Sketchy Stacey (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: “Sketchy Stacey” (RHOP Recap)
Date: January 26, 2026
Hosts: Tamra Judge, Dolores Catania (guest co-hosting)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a detailed (and classic Housewives-style) recap and analysis of the Real Housewives of Potomac season finale, focusing on the “disastrous” cast trip, unresolved cast tensions, and the drama surrounding cast members Stacey, Jazzy, and Angel. The hosts share their unfiltered takes on reunion looks, breakdown major conflicts, discuss off-screen events, and preview the dramatic reunion special.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. East Coast Weather and Ultimate Girls Trip (02:49–05:15)

• Tamra and Dolores swap stories about being snowed-in, canceled travel, and the chaos as housewives fanfare leaks out in real time.
• Fun side conversation about 80s fashion for the Bunko party and Dolores' failed attempt to roller skate again.

2. RHOP Cast Trip & Reunion Looks (06:43–09:51)

• Detailed breakdown of every Housewife’s reunion outfit:
  • Dolores: “Take note OC, they're all in one color. It just looks so beautiful.” [07:43]
  • Angel's and Jazzy’s looks panned as “Valentine's Day gone wrong” [07:24, 09:33].
  • Praise for Karen: “She always looks good.” [09:54]
  • Note that the single-color theme makes for visually pleasing, less chaotic television.

3. RHOP Finale Episode Critiques (09:54–15:07)

• Criticism that the finale was “not great.”
• The Housewife’s car ride (to the Four Seasons, and later, fly-fishing) dominates the footage.
  • “They were in a car the entire time shooting the season finale.” – Dolores [10:13]
• Speculation that Karen’s Andy Cohen interview will serve as the “real” finale due to lackluster trip footage.
  • “The season finale was a flop... they're going to use Karen's interview with Andy as their season finale.” – Dolores [10:07]
• Failed group dynamics: trips are cut short, energy fizzles, and cast disengagement is palpable.

4. Cast Tensions: Loyalty and “Team Picking” (15:07–20:04)

• Breakdown of the heated exchange between Stacy and Jazzy re: friendships and loyalty.
  • Memorable quote: “Don't tell me who to be friends with.” – Jazzy (paraphrased by Tamra) [15:17]
• Dolores and Tamra relate this to their own Housewife experiences with alliances and double standards.
• Stacy called out for “only coming to Jazzy’s wedding because others were going” [16:54]
• Discussion of why this major drama only surfaced at the end of the season.

5. Suspicion, Secret Recordings, and Accusations (21:59–23:51)

• Talk about trust within the group: Stacy accuses Jazzy of recording her without consent, but details are murky.
• Dolores and Tamra agree that, if true, this would be “very uncomfortable.”
  • Memorable moment: Both hosts confused and a bit amused about the randomness of phone call recording accusations.

6. Travel Fiasco and Angel’s Struggles (24:02–26:13)

• Angel gets lost en route to the fly-fishing event, further fraying nerves and group cohesion.
  • “Angel cannot win. She needs to exit. This show's not for her.” – Dolores [24:07]
• The $10,000 meal gets canceled; hosts lament the waste and poor planning.

7. Stacey’s Place in the Cast (26:05–30:19)

• Both think Stacey has “taken a beating all season” but debate her possible return: Tamra thinks she’ll be asked back (“she’s coming back” [26:13]), Dolores doubts she’d want to.
• Discussion of confusing alliances, particularly the Wendy/Stacy/Tia dynamic.

8. Loose Ends and Upcoming Reunion (30:19–34:07)

• Dolores wants Chris at the reunion for answers; both want receipts and clarity on the Chris/Stacy/Ashley drama (“I want Chris at the reunion.” – Dolores [30:48]).
• They dissect rumors about Wendy and Eddie’s arrest and believe she must have known it was coming while filming.

9. Reflections on Messaging, Privacy, and Housewife Life (35:08–37:06)

• Side discussion on recording phone calls, texting do’s/don’ts, and dangers of leaving digital trails within the Housewives universe.
  • “Don't ever put anything in writing that you can't scream in front of city hall.” – Tamra [35:47]
  • Amusing moment when Tamra jokes she “invented Snapchat.”

10. End-of-Season Updates (Credits Segment) (37:38–39:40)

• Each Housewife's onscreen update dissected and roasted:
  • Stacey & Timo: Not remarrying; Tamra expresses doubt they ever really divorced. [32:13]
  • Giselle: Lost will battle, but her daughter Angel thrives.
  • Wendy & Eddie: Facing serious fraud charges.
  • Ashley: On-again, off-again with Josh; working on a children’s book.
  • Kiara: Focusing on her med spa, not marriage; received only a “picture frame” from Greg.
    • “That was a shit ass thing to do.” – Tamra on the picture frame [38:44]
  • Tia: Rebuilding with her sister; kids' parties cracked down.
  • Angel: Moved to Potomac (“$2 million home—wasn’t she throwing out $5, 6, 7 million before?” – Dolores [40:54]).

11. Anticipating the Reunion and “Unique” Karen Finale (41:03–44:18)

• Preview of Karen’s “exclusive” sit down with Andy Cohen as the season’s actual climax.
  • Memorable quote: “There were two things [Andy] said... One, he asked her, how do you feel?... Then he also asked... Are you an alcoholic?” – Tamra [42:00]
• Confirmation that cameras rolled for Wendy/Eddie’s arrest; both expect a wild, superior reunion.

