She’s Rich, Honey (RHOBH Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: “She’s Rich, Honey” (RHOBH Recap)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Hosts: Tamra Judge, Teddi Mellencamp (with special co-host Alexis Jansen/Bose)
Episode Date: December 12, 2025
Focus: Recap and discussion of the latest episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), with inside perspective from two ex-Housewives.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the recent RHOBH episode, unpacking the drama, relationships, and cast developments with Tamra Judge and guest co-host Alexis Jansen (aka “Bose”). The conversation is a candid, often hilarious blend of personal critique, inside baseball from former Housewives, and a relatable take on everything from holiday mayhem to divorce and “money talk” among the Beverly Hills elite.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Updates & Holidays

• Hectic Holiday Schedules: The episode starts with Tamra and Bose catching up on post-BravoCon life, navigating blended family holidays, and teens’ birthday season.
  • “We have like four birthdays between—For all the kids and his between October, November, December. So that's why we didn't take a honeymoon…” — Bose (05:12)
• Blending Family Traditions: Both discuss the challenges of merging family holiday traditions with new spouses and older children.

2. RHOBH Recap – The Amanda (New Housewife) Discussion

• Initial Impressions: The new housewife (Amanda) is introduced, sparking strong opinions.
  • “I don't know if I'm gonna, like... I'm throwing that out there right now. I don't know.” — Tamra on Amanda (15:11)
• Money Queen & Bragging: Amanda is quickly labeled the “money queen,” prompting questions about the origins of her wealth.
  • “The bragging of money?” — Tamra (15:39)
  • “I wanted to ask you … She says it was from her book. Did she make that much money that you can buy a home in Bel Air from one sale of one book?” — Bose (15:41)
• Family Dynamics: Both hosts dig into Amanda’s blended family, questioning how she refers to her stepchildren and where all the kids “come from.”
  • “I think it's a slippery slope ... don't say you're raising these kids unless the mother is not that's involved.” — Tamra (40:11)

3. The Mauricio & Kyle Separation

• On-Camera Divorce Realness: The group discusses Kyle’s encounter with Mauricio at his new “bachelor pad,” bringing towels and slippers for their daughters—sparking conversation about their dynamic.
  • “Could you imagine having this conversation on camera with your ex?” — Tamra (24:46)
• Public vs. Private Pain: The issue of keeping certain elements of one’s divorce private is a recurring theme.
  • “There are certain things that you just don't want to be always, like, just out there...” — Bose (21:03)
  • “...she's being discreet about it.” — Bose (21:39)
• Media Scrutiny: Both hosts share insights into how press coverage can intensify breakups.
  • “...how do you get back together with somebody who you've seen in the press with girls, legs wrapped around their waist, making out...” — Tamra (19:24)

4. Dorit & PK’s Divorce – Finances and Co-Parenting

• Financial Struggles: Dorit’s revelation about not receiving financial support from PK results in shock and sympathy.
  • “She says she gets no money from PK and had to find new attorney, manager, business partner, etc...I don't understand, like, why is he not paying for anything?” — Tamra (32:11)
  • “My mouth is on the floor. Especially if she's got the kids full time…” — Bose (32:11)
• Court System Frustrations: Both criticize the slow-moving, often broken family law system. (33:00-33:12)

5. Erika & Sutton Spa Day / Erika’s Struggle with Tom

• Surprising Reconciliation: Erika and Sutton’s visit to the spa marks a thaw in their historically bumpy relationship.
  • “It was nice to see them hang out together.” — Tamra (27:43)
• Processing Betrayal and Grief: Discussion of Erika’s heartbreak over Tom’s decline and legal issues.
  • “Erica says that she's absolutely heartbroken about Tom, especially thinking about him going to prison and potentially dying in prison... She doesn't know if she's going to see him.” — Tamra (28:16)
  • “I think there's got to be some deep down, like, just so hurt and pissed off, like, you don't want to be—you don't even want to see that person.” — Tamra (29:04)

6. Amanda’s Wealth, Legal Issues, and Birkin Bags

• The Money Question: Skepticism runs strong as Tamra and Bose speculate about Amanda’s ‘manifested’ wealth and past legal issues.
  • “If you're going to be the money queen, you better show up with the forty thousand dollar, the seventy thousand dollar Birkin bag.” — Tamra (42:30)
  • “There was a mug shot ... a little bit of legal issues when in the past.” — Tamra (43:02, 49:36)
  • “That's the first time I've ever seen you sit back and not actually just say what's already out there.” — Bose (49:47)

7. Key Party Scene: Sip-and-Draw

• Nude Model Drawing Hilarity: Much amusement at a party where Housewives sketch nude male models.
  • “Each girl had their own wiener to draw. And, I mean, I don't really have any complaints.” — Tamra (46:27)
  • “I actually kind of thought Erica's penis was good because that's what made me think, should I draw—should I try to draw a penis? Because I don't even know if I could…” — Bose (54:53)
  • “Based on Kyle's drawing, she hasn't seen a wiener in quite a while.” — Tamra (55:04)

8. Kyle’s Secret Romance & Closure

• Kyle Opens Up: The final segment brings a vulnerable scene between Kyle and Erika. Kyle reveals she was seeing someone, but due to the other person’s desire for privacy, she kept quiet. The relationship ended.
  • “She gets a little teary eyed and she said she wanted to weather the storm, but the other person did not.” — Tamra (57:17)
  • “I think that it would be best if she just told all of them that so they'd shut the up.” — Tamra (57:35)
  • “If you're trying to make a relationship work ... the person that she was dating realized there's no way this is going to stay quiet forever.” — Bose (57:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Birkin Brag Battle

  • “Even though you have a Birkin bag—”
  • “I have four.” — Bose (14:03)

• On Kids and Divorce

  • “You shouldn't talk bad about the other parent. I don't care what happens, especially in the public eye.” — Bose (22:47)

• On Drawing “Wieners”

  • “I mean, I'm surprised we've never seen this on Housewives. Or have we? And I just blocked it out.” — Tamra (46:21)

• On Amanda’s Age

  • “The girl's face is when Amanda says she was born in 1985. My son was born in 1985. So it was like, holy...” — Tamra (47:16)

• Tamra on Openness & Fame

  • “I am so such an open book...I wish I was a little bit more guarded. I'm learning to be that way.” — Tamra (59:19)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Tamra & Bose catch up: family, holidays (04:00–08:00)
• RHOBH Episode recap begins (13:42)
• Amanda’s intro & skepticism (15:10–16:32)
• House talk: Rachel’s house, style (16:36–17:13)
• Mauricio & Kyle’s separation scenes (24:09–25:47)
• Erika & Sutton spa day, Erika on Tom (27:00–30:23)
• Party / Sip-and-Draw scene (Housewives sketch nude models) (46:00–55:04)
• Kyle opens up to Erika about her breakup (55:24–57:59)

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Final Thoughts

This episode offered incisive, tongue-in-cheek commentary on the wild world of RHOBH, blending real empathy for women navigating messy divorces and family drama with plenty of sharp observations (“If you're going to be the money queen, you better show up with the forty thousand dollar Birkin bag.” — Tamra). The show remains a great place for both fans and casual viewers to get a fun, unfiltered look at both the Housewives franchise and the personalities of ex-Housewives themselves.

