Sex Moans and Stalking (RHOC Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: "Sex Moans and Stalking" (RHOC Recap)

Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & guest co-host Dolores Catania
Date: October 3, 2025
Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Theme:
A candid, often hilarious, but sometimes exhausting Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) recap. Teddi and Dolores break down the drama, betrayal, and bizarre moments from the latest RHOC episode—touching on everything from cancer updates and sex moans to accusations of stalking and friendship betrayals.

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Episode Overview

This episode opens with celebratory personal news from Teddi, followed by a deep dive into the turbulent and dramatic RHOC episode. The hosts dissect complex friendships, awkward party moments, and the emotional turmoil among the cast, while sharing unfiltered perspectives and plenty of laughter. It's a raw, realistic recap highlighting both the intensity and absurdity of reality TV life.

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1. Personal Update: Teddi’s Cancer Journey

[04:18–06:01]

• Teddi shares a major update: after a recent round of immunotherapy and scans, there is no detectable cancer.
  • “At this point, there is no detectable cancer.” – Teddi Mellencamp [04:34]
  • Dolores is genuinely touched and emotional: “You did it, girl. You didn’t give up one day. You fought harder than anybody I know.” [05:41]
• Teddi clarifies she is not yet in remission, needs to continue immunotherapy for another year, and will be able to be considered in remission after three years.
• The news affects her kids, especially since her daughter Slate understands most, but Teddi balances celebration with the realities of ongoing treatment.

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2. RHOC Recap: Olive Branches and Friendships

[06:05–11:31]

• Tamra & Shannon:
  • Discussion about Shannon texting Tamra regarding Teddi’s treatment: was it a genuine olive branch or just a nicety?
  • Both hosts agree that, “I think it was just her being nice.” – Dolores [06:37], and not a step toward reconciliation.
• Impact on the Kids:
  • Teddi shares how her health struggles keep her from attending important family events due to a compromised immune system.
• Tamra & Heather’s Friendship:
  • Tamra feels unsupported by Heather, upset Heather won’t take her side.
  • Dolores says, “I think that she has been a good friend to Tamra. However… this wasn't the greatest friend episode. If I was judging it on just this episode, I'd say no.” [08:37]
  • Both reflect on how conflict with close friends can lead to lashing out.
  • A consensus that Tamra and Heather are experiencing a rough patch, but their relationship will likely recover.
• Gina, Heather, and Comedy:
  • Discussion on Gina mocking Heather’s foray into improv and comedy.
  • “Why can’t they just be supportive of something she’s doing?” – Teddi [10:23]
  • Dolores is cynical, expecting cattiness, and says, “They’re catty women… I don’t think she should be that upset, especially from where it’s coming from.” [10:26]
  • The hosts relate it to how criticism can sting, even if expected among the group.

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3. Sex Moans & Improv Laughter

[11:31–12:15]

• The infamous “sex moan” improv bit is discussed.
  • The hosts joke about their own failed attempts at the “sex moan laugh.”
  • “That’s a triple threat. I cannot. What am I, ventriloquist too?” – Dolores [12:03]
  • They lighten the recap with playful banter, poking fun at the silliness of the scene.

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4. Jen’s Family & The Tattoo Scene

[17:58–21:52]

• Jen brings her son to get a tattoo.
  • Scene described as intense and anxiety-inducing; her son nearly faints. Dolores, with family in the Marines, empathizes with the pressure.
  • Discussion on blended families: Jen’s ex-husband told the kids “Ryan is the one who took their mom.”
  • Jen's kids, however, decided Ryan is a supportive figure.
  • Dolores admires the kids’ honesty and hopes they don’t feel guilty over accepting Ryan.
  • The hosts share their own parenting/tattoo stories:
    • Dolores: “I saw my daughter had a bird tattoo on her ankle. I almost punched her teeth in.”
    • Teddi adds with a wild story about a friend getting a butt tattoo surgically removed, “[The mom said,] ‘Okay, then just cut it out.’” [21:31]

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5. Gretchen, Christianity, and Contradictions

[21:54–24:54]

• Emily accuses Gretchen of hypocrisy, questioning her repeated references to faith while holding onto past resentments and contradictions.
  • “She is hiding behind Jesus.” – Tamra [22:13]
  • Dolores gives a story about what true Christian forgiveness looks like, contrasting it with Gretchen’s apparent anger: “The core to the religion she speaks of is about forgiveness.” [23:49]
  • Teddi isn’t buying Gretchen’s stories, pointing out inconsistencies and backtracking in her statements about past events.
  • “When you're telling the truth, you don't have to remember anything.” – Dolores [24:36]

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6. Awkward Party, Trust Issues & Cake

[25:12–29:55]

• Game at Heather’s sleepover:
  • Emily and Heather both name Tamra as least trustworthy, and Emily feels she’d better get this awkward declaration over with at the party.
  • Dolores describes the mood: “It just made it tense the rest of the evening. Could we not have actually gotten on with the party and maybe had this powwow outside around the fire pit after the cakes were done?” [26:45]
  • Tamra is visibly upset, runs out of the room.
  • “Grown women can’t keep running out of fights.” – Dolores [28:36]
  • The hosts both wish the confrontation was better timed and less public.