12. Reflection: Domestic vs. International Finale Trips (43:56–45:35)

• Both hosts prefer big finale parties over trips as season closers, but see merits in ending filming with a trip for cast “closure.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Take note, Orange County! They're all in one color—different shades of red, but it’s such a theme. And it’s so beautiful.” – Dolores [07:43]
• “Don't tell me who to be friends with.” – summarized by Tamra, referring to Jazzy [15:17]
• “She [Angel] needs to exit. This show’s not for her.” – Dolores [24:07]
• “Don't ever put anything in writing that you can't scream in front of city hall.” – Tamra [35:47]
• “That was a shit ass thing to do.” – Tamra reacting to Greg giving Kiara only a picture frame [38:44]
• “There were two things [Andy] said. One, he asked her, how do you feel? ... Then he also asked her, are you an alcoholic?” – Tamra [42:00]

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Important Segments by Timestamp

• 02:49–05:15 – Personal stories, Bunko party antics
• 06:43–09:51 – RHOP reunion looks critique & group fashion discussion
• 09:54–15:07 – RHOP finale structure, group chemistry problems
• 15:07–20:04 – Loyalty and confrontation: Stacy, Jazzy, Wendy
• 21:59–23:51 – Alleged phone call recording, trust issues
• 24:02–26:13 – Angel's disastrous trip logistics
• 26:05–30:19 – Stacey’s position in the group, confusing alliances
• 30:19–34:07 – Loose ends, anticipation for reunion answers
• 35:08–37:06 – Messaging, legal caution, Snapchat joke
• 37:38–39:40 – Post-finale cast updates
• 41:03–44:18 – Karen's exclusive Andy interview/reunion preview
• 43:56–45:35 – Finale trip vs. party debate

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Tone & Style

• The tone is breezy, direct, and irreverent—just like the best Housewives aftershows, with lots of personal opinions, playful roasts, and behind-the-scenes perspective.
• Both hosts balance humor (“Take your damn picture frame and shove it up your ass.” – Dolores [39:01]) with genuine industry insight.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode delivers a candid, insider’s take on the RHOP finale, calling out weak cast dynamics, production stumbles, and the “sketchy” behavior of certain Housewives (with Stacey at the center). If you want the real story on what went down (and what didn’t), bite-size cast updates, and reunion tea—all with biting wit and experienced context—this recap is essential listening. The coming reunion and Karen’s tell-all are can’t-miss events.

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

Welcome back to another episode of Two T's and a Pause with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores. Good morning.

[Tamara Judge]

Coming from the Snowden New Jersey.

[Dolores Catania]

How is this big, giant storm that I've been reading about all over the place? How bad is.

[Tamara Judge]

Was bad? It was really bad. Tens of thousands of flights were canceled. I even. I was trying to go to Florida for something, and.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, we all know why.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. And woke up 3 o' clock in the morning to try to book my flight, and there was none.

[Dolores Catania]

I will have to say nobody's being discreet about what they are filming. The ultimate girls trip is, you know, one weekend as of today, everybody's posting their looks. I held off from the 80s bunko party and thought, I can't. I'll get in trouble. Then I'm like, oh, my God. Everybody's posting from the parties, videos being seen. There's press there. Like, it's crazy. So I'm like, what the hell? I'm gonna. My thing. So you were grounded. You can't get to Miami grounded.

[Tamara Judge]

But let me just. Let's talk about that outfit for a second. Let me tell you something, Tamara. If I looked that good in that, I would have posted it whether it was breaking rules or not. That shit would have went up because you're sweet.

[Dolores Catania]

You.

[Tamara Judge]

You know how I felt about it. I. I screenshotted 9 million pictures and sent it to you. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Dolores Catania]

My butt used to be a little perkier. It's not as perky as it used, but. Oh, well.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so good. My. Yeah, no, it's good. It looks really good.

[Dolores Catania]

I wore those, like, dance skin, like tights, like ballerinas wear. And dance.

[Tamara Judge]

They hold everything.

[Dolores Catania]

Not that you have anything in.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it looks good. Well, I should wear them every day

[Dolores Catania]

of my life, but it was fun. And by the way, I bought the roller skates. I was going to practice. I put them on one time in the house. Went up and down. I thought I was gonna break my ass. And I was like, I could do this. I used to roller skate in the 80s. No big deal. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I couldn't do it. Then the day of, I'm like, I really need to practice. So the day of, I went back and forth and, you know, I was okay. And then I got there and I was twirling and spinning and I'm like, put a camera in front of me. I can do.

[Tamara Judge]

So I've never played bunko. I heard that's what you were playing. You were talking about.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, recreated the bunko party that I had. Geez, 15 years ago, maybe.

[Tamara Judge]

Explain to me what bunko is.

[Dolores Catania]

Bunko's are just a dice game. Throw ones, throw twos, throw threes. That's it. It's just lucky. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So Jersey girls don't typically do well in games or play games. So it's not like. Yeah, but it's cute.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know how it is on TV when you're playing the game they're gonna get you playing, but it's. You're not really completely playing. You know what I mean? Like, I used to. Back in the day, I had two bunco parties when I first started the show because prior to being on Housewives, I was. You know, my kids were little, so we didn't get to do a lot. So the neighborhood would have a bunko party, and every once a month, somebody else would host it. And it was. We called it drunko. It was our excuse to go out, have cocktails with some of the ladies that have little kids, then go home, walk home. So it was like a fun thing we did. And then we played for prizes. We'd play for money. It was just cute.