Bottom line:
A juicy and entertaining listen for any RHOBH fan wanting the inside scoop, some laughs, and a few eyebrow-raising moments on the personal lives and financial mysteries of the Beverly Hills cast.

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Summary by AI Podcast Summarizer. For a complete breakdown and more inside scoops, listen to the full episode!

Transcript

[Tamara T]

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[Tamara T]

Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two T's in the Pod. And today I have a special co host, one of my good friends, Alexis Jansen.

[Bose]

Why'd you say that with such.

[Tamara T]

Well, I wasn't sure. Is that what you're going by nowadays?

[Bose]

I am, but, Tamara, I'm doing. I'm slow rolling it like you did. You said three years.

[Tamara T]

I'm kind of three years, but my kids were little, so it's kind of hard when you. You have a different last name than your kids do in school.

[Bose]

And to be honest, it's the DMV and all the other.

[Tamara T]

Oh, yeah, Social Security dmv. It's a process.

[Bose]

You know what stinks? I just got my real id. So I just went through all that, and that was under Bolino, and I did it, like, three months ago, so I just got it now. I'm like, why would you do that.

[Tamara T]

If you knew you were getting married?

[Bose]

Because we were traveling and they don't.

[Tamara T]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, you can use the passport.

[Bose]

I know. I just. I just was like, you know what? And John got turned away, though, when he was coming to Bravo.

[Tamara T]

Yeah.

[Bose]

He got turned away with his passport. So why?

[Tamara T]

Was it expired?

[Bose]

Yes, but his. His ID is not, but.

[Tamara T]

Oh, yeah, you have to have a.

[Bose]

Valid two years that you can still use your expired passport.

[Tamara T]

I didn't know that.

[Bose]

He's. He needs to get on top of it anyway. I'm like, that was just a sign.

[Tamara T]

Oh, geez. Okay. What have you been doing since Bravo Con.

[Bose]

Oh, my gosh. I don't.

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[Bose]

I feel like the holidays we have like four birthdays between. For all the kids and his between November, October, November, December. So that's why we didn't take a honeymoon is because there's just so many birthdays. My twins 18th birthday just happened.

[Tamara T]

Oh my gosh. Everybody's legal now in your household, but everybody's legal.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Bose]

I mean, not with alcohol though. And I'm not the mom that lets them drink.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But yeah.

[Bose]

Oh my gosh. It's just been busy. It's been, you know, the holidays. It's super fun. Your trees up, right? Tell me your trees up my.

[Tamara T]

I got my tree up early this year. I normally am like in December sometime, but I had it up the day before Thanksgiving.

[Bose]

Wow, so you're one of those kind of people.

[Tamara T]

No, I'm not normally one of those types of people. I just was in the spirit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara T]

So I still. Yeah. So yeah. So what do you get? You guys doing anything special for the holidays?

[Bose]

It's just we're still trying to juggle the whole. Like there's six kids and they've had their traditions. For XY years. My kids have had our tradition. So we're trying to figure out. It is not easy. We are trying to blend it and make it work. But it's super exciting because I'm not giving up Christmas morning. It's been my thing. I make my. My 18. 18 and 19 year olds come up to the top of the stairs and still run down for that one video though they're adults and they're like as tall as the ceilings now. I mean, I'm like, no, you're still doing it. Run to the stockings. So.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Bose]

Or here.

[Tamara T]

Well, we're trying to figure that out now. I think that we will probably spend from. We'll probably be in Orange county for Christmas and then after Christmas, maybe even that day, who knows, we might go to Big Bear from Christmas to New Year's and hang out there.

[Bose]

Does anything happen in Big Bear on New Year's or you just want to hibernate and that's why you want.

[Tamara T]

Dude, I don't do anything on New Year's. I don't remember the last time I did something on New Year's. A couple years ago we had a bunch of people over to the house. It was like last minute we were out to dinner and then before we knew it, people that we knew from Orange county and Big Bear, they all ended up at our house. But I'm not a big New Year's Eve party girl.

[Bose]

I agree with that. I don't like going out. It's kind of like Valentine's Day. It's like the amateur for the amateurs kind of thing. But my girlfriend is actually opening her Palm Desert home, which has several bedrooms, and having like a. An adult sleepover kind of thing. So we're trying to decide if we're going to do that. I don't know if I could, Tim. I don't know if I can leave my house with 18 year olds on New Year's Eve. Not. Not being here. I'm like, they'll be fine.

[Tamara T]

They're good kids.

[Bose]

Hey, I'm glad you say that. But then I open up the trash can and see beers outside or something. Yeah.

[Tamara T]

So Sophia and her boyfriend want to come to Big Bear. We're just hoping for snow. We have. We had some snow a couple of weeks ago, and now it's like 60 degrees. Well, it's photo.

[Bose]

It was snowing.

[Tamara T]

It was. But then it's like 60 degrees now. Like it was 90 degrees in Orange county yesterday.

[Bose]

I changed into shorts.

[Tamara T]

I do. I set out and got a little bit of sun.

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[Tamara T]

So you're gonna recap Beverly Hills with me, are you? Do you normally watch Beverly Hills?

[Bose]

I don't, but I am so glad that I have had all these recaps I'm doing now with it because, girl, they are fabulous. And I just. I. It makes me want to step up my game. It makes me want to go get a little bit more Botox, facial wear, more jewels.

[Tamara T]

Even though you have a Birkin bag.

[Bose]

I have four.

[Tamara T]

Oh, God.

[Bose]

Asshole. Do you want to borrow one?

[Tamara T]

No, I've never had any desire to have a Birkin bag.

[Bose]

I need to dust them off. And mine are the bigger. I only have one of the smaller ones, and I have the Jean Paul Gaudier one that he did for one year. And then I have two of the big ones that are like. Like they. I travel with them.