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7. The "Stalking" Accusations: Jen & Tamra

[29:15–33:10]

• Tamra claims Jen “stalked” a man on social media after hearing gossip about Tamra. Jen at first denies, then gives a “wormy” excuse.
  • “If you’re just coming clean on how you felt…” – Teddi [27:51] pushing for more accountability.
  • Dolores jokes about misunderstanding whether Jen was literally following a man in her car.
  • Both discuss “owning it” as a better strategy than half-truths and defensiveness.
  • On the concept of “my truth:” Teddi and Dolores agree it’s better to just state the facts:
    • “Doesn’t mean it’s true.” – Dolores [32:38]
    • “How about just saying the truth here?” – Teddi [32:54]

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8. Tamra, Katie, & Defensive Friendships

[33:10–35:47]

• Tamra plans to meet with Katie for more information on the drama, upsetting Emily.
  • Dolores sides with Tamra: “I don’t think Emily should be upset with Tamra. I think Tamra needs disclosure and needs to know this and it’s got nothing to do with Emily.” [33:31]
  • “There’s not one person there that would not do that for their own information.” – Dolores [34:41]
  • They discuss how accusations of distrust are especially hurtful among friends.

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9. Tamra vs Heather: Fallout and Feelings

[40:30–43:30]

• Aftermath of the trust confrontation:
  • Tamra tells Heather this is the “last time she will film” after feeling betrayed.
  • Heather attempts to explain being triggered by past conversations, but Dolores isn’t buying all of Heather’s narrative.
  • “She could have actually done it a lot differently because I think it just started the whole evening off wrong.” – Teddi [43:30]

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10. Gina & Heather: Comedy Clash

[43:59–46:07]

• Gina and Heather continue their riff:
  • Gina defends herself for mocking Heather’s comedian ambitions, feeling unfairly singled out.
  • The hosts mostly defend Heather’s comic pursuits:
    • “I think anybody who’s smart and witty could be a comedian...And she did have to audition to get into the Groundlings.” – Dolores [45:20]

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11. Closing Thoughts: Jen’s Housewife Strength & Episode Recap

[46:10–49:40]

• Jen is criticized for not owning her actions and struggling to handle group confrontations.
  • “I don’t know that Jen can handle being a housewife...She doesn’t fight back in the moment.” – Dolores [47:02]
• Teddi and Dolores lament the lack of joy, fun, or resolution in this episode—calling it emotionally draining and “a painful episode to recap.”
  • “It sucked.” – Dolores [49:36]
  • “The entire thing sucked.” – Teddi [49:55]

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12. Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Cancer Update:
  • “You didn’t give up one day. You fought harder than anybody I know.” – Dolores [05:41]
• On Friendships:
  • “Grown women can’t keep running out of fights.” – Dolores [28:36]
• On Accountability:
  • “When you’re telling the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” – Dolores [24:36]
  • “How about just say...that’s what I did.” – Dolores [32:57]
• On the Episode Overall:
  • “There wasn’t one moment where I was like, ooh, this makes me so happy. The entire thing sucked.” – Teddi [49:55]

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13. Segment Timestamps

• Teddi’s Cancer Update: [04:18–06:01]
• Olive Branch/Shannon & Tamra: [06:05–08:08]
• Tamra/Heather Friendship: [08:22–09:56]
• Gina Mocks Heather’s Improv: [10:04–11:31]
• Sex Moan/Improv Joke: [11:31–12:15]
• Jen’s Tattoo Scene: [17:58–21:52]
• Gretchen’s Contradictions & Christianity: [21:54–24:54]
• Sleepover Trust Confrontation: [25:12–29:55]
• Jen Stalking Accusations: [29:15–33:10]
• Tamra/Katie Meeting Fallout: [33:10–35:47]
• Tamra/Heather Post-Party: [40:30–43:30]
• Gina/Heather Clash Continues: [43:59–46:07]
• Final Thoughts: [46:10–49:40]

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14. Final Takeaway

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod is deeply personal, sharply observational, and brutally honest—balancing Teddi’s hopeful medical news with a wry, sometimes weary breakdown of a particularly tense RHOC episode. Both hosts don’t shy away from calling out petty behavior, lack of accountability, and the heavy emotional toll reality TV drama can take.