[Tamara Judge]

Those are the days, right? The simplest of days.

[Dolores Catania]

Now I'm like, do I really have to do this? But I wouldn't throw a bunko party nowadays. But it was fun. It was a lot of fun. A lot of fun.

[Tamara Judge]

Speaking of throwing things, this cast trip in Potomac, Angel's trip. Let's talk about it. I mean, could anything more go wrong? Poor Angel.

[Dolores Catania]

Poor, poor, poor Angel. But before we get into it, can we talk about their reunion looks that dropped?

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, I got them right here.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's see.

[Dolores Catania]

So Giselle, Pretty Ashley, Pretty Stacy. Pretty Wendy. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful Kiarana. And then we get to Angel. What is that? That's like Valentine's gone wrong. I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Tears. I'm not happy about Tia's either. Really.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't. I don't mind it, but I think the way she's standing and the part that goes out makes it look like it's her butt, but it's not really her butt.

[Tamara Judge]

So looking at the reunion looks, she's beautiful. Giselle's stunning. And that red. The red looks good on everybody.

[Dolores Catania]

Stacy, you know what I like? This is what I like. Take note, Orange county, they're all in one color. Yes. Different shades of red, but it's just such a theme. And it's so beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so confusing when everyone's talking and arguing. Let's have it all uniform in one spot that we can control. And that's the colors and the outfits. Right. It's less of a mental overload. So I think the red. I happen to love red. Did they do red for Valentine's Day? Because. Is it gonna air around then? I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if they. That's the reason why.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know me. I'm like Valentine's Day addict already, so

[Dolores Catania]

I pretty much like everybody's but Chazzy.

[Tamara Judge]

So Jazzy's isn't right? No, but I don't like Tia's either. I'm not happy about Tia's.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't hate it. I don't hate it now, Monique.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not flattering. I don't feel it.

[Dolores Catania]

Monique's is a vibe. Like, only. Only Monique could pull that off.

[Tamara Judge]

Let me tell you about Monique. I. I mean, she doesn't even have a beauty mark. Nothing.

[Dolores Catania]

Nothing wrong with this girl. She's perfection.

[Tamara Judge]

It's insane. But I don't like that. I mean, yeah, it's. It's like a. Like a risky thing. Like, I just. It's not for me.

[Dolores Catania]

No. I couldn't wear it. I couldn't pull it off.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, it's Wonder womanish. I'm giving Ms. Connell today. And that's giving.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, It's a vibe. It's a look. It's nothing that I. All I think about is you sat there for 10 hours. Now, that looks very uncomfortable, but she looks great. I mean, let's go back to Jazzy, please.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Jazzy. Jazzy looks like a rose garden.

[Dolores Catania]

She looks like Valentine's Day gone wrong. Like, I mean, maybe.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe.

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe if the white was red.

[Tamara Judge]

Are those real flowers hanging off them?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I don't know. Kiara looks beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

Kiara is beautiful.

[Dolores Catania]

And Karen looks great.

[Tamara Judge]

Karen, Karen, Karen. She always looks good. Karen, to me, always looks good. I got a little emotional when I seen her coming home, but we'll get to that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Okay. So this is something that they've never done, and I'm very, very confused. They had the women's in cards, you know, saying what's going on? And you know why they're doing it this way? Because the season finale was a flop. So what they're going to do is they're going to use Karen's interview with Andy as their season finale. That's what they're doing. Because this was. This episode was not great. It wasn't great. I mean, they were in a car the entire time shooting the season finale.

[Tamara Judge]

For the most part, I was getting anxiety.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we'll get there, but the Flight was like. They were like two hours away and the flight was taking an hour. I would have had five heart attacks. Okay. Anyway, I was getting anxiety. How are they going to get back?

[Dolores Catania]

It was a disaster of a. Of a pre season. Who else has a preseason finale? But anyways, the girls arrive at the Four Seasons like Giselle had planned. They break out into a song.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, for me, I thought it was cute. Like, they. They did well.

[Dolores Catania]

They did well. To happen in any other show would have been cut. And then we found out breaking news that angel doesn't like fish.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't like fish, but she fish.

[Dolores Catania]

And nobody cares.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no one cares.

[Dolores Catania]

I will say that the girls constantly were giving her about bringing up Bobby, but I feel like the cast brings up Bobby more than angel does.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she's not going to talk about her. She's happily married. She said she's very happy. She has no complaints. And guess what? If she did, there isn't one person here she could really trust except Kiarna. But, you know, things are a little rocky and not everybody admits that there. If there is something wrong with their relationship to themselves, much less to a group of girls that shit on you every time you're around them.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So I. I'm thinking she's just. She may be happy. I'm not going to fault her for that. We're okay. We'll accept that.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you have a problem with Angel, Tia and Kate not staying at the hotel?

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

Was it rude of those two girls, those three girls not staying at the hotel?

[Tamara Judge]

Did they have rooms? Like, I mean, they could have stayed, but it would have been nice. What's the difference?

[Dolores Catania]

I would have gone home, back to that big old house. Instead of staying in a house, I'll

[Tamara Judge]

stay at the Four Seasons any damn day.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, they had rooms, but they decided to go. But they decided to go to. Did you see Angel's house? It was pretty freaking amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

It's amazing. But they wanted to go back and pack because they were ready to leave.