[Tamara T]

I don't think I've ever seen you sport in a Birkin bag.

[Bose]

Oh, honey, there's a lot of things in the press with me and you with me with my Birkin.

[Tamara T]

Really? Maybe I just didn't work.

[Bose]

They're the same for Birkins. I'm broke since I've been divorced, so I don't. I haven't bought a new one. Okay.

[Tamara T]

You can hold on to those. They're collector items, that's for sure. Do you know any of the ladies from Beverly Hills?

[Bose]

Kyle and I, Yes. We've had cell phones and talked off and on through the. I don't it's like I go up and have lunch with her, but I love her, adore her. Yeah. And who else? Well, I mean, I have Lisa Vanderpump. We've gone out several times to dinner with them when I was married to Jim, back when we were filming. Back then. Something. Newer ones. No. But I'm excited about this season, and I. I love Dorit. I know that it's. I might not be in the popularity of everything.

[Tamara T]

Oh, I like. I like them all.

[Bose]

I like them.

[Tamara T]

I don't know. We got introduced to a new housewife on this episode, Amanda. I don't know if I'm gonna, like. Oh, I'm throwing that out there right now. I don't know. I don't know.

[Bose]

What is. What's got. What's got your hair raised?

[Tamara T]

You know, I get a gut feeling. I'm usually right, so I haven't seen enough of her to judge yet, but I got a little. Little feeling in my gut.

[Bose]

What. But what is it? Like, she hasn't even been on enough for you to, like, judge her? What is it, then?

[Tamara T]

The bragging of money?

[Bose]

Well, honey, you know that they do snippets. She's known as the money queen, and she is the breadwinner, obviously. Which, by the way, I wanted to ask you if you knew. I didn't do any research about this. She says it was from her book. Did she make that much money that you can buy a home in Bel Air from one cell of one book?

[Tamara T]

No, not so. I don't know what else she does. I don't know what else she does, but I just. I don't know. She's gonna have to. I'm gonna have to see more of her. I did go down a little bit of a rabbit hole because she had said. And we'll get to it, that she had four kids and two of them were her stepkids. And so I thought, okay, well. And they were pretty young, 7 and 9. So who. Who are these other two kids? Because she's not married. Did she have these kids with somebody else? Does it?

[Bose]

You're right. She did. We got to get down there.

[Tamara T]

Okay, we'll get to it.

[Bose]

Those are my two. Or didn't even kind of just like, fade it out like that.

[Tamara T]

Yeah, they probably just didn't show it. But it starts out with Bose goes to Rachel's house. Rachel's house is amazing. They had to show that it was a rental, and it's something like 5,000 square feet, and it's got so Many bedrooms and so many bathrooms. And overall, it is my favorite style house. It really is.

[Bose]

So you like that? It's. It's very. It's clean and simple. It's. It's. There's not a lot.

[Tamara T]

It reminds me of my house that I had in Kodo. It's very like, what's that place in New York everybody goes to?

[Bose]

The Guggenheim Museum?

[Tamara T]

No, no, no, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The.

[Tamara T]

Were they vacation? Why can't I think of it? Why am I brain dead right now? The Hamptons. It reminds me of the Hamptons a little bit. That type of that house. But Rachel tells Bows about seeing her ex with another woman in the press.

[Bose]

Well, that's every guy right now. That's Mauricio. That's pk. That's who else got snapped with it. It's like. It's like. I mean, I feel like all the men are just out like, oh, look, we lost our. Our housewife, but we can sure get a 30 year old and put them up in our.

[Tamara T]

Who do you think is the most cringe worthy of the guys right now in the press that are going through a divorce?

[Bose]

I have to be honest. I think it's equal. Because honestly, like, you don't need to be out there flaunting. And by the way, Tamara, you and I have both been in this position where we got divorced and we had children, and mine were young. They did not meet a guy. Any guy that I talked to dated on the phone with nothing until I was their girlfriend, so it didn't matter how long that took. And there was only two. There was Drew and John. Yeah, we've met. And I did date other people in between and all around, up and down and all that. But it's like.

[Tamara T]

Well, we saw. We saw a picture of you and John right off the bat.

[Bose]

Well, that was a friend. We were not. And people were snapping.

[Tamara T]

But you weren't doing anything.

[Bose]

We weren't doing anything. We were not. We were not out there. Just. We were trying to hide at his yacht club. So this doesn't even count. It was somebody at the yacht club that last or took the first one out. And then we made sure we came out with everything before we were out in public, but we would hibernate. So I'm kind of like Kyle, you know, because Kyle said on this, she's like, yes, I dated, but Mauricio, I was discreet about it, you know, like, well, he's not.

[Tamara T]

He's not. He is doing the most.

[Bose]

Who do you think's the most cringe worthy Because I think they're all Mauricio.

[Tamara T]

I don't see. I don't see a lot of pk. I don't know, I. Maybe he's not on my algorithm.

[Bose]

I don't know. But.

[Tamara T]

And I don't follow him. So Mauricio, like constantly with girl and they're always young girls.

[Bose]

He's into the 30 year olds right now. But, you know, I think it's a phase and I will go on my deathbed saying this. I think there's a chance that Mauricio and Kyle could get back together. No one else agrees with me. I'm on an island by my own self. But if you didn't watch her on the couch this episode. I know we're skipping ahead.

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[Tamara T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I hope they do. But how do you get back together with somebody who you've seen in the press with girls, legs wrapped around their waist, making out, going, traveling all over on the slopes with influencers with towels on? Like, I just don't think that I could go backwards.

[Bose]

Like, we're not 25 or 18 anymore. Tam, anyone at our age, there's going to be people that you've gone out with.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're.

[Tamara T]

I don't care if anyone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara T]

We'd be done. We'd be done.

[Bose]

Well, I don't know. I think that. I think that he married at 25. He had a born in child that was not his, that he adopted basically.

[Dirty Rush Host]

And.

[Bose]

And if he's going to. He's doing his party phase right now. He just kind of flipped it instead of doing it at 18 to 22.

[Tamara T]

Now he's doing his 50s.

[Bose]

He's doing it now in his 50s, unfortunately. But hey, I'm not here to judge, okay?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not.

[Tamara T]

I'm here to judge.

[Bose]

I've been very. I'm not going to do it back now.

[Tamara T]

The girls are very concerned with Kyle's dating life and they kind of talk about it and Bose really wants to get in deep about it. Right, but nobody really wants you because they know that Kyle doesn't want it talked about. Should they just leave it alone? Is it okay, Is it okay to not show everything?