Summary for Non-Listeners:

• Major personal triumph for Teddi with her cancer update.
• The RHOC recap centered on fractured friendships, awkward confrontations, and lingering resentments.
• The "sex moan" scene and tattoo journeys provided brief moments of levity amidst the tension.
• Both hosts agree: The episode was a downer, but their shared humor and candor keep things real and relatable.

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Transcript

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Dolores Catania]

Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Dolores Catania.

[Dolores Catania]

Teddy, I had so much fun. I don't think I've laughed harder since the last time I spoke to you. But I'm not going to laugh this time.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Not even having anxiety this time.

[Dolores Catania]

I have anxiety. What the fuck? Like, I want to take a shot. I don't drink. I feel like I want to take a shot of something. What the hell is going on here?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What an episode. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. The entire thing. There wasn't even a moment of reprieve.

[Dolores Catania]

Not for a second.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, not even for a second. Just to give a little life update to you guys. I had my immunotherapy yesterday and they did my scans and at this point there is no detectable cancer.

[Dolores Catania]

What?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh my God. Oh, I'm so. Teddy, stop it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, so I still need to stay on immunotherapy for another year.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I'm so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I'm not considered an admission or anything like that.

[Dolores Catania]

Carry on after this, the episode. Oh, Teddy. Oh my.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know.

[Dolores Catania]

So. I wish I could hug you. I love you. Thank you for telling me that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, of course.

[Dolores Catania]

My breath away.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I. And then when they told me I was in such shock, I was like numb.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh my goodness.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I'm still going to be having days where I'm feeling sick and stuff because I still am in immunotherapy, so I'm still fighting because you have to be. It's it the way they said it works. It's like a year, then two years, then at three years you're allowed to be considered in remission and remission, so. But that was huge news.

[Dolores Catania]

You did it, girl. You did it. You didn't Give up one day. You fought harder than anybody I know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So, wow.

[Dolores Catania]

That's such good news. I'm so happy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Thank you. So all the tumors continued to shrink and everything. So it's. It's been good. It's a good day.

[Dolores Catania]

God is good.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's a good day. Until we have to recap Real Housewives of Orange county away.

[Dolores Catania]

Do we really have to muddy up this? Just clock and call it a day. Right now. Nothing good is coming out of this episode.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. Well, it starts out a couple days after Temecula. Shannon texted Tamara that she was thinking about me, and she also sent treatment programs for cancer. Tamara thought maybe it was an olive branch. Do you think it was an olive branch, or do you think it was just her being nice?

[Dolores Catania]

I think it was just her being nice.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, me too.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I don't think it was an olive branch. I don't see any type of her wanting to be. I just don't see it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm not seeing any branches of any sort from anybody here. Nobody here was holding any wood.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no. It was. It was something. It was a way to get something to you that she wanted you to have. Yeah. It wasn't. Hey, Tamara. Hope you're doing well. Can you. You know, I was thinking about Teddy. It was. Right. I mean, you know, you've been on my mind. Would you mind, please, sending this to Teddy? It was nothing about Tamara. It was all about you, so. And olive branches. Hey. Hope you're doing well.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know you've been going through a hard time. I've been thinking about you and. And so.

[Dolores Catania]

And then say that. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

No. Not having it. No. I'm so happy for you. What the kids say. Do they know yet?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The kids are like. Well, mainly it's just slate that really understands.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But it's kind of, you know, been good and bad because her Nationals are this week in Washington, D.C. and I couldn't go, you know, because people think just because, you know, the cancer's gone that I can't still get sick or whatever. But it's. I'm still in treatment, so I still have a compromised immune system, so I have to still be careful.

[Dolores Catania]

How long is the treatment?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

For the treatment? They said, you know, another couple of years.

[Dolores Catania]

All right, so do it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

If anybody can do this, you can.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. You'll be there and get through it.

[Dolores Catania]

More things. You'll get through it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'll get through it. Then Tamara tells Eddie she is not happy with Heather. She feels Heather doesn't take doesn't take sides and should stick up for her. Do you feel Heather is a good friend to Tamara?

[Dolores Catania]

So I think that she has been a good friend to Tamara. However, if I had to just only see this episode, I would say this wasn't the greatest friend episode. If I was judging it on just this episode, I'd say no.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. But I would also say that this kind of feels like Tamra was taking it out on who she was closest with, which is what we tend to do.