[Dolores Catania]

I have a feeling the house was very close to where the hotel was. And they're like, hey, let's go back. We'll go hang out.

[Tamara Judge]

But Giselle dismissed everybody at 9 o'. Clock.

[Dolores Catania]

That's true. So what is she going to.

[Tamara Judge]

What's the sense of staying? What is the sense of staying if you guys aren't going to have that one night of the girls trip where you're all together? She was like, okay, everybody get outta my room now.

[Dolores Catania]

It was literally nine o'.

[Tamara Judge]

Clock.

[Dolores Catania]

If they Were all gonna be doing stuff at the hotel.

[Tamara Judge]

But you know what?

[Dolores Catania]

I think this was so last minute that they probably couldn't film. I mean, things weren't cleared well.

[Tamara Judge]

They started filming. So why would they have not been

[Dolores Catania]

able to build Unless they had a party in the. In.

[Tamara Judge]

It was a huge penthouse. The girls could have made something of what was left of the trip.

[Dolores Catania]

They didn't. And there's a disconnect. There's such a disconnect in this group and I'm going to say it. We need Karen back. We needed Karen this season. She would not have put up. Well, I mean, she. She wouldn't have put up with this stuff. She would have made shit happen. Giselle was trying everything she could to make things happen, but she ended the night early. She was dying.

[Tamara Judge]

They had a. They had a good season. Giselle was frustrated with the accommodations. Giselle's been frustrated with a lot of things this season. Stacy angel, she's just. She's very boisterous. She took the role of Karen.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So they are getting in the car because they're going to go fly fishing. They're in several cars. We got more in the car. But I mean, most of this episode was filmed in a car, which is really hard.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they did their best with, with what they had. I mean, the. The where they were supposed to wind up looked amazing. The food looked off the hook. But another picnic table, another dinner outside by a lake in the wood. I mean, this just was not the trip for them.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. So they're in the car. Stacy tells Jazzy that she was surprised to see her exchanging numbers with Shareese on Family Fun Day.

[Tamara Judge]

She wishes she didn't say that because she got friggin hammered for that. Like, holy shit. That was Wendy's time to really come down on her. And you know, Jazzy was not wrong. Like, don't tell me who to be friends with. Well, that's what I was going to ask you.

[Dolores Catania]

Just because Stacy doesn't like somebody, your friend can't like that person and you're not that closer. I know you don't play that game.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't play that game either. And it doesn't make me Switzerland, which, you know what I mean? Like, I'm. I'm so sick because I see so many other housewives do the same thing that I've done for being. For me being chastised because my show was so divided and teams were so big. It was so big on taking teams instead of like. But then if somebody came for me, I was on my own. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was always. It's always a lot of double standard, as we know.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, right. But why should Jazzy be blindly loyal

[Tamara Judge]

to Stacy if Stacy isn't blindly loyal to her? Right?

[Dolores Catania]

That's the part I don't understand.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think that Stacy wishes that she didn't say it, because what follows through from that is the wedding was the wedding, and it was going to come back in her face eventually. And you know Stacey. But Stacey brought Jazzy back on the show.

[Dolores Catania]

Stacy didn't even want to go to

[Tamara Judge]

her wedding, but Stacy brought Jazzy back on the show.

[Dolores Catania]

Because Stacy didn't bring Jazzy back on the show. Bravo brought her back on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay? But maybe she felt like she owed her something because she did that for her. I'll tell you something. When Wendy came out with the conversation they had before the wedding in the car is when shit gets real. Whoever was driving that car probably wished they jumped out because things got loud, things got crazy. And now Wendy calls Stacy out because Stacy said, I did come to your wedding. And then Wendy's like, wait a second. You only came because you were told to. You only came to this girl's wedding who was your friend, because you found out we were coming, and I told you it was the right thing to do. You knew. You. And then she tried to say, well, I was opening my business. And they did a flashback to Jazzy actually saying many, many months before her wedding was going to be right.

[Dolores Catania]

I was actually happy that this conversation had gone down. But why did it take all season for this to brew? Why, instead of being on angel all season long, you know, we started with Stacy, then I went to Angel. Why didn't Jazzy bring up that Stacy only came to her wedding because Ashley and Wendy said they were going?

[Tamara Judge]

She. No, because she wasn't going to bring it up until. Until she was. She was put to some type of standard by saying, why'd you give your number to someone I don't get along with?

[Dolores Catania]

And it happens to be the last time she was going to be filming, so she had to make a little

[Tamara Judge]

bit of a ruckus, right? But she opened the door. She gave her the reason to do it.

[Dolores Catania]

My question is, do you think Jazzy is looking for a moment since their last day of filming? I didn't feel that. I didn't. I just don't understand why she didn't bring it up weeks ago. If she truly. If it bothered her.

[Tamara Judge]

Because. Because, like, the way I like how a housewife is, you don't bring something up for no reason. Like, she gave her the reason to say it, which was really stupid. Why did Stacey wait to say it? That happened in the mid. Mid season. Why did Stacey wait till the finale to say it?

[Dolores Catania]

And as a viewer and as somebody that's on a housewife show, I shouldn't judge that way. Because you know what? We don't know. If it was brought up and it just was cut out to play fair, she could have brought it up and it was cut up. Who knows? Who knows?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then it would have. This was. I think it was a perfect time to bring it up. I think Stacy, you know, after you're in the car for so long, you get delirious. You're going up and down mountains. Stacy opened her mouth and the wrong thing came out and that was it. But. But Wendy went in on her so bad, like so hard. And, you know, the other thing is it's been a little while. It's been a minute since they've been on Stacy's shit. So she was like, kind of not used to it again. I feel like it's like she lost the momentum of putting up with it. So that's why when they finally got to the rest stop, this was torture.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, I know. And then they kept flashing up on, like you said on the screen, three hours until flight takes off, two hours.