[Bose]

What is the exception? I don't get it. Let leave the girl alone. And then when we see the final scene, we kind of comes full circle and we know now why. Right?

[Tamara T]

Well, the reason why is because it's out there in the press. There's pictures out there in the press, but yet no one's talking about. Is talked about. She Shuts it down.

[Bose]

Don't you feel like being in this industry also that there are certain things that you just don't want to be always like, just out there, like.

[Tamara T]

Yes.

[Bose]

And so I just feel like every single woman on that show, as much as every single woman on any of the Housewives shows, understands that we are scrutinized under the public eye and there are things that maybe we don't want aired. So I don't know.

[Tamara T]

There's also things I want aired. They don't air them. So it's like it just goes to show. We have zero control over anything that we do or say.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's right.

[Bose]

So I, I am with you. I feel like they should leave her alone and. And kind of read between the lines, if you know what I mean? Like they're on the show too. They know. So read between the lines of why she's not like she's being discreet about it.

[Tamara T]

Well, Rachel and Bose both question if Kyle is being honest about her dating life. And I think they could read between the lines she doesn't want to talk about it. Now. Rachel is very vocal about Roger, her ex husband. And I. I get a little concerned. This is the second episode both. She's kind of said some things about him that were not very kind. They might be true, but maybe not favorable of him. I worry that he's going to get pissed off and he's going to start retaliating and I keep blocking the kids maybe from filming or things like that. I don't know.

[Bose]

What do you do with you? Because now that it's airing. And I also worry about the kids because I am very careful about.

[Tamara T]

Well, we only see one, two episodes. We've only seen one child. Yes, Adorable. I know he's adorable. We've only seen one. I'm wondering if maybe the other one doesn't want to film.

[Bose]

Maybe so. But also they're old enough to have a phone and be. But my kids were googling me at that age. They're old. Even if they couldn't watch. I didn't let them watch the show, but they googled and so I. I worry because what she is saying can get out there. And I worry about those kids. Like, you shouldn't talk bad about the other parent. I don't care what happens, especially in the public eye.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Tamara T]

It's hard when you're on a reality show and you want to be transparent and want to be upfront about things and yeah, I love Rachel Zoe.

[Sponsor Voice]

I do too.

[Bose]

She's Fabulous.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Tamara T]

Do you remember her back in the day? Because back. Way back when we. When I first started Housewives, we would do a lot of events together. The A list awards and all these different awards. And she was there. She was around at that time. She lived in Bravo back then.

[Bose]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved that line. I didn't. I don't remember it. And I didn't do as many red carpets back then. Cause my kids were very, very little and filming was taking me away from them as much. So I didn't do a lot of what I'm doing now, being out and about, but. And I didn't watch her show, the Rachel.

[Tamara T]

Oh, I did. I loved it. And Brad was on it now.

[Bose]

Yeah. But you know, speaking about her husband, ex husband. Do you like. Did you like him back then on that show? Did you think they're a great couple?

[Tamara T]

Yeah, I thought they were great. I think they were. I thought they were both great.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara T]

Well, Kyle goes over to Mauricio's house. Now, he was living in a condo. And then he. They had a six months he was going to stay there, and then they were going to reevaluate, evaluate. And there was no evaluation at all. None. He just decided, I'm moving into a bachelor pad. So he got a house. Kyle came over. She was like, oh, this is nice. And she brings him towels.

[Bose]

Well, first of all, she's like, don't use these, these slippers on any of your hookers. They're for my daughters. And then she's like, but here's. Here's eight more towels. Even though you only need one because you're a bad.

[Tamara T]

He's like, I just need one. What are you doing? Could you imagine having this conversation on camera with your ex?

[Bose]

I.

[Tamara T]

There's no way this would happen with my ex. There's no way. I. I try. I asked him, you know, can we be friends? Can. Do you want to film together any. No, he would not. He was just. No, no, no, no. So I think it's pretty cool that they can show a different side to separation. They're not divorced. Nobody's filed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But no.

[Bose]

You know what? You're right, because she did say on the couch. This just all just was a light bulb. I can't believe I missed this and didn't think about that. She did say on the couch, in her confessional from that couch conversation, she did say, you know what? I. Mauricio was supposed to stay in the high rise, and then we were going to talk about it. And reevaluate our situation. Because they're separated. You're right. Not divorce.

[Tamara T]

They're not divorced. Yeah. Do you think that Mauricio is rubbing being single in Kyle's face?

[Bose]

No, I don't. And I could see a true friendship between him and a true love. I feel like they got married so young. They kind of grew up together. They had a very fast family, you know, and he is just kind of. He's just doing his thing and he's just loving it right now. And that's why I might be the only human on this planet that feels this, but I will stand by it. I think that there's a chance that they could do their own thing. She's exploring different pools of water. Okay. And he's dating 30 year olds, so there's a chance.

[Tamara T]

How do you come back after that, though?

[Bose]

I don't know. I do. I'm like, okay, like I said, they were young, and now I think that they can go through this for a year or two.

[Tamara T]

But they were together like almost 30 years.

[Bose]

Most long time camera most of their life. That's what I'm saying. You know, there's a lot of husbands or wives that cheat when they're in a 50 or 60 year marriage, that that wife or husband takes that spouse back or, you know, they don't get a divorce and they work through it in therapy or whatever.

[Tamara T]

Yeah.

[Bose]

And it's just a. It's just a sew your oats kind of thing. And then they're back at it. I am sorry, but I will probably die saying that. So we'll see. Well, only a couple of years. We can this in two years.

[Tamara T]

Sutton and Erica go for a spa day, which is a big deal because they haven't always seen eye to eye. Sutton really does seem like a lost puppy. I feel like without Garcelle in the group.

[Bose]

Yeah.

[Tamara T]

I don't know if you watched last season.

[Bose]

I watched the end for the reunion, so I could be.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara T]

So Garcelle ended up quitting the show at the reunion. There's still some questions that haven't been answered. Sutton has been on the show kind of last episode teary eyed, saying she doesn't know what happened. I am a little bit surprised that Erica invited Sutton, you know, because of their rocky history, to go hang out. But it was nice to see them hang out together.

[Bose]

I agree. And this. This show is all about conflict resolution. To Shay, this should have been happening with you and Shannon, which you tried very hard last week on our show. So I Feel like. Good job, Erica. Sutton does need a friend. I don't think Sutton's a bad person. I think she's, she's very curt with her words, but I don't think she's a bad person. And, and I'm glad. I thought they had, it was lovely and how deep they got about the whole Tom thing. And you could tell Erica was just trying not to get too emotional. Like, she's just sitting there, like. Yeah, I just don't know what to do.

