. They both share the same opinion and they're always attached.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're having babies within days from each other. They talk about how they're the heads of the show. They make the same jokes. I. And we love them in person. Yeah, but I, I'm not. They need more cast members. We need. We need some more people back.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I'm sure like you said, Demi is going to be back to me. Demi. And I'm sure there's going to be sprinkling some. Some other people too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Whitney.

[Tamara Judge]

Jordan. Did you see Jordan? He. He's like not having it. He's like, I'm out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What could you imagine?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm adding 5,000. I'm getting out of here. I can't take this Poor guy didn't even tell his wife. He just. He's out. But the show to me again is feeling a little scripted.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, since when are they that good of friends that he'd call him and just pick him up? I don't. It's just weird. Like, why not take an Uber? Because they can't. Because I can't film a conversation with him and the Uber driver. But Taylor's mom showing up to the party.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Of course she is.

[Tamara Judge]

It just to me. I'm sorry. It just seemed a little thirsty. Could you imagine me not being at a party? But hey, I'm sending my mom. Mom, go do my dirty work.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Go tell some bitches Taylor's mom was there and then Jesse's mom was there before her. Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I, I guess.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or. But that was the other's mom and.

[Tamara Judge]

Her extension are getting their. Their own spot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're getting their own. She may have their own snowflake one. One snow drop at a time.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Now let's get into episode two. We find out that Jordan left Layla's birthday party and spent the night at Dakota's. Now he's packing to go stay at his parents house for the night.

[Tamara Judge]

See to me that's the appropriate thing to do like just get out like the things are so bad and you don't trust your wife. And do we really think that she just kissed him and does he think that like he's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Doesn't matter.

[Tamara Judge]

Doesn't believe. I guess it really doesn't matter. She admitted to having an affair and.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She admitted to having an emotional affair and then when she had an affair.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, period, exclamation mark.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then at Jesse's sister's house, Jesse reveals that she and Jordan have officially decided to separate. Jesse's mom admits that she and Jordan should have separated a couple years ago. And then in Jesse's confession, she says it was things that could be considered emotional abuse.

[Tamara Judge]

Huh. But we've never seen that in the past on the show with him. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. So this is news to us. And then Taylor and Dakota meet at a coffee shop after her therapy retreat. Dakota went to the therapy street for one day so they could set boundaries and learn to co parent effectively. Dakota tells Taylor about Jesse's affair and she's shocked. Nothing says I can change like a single day of therapy.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. Well, Taylor says Jesse was judgmental when it came to Jen and Zach, but had this going on behind closed doors. Nobody knew. There's going to be some fighting about this. I just know it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. It's not going to be just this. No. The girls are going to start getting involved soon now that Taylor's back in action.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Things are going to start to blow.

[Tamara Judge]

I just love her. Her no, nonsense. I don't give a shit. Give a shit what I look like. I don't give a shit what I say. The eye rolling.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was watching it was somebody. And she goes. And she goes, I've never seen this before, but I'm scared of her.

[Tamara Judge]

She's just funny.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like you should be. She would. She could talk any of us out of anything. Then at Mikayla's birthday, it's the first time Jesse and Jordan are at a social event while being separated. Why in the world would she read the text when he's, like, right behind her?

[Tamara Judge]

I was just gonna say that, like, her reading the text out loud when Jordan was standing right behind her was pretty ballsy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it's not like the texts were, like, tame. They were like, so they're sex. And it's like, everyone thinks these texts prove her innocence. They included, I can't stop thinking about your vagina. I fucked up and want redemption. Marciano also says, the real question is, you think you can handle me? Jesse replies, honestly, not sure, but want to find out. Marciano, I'm very much looking forward to to it. I'll be lying if I said I was curious about your recent surgery.

[Tamara Judge]

So he saw her vagina. So it was more than kissing. What lips was he kissing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, apparently not her newly sewed up ones.

[Tamara Judge]

Clearly not her newly plumped up ones. But do you think these texts proved her innocence? Because I feel like it made her look guiltier.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I think it proved that he couldn't get hard so they would have.

[Tamara Judge]

Had sex if he could just get a. Pop a boner.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but he couldn't pop a boner. So that.

[Tamara Judge]

He wants redemption.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, he wants redemption. He wants a makeup because he realized he couldn't get it done. And my guess is that time they hung out.

[Tamara Judge]

Does anybody ever text you, I can't stop thinking about your vagina?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have to admit, no one has ever texted. How should I be concerned? No. Can't stop thinking about your vag.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, how's that vag? Can't stop thinking about your big old balls. Or in Mauricio's, I can't stop thinking about your big old belly button. Oh, my God. I'm not a sexter. Obviously, I'm not. Well, hey, you want to.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You want to get it on? Hold on. My. My therapist is calling. One moment.

[Tamara Judge]

She's like, I hear what you're talking about, Teddy. Stop it, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know what you're doing.

[Tamara Judge]

Teddy, this is not good for your mental health. You should not be talking about sexting.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then Macy, Michaela make the three hour drive to meet up with Marciano. I'm pretty sure Marciano would have driven to them for a swig gift card and camera time.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But me, would Macy say of course Marciano said yes. He's excited that two married women are on their way to meet him. That was a good one.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They have to stop multiple times. Never have I peed outside of a car and taken one of my legs out of this pant.