[Dolores Catania]

We all tend to do it. Yeah. But she. She was mad at Heather in a previous episode also.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And Heather was mad at her in a previous episode.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Yeah. So I think as friends, I don't see them breaking up. I see. I. But I do see them having. Going through a hard time in a relationship right now. I don't. I don't see an end to this. I. I mean, I don't see, like, oh, this is like, they're dumb.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. No, I don't. I don't either. And I think they're going to start getting closer again, too.

[Dolores Catania]

What if this season is over? They need a break.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think once they get on the.

[Dolores Catania]

Trip.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think once they get on the trip, once there's no more. I'm quitting. Once there's no more Muddy Waters, I think they're going to start bonding again.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. And they will. I think that their past relationship was strong enough to get them through this. This is just a bump in the road.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Then Shannon tells Heather that her name came up in Temecula on the trip, and Gina said she didn't see Heather as a comedian or doing improv. Heather is hurt by not feeling supported.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, so what?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why can't they just be supportive of something that she's doing?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, they can be, but they're not. They're catty women. They're catty, and they're being catty to her. And I don't think that she should be that upset, especially from where it's coming from.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I think I would probably be upset about something like that. I think it would probably hurt my feelings if I, like, if I told you tomorrow I'm going to start taking dance classes, but that. You're laughing at me.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, but that's me. Right? And I have to say, like, Gina would. Nobody would like it if it was done to them. However, I'm so cynical. I'm such a cynical that I expect that, like, I wouldn't be like, oh, my God, I'm so shocked they said that about Me, you know, but could.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You imagine what Gina would have thought if she said that about her real estate career?

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, she would have not liked it the way. The same way Heather didn't like it. But, you know, I. I hope Heather now shows them up and shows them how wrong they are.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, the way that she did her sing moan, sex thing, I'd say the improv classes are working.

[Dolores Catania]

Sure.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Can you do a sex moan laugh?

[Dolores Catania]

Can you? No, I'm trying to think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're like, hold on, let me work on it.

[Dolores Catania]

No, I've seen very good ones, though.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Sex and moan. All I could think of.

[Dolores Catania]

I can't do all three.

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[Dolores Catania]

You'Re asking. I'm like, that's a triple threat. I cannot. What am I, ventriloquist too?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're like, hold on. How am I supposed to do any of this?

[Dolores Catania]

This is so stupid.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then this next part made me nervous. Also gave me anxiety. Jen takes her son to go get a tattoo. Jen's ex husband sat their kids down and told okay before.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The entire scene was scary to watch. But Jen talks about how their ex husband sat them down and told Ryan as the one who took their mom. However, now they like Ryan and they feel like he's a supportive guy, which from what we've seen, he is a good stepdad to them or a future stepdad.

[Dolores Catania]

He is. And, and she's crazy for him. She is a wild about this guy. Like, I mean, I don't. I'm happy that she could feel that way about someone good for her. But I felt bad for the kids because I thought I give them credit for standing their own ground on how they made their own opinion about Ryan. Yeah, and he earned it. He said they were like, listen, we found out for ourselves. And Ryan said in the beginning, which is very big of him, I'll earn them and I'll work on having them like me. And you know, for me it means a lot when somebody's good to the kids. That says a lot about who he is, regardless of whatever else may be going on there. You know, it's a lot for somebody in that position to put anything on the kids. So I just, I felt bad because them saying that, I hope they didn't feel guilty and I hope their dad didn't get mad at them by the nice things they said about Ryan.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I hope so too. I hope so.

[Dolores Catania]

I was thinking that, I was like, he's gonna bust their balls when he sees this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I Know, what is he gonna say? What is he gonna think?

[Dolores Catania]

But, you know, if he said that in the beginning, he's probably gonna say something to them for saying nice things about it. I just hope he doesn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They're nice.

[Dolores Catania]

They seem like nice men.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, it really made me. My heart race when he's getting the tattoo. I mean, it was so scary to watch when he starts to, like, seized.

[Dolores Catania]

During fainting, and that happens when people faint, and I forget that. It makes me. It made me very nervous. She, of course, got nervous. And I hate for him to go to boot camp at the Marine Corps. I have family. My brother is a Marine. My father's a Marine. I tried to join the Marines. My parents wouldn't let me because I'm a girl. But they're gonna bust his chops when he gets there from this scene. If they know anything about this, I feel bad for this guy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How would you feel about getting tattoos and taking them?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't. About my kids getting tattoos.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And bringing them for it. I don't do that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I didn't think you would.

[Dolores Catania]

I saw my daughter had a bird tattoo on her ankle. I almost punched her teeth in. I'm, like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Feeling. You would be the mom to take somebody to get a tattoo.

[Dolores Catania]

No. Anyway, my son would pass out just like he did. My son's in finance. He's not even going into the Marines, and he passes out when he gets shots. I'm not taking him, definitely. My daughter had to do it behind my back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And then it was a surprise.