[Tamara T]

Erica in general is not a very emotional person, but Erica says that she's absolutely heartbroken about Tom, especially thinking about him going to prison and potentially dying in prison. Prison. She doesn't know if she's going to see him. She doesn't know if she's going to visit him. And if she does, is he going to know who she is? Now, they were together for 20 plus years.

[Bose]

Right. And you know what? I thought, Tam, she would be married to him right now, taking care of him if he didn't get all of the indictments that he, he received. Okay. What I wanted to ask you is, would you go visit him?

[Tamara T]

I think there's got. I, I, I don't know. I. You wouldn't know until you're in her position because of the fact that what he has put her through. You have to understand. Erica is still left with legal mess. She has been left with so much, you know, financial, legal debt, like, it's, it's not good. So I think there's got to be some deep down, like, just so hurt and pissed off, like, you don't want to be, you don't even want to see that person. But then given the circumstances, and she even mentioned, you know, like, the victims, like there's victims that he stole money from. So there's got to be some bitterness in that. But I don't know. I mean, I would like to think that I would want to go see him, but I don't blame her if she doesn't.

[Bose]

I think that with me losing, you know, my two parents, so I was an orphan at 45, 46, I feel like I just have such a relationship with death now that it's like I would need to have closure. I would need to go have that if I knew that last one.

[Tamara T]

I think we can agree that what Tom did was awful. But he was her husband for 20 years. Of course she's going to be upset.

[Bose]

Even know he doesn't even know what's up or down pretty much is what it makes it. They make it sound like. So it's like, you know, but here's the. Here's the scary part, Tim, and what you're right about is it would be really hard to go talk to someone and look them in the eyes knowing you were married to someone for 25 years that was doing this kind of stuff that you had no clue on. It's like a double life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Bose]

And that's. I think that's. You're right. That's probably where she's having that hang up on, you know. Yeah. I loved him, but also, who was he?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right. What.

[Tamara T]

What did you think about Erica's new confessional look?

[Bose]

The one with the hat?

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[Bose]

I actually thought Gretchen Rossi for a minute, but then I thought, she's actually doing it right.

[Tamara T]

Okay, well, let me ask you a question, right? Is that like some designer brand?

[Bose]

I was trying to zoom in. I couldn't zoom in on this.

[Tamara T]

They were ease. And I thought, well, maybe she's coming out with her own clothing brand. Because Erica. I wasn't sure. Yeah, I mean, Erica can pull it off. I would look like a complete fool.

[Bose]

So, Tamara, that's the difference is if you're gonna try to do that kind of thing, do it 100%. You can't go to Halloween in the Halloween castle costume. You need to get it custom made if you're going to go to a costume party and make it right. Okay, so Eric did it. Right. But you're right, I was trying to like, see what that label was and what that designer is. And I also thought, well, shoot, these are Beverly Hills when they probably have a new designer that we don't even know about.

[Tamara T]

Exactly. Exactly. I'm not up.

[Bose]

I'm not privy to for another two years, honey.

[Tamara T]

Now, Dorit, also, I don't think there's one girl on this show that's married at this point. So Jeret is also going through a divorce. She says her kids are having a really hard time, especially Jagger. And then her parents were over. They live in Florida. Very sweet couple. And the kids are going to go visit them for a little while. Dorit says she gets no money from PK and had to find new attorney, manager, business partner, etc. Like, I just. I don't understand, like, why is he not paying for anything?

[Bose]

My mouth is on the floor. Especially if, if, if she's got the kids full time, then they're just in such preliminary stages that, that, you know, unless you have the court order, you can't.

[Tamara T]

But it's been over a year.

[Bose]

But you can also get back pay. She'll get back pay once they do finalize their divorce if she's got the kids full time, which is what she's claiming.

[Tamara T]

But how is he getting away with this?

[Bose]

I don't know the court system, Penny, you know, because you went through divorce.

[Tamara T]

The divorce system, I never got a sense and I never asked for a cent. So I didn't one Penny but he is, he supposedly allegedly is a very successful businessman. So you know, she lives a very big lifestyle. She's got like a seven million dollar house that she lives in.

[Bose]

On that.

[Tamara T]

I know her clothes are all designer. I would be getting a new attorney.

[Bose]

I think that part of the problem is the court system is so I shouldn't say the entire court system, but the marriage law court system is, is like very slow. There's a lot of it's broken.

[Tamara T]

Just like family law. It's all broken.

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[Tamara T]

So Kyle's daughter is getting married. Alexia. And so they go shopping for her registry or whatever it's called for her wedding. Yeah, I know. And Sutton and the newbie Amanda show up. Amanda bought Kyle's old house. How weird. Is this. Kyle talks about how her followers were mad because Amanda destroyed the floors in the remodel. I mean, everybody has their own taste. I happen to like the black and white checkered floors. I. I like it in stone. I don't like it in shiny.

[Bose]

I, I was. I would be one of those. I would be one of those fans would be like, yes, take that four up and let's do something different.

[Tamara T]

Yeah. I don't like black and white shiny, but I like the two tone with like a matte finish stone.

[Bose]

Kyle, the way she had her house done when it was the black and white shiny, it was beautiful. They did it great. But again, as me, I would tear the floor up also.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Tamara T]

So here we are. We get to meet the new housewife. I mean, it's pretty crazy that she bought Kyle's old house and is now on the show. I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. I need to see the house renovated, and I can't wait to see that. I know we're going to get to see it.

[Bose]

It's going to be very, like the end of the episode like that. What episode do you think we'll find?

[Tamara T]

I think pretty soon. This is her first. Yeah, I think this is her first episode. She's got a husband. Well, she doesn't have a husband yet. She's going to get married. She has an Eddie in her life. She's got. And I went down. This has not been said on the show, but I went down the rabbit hole of looking at her Instagram this morning because I'm like, wait, you have four kids, but you're not married to our step kids from your previous. From his previous marriage. And two are from him or from somebody else. And they look. They're very little, Very little. Like, I want to say two under three. Two kids under three easily.

[Bose]

But here's the thing. If all four kids are his, which we're going to get.

[Tamara T]

Yeah, all four are his, but two of them are from his previous marriage.

[Bose]

So where are the other two from? Did he from. No, no, from her. Oh, those are hers. Those are hers.

[Tamara T]

The two littlest that are hers. So they have two kids together.