[Tamara Judge]

I was getting so nervous.

[Dolores Catania]

It's like I thought that they were gonna just missed their flights and there was going to be a big shit storm with Giselle and everyone because they missed their flights. But we're still in the car and Ashley tells Monique that she asked Chris if he was hooking up with Stacy and he just went like this.

[Tamara Judge]

So Giselle cleaned, Giselle, cleared herself real good here. Giselle was like, oh, I thought she knew and it was wrong that she didn't know that she wasn't told. I thought that.

[Dolores Catania]

But do you believe Ashley's story? She's like, oh, I thought I told you no. When Monique asked, she's like, oh, didn't I tell you?

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think that's something you don't forget to say? But is it possible?

[Dolores Catania]

What, that Stacy and Chris are actually hooked, hooking up?

[Tamara Judge]

Is it possible? Anything's possible. But I also know a guy to make it look like he was with somebody and make a reference to that true. And like, there's a chance that when he picked up the water bottle and he was like, being like a guy

[Dolores Catania]

and is it possible that Chris found out he was being brought up because Ashley was talking to him the entire time?

[Tamara Judge]

It's possible. Now, doesn't it come out that Ashley had been talking to him?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she. Well, she had said. You know, she kind of.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she just said that they met at a party. We still never found out who actually said something to him. I'm not so sure it was Stacey. And I said that from the beginning.

[Dolores Catania]

Have you ever had somebody. If you had somebody on the phone, then all of a sudden you hear this call is being recorded?

[Tamara Judge]

That would be.

[Dolores Catania]

I did not.

[Tamara Judge]

Good.

[Dolores Catania]

I did.

[Tamara Judge]

You did.

[Dolores Catania]

In the last six months? Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And wait, can I tell you something? It says, this call is recorded as soon as you hit that button. Because it does happen. You hit the button sometimes.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, the other person hears it. Can you hit it on accident? See, that's what I thought. Like, maybe you couldn't. Oh, you have. Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

And then it says. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, I hit it. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because this other per. There was no reason for this to be recorded. And the other person went, oh, sorry, I didn't mean to do that. And I thought, like, you had to look at your phone, pull it up, hit it.

[Tamara Judge]

And then it happened to me one time. Happened to me one time.

[Dolores Catania]

It made me feel really uncomfortable.

[Tamara Judge]

Of course it's uncomfortable. But it says, this call is being recorded. And then immediately I said, oh, my God, I'm sorry. Hit the button, and then I stopped it.

[Dolores Catania]

So Stacy.

[Tamara Judge]

It happened once, but not with the new phone, with the older phone.

[Dolores Catania]

So Stacy says that Jazzy was recording her. Was it the whole conversation? I don't know. But they didn't really get into it. But the fact that Jazzy was like. Like, I would say more than that. I would be like, where's that story? I know. I'd be like.

[Tamara Judge]

She said. I said some things. I'd be very uncomfortable if anyone else heard.

[Dolores Catania]

But did you catch where she. Jazzy says to Stacy, I asked you who's recording? And she just. It was very confusing. I don't know what they were talking about or why.

[Tamara Judge]

Why is that and why that's a story? Why?

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I know. If I'm talking before I start recording my conversation, I'd be like, hey, what are you doing here?

[Tamara Judge]

And where did Stacy bring that up out of?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

That just came randomly out of that conversation.

[Dolores Catania]

So poor angel, she's in her car, she gets the wrong direction, sent her by a pen.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't follow A pin in the middle of nowhere.

[Dolores Catania]

The girls are like, what do you mean you don't know where you're going? I thought this was your company. Don't you need. Don't you go there. Like, everybody's super confused on why it's taking so long. Angel doesn't have any explanation, really, other than, oh, I got the wrong directions. Angel cannot win. She can't win. She needs to exit. This show's not for her.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, that didn't look like a ten thousand dollar meal. Well, who.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, I.

[Tamara Judge]

Sorry the fly fishing was included.

[Dolores Catania]

What I feel sorry for. I mean, I don't know what is all included in this, but they're cooking. There's a chef there. He's cooking open fire. There's a coordinator there, and she's the one that gets the phone calls like, sorry, we're not coming. And I'm like, oh, these poor people. Here they are working their ass off.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, that food looks so good. I would hope no one came. I'd keep it and take it home.

[Dolores Catania]

But my question is, why would they schedule this three hours before they had to an appointment?

[Tamara Judge]

It was.

[Dolores Catania]

Doesn't make any sense.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they didn't have Kate Murphy helping them. Kate Murphy is our girl. And chick gets done.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, this is what's weird. Production was already at the site where they were fly fishing. I'm confused to why angel had the wrong location.

[Tamara Judge]

And why did the girls not make it there? They seem to be on the right way. Why did the girls not make it there? I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, at this point, gas station pizza.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm getting anxiety. At this point, I'm getting anxiety. They keep flashing when the. When the plane is taking off. I was literally feeling it. Maybe I was in the house too long yesterday because we were snowed in, but I was like, oh my God. Paul even was watching it with me. But you know what Paul said? He goes, I'm impressed. Stacey could take a beating.