[Dolores Catania]

I was like, what is. What is that? And I was like, don't do it. Do not do it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I had a friend, right? When we graduated high school, she got a tattoo on her butt, and her mom came in and saw it, and so she went in to go get it taken out, but they were like, oh, we can't laser it off. So the mom goes, okay, then just cut it out.

[Dolores Catania]

Did they? Oh, my God. Holy shit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, with the colors, we can't laser it off. Okay, then you can just cut it off.

[Dolores Catania]

Good mom.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Cut it off.

[Dolores Catania]

Good woman.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She was not kidding around.

[Dolores Catania]

That is so hysterical.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. Beyond, Emily's really in the mix here. Emily tells Tamara that she was surprised by what Gretchen was saying because it was not on brand with how she likes to portray herself with the Christian behavior. Emily says in la, her and Slade had a prayer moment before getting in the car. And Tamara says she is hiding behind Jesus.

[Dolores Catania]

The Jesus curtain. Do I think that. I mean, I don't know a lot about Gretchen, to be honest with you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The only thing I know about Gretchen is things that have happened over 10 years ago.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. She's just coming back after. Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But she's come back and she's only brought back the past.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I mean. I mean, I know a lot of people. Christian, Catholic, all. All different religions. And, you know, people that go as far as to have a prayer out before they get in the car, which is beautiful. A family prayer. Kind of don't go on like that. Like Amy Van Horn, her husband used to be a basketball player. She was a Catholic from Utah. Right. And they came because he was playing for somebody in the area. He was on a professional basketball team. And she was standing outside the school, and her daughter came out and said, mama, this boy's picking on me. And instead of me, like me coming from Patterson, going to confront his mother and, you know, tripping the kid when he comes out of school. The animal that I was back then, Amy Van Horn said, the Christian person she is will pray for him, that he has a better day. I don't see that in Gretchen. I learned a lot from Amy Van Horn, and if she ever hears this, thank you for that. I don't see a lot of that in Gretchen.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So whatever she seems like she has so much, like, residual anger.

[Dolores Catania]

She does. Which is the. The core to the religion she speaks of is about forgiveness.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Which it makes it hard for me to like. It makes it hard for me to believe one. It's hard for me to believe her in general because we didn't talk about this last week because we weren't on together. But the fact that she's gone back and forth on all the things that she. Like she said, you know, I didn't bring up the guy. But she did bring up the guy. It wasn't just Slade.

[Dolores Catania]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She brought it up in the car. Then she says, I didn't go to the hospital. But then she said she did go to the hospital. Like, it's just so repetitive on her going back and forth. And I'm like, do you either a have a terrible memory or, baby, you're.

[Dolores Catania]

Just an asshole when you're telling the truth, you don't have to remember anything.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right. That's true.

[Dolores Catania]

So.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's very true. But.

[Dolores Catania]

Your story doesn't change when it's the truth.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's pretty easy to remember when it's the truth.

[Dolores Catania]

And I, you know, I'm not anyone to. To speak on what's in somebody's heart or what they believe in or what their religion is. I'm not speaking on her behalf on that. I'm not doing it at all. Not saying she's not a good Christian. I'm not saying. I'm only saying what I see. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I agree. Then Emily says during the game at Heather's sleepover, she and Heather both pick Tamara. When they asked who they trust the least, she worries if Tamara gets mad, she will look something up. Emily tells Tamara she can't have clean hands all the time and make everyone else the villain. I don't think I've ever seen worse timing in my life. Like, hey, Tamara, party looks great, by the way. Everybody, before everybody gets here, I'm gonna let you know that we trust you the least.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, we trust you the least. And even your best friend on the show at this moment said the same thing. So what I want to say to that is, first of all, that's Tamara's house is beautiful. So nice. The party looked amazing. Tamara looked adorable in her skirt. And it was. Looked like a very cheerful, happy party to be. We had, I feel like, because the timing was so bad that Emily just wanted to get it the fuck over.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She just wanted to get it done with immediately.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she ripped off the band aid.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's like, I don't. I got to do this here. I got to do this.

[Dolores Catania]

I got to drink my poison because I got to tell her and I want to get it over with right now. And it was so weird because she's standing there, the poor cake lady, with her gluten free cake. She wanted to probably shove her face in the bowl. I'm an anxiety eater. I would have been like. It just made it tense the rest of the evening. Could we not have actually gotten on with the party and maybe had this powwow outside around the fire pit after.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The cakes were done?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, to some extent. Let's see the cake. Why does it have to be right on? Like, let's just make this an awkward party, an awkward moment. And it was awkward because you know what? You should have left after you said that because now Tamara runs out of the room. You shouldn't. She's like, this isn't my house. I'm not sure what to do right now. Like, couldn't we have at least got it going? At least got the project going. It puts Tamara on defense at her own house.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it puts her completely on the defense. She's now going to have to have a conversation with Heather and it kind of felt like a pile on.