[Bose]

I didn't agree. When the women are all like, oh, hell no, don't call those step kids your kids. Because I was with Drew for five years and those kids, I took them traveling everywhere. They were kind of like, I was. I. I would buy them shoes.

[Tamara T]

I think it's a slippery slope. If you, like, how long have they been together? If they've been to these kids are 7 and 9. How long have they been together? I'm gonna guess by the two kids age that they have, I would say four to five years. So she has been in the kids lives when they were young. But don't say you're raising these kids unless the mother is not that's involved.

[Bose]

Maybe he has full custody and the mom is not involved. And then.

[Tamara T]

Okay, well, if that's the case, then that's the case. But I'm with bows on this. I'm like, nope, nope, you're not that kind of mom.

[Bose]

You'd never let your kids go with another woman and not be the main person in their life just as much. Me, I would never allow that. That those kids are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Bose]

They're gonna be having their mama's values and be with their mama. So.

[Tamara T]

Yeah. So Amanda is known for manifesting money and she's got a book about it. There's a lot. Now, Money queen is what her nickname is. So there's a lot of talk about money, which annoys me. But it's weird because Stephanie on Miami, she talks about money. It doesn't bother me, but Amanda does. And for some reason it just.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Ugh.

[Bose]

Like something I'm excited to see.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Why?

[Bose]

Because you're. You're usually right with these gut feelings.

[Tamara T]

I don't know. She's very polarizing so far. And I do think that since we don't have Lisa Rana anymore, there needs to be a polarizing character. Dorit is definitely stepping up the game. Like before, she was very quiet. Now she's very vocal and, I don't know, rock bottom.

[Bose]

So she doesn't care. She's just going to say what she thinks now. She's not going to keep it all together. I mean, she's. You can see the anguish and pain of a broken family knowing that she doesn't want to pay back. But what it's doing to the kids, you can see it. So I think that's making her more vocal.

[Tamara T]

Do you think calling yourself the money queen is a bold branding statement?

[Bose]

Yeah, but she didn't do that. I think she said somebody else pegged her as that. And they've been together seven years, by the way.

[Tamara T]

I mean, I don't want to rub in her face, but she did show up with the cheapest Birkin. Hers is 14,000. Kyle's was 30 and seconds was 32.

[Bose]

Headband. Okay.

[Tamara T]

I think the most expensive one I have is 7,000.

[Bose]

That's a lot, babe. That's a lot.

[Tamara T]

Chanel it is a lot, but yeah. So if you're going to be the money queen, you better show up with the forty thousand dollar, the seventy thousand dollar Birkin bag.

[Bose]

I wanted to ask you because we mentioned it a little bit before and then we were waiting to get here on our timeline. But where does the rest of her money come from? Is she a trust fund kid?

[Tamara T]

We don't know yet.

[Bose]

Off of a book?

[Tamara T]

We don't know. It's not. I don't think it's about a book.

[Bose]

You can make it off a couple books. You can't make it off of one book.

[Tamara T]

Yeah, there has something, something that has.

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Hit the press today.

[Bose]

What?

[Tamara T]

That she was. A little bit of legal issues.

[Sponsor Voice]

When in the past.

[Tamara T]

So I don't know if it's true yet.

[Bose]

But one money from that.

[Tamara T]

No, no, no. Okay.

[Bose]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Tamara T]

So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna let that one just stew for a little bit and see if there's actually any truth to it. It looks like there is because there was a mug shot.

[Bose]

Well, I heard somewhere that she, and I don't know if it's true, but that she sells online courses or she does things like stats. Maybe, but I still don't think that's going to get you a how. How much was Kyle's home? I don't think you're gonna be able.

[Tamara T]

To buy a millions. Well, it depends. There's a lot of people out there that are motivational speakers that are selling programs to try to make money and they are making a killing off of it. So maybe that's what she's doing.

[Bose]

But what are we gonna start? Teach people how to be the villain when you're really not.

[Tamara T]

Right, Right.

[Bose]

So I thought it was a really.

[Tamara T]

Cute scene of Bose and her daughter. They're planning on. They were. She was doing her hair and she's like, I enjoy this time together because I get to sit down and I get to talk to you. And she said like, I saw that party. Are you planning on talking to anyone? And I'm like, what does that mean? Like planning to like go out with anybody?

[Bose]

Or her mom's way of kindly stating, do you have your eye on anyone or you look or do you fancy?

[Tamara T]

Talking to anyone is the new term, fancy.

[Bose]

Do you fancy any of those boys?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara T]

And she's like, yeah, I talked to a guy in juvie. And I'm like, oh, no, she didn't just say that. I die right now. Are you serious? Could you imagine if one of your kids said, yeah, I'm talking to somebody in juvie.

[Bose]

Oh, God bless me.

[Tamara T]

She's like, let me pray on you right now. I'm gonna pray on you. Jesus, please don't let this girl down, go down the wrong path and fall.

[Bose]

In love with any criminal.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara T]

Were your nails freshly done when John proposed to you?

[Bose]

Well, not like her. Bose's whole, like, the day of or day before is a little much. Mine were done, but they weren't like. I think they were like a week old. And they weren't probably the color. I don't even remember now, but I know they weren't like, what I expect what I would have done if I knew he was, you know, that was going to be the picture that you take.

[Tamara T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bose]

Two days. Two days is like, you can't surprise her then. So that's a lot of pressure to put on her daughter, you know?

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[Tamara T]

Well, then we get to the party, which, geez, what a party that is. Jennifer throws a sip and drop party at her house. Her house.

[Bose]

Is Jennifer the friend of, like, what is.

[Tamara T]

Yes, she is.

[Bose]

I freaking love her, man. Oh, my God. I just want to go sit on her couch and just chat.

[Tamara T]

Well, last year I was at Crystal's house for a holiday party, and she was there, and she's like, hi, Tamara. Like, she knew me, and I was like, like starstruck and at home. And I fear. And she's like, chucky from Chucky. And I'm like, yeah.

[Bose]

She.

[Tamara T]

Oh, my God. That. She's like, I want to meet her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm like, one day.

[Tamara T]

One day you'll meet her.

[Bose]

Oh, she's so cool.

[Tamara T]

She is so cool. And she wants the women to draw wieners.

[Bose]

Yep. I wanted to see some more wieners drawn. Tamara.

[Tamara T]

I.

[Bose]

Well, there's only one. I wanted to see more of them.

[Tamara T]

I mean, I'm surprised we've never seen this on Housewives. Or have we? And I just blocked it out.