[Tamara Judge]

Why would you do that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. That makes it so much more difficult. I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, wait, is she getting naked?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Because then they had to blur out her. Her vag.

[Tamara Judge]

Her. Yeah, her bajo. I'm like, oh, okay, blurring.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then Jesse goes to therapy. At first, Marciano was infatuated with Demi, so Jesse believes that's what drew her to him. And then Jesse admits to her therapist that she doesn't like anything about herself and has no self confidence. This made me very sad.

[Tamara Judge]

That made me sad too. Very sad that she just doesn't think she's pretty, doesn't have any confidence and she's beautiful. She said like people say on Instagram that she looks masculine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's had like her nostrils, something done with her nose and all kinds of stuff.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, I think she's stunning. I think she's been stunning since the first time I saw her. And the fact that she has so such low self esteem it and is willing to admit it shows how low it actually is.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think it's from her marriage or just her in general?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. I think it might. I don't think reality television helps that type of thing. No, no.

[Tamara Judge]

I suggest, Jesse, that you don't read all the comments.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Don't read the comments because they're only going to get worse from here on out.

[Tamara Judge]

Especially now that that she's been known to have an affair.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

These Bravo fans are gonna go after her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, they for sure are.

[Tamara Judge]

Has anybody checked Marciano's Instagram?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sure he's going off in some.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sort of way to make some sort of stories. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. But then Macy and Michaela finally get to Marciano. Five hours later, Marciano admits he and Demi kissed at Vanderpump Villa, but it wasn't caught on camera. He finally admits to Macy, Michaela that he and Jesse never had sex. He lied because he was being influenced by Demi. D. I kind of figured it was something like that. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But Marciano showing up with this fresh Botox and lip gloss on his lips.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She goes, I wanted to clear my name about having sex with him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like, she didn't want to. He didn't want to clear his name about anything. He wanted to come in. He also, when he was saying he. When he admitted to making out with Demi, like, he's like, Okay, well, if you twist my arm. We did once kiss. And then what? Did you have sex with Jesse?

[Tamara Judge]

It was such. Such a struggle to get that money for showing up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Do you think he even got paid for showing up?

[Tamara Judge]

Probably.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How much?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know, because they're on a totally different network, so I don't know how they.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How they pay, how they structure the payment. So do you think the husbands are paid?

[Tamara Judge]

Don't know that either.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. I'd like to know it.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, they're very involved, so I would imagine they would. They're very much involved. So I would assume that each one gets a paycheck. But again, I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then they say all the women are the breadwinner, so the paychecks must be significantly higher for the women.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it because they confuse me because they talk about contracts with mom talk and then contracts with Paramount or whatever network or Hulu, whatever they're on. So do they. This mom talk, they make a ton of money off of it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think they're talking about the contracts, like when they're doing a paid post together and when one person wants to make significantly more amount of money. But what about when they said that Whitney only would come back if she booked a scripted show? A script. I'm only doing this podcast if I can get a scripted show.

[Tamara Judge]

That's pretty ballsy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Pretty ballsy. And she didn't ask for a raise. She just wanted a scripted show. Like, Hulu's gonna be like. You know what? There's this new show with Jessica Biel.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we're gonna put you on it. You were so good with Dancing with the Stars. We're gonna give you your own show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, and tickets to the Oscars.

[Tamara Judge]

Tickets to the Oscars. Okay. Did you happen to see that Nick is no longer gonna be hosting the reunion?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's gonna be Stasi now.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I think that's gonna be great.

[Tamara Judge]

And they've already shot their reunion.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, because they started this. I mean, now the entire season is over.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I feel like last year they held it for a while before they shot the reunion.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know, because there was so Much drama.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they're already back. They're probably already back into production.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, because also, remember, Stassi worked at the villa, so she also knows Marciano.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think Marciano is at the reunion? Yes, of course he is.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Of course he is. I know a part of me just wants to binge watch the rest of it, and let's just redo it in a day.

[Tamara Judge]

Did he work for Lisa Vanderbilt? Because he lives in Vegas, and she's got restaurants in Vegas. I heard she's opening up her own. Her own hotel in Vegas.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I heard that, too. That's. I never. That's somebody I never saw at Bravo Con. Did you?

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't see her one time saying, there's a lot of people I didn't see.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maybe the days that. Oh, he was fired during season two.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So that's why now he's Mormon.

[Tamara Judge]

Wives thought they'd pick him on up. Come on over here. Film with us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. But.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I want. I want to see Demi come back because she really causes a lot of. Now do we know if Jesse's back with her husband?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she is back with her husband.

[Tamara Judge]

That's good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I made that up just now. I have zero idea.

[Tamara Judge]

I love when you make up. You're so convincing. Oh, yeah. They've been back together forever. They. They renewed their vows, and now he's having an affair with Marciano, but Marciano.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Couldn'T get it up.

[Tamara Judge]

He couldn't get it up. But you know who could? Jordan.

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

We are just making shit up now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thanks, guys, for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod. We appreciate you for listening and make sure you're watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives right along with us.

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