[Dolores Catania]

It Did. And that's why I feel like I would have liked to had the mood of the party, get going a little bit. But I really. I don't know if Emily was told to do that or Emily decided, like, I gotta get this over with because I'm shitting my pants that I have to tell Tamara this, and.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But she could have just told Tamara about herself. Why did she have to also tell her about what Heather said?

[Dolores Catania]

Like, if she wanted to sit on camera.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, but if she was just coming clean on how she felt.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So, you know, and then Tamara runs out. That's 101. She can't keep running out of these scenes. No, I don't want to see it anymore. She has to stop. She's been around long enough. She can stand her ground, and she could fight and she could go against anybody. She ran out of every single fight. I know she doesn't have a lot left in her. There's a lot going on in her life at the time as well. Who knows better than you what it is? But she can't keep running out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

No one likes to see that, because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then she runs out, and then they are all sitting around awkwardly, not having the conversations that they need to ultimately have.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, grown woman. Grown women can't keep running out of fights.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

And. And unfortunately, I think Tamara would agree. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think probably watching it, this was probably a very hard episode to watch back.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. And so was last week and the week before.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I saw this with Portia this year, too. Coming back after being gone for so long, she ran out of a lot of fights, and towards the end, she stopped. Somebody must have had a talk with her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, enough. Yeah, enough. Well, Tamara says she talked to the wife of the artist she allegedly slept with. And the wife gave Tamara a screenshot that said Jen Pedrante just followed her husband. Do you think Jen.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm confused, Teddy. Can you explain what this means? Okay, well, not like Tamara bringing out something that. Like, they were just accusing her of this. And then. This is bad timing, too. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, I think what happened was. So Jen hears the story. It's not bleeped out in real life. So she knows the actual name of the person. Jen hears the story and then immediately goes and follows this guy on social media.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, why do I think in my head she's following him in a car.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why did I.

[Dolores Catania]

What's wrong with me? No, what is actually wrong?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, she follows him on social media, and the. Tamara has the proof.

[Dolores Catania]

I just went back to 1988. Okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Which ends up irritating me later when Jen just can't be like, yeah, I followed him because I want to know everything that goes down.

[Dolores Catania]

One thing. I've seen Tamara actually own most of what she's like, yeah, I did. Yeah, I did it. Does she do, like. Don't make me look like an asshole here. Does she always take accountability? I. You can't always agree what she does, but you can agree that she caught. She. She owns it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. She's like, yeah, I printed it out. I don't remember. I wouldn't remember. So I wanted to remember. This was at 5.33p.

[Dolores Catania]

I have a bad short term memory. Yeah, I printed it out. And I made a poster board. I'm gonna bring it to the reunion in an envelope in case I forget. I'll have a. I'll have a couple copies in case I lose one. So. So what does Jen say? She can't say. She can't deny it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She pretty much was just like, well, I didn't know who it was and I wanted just like a wormy response. But she hasn't even confronted her yet. Because first Tamara brings up that Heather believes Gretchen's lies. And Heather says Gretchen believes what she says when she speaks. It is her truth. Can we talk about her truth in general? When people say your truth, I can.

[Dolores Catania]

Tell you what I think it is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Go ahead.

[Dolores Catania]

In my thing, my definition of her truth is what in her mind she thought really happened, which I just said about Gertie in the last episode where she looked at everybody saying, no one stuck up for me. And then they showed a clip that Gertie asked to show where people were saying it was wrong.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

At the table. But in her mind, when all that was going on, she had tunnel vision and didn't see anybody sticking up for her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay. When someone says my truth, they are usually referring to their personal beliefs, opinions, and perceptions, which are based on their own experiences and perspective, even if those views are not objectively or universally true.

[Dolores Catania]

Correct? Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. So that's the.

[Dolores Catania]

Doesn't mean it's true.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Doesn't mean it's true. So I don't want to hear your truth.

[Dolores Catania]

Your. Your brain plays tricks on you all the time. We can all be guilty of remembering how something happened, or you could just be a flat out fucking liar.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, what about just saying the truth here?