[Sponsor Voice]

But they.

[Tamara T]

Each girl had their own wiener to draw. And, I mean, I don't really have any complaints. I kind of wish the guys were maybe better looking. Or maybe it's better that they weren't better looking.

[Bose]

Rude. I know. Or Eddie. Like, Eddie wants to hear you want to see hotter guys with their dicks hanging out.

[Dirty Rush Host]

I know.

[Bose]

Have you ever drawn a penis?

[Tamara T]

Maybe in, like, middle school.

[Bose]

I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not.

[Tamara T]

Not lightly.

[Bose]

Like, it gave me the. It gave me the feelings. Like, I kind of want to see if I can draw one.

[Tamara T]

I was actually Shocked by some of the girls. What they sketched.

[Bose]

Well, which one went in straight for? It was like only from here to here. And it was just the penis.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It.

[Bose]

No, no, head. It was just, it was just.

[Tamara T]

That would be Erica.

[Bose]

That was Erica.

[Tamara T]

I love that.

[Bose]

I was like, we had more of that.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Yeah.

[Tamara T]

Okay, so we. Amanda comes in, she gets to meet people. The girl's face is when Amanda says she was born in 1985. My son was born in 1985. So it was like, holy.

[Bose]

I was. No, I was five. I was, wait, 19. Why can't I do this math?

[Tamara T]

When were you born?

[Bose]

1977.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Tamara T]

You weren't five.

[Bose]

I was eight. 77 and eight is five. Yeah.

[Tamara T]

I'm glad we had this conversation.

[Bose]

Hey, we're podcasters, we're not math.

[Tamara T]

When Jennifer says while she was struggling to get out of the womb, I was just struggling selling sandwiches for 25 cents and salads for 10, I'm like, was they. Things weren't that cheap in 1985, were they?

[Bose]

I, I wouldn't know because I was doing two plus two equals four.

[Tamara T]

I don't, I remember in elementary school, our lunch was a quarter diamond, a nickel. Oh, quarter diamond, a nickel.

[Bose]

It did inflate pretty fast. Yep. I just, Everything Jennifer says though, do you not just sit on the couch and laugh when you're watching it by yourself?

[Tamara T]

Because she is just funny.

[Bose]

Why would they ever offer her a full row?

[Tamara T]

I don't know. She, she just came on last year. You know who we didn't see? We didn't get to see Kathy. I think she was out of town. But yeah, I love kind of a friend.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara T]

So the girls get to know Amanda. Erica kind of shamed her a little bit when she said she doesn't want to drink alcohol, she just wants water. I think she was just trying to be playful because she's like, not another one that's not drinking. You know, it's like, I guess shaming would be the wrong word. I think it was just like, oh, I don't know. I want my housewives to have a few cocktails.

[Bose]

I don't think there's anything wrong if four women don't want to and they want a mocktail. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. So I, I, I could see where Amanda kind of felt like, are they really shaming me? Because I just want a mocktail. But I agree with you. They're a little bit more loose lipped and fun when they, you know, I.

[Tamara T]

Like my housewives drunk and messy.

[Bose]

Did you hear that there was a mug shot from a dui? Some. Something I've heard. I've heard some chatter, and I did not do any research. I usually put on my.

[Tamara T]

I just talked about it.

[Bose]

That's what you were saying. So it was a mug shot for a DUI that you were trying to be purse lipped about?

[Ad Read Announcer]

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[Tamara T]

Oh, well, thanks. Thanks for outing it.

[Bose]

I missed that memo.

[Tamara T]

It's on the Internet, so I'm just repeating what I said. So we're not outing this, but yes. You know, as soon as you get.

[Bose]

That's the first time I've ever seen you sit back and not actually just say what's already out there.

[Tamara T]

Like, you were actually like, I want her to get her feet wet a little bit and not hate me off the bat. Like, let's give it a little bit. Camera with a filter. There you go. Yeah, so, I mean, it was 2016, you know, it was a while ago, almost 10 years ago. So, you know, I. I got to give her credit because, you know what? She's not drinking.

[Bose]

Well, she did say in her confessional, though, she did say, it's not like I don't ever drink. It's just that I don't really want to.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So.

[Bose]

Yeah, when you're drawing a penis, maybe you just don't. You don't want to make the penis look jagged or hanging a little to the left.

[Tamara T]

That's what I would need, a drink if I'm drawing a penis.

[Bose]

Kyle said, give me some shrooms now. Maybe that's what. I know.

[Tamara T]

I know. So Kyle asked Dorit if she's gone on any dates. Drake says her husband is torturing her and she doesn't have time. I. I know that feeling. I got a little tortured when I was going through my divorce, but it didn't stop me.

[Bose]

Yeah, I didn't stop me either.

[Tamara T]

It's actually, like, relief to be able to be around somebody that treats you well, opposed to being treated. Like from your ex.

[Bose]

And even if it was just a dinner, you know, like some sushi or something, and you just got to talk to another human that, you know, you're kind of learning about them. It was just fun. I didn't, like, lock lips with every single guy or, like, you know, hold hands or anything. It was just like. It's fun to kind of just go to dinner, you know?

[Tamara T]

Now, I don't know if we're gonna see eye to eye on this one, but Dorit says PK is blocking the kids from going To Florida unless he goes too. Kyle says maybe it's a good thing that the kids go to Florida and see him. And, you know, she was just trying to make a positive out of it. Dorit gets so angry, and she's like, Kyle isn't ever 100% on my side. I actually. I don't think that Kyle was trying to be negative or rude about it or not being on her side. It's like, sometimes you have to take the little wins. Like, if he's saying, absolutely not, they can't go unless I go, then.

[Sponsor Voice]

Then go.

[Tamara T]

Let him go. Chances are he's going to see him one day and leave.

[Dirty Rush Host]

I can.

[Bose]

I can totally see both sides on this. And usually I pick a side because I'm objective, but I. I can see both sides on this. I think Kyle is doing exactly what you said. She was just trying to smooth it over, try to calm dorit down a little bit. Like, it's okay.

[Tamara T]

You can still.

[Bose]

This can still work out. The kids can still go to Florida and have both. Both things be true, like cpk and see her parents. But I can also see where dorit is, just like I told you. See, she's so broken, and I can see so much anguish in her that her capacity right now is not very large.

[Dirty Rush Host]

And.