[Dolores Catania]

She has taken a beating all season long. Something tells me she's not gonna come back. She does. She probably does not want to come back.

[Tamara Judge]

She's coming back.

[Dolores Catania]

I. I don't think she'd want to.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she has no friends.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what I'm saying. Why would you want to come back like this? I mean, it's her first season. If it was like her fifth season. And she knows like dynamics change and friendships change.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll tell you who shouldn't come back.

[Dolores Catania]

Angel.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, guys. So can I ask you, because I was watching TV all day yesterday because I just took off. Took the day off with myself. And was it this episode when the girls. Or was it last episode? They're, like, melting together. When the girls walked in and into her house and she had a little thing for them and they had the oxygen downstairs. That was last episode, right?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, that was last episode.

[Tamara Judge]

How come we never spoke about those? Men didn't get up and greet the women? We did. Oh, we did. Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, we did.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I watched it again. I watched it. You watched it again? And it made me mad.

[Dolores Catania]

See, when you watch more than one episode, you get confused, on which. What happened on the episode? I was getting confused.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So. But they were like.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, no, it was weird. I didn't like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Everything was awkward for angel everywhere. I mean, the only excuse I can. I can think of why, while men are friends of hers wouldn't get up and. And greet women is because it was

[Dolores Catania]

actually two weeks ago.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, well, that's how much TV I'm a little. Oh, my God, I have cabin fever. Angel must tell people that they weren't nice to her. Like, I'm sorry. I know this is so irrelevant to this whole thing. Sorry, I got off that. But they were nasty.

[Dolores Catania]

They've been nasty all season.

[Tamara Judge]

No, the guys were nasty to the girl.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were just not interested. They're just like, whatever. They were just rude. So then Jazzy tells the group about her and Stacy's disagreement. Stacy's like, I'm over this. Grabs her suitcase, takes off where she thinks she's going. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

First of all, why is Ashley getting up and chasing her? Ashley's her biggest enemy on the show. She goes after her for everything. And then all of a sudden, like, Giselle and the overreaction.

[Dolores Catania]

Whoa. What is going on here? How many times did Wendy say she had Chanel on? And I'm like, I'm looking at you. You're wearing aloe.

[Tamara Judge]

Her shoes, her sneakers.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm drenched in Chanel. Because you have a bag and shoes. Like, I can't. I have a hard time with people that point out their. It's very classless.

[Tamara Judge]

And then why is Wendy chasing her down when Wendy's the reason this all? Like, she not only did Wendy hand her her ass in the car, but then got to the table and got everybody else to chime in on this.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, but then she acts like she wants to be her friend. But did you notice when they hug, Wendy was just, like, just patting her on the back.

[Tamara Judge]

But you Know, it's funny because when we're. Since we're talking on the finale, I'm going to go have a little flashback like we do, because I never understood why Stacey turned on Wendy and had Tia over to meet Timu instead of Wendy. Remember that? Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know either because Wendy was

[Tamara Judge]

going to bat for her. Wendy was. When everybody was turning on Stacy, Wendy was going to bat for her.

[Dolores Catania]

So Stacy confuses me. Period. Confuses me. Half the stuff she says isn't true. And now after getting her ass handed to her, she jumped on the bandwagon to go after Angel. I just. I can't figure her out yet. I mean, I met her, she was nice to me, seems sweet. But on the show, I'm confused with her.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm very confused because not one conversation ever, ever adds up. I know.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm hoping we get some answers at the reunion about.

[Tamara Judge]

We need some answers. I'd like to go over right now what answers we need because there's a lot of loose ends here this, this season. You think I still want to know who talked to Chris. I want answers. I want receipts.

[Dolores Catania]

I want Chris at the reunion.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Chris should be at the reunion. I'll tell you this. Monique didn't like it.

[Dolores Catania]

She didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

She didn't like it. She's like, oh, really?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, get this. Stacy said on Watch what Happens Live that Karen was least excited to see Wendy.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Wendy, Wendy, Karen. Well, remember when she left?

[Dolores Catania]

Did they get into it when she left?

[Tamara Judge]

No. Wendy was shocked because Karen left a message to everyone except for Wendy.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot.

[Tamara Judge]

And Wendy was like, that's very surprising to me. Something happened that we don't know about. But you know what Karen will tell us.

[Dolores Catania]

I think Karen can help Wendy out at this point. She can give her some pointers.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Jesus.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So they have some end credits. I'll read one, you read the next one. So Stacy's is. Stacy and Timo are still going strong, but have no plans to remarry as the ink on the sealed divorce papers is too fresh.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think they got divorced.

[Dolores Catania]

And it says if they did.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, then now. So Giselle. After a two year battle, Giselle lost the fight over her father's will. But it is sad, and it's so sad when parents die and then people fight over money. Yeah, happens all the time. But. But one loss did not overshadow a big win. Giselle's daughter angel became a member of the AKA sorority, which is.

[Dolores Catania]

That's great.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so wonderful when you work so hard and get your kids to where they want to be and see them thriving and happy.

[Dolores Catania]

Now, Wendy. Three months after the Colorado trip, Wendy and Eddie were arrested for fraud. They are facing felony charges if convicted, up to 15 years in prison.

[Tamara Judge]

That's crazy. But can I ask you something? Because Paul had asked while she was filming this. I love to watch what Paul. Because I liked, you know, the whole guy thing. He asked, did she know while she was filming that she was going to get arrested?