[Dolores Catania]

How about just say. How about just owning it? How about you saying, that's what I did. I followed the guy because I wanted information about you. That's what I Did.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Granted, it's not going to look the best, but whatever. But then Tamara tells everybody she spoke with Katie and is planning to meet with her. Something in her gut tells her that Gretchen told Katie that Tamara drugged her and went to the hospital. Emily now says she is hurt that Tamara is meeting up with her. How do you feel about Emily being upset at Tamara for meeting with Katie?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think Emily should be upset with Tamra. I think Tamara needs disclosure and needs to know this and it's got nothing to do with Emily. She's not meeting Emily. I mean, she's not meeting Katie to become friends with her. She's not meeting Katie to go against Emily or find something out about Emily. She's meeting her for herself and something that she needs to know for sure.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, and Tamara made an excellent point in that when they were all fine to sit around with Gretchen, who was saying Tamara drugged her. And also that Tamara had an affair but she can't meet with Katie.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, like I'm so like not into that. Like, I'm not buying that she can meet with Katie as she did yesterday and post it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I didn't even see that she did then. Too much for that.

[Dolores Catania]

And anyway, you guys all. Don't you what he's all worried about? So what if she meets with Katie and then Katie turns on her? That's on her. Yeah, that's her care. If she wants to meet, she wants more information.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because clearly Gretchers, which clearly Gretchers isn't being honest.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, there's not one person there that would not do that for their own information. Yeah, sorry. And I feel like how come I didn't ask Tamara if Katie told her what she needed to know?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

You'll get the information.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'll get it. I'll get it for us.

[Dolores Catania]

Then will you text me or contaminants. Can someone tell me was it at a productive lunch? That's all I want to know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What she needed.

[Dolores Catania]

Did she get? Was it worth the abuse that she took going however Tamara should sit there and say, none of you fucking guys trust me anyway. So what do I have to lose here, friend? Yeah, because when you're my friend, there is no more. Nothing offends me more than you telling me you don't trust me. Then somebody that doesn't trust me. I'm offended because guess what? If you're accusing me of that, maybe I shouldn't trust you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then Tamara tells Heather that this is the last time she will film after what Heather did to her. Tamara says Emily told her Heather doesn't trust her. Heather says she is hurt by her she brings up the ground links conversation and she brings up the comments about her dad.

[Dolores Catania]

The about how. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And how that's what she was meaning.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you believe that I believe that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Heather was trying to share a moment with Tamara about her family and how she's affected. And as much as I hate to use the word triggered by certain responses.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I don't know that I necessarily believe she would have said that Tamara is the person she trusts the least. If Tamara what had been sitting there.

[Dolores Catania]

She said it pretty freely.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

She didn't hesitate. She didn't say oh geez, let me think about it. She just I knew I think I don't find a lot of things Heather did so really horrible this season. And you can agree I think Tamara was very sensitive and I felt like I think she felt she was on an island by herself. I think Heather tried at times to really be there for her, but this whole thing rubbed me the wrong way.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I didn't like it either. I did not like it one bit. And I felt like it was mean. It was mean.

[Dolores Catania]

What I would have said to everybody there is, you know what? I love all you girls, but there isn't one here, sitting here, that I would actually want to share my deepest darkness with. Because at some point, you're probably going to turn on me. And if I piss you off, you'll. Anybody will probably bring it up. And everybody has shown to do that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. There was an easy way to answer that question without singling out one person.

[Dolores Catania]

There was a diplomatic way.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Correct.

[Dolores Catania]

And. And if somebody cared enough to give it some thought, I think she was. I'm going to tell you the truth. I think she was mad at Tamara when she said that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I think she's holding some grudges for her. Yelling at her and, you know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Because I do think Tamara and Heather are close.

[Dolores Catania]

They are close. And I think that. I think that Heather is holding some resentment towards Tamara, and that's why she said it so easily. She might believe it and she might mean it. I could be wrong, but I think that Heather finds other ways to answer things without giving actual answer. And I think she could have done it here, too. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She could have actually done it a lot differently because I think it just started the whole evening off wrong. It made everything. This is a hard episode for us to even talk about, guys. And we love to talk.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I'm told you. I didn't. I. I'm so happy to see you. I was not interested in talking about this episode right now, but we started off with the best news ever, so how bad could it be from here after. After hearing that you're okay? Everything else is very trivial to me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, thank you. Thank you. Then Gina and Heather sit down to continue their conversation. Heather wants to be surrounded by people who emotionally support her and thought that that was Gina. Gina apologizes. I will say Gina going up against Heather and making Heather work a little for her check this season, even though Heather did have a right to be upset.

[Dolores Catania]

So I'm gonna tell you why Gina got so offended, because Gina was like, why do you. So why is it when I do it, it's so bad? Why do you come hard on me when everybody else sitting there was saying it? And she's not wrong, but she was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The one kind of saying it the most.