[Bose]

Which is justified, by the way.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Bose]

In my opinion, it's justified when you're going through everything she's going through right now. Because you and I have been there. We know what it feels like to lose my kids part of the time or have some men and say, no, now we're gonna throw this obstacle your way just to be an a hole. You know what I mean? So I. I can see both. I do think dorit overreacted, but like I said, I truly feel it's not really her. It's just she's at her rock bottom. She's in so much agony and needs. She just needs everyone to be her yes person right now, to be honest. Like, I think she needs fed that way because she's not eating and she's not sleeping. So.

[Tamara T]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't really necessarily think that Kyle was defending PK at this moment. I just think that she was just trying to make the best and let her see. Like, ah, you know what? Maybe there is a silver lining to this. Maybe they can go to see their dad. Their dad goes on their way, and even Rachel's like, yeah, you know, he'll see him one day, and then he'll take off and go to wherever he's going right?

[Bose]

I love that. Yeah, that. On his way to Santa pay, she said, yeah.

[Tamara T]

So the girls are drawing these guys now. What's up with a guy that has his booty popped in the air and one leg straddling the pool? I'm like, what are you doing? And even Jennifer's like, are you going to be comfortable pose like that the entire time? And Dorit in a confessional trying to pop her booty? And she's like, oh, I think I threw my back out. Like, what is going on?

[Bose]

Well, I don't know, because we've never had that party where we have a bunch of naked men come around and have us draw them.

[Tamara T]

I don't know how I would feel about that.

[Bose]

You hadn't been putting their penises in your ear. But they were at least.

[Tamara T]

I didn't like that. I didn't like that.

[Bose]

They had socks. I swear to God, they had socks in there. I'm glad I didn't go on that trip. You know that.

[Tamara T]

No, he pulled his pants down. His underwear, whatever. Those tidy white. Those little banana hammock he was wearing. He pulled it down and we saw it. It was gross. It was gross.

[Bose]

Okay, well. Okay, Glad that. Glad that I was not there.

[Tamara T]

Now, who do you think did the best drawing? Do you agree that Rachel. She. She was pretty good at her sketching, but she's actually.

[Bose]

It was really good. But does that really shock you? Because she's in fashion?

[Tamara T]

Well, I feel like she's got a sketch thing. Yes.

[Bose]

It didn't shock me, but I actually kind of thought Erica's penis was good because that's what made me think, should I draw. Should I try to draw a penis? Because I don't even know if I could. I think it might. Would look like an umbrella or something.

[Tamara T]

A mushroom. I mean, I couldn't see Kyle's picture very well. Like, it was so, like, the reflection, you couldn't really see it. But they were saying, based on Kyle's drawing, she hasn't seen a wiener in quite a while.

[Bose]

Okay, well, she admitted that, didn't she?

[Tamara T]

Yeah, but the girls are really like, there's so much conversation about, are you dating? Are you dating? Are you dating? Are you dating? And finally we get a scene at the end of the episode where Erica comes over to Kyle's house. They sit down. It's very raw. It's very emotional. Kyle tells Erica that she's been. She's been seeing someone, but the person she was with didn't want to publicize their relationship. And I kind of have known a little bit about this, but. So she didn't want her relationship. The other person did not want the relationship out there.

[Bose]

Right.

[Tamara T]

So. Which is a little weird because she's a public person.

[Bose]

Yeah. But you know what? I can totally, if that's who she's.

[Tamara T]

Talking about, I can totally see it.

[Bose]

I can totally see it. I mean, you have to, you have to kind of try out the relationship and see if you're built for it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Bose]

What happened is that this other person that Kyle was seeing tried and then, and then she, you know, was like, okay, I can't handle this. I actually don't like this. And I mean, it's not for everyone. And Kyle's amount, the fame that Kyle has just because of her name and being a Hilton is so much different level than it is.

[Tamara T]

She's, she is, you know, she's got a huge following. She's been on TV most of her life. I know. Me and Teddi went to Craig's with her one day for lunch. Coming out like, paparazzi were crazy. They had posters of her to sign. Like it's crazy.

[Bose]

So imagine, imagine falling for someone or kind of thinking you like someone like that and then thinking, okay, I can try. I'm gonna try because I really like her. And, and then deciding it just, I'm not built for this because I can totally see that happening with somebody that wants to keep their life more, that doesn't want a snapshot of them at the gas station. They have their hair in a bun and it's 8 o' clock in the morning and they don't want to have a photo taken.

[Tamara T]

You know, she's, Kyle admitted that she fell very hard for this person and it is now over. And she gets a little teary eyed and she said she wanted to weather the storm, but the other person did not. It was really sad. I mean, I was glad that Kyle was able to open up and address a relationship. She didn't give a lot away for obvious reasons. You know, this person doesn't want to be talked about. I, I gotta hope that the weight has been lifted off her shoulders now because everybody wants to know, Everybody wants to know on the cast and I, and I think that it would be best if she just told all of them that so they'd shut the up.

[Bose]

I agree. I, that's what I was kind of thinking at that final scene last night was why, why did Kyle wait to have Erica over and discuss this all with Erica? Why didn't she just say to everyone at that party when she's getting cornered. Look, guys, I'm sure you can understand, but my partner that I was with did not want it. Didn't want to be known as it. Wanted it private. Yeah, no, and like I said, like, I honor that. I think that was very respectful and that Kyle did the right thing. Because if you're trying to make a relationship work, I mean, obviously the person that she was dating realized there's no way this is going to stay quiet forever. And there's no way that I'm going to. I'm going to be okay with it. So that's why she. They ended it or whoever ended it. Yeah, but, you know, it's sad.

[Tamara T]

It's a tough situation to be in, honestly, to have somebody like, don't talk about me. Don't talk about me. And you know, I went through that with my daughter. You know, it's like. And it's hard when you are on a reality show and you are questioned about something or asked a question to be able to respond. And I am so such an open book. You know, even at the reunion, you know, Andy asked me about my daughter and I said, well, I did see her. Honestly, you know, I wish I wouldn't have said that. I wish I would have kept it private. But I did. But, you know, it's just hard. Like, shit, what am I.

[Bose]

When she was mad at you?

[Tamara T]

No, no, it's just, I just, I want to be able to get to that point like Kyle is, is when something's brought up that I just don't just talk about it. You know, I'm just such an open book and I. I wish I wasn't. I wish I was a little bit more guarded. I'm learning to be that way.

[Bose]

I don't think you should change. I think you are. You'd be boring.

[Tamara T]

Probably. Probably. But that's it for this episode. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and thanks, Alexis for jumping in, helping me out today.

[Bose]

Lots of fun. Thanks guys.

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[Tamara T]

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[Bose]

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