[Dolores Catania]

And I. I've never been arrested, so I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

So Paul said, that's like a year in the making. That's not like three months or four months.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. They had been investigating it, so I'm sure there had to have been something. There's a few housewives. We can ask how that works.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, it's at least a year. At least. So. So she may have been.

[Dolores Catania]

Did Theresa know something was going down before she got.

[Tamara Judge]

She was in court for a long time. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, so she was in court for. I'm just wondering if they fought it

[Tamara Judge]

for a long time.

[Dolores Catania]

But prior to that, they had to have known it was coming. She had to have known there was an investigation.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. You don't just get a letter saying, you better get a lawyer.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. So that's scary. That is scary. I noticed that Wendy was very thin at the reunion. She looked very, very thin on the pictures I saw. And I thought, oh, I wonder if it's from stress.

[Tamara Judge]

That'll do it. That will do it.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, first of all, I would never do something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

She's very thin.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I would never, ever do something like that. But the stress of not knowing what your future is when you have kids is. Could kill you.

[Tamara Judge]

Karen is ready to take Wendy's flute, I'll tell you that. But we're gonna. We're gonna find more out about that. But I'm gonna tell you. My house got broken into. I still don't have a door. I have plywood over my door. And I said nothing was taken. Because it wasn't. I'd rather think nothing was taken. Maybe they took a while. I mean, maybe they took some money on the dresser.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't care. I noticed nothing. And I told the cops when I got home. I called them and I said nothing was taken. I don't care. I'm good. Thank you. If I figure something out, if I find Something that's missing. But I'm.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, well, I think hers was deeper than that. I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Who knows? We will never play with that. You always get caught. You always get caught. It's not worth it. I don't want to go to jail. Are you watching? Mayor of Kingston. Especially over email. He's writing in the email.

[Dolores Catania]

Anything else you want to put that's just dumb.

[Tamara Judge]

Don't ever put anything in writing that you can't scream in front of city hall.

[Dolores Catania]

If that is true. And him being an attorney, I mean, anytime I text my attorney, he instantly calls me. If he can, he will never. They never put things in writing.

[Tamara Judge]

Never. Never. I don't even like to make fun of people in writing, to tell you the truth. Nowadays, nowadays, especially with housewives, girl, just know that if you send something to a housewife on your show, on another show, on another. It's in the archives. It's in the. What did we used to say Margaret had? It's in the arsenal.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Too bad there's not. There might be. I don't know. Maybe there's an app that does this, but when you text with somebody, as soon as they read it, it disappears.

[Tamara Judge]

You should pat in that.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm sure there's an app for it, but they should have an option on Apple to do that. When you talk to somebody disappears.

[Tamara Judge]

Guess what? It can't disappear quicker than the person screenshotting it.

[Dolores Catania]

True. Very true.

[Tamara Judge]

It doesn't matter. Just. How about this?

[Dolores Catania]

Don't do it. Yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not worth it. Call the person. And then. Even then, how about. We're going to take it even further. Tamara invented Snapchat.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't. I don't do Snapchat.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't have Snapchat.

[Dolores Catania]

But I know cheaters go on Snapchat. I have heard that, because I know somebody that went on Snapchat to talk to their boyfriend.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? And did they get in trouble?

[Dolores Catania]

No, they. Well, eventually they did.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I mean.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, I can't tell you who it is, but anyways, moving on. So, Ashley, you want to read Ashley's?

[Tamara Judge]

Sure. Ashley's second bloom has her second guessing, Josh. They've broken up and gotten back together several times, but she continues to. Continues to write her next chapter of life, including a children's book. Well, good luck to your children's book and good luck to poor Joshi, because I think he's gonna get ramroded. And you are not. Just let the guy go. Uncle Lump told you to leave him alone, right? Let the guy have so beautiful.

[Dolores Catania]

She can get any guy she wants.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but I'm saying like. Like when he. She broke his little heart at the arcade. I was dying for him.

[Dolores Catania]

You know the arcade.

[Tamara Judge]

Cut him loose, Ashley. Cut the man loose.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh my God, that' so funny.

[Tamara Judge]

You know. You know, Ashley, what you're gonna do to him in the end?

[Dolores Catania]

Just leave, right? And then there's Kieran.

[Tamara Judge]

Have mercy, girl.

[Dolores Catania]

Have mercy in his poor.

[Tamara Judge]

That's fuego. That's firewater on that thing. You cannot. He cannot say no, right?

[Dolores Catania]

Kay and Greg are better than ever. But she is still prioritizing her med spa business over marriage. The picture frame remains the only bling from the jewelry store in her possession.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, that was a shit ass thing to do.

[Dolores Catania]

That was such a ass thing to do is get a girl. Something like. It's not even funny. It's mean.

[Tamara Judge]

It wasn't funny.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I wouldn't say take your damn picture frame and shove it up your ass.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay? Don't waste your pretty. You're not young forever.

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

And this guy is stringing you along. So I'm, you know, you. You want a family, you want children, you really got to think about it. So. Yeah, I don't know. She likes the things he gives. She likes the life he gives her. But that's all super.

[Dolores Catania]

It's not gonna last forever.

[Tamara Judge]

It's an illusion.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't understand girls.

[Tamara Judge]

You want to go. When you break up and you go scrap that shit, you don't get nothing for it. But you can't get back your youth. And you're wasting it on him.