[Dolores Catania]

She was. She's like, I don't think she's funny. I just don't think. Who thinks she's funny? Like, I don't think she's funny. Like, that's what Gina was saying, not me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I was like, but she does know that she was like a sitcom actor and she knew those things. And if she wants to better herself and she wants to go in and do something new, like there could have been a bet. They could have made one little comment like, oh, that's interesting. Never thought she was that funny, but.

[Dolores Catania]

Obviously I can't believe it. Hey, listen.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I think anybody who's smart and witty could be a comedian. I think you have to have a brain, which I think Heather has. She could be witty and I think that she'll be just fine. I mean, she's been in the game a while. We forget because she's on the Housewife. She did do this stuff.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And she did have to audition to get into the Groundlings.

[Dolores Catania]

Exactly.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So it's not like they just let anybody in.

[Dolores Catania]

So you know what, Heather, I'm going to let you know that I will come to one of your shows when you become a comedian.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Only one?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I've never gone to see Luann's show. There's a few shows I've never gone to see. But I am going to go out on the limb, Heather, and tell you that I will even fly to come see you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay. I love it. I love it.

[Dolores Catania]

Only if you make up with Tamara, because I'm not getting Tamara mad at me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, nobody wants that. Then Tamara brings up the screenshots to the group. Jen initially denies following him for nefarious reasons, but in her confessional, she says she was hoping the guy would say something once he saw Jen follow him. The fact that Jen tried to make an issue out of the screenshot being printed and waiting until her talking head to admit she wanted info like, your mask is slipping, Jen. Like, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen.

[Dolores Catania]

Come on. I don't know that Jen can handle being a housewife. A well rounded housewife. Like, she could handle getting like piled up on. But I don't know that she's tough enough to come back because she doesn't handle it well. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, because she just doesn't in the moment. She doesn't fight back.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. She doesn't fight back in the moment. And then when she goes and tries to do something, it just. She looks bad.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And then you're like, she can't handle It.

[Dolores Catania]

She can't handle it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She can't.

[Dolores Catania]

You're not a fighter, Jen.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So just be what you are.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Just right.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Or just to say, like, yeah, that's what I did.

[Dolores Catania]

I did it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I did do it and I wanted to see why. I wanted to stalk him. But you can stalk somebody without following them.

[Dolores Catania]

And anyway, duh, get a fucking Finster.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, but you don't even need that. It's not like he's private. He's a public figure, so you can just go on his page and look.

[Dolores Catania]

Duh.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What did he think? She, like, she was hoping he was going to reach out to her.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, yeah. Let me reach out to you about something, you know, ridiculous. Some ridiculous nonsense that I don't want any part of. Gossip. Like what?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That makes no sense.

[Dolores Catania]

That's why I'm saying it's like amateur moves, Jen. Don't be something you're not. Don't try to be tough. It's not gonna work.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then we watch a lot of awkward cake making, which I was surprised by some, how some of the cakes turned out looking so good.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. You know, that's a really. A little thing I would have enjoyed. That's why I was mad that she had a run in when she walked in. Emily, couldn't we get the cake shit going?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Get the cake shit going, then fight outside later with some champs?

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's what we needed.

[Dolores Catania]

I went over whose cake was better. Let's start with that fight and then digress onto the real problems.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, we don't need all that. Then Tamara starts crying to Heather about how Heather can't trust her. And Heather feels like Tamara gets angry when she talks about her feelings. And then Tamara says she's dealing with a difficult thing and Heather is not helping. Heather says they should talk about it at another time. And Tamara says, have a great season. Walks off upstairs, Tam, no more walking off and quitting no more.

[Dolores Catania]

That's it. We. You know, Tamara, this isn't. This isn't how we do things. This isn't how we get things done.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

So.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So all in all, what do we even have to say about this episode?

[Dolores Catania]

It sucked.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it really sucks.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't really have a lot to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Say except that, no, this was a painful episode to r. Everything about it sucked.

[Dolores Catania]

The poor kid going to the Marines, fainting when he's getting insane. Like, we can't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There wasn't one moment where I was like, ooh, this makes me so happy. The entire thing sucked.

[Dolores Catania]

It's sucked. It just, everything about it really just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, even Emily's son thought it sucked because they didn't deliver his cheese pizza. They gave him pepperoni. He thought it sucked too.

[Dolores Catania]

He agreed. So, yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So, you know, sorry about it. We thought.

[Dolores Catania]

It's okay. I hope the next episode you could. You're only as good as your last episode. So we have some more to go before the reunion. Reunion hasn't filmed yet and we'll see what happens. But we need some redemption from this episode. Hate to tell you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, for sure we do. We do. Thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod. We appreciate you guys.

[Dolores Catania]

We appreciate you. Thank you.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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