[Dolores Catania]

I agree.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So Tia and her sister are continuing to build their relationship. What isn't continuing is house parties thrown by Tia's kids. At least that she's aware of. My children. Let me think if they've ever heard them.

[Dolores Catania]

Mine have not. They know I would hurt them. But my kids have. I've. None of my kids have been party kids.

[Tamara Judge]

Mine neither.

[Dolores Catania]

I had the house or anything.

[Tamara Judge]

Everybody came over, but they. Yeah, they don't. They don't have parties out. Yeah, they would be in a lot of trouble because it was a responsibility to me. I had too much to lose. I owned my home. Worked my ass off for it. One kid, God forbid, gets hurt drinking sick.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, I don't have any kid if they did.

[Tamara Judge]

And if you. If you showed up at my house smelling like weed, you go right back out the door.

[Dolores Catania]

Angel. Angel and Bobby are still living in Colorado, but said they had purchased a $2 million home in Potomac. 2 million? Wasn't she throwing out some 5, 6, 7 million dollars back then? I can't remember. But Tia was not their agent.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I thought they were friends. Maybe she was working with someone before then that, that one that turned on her.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

The one that shit all over her.

[Dolores Catania]

So two months later they, Karen gets in the car and leaves prison. They have visual of the prison gate, the outside of the prison walking out for the first. I know the season finale, which I thought I was watching the season finale until this happened. That season finale is an actual sit down between Karen and Andy. And did we know that he had

[Tamara Judge]

a sit down with her?

[Dolores Catania]

I knew that he had a sit down with her, but I thought it was going to be like a special maybe, I don't know, or maybe it was going to be played at the reunion. But no, we see that she's actually at part of the reunion and this is going to be the season finale. But this is a very unique situation.

[Tamara Judge]

It is a very unique situation. This didn't happen with Jen Shaw.

[Dolores Catania]

Clearly Jen Shaw, he's already, he's been vocal that Jen Shaw is never coming back.

[Tamara Judge]

So. So there were two things in the small clip that I cannot wait till it airs next week. I'm dying. There were two things he said. One, he asked her, how do you feel? And I want to hear her answer to that. And then he also asked her, are you an alcoholic?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I know. So last night on Watch what Happens Live, Andy asked Stacy, how did you feel about my sit down with Karen? And she said, you asked all the right questions. There's questions that she didn't ask her when she talked to her and that it was very good. It was very raw, very good. We don't know. We didn't get to hear Karen's answers, but we did get to hear a couple of the questions that Andy asked her at her own home.

[Tamara Judge]

He. Well, I know that Andy had also said on Watch what Happens Live that he asked Wendy some very hard questions at the reunion. So listen.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I heard that cameras picked up for Wendy and Eddie's arrest. So I'm assuming we're going to also see that.

[Tamara Judge]

So, I mean, there's.

[Dolores Catania]

This reunion is going to be crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

This reunion better than the whole season is going to be better than the whole season. It's going to make up for everything. It's going to make up for this trip. And yeah, I'm like, it's pretty, pretty heavy stuff going on here. May maybe A lot didn't happen during the season. Listen, the season gave us some ups and downs, for sure. Yeah. But the ups are making up for what the downs were. So, you know, there are some that comes to mind. There are some things that I really like. There were some things I didn't like. I didn't like. The trip, of course, was a whole big mess, but there was a lot of heavy conversations, so a lot of fighting.

[Dolores Catania]

One thing that was a little bit different is they had their international trip first and their domestic trip second. Normally, the domestic trip is like the little trip somewhere within the states sometimes. We had one in Napa, same state. So do you like them ending on a domestic trip versus the big international trip?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, geez. I wouldn't know because they really never sent us internationally except for, like, three times one time in my 10 years to the Jersey Shore.

[Dolores Catania]

Into the stick.

[Tamara Judge]

The Jersey Shore is our international trip, so we usually have some great finale parties. And the finale party at my house was amazing. Remember?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

There was, like, fighting and drooling and craziness and drinking and drunk, and it was carnage at my finale party. So I like ending on a finale party. I don't love ending on a trip.

[Dolores Catania]

So as a cast member, I like ending on a trip because your trip's done, you're over. Goodbye. You're done filming. You're exhausted. But as a viewer, I like to see the. The cast trip and then come home and do a big finale party.

[Tamara Judge]

Here's the thing. Finale parties in the end are very hard because typically there are groups of people that aren't talking. So how do you make a party make sense to have everybody there just

[Dolores Catania]

have a big old blowup, everybody going.

[Tamara Judge]

You have Switzerland. Dolores, Catania.

[Dolores Catania]

You're not Switzerland anymore. You're going to go back and blow shit up. I have a feeling.

[Tamara Judge]

Mm, mm, mm. Girl.

[Dolores Catania]

All right.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you rubbed off on me, Tammy.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. I cannot wait for next week. I'm almost. You know what? There's only one thing that I'm more excited for.

[Tamara Judge]

What's that?

[Dolores Catania]

Traitors. Next week. This week, actually. I'm so excited for this week's of Traitors. Ellen said it was one of the best episodes ever. Or they go to the banquet.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, the banquet alone. His outfit. I know. I can't.

[Dolores Catania]

We have two very, very exciting things going on.

[Tamara Judge]

He's gonna touch the brooch. I know. Ooh, ooh.

[Dolores Catania]

Tune in to excited. All right, guys, thank you so much for tuning into another episode of two T's in a podcast.

[Tamara Judge